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A long 19 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 3: time listener, first time caller. 20 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: I got a. 21 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 3: Twenty fourteen Accura RDX. It's the B six with six 22 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,199 Speaker 3: speed trans It's got two thirty eight on the clock, 23 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 3: so it's not exactly a spring chicken. What I guess 24 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 3: would be described as a shift maybe a flare is 25 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 3: kind of what I've seen online between two not I 26 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 3: went called a shutter between two and three. If you 27 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 3: watch the tack at at a light load, say it's 28 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 3: had two grand, and it gets ready to shift into third, 29 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 3: it jumps up to like twenty five hundred, maybe even 30 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 3: twenty seven hundred before it actually jumps into third and 31 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 3: then drops back down, so it almost like it revs 32 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 3: up before it goes into third. Now it's kind of 33 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 3: a light load. If you're at a heavier load, it 34 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 3: won't do it, and then it's really not doing it 35 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 3: between any other gear. But I don't know if you've 36 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 3: heard much this car. It just seems like the shifting 37 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 3: has always been kind of it down shifts itself, you know, 38 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: and it's kind of got a bit of a jerkiness 39 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 3: to it. But it's kind of always been that way. 40 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 3: But this flare between two and three is something fairly new. 41 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 3: I've always done trans oil. The transil is pretty clean. 42 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 3: Change it every twenty thousand, but that only pulls about 43 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 3: four courts each each time, so just kind of running 44 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 3: into kind of a dead end here. The scan tool 45 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 3: I have doesn't show much. It's a fox well, but 46 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 3: it doesn't really get in much of the trans module. 47 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 3: What I see in the trans modules, like some of 48 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 3: the PIDs that I would see on engine like barometric 49 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 3: pressure and load and things along those lines that usually 50 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 3: see in the in the engine module. Nothing to do 51 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 3: with the shifts. I mean, this thing is like loaded 52 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 3: with relays and pressure switches. 53 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 2: Well, keep in mind, you keep keep in mind to 54 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 2: erroneous barrow readings, you know, if it thinks the barrow 55 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 2: is X and it's really why Yeah, I could see 56 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: that affecting trans operation not like that, but I just 57 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: I just want to I just want to address that. 58 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: So in my experience, the Honda six speed generally is 59 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 2: it's either fluid. You know, I can tell you you 60 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: don't have any check engine light or any fault codes 61 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 2: in the trands because it's either fluid the solenoids or 62 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 2: the trans itself. Yeah, there's there's there's no in between. 63 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: And here's part of the reasoning car's got two unre 64 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: thirty eight thousand miles on it right, right, You're you're 65 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,119 Speaker 2: already seventy eight thousand miles past where I normally soon fail, 66 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: so you're ahead of the curve. If you were to 67 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: pull the trans out of the car to take do 68 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: a tear down to inspect, do you really think if 69 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: you found part X y Z bed you would just 70 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: change that or drove overhaul the trans. 71 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 3: Well, probably overhaul the trans. I guess that's sort of 72 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 3: the question, is that how do you get a diagnosis 73 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 3: between that? I guess there's this this this solenoid module 74 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 3: which is just all by sobs like seven hundred and 75 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 3: fifty bucks, right, But how do you really get a diagnosis? 76 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 3: Like you how do you get a diagnosis to say 77 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 3: it's that part? 78 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: Well, you have to you'd have to, you know, hook 79 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 2: up a lab scope, right, something with multi trace verify power, 80 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 2: verify ground verify at the point of failure. It has 81 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: good power and ground verify the inputs to the module, 82 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: verify the outputs coming from the module or where they're 83 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: you know, it's called pin testing, is what we used 84 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 2: to do back in the old days, and verify inputs 85 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 2: and outputs. Do I really think it's that it would 86 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: be a weird failure generally generally, and it's it's pretty 87 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: good repetitiveness in a pattern failure, it's second gear solenoid, 88 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 2: third gear solenoid trans fluid trans. Okay, not much fails 89 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: outside of that. If it was a converter, it should 90 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 2: do it in all speeds, right. 91 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 3: And it doesn't. It's it doesn't do it between three 92 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 3: and four. It's just two three and not all the time. 93 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: They're either, right, So it's just however you're catching it 94 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 2: at that particular moment. If I was replacing that trans 95 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: and there's still one available and it is a seven 96 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 2: hundred dollars module, I might buy one, because if I'm 97 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: replacing the trans on the twelve year old two hundred 98 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 2: and thirty five town thirty eight thousand mile vehicle, I'm 99 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 2: planning to drive this another for twelve years. I don't 100 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 2: want I don't want to find out in three years 101 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: that I need the module for the new trends that 102 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 2: I replaced three years prior. So I'm just going to 103 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 2: look at it as a system and say I got 104 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: good service, I got good life out of it. Because 105 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: the other side of it, you can go into analysis paralysis. 106 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 2: Where's the where's the point of value for the life 107 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 2: of what you've been using the vehicle for? That comes 108 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 2: back to you. 109 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 3: So a great car, you know, yeah, right, he's got 110 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 3: two thirty eight. But man, it's clean. It's a great car. 111 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 2: Listen, you want it, mile, You want to convince yourself 112 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 2: to fix that car? Go price a new one. 113 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, no, no, I listened to you all 114 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 3: the time. It's you know, doing that now, not calling in. 115 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: I have a very dear friend. He's got a boat, right, 116 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: and it's a twin engine four point fifty four whatever 117 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: it is. And I forget the size of the boat, 118 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: a thirty footer. I'm not a boater. I will admit 119 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 2: that I'm not a boater. And you know, mechanics and 120 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 2: water don't mix and not in my world. And Chris 121 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: has a problem with one of the engines, and for 122 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 2: two years now he's been going through this trying to 123 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 2: prove what's wrong with it for a low vacuum condition. 124 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: I talked to him this week. He's got four labscopes 125 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: hooked up to it. He's looking at thirty six inputs, 126 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 2: thirty six outputs, trying to source and I said to him, 127 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 2: I said Chris, take the engine out of the boat, 128 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: put it on a dino to where you can get 129 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 2: to everything and do your testing there, because you know 130 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: it's got to come down to these three pieces. And 131 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 2: I know that sounds simple, but you know it's it's 132 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 2: a it's a thirty five year old boat with two 133 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 2: replacement engines. We've gotten our life out of it. Let's 134 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 2: do some better testing, so you know. And I come 135 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 2: back to you, Brian. I applaud what you're doing. I 136 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: really do. But it's twelve years old. It's got to 137 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: forty on it. If you take the car and any 138 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: kind of long trips, doesn't it give you peace of 139 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: mind to know that the trans is done? 140 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so. I guess that's the thing is 141 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 3: if it's just this module for seven to fifty and 142 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: they gets down the road for another fifty thousand, then 143 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 3: I think I'm in good shape. What do you think 144 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 3: of trans would cost to swap out on that? 145 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: Oh between six and eight? 146 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's yeah, that's a lot right. 147 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 2: Well, but is it a new car sixty? 148 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 4: Yeah? 149 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 3: Well we wouldn't go that direction either. 150 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 2: And I used I bet you I used three year 151 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: old RDX has got to be forty. 152 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd probably be looking at something just with lower mileage, 153 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 3: but probably even almost as old. And they're eighteen to twenty, right, 154 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 3: you know so, so I mean maybe that's that's the 155 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 3: way to go it. Just love this car. He's got 156 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 3: to power. 157 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: You know the other side of it is you know 158 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 2: what you got. You know the maintenance you've done to 159 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: that car. And I can tell by talking to you 160 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: you've changed the oil on that car like you change 161 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 2: diapers on a baby drop oil. 162 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 3: It's got all foods, got braindy tires, the brakes are great. 163 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 3: You know, it's a good good. 164 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: We live in a world where you either have car 165 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 2: payments or repair bills. 166 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 3: There there is no I take the repair because I 167 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 3: wrunch myself. 168 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: All right, there is no There is no free lunch. 169 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: And then for that matter, when you're doing the trans 170 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 2: get two axles. Put two axles in it. Take a 171 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: look at the struts, look at the control arms. Here's 172 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: a car that probably legitimately has tied rubber bushings in 173 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 2: the control arms. Let's let's put let's put this car 174 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 2: together like we were going to drive it another five 175 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: to ten years. Because if you're not going to drive 176 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 2: it another five to ten years. Take the Take the 177 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: ten grand you're about to spend on trans suspension, axles 178 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: and brakes and whatever else you may find, and put 179 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: it down towards the new car. 180 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, the lower mileage, right. 181 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 2: You know, I listen. Owning a car just gives you 182 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: the ability to throw it away one piece at a time, 183 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 2: and whether it's old or new, that's what you're going 184 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 2: to end up doing. In twenty fifteen, my beloved suburban, 185 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 2: my four suburban, the buses we call it in the shop. 186 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 2: It had fifty five thousand miles on it. I never 187 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: thought about that. It had fifty five thousand miles on it. 188 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 2: Fifty five Chevy. See, there is a god there. He's 189 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 2: got a sense of humor. And it puked the Trans. 190 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: Now this is a car that I changed it's diaper 191 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: every day of its life. It just puked the Trans. 192 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 2: I could have gone out and bought a new bus, 193 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 2: but I said, now you know what, I know what 194 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: I've got. I'd rather stay with this. And when I 195 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 2: pulled the trans, I did fuel system lines, I did 196 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: brake lines, I did all the fluids. I did trans 197 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: cooler lines. The trans cooler lines led into the bottom 198 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: of the then eleven year old radiator. I put a 199 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 2: radiator in it. I just kept going. I did a 200 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 2: water pump. I overhould the cooling system, ignition all the 201 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 2: heater hoses. I'm still driving it in twenty sixteen. It 202 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: just turned one hundred and two thousand miles. Now where's 203 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: you know, where's the cost per mile? What did it 204 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,599 Speaker 2: cost me? You know? And I know it's sat on 205 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 2: the lift that whole month of February that year. But 206 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 2: you know what a new bus is one hundred and 207 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 2: five thousand miles and they're not any better. 208 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 3: Right, So it seems to me the order operation here is, 209 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 3: let's do all new fluid. See where that takes us? 210 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 2: Yep. 211 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 3: If that doesn't seem like the other pattern failure said 212 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 3: was two three solenoid, three four solenoid. That's all in 213 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 3: one module. That's like like seven hundred bucks. Give that 214 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 3: a try. If that doesn't do it, keep the module 215 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 3: around and do a trance. 216 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 2: You could I don't and I don't think I don't 217 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 2: driving it. I don't, yeah, or you could keep driving 218 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 2: it until it breaks. Sure, uh, you know, if if 219 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,599 Speaker 2: if you're okay, if you if you're short tripping it 220 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 2: if you're within twenty mile thirty mile radies of the house. 221 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: You know, usually those solenoids will cause a fault. I 222 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: haven't seen a lot of solenoid failures where they don't 223 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 2: cause a fault. If they do, it's it's not intermition 224 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: and it's permanent. I have seen sticking solenoids cause a 225 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 2: shift problem. So perhaps you know a few trips of 226 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 2: fluid through the unit, depending upon how dirty it is. 227 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: And for that matter, I've never done this, but you 228 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 2: wonder if any of the oil engine oil laboratories would 229 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 2: do an oil analysis of transfluid. I bet they would. 230 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: I never never thought of it. How crazy do you 231 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: want to get? 232 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 3: The other thing that they have in there is that 233 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 3: when you change the module, that is apparently like these 234 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 3: six little round things with screens in them, And so 235 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 3: that's another reason to pull that module at least take 236 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 3: a look and see if those are those are dirty 237 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 3: or you know, of course anything. 238 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,599 Speaker 2: If those are dirty and there's particulate in there, you 239 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: got to ask yourself where'd the particulate come from? And 240 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 2: then that gives you. 241 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 3: A whole new So the dream plug, it shows like 242 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 3: a little bit of black you know, black crud, but 243 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 3: nothing nothing big, just really find stuff right well. 244 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: And that's that's sort of what you'd expect at that mileage. 245 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 2: But then it really kind of comes back to if 246 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: it's starting to PUW could self apart, when do you 247 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 2: want to find out? So doing oil analysis? Do a 248 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 2: couple of fluid changes, price out a new vehicle, price 249 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 2: out of used vehicle. I think from the sounds of it, 250 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: I think keeping the older vehicle probably makes more sense. 251 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 2: You know what you got. Good luck to you, Brian. 252 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: Let us know what you decide. I'm running Dy and 253 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 2: the Car Doctor. We're back right after this. Hey, let's 254 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 2: go to Robin, Delaware. 255 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 4: Rob. 256 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir. How can I help? 257 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 3: Hey? 258 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 4: Ron, thanks for taking my call. 259 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: You're welcome. What's going on? 260 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: Hey? 261 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 4: Have a two tenty eighteen f one fifty platinum three 262 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 4: point zero diesel with the ten speed transmission. 263 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Yeah, that ten speed trans is tough, brother. 264 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: What's going on with it? 265 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 4: Yeah? Every now and then third gear and six gear 266 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 4: O shift real hard and it's intermittent. I can't reproduce 267 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 4: it with the gas pedal. And I've heard that it 268 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:15,359 Speaker 4: needs to be reprogrammed. I was wondering whether. 269 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 2: There are numerous So anytime we deal with the ten 270 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 2: speed GM, Ford or GM actually and and interestingly, the 271 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: Ford and GM transmission both seem to come out have 272 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 2: come out of the same group of engineers. So it 273 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 2: makes you wonder, but how so many people dedicated to 274 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 2: doing something right could do something so wrong. You know, 275 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 2: when we deal with the ten speed Ford ten speed GM, 276 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: same thing. We look at a couple of things fluid 277 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: fluid quality. You know, Originally the gms, for example, the 278 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 2: ten speeds, they've they have found that the fluid was 279 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 2: breaking down. It was it was absorbing moisture through the 280 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: vent tube and it was causing shutter and hard shifts 281 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 2: and bangs and all sorts of funny things that the 282 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 2: trands would normally do as a results, so they've changed 283 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 2: the fluid around. Ford has the same issue. Ford has 284 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 2: similar issues, So you always want to be sure you 285 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 2: know the fluid is fresh correct and to level. That's 286 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 2: just basic, right, I mean, just we're back to basics. 287 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 2: There are numerous software calibrations, so somebody's gonna have to 288 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 2: plug into the trans module. Look at software calibration level. 289 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 2: Look at pcm calibration level and verify are they both current? 290 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 2: Are they both the newest, latest, greatest? All right? 291 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 3: Right? 292 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: There are non issues with the valve body. There are 293 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 2: more than a few of these that have been fixed, 294 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 2: pulling the valve body, replacing the valve body as an assembly. 295 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 2: Do we have a sticking do we have sticking valves 296 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 2: in the valve body itself? 297 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 4: Right? 298 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 2: And then the really bad news is then after you 299 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: exhaust all that, then you put the trans in it. 300 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 2: How many miles do how many miles around this? Let 301 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 2: me guess, don't tell me. I'm gonna say this probably 302 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 2: has between forty and sixty on it. 303 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 4: Fifty tails. 304 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 2: There you go. God, I couldn't do that better if 305 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: I try. Yeah, I tell you it. Just one of 306 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 2: the things I've learned about cars. Well, I've learned more 307 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: than one thing about cars in the past couple of years. 308 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 2: But one of the things that I just it seems 309 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 2: to come up as a repetitive constant denominator, Robbie, is 310 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: that the defects that are put into vehicles are put 311 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 2: into them across the board, by design, by computer, at 312 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 2: the engineering level, at the factory where they're made. They 313 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 2: all seem to suffer it's called pattern failure, and they 314 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: all seem to suffer the same anomaly around the same time. 315 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 2: What deviates it is maybe operating environment, operating use, amount 316 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: of maintenance, the amount of load the vehicle carries. But 317 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 2: I'm telling you these ten speed forwards, they start to 318 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 2: go cranky in the forty to sixty range and it's 319 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 2: this NonStop battle. You know, I've got more than a 320 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: few customers with it. 321 00:15:58,400 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 4: Now. 322 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 2: Ford hasn't as multiple extended campaigns, warranties recalls. The stack 323 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: of bulletins would exceed the roof of the house sometimes, 324 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: I think if you stack them up. 325 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 4: So when I checked all that, there is nothing on 326 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 4: the transmission at all. 327 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 2: On what do you mean there's nothing on this transmission? 328 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 4: Well, when I called four, they said there's no recalls. No, 329 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 4: what's it? Ps tsbs, Yeah, psb's They said, there's really nothing, 330 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 4: or you can look it up online and nothing comes 331 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 4: up on the transmission. 332 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: Okay, go look at safety recall twenty five s IS 333 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: and Sam beaz In Baker Number three came out came 334 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: out May twelfth of this year. It affects seventeen through 335 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: twenty one f one fifties, twenty to twenty one Explorers, 336 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen through twenty twenty one expeditions and so on. 337 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 2: And it's a safety recall twenty five SB three And 338 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 2: they talk about harsh shifting, bad shifting, problem shifting. Now, 339 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 2: it may not apply light to your vehicle, But have 340 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: them explain to you why if there's no recalls or 341 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 2: notices on this vehicle, how come they didn't mention that one? 342 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 3: Right? 343 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: Okay, all right now, Now it's vin specific, but believe 344 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: me when I tell you, kiddo, there's recalls and bulletins 345 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 2: out there for this transmission, known failures, common issues. And 346 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 2: I would I would start with software fluid quality and 347 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 2: then work my way backwards up the pile. And you know, 348 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 2: are you going to put a trends in this? And 349 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 2: is that going to do any good? I've got more 350 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 2: than a few customers that have been through this trends. 351 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 2: They're going through it right now. It's it's kind of 352 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 2: it's it's sad. Good luck to you. 353 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:36,959 Speaker 4: Rob. 354 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 2: Let us know what happens. I'm running ny in the car. Doctor. 355 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 2: We're back right after this. 356 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: From the city streets to the open roads. 357 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 2: And now. 358 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 3: If you're ready his help, I will keep you only around. 359 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 2: He he's the car doctor jaring guys done. Hey, open 360 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,719 Speaker 2: phone lines by the way at eighty five five five 361 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 2: six ozho nine nine zero zero eight five five five 362 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 2: six zero nine nine zero zero. Good time to get in. 363 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 2: Let's do some emails. Ron, you were talking to me 364 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 2: for about expensive parts today. But I well, I had 365 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 2: to heat up the soldering iron once or twice to 366 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 2: replace incandescent light bulbs and a circuit board. I guess 367 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 2: the manufacturers didn't think about people like us that warmed 368 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 2: up soldering irons. And then Dodge Frum Delaware Rights and 369 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 2: he said, hey, Ron, you never finished telling us the 370 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: story about the jeep. Maybe you could have just wired 371 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 2: in a replacement AC relay. You know, I could have. 372 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 2: We were talking about that twenty eighteen Jeep Grand Cherokee 373 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 2: that the air conditioning didn't work on, and there were 374 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 2: ways around it. There were what I consider Rube Goldberg's 375 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 2: there's always another way to you know, there's always a 376 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 2: better mouse trap. And I gave the customer the options. 377 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 2: The problem is there's no easy way to fit the 378 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 2: relay without it hanging out half under the hood. What 379 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 2: it hold up to weather and corrosion. Would it last? 380 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 2: Is a lasting repair and you have to worry about 381 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 2: that as a professional shop. You guys, as individuals, you 382 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 2: can kind of get away with more. You've got artistic license, 383 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 2: professional mechanics. When we're standing in front of the judge 384 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 2: and the car burnt up gee, you run or I 385 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 2: didn't know that the relay wouldn't do this, or that 386 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 2: we're held to a different standard so we're looked upon differently. 387 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 2: But I get the point, Yes, you could do that. 388 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: By the way, there's no point in trying to unsolder 389 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 2: the relay. I've cut a few of these power distribution 390 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 2: centers apart on the chryslers, and the location of that 391 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 2: relay and the shape of it is something unique to that. 392 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: And just getting a replacement relay to solder in I 393 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 2: don't think you're going to find one. I never have, 394 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 2: so it's always been changed the PDCA. This comes to 395 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 2: us from Carl Ron. I've got a two thousand and 396 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 2: one buhicle saber with a thirty eight hundred V six 397 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 2: about ninety thousand miles. I think I have a sticky lifter. 398 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 2: Would you recommend an oil additive which editive. Thanks so 399 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 2: much for the show. Carl in Appleton, Wisconsin, Appleton, Wisconsin. 400 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, Carl, I like this stuff from 401 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 2: Hotshot Secret. Hot Shot Secret Tickfix. You'll find it on 402 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 2: their website. We just used it in an older Ford 403 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 2: this week. As a matter of fact, we had a 404 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,959 Speaker 2: Ford V six, a little three liter and a tourists 405 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 2: come in that had a little bit of a tick 406 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 2: to it and it solved that problem. And what happens 407 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 2: with tick fix it's a court replacement for the oil. 408 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 2: So you're gonna leave a quart of oil out. If 409 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 2: it's a four court system, you're gonna put three quarts 410 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 2: of oil in a quart of hot Shot Secret Tickfix. 411 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 2: And what it'll do is it will scrub away at 412 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 2: the particulate and the crud and any of the varnish 413 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 2: and it comes out in the next oil change and 414 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 2: it keeps things loved up and working very nicely. Hotshot 415 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 2: Secret tick Fix, by the way, was created specifically, although 416 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 2: it works in everything. They had the Chrysler Hevy with 417 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 2: the lifter tick in mind, and also for the af 418 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 2: MGM V eights that have suffered camshaft and lifter failure 419 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 2: as a result of poor lubrication and varnish and corrosion 420 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 2: as well. So but get out to the Hotshotsecret dot com. 421 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 2: You'll find more there. And this question actually came to 422 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 2: us last week, and I didn't get to it last week. 423 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 2: In my apologies, we've had a few of you call 424 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 2: in wright and you want to know about top tier gasoline. 425 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 2: I guess everybody's looking at gasoline now with the price 426 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 2: of fuel being what it is. And you know what 427 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: makes top tier gasoline better? Well, top tier gas is 428 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 2: one of those things that has real technical merit. It does. 429 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 2: It's not about higher octaneum or more power. It's about 430 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 2: keeping the engine clean over the long haul. Now, Sitgo 431 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 2: Roger as I call him, works at one of the 432 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 2: refineries here in New Jersey, and he's a regular customer 433 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 2: and we have this conversation all the time. He keeps 434 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 2: trying to convince me that gas is gas. Matter of fact, 435 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 2: I have the official Citgo beanie that says gases gas. 436 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: I just don't believe it. You know. I still think 437 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 2: that there are better, you know, proprietary or what am 438 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 2: I trying to say, better properties of gasoline out there 439 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 2: available in the market, but Roger assures me they're not thatwithstanding, 440 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 2: top tier is a different animal unto itself. Top tier 441 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 2: top tier gasoline, it's a standard that was developed in 442 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 2: two thousand and four by a couple of auto manufacturers BMW, 443 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 2: General Motors, Honda, Toyota, and they were seeing injector and 444 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 2: intake valve deposits that created driveability problems. The fuels met 445 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 2: the EPA's and minimum detergent requirements, by these manufacturers and 446 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 2: others decided that the EPA minimum wasn't enough. I mean, 447 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 2: this is twenty two years ago. So every gallon of 448 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 2: gas sold in the United States has to contain detergent additives. 449 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 2: The difference between top tier and regular fuel is the 450 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 2: amount and quality of those editives, and that's what sets 451 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 2: them apart. Top tier gasoline contains more detergent additives than 452 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 2: the EPA minimum. They've got better chemistry, and what that 453 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 2: chemistry does is it helps prevent deposits. 454 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 4: You know. 455 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: Fuel system cleaning is still one of the most common 456 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 2: things that we do in the shop for maintenance on 457 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 2: a regular basis. There's stricter limits on specific editors that 458 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 2: can create problems with emission components like metallic editors. There's 459 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 2: consistent detergent levels required in all octane grades, including regular 460 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 2: top tier gas. You're going to get some quality of 461 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 2: top tier detergency in regular fuel as well, and that's 462 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 2: something to know because it's just a better grade of gas. Listen, 463 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 2: you can drink generic Coca Cola or you can drink coke, 464 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 2: the real thing, all right, And nothing against coke. I'm 465 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 2: just it's the best example I can think of. Or pepsi. 466 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 2: You can drink a generic soft drink or you can 467 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 2: drink pepsi. Okay, there's a difference. They're both soft drinks, 468 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 2: they're both brown, they both have bubbles. Just you know, 469 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 2: the brand name, the value brand or I'm sorry, the 470 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 2: brand name has better value to me because it actually 471 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 2: tastes better. 472 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 4: You know. 473 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 2: As carbon deposits build up in an engine, a couple 474 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,719 Speaker 2: of things happen. Fuel injectors don't spray evenly, the intake 475 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 2: valves will become coated, and once they become coated, now 476 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 2: they absorb fuel and instead of the fuel actually making 477 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 2: its way into the cylinder, that carbonax as a sponge 478 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 2: and it holds the fuel. So you'll get poor driveability. 479 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 2: Cold you'll get rough idle problems. You know, fuel economy 480 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 2: can drop. You can find in certain parts of the 481 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 2: country under certain conditions, cold starts become more difficult. It's 482 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: excessive cranking, it's excessive start attempts, and the bottom line, 483 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 2: emissions increase. Right what started all this with computers on 484 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 2: cars and emission controls and what let us down this path? 485 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 2: It's all about emissions. It comes back to in the 486 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 2: mid sixties, and I can tell you where it started. 487 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 2: It started because they noticed that traveling through Cape Cod, 488 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 2: a certain group of politicians or remain nameless, noticed that 489 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 2: the back roads of Cape Cod in the early sixties 490 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 2: were being marked by downdraft tubes off of vehicle engines. 491 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 2: Remember downdraft two is before crank case ventilation was a 492 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 2: requirement where you had to reburn the crank case fumes. 493 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: And you would always see go look at an old 494 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 2: old movies, Go look at the there's a there's an 495 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 2: oil line right down to the left of center of 496 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 2: the road, and that's from the drown draft tube on 497 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 2: the automobile. So that's where missig controls started back in 498 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 2: the sixties. That's when they really kind of got onto it. 499 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 2: On older port fuel engines, top deer fuel was found 500 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 2: that it kept and it did an excellent job of 501 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 2: keeping intake valves cleaner. And then you get into direct 502 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 2: injection and the difference is direct injection engines the fuel 503 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 2: is dumped directly into the combustion chamber, so it never 504 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 2: washes over the intake valve, which is what we're trying 505 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 2: to clean. So how do we do that? The answer 506 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 2: when the car doctor returns eight five to five five 507 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 2: six oh nine nine zero zero, I'm ron an Anian. 508 00:25:41,520 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 2: I'll be back right after this. So you guys are 509 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 2: just dying to hear about top tier fuel, I can tell. 510 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 2: So you know port fuel injected engines where the gasoline 511 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 2: goes through the injector and sprays directly onto the back 512 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 2: of the intake valves. That works, right, It helps to 513 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 2: keep the valves cleaner. You still need to do fuel 514 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 2: system cleaning, but top tier fuel gives you that advantage. 515 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 2: Now we've got top tier fuel and a port injected engine. 516 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 2: And a port injected engine, the fuel injector goes directly 517 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 2: into the cylinder, it doesn't go onto the back of 518 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 2: the intake valve. So can you do have and find 519 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 2: an advantage from top tier fuel. Top tier fuel won't 520 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 2: help the back of the intake valve. It might keep 521 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 2: carbon deposits off the top of the piston, which is 522 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 2: another story onto itself. But the fact is to keep 523 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 2: the intake valves clean on a port injected engine, you've 524 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 2: got to do fuel system cleaning. There's just no way 525 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 2: to do it. But you've got to do a fogging, 526 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 2: you know, to do a fuel system cleaning through the 527 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 2: rail that puts a detergent solution through the injector which 528 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 2: goes directly into the cylinder. That again, I'll clean the 529 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 2: top of the piston. That's where it sprays. Think of 530 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 2: the garden hose, right, If you're spraying water on the 531 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 2: side of your house and the windows closed, you're not 532 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 2: going to get any water into the room. If you 533 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 2: open the window, you're gonna get water into the room. 534 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 2: It can reach it. Where a port injector is. It 535 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 2: can't reach the intake valve. It's shut off from it. 536 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 2: So you've got to figure out a way to get 537 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 2: solution there, some sort of cleaning agent there. You're going 538 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 2: to do that by an intake fogging. An intake fogging 539 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: is basically taking an atomized chemical some sort of spray. 540 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 2: CRC makes a great kit. You'll find that they actually 541 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 2: make a CRC Fuel System GDI cleaning kit available at 542 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 2: your local Advanced Autoparts. They make that as a complete 543 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 2: service kit. And what that will do is it will 544 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 2: allow and do a fogging of the intake. It will 545 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 2: do the injectors, it will do the intake, and it 546 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: allows a chemical cleaning solution to form around the back 547 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 2: of the intake valves and help wash away the crut. Now, 548 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 2: a fuel tank added on a regular basis, a fuel 549 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 2: system cleaning on a regular base are all part of 550 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 2: regular fuel system maintenance today. And you know, just be aware. 551 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 2: Is top tier worth the extra effort? Yeah, it is 552 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 2: if you're planning to keep the vehicle for long term. 553 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 2: Top tier is really an inexpensive form of preventative maintenance. 554 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 2: Look at it this way. If you're using top tier fuel, 555 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 2: you've got a cleaner engine than you would have if 556 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 2: you didn't use top tier fuel, and therefore you'll get 557 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 2: more benefit from the fuel system cleaning, which you're doing 558 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 2: on a regular basis. Right hint, hint. Fuel is like 559 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 2: engine oil. It has to meet a minimum standard. They're 560 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 2: not all equal. Everybody's got a different additive package. Top 561 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 2: tier gas simply makes sure that there's a stronger detergent 562 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 2: package that keeps injectors and fuel systems cleaner longer. It 563 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 2: won't fix a mechanical problem. It won't turn regular into premium. 564 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 2: You know, if you're planning to keep the car for 565 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 2: the next one hundred and fifty to two one thousand miles, 566 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 2: it's one of the least expensive forms of preventative maintenance 567 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 2: you can buy. And that's a fact right now. You've 568 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 2: got to buy gasoline anyway, you might as well buy 569 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 2: better gasoline if you need regular, use regular. If you 570 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 2: want to throw a tank of premium in, like I 571 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 2: always say to you, every third or fourth tank full, 572 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 2: yeah do it. You're gonna get a higher dose of 573 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 2: detergent additive, especially if you're using a top tier fuel. 574 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 2: Not using top tier fuel, And you know, if we 575 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 2: want to start talking about how do you pick fuel, 576 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 2: not using top tier fuel, using several different brands of 577 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 2: fuel with the different additives, you know, I have found 578 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 2: to affect how vehicles operate. I tend to stay with 579 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 2: one brand of fuel. I on a consistent basis because 580 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 2: you know, that's what seems to work best for me. 581 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 2: And I will try different brands, you know, depending on 582 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 2: where I am and what I'm doing, and I find 583 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 2: I pick a brand and I stay with it. So 584 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 2: but that's that's what top Tier Fuel is all about. 585 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 2: So just to answer all your questions, it's something you'll 586 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 2: see a sticker on the side of the pump if 587 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 2: you want to learn more about it. I believe the 588 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 2: website is top tier dot com or you can just 589 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 2: google it top Tier Gasoline and you will see a 590 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 2: library of information and requests and you know facts about 591 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 2: what top Tier Fuel is and why it works and 592 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 2: does what it actually does. So more to come. I'm 593 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 2: Ronning Ay and the Car Doctor. We'll return right after this. 594 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 2: So Gary from Indiana Rights and hey, Ron, aren't you 595 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 2: over exaggerating to the replacement procedure for a glow plug 596 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 2: on that Chevy Silverado you were talking about? It can't 597 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 2: be that difficult and how hard could it really be? Gary? 598 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 2: I remember as a kid there was this game called Operation. 599 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 2: Remember Operation where you would it had a it was 600 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 2: like a cutout when a box and it was battery 601 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 2: operated and you took some you took a pair of 602 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 2: tweezers and you tried to pull out different organs out 603 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 2: of a body, and if you touch the sides, the 604 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 2: buzzer went off and lost and you had to start 605 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 2: over again. That's probably the best description I could give 606 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 2: you of putting a glow plug. Taking a glow plug 607 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 2: out of a diesel and putting it back in. There 608 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 2: is no margin of error, There is no there is 609 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 2: no whoops or almost or just close as good enough 610 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 2: all right. If you touch the size, if you scrape 611 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 2: off carbon, if you break the tip of the glow 612 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 2: plug and it stays in the engine and you're not careful, 613 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: you're done. You're spending You know, what's the replacement engine? 614 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 2: Sixteen seventeen grand? Are you going to take a part 615 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,719 Speaker 2: of three hundred thousand mile diesel engine? What else are 616 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 2: you going to find when you do? And how responsible 617 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 2: does the mechanic have to be? And that's the point 618 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 2: of this, because you know, the whole point of that conversation, 619 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 2: Gary was we're trying to manage risk because that's what 620 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 2: we have to do, and it's not our fault as 621 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 2: mechanics for the way vehicles are designed. That you know 622 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 2: imagine if aircraft during the Second World War were designed 623 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 2: as poorly as today's vehicles. I never really thought about 624 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 2: it until recently, but I think of Uncle Steve. Uncle 625 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 2: Steve used to say that, you know, they'd work on 626 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 2: the P fifty one Mustangs in the dark of night 627 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: in England, under flashlights and tarps and all kinds of weather, 628 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 2: and they were able to put those planes back together, 629 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 2: as Uncle Steve called them, high performance engines, right the 630 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 2: Rolls Royce engine and a P fifty one. I never 631 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 2: heard stories about, well, we couldn't get the spark plugs 632 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 2: out because they were designed so tight that if they 633 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 2: had carbon deposits on them. 634 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 4: You know. 635 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 2: It was usually something more along the lines of if 636 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 2: we can get the spark plug out, we took a hammer, 637 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 2: we hit it, it fell out, We put a new one in, 638 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 2: and we kept flying, you know. And that's the whole 639 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 2: point of this. We need common sense, basic design again. 640 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 2: We need to have the ability to repair things without 641 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 2: worrying about are we going to make it worse and 642 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 2: damage it. It's come down to where the price of 643 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 2: the average vehicle is outstripping what people can afford. And 644 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 2: then you get into the cost of repair. I can 645 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 2: tell people are having hard times because they're splitting credit cards. 646 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 2: You know what I mean when I say they're splitting 647 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 2: credit cards. They've got a thousand dollars bill and put 648 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 2: five hundred on this one and five hundred on that one. 649 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 2: And the only reason I can come up with that 650 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 2: is there. You know, this one's closer to being paid 651 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 2: off than this one. We're juggling the debt. Where are 652 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 2: we going with this? You know? Why is it that 653 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 2: an engine, a diesel engine that should last a million 654 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 2: miles with proper care, is now compromised by having to 655 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 2: change some of some of or one of its most 656 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 2: basic components a glow plug? So am I overemphasizing it? Gary, 657 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think I look at this stuff. 658 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 4: You know. 659 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 2: One thing I am, I'm a lot of things good 660 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 2: and bad. One thing I am is I'm passionate about 661 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 2: this industry. It's been good to me, and it's a 662 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 2: necessary part of American life. It's a necessary part of 663 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 2: everybody's life around the world. The automobile change things and 664 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 2: keeping them going is very important. And the star Spangled 665 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 2: banner is not going to start playing behind me. But 666 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 2: trust me. It's important to national security as well. We've 667 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 2: got to make things so that they're repairable, not just replaceable. 668 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 2: And to replace all these vehicles at such a cost, 669 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 2: I'd rather fix it. It just takes a steady hand 670 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 2: and managing the risk. Think about it. I'm ronning Andy 671 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 2: and the car Doctor till the next time. Good mechanics 672 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 2: aren't expensive, they're priceless. See US doctor Carr advice to 673 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 2: ride