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Speaker 1: my friends. And Unstable is that show I'm sharing with

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Speaker 1: my friends on Netflix. And of course Rob Below and

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Speaker 1: John Owen Lowe stars and also producer, executive producer, co

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Speaker 1: creators and co creators of Unstable, writer and writer. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's awesome. So gone you'll see in the very first

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Speaker 1: Rob Lowe, but also his son teaching flute lessons in

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Speaker 1: New York City. Well this, you're you're really pitching the

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Speaker 1: show in a great way. I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 1: year old man's butt and a flute player. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's awesome. It is everything one needs. Wait is it

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Speaker 1: a double Oh it's mine. Okay, we haven't fallen that

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Speaker 1: of me and that I don't want. Let talk. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about what is really really at a hand here,

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Speaker 1: and that's Unstable. I love your characters. Rob, your character

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Speaker 1: ellis is this? I tell you what, John Owen subscribe

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Speaker 1: your dad's character and then you describe your son's character.

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Speaker 1: I like that. Sure, Um so Rob plays Ellis Dragon

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Speaker 1: Ellis is a wildly successful um but very eccentric, untethered,

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Speaker 1: slightly insane, narcissistic, egomaniac, billionaire entrepreneur, biotech creator. And I

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Speaker 1: have all those words and descriptive words you've used. How

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Speaker 1: many of those actually apply to your father Rob? The

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Speaker 1: first half of them? Yeah, the ones that success. No,

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Speaker 1: phrase I like to say, benevolent narcissist is important? Yes, Well,

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Speaker 1: the quickness of the character is just it's it's fun.

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Speaker 1: It looks like a fun, fun role to play. It's

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Speaker 1: a really fun part. I mean it's it's it's a

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Speaker 1: character that gives me so much latitude. Just go for

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Speaker 1: yet it's kind of grounded in reality because you read

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Speaker 1: perfect time to kind of lampoon that a little bit. Well,

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Speaker 1: so your son John Owen, Yeah, is playing your son Jackson? Yes,

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Speaker 1: So describe here's character, let him have it, let him

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Speaker 1: But kind of a drift that was so political? Was

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Speaker 1: the bar is like really high on that in our family?

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Speaker 1: What's lower that? Quickly? Shall we yea so gandhi. What

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Speaker 1: happens is Ellis loses his wife, Jackson's mother, and so

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Speaker 1: run to New York grabbed their flout flute, teaching Son

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Speaker 1: I mean Jackson, Jackson is Jackson. My son is really

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Speaker 1: more appalling his choices. I I really I look. I

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Speaker 1: that's how self obsessed he is about the shadow, my shadow,

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Speaker 1: Like it's all. He's the one who's making about me,

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Speaker 1: Like I said at the very beginning, I know you

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Speaker 1: I'm telling all my friends to watch and back into it. Oh,

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Speaker 1: thank you and thank you to the Netflix for giving

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Speaker 1: us another incredible hit. Unstable. It's streaming right now, make

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Speaker 1: sure you catch it. Roblow John owen Low. Thank you

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