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Speaker 1: to Coast AM on iHeart Radio. Well, what do you

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Speaker 1: think of disclosure? Because you know, I keep telling Steve

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Speaker 1: Bassett it's not going to happen from government. What do

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Speaker 1: you think I agree with you about? But given the

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Speaker 1: shifts that are going on, you know, George, what's government anymore?

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Speaker 1: I mean, one of the things that at least I'm

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Speaker 1: because and I think people should pay attention to politics

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Speaker 1: if they're into the UFOs and the aliens, because this

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Speaker 1: is really a reflection to what's going on in the background,

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Speaker 1: is that there is this really deeply embedded national security state,

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Speaker 1: the deep state they're calling it, that really does manipulate information.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and and we used to a lot of

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Speaker 1: us used to poo pooh that, and now it's like, wow,

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Speaker 1: there really is this very very powerful force out there,

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Speaker 1: this group of people who are trying to push certain

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Speaker 1: things that's happening is that if if you know, if

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Speaker 1: on right in front of our faces, one of the

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Speaker 1: casualties would be this deep state. And who knows what's

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Speaker 1: going to come falling out of that? I mean, who

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Speaker 1: who knew that we would find out all this information

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Speaker 1: for thirty or forty years until the Soviet Union collapsed.

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Speaker 1: And so I think that we may act we have

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Speaker 1: some sort of off hand disclosure where we just discover

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Speaker 1: that a lot of the things that we've alleged for

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Speaker 1: there's aliens that we lied to you about it for

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Speaker 1: seventy or eighty years. Because when you're in that political position,

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Speaker 1: and you don't have anywhere to go but down. That's right,

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Speaker 1: when you introduce a destabilizing element into the body politics, right,

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Speaker 1: you have nowhere to go but down. And I just

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Speaker 1: don't see anybody on top ever saying oh gosh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put this out here and let's just see

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Speaker 1: what happens. I'm not too worried about what what it

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Speaker 1: or whatever. I'm with you, I don't see that happen.

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Speaker 1: But God bless Steve. We we need him out there

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Speaker 1: fighting for it every day. Michael, I've got Standard Friedman

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Speaker 1: You know, the seventieth year of Roswell has come and

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Speaker 1: you know their behavior was very similar to a flying wing.

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Speaker 1: interacting with certain individuals. Why, how, what the agenda is,

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Speaker 1: what the multiple different agenda is agendas are I you know,

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Speaker 1: I think it's still up in the air, and I

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