1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: In nineteen twelve, the famous ship the Titanic infamously and 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: tragically sank or did it? Yeah? Probably? Yeah, I mean 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 1: yeah probably. I mean they made a movie about it, 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: and I think I can knew that if it didn't happen. Yeah, 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: thanks Cameron. It doesn't make things up out of a 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: whole cloth, right, We've all been to Avatar. What's the 7 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: name of the planet? Pandora? Who had been to Pandora? 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: And the fact that I confuse the name of the 9 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: film with the planet should not dissuade you from the 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: veracity of that statement. But but yeah, there are a 11 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: lot of conspiracies about the Titanic, and some of them 12 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: are rabbit holes. Absolutely, So let's get all brock love 13 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: it with this one and search for some underwater treasure. 14 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: That's a comedy bang bang reference. I hope you're listening 15 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: to that podcast too. From uf thos to psychic powers 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: and government conspiracies, history is riddled with unexplained events. You 17 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: can turn back now or learn this stuff they don't 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: want you to know. Welcome back to the show. My 19 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: name is Matt, my name is no. They call me Ben. 20 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: You are you? And that makes this stuff They don't 21 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: want you to know. As always, we are joined by 22 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: our superproducer Tristan McNeil. Tristan, do you want to wave 23 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: to us? Okay, well, everybody will just have to believe 24 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: us when we say that Tristan was indeed waving. Tristan 25 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: just communicates in emojis. We found out it's it's pretty intense. 26 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: Like there's three that he uses. There's the O face emoji, yeah, 27 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: there's the hand on jim like finger yeah, and then 28 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: there's the shocked emoji. I see that one most often. Yeah, 29 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: So he exists swinging between those three emojis. You know, 30 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: I kind of like it when it's like when they 31 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: see if you go into a really great restaurant and 32 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: you know it's great because they may only have six 33 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: things on the menu, but they have mastery over all 34 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: of those. I just look at the pictures. I prefer 35 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: to order off menu. Have you ever been on a cruise? 36 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: I have no, Really, it's not it's not for me. 37 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: I didn't really think it was for me either, pun 38 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: doing it. But yes, interesting experience to be out in 39 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: the ocean with several thousand other people just on a 40 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: big floating metal thing. Now was it was it a 41 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: Was it like a family cruise or was it a 42 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: themed cruise, because you know those things occur, I could. 43 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what it was. It was um Norwegian, 44 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: I think was the name of the company. Did you 45 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: see any icebergs? I saw zero icebergs, and I was 46 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: looking for a good thing. For some reason, they don't 47 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: hang out in the Caribbean. Yes, that's now, that's what 48 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: I thought too. There's a Caribbean cruise was and I'm 49 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: glad you had a good time. How old were you? 50 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: That wasn't long ago? Maybe two three years? Oh, that's 51 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: where you went. I'm a bad friend. I remember you 52 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: said you were at sea, and I thought you were 53 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: just joking and let it go. To be clear, it 54 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: wasn't my idea, but it was fun. We should also 55 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: mentioned before we really get cooked with gas here. I 56 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: don't know if if any of you folks have heard 57 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: of this before, but a while ago, Matt and Nolan 58 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: I found out about a conspiracy themed cruise, conspira Sea 59 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: conspiracy cruise, and when you briefly, we briefly kicked around 60 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: the idea of going. But I don't know, especially if 61 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: cruises aren't Nol's thing, and it just seems like an 62 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: awful lot of like being corralled and kind of you know, 63 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: heard it around, and I'm not really into shuffleboard, so 64 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: I feel like they'd be limited stuff for me. I'd 65 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: like to travel on cargo ship or via icebreaker into 66 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: the polls, but I don't know if I would go 67 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: on them, you know, a normal cruise, just because they're 68 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: their own economies, you know, like they're their own worlds. Yeah, 69 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: there's no escape. I'd like to ride on a cruise missile. 70 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: Maybe that'd be cool. That'd be kind of cool with 71 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: the cowboy hate. So but whether or not we or 72 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: you are fans of cruises, one thing is for sure. 73 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: Cruises are super popular. People love the idea, right, hop 74 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: on a boat, get away from it all. See a 75 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: couple foreign countries. Maybe the practice of cruising recreationally entirely 76 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: for pleasure, you know, where you don't have to bring 77 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: home like spoils of war or or salmon to smoke 78 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: or something. It dates back for a while. It began 79 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: with the formation something called the Peninsular and Oriental Steam 80 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: Navigation Company in eighteen twenty two. Now they started out 81 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: as just a shipping company. They're gonna take your stuff, 82 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: put it on a boat, and take it somewhere else 83 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: wherever you need it to be. But then they realize, hey, 84 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: maybe there's something else to this. They were going on 85 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: routes between England and the Iberian Peninsula, and they adopted 86 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: that name Peninsular Steam Navigation Company from that peninsular routing 87 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: that they were taking. That's a great word to peninsula. Yeah, 88 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: I feel like that some law enforcement officer probably uses 89 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: that in a sobriety test, like repeat the following words 90 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: to me, right, rural juror peninsula. Yes, anyway they Yeah, 91 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: Matt is absolutely correct. They began actually as a they 92 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: began traveling to this peninsula and to Egypt to deliver 93 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:55,679 Speaker 1: mail as a postal route. But they began becoming, you know, 94 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: known for this great route and you could ride along 95 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: for a nominal fee. The first vessel built just for 96 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: luxury cruising came only a few decades later, the Prinzacing 97 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 1: Victoria Louise of Germany, designed by a guy with the 98 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: name get this, Albert Balling yep designing ships stacking duckets. Yeah, 99 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: and that was a nineteen hundred and so now fast 100 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: forward to twenty seventeen. As we record this, cruise ships 101 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: are popular around the globe, and every market trend just 102 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: indicates that they will become even more popular in the 103 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: coming years. Wouldn't the full name be pleasure cruise. It's 104 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: a pleasure cruise. Yeah, that's a really good point, a 105 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: pleasure cruise. There's a wide variety of pleasures. Taking a 106 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: pleasure cruise to pleasure island. That's nice. And it is 107 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: strange to think of how harrowing a journey, a long 108 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: boat trip would be and has been throughout history, Like 109 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: how many people die when you take a long ship 110 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: journey back in the day, even not long before this 111 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: time in nineteen hundred, you would have serious issues with 112 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: having enough food and water on the ship for enough 113 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: of the people and be comfortable there. And if sickness 114 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: was a major and like you know, sanitary conditions and 115 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: spreading disease, you know, and people you hear about people 116 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: getting you know, scurvy and whatnot, and like you know, malnutrition. Yeah, 117 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: I would think the idea of a pleasure cruise had 118 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: to be a pretty big marketing push to make that 119 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:39,679 Speaker 1: fly yea. And also probably you know, for the wealthy, 120 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: the ones who got to hang out up top, while 121 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: we know that the steerage you know down below was 122 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: where the I guess the employees and some of the 123 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: less fortunate passengers got to hang out. And honestly, guys, 124 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: it hasn't changed since then. Yeah, in the sea or 125 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: the air, have you have you flown coach only? Rough? 126 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: Why are there always new weird gradations of Luxurian planes. 127 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: There's like economy economy plus they don't ever say coach anymore. 128 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: They don't change anything though, they just change the wording. 129 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: I mean, all these planes that you fly on, they're 130 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: like the same ones from They still have ash trays 131 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: in the right. We're not talking about planes, but I 132 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: think it is a good comparison. So the market predictions 133 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: estimate that by twenty twenty, almost twenty five million people 134 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: will take a cruise each year. And of course, disasters 135 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: occur in every industry, and when something goes wrong in 136 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: the world of cruise ships, people can die. One of 137 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: the most famous cruise ship tragedies. Yes, that's true, folks. 138 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: We are getting to a point here. It's not just 139 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: us talking about whether we're going to take a cruise. 140 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,719 Speaker 1: We are exploring one of the most infamous tragedies in 141 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: modern maritime history, the sinking of the Titanic. That's a bummer. 142 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: I didn't sign up for that. I thought we were 143 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: just going to talk about cruises. Well they and sign 144 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: up to sync or did they? Like? Wait, never mind, 145 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: if you want to refund on your ticket for the podcast, 146 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: then we'll have to sell tickets. There's some cool stuff here, 147 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: you guys, the stuff that I was unaware of, and 148 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: that certainly was not addressed in James Cameron's blockbuster smash 149 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: Titanic A Love Story, which allegedly have you heard the 150 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: rumor about titan they got dosed with LSD or something 151 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: like that. Oh. I well, with the making of the film, 152 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 1: I heard that James Cameron really just wanted to explore 153 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: the wreckage in a submarine. He made that movie too, 154 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: and he did the Mariannas Trench and his little tiny subect. 155 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: But no, I heard that he was such a monster 156 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: that like somebody dosed was trying to dose him with 157 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: LSD and ended up like dosing all of the food 158 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: on the spread or something like that for the cool 159 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: crew and cast with LSD and they ended up causing 160 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: some issues. That would that work? Woul that work someone 161 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: with don't worry, we won't put you on blast, but 162 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: someone with the experience in that in that field, let 163 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: us know if experience in dosing multiple people, Well, if 164 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: LSD would work in food. I had never heard that. 165 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 1: That's fascinating. Oh heait, guys, I found it. So Apparently 166 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: it was some much LSD laced chowder that was intended 167 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: for mister Cameron, but others ended up eating it, and 168 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: the assistant This is on an Ion nine article, by 169 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: the way, excellent side. The assistant director apparently got so 170 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: freaked out that he stabbed James Cameron in the face 171 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: with a pencil. Oh my gosh. Well, also, you shouldn't 172 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: eat other people's chowder. There are multiple lessons to learn 173 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: here and and the history of the well, I don't 174 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: know if the history of the real Titanic is as 175 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: interesting in bizarre as that historical note on the film, 176 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: but we do have the history of the actual Titanic too, 177 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: which is relatively LSD free. Yes, it dates back to 178 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: nineteen oh evan when a guy named James Bruce Ismay, 179 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: who was the son of this other guy named Thomas. 180 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: He founded the White Star line of ocean liners on 181 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: the idea that people would travel farther by ship if 182 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: the vessels were just luxurious enough for them to want 183 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: to stay on that ship, like a pleasure cruise. Yeah, 184 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 1: the idea of I don't want to be on a 185 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: ship for two days, but if I can go bowling 186 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: on that ship, maybe I will. If there's a tub, 187 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: if it's opulent, if there are servants, if I can drink, 188 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: and as much as I want whenever I want. Sure, 189 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: For some reason, I feel like people in the early 190 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: twentieth century did that anyway. Yeah, I just feel like 191 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: getting drunk on a cruise ship would be a recipe 192 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: for disaster because it's like, what if he even have 193 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: mild c sickness, wouldn't that be just exacerbated by you know, 194 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: alcohol consumption. I don't know, that's a I wonder if 195 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: you I imagine that many people become acclimated to it 196 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: if they're on for a week. Get your sea legs, 197 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: get your sea legs, yes, exactly. And mostly people are 198 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: on the slots or in the casino, just so you know, 199 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: on a cruise ship. So part of the reason that 200 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: Ismay was inspired to do this. He had a partner, 201 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: Lord Piri, who was chairman of Harland and Wolf shipbuilders, 202 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: and Puri kept talking about the Mauritania and the Lusitania, 203 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: which were the newest vessels of something called the Cunard line. 204 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: Ismay and Piri were convinced that they could create bigger 205 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: and better and more luxurious ships. So then they imagined 206 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: three giants, the Gigantic, which would isn't that an awesome name? 207 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: It later would change his name to the Britannant, right, 208 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: much more luxurious sounding, the Olympic and the Ti Tanic 209 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: the Titanic, and these ships would but they're gonna be 210 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: so posh, you guys, you have no idea how poshu 211 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 1: they're gonna be. They're gonna be fast, they're gonna be 212 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: so safe. We're gonna get you there in style. And 213 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: they're huge. I mean, yeah, Gigantic was an appropriate name. 214 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: It just doesn't have the same ring as Britannic. Yeah, 215 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: but then you you think Titanic is after titan which 216 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: is another just giant thing, saying Titan or Giant. I 217 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: wonder if they had another name for Olympic. And we're 218 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: just too embarrassed to put it in the history books. 219 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: Was it just big, bigly, big boy, big boy, big atron. 220 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: So the Titanic itself was, you know, not ironically named. 221 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 1: It was almost nine hundred feet long, and it was 222 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: almost ninety three feet wide. It weighed almost forty five 223 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: thousand tons. It had two reciprocating engines, each of which 224 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: were about four stories tall. That's incomprehensible for me. There 225 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: were there were three propellers. Two of them were like 226 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: a little over twenty three feet in diameter, and then 227 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: there was one. There was a four blade propeller that 228 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: was seventeen feet near the ship's seventeen feet in diameter 229 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: near the ship's rudder, and it could make it could 230 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: generate enough horsepower to get it to the insane speed 231 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: of twenty seven point six miles per hour, which I 232 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: know does not sound impressive, but again, this thing is 233 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: like nine hundred feet long to be that huge, yeah, 234 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: and then stopping it is an issue, right, And the 235 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: ship was so massively Titanic that it actually could not 236 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: be constructed on existing docks and launching sites, so they 237 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: actually had to build a whole new set of docks 238 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: called the White Star docks and the Great Gantry, which 239 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: was a series of fifteen massive cranes that allowed them 240 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: to accommodate all of the moving parts of the shipbuilding process. 241 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: So the Titanic was finished in nineteen twelve, and it 242 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: took an estimated eleven thousand people to build it. I 243 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: can't even picture what that would like. How do you 244 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: even like manage eleven thousand people? Is that like an 245 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: Egyptian period? I was thinking the same thing. It's insane 246 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: and all in all, the cost was an estimated seven 247 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: point five million dollars, which today would amount with inflation 248 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: to about one hundred and eighty nine million, one hundred 249 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: eighty six thousand, seven hundred and seven dollars and ninety cents. 250 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: And that's in twenty seventeen dollars. And here's the big thing. 251 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: They called it unsinkable. Spoiler really got to follow through 252 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: with that kind of promise. You know, they were all 253 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: they were so, so very wrong. And here lies the 254 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: kernel of today's episode. K E R in Yale kernel. 255 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: Let's do it. Commercial break and we are back, as 256 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: you know, well as we make very few assumptions on 257 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: this show, but for this we're just going to assume 258 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: that everyone knows that the Titanic is indeed sinkable and sank. 259 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: What you may not know is the true story of 260 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: how this disaster occurs. We're gonna set the scene for 261 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: you and walk through this pretty quickly, hopefully, and we're 262 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,359 Speaker 1: relying a lot on some excellent work by our colleagues 263 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: at how Stuff Works website on their article how the 264 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: Titanic Worked, which you can read for more information. Things 265 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: are eventually going to get crazy, right, yes, cool? The 266 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: ship sets sail from its launching site in Belfast to Southampton, 267 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: England in April of nineteen twelve. Titanic picked up its 268 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: passengers from England, it moved along to France and then 269 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: to Queenstown, Ireland to get the rest. Collectively, there were 270 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: about two thousand, two hundred and eight passengers and eight 271 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: hundred ninety nine officers and crew. So, going back to 272 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: the class system we mentioned earlier, there were three hundred 273 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 1: and twenty nine first class travelers, several of whom were 274 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: titans of industry, the giants of industry, so I don't 275 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: say tighten all the time, two hundred and eighty five 276 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: second class travelers and seven hundred and ten third class travelers. 277 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: So let's break down some of these classes really fast. 278 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: Let's look at the cream of the crop of that 279 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: first class. We're talking primarily wealthy industrialists and the people 280 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: that they call their families hopefully actually their families, their entourages, 281 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: perhaps sure, their personal servants. And among these people were 282 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,479 Speaker 1: well too well known John Jacob Astor, the fourth of 283 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: the Astor family that you may have heard of before 284 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: on this show, one of these wealthy families that made 285 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: their money on what ben opium? Opium, not all of it, 286 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,959 Speaker 1: but a lot of it exactly. And then JP Morgan 287 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: another name that you have heard before, undoubtedly, And mister 288 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: Morgan was forced to cancel his passage due to insert 289 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: reason here. There are so many different reasons that have 290 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: been given for him having to cancel. He says one thing, 291 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: other people see him doing other things. Will explore it 292 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: a little later. Among the second class passengers were businessmen, 293 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: members of the clergy. There were also teachers and a 294 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: chauffeur who were traveling second class and then third class 295 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: or steerage. The part where who was that actor Leonardo DiCaprio. 296 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: That's where he would have been. Yep, the in the 297 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: Titanic film. First class tickets were pretty expensive, round twenty 298 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: five to forty five hundred dollars. That's between forty four 299 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: thousand and a little over eighty thousand today. Whoa an 300 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: eighty thousand dollars ticket? Now, granted that's top of the line. Yeah, 301 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure you essentially have an apartment on the sea 302 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: at that point. Yeah, but then you look at the 303 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: third class ticket and it's going to be obtained for 304 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: around thirty five dollars at the time, or six hundred dollars. Now, wow, 305 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: it's selling. We're qvcing this for which one? For the 306 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: third class? The steerage six hundred, six hundred bucks today's dollars. 307 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: But no, I know, but I was saying, like, you know, 308 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: even for today's dollars, if I'm paying six hundred, I 309 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: would expect more than steerage. Yeah, but six hundred dollars 310 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: to how many day crews? You know, you're talking multiple 311 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: days a ship. It's not like all that stuff. But 312 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: let me also point out that for that ticket, I 313 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: don't know if we have this cer notes, but it 314 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: is true that the conditions did radically differ. There were 315 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: two bathtubs for everybody in third class, like two bathtubs 316 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 1: for seven hundred people. But that's also where all the 317 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: sweet Irish dancing took place. Yes, if we are, if 318 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: we are, to believe the excellent documentary by James Cameron. Right, yeah, 319 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: and all right, so fast forward. It's April fourteenth, nineteen twelve, 320 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: third day of the voyage. The water is around twenty 321 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: eight degrees fahrenheit. That's very cold. It's dangerously cold if 322 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: you're out in the open ocean. Around noon of that day, 323 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: the Titanic's Marconi wireless operators, they had a Marconi radio, 324 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: very cutting edge at this time, but also very new technology, 325 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: they received the first of what would be a total 326 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: of four cautionary messages about large ice floes ahead. They 327 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: got a second message of five to thirty five from 328 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: a ship that reported three icebergs just nineteen miles north 329 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: of Titanic's path and just one hour before the collision. 330 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: Vessel named the Californian message the Titanic, we are stopped 331 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: and surrounded by ice. And apparently the person who was 332 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: manning the Marconi Whi's what they called it at that time, 333 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: person who was manning the Marconi on the Titanic replied, 334 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: shut up, I am busy. I am working Cape race 335 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: the captain and Captain Smith wasn't worried about icebergs. After all, 336 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: he was piloting a mass or captaining rather a massive 337 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: steel behemoth. Instead, the story goes, he was concerned about 338 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: shattering speed records set by other massive maritime behemoths. H 339 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 1: I can imagine that, taking your mind off of what's 340 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: around you and just focusing on the instrumentation going on. 341 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: And he tried to be you know, he tried to 342 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: be responsible at is his job. So he told an 343 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: officer named Lyteler, who was stationed on the captain's bridge, 344 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: that if the night became too hazy, he should be 345 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: alerted immediately and they would slow the ship's speed. But 346 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: the night was clear, and so the Titanic sped on. 347 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: There were two officers, won by the name of Frederick Fleet, 348 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: the other Reginald Lee, who were in the observation port. 349 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: Fleet was getting to the end of his shift when 350 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: he saw the iceberg and said I So they sounded 351 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: the alarm, and they called down to the bridge, and 352 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: a full thirty seven seconds passed before the first officer, 353 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: William M. Murdoch shut off the engines, dropped the watertight 354 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: doors to the bottom compartments, because the ship was made 355 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 1: up of these different compartments that were able to flood 356 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: and keep the water from spreading elsewhere. And that's a 357 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: big issue that led to the ultimate sinking of the ship, 358 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: was that these things did not work as expected. So 359 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: he killed the engines, shut the doors, and turned the 360 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: ship away from its front end so that the iceberg too. 361 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: They took the hit on the side of the ship 362 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: right right. They did not have enough time to make 363 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: a complete stop or even to turn away. Stopping the 364 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: ship would have required a half mile in this iceberg 365 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: was nine hundred feet from the ship. That's that oh 366 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: no moment if you're in your car and you're in 367 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: traffic or something and you realize you have to stop, 368 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: but oh, I'm too close to fully apply the brakes here. 369 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go to the side of this 370 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: vehicle or something. Yeah, And I mean what ended up 371 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: happening was the iceberg just kind of shredded the side 372 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: of the ship. It's dragged along the edge of it, right, 373 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: creating a huge scar that just hemorrhaged, you know, and 374 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: for a few minutes, it looked like their last second 375 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: maneuver may have worked. From the surface, the ship appeared 376 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: to have missed the iceberg, but underneath, whereas we know, 377 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: icebergs are much larger. Right, protruding fragment of ice ripped 378 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: a hole through the Titanic's hull, just like a null said, 379 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: if the ship was shuddering or showing initial irregularities in movement, 380 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: it was subtle and went undetected or excused as the 381 00:23:54,960 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: heavy groaning machinery. When Captain Smith surveyed the flood damage, 382 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: he and a film named Thomas Andrews said the hole 383 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: must be nearly three hundred feet wide, but in reality 384 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: it was a tear smaller. It was smaller. It was 385 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: like six lacerations about three and a half square feet. 386 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: But not only did the captain's navigation attempt not work, 387 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: it made things worse. It moved the Titanic from the 388 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: sturdiest place to withstand the impact to the most vulnerable point, 389 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: and even the smallest gash caused these terrible results. So 390 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: earlier we mentioned how the compartments could close right these 391 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: watertight things to prevent the spread of floodwater. Five of 392 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: the ship's compartments had already begun to flood, and Captain 393 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: Smith said the ship was going to sink. Unquestionably, we 394 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: have He predicted about an hour or an hour and 395 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,479 Speaker 1: a half left before it would slip to the bottom 396 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: of the Atlantic. And here's the thing. The Titanic didn't 397 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: just sink. There are reports from my witnesses that testified 398 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: that it actually broke completely in half. The science actually 399 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: supports these accounts. You see the middle of the ship 400 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: that you've got all the stress of the water filled 401 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: compartments that we're talking about, right, that's a ton of weight. 402 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: And as one of the like ends began to keel 403 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: out of the water like come up and rise, you've 404 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: got all that weight in the center and it just 405 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: broke the thing in half. There's so much pressure there. 406 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 1: The stress reached around thirty five hundred pounds per square 407 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: inch on the boat deck itself, and that's fifty percent 408 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: more stress than this whole ship was meant to take. 409 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: There were plenty of life jackets to go around, that's 410 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: the good news. They were built of cork, which is weird, 411 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: but not so weird back then, one would hope. However, 412 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: there was of the two thousand, two hundred and eight 413 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: passengers and the almost nine hundred crew members, it was 414 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: room for only eleven hundred and seventy six for them 415 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: in the lifeboats. At twelve twenty five am, so April fifteenth, now, 416 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: the captain gave the crew orders to start. We're in 417 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: the lifeboats, leading the first class passengers to the boat deck. Uh. 418 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: And they were when Billy Zane kicked that little girl 419 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: off the lifeboat. I remember, was that Billy's Billy Zane? Yeah? No, 420 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: not not the disparage, but I mean Billy Zane, the 421 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: actor playing a a jerky first class passenger who was 422 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: Rose's original love interest, but as it turned out, the 423 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: scrappy young lad Leonardo Dicafrio won her heart at least 424 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: at least well, no, I think she was in love 425 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: with them and died she was in love with Is 426 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: okay to spoilt Titana? I think? So? My god, that's 427 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: sort of like spoiling the assassination of a Ramwick, right, right? 428 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: So there were fourteen lifeboats that could carry sixty five people, 429 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: to emergency sea boats that could carry thirty five people, 430 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: and four collapsible boats that could carry forty nine people. 431 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: By two am, all these boats have been lowered, half 432 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: of the ship's passenger and crew still remained. And that 433 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: part from the film is a true worry. The band 434 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: did play on as the ship sank. Those folks have 435 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,479 Speaker 1: some real they have real spine, they have a lot 436 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: of sand. Yeah. I'm trying to think of a family 437 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: friendly way to say, yeah, that's what it's gonna go. 438 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: At first, actually, they played the song of choice. They 439 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: played if this is ever in a very bizarre macabre 440 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,479 Speaker 1: trivia game for you. The song of choice was Nearer 441 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: my God to Thee, which is a old hymn. When 442 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: a ship called the Carpathia arrived to rescue survivors, they 443 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 1: found a floating disaster. You know. Lifeboats are adrift, passengers 444 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 1: are shivering to death, surely deeply traumatized. The ship got 445 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: fourteen boats and seven hundred and twelve survivors, which means 446 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 1: more than fifteen hundred passengers and crew were dead. And 447 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure maybe not that specifically, but you know, regulations 448 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: now would require you not to book more people than 449 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: you have safety equipment for, right, I mean, yeah, that's 450 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 1: that pretty big oversight, you know. Ye, people buy tickets 451 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: with that, you know, six hundred dollars inflated ticket value 452 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: price for that low level. Also, that's where the flooding 453 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 1: happened too, was down in steerage, and they were, you know, 454 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: having to deal with that, and then they get up 455 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: top escape only to realize that they are doomed. Yeah. Yeah. 456 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: Apparently the third class passengers were not allowed up until 457 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: the first and class at first and second class passengers 458 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: have been accounted for, which is just disgusting. Every time, 459 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: every time I think I've got a handle on humanity's 460 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: dark potential, man, something like this happens. This show is 461 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: changing me. Yeah. Yeah, Well, there's something to be said 462 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: about cruising in a place where if you do fall 463 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: into the water, it's over pretty quickly like that. I 464 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,479 Speaker 1: don't know that a bad idea. Yeah, just seems like 465 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: a really bad idea unless you've got like contingency upon contingency, 466 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: you know. But then also, you know, this is the 467 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: top of the line. It's best in class ship, right 468 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: right right, but apparently not unbreakable or UNA. So that's 469 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: the official story. It's a tremendous loss of life, financial catastrophe, 470 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: a cultural catastrophe. The Titanic will spend almost a century 471 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: rotting at the bottom of the ocean, creating, you know, 472 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: a new shipwreck ecosystem. Right, and that is the official story. 473 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: But what if there were something more to the story. 474 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. So, as with any large 475 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,479 Speaker 1: scale disaster in the modern age, we all know this, 476 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: alternative theories about the Titanic begin to circulate in the 477 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: years following the event. So we got together and looked 478 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: at some of the most prevalent, uh, some of the 479 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: most plausible, which there are a few that might surprise you, 480 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: and of course the strangest. So what do we have? 481 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: Not so fast, you guys. First we have to hear 482 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor. You rogue. The first theory 483 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: surrounding the sinking of the Titanic is one you may 484 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: have heard, and it has to do with the global 485 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: banking elites that sank their ship to kill off their opponents. 486 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: And people who think that this is true believe that 487 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: this was essentially an assassination of sorts a scatter shot, 488 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: a wide shot assassination attempt on several highly important people 489 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: in the banking world. I feel like there was a 490 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: like a British crime show I saw where there was 491 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: a storyline involving a mass murderer that was actually trying 492 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: to assassinate a very specific group of people. Just killed 493 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: a bunch of people to cover the tracks of the 494 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: motive that make it look like an accident. Well, we 495 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: know that people have bizarre plane crashes often. Um, so this, 496 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: this then would be an act of terrorism. Who were 497 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: they actually after? You know what? They weren't killing the 498 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: purposely killing the entire boat. They wanted a few people, right, 499 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: like like Nolan is mentioning, well, well you got the aster, 500 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: the gentleman Aster, John Jacob Isidor Strauss, and Benjamin Guggenheim 501 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: another familiar name you know, rings a little something there 502 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: of the Guggenheim like museum and no that's m Yes, 503 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: all were millionaires, and they were all opposed to this 504 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: idea of creating a central bank, a private central bank, 505 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: within the United States because it's gonna negatively affect their 506 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: personal fortunes and you know, the fingers that they've got 507 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: in the pies of the banking world inside the US. 508 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: We hate that analogy. I know it's crazy, but it's high. 509 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: Like have you ever seen somebody actually have their finger 510 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: in a pie saw a movie back in the early 511 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: two thousand. It's American pine. It wasn't a finger, right, Yes, 512 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: you're right, Okay, the pictures, pictures, the humanity and the pie. 513 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: But but yeah, I see, I see what you're saying. 514 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: So these three men, in particular, according to this theory, 515 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: were against the formation of the Federal Reserve. Oh, yes, 516 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: the creature from Jekyl Island. Yes, so named because the 517 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: plans for the Federal Reserve were controversially created in a 518 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: fancy pants island off the coast of Georgia, the state, 519 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: not the country, in nineteen thirteen. So it is a 520 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: controversial thing, privatizing, you know, the central bank for an 521 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: entire country. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. The word we use 522 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: now is quasi government. Quasi government. Okay. So according to 523 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: this h JP Morgan and Rockefeller in the various franchises 524 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: excuse me, families of the Rothschild thing. We're conspiring to 525 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: remove what could be substantive opposition. Here's the thing. It's 526 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: true that JP Morgan had a personal suite aboard the 527 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: ship with his own private deck. If he could believe that, 528 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: and he had a customized you know, living area in there. 529 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: He was booked on the ship's maiden voyage, but instead 530 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: he canceled the trip. And you may you heard us 531 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: earlier allude to what the various reasons why what did 532 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: what did you guys hear? Oh man, I heard all 533 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: kinds of stuff. I mean I heard he said he 534 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: wasn't feeling so well, so he was gonna stay home 535 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: and convalesce. But he may have just stayed in France. 536 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: Remember how we were saying how the Titanic left went 537 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: over to France, then went to Ireland. Well, it seems 538 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: that he stayed in the French resort to enjoy, you know, 539 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: some morning massages, some sulfur baths, that the kind of 540 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: things you do when you're a Morgan. Sulfur bath. Sulfur bath, 541 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: it's like a bathroom with sulfur instead of water. Yeah, No, 542 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: I am so, I am lying. I am I'm not. 543 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: Are you lying because you don't know? No, I imagine 544 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: I don't know for sure, but I imagine for exfoliation 545 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: or something feeling if it's supposed to be restorative. I mean, 546 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: this is a time when people really believed in curative springs, 547 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: so it was probably a natural, naturally occurane water source 548 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: that had sulfurous content in the water. Smells of enemas 549 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: going on around this yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, John Harvey 550 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: Kellogg and it smells great in a sulfur bathroom and 551 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: yogurt all over your parts. Not to mention the guy 552 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: who invented graham crackers, that's a whole another, that's a 553 00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: whole another. I don't know his story. We'll leave that 554 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: for another day. Zip block full of gummy bears. The 555 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: whole point is that Morgan's abrupt cancelation, the decision to 556 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: not be on the ship, seems suspicious at all. Yeah, 557 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: and we will also just a side note, this is 558 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 1: so interesting, we will also do another episode in the 559 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: future if you would like on the bizarre, strange origins 560 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: of commonplace snacks and silverware and other seemingly innocuous products. 561 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: You are absolutely right, Matt. This last minute cancelation, whatever 562 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: reason he did, apparently the story is and there was 563 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: last minute, if fueled speculation that he had advanced knowledge 564 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: of the fate of the Titanic, And there are there 565 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: are a few variations in this theory. In some versions, 566 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,800 Speaker 1: the three men on the boat were opposed to income 567 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: tax legislation. Chronologically, that one doesn't really work out. According 568 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: to other people, the Jesuit, for some reason, lured these 569 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: men on their ship. We should point out that there 570 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: is also not there's not a lot of hard evidence 571 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: on this flin in particular, and while we do know 572 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: that maybe plane crashes can occur, we know that there 573 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: have been questionable deaths or air quote accidents before. This 574 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 1: seems like it's asking a lot like who would who 575 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: would bring down a ship that's worth one hundred and 576 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: ninety million dollars to kill three people. That's exactly my 577 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: thought of spending that much money to make the ship 578 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 1: and only to have it, you know, destroyed, unless you're 579 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: getting insurance. There's also like there's better ways to assassinate 580 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: people easier, not that they don't rely on hitting an iceberg. Right, Yeah, 581 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: it seems like a lot of happenstance going on air. 582 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: It's like a Rube Goldberg, really is I mean, it 583 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: would be brilliant, It would be brilliant, But I fear 584 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,959 Speaker 1: this is a stretch. Some of the other ones, though, 585 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 1: are a little less stretchy. Well, here's here's the other thing, Like, 586 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: did what if the Titanic never sank at all, that's 587 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 1: a real one that I will. It's a real one, man. 588 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: It's on here. We're looking at the outline with which 589 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: I was not familiar. So we said earlier that there 590 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: were three boats in this giant class, right, Uh, the Gigantica, 591 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: the Massifania, the Big Boy, Big Boy, and uh huh 592 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: and little Nuggets whatever their names are. Their official names 593 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: when they launched were the Olympic, the Britannic, and the Titanic. Uh. 594 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: What if some people argued the Titanic, rather than sinking, 595 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: was the victim or beneficiary of identity theft. What if 596 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: it was switched at the last minute for its sister ship, 597 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 1: the Olympia. I just don't understand why you would do that. 598 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 1: The Titanic is the big reason, Like this is the 599 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: thing you're showing off right. According to the most famous 600 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: proponent of this theory, a writer named Robin Gardener, there's 601 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 1: much more to the story. Gardener wrote a book called Titanic, 602 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,800 Speaker 1: The Ship that Never Sank? Can you hear the question 603 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 1: mark we put in there? There we go perfect? So 604 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: this author looks at several other events and coincidences that 605 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: occurred in the months, days, hours leading up to the disaster, 606 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: and concludes the ship that sank was actually the Olympic 607 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 1: disguised as the Titanic, and it was an insurance scam 608 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: by the owners of the owners of the concern, which 609 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:51,439 Speaker 1: was the International Mercantile Marine Group who bought White Star 610 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: Line in nineteen o two, and the controller of the 611 00:38:54,600 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: Marine Group was JP Morgan Old JP Old ap Heavy 612 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: j himself. Okay, all right, all right, So the Olympic, 613 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 1: check this out, was the slightly older sister of the 614 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: Titanic and was launched in October of nineteen ten, so 615 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: a couple of years earlier. The exterior profile was nearly 616 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: identical to the Titanic, saved for a few minor details 617 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 1: when we're talking about stuff like the number of portholes 618 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,720 Speaker 1: on one area of the ship. So here's one example 619 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: of Gardner's argument. Gardner says the Buss ships were built 620 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: with linoleum floors, but shortly before she was due to 621 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,760 Speaker 1: set sail, Jay Bruce Ismay, the director of White Star Line, 622 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,879 Speaker 1: inexplicably ordered the floors aboard Titanic be carpeted over. There's 623 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,439 Speaker 1: something else. The motivation in This theory is that the 624 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: Olympic had already been involved in a couple of accidents, 625 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: and that this would essentially be an insurance scam. So 626 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 1: you'd collect the insurance of the Titanic for sinking the Olympic, Right, 627 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: but you would still be, you know, killing hundreds of people. Yeah, 628 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: you would essentially be killing hundreds of people for a 629 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 1: little less than our day, our modern equivalent of two 630 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,240 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. I mean, what do you think the 631 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: value of a human life was in nineteen twelve? Just 632 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,399 Speaker 1: thinking the same thing. We should calculate that and bring 633 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: it back in another episode. I think that's frightening. What 634 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,279 Speaker 1: is our value? Yeah? Oh boy, that's a good one. 635 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: I like that as a title. Yeah, what is the 636 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: value of human life? But no, I mean I don't know. 637 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: I said things were getting a little less stretchy because 638 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 1: I don't know captains of industry or monsters a lot 639 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 1: of the time. And I don't think I would put 640 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:47,239 Speaker 1: it past a JP Morgan type to value an investment 641 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: over the lives of hundreds of people. Oh absolutely, yeah, 642 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: I can. I mean, in principle I can absolutely agree, 643 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,800 Speaker 1: because I mean, yeah, it would be harder to do 644 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 1: if it wasn't like actually an active event when it 645 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,880 Speaker 1: took I'm saying, like, you can't just blow up the 646 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,319 Speaker 1: ship at drydock. People ask questions about that, but like, 647 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 1: you know, but then again, how do you force it 648 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 1: to hit an iceberg? Like did they mess with the route? 649 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,919 Speaker 1: Like what how would you accomplish this? Right? I think 650 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 1: that's a perfect setup, nol, because we're going to go 651 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 1: into theories about accidental occurrences, but I think within those 652 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 1: we're also going to find something that could lend a 653 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 1: little credence to or answer perhaps the question of how 654 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,359 Speaker 1: someone would intentionally do this. And just to jump in 655 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,239 Speaker 1: here talking about insurance, for you know, we're discussing how 656 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,399 Speaker 1: people are definitely going to collect insurance on this. This 657 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: was a huge investment, right, No matter what happens to 658 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 1: the Titanic, if something bad happens, the people that own 659 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,399 Speaker 1: it are for sure going to try and collect as 660 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,400 Speaker 1: much as they possibly can on it, right, even like 661 00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter they in their mind. I can't say 662 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: what they're thinking, but it doesn't matter how many people 663 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: got hurt or died for the collecting of their insurance. Right, 664 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: I see what you're saying yeah, and it is tough 665 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 1: to ascribe motive without you know, hard documentation. Well, let's 666 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,439 Speaker 1: go into even less stretchy I like that turn less 667 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: stretchy theories, the idea of possible accidental occurrences one and 668 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: this is so terrible possible wrong turn. Louise Patten, who's 669 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,759 Speaker 1: the granddaughter of the ship's most senior surviving officer, the 670 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: man we mentioned, Charles A. Lighthowler, claims that he told 671 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 1: his wife a crew member turned the ship quote the 672 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,240 Speaker 1: wrong way and into the course of the iceberg after 673 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,839 Speaker 1: officer William Murdock first spotted it and gave a hard 674 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 1: starboard order. The cruise Liner was operating under two communication 675 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,879 Speaker 1: systems that were in direct conflict with one another, and 676 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,720 Speaker 1: in twenty ten Louise Patton told The Guardian UK paper 677 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: that a command to turn hard as starboard miant turn 678 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,319 Speaker 1: the wheel right under one system and left under the other. 679 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 1: Because I would imagine they would have maps of known 680 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: iceberg areas right or like, you know, if there was 681 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: a cluster, they probably would have been charted. I would 682 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 1: think it would be a little difficult because they could 683 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,600 Speaker 1: be mobile. That's true, but so but so the communication 684 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,879 Speaker 1: systems we're talking about here, there are largely visual and verbal. Well, yeah, 685 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,319 Speaker 1: there were on these were on the ship too, But 686 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 1: we have to keep in mind they got numerous warnings. 687 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 1: There were at least four different warnings throughout the day 688 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 1: leading up to the accident after midnight. So interesting, Yeah, 689 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,239 Speaker 1: so they kept on. Maybe the captain was a bit 690 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,920 Speaker 1: arrogant speaking. I just said, it's tough to ascribe motive, 691 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,560 Speaker 1: and now I'm like, listen to this guy. Well, there 692 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,279 Speaker 1: are other things too, right, There were questions about whether 693 00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 1: or not the actual materials that were used to build 694 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 1: the ship were possibly not up to snuff, or even 695 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:09,880 Speaker 1: a shortage of viewing binoculars, a shortage of an ability 696 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,760 Speaker 1: to view icebergs that had the potential to be a problem, 697 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,839 Speaker 1: which is tough, you know when you think about it. 698 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,520 Speaker 1: If that is true, if there were weak ship building materials, 699 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,280 Speaker 1: if there was a shortage of binoculars and a shortage 700 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 1: of lifeboats, this is starting to sound more and more 701 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,719 Speaker 1: like some corners were being cut outside of the public eye. 702 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,360 Speaker 1: Here is the most plausible, and this might answer that 703 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:38,680 Speaker 1: earlier question about how someone could purposefully plan to pull 704 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,920 Speaker 1: an insurance scam. If that's what if that actually happened. 705 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 1: Is the most plausible, or at least the least implausible 706 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 1: that a coal fire either significantly contributed to or is 707 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 1: directly responsible for the disaster. There's this journalist named sen 708 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,799 Speaker 1: On Maloney. I'm going to call you miss maloneium because 709 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I'm pronounce your name correctly. Maloney 710 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,400 Speaker 1: is a documentary called Titanic The New Evidence, and in 711 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,080 Speaker 1: it he argues that a fire been smoldering and bunker 712 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 1: number six, one of the ship's coal bunker boiler rooms 713 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 1: of the Titanic since the ship left Belfast, so it 714 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 1: was burning the whole time. And it sounds crazy, but 715 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:29,400 Speaker 1: it's true that coal coal has the ability to combust 716 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,399 Speaker 1: like this. Near that bunker is where the iceberg tore 717 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,880 Speaker 1: the biggest hole in the ship on its maiden voyage. 718 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:40,040 Speaker 1: According to The Independent, Maloney claims photos of the Titanic 719 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,719 Speaker 1: showed dark marks on the side of the ship not 720 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,160 Speaker 1: facing the dock, hinting at existing fire and then should 721 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 1: never been put to sea. And we have a quote 722 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 1: from Maloney for you. The official Titanic Inquiry branded the 723 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,480 Speaker 1: sinking as an act of God. This isn't a simple 724 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 1: story of colliding with an iceberg and sinking. It's a 725 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:07,279 Speaker 1: perfect storm of extraordinary factors coming together, fire, ice, and 726 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,719 Speaker 1: criminal negligence. It was very game of throne. Still that 727 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,400 Speaker 1: it really stoked to watch the finale tonight. So yeah, 728 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,960 Speaker 1: I wasn't even expecting the fire an ice bit, he 729 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,440 Speaker 1: goes on. I don't know why he talks like this, 730 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,680 Speaker 1: but he just he does. I guess. We have experts 731 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 1: telling us that when you get that level of temperature 732 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 1: against steel, it makes it brittle and reduces its strength 733 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,720 Speaker 1: by up to seventy five. The fire was known about 734 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,800 Speaker 1: and briefly addressed at the inquiry, but it was played down. 735 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 1: It is absolutely true that there was a fire on 736 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,840 Speaker 1: the ship. What we count as the newer revelatory or 737 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,920 Speaker 1: theoretical part of this is blaming the fire for the 738 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,080 Speaker 1: sinking of the ship once it hit the iceberg. Did 739 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,920 Speaker 1: the fire create weakness in the metal in the material? 740 00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,360 Speaker 1: According to an engineer for the Geological Society Even America 741 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,719 Speaker 1: and Ohio State University fellow named Robert Eisenhei, attempts to 742 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,000 Speaker 1: control the coal fire and the bunker could have been 743 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,360 Speaker 1: the reason the Titanic sailed so quickly through an area 744 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,040 Speaker 1: littered with icebergs, So that would you know in the 745 00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,160 Speaker 1: film they're trying to set a speed record, right, and 746 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,600 Speaker 1: like some kind of oceanic icarus, they go too far, 747 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:28,240 Speaker 1: too high. My analogy is not working. So the reasoning 748 00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,759 Speaker 1: here would be that they're going that quickly because they're 749 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,600 Speaker 1: having an emergency. Essentially, there's a huge issue with this fire. 750 00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,879 Speaker 1: We have to get to a dock somewhere and take 751 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:42,240 Speaker 1: care of this white possibly and to connect the dots, 752 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,120 Speaker 1: maybe JP Morgan one could argue knew about the fire 753 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,839 Speaker 1: and didn't go and to connect the dots further, if 754 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,080 Speaker 1: we're playing a little bit of a breadcrumb rabbit hole game, 755 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:58,360 Speaker 1: maybe the fire was intentional. To be fair, there is 756 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,480 Speaker 1: absolutely no hard proof of this at all. This is 757 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:08,200 Speaker 1: this is speculative, at least the JP Morgan's reaction to 758 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,520 Speaker 1: the fire. Right. There are a lot of myths about 759 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,920 Speaker 1: this sort of stuff that are becoming folklore. At this point. However, 760 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,319 Speaker 1: we do know that there really was a fire, and 761 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,640 Speaker 1: we know that this is not the end of the 762 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,239 Speaker 1: alternative theories because now we are wading into the very 763 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:31,759 Speaker 1: very strange stuff with even allegations of the paranormal. Yeah, 764 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:37,960 Speaker 1: did some man tell the future or somehow prescribe the 765 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,160 Speaker 1: events that would occur to the Titanic In a novel 766 00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:47,160 Speaker 1: written in eighteen ninety eight known as Futility or Wreck 767 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,759 Speaker 1: of the titan It was a guy named Morgan Robertson, 768 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,520 Speaker 1: and fourteen years before the Titanic menace demise, he wrote 769 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 1: a novel that had a lot of similarities to what 770 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,560 Speaker 1: happened to the Titanic, and it had to do with 771 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:07,520 Speaker 1: insurance fraud. Mmmmmmm. And they think that this guy predicted 772 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,560 Speaker 1: It was revised by the author in nineteen twelve after 773 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,360 Speaker 1: the Titanic sank, to make the ship a little bigger, 774 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,720 Speaker 1: a little different. Yeah, just like make it a little 775 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,000 Speaker 1: more similar to the events of the Titanic, probably to 776 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:27,520 Speaker 1: sell copies. And so still there are multiple purported similarities 777 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,479 Speaker 1: between the events depicted in the story and the true 778 00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,120 Speaker 1: story of Titanic, which, of course war some of us 779 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,560 Speaker 1: will call to mind the famous narrative of Arthur Gordon 780 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:41,000 Speaker 1: Pim of Nantucket, written by Edgar Allan Poe, a bizarre 781 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,279 Speaker 1: coincidence in a very dark one where Poe writes a 782 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:50,120 Speaker 1: story about some people lost at sea and survival cannibalism, 783 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,840 Speaker 1: and then later something very much like that happens. And 784 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,200 Speaker 1: don't you spoil that post story for me. I think 785 00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,880 Speaker 1: Poe did a good job of spoiling it himself. What 786 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,280 Speaker 1: are you saying. I mean, it's just not my favorite 787 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,360 Speaker 1: of his story. He's following him a hack. No, no, 788 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,680 Speaker 1: just so you know, in Robertson's tale Futility, Yeah, one 789 00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,720 Speaker 1: of the main characters or one of the characters gets 790 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,520 Speaker 1: off onto the iceberg with I believe a child and 791 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,640 Speaker 1: then is forced to do some battle with a polar 792 00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,399 Speaker 1: bear that is also making residence on the iceberg. That's 793 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,200 Speaker 1: kind of fun and terrifying. Yeah, but you know, it's 794 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,960 Speaker 1: a story that I would want to read if I 795 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:37,400 Speaker 1: was in eighteen hundreds. Speaking of Game of Thrones, is 796 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,120 Speaker 1: polar bears, zombie polar bears. It's gonna leave that right there. 797 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,839 Speaker 1: I have no idea what you're talking about. Not really 798 00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:50,120 Speaker 1: a spoiler. It's just zombie polar bears. Okay, I've just 799 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,880 Speaker 1: I've been pretending to know a Game of Thrones is 800 00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:58,680 Speaker 1: for the past several years. So Nat, please don't give 801 00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,880 Speaker 1: me your disappointed dad side. I for one feel betrayed. 802 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,319 Speaker 1: Matt Matt's the kind of guy who would not be 803 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,719 Speaker 1: mad at you, but just disappointed, which is somehow so 804 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:13,520 Speaker 1: much worse. Blame parents right well, speaking in fantastic segues, 805 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,000 Speaker 1: there are a couple others that are They're pretty strange. 806 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,480 Speaker 1: This isn't so much a conspiracy theory as a paranormal stuff. 807 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,640 Speaker 1: There was another writer in eighteen eighty six, a British 808 00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,160 Speaker 1: writer named William T. Stead who had a short story 809 00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,719 Speaker 1: called How the Atlantic Mail Steamer Went Down. A mail 810 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,360 Speaker 1: steamer in the Atlantic collides with another vessel, shortage of 811 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,480 Speaker 1: lifeboats on board caused an enormous loss of life. More 812 00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,040 Speaker 1: than a decade later, Stead was a passenger on the 813 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:47,600 Speaker 1: Titanic and he was one of the fifth around fifteen 814 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,560 Speaker 1: hundred who did not make it. Whoa and then the 815 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:55,600 Speaker 1: very last one which we saved. Because it's just so, 816 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,720 Speaker 1: it's so strange, and it feels more like creepy pasta 817 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,200 Speaker 1: or a campfire story. One of the mystical versions of 818 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:07,799 Speaker 1: the crash is associated with the legendary folkloreic Curse of 819 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,880 Speaker 1: the Pharaohs. An ill fated ship was carrying the mummy 820 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,919 Speaker 1: of an ancient Egyptian priestess that belonged to Lord Centerville, 821 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,680 Speaker 1: shipping it to New York via the Titanic, remember the 822 00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,400 Speaker 1: whole shipping days of these boats still happening. To avoid 823 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,759 Speaker 1: the damage, the box with the exhibit was placed on 824 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:33,359 Speaker 1: the captain's bridge allegedly allegedly allegedly, and at the head 825 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,800 Speaker 1: of the mummy there was a statue of Osiris according 826 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,120 Speaker 1: to the story. Osiris, of course, as we remember, as 827 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,839 Speaker 1: the Egyptian god of death. The words inscribed on this 828 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,719 Speaker 1: were allegedly allegedly allegedly rise from the ashes and let 829 00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:51,120 Speaker 1: your eyes strike those who stand in your way. So 830 00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:56,080 Speaker 1: is it talking about the iceberg or the boat? Well, 831 00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,279 Speaker 1: you know, we could do an entire episode. I would 832 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,560 Speaker 1: be surprised if our friends at suff you missed in 833 00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,279 Speaker 1: history classes stuff you should know, haven't already done an 834 00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:07,200 Speaker 1: episode on the alleged curse of the Pharaohs. We've done one, 835 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,960 Speaker 1: haven't we. I know, we did a video. We did 836 00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:15,760 Speaker 1: a video, but we haven't done write it down. Guys, 837 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,200 Speaker 1: here we go, do do Yeah, So we have some 838 00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,200 Speaker 1: great ideas for upcoming stuff. There we have. We have 839 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:27,400 Speaker 1: the bizarre origins of otherwise innocuous things. Kello Cereal Graham 840 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:32,040 Speaker 1: crackers shout out to our friends at food Stuff who 841 00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,759 Speaker 1: delve into some excellent history and culture of food if 842 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,520 Speaker 1: you want to check that out. And then we also 843 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:46,360 Speaker 1: have the the Pharaoh's curse, so we hope that you have. 844 00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:51,000 Speaker 1: We hope that you have enjoyed exploring these alternative theories. 845 00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,880 Speaker 1: At this point, most people are the vast majority of 846 00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:01,880 Speaker 1: humanity believe the official narrative, with the strongest other contender 847 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:08,200 Speaker 1: being the idea that there was a fire contributing to 848 00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:15,279 Speaker 1: the disaster. The other stuff is interesting and it leads 849 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:20,200 Speaker 1: us to a bunch of different possible threads, right, but 850 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:21,719 Speaker 1: in the end way, what do you what do you 851 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,880 Speaker 1: guys think? For me, it remains a tragedy that happened 852 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,600 Speaker 1: because of a lot of a domino effect of things 853 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:34,160 Speaker 1: that were occurring. And maybe it's just I'm too deep 854 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,680 Speaker 1: in the official story, but I still see it as 855 00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:42,240 Speaker 1: that way. Nothing has convinced me thus far about this stuff, 856 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,319 Speaker 1: although the fire thing that's the closest I would say, well, 857 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:51,560 Speaker 1: the official story also as corroborating firsthand witnesses in terms 858 00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,960 Speaker 1: of survivors, people who were actually there. I think it 859 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,840 Speaker 1: would be amazing if somebody could replace an entire ship 860 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:04,640 Speaker 1: and disguise it. It's but it's so amazing and astonishing 861 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:10,520 Speaker 1: because it borders on insanity in terms of planning, and 862 00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,719 Speaker 1: it seems very difficult. What do you think? No, I 863 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,479 Speaker 1: think it was those fat cats standards of industry, just 864 00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:22,480 Speaker 1: like wanting to kill everybody for insurance money, and they 865 00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,080 Speaker 1: knew they were gonna get a life boat. You know, 866 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,319 Speaker 1: they just colluded to I don't know, man, I it's 867 00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,200 Speaker 1: I guess it just depends on who who holds the policy, 868 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,560 Speaker 1: like who specifically holds the policy to benefit from thinking. 869 00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,239 Speaker 1: But still, even at that level, it feels you guys, 870 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,120 Speaker 1: remember that board game mouse Trap that barely ever worked. Yeah, 871 00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:45,440 Speaker 1: it feels like a level of unnecessary complexity comparable to 872 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,560 Speaker 1: mouse Trap. Even in those days, I mean you had 873 00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:54,080 Speaker 1: some semblance of like, you know, sniper kind of equivalent 874 00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:58,000 Speaker 1: of it, or poisoning or someone gets someone with a 875 00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:02,000 Speaker 1: terminal disease to perform a hit so that their family 876 00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,000 Speaker 1: can benefit. Oh yeah, no, that wouldn't get you the 877 00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,279 Speaker 1: insurance money. But you know, what was the problem? What 878 00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,880 Speaker 1: was the issue? What? You know? It seems like an 879 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,080 Speaker 1: awful you could get if you wanted to make a 880 00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,239 Speaker 1: quick buck on an insurance scam. You think you do 881 00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,360 Speaker 1: it with like life insurance for a human or like 882 00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, like like building a gazillion dollar luxury liner 883 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:28,960 Speaker 1: and then arranging it to sink with people on it 884 00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,640 Speaker 1: so to collect the insurance money. It just doesn't seem 885 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,560 Speaker 1: to add up to Maybe they've got into deep. They 886 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,480 Speaker 1: build three of them, right, and that is true. That 887 00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,200 Speaker 1: is true, and that would be an equivalent of just 888 00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:44,160 Speaker 1: under six hundred million dollars. But still, oh yes, that's 889 00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,439 Speaker 1: our other episode. We're going to find out how much 890 00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:51,160 Speaker 1: each of us is worth justin I think justin raw 891 00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,520 Speaker 1: materials is probably the best way, you know, like our 892 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:59,400 Speaker 1: people ever gonna boil us down for copper. We did 893 00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,359 Speaker 1: the illegal organ trading stuff, maybe we could we could 894 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,680 Speaker 1: figure out, like what would each of our organs be 895 00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,160 Speaker 1: worth on the black market, and then what would be 896 00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,759 Speaker 1: the lifetime value of us, like in like you know, 897 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,080 Speaker 1: slave labor. I don't know, jeez. Yeah, yeah, that's a 898 00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,360 Speaker 1: that's a great episode to do. Check out the Red 899 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,840 Speaker 1: Market if you have not, if you haven't listened to 900 00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,440 Speaker 1: it yet, but do make sure you're not listening to 901 00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,480 Speaker 1: it while you're eating it. Is there is some very 902 00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:30,520 Speaker 1: disturbing content in there, and most importantly, we would like 903 00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,000 Speaker 1: to know what you think about these stories. One of 904 00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,320 Speaker 1: the more interesting things to us, I believe in these 905 00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:41,160 Speaker 1: sorts of situations is that so much time has passed, 906 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:48,960 Speaker 1: you know that there's a pretty clearly cemented concept or 907 00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:53,440 Speaker 1: narrative that every upon which everybody agrees. But as we know, 908 00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:58,080 Speaker 1: those sorts of things can be overturned often throughout human civilization. 909 00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,000 Speaker 1: In a it's it's terrifying how often that can happen. 910 00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,200 Speaker 1: We have to remember, this is a species that totally 911 00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:08,000 Speaker 1: thought Troy was a made up city for centuries and 912 00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,280 Speaker 1: then some guy found it and it's real. So we'd 913 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,320 Speaker 1: like to hear your take, not just on this, what 914 00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:18,760 Speaker 1: on other maritime disasters of human history, or your opinion 915 00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,920 Speaker 1: on cruises. 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