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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast, the third hour of The Clay Travis

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Speaker 1: buck Sexton Show. Already here fly and buy today if

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Speaker 1: you want to talk to us. We'll get to some

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Speaker 1: calls back of this hour. Eight hundred two eight two

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Speaker 1: two eight eight two. Ukraine will break it down. I'll

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Speaker 1: put on my I don't know an x CIA had.

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Speaker 1: Is that a thing? I'll put on my XCIA had, Clay,

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Speaker 1: and I'll get into the latest here. I think the

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Speaker 1: biggest implications, of course, what it means for US military,

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Speaker 1: US involvement, which I think this whole audience knows. We

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Speaker 1: do not want to go to war in any capacity

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Speaker 1: with Russia over Ukraine. I think. I think that's where.

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Speaker 1: But let's talk about who's pushing for what and what

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Speaker 1: the Biden regime is doing right now, we will get

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Speaker 1: into all of that. You got one guy who will

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Speaker 1: be familiar to some of you from the second impeachment

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Speaker 1: of Trump, who's saying we could be on the cusp

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Speaker 1: of a World War two style war in Europe, which

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Speaker 1: is completely insane. We I mean, Clay, it's nut. So

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Speaker 1: do you just well, I mean, I want I want

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Speaker 1: to really dive into this Ukraine thing because I was

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Speaker 1: having a conversation with my wife last night and my

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Speaker 1: oldest son, and I think the vast majority of people

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Speaker 1: out there, first of all, couldn't point to Ukraine on

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Speaker 1: a map. Let's start here, Democrats, Republicans, Independence, Most people

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Speaker 1: don't know anything about Ukraine. I had to look it

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Speaker 1: up and have you been to Ukraine? Have not? Okay?

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Speaker 1: I mean you've been all over the world, so I

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Speaker 1: thought you might have been to Ukraine. And I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people's question is why why should I care?

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Speaker 1: That's the question that I get the most commonly about Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: And so you are the former CIA spook. You are

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Speaker 1: the guy who has knowledge of international affairs, frankly on

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Speaker 1: a level that I do not. Why should I and

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Speaker 1: many people out there like me who are not aggressively

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Speaker 1: following foreign affairs in Eastern Europe? Why should I care

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Speaker 1: about what happens in Ukraine? Very good question that not

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Speaker 1: a lot of people have a particularly good answer. Two.

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Speaker 1: Right now, let's I kind of just put a pit

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Speaker 1: in that question. We're going to Let's let's do Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Let's do Ukraine. But I just want to I mentioned

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Speaker 1: the World War two style war. This is Lieutenant Colonel Vinman.

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Speaker 1: Remember this guy from the Ukraine phone call everybody where? Oh,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump needed to be impeached over this. It was

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Speaker 1: the whole thing was so absurd. Of course, now Vinman

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Speaker 1: was he was a veteran. He's nonpartisan. That's what they

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Speaker 1: were saying. Here's what he's saying now about this. I

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Speaker 1: think we're basically just on the cusp of war. I

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Speaker 1: think it's all but certain in my mind that there's

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Speaker 1: going to be a large European war on the order

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Speaker 1: of magnitude of World War Two, with air power, seapower,

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Speaker 1: massive ground forces offensives. I think that at this point

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Speaker 1: we also need to start preparing for the day after

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Speaker 1: the day of that outcome, for the humanitarian catastrophe that's

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Speaker 1: going to unfold in Europe. And we're going to have

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Speaker 1: to be seismic effects on the geopolitical landscape, the economic landscape.

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Speaker 1: The American people should be aware of because they're going

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Speaker 1: to be direct impacts on the US economy, on US

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Speaker 1: national security, and we should just be doing everything we

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Speaker 1: can to prepare for that. But the ball is in

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Speaker 1: Putin's court. Okay, this is there's so much wrong here

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Speaker 1: that it's hard to even just say it's wrong. Let's

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Speaker 1: start with forty to sixty million people, depending on whose

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Speaker 1: estimates died in the Second World War, civilians, military, all

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Speaker 1: in the bombings, everything. Forty to sixty million is the

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Speaker 1: it roughly forty million. And that's insane. That's not going

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Speaker 1: to happen. Clay, we already had Russia take CRIMEA. Russia

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Speaker 1: is already at war in some capacity in eastern Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: and it is not causing a conflagration that's brought in

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Speaker 1: Right we care because we don't want war anywhere, but

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Speaker 1: what do we do about it? In this context, the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration is considering moving US military right on the

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Speaker 1: periphery of Ukraine to be in NATO countries. What's that

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Speaker 1: really going to do. There's a big difference in Poutin

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Speaker 1: Right now, I think that's at least understood. But if

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Speaker 1: there will be international outrage and sanctions. It's not going

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Speaker 1: to turn into World War two, though, And that's just

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Speaker 1: unhelpful and I think kind of crazy to say at

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Speaker 1: I support democracy around the war world. When I say

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Speaker 1: of why should I care about the United States getting

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Speaker 1: where you would send your sons in ten years in

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Speaker 1: be opposed. I've got three boys. I would be opposed

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Speaker 1: against Russia invading there. Some of you out there may disagree.

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Speaker 1: The bigger picture question, I guess buck is if Putin

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Speaker 1: what may happen in Ukraine, if he took a limited, muted,

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Speaker 1: that he could further invade. Do we get into a situation,

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Speaker 1: I mean other countries. Do we get into a situation

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Speaker 1: realities of what the Russian military could even accomplish if

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Speaker 1: they took the most expansion expansionist and aggressive posture, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean the Russian economy is under two trillion dollars

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Speaker 1: these acts. There are red lines. Invading a NATO country

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Speaker 1: as a redline. Now, you can you can argue about

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Speaker 1: but that is a red line. Right. We are contractually

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Speaker 1: we're dealing with a different circumstance here. And Russia already

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Speaker 1: I do think it's funny they didn't try any this

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Speaker 1: here's my concern. We've never really seen this happen with

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Speaker 1: a country that has nuclear weapons. Right. We understand that

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Speaker 1: get nuclear weapons. But it's almost like your shadow boxing

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Speaker 1: when I hear, oh, we're gonna have a World War

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Speaker 1: two style battle. Well, yeah, but in World War Two,

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Speaker 1: just Buck, if you've ever seen, you know, a schoolhouse fight.

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Speaker 1: seizing territory. Yes, with people that are culturally linguistically different

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Speaker 1: very complicated thing. Now, another complicating factor in this is

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Speaker 1: it's not as cut and dry. It's obviously not the

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Speaker 1: We were happy to see that at least some lives

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Speaker 1: the view, Clay, Oh no, how dare Bill Maher talk

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Speaker 1: of it. That's not really funny. To people who have

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Speaker 1: get it, we get it. Here, here's the thing, here's

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Speaker 1: So she hates that. But notice how her thing is fine.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to do it. You just don't ever

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Speaker 1: That's actually not acceptable to me. It's also not effective

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Speaker 1: even if you are Remember, there used to be a

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Speaker 1: Even Saint Fauci of the left wing is saying it.

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Speaker 1: targeting me? Is it because I'm doing the right thing?

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Speaker 1: Is it because we're exposing what people don't want exposed. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's the tarragon of journalism. It's what I write about

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Speaker 1: in this book called American Muckraker. Certainly they've been coming

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Speaker 1: after me for years for exposing what people don't want expose.

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Speaker 1: But there's a lot of unanswered questions, and I don't

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Speaker 1: know what the answer to those questions are. Yeah, James,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry to pose another question that I

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Speaker 1: think you probably will have a difficult time answer because

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure in fact, out Wage or the DJ

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Speaker 1: couldn't even really answer it. But even even taking their

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Speaker 1: stolen property premise for a moment, and I'm essentially asking

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Speaker 1: you now to go into the minds of the American

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Speaker 1: checa for those who are historians or know about the

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Speaker 1: secret police inside of Russia pre KGB. They're telling you

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Speaker 1: that it was a stolen a stolen journal. How is

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Speaker 1: that a federal crime? That's a part of the How

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Speaker 1: would that be the FBI? I mean, it's it's someone's diary,

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Speaker 1: first of all. Well, first of all, it appears not

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Speaker 1: to be not to have been stolen by virtue of

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Speaker 1: their own admissions in recent revelations and documents in New

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Speaker 1: York Times, stories where it was a band. Right, important point, James.

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Speaker 1: But but let's just say, I mean, I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: say their pretext here, which clearly it is a pretext.

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Speaker 1: Care man, I don't think they care. I really don't.

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Speaker 1: I was incarcerated in twenty ten in a story which

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Speaker 1: I write about American muckraker, where they had me in

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Speaker 1: shackles and they said, oh, you the boy that did

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Speaker 1: m acorn story. They're referring to a story that about Acorn.

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Speaker 1: These federal officials in New Orleans we remember that one.

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Speaker 1: N Yeah, and then they said, oh you the boy

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Speaker 1: that did the aco. We don't have to keep you overn.

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Speaker 1: This is about power. This isn't about justice or law

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Speaker 1: or standards or anything. They would never ever ever raid

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Speaker 1: a home of a sixty minutes reporter, obviously, because that

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Speaker 1: would create a backlash, and in this case, Buck, it

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Speaker 1: did create a bashlash by the ACLU. The a CLU

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Speaker 1: defended me, The Reporters Committee defended me. The Society Professional Journalists.

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Speaker 1: How many times in your career have you, guys seen

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Speaker 1: the ACLU defend someone like me? Because the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: of the United States is established in bart Nikki Vievopper

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Speaker 1: from two thousand and one that a journalist has a right,

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Speaker 1: a constitutional right to receive a document from a source,

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Speaker 1: even if that document was stolen by a third party,

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Speaker 1: so long as I had nothing to do with the theft.

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Speaker 1: Why the FBI is rating journalists' homes over someone's diary, Well,

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Speaker 1: that's a question, you know, that's a question. It seems

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Speaker 1: to have a self evident answer, but I don't want

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Speaker 1: to speculate. But furthermore, why are the Fed's involved? And obviously,

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Speaker 1: you know is slightly terrifying at the time, but we

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Speaker 1: has not stopped us. If anything, that's emboldened us. More

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Speaker 1: people are coming to us now than ever before because

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Speaker 1: they seem to trust us by virtue of the fact

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Speaker 1: that we are being targeted by our government. Well, first

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Speaker 1: of all, I give credit to the ACLU for standing

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Speaker 1: on principle here as opposed to standing on politics, because

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Speaker 1: it's one hundred percent the right side to be defending you.

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Speaker 1: But we know that the ACOU has not always been

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Speaker 1: standing on principle of late. But I just want to

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Speaker 1: ask you this, James. I think it's kind of a

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Speaker 1: fascinating question. Imagine that Ivanka Trump had had a journal

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Speaker 1: that contained potentially disparaging commentary about Donald Trump, and that

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Speaker 1: journal had made its way to a journalist, and while

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Speaker 1: Trump was president, the FBI had rated that journalists home.

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Speaker 1: The resulting fallout is what I mean. It's it's that

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Speaker 1: that's a paradox, because because that would never happen, it's

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Speaker 1: an American paradox. And I think that this we're living

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Speaker 1: through history. I don't know how else to put it.

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Speaker 1: I write in this book American Muckraker. You know the

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Speaker 1: suffering that we have to endure citizens for doing the

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Speaker 1: right thing, and the pain. Clearly you have to be

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Speaker 1: a masochist to do what we do here, because no

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Speaker 1: one wants to be in handcuffs. They put me in handcuffs.

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Speaker 1: They had a battering ram at six am, and they

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Speaker 1: rated my home. And it was a kind of psychological

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Speaker 1: carnage for doing the right thing, by the way, because

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Speaker 1: you want it. You want to be presented with a paradox.

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Speaker 1: Here is one. What should I have done? If someone

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Speaker 1: sends me a document, we try to corroborate it. I

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Speaker 1: failed to, or at least I thought I failed to

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Speaker 1: authenticate the document. It appears to have been authenticated by now.

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Speaker 1: But at the time you stumble across something as a reporter,

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Speaker 1: you try to corroborate, you try do the right thing.

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Speaker 1: And I said, you know what, I don't think public

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Speaker 1: eye should see this, that these these writings because I

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Speaker 1: can't verify them if they occurred and if it belongs

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Speaker 1: to her with one hundred percent accuracy. And then I

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Speaker 1: tried to give it back to local law enforcement in Florida,

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Speaker 1: and then my home gets ready and they put me

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Speaker 1: in handcuffs. So this is a dystopian piece of science fiction.

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Speaker 1: But I think if you keep going, and this is

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Speaker 1: the message of my book, American Muckraker, if you keep going.

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Speaker 1: We just had a story last week involved documents from

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Speaker 1: the Department of Defense that then Anthony Fauci talked about

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Speaker 1: them in the Senate. The the source came to us

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Speaker 1: with those documents precisely because the FBI is targeting Project Veritas,

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Speaker 1: and because The New York Times works in harmony with

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Speaker 1: the FBI. This is the reality that we're living in,

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Speaker 1: and we have to figure out how to do journalism

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Speaker 1: in clown world. We're speaking to James O'Keefe. He has

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Speaker 1: a new book out American muckraker and James, I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna put this out there, how many journalists even in

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Speaker 1: back channel, right, because obviously, if you work at CNN

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Speaker 1: or New York Times, whom I think our journalistic entities

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Speaker 1: that are devoted to the destruction of conservatism and conservatives generally,

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Speaker 1: but you specifically, I think that's fair to say. I

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Speaker 1: think they would be very pleased to see you not

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Speaker 1: only ruined professionally, but even in prison if they could,

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Speaker 1: if they could get away with it. Do any journalists though,

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Speaker 1: reach out to you who are from mainstream publications and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: I just appreciate that you actually do what we pretend

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Speaker 1: to do. Or are they too scared? I would say

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Speaker 1: they're too scared to say that publicly. Many do reach out, some,

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Speaker 1: in fact, do do it publicly. Ben smiths at the

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Speaker 1: New York Times, and I think he was quite courageous.

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Speaker 1: Now what's ironic is that he just left The New

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00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: York Times. I don't know if these two are related.

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Speaker 1: Ben Smith came out and said journalists should not be

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Speaker 1: cheerleading the attacks against Project Ritas, and once Ben gave

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Speaker 1: others the permission to do so, you had a lot

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Speaker 1: of others come out, like Trevor tim at Freedom of

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Speaker 1: the Press Foundation. But most of these things that people

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Speaker 1: say are said covertly, you know. For example, we have

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Speaker 1: a story I'll break a little news on your program

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Speaker 1: of New York Times reporters who are you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: covertly recorded that's going to be coming out in a

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Speaker 1: few weeks. And the things that they say, and the

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Speaker 1: things that we've heard people say inside CNN is that

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Speaker 1: CNN is not doing what they're supposed to do. But

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Speaker 1: most of these people, of course want them. They have

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Speaker 1: their mortgage, and they have their pensions, and they have

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Speaker 1: their material possessions in life, and they're too afraid to

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Speaker 1: go against the established narrative because, let's face it, the

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Speaker 1: New York Times and CNN have enormous power because of

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Speaker 1: the power that's granted to them by the algorithms at tech.

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Speaker 1: So if you go against that orthodoxy, you will be

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Speaker 1: you will be targeted, defamed, you know, have your reputation

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Speaker 1: dragged through the mud. And people just don't like that.

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Speaker 1: I write about in this book, how to survive that

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Speaker 1: psychological abuse, how to deal with it, how to muster

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Speaker 1: of people who did blow the whistle and did take

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Speaker 1: majority of people on our side. James O'Keefe, founder of

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Speaker 1: Project Veritas American muck Raker, is the book James, Stay Safe, Man,

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