WEBVTT - How Bounty Hunters Work 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.800 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:07.480 It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you should know 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:16.279 from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:20.720 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant. Yes, indeed, 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:23.239 I'm here. I did not skip bail. No, you didn't, Chuck, 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:28.800 And if you had, something would have happened to you. Yeah, 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:31.760 maybe a bounty hunter would have come after you. Part two, Josh, 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:34.280 our first ever. Well, I'm not true, but this is 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:36.640 a two part sweet Yeah, it's definitely not our first ever. 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.520 Thank you Steve reader, Steve who sent in the suggestion. Yeah, 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:43.880 and again, it was an MPR three part series on 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:46.239 bail in the United States that kind of kicked this 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.760 thing off. It's like I said, it's worth reading. Go 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:51.680 to MPR dot org and you can check it out. 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:54.520 I think you'd probably just type bail in their handy 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:58.800 search bar. Yeah. Um, but yeah. We we asked the 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:01.560 question at the end of the last podcast that came 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:05.480 out on Tuesday. Here it is Thursday. The question was 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:11.039 what happens when you skip bail? And, as we've just established, 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:15.960 you get a bounty hunter sicked on your Yes, in 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:18.399 many cases that is exactly what will happen, is a 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:22.480 bondsman will hire what they like to be referred to 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:25.600 as a bail enforcement agent. But of course we like 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:27.640 to call them bounty hunters because it's just a cooler name. 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:29.360 It is a way cooler name, and it's a name 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:33.920 that goes back, um several centuries, right at least one 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:37.399 or two. Well, sure, are you talking about the Old West? Yeah, 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:40.840 they had when the whole thing started was when um, 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:44.600 I believe in eighteen seventy three a Supreme Court case 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:50.280 Kramer versus Kramer, now Taylor versus Tainter, Taylor versus Tainter. 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.360 This case gave bounty hunters authority to act as agents 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.280 for bail bondsman and then starting then, and even if 0:01:57.280 --> 0:01:59.400 it wasn't a bail bondsman, that would be the wanted 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:02.640 poster in the Old West, like bringing back dead or alive. 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:05.880 Of course, that's just a bounty on someone's head, right, 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:07.800 because he brings me back dead, that's not gonna do 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:11.720 much good in court. It's dead is easier transporting. Yeah, 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:13.760 But that's the way it started. And I believe what 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:17.639 was Jesse James was worth five grand at his peak. Yeah, 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:22.799 did you go onto the currency converter? Yeah, I would 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:27.079 have thought more. Uh yeah, but the bill was different then, 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.760 like now, he would probably be like ten million. Oh sure, 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:34.720 Actually he's worth about a hundred million and adrennine dollars. Yeah. Yeah. 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:38.359 We're basing that on an article by Stephanie Watson who 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:42.520 talked to a very legendary um bounty hunter by the 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:44.560 name of Bob Burton. Right. Yeah, you saw the picture 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:46.280 of him, right, I didn't. He looks like a total 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:50.080 bad dude, carrying the shotgun and the cowboy hat. He Uh. 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:52.160 He has awesome quotes and I just wish we had 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:54.480 Sam Elliott in the studio to read them. That would 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:58.040 be pretty cool. Yeah. Bob Burton, Uh. And I believe 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:03.360 two thousand seven, yes, two thousand seven made uh twenty 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:07.240 thousand arrests. Yeah, he and his his agents and he's 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:11.119 personally made many, many thousand over the last twenty five 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.920 years that he's been in business. Yeah. He's director of 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:16.880 the National Enforcement Agency. Yeah. I guess that's just the 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.120 name of his company, right. Yeah, So we'll be leaning 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:23.120 on him a little bit for some pointers about bounty hunting, right, Yeah, 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.240 can we go ahead and issue the first quote? Yeah, 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.240 God if she had Sam Elliott. As bounty hunters were 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:32.680 driving around bad neighborhoods, talking to stupid people, drinking cold 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:36.040 coffee and looking for bad guys, and they talk about 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.280 the glory of it all. For every buck we make 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:42.640 arresting someone, we make a thousand and adrennal dollars. So 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:44.640 he's talking about just the rush of it all. Sure, 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:47.119 you run up on a bad guy and you've got 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:49.600 your gun in his mouth and you're saying like, try something, 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:54.800 try something, and you're pumping buddy. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.080 So Jesse James would be worth about a hundred million 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.600 and adrenale or of that is what the bounty hunter 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.920 would earn. Right, Sure is the cat out of the bag. 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:05.200 I'm not supposed to announce. No, yeah, I know that's good. 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:09.360 Um yeah yeah. They usually get I think ten of 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.320 the total amount of bail, right, yeah, so they will 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:15.880 get this from the bail bondsman. So the bail bondsman 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.840 obviously doesn't have to pay or not pay the huge amount. 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.840 Well yeah, let's recap real quick. When you go to jail, 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.960 if you contract the services of a bail bondsman. The 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:27.279 bail you pay them a ten percent premium, and the 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:30.520 bail bondsman tells the court I got this guy. Technically, 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:33.039 this person is in my custody and I will see 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:35.680 to it that he or she makes it to the 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:39.400 court appearance, right. Uh. And in the meantime, you're out free. 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:43.320 And if you skip, then that means supposedly that the 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:47.080 bail bondsman is on the hook for you, uh to 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.679 pay your entire bail. So that you gave the bail 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:54.080 bondsman a ten percent premium, say it was five thousand dollars, 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.840 they're on the hook to pay the fifty dollars. Right. 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:00.920 If they are in a count only or a state 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:04.000 where they're not um, where they don't have the local 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:08.320 um court system and the local commissioners in their back pocket, 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.640 then they might actually have to pay that bail, And 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:14.599 so they send a bounty hunter after you. Okay, So 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.920 the bounty hunter works for the bail bondsman. Rarely are 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:22.839 they one and the same. Yeah, two different professions. Chuck. 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:25.760 You said, um, back in the wild West that there 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:29.360 used to be wanted posters that say dead or alive. Right, Um, 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:34.400 it's pretty infrequent these days. Yeah, the dead part, yeah, 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.640 because you want to obviously collect your money, and you cannot, 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:41.119 as a bounty hunter bring in a dead suspect because 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:43.240 that doesn't know one any good, You don't get any payment, 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.479 and you cannot even uh do the old rough them up? No, 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:51.360 because you can bring a roughed up fugitive to the 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.080 jail all day long and they're gonna say we're not 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:58.680 taking them because the fugitive could say, oh, actually it 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:00.880 was the county that did this to me, because they 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.440 have deeper pockets than the bill or the bounty hunter 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:05.560 who did right. So yeah, so you the idea is 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:09.800 to bring them in as gently as possible without excessive force. 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:12.760 And I think they said only three to four percent 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:16.680 of the suspects even put up a fight, and usually 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:19.520 that's just I'll try to run or I'll swarm around. 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.560 It's not truly like some big violent confrontation. That was 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:26.000 a Bob Burton's estimate. Okay, yeah, but I imagine that's 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:30.200 probably pretty pretty uh exemplary of the rest of the field, 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.400 right Yeah. And he also Bob pointed out that an 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:37.159 experience bounty hunter can make fifty eight and probably up 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:39.640 to a hundred grand a year, provided they don't have 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:41.760 like a TV show or a book deal, which we'll 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:43.960 get to in a moment as well. We said in 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:47.719 the last podcast that when you sign a bail bond contract, 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:51.000 you are signing a document that is unlike any other 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:53.960 you're going to ever sign for the rest of your life. Yeah. 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:57.640 I didn't know that you were waving some serious, serious 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:03.120 constitutional rights. For one, you are giving um, the bounty 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:08.400 hunter more jurisdiction over capturing you than any police agency. Yeah. 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.360 You're basically giving them permission to come after you and 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.400 use almost any kind of means necessary to come and 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:18.920 get you. Right, you're waiving any right to extraditions within 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:23.520 the United States. Um, and uh, you're also saying that, 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:25.840 you know what, you don't have to read me my 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:29.240 Miranda rights. Yeah. And if you know where I live, 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:31.880 you can come into my house to try to arrest 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:34.240 me as long as you're sure that it's my house. 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:36.920 Let's talk about that. This is amazing that bail I'm sorry, 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:40.720 bounty hunters actually have way way more leeway than cops do. 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.360 They don't have to have warrants. They can just bust 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:45.680 into your house. They can go through your mail, go 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:49.559 through your trash. Obviously they can tip off, go behind 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:52.440 the scenes and do some more unscrupulous things. As long 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:54.360 as no one knows about it, then it's all well 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.120 and good. Yeah. Burton mentioned that he'll he'll tip anywhere 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:00.360 from fifty to bucks for like a motel clark or 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.720 bartender or a bouncer to give him a call if 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:07.440 you show up. And what do they need to do this, Josh, 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:11.240 very very little, not very much. No, it depends. Um, 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:15.080 it depends on the state. And uh, in Kentucky, Illinois, 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:17.760 and Oregon, you're not gonna find any bounty hunters. You're 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:21.120 not gonna find any bail bonding companies either. Um. But 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.480 like we said that, you're you waive your right to 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:29.200 extradition or right against extradition within the United States. Um. 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:32.440 So these these states are aware that people do come 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:37.240 to their states to flee as fugitives because and a 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:40.040 bounty hunter is going to come into their state after him. 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:44.079 Now say like Kentucky, Um, you can make an arrest 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.520 as a bounty hunter in Kentucky, but you have to 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.880 go to their court system first and say I need 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:53.880 a warrant. Yeah, this is actually a pretty uh. I 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:55.800 think it would be the ultimate deal for the bounty hunter, 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:59.079 as if you're suspect goes to Kentucky because basically you go, 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.040 you get a court order and then the judge will 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:05.240 have a police officer do the dirty work and yeah 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:08.000 that's an Illinois and arrest the person and then you 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:10.559 can have them remanded to your custody, so you get 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:13.080 the award, right, so you don't even have to capture them. No, 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.120 you don't, but I imagine it's probably. Um, if you're 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:19.240 a bounty hunter, you probably hate working with the cops, 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.760 you think, because it slows things down, derecratic and you're 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:25.520 not used to playing by the same rules that they are. Yeah, 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.120 so I imagine it probably is a fly in the 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.959 ointment when you have to go get somebody in Illinois 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.839 or something like that. Can they do anything Josh they 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:37.120 want to? Are they completely above the law? No, definitely not. 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.600 There's um what one sterling example of what you can't do, 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:45.600 um is cross international lines in pursuit of a fugitive. 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.280 One place you don't want to go is Mexico. Yes, 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:54.920 that is Dog the uh alleged racist bounty hunter who 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.240 has a TV show on an E And I call 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:00.880 him that because he was famously spouted a bunch of nasty, 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.800 racist things. Did you hear that recording? Yeah, he seems 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:08.280 like a big jerk to be honest, allegedly, but yeah, 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:12.680 he actually um caught a very famous criminal in Mexico. 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:17.000 Yeah it was um Andrew Luster, who was the Max 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.520 factor air back into three. You remember that. It was 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:20.959 a big deal. Oh yeah, and he got in big 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.000 trouble for it. He first he recoups some of his 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:26.160 share of the million bucks, and then Mexico said, wait 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:28.439 a minute, it's illegal here. You are under arrest, sir, 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.079 but we'll let you out on bail. Well they, yeah, 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:33.920 they they they did let him out on bail. And 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.480 the entire job is to bring people back who skip 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.600 out on bail, and he skipped out on bail. So 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.439 Mexico wanted to extradite this guy. But by that time 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:46.800 he'd already made a name for himself. He's a famous 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.880 TV star, So condo Liza Rice writes a letter on 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:54.400 his behalf to Mexico saying, just drop extradition in Mexico 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.640 is like, no, I'm gonna I'd like to vouch for 0:10:56.800 --> 0:11:00.160 dog yeah, if that's what the letter said. Yeah, I'm 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:04.920 sure Mexico said, no, we're not gonna extradite and uh, 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:08.040 they court said send him to us. He's yet they've 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:10.520 been sent to him. But well they dropped the charges. 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:12.360 Oh they did, Yeah, a couple of years ago. They 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.199 dropped the charges. So he's off. He's off, Scott free, 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.520 and he's doing his thing. His TV show was can't 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:21.079 suspended for a little while because of the racist remarks 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:24.480 in this whole Mexico thing. But it's going strong again 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:29.040 because the American public is they'll forgive you if you 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:31.720 will bust Downdoors on TV for them. Yeah, who wrote 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:35.880 this actually this is uh Stephanie Watson. Stephanie Watson wrote 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:39.320 about Dog the bounty Hunter his mulleted militia. I thought 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:42.880 that was really good. Um. The other thing, Josh I 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.240 thought was interesting that they cannot do, and this seems 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.880 like a pretty big loophole, is they cannot enter the 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.560 home of a friend or family member to catch you know, 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:52.160 so it seems like you should just hide out with 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:54.640 a friend or family It's becoming quite clear that if 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:58.880 you or I ever jump bail, jump bond, right, sure, 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:03.080 we should go stay at the house of a friend 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:06.559 or family member in Kentucky. Okay, Yeah, I actually do 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:08.800 know people in Kentucky. Okay, I need their address. I 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:12.840 could go stay with Stacy Horn's parents. They chuck, but 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:14.640 they can't come and get me. Who cares. They can 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:16.880 sit outside the house in the moment you come out, buddy, 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:20.880 I'd just I'd be a shut in. Okay, the Chuck's 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:24.520 got it all worth out do alright, chuck. Um. But yeah, 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:28.520 they just about everything else they can do. I can't 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:32.040 rough you up, can't go into Mexico, although they can 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.160 they do, and they can't go into the houses of 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.920 friends or family members. What are they doing, like, they're 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:42.040 using everything else at their disposal, right, Yeah, they're doing 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:45.119 stuff that probably a good detective might do. They're accessing 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.440 your files and your records, phone records, maybe credit card receipts, 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:50.920 asking around on the street, trying to find out where 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:52.840 you like to hang out and shoot pool that kind 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.560 of thing. Yeah, and then you stake it out like 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.240 cop would you know? Yeah, um, some of them use 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:03.600 like spy gadgets like pinhole cameras that kind of thing. Yeah, 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.360 and then but yeah, it seems like a stackout is 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:09.960 probably one of the um bigger parts of the job 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:13.199 of a bounty hunter. Yes, several hours, several days, I 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.640 would imagine hours if you're really, really lucky. Yeah, and 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:20.600 then you make the arrest, right Josh. But that's not 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:24.120 the most important thing they have to their advantages it, no, 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:28.360 Stephanie points out. It is what the element of surprise. Yeah, yeah, 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:32.360 I like this. Um, you can you're not a police officer, 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:37.800 so you can totally trick anybody anyway. You can dress 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.480 up as a meter reader to get into that house 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:44.960 of your friend or family member, right, yeah, and all 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:46.360 of a sudden they open the door. You say, you're 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:49.160 a ups guy, and then no, Miranda, no nothing, They 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:50.720 just bust in there and put you down the ground. 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:54.640 That's pretty hanky. It is a little hanky, but it 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:56.800 is a real job. It's bona fid And you're saying, 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:58.480 you guys can do this to me when you sign 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:01.440 your bailbond contracts. Well, exact, that's the key, Josha. They 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:06.480 carry guns. Oh yeah, they carry guns. Depending on the state, 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:08.360 you may have to license it with the state. In 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:14.600 Georgia where we live, you have to be you have 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:18.880 to um, have a gun license, no check. You have 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:22.080 to work for only one bail bondsman. This is kind 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:25.360 of a big deal. There are freelance bounty hunters who 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:30.560 will work for anybody, non Bushido code bounty hunters, right, um, 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:32.640 And a lot of states say no, no, no, you 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:34.800 you can't do that. You can be a bounty hunter, 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:38.120 but you have to work for an express bail bondsman 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:39.680 and they have to have you on their books, and 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:41.240 it can only be him, and if you show up 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.800 in someone else's books, you're in huge trouble. Right, So 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:47.000 you're still a freelancer. Technically you're not on their on 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:51.480 their staff in some independent contractor, but you exclusively work 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:53.040 with that person, right. I think you can go either 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:56.600 way legally speaking. I don't know practically speaking, but legally speaking, 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:58.520 you could either be on their staff or you could 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:01.680 be an independent contractor. But once you're contracted with one 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:06.240 bail bondsman or bail bonding company, yeah, that's it got you, 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.680 you know? Okay? But there are states that allow freelancers. 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:13.040 Which ones are those? Do? You know? I think it's 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:18.720 more most states allow it rather than fewer states. I know, Florida, 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:24.400 North Carolina and South Carolina. UM have rules about freelancing. Well, 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:26.000 that's all we care about because we're likely to get 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.920 arrested in here in the Southeast, okay, but not by 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.480 a freelancer. I got another quote from Mr Burton, Josh, 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.520 you ready, let's hear it's very difficult for a wife 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.440 to say to her husband when he's walking out the 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.760 door at midnight with a shotgun, have a nice day 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.480 at the office. Yeah, so he said. The worry factor, 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:44.360 it's still even though it's usually non violent, it's you know, 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.400 you're going out on your own without the protection of 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:49.160 a police officer as well. That's a little scary. And 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:52.560 there was one other trick that um that Burton points out, 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:58.240 and it's called finding out the judas. Yeah. Remember we 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:02.480 said that in the bail bonding episode that in most 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.680 cases the bail bond company takes something in collateral from 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.400 say your parents, say the title of your parents house. 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:12.000 Let's say you skip bail anyway, your parents are probably 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:14.800 gonna be fairly pissed at you for doing that. And 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:17.120 now all of a sudden they may say, you know what, 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.720 I want him back here because I want to keep 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:23.040 my house. So Burton figures out who you've wronged by 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:27.080 jumping bail, or possibly who you wronged in the first 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:30.160 place to get arrested, like a drug deal or something 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:33.200 like that. Uh, and then he'll go he'll find that 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:36.320 person and get the information of where you are, where 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.360 you like to shoot pool as you put it, all right, 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:41.640 that's the Judas obviously named from the Bible. I was 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.760 about to say Bible character, but I guess Judas is 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:48.000 a real person sold out Jesus. That's probably not a 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:50.680 real popular name. Baby name would you think? I don't 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:55.960 like Judas? Right? Yeah, it's in Lucifer and Chuck. Lastly, 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.920 how do you get to be a bounty hunter? Well? 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:02.440 Even or not? Dude, there are schools who are starting 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:06.399 to have programs and bounty hunters and degrees. I'm not 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:09.520 sure what schools, oh, I can guess, but they're out there. 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:12.639 And is it like evening and weekend schools that kind 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.480 of thing, probably or maybe online schools, which I have 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:20.480 to say are gaining more and more accreditation and credibility. Yeah. 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:21.919 Before we leave, though, I wanted to point out one 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.000 of the cool little tricks I saw is they'll they'll 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.600 rig certain things ahead of time to make it harder 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:28.600 for you to escape, Like if they know they're going 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:30.000 to go to your house, they'll go to your car 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:33.640 first and like jam something in the keyhole, like paper. Yeah, 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:36.000 so if they if they get away out the back door, 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:37.480 all of a sudden, they're at their car fumbling with 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:39.960 their keys and you walk up with your taser and 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:42.359 put them down on the ground. Or if you just 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:45.160 run and put your your gun in their mouth. Yeah, 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:46.800 you can do that too, and you can be a female. 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:49.560 We keep saying him a lot. Yeah, he pointed out that, um, 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:52.800 you know, it's a judgment call in the use of force. 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.360 He said, if you're coming up to a twenty five 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:59.000 year old girl who uh was wanted for cuding checks, 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.960 he's gonna say, look, just come with us. We don't 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.480 want to handcuff you. That's probably how it usually goes down. Sure, 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:08.359 not like in the movies. Have you ever seen a 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:12.240 good Bounty Hunter movie? Dead Man? Yeah? Dead Man is 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.439 a good When we talked about that, what about my 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:18.480 favorite Josh was besides Midnight Run on the comedy end, 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:22.160 was The Hunter. Steve McQueen's final picture. I never saw that. 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:24.359 It's a good one. I don't know they've ever seen 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:28.359 a Steve McQueen movie. Yeah, you've never seen Bullet. No, 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:31.000 you've never seen The Great Escape. I think I have 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.800 seen most of the Great Escape. Isn't Dustin Hoffmann. There 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:37.280 were some really thick coke pile glasses. That's Pepion. Okay, well, 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:40.320 then i've seen Pepion. Steve McQueen was in that though. Okay, 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:43.320 so I have seen a Steve McQueen movie. Yeah, check 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:45.400 out The Hunter. It's his last movie in nineteen eighty. 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:49.280 I always confused The Great Escape with Hogan's heroes. Similar 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:54.080 is that it isnt hunt we are. That was our 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:58.840 two part sweet again. Check out the MPR expose. I 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:00.879 guess you could call it um ale binding in the 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:04.680 United States. It's it's pretty eye opening. Um. You're always 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:06.800 going to want to keep at least a hundred and 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:11.040 fifty dollars in your sock just in case, you know. Um. 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:13.479 And you can also find out more about bail and 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:16.720 bounty hunting by typing those words into the search part 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:19.919 how stuff works dot Com, which leads us, of course, 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:24.560 Chuck to listener mail. Not yet, sir. Now, first we 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:27.760 are going to issue what I believe is our first 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:32.440 ever official apology. That can't be right to people. Well, 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:34.679 we apologize over the place all the time, but this 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:40.160 is official because we uh inadvertently offended Jehovah's witnesses and 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:44.680 the listener mail segment from last week where the kid 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:48.320 wrote in about his uncle who gave the blood transfusion 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.600 to the Jehovah's witness even though they refused at first. 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:54.959 The Portuguese doctor in Brazil. Yes, and uh, we just 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:57.680 it was this week, it was tuesday, was it okay? Well, 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:01.520 we just want to apologize officially, uh to them, because 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:03.720 we had quite a few Jehovah's witnesses right in and 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:07.160 it came across as us saying that, you know, they 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:08.840 were just willing to let their kid die and they 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:11.520 were callous and this non Jehovah's witness saved the day 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:14.400 and blah blah blah, And that is not what we 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:15.959 were thinking at the time. It is. It was just 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:20.959 like a nice hero letter in my mind. So sorry, guys, 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:22.640 we didn't know we had so many of you out 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:25.960 there listening to us, and uh you Also they also 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:29.359 pointed out bloodless surgery would be a good topic and 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:31.120 it's a very viable thing. So we're gonna look into 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:34.800 that too, so you feel better, I do, okay, So 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:37.560 I guess that's it, right, right, And now it's time 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:42.960 for listening. Now, Yes, Josh, this is from I'm gonna 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:45.800 call this Canadian email and we will say that this 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:50.320 is from James K in Calgary, Alberta, which is in Canada. 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:56.200 We've been chided for saying Calgary, Canada. That's like saying Atlanta, 0:20:56.400 --> 0:21:00.119 United States. So that's in Alberta. And he is a 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:05.159 big devoted listener and basically has mainline them since the 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:08.359 end of September. Like so many people do. They'll discover 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:10.560 the podcast and listen like a hundred and fifty of them, 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:13.600 and then they hate us, and uh not the case 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:16.040 with James. He says, I've listened to every podcast you 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:18.640 have to offer, and there are no more left, no more. 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:21.399 I'm a drowning man, a wash and a sea of 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:24.120 confusion and lethargy. I must now live day to day 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:26.600 and knowing that you will not cannot be there beside me. 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:29.240 I've worked my addiction up to the point of frenzy 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:31.720 and then gone cold turkey in an instant and it hurts. 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:35.360 It hurts more than you'll ever know, so please please 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:38.199 give me more the Habit might be destructive, It might 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:41.120 be pulling me down away from everything I formally held 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:44.240