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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Now Welcome back George Noori with Jason McLoud. And Jason

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Speaker 2: is only one of a small handful of investigators who

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Speaker 2: began his career working directly for with the late legendary

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Speaker 2: Ed and Lorraine Warren. As we've been talking, Jason, did

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Speaker 2: that event that after the car accident occur, we're able

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Speaker 2: to get back to it or did Lorraine cancel it?

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Speaker 3: Oh? No, We went on because we promised the family

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Speaker 3: that we would help them, and it was just an

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Speaker 3: incredible situation. In fact, I had since the last time

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Speaker 3: I was on the show. I actually found the audio

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Speaker 3: for this case and it's been turned into a really

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Speaker 3: amazing video. But I'm writing the full length novel version

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Speaker 3: of this case now. But it was amazing because it

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Speaker 3: was my first really overpowering psychic experience which turned out

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Speaker 3: to be empathic.

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Speaker 2: Your website is called a Dark Siege by the way,

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Speaker 2: right you know this.

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Speaker 3: Is Dark Siege of Connecticut. Family's nightmare happened three years

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Speaker 3: after and it's the most that is the most terrifying, fascinating,

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Speaker 3: mind bending case of my career that I recreated in

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Speaker 3: a cinematic horror format and included a detailed chapter by

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Speaker 3: chapter analysis at the end the final one other pages

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Speaker 3: explaining how I got involved with the Warrens and what

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Speaker 3: my training included, but more importantly, what the family involved

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Speaker 3: in this case did right and wrong every step of

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Speaker 3: the way, and I relay my understanding of the science

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Speaker 3: and spirituality behind the paranormal.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever been, outside of that accident hurt on

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Speaker 2: a specific investigation.

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Speaker 3: I've never been hurt or harmed in any physical way

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Speaker 3: other than burning my hand on a doorknob, and that

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Speaker 2: What caused that, Well, it was.

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Speaker 3: Inhuman diabolical spirits in the house. It had happened previously

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Speaker 3: to the father, you know, the man of the household,

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Speaker 3: and this was an attempt to prevent access through the doorway. Now,

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Speaker 3: a doorknob is a doorknob. You know, it can't generate heat,

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Speaker 3: it can't generate frost. But when you're dealing with inhuman

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Speaker 3: diabolical spirits, they can bypass the laws of physics and

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Speaker 3: they can create incredible cold or incredible heat. Another example

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Speaker 3: of that, George, is when a case that I investigated

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Speaker 3: in Idaho that I am currently writing about called Ragen

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Speaker 3: Rathtrom that the warrants sent me on while I was

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Speaker 3: in college in Washington State. A man in this house

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Speaker 3: was actually pushed physically back against a cold wood burning

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Speaker 3: there was no wood burning inside, but by touching it

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Speaker 3: with his palm, he burned his hand so badly he

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Speaker 3: had blisters oliver his hand.

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Speaker 2: My gosh, weren't they also the warrants behind that story

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Speaker 2: of Annabelle the Doll?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a client that was turned into a movie, wasn't.

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Speaker 3: It was turned into a movie. And when I first

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Speaker 3: wrote my book, well before the movies were released, I

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Speaker 3: was talking about if you'd like to learn about annabel

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Speaker 3: you can read the book The Demonologists. But not since

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Speaker 2: Tell me about what your thoughts are about ghost Jason,

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Speaker 2: What do you think they are? So?

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Speaker 3: A ghost is an earth bound human spirit or a

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Speaker 3: disembodied or discarnate field of conscious awareness who's had some

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Speaker 3: complete the proper death transition into the higher astral plane

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Speaker 3: or the higher spiritual dimensions, and this unfortunate soul is

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Speaker 3: bound to the persons or places, or circumstances or situations

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Speaker 3: associated with their former life. They're essentially stuck between dimensions.

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Speaker 3: And the worrisome aspect here, from my understanding, is that

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Speaker 3: The curtain's been drawn, but the earth bound human spirit

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Speaker 3: left and going home. Lorraine always called them earthbound human

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Speaker 3: But a ghost is a field of awareness, which is

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Speaker 2: Should we fear demons and ghosts, ghosts?

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Speaker 3: There's nothing to fear about because these are just people

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Speaker 3: These are the angels, the fallen angels. They have powers

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Speaker 3: and they can inflict incredible harm upon people mentally, spiritually, physically,

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Speaker 2: How different is a demon from a ghost.

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Speaker 3: Completely two different entities.

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Speaker 2: They are Yeah, what creates the demon?

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Speaker 3: What creates the demon? That's an interesting question. You know,

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Speaker 3: of awareness, and these beings were created with a specific

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Speaker 3: goal in mind. Now, I don't know if the story

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Speaker 3: of the transfiguration or the you know, after the Fall

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Speaker 3: the beings were transfigured or transformed into these hideous beings,

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Speaker 3: is this, and this is totally accurate, is the seething

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Speaker 2: That's the movie with Russell Crowe, right, correct, But.

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Speaker 2: Now you say that the three phases of demonic attacks,

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Speaker 3: Infestation when they gain access to a location and thereby

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Speaker 3: it's all frequency and vibration. Everything is frequency and vibration,

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Speaker 2: Is that humans still aware of what's going on to them.

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Speaker 3: No, in fact, they would have to watch a video

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Speaker 2: And that's not me, I didn't say that.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's really fascinating because their consciousness is

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Speaker 2: What does the demon want, Jason, Do they want to

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Speaker 3: succeeding in killing them, but that very rarely happens. But

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Speaker 2: Can they're they're exercised by priests? Can you get rid

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Speaker 3: I'm not an exorcist, the warrants never claimed to be exorcists,

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Speaker 2: And they're parasites, they're parasites.

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Speaker 3: that are successful. It's the faith that you have in

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Speaker 3: always through the power of God to repel and expel

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Speaker 3: a battle of wills. Who can last the longest without

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Speaker 3: will compared to the will of this preternatural being that's

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Speaker 3: never existed in human form. It's a remarkable test of faith.

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Speaker 2: Jason, what would you say The great expertise of Ed

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Speaker 3: They were able to Ed was able to understand what

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Speaker 3: the church. And Lorraine was the sensitive. She was able

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Speaker 3: just made a fantastic couple, a team. They relied on

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Speaker 3: it was an amazing thing to watch, and their love

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Speaker 3: and their bond with each other was just unshakable and

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Speaker 3: it was incredible, and it was just an amazing experience

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Speaker 2: Lorraine lived until she was ninety two, at the seventy nine.

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Speaker 2: Did you keep in touch with them prior to that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually went and visited with Lorrain in twenty

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Speaker 3: sixteen and sat with her in her kitchen and reminisced

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Speaker 3: and we discussed, you know, discussing about, you know, collaborating

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Speaker 3: you know, she was dealing with some cognitive decline, and

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Speaker 3: you know, I tried to help, Actually, I tried to

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Speaker 3: trying to prolong her presence here because she was such

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Speaker 3: an amazing presence. But Unfortunately it didn't really work out

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Speaker 3: incredible woman, and Ed was an incredible man, and you know,

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Speaker 3: they did a great service to humanity, and their genuine

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Speaker 3: desire was to help people, you know, to unravel the

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Speaker 3: secrets of the universe. Who doesn't want to do that?

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Speaker 2: Do you believe they're looking down on you right now?

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Speaker 1: I do?

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Speaker 3: And I know if I know Lorraine as well as

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Speaker 3: I know her, you know she's crossed over immediately. She's

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Speaker 3: she's you know, ended her you know, attachments to Earth,

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Speaker 3: the life, and she's over there. And I'm no more

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Speaker 3: special than anybody else that's worked with them. But I

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Speaker 3: to convey that information. And I think she's very proud

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Speaker 3: or at least I'm intending to and praising them the

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Speaker 3: and it's my experiences were my own, and you know,

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Speaker 3: other people have had negative experiences and there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of bad press about them and so forth, But from

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Speaker 3: my experience, they were genuine amazing people, and Lorraine's most

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Speaker 3: amazing trait to me was that she was always concerned

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Speaker 3: about the safety of the investigators.

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Speaker 2: They were controversial, though, weren't.

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Speaker 3: They well controversial I guess from people who don't really

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Speaker 3: understand them or know them, or who never really even

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Speaker 3: you know, got to meet them.

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Speaker 2: Or or too shots at them.

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Speaker 3: What's that at them? Sure, especially after their past. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's that's pretty, you know, uncouth as far as I'm concerned.

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