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Speaker 1: by as is customary on Tuesday. Good to have you in.

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Speaker 1: So we have officially entered the silly season. We're about

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Speaker 1: a month out from the NFL Draft, and one of

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Speaker 1: the more popular personalities at the Other Place came out

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Speaker 1: yesterday and a lot of the media just you can

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Speaker 1: just reel them right in.

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Speaker 2: Ty Simpson.

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Speaker 1: Is better than Fernando Mendoza.

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Speaker 2: He should be going number one to the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: The boy all right.

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Speaker 1: Ty Simpson had fifteen college starts, and the more film

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinators got on him, the worse he got. Fernando

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Speaker 1: Mendoza had thirty five college starts. And the more film

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Speaker 1: people got on him, the better he got. So we're

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Speaker 1: one month away, there's been no football since the end

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Speaker 1: of the season. It's time to nitpick the number one pick.

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Speaker 1: At no time during the season, late in the season,

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Speaker 1: when they were both playing good teams, nobody thought Ty

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Speaker 1: Simpson is better than Fernando Mendoza. What we thought is

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Speaker 1: what the hell happened to this guy? He was pretty

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Speaker 1: good early. If you go to their last six starts

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Speaker 1: between the two teams, completed almost seventy five percent of

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Speaker 1: his throws, and that includes that Ohio State defense, that

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Speaker 1: Miami defense. Ty Simpson's last six games with Klin de

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Speaker 1: Boor an excellent offensive coach, with the elite wide receivers,

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Speaker 1: he barely completed sixty percent of his throw sevent TD's

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Speaker 1: four picks. So I don't even think Mendoza is a

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Speaker 1: hard evaluation. Think combine Matt Ryan if he was bigger, stronger,

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Speaker 1: much more accurate than Daniel Jones. Think of Andrew Luck

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Speaker 1: difficult to comp I think there are quarterbacks coming out

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Speaker 1: of college did are really difficult evaluations. Dak Prescott, there's

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Speaker 1: a reason he went in the fourth round. His mechanics

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, even his college coach at North Carolina State

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Speaker 1: huge offensive line.

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Speaker 3: You're like, hey, you run around a lot loud.

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Speaker 1: Off this really works well. He ended up being really

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Speaker 1: got some help. Those were hard quarterback evaluations, really hard.

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Speaker 4: doesn't have the physical trade. The other part is the

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Speaker 4: fifteen starts, man, it is, It's real. We've talked about

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Speaker 4: I put him at thirteen in this mock draft as

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Speaker 4: of right now, I don't think that that's gonna happen,

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Speaker 4: but wait for it. Like too many I've been doing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he'll go in the first round. You know,

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Speaker 1: is ready to play, Okay, Well, I mean I can

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Speaker 1: go back on vacation. If you want Laker fans, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I laughed. You were awful defensively, you couldn't beat any

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Speaker 1: good teams. I leave and you go five and zero

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Speaker 1: against good teams and your defense you look like the

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Speaker 1: bad boy Pistons. I come back on vacation and a

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Speaker 1: G leaguer Danas Jenkins had a career high thirty on

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Speaker 1: couldn't stop him. So what does it mean they lose

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Speaker 2: Not that much?

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Speaker 1: But what does the eight game regular season late season

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Speaker 2: Mean nine games? Uh, not that much.

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Speaker 1: And that's the truth. Somewhere in between. It doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: winning streaks. Milwaukee had an eight game winning streak end

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Speaker 1: of last year, bounced first round. Lakers had an eight

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Speaker 1: an NBA season, all of them. You're gonna have five

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Speaker 1: teams kind of know their seeds, they know what they are,

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's one of those things.

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Speaker 1: So you've got you've got tanking, The good teams are

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Speaker 1: So you got to be very careful. Bucks and Lakers

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Speaker 1: I will say this though, that Detroit gave you a

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Speaker 1: on what gives the Lake trouble. Pistons the last two

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Speaker 1: the Pistons are physical and play ugly basketball and the

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Speaker 1: Lakers are pretty. The Lakers play a beautiful half court.

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Speaker 1: The Lakers and Pistons, i could argue, are the opposites.

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Speaker 1: The Lakers are brilliant in the half court offense, aesthetically

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Speaker 1: Detroit's the opposite. Outside of Kate Cunningham, and he didn't

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Speaker 1: play last night. They're tough and rugged and physical, and

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Speaker 1: they're a nightmare in the half court.

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Speaker 2: They're bad.

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Speaker 1: They can't shoot. Last night they shot forty three percent

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Speaker 1: the opposite. If you asked God, what could the Pistons

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Speaker 1: really need, you'd say a little bit more like the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: And if yes, what could the Lakers use? It'd be

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Speaker 1: a little bit more of the Pistons. But they gave

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Speaker 1: him a brute blueprint on how to beat the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: Why what did they do last night? They hunted down

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Speaker 1: Luca Piston players and I'm not talking great offensive players.

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Speaker 1: Pistons players shot sixty percent if Luca guarded them, and Jenkins,

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Speaker 1: the g leaguer shot one hundred percent when Luca guarded

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Speaker 1: of a blueprint. We've said losing to the Pistons doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean much. The nine game winning streak doesn't really mean

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Speaker 1: that much. Late regular season NBA winning streaks. The Spurs

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Speaker 2: That is great.

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Speaker 1: That is a great basketball team that this morning, I

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Speaker 1: would take San Antonio to win the finals. That's a

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Speaker 1: great team. Twenty two to twenty four. That was like

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Speaker 1: the heatles. Yeah here too, It's like, okay, just we're

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Speaker 1: blowing people out. That's not what a seven or eight

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Speaker 1: That's not so losing didn't mean much last night, the

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Speaker 1: nine gamer.

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Speaker 2: Take a deep breath. Here's JJ reddicaff.

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Speaker 6: I believe that we're a good basketball team. I thought

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Speaker 6: we could be a good basketball team the entire season.

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Speaker 6: We saw flashes of it, we saw short stretches of it.

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Speaker 6: But we're a good basketball team, and I think we

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Speaker 6: can have to continue to to play together and all

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Speaker 6: that stuff. It is remarkable to me, and I'm not

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Speaker 6: an excuse, but our winning streak is also coincided with.

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Speaker 2: Us being healthy. We need to finish the.

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Speaker 6: Season strong, but we also need to finish the season healthy.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and you know, Lebron's older, and Austin Reeves feels

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Speaker 1: like he's been banged up, and Marcus Smart.

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Speaker 2: Didn't play, and Ruey didn't play.

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Speaker 1: Last night, but either in Kid Cunningham and the Lakers

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Speaker 1: could not stop a G leaguer.

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Speaker 2: So take a deep breath.

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Speaker 1: You know, some teams are just built more ruggedly, just

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Speaker 1: like some people can move to Chicago and it doesn't

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Speaker 1: bother them. Other people have to live near a warm beach.

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Speaker 1: So my take is everything's going to be okay. But

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Speaker 1: what the Pistons do is not what the Lakers like

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Speaker 1: to face four to zero against them. They just ugly

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Speaker 1: up the game. They push you around, they hang on you.

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Speaker 1: Detroit is inartistic. But by the way, also the Knicks

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Speaker 1: are a very pretty offensive team with Jalen Brunson and

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Speaker 1: Kat The Pistons have had success this year against the Knicks,

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Speaker 1: another team that can play a little bit of finesse basketball.

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Speaker 1: So Detroit gives you a little bit of blueprint of

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Speaker 1: the ugly it up that the Lakers don't like that

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Speaker 1: style of basketball. That's why when the Heatles were great

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Speaker 1: and the Warriors were great, they could play ugly basketball too.

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Speaker 1: When you had Draymond Green and Andre Iguidala, the Warriors

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Speaker 1: were beautiful, but they can get ugly really fast. That's

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Speaker 1: the Michael Jordan's Bulls Pippin beautiful offensively, but Phil Jackson

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Speaker 1: and ugly too. Those are the truly great teams. The

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Speaker 1: Lakers have a style they have to play. The Pistons

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Speaker 1: have a style they have to play. That's why neither

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Speaker 1: one's gonna win the championship. But they're both very good

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Speaker 1: at what they do, really good.

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Speaker 1: I've said with the NFL, don't nitpick Fernando Mendoza. There

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Speaker 1: are no red flags Fernando Mendoza size, arm, competitiveness, gratitude, humility, commitment,

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Speaker 5: That was his love. And people shied off Anthony Edwards

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Speaker 5: Edwards like going to be the face of the NBA, like,

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Speaker 2: Chill a little bit of time out aunt Edwards.

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Speaker 1: Nobody questioned his durability, is athletic ability his town, there

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Speaker 5: Saying the right things at the time to the draft.

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Speaker 5: Get to the draft.

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Speaker 2: Eighteen nineteen year old kids don't always say that. I agree.

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Speaker 1: And Edwards didn't have major red flags, no major That

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he had some problem. He had some cramping issues

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Speaker 1: Think there's I think there are I think durability issues.

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Speaker 5: So how far do you think he falls? Like I

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Speaker 1: I would agree a cuff is unbelievable, explode exploded. Now

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Speaker 5: Well, he kind of brought They were down seven and

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying I just gave you NFL college number

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Speaker 1: Ryan Rossillo basically had talked to a GM's like I'm

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Speaker 1: an insane talent, but personality off putting durability major red flag,

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Speaker 1: and they bear themselves out.

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Speaker 2: Here's Brusard on Darren Peterson.

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Speaker 10: Peterson's obviously got a bright future, but the red flags

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Speaker 10: are glaring. Colin like just missing so many games for

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Speaker 10: bizarre or hidden reasons. I hesitate to overreact to one

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Speaker 10: tournament game.

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Speaker 2: But he'll be a.

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Speaker 10: Top five pig without question, and he should. But there

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Speaker 10: are some other guys that I don't have the same

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Speaker 10: reservations about.

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Speaker 2: He did not have a single assist against Saint John's.

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Speaker 5: That is a that's a he doesn't doesn't. He doesn't

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Speaker 5: play those others.

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Speaker 2: He he plays for himself. Yeah, and you know there's.

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Speaker 1: All I'm telling you, man, This, This eighth Cuff kid

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Speaker 1: is special.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 7: and noon easternn a EM Pacific.

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Speaker 1: Here we go, Hour two, Nick right in a few minutes.

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Speaker 1: We're live in Chicago. It's the herd warming up here.

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Speaker 1: May wear a tank top on the show tomorrow. It's

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Speaker 1: so nice.

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Speaker 2: Ol. A couple of days you see the flowers start blooming,

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Speaker 2: so beautiful. The Friday night is going to be great.

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Speaker 1: Dan Hurley and Yukon faced Tom Izzo and Michigan State.

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Speaker 2: And I'm one of these.

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Speaker 1: If you want to play for Dan Hurley or if

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Speaker 1: you want to play for Tom Izzo, you have to

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Speaker 1: adapt to their style. Their job is to not make

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Speaker 1: you comfortable. These guys bark. So there's Rick Patino and

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Speaker 1: John Calipari and coach k did.

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Speaker 2: Now, not every coach has to bark.

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Speaker 1: Hurley really gets after officials, and Patino can really get

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Speaker 1: after players, and so Canizzo. But my take is, I

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Speaker 1: know that Hurley and Izzo and Patino's teams are going

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Speaker 1: to be excellent. I don't know if you, as a

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Speaker 1: player are going to be excellent. You need to adapt

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Speaker 1: to them. They work. Izzo's made the tournament twenty eight

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Speaker 1: straight years. His style works your game. There's no guarantee

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Speaker 1: it works. You adapt to them. The media, especially the

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Speaker 1: print media, has always been uncomfortable with like volume. But

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Speaker 1: they call it a thirty second time out. There's no

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Speaker 1: time for paragraphs in diplomacy and news. You the arena

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Speaker 1: is loud. This is not the NBA where you get

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Speaker 1: seven game playoff series. It's sudden death basketball. I gotta

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Speaker 1: make a point quickly, move on. And it can be

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Speaker 1: one bad call by an official or one defensive mistake

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Speaker 1: by you as a college player. The season's over. In

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Speaker 1: the NBA, it's different. You know, you see Andy Reid

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Speaker 1: barket at players. One bad snap, you lose the game.

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Speaker 1: You start getting a multi you know, three five, seven

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Speaker 1: game series until you get to like a game six

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Speaker 1: or seven.

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Speaker 2: How much is urgent?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: So when I look at it.

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Speaker 1: And all these coaches that bark, you also find the

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Speaker 1: players love them. Players love is though, and love coach

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Speaker 1: K and Calipari totally loyal to these guys. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying Jay Wright didn't do it that way, Mark Feud

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Speaker 1: doesn't do it that way. I'm comfortable Hurley yells at

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Speaker 1: officials more than players. Coach K yelled at both. But

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Speaker 1: my take is, guys, it's march. We got eight minutes left.

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Speaker 1: One bad defensive possession, you know, one bad defensive stand.

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Speaker 2: Season's over, So I.

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Speaker 1: Don't think there's a lot of time for diplomacy in

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Speaker 1: March and basketball. So I don't have a problem with it.

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Speaker 1: I talked to Tom Izzo. I said, with a transfer

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Speaker 1: portal now players can leave at any time.

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Speaker 2: Has it changed the way you coach.

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Speaker 9: I'm at the point in my career where I don't

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Speaker 9: need to worry about it. But you know, I've had

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Speaker 9: the privilege of being, you know, around guys like Magic

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Speaker 9: Johnson or you know, watching the NBA. I've had some

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Speaker 9: chances to go there, and I think they all think

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Speaker 9: the same thing. You know, the great players want to

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Speaker 9: be coached. Everybody's got to be pushed. I mean, everybody

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Speaker 9: pushes people. That's the way it should be. That's the

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Speaker 9: way it needs to be if you're really going to

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Speaker 9: be successful. If it was easy, as they say, everybody.

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Speaker 2: Would do it.

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Speaker 1: I would argue the three best coaches in college basketball

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Speaker 1: now our Patino, Izzo, Hurley Calipari, they all bark, they're

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Speaker 1: all loud. I'm okay with it, and I always said this.

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning Wood bark during a game, Andy Reid and

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Speaker 1: Mahomes bark at each other during games. Tom Brady, Josh McDaniels.

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Speaker 1: Nuance is for the film room, nuance is for practice

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Speaker 1: in game. I'm okay with intensity and volume. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's there's a line between intensity and insanity, and the

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Speaker 1: late Bobby Night crossed that about four times a season.

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Speaker 1: That's different. And with that, first things first, I gotta

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Speaker 1: get to this. I don't know if Nick's gonna like this.

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Speaker 1: Nick right is now joining us lave so I said,

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Speaker 1: I use the the six foot six two and ninety

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Speaker 1: pound bouncer to nightclub doesn't get it to a lot

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Speaker 1: of fights because nobody challenges him. If I was a bouncer, Jmack,

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Speaker 1: you get into people with challenges, And I said, there is.

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Speaker 11: Kind to be I mean J Mack's always showing off

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Speaker 11: the guns. You're like six two, like I don't. I

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Speaker 11: mean me, I think people would be intimidated by both

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Speaker 11: you fellas.

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Speaker 1: But go ahead your point taking. My point is with Wemby,

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Speaker 1: stats do not tell the story. He literally changes the geometry.

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Speaker 1: He leaves the NBA by forty blocks, has missed multiple games.

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Speaker 1: Literally teams don't attack them, and so Luca is so

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Speaker 1: bad defensively. I know it's an offensively Wemby.

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Speaker 3: Is so do you know it's an offensive league? Do you?

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Speaker 3: Because you're telling me about so?

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Speaker 11: I mean, is it though, isn't an offensive league?

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Speaker 3: And is it an offensive award?

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Speaker 11: And are we changing the rules because everyone loves Wimby

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Speaker 11: and nobody likes Luca?

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Speaker 3: Just tell me, because.

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Speaker 1: You can't be the worst defensive star in the league

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Speaker 1: and win MVP when the greatest historical defensive player is

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Speaker 1: also B plus plus on offense.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so hold on.

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Speaker 3: So here's my problem.

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Speaker 11: I agree that the stats don't tell the story fully.

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Speaker 3: On Wimby's defense.

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Speaker 11: Wimby is the best defensive player in the league and

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Speaker 11: one of already the highest defensive ceilings ever, maybe in

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Speaker 11: route to being the best defensive player ever. That is

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Speaker 11: all objectively true. I do think for Wimby the stats

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Speaker 11: do tell the story on his offense.

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Speaker 3: He's not Steph.

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Speaker 11: Curry in twenty fifteen, where his gravity.

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Speaker 3: Is getting people open.

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Speaker 11: He's twenty four points three assists a night on offense.

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Speaker 11: He is a good but not yet great offensive player.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he.

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Speaker 11: Is yet one of the ten best offensive players in

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Speaker 11: the sport.

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Speaker 3: Now one can argue.

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Speaker 11: Being the twelfth best offensive player and far and away

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Speaker 11: the best defensive player, makes you the best player in

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Speaker 11: the sport. Like that is a legitimate argument. What is

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Speaker 11: not a legitimate argument is that MVP has always equally

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Speaker 11: weighed offensive defense. Well, defense is half the game, guys, Colin.

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Speaker 11: At the end of the year, we vote on the

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Speaker 11: All NBA team, the fifteen best players, and then as

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Speaker 11: a sidebar, the All defense team. You know what, there's

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Speaker 11: not the All offense team. You know why, because they're like, yeah,

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Speaker 11: that's the All NBA team. We have MVP, and we

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Speaker 11: have Defensive Player of the Year. You know, we don't

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Speaker 11: have Offensive Player of the Year. You know why, because

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Speaker 11: that's the MVP. That's what we can't all of a

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Speaker 11: sudden say Luca who creates fifty five points a game

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Speaker 11: via points and assists, and Wimby who creates thirty two

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Speaker 11: points per game via points and assists, that that's a wash.

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Speaker 11: When it comes to the MVP race, When Steve Nash

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Speaker 11: has two, Dirk has won, steph has two, Joker has three,

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Speaker 11: James Harden has one, Russ has won, the MVP has

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Speaker 11: never been fifty percent offense fifty percent defense.

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Speaker 3: And I know you were out of town.

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Speaker 11: Luckily when Luca was lighting the league on fire. But

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Speaker 11: at some point you're gonna have to come to terms

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Speaker 11: with your Luca take is just what's the word wrong?

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Speaker 2: This is wrong?

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Speaker 3: Is a great, great, great, great great player.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not disputing that. Let me say this.

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Speaker 1: I said this last hour, that be very careful of

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Speaker 1: late season NBA winning streak because nine teams are tanking

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Speaker 1: and we kind of know the seeds.

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Speaker 2: People know who can.

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Speaker 1: So by the way, last year, Bucks went on an

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Speaker 1: eight gamer late in the season, bounce first round. Lakers

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Speaker 1: went an eight gamer late in the season, knocked off

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Speaker 1: their shoes first Minnesota, is that late season NBA winning

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Speaker 1: streaks be careful because ultimately it's the only pro league

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Speaker 1: of all of our pro leagues that's literally officiated differently

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Is that what Detroit did last night?

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Speaker 1: Detroit hasn't lost the Lakers in two years. Detroit's not

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Speaker 1: going to be able to beat the really good teams

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Speaker 1: without Kate Hunningham. But they did give a blueprint why

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Speaker 1: the Lakers will struggle teams that get physical with the Lakers,

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Speaker 1: even if they're totally limited offensively. Give La big drible

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Speaker 1: LA is pretty their finesse, they're gifted offensively, you push

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Speaker 1: them around a little.

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Speaker 3: A glie totally disagree with you.

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Speaker 1: Age disagree with in the Lakers last night, Well.

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Speaker 11: Listen, they are they they and this is a precarious

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Speaker 11: spot to be in. But they are wildly reliant on

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Speaker 11: Marcus Smart defensively and his age and his injury has street.

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Speaker 11: That is a precarious spot. But the idea that the

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Speaker 11: way you're going to beat a team led by Luka Doncic,

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Speaker 11: who is a tank, and Lebron James, who is still

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Speaker 11: one of the most physically imposing athletes in the league,

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Speaker 11: is by pushing them around. I just flatly disagree with you.

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Speaker 11: I do agree all winning streaks are not created equal.

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Speaker 11: But when there are four teams in the West fighting

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Speaker 11: for the three seed and Houston's one of them, and

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Speaker 11: you won back to back games in their building, Denver's

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Speaker 11: one of them, you beat them on the winning streak.

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Speaker 3: You beat the.

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Speaker 11: Knicks, they played high quality opponents and beat them the Lakers.

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Speaker 3: This year, colin have the.

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Speaker 11: Best record in the league when leading entering the fourth

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Speaker 11: they are undefeated. This is courtesy shout out Brian Windors

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Speaker 11: came up with this stat. Thirty times this year they

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Speaker 11: have had a big lead up fourteen or more. They're

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Speaker 11: thirty and oh so they haven't blown a big lead

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Speaker 11: all year. They have the best record in clutch situation

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Speaker 11: and the best record in one score games, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 11: in single digit games games decided by between one and nine.

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Speaker 11: That is a recipe of a real contender. Now, do

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Speaker 11: I have them on the same level as Okasee?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 11: Have the Spurs been better, clearly, but the Spurs starting

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Speaker 11: lineup has Victor win Minyema Yama zero playoff games, Castle

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Speaker 11: zero playoff games, Dylan Harper zero playoff games, de Aaron

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Speaker 11: Fox seven and then their one vet Dearon Fox has

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Speaker 11: seventy one. The Lakers starting five, every single one of

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Speaker 11: the guys has been to what the NBA finals except

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Speaker 11: for Austin Reeves. Marcus Smart's been in the finals eight

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Speaker 11: AND's been to the finals, Luca's been to the finals.

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Speaker 11: Lebron's played three hundred games. They're in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: There is a.

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Speaker 11: Path for the Lakers to upsetting everyone's beloved, precocious San

653
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 11: Antonio Spurs, and then we'll see what happens. I know

654
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 11: everyone wants to give the title to okayc. We're on

655
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 11: six years in a row, Colin of the defending champion

656
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 11: looking unbeatable and the defending champion not even making the

657
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 11: conference finals. Six champs in a row have lost in

658
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 11: round one or round two. The Lakers are live. They're

659
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 11: not my pick. I think Boston's gonna win it, and

660
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 11: I think okay See is the best team. But the Lakers,

661
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 11: much to your and Charles Berkley's chagrin, are live.

662
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 3: And you're just got.

663
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: You just got accept it. You have to accept it, Okay,

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Speaker 2: all right.

665
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Speaker 1: So I defended the Travis Kelcey contract yesterday because you

666
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: can't trust Rashi Rice maturity worthy.

667
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: He's a gadget guy.

668
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: Mikole Hardman, if he's still around, forget it.

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00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: So he's gone, Yeah, okay, So the.

670
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: Reality is Reid Mahomes Travis Kelcey. There's a lot of trust,

671
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: and I do think he's very good situationally. I'm over

672
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: that he's not a ninety catch guy in twelve touchdowns,

673
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: but he's good on third he's good in the red zone.

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Speaker 1: He's good situationally.

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00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 2: There's a uh.

676
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: Connective tissue between Mahomes, he had connective tissue. But you

677
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: gotta let's be honest here. Like the Warriors, it is

678
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: hard to let go of dynasties and the feeling. And

679
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: he makes Mahomes comfortable. I don't know if he makes

680
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: them an elite team in a division with the Chargers roster.

681
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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 11: Yeah, the terrifying Chargers, the Chargers who last won a

683
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 11: playoff game with Philip Rivers. I got to bout the

684
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 11: altar of your silly Chargers, who every year either missed

685
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 11: the playoffs in embarrassing fashion or make the playoffs and

686
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 11: lose an even more embarrassing fashion. I don't want to

687
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 11: hear about the Chargers.

688
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 3: Now.

689
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 11: The Broncos, they were the one seed, they won fourteen

690
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 11: game games. Bo Nicks played his ass off in that

691
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 11: playoff game against Josh Allen. They got unlucky, broke his ankle,

692
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 11: and I liked the Jalen willin Wattle edition. I didn't

693
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 11: believe in the Broncos last year.

694
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 2: Give him respect.

695
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 11: They actually earned it, unlike your Chargers, which are born

696
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 11: on third.

697
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 3: Base, think they hit a triple like you hate.

698
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 11: Everything about the Chargers is not something you would like.

699
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 11: For some reason, the Southern California air is infatuated with them.

700
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 3: For a decade.

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00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 11: Now, to the Chiefs who listened, last year was a

702
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 11: down year and now they've only been to five of

703
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 11: the last eight Super Bowls instead of five of the

704
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 11: last seven.

705
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 3: The way, it was.

706
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 11: The Kelsey deal. And this is not your guy's fault.

707
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 11: This is honestly NFL reportage fault. Three years, fifty four

708
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 11: million is not the deal. This is a one year,

709
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 11: twelve million dollar deal. After next season, the fifth day

710
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 11: of the league year, he has owed a forty million

711
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 11: dollar check. You know what, I don't think he's gonna

712
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 11: get that check. It's just called this so his agents

713
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 11: can be like, we got him eighteen million a year

714
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 11: and the Chiefs can spread the money out. Is Travis Kelcey,

715
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 11: even in a down year last year, in the year before,

716
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 11: by any metric, was a top five tight end at

717
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 11: twelve million bucks, he is obviously worth it.

718
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 3: Yes he makes Patrick more comfortable.

719
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 11: Yes he is still a legitimate third down and red

720
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 11: zone threat. And yes the Chiefs need to do a

721
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 11: lot of work to make sure last year was a blip.

722
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 3: Rather than a trend.

723
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Speaker 11: I know a lot of folks have been praying on

724
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 11: the downfall of the Chiefs, including your beloved co host,

725
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 11: who four years in a row have said they're cooked,

726
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 11: and finally he was right once and now he's taken

727
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 11: a victory life for six months. But hey, they won

728
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 11: six games. Such is life. Chiefs fans got to eat it.

729
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 11: But Vegas gives them the fourth best chance to win

730
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 11: the Super Bowl and favors them to win the division.

731
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 11: There's a reason for that. Patrick should be back at

732
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 11: the beginning of the year. They finally have a running game,

733
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Speaker 11: They have the ninth.

734
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Speaker 3: Pick of the draft. I think the.

735
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Speaker 11: Kelsey coming back is a bonus, and the downfall of

736
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 11: the Chiefs has been a little over exaggerated by some

737
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 11: in my opinion.

738
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Speaker 1: So I want to circle back. I want to end

739
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: it with Lebron. So Lebron hears everything you know he does.

740
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: You know, it's the phone generation. Any criticism you know

741
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: Lebron about a week ago during the winning streak is like, oh, yeah,

742
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: I heard the Lakers are better without me.

743
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know he was.

744
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 11: Talking to you. Did you apologize, I know you have him.

745
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 11: Did you reach out to Maverick and say, tell Lebron,

746
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 11: I'm sorry.

747
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,439
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have said it.

748
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Speaker 2: Let's wait to the playoffs.

749
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Speaker 1: I do think there's a reality in the postseason that

750
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Speaker 1: if you have Luca and Austin reeves that Lebron last

751
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: night didn't score in the first half, there are situations

752
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: for you know, at this point in his career, he's

753
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: not as consistent, and I do think in the playoffs,

754
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: Luca's going to get hunted, Austin's going to get hunted.

755
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: That's what Detroit did last night with Luca and Lebron

756
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: in his prime could protect him more. It's not who

757
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: he is. You are the GM of the Lakers. You

758
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: can build him a statue.

759
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: What do you do? What do you knowing?

760
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: Knowing right now that defensively, Luca is what he is

761
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: and Austin is completely limited. The roster outside of Marcus

762
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 1: smart is it's actually in dire need of youth three

763
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 1: and D catch and shoot. What do you do with Lebron?

764
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 11: Listen, I don't think it's going to be up to

765
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Speaker 11: the GM.

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Speaker 3: I think it's going to be up to Lebron.

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Speaker 11: I think Lebron's I believe this is his last year

768
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 11: with the Lakers. Now, if they were to make the finals,

769
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Speaker 11: which I'm not picking them to I think they can.

770
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 11: If they were to win the championship, obviously, then you

771
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 11: probably just like, screw.

772
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 3: It, run it back.

773
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Speaker 11: I don't think either of those is the likely outcome.

774
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 11: And I think Lebron I have believed he's going to

775
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 11: go to Cleveland. The James Harden thing might really throw

776
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 11: a wrench in that New York has always been attractive

777
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 11: to him, and a lot of folks seem to believe

778
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 11: Golden State for him, and Steph one swan song at

779
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 11: the end that it could be there. I don't think

780
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 11: he'll be on the Lakers next year. But Lebron was

781
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 11: absolutely unequivocally correct in getting mad at you and your

782
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 11: ILK for implying their worse with him.

783
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 3: Is it a clumsy fit? Sure?

784
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 11: Is the fact that Luca modeled his game after Lebron

785
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 11: James and now he is on a team with Lebron James.

786
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 11: Does that make them a little redundant? Obviously? Is it

787
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 11: utterly remarkable to see Lebron in year twenty three, a

788
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 11: year off being sixth in MVP voting totally change his

789
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 11: role in a way no other all time great perimeter

790
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 11: player ever has where he's like Okay, I will go

791
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 11: to third option. I will be Swiss army knife Lebron.

792
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 11: I will expend more of my energy cutting to the

793
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 11: basket and defending because Luke and Austin need the ball. Yeah,

794
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 11: it's remarkable, But when you're the smartest player ever, the

795
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 11: best leader ever, and one of the best connectors ever,

796
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 11: you make things work.

797
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 3: As best as you can.

798
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 11: So yeah, I do think that there are better fits

799
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 11: for him elsewhere, and there are better players that could

800
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 11: be playing that role for the Lakers. But the idea that,

801
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 11: you know what would be good for the Lakers if

802
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 11: Lebron pulled his hamstring and missed the playoffs and then

803
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 11: they have to worry about it, that's always been ridiculous.

804
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 11: Of Course, they're better with him than without him, and

805
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 11: they're showing it by being the best team in the

806
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 11: West for a month, which is what they've been with

807
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 11: respect to OKAC.

808
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I hope they can get past the Pacers.

809
00:43:59,600 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 2: That's on.

810
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 11: That's a I mean yeah, I mean they're gonna about

811
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 11: to win three straight again. The Pacers nets Wizards. By

812
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 11: the way, bonus take Luca one more tech. He gets

813
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 11: a suspension at the tail end of tonight's blowout against

814
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 11: the Pacer or tomorrow's blowout. He should intentionally get a

815
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 11: tech so he misses one of these tankers and then

816
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 11: he can reset the clock. They're gonna be the three seed.

817
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 11: They're gonna get Houston in round one when they're up

818
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 11: three to one. You're gonna lead your show killing Kevin Durant.

819
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 11: We're gonna get ready for Lebron wimby round two.

820
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 3: I can't wait. I missed you. I haven't talked to

821
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 3: you in a while.

822
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: It's great to see you, buddy as always. Yeah, you

823
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: first things first after our show.

824
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, the.

825
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Speaker 1: You know, I know it's an offensive league, but it

826
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 1: is hard to give the MVP to somebody who the

827
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: Pistons g Leakers were hunting last night. It's like, you know,

828
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: it's it's it's kind of a whole defensively, but hey,

829
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe I'm a little favorable to the Chargers,

830
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: but you know, the Harball Herbert thing, it's hard to

831
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Speaker 1: argue about it.

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Speaker 2: Live in Chicago. It's the hurd