1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson 3 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: and I'm Holly Frye. We talked, we talked about, we 4 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: didn't talk about. We just had our unearthed episodes, our 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: most recent installment of them. Yeah, this week for the 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: whole week, starting off with so many updates. An update 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: that I didn't put in there but would technically be 8 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: an update is that last time on on Earth we 9 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:42,319 Speaker 1: talked about Remeisa Osturk, who is the graduate student at 10 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: Tufts who had been snatched off the street by playing 11 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: clothes officers. Yeah. She was released on May ninth. She 12 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: had been in custody for about six weeks. A judge 13 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: found that she was neither a flight risk nor a threat, 14 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: and also that the government had provided zero evidence for 15 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: its baseless claim that she supported Hamas. Again, the only 16 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: thing that was actually cited in her being taken into 17 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: custody was an op ed that she co authored in 18 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: the school newspaper that was criticizing the Toughs administration's response 19 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: to a resolution that was passed by the student Senate 20 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: that was about Israel and Palestine. Right there, was never 21 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,199 Speaker 1: anything to suggest that she was a threat in any way. 22 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: There are various immigration proceedings that are still going on. 23 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: Some of them there's three different states. There's stuff happening 24 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: in Boston right now. So in terms of like the 25 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: emigration hearing that's still ongoing, what the government basically did 26 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: was they canceled her student visa and didn't tell her 27 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: about it, and then arrested her. So that is to 28 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: sort of an update on that. I found. I was 29 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: watching somebody like basically live blog the hearing that was 30 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: happening on May ninth. I was on vacation. I was 31 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: eating my lunch at Laughing Seed, which is was a 32 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: vegetarian restaurant in Asheville that very sadly announced that it 33 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: was closing right after I got back, and I had 34 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: kind of gushed at the server about how excited I 35 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: was to be there because it is like it was, 36 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: you know, one of my very favorite restaurants when I 37 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,119 Speaker 1: lived in Ashville and when I was in college. And 38 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: when the server came to give me the check, I 39 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: had just seen the part about her being released on 40 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: her own recognaissance and I was crying and I wanted 41 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: to say to the server. I'm not crying about the restaurant. 42 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: The announcement had not happened that the restaurant was closing. 43 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: Otherwise I might have also been crying about the restaurant. 44 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: But I got that news while I was on vacation. 45 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: I was very emotional about it. Something else that I 46 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: think people might be wondering why we didn't talk about 47 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: at the beginning of part one we were talking about 48 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 1: things that are still happening that are affecting the show 49 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: is the Supreme Court's decision lifting a lower courts injunction 50 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: allowing the big cuts at the Department of Education. The 51 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: thing is that is not directly related to our show, 52 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: but I think a lot of people think that it 53 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: is related to our show because they think the Department 54 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: of Education has something to do with history curricula and 55 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: other curricula around the country. Right, it does not dismantling 56 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: the Department of Education is not going to quote return 57 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: curricula to the states. Curricula is always it's already handled 58 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: by the states. Yeah. If anything, one state, that being Texas, 59 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: has an influence on all the other states because Texas 60 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: buys so many textbooks that textbook publishers cater to them 61 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: align their stuff with Texas curricula, which means Texas is 62 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: who is setting a lot of the thing, not the 63 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: federal government dismantling the Department of Education is also not 64 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: going to repeal No Child Left Behind. No Child Left 65 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: Behind was repealed in twenty fifteen, too late, up late. 66 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: None of this has anything to do with history curricula. 67 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: It doesn't have to do with other curricula. What the 68 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: Department of Education is actually responsible for is stuff like 69 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: providing funding to school systems that don't have a lot 70 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: of money, providing support for disabled students so that they 71 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: can have the free, appropriate public education that they are 72 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: legally entitled to. A lot of stuff related to protecting 73 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: students civil rights, like investigating claims that students have been 74 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: discriminated against because of their age, or their race, or 75 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: their sex or a disability. That is the Department of Education. 76 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: The departm of Education also administers the federal Student Loan program. 77 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: None of that has to do with educational curricula that 78 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: was already being handled by the states. So that is 79 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: why I did not talk about it. And part one. 80 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: The other thing is the news about the Supreme Court 81 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: decision related to that happened as I was finishing. I 82 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: heard that at like five pm as I was doing 83 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: the final read through of the episode outline, and I 84 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: was like, I cannot have another thing right now. Also, 85 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: just to continue on that for a minute, the signs 86 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: at the national parks, like the American Historical Association statement said, 87 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: there were already plenty of ways to give feedback on 88 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: the parks. This is basically inviting people to make the 89 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: worst faith interpretations of what they see at historical sites 90 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: and then have those complaints review by people who are 91 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: very eager to interpret something like slavery's legacy can still 92 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: be felt today as you are a bad person who 93 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: should feel bad something that we have seen again and 94 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: our and our listener mail from folks who sort of 95 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: hear something very different from what we said on the podcast. 96 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: We very recently got an email from someone who said 97 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: they were not going to listen to the show anymore 98 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: because they said we said that the government was shutting 99 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: down all libraries and universities and that, and that the 100 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: government was telling everyone who wasn't a white male to 101 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: leave the country. Like we didn't say anything even vaguely 102 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: like either no, not even no, like some of those 103 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: words existed. Although I will say this, I'm not going 104 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: to say that. Just know in my heart I have 105 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: just had a very non magnanimous and unkind read. Yeah. Yeah, 106 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: like it is just a very established pattern of behavior 107 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: that they there are people who go to museums and 108 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: historical sites and see things that are accurately depicted about 109 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: atrocities that happened at a site in the past, or 110 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: slavery or sexism or whatever, and then take that in 111 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: a weird personally defensive direction, yes, and turn it into 112 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: something that is not what that said at all, and 113 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: then file complaints about it and try to get people 114 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: fired and dos people and et cetera. So I don't 115 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: I don't like the science No. One two. And I 116 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: will say, one of the reasons this really hits my heart, 117 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: aside from its just existence being built on like the 118 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: invitation of these bad reads, is that we have been, 119 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: you know, fortunate enough to do shows at museums and 120 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: national parks and talk to people who work in those 121 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: kinds of spaces, and they are all I mean, I 122 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: don't think we have run into anybody who was not 123 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: working so hard to make sure people understand the nuanced 124 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: nature of history and how you can't really appreciate any 125 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: of the good parts if you're not also acknowledging the 126 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: bad parts, and how that push and play has worked historically. 127 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: And so it just feels like all at once slapping 128 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: all of those wonderful people in the face, and it 129 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: makes me very irate. Yeah, I was trying to make 130 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: a mental list. We've done live shows at Adam's National 131 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: Historical Park. Huh Gettysburg? Yeah? 132 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 2: Should. 133 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: I can't remember if that's a site or a monument 134 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: or like exactly what it says. The designation is Women's 135 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: Rights National Historic Site. Yeah, I'm saying all these do 136 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: memory that, So I might be getting it wrong in 137 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: terms of like whether it's a historical park or a 138 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: national park or a historical site or whatever. Were there 139 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: any others that were like National park related? Oh girl, 140 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: my memory should not be I should not be questioned 141 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: in this way. Those are the ones that I'm remembering 142 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: in this moment. And like Holly just said, every single 143 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: person that we worked with in all of these places 144 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: cares about their job, cares about being accurate, cares about 145 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: having a thorough and respectful look back at what happened 146 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: in this place. None of them are like, I don't know, 147 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: like like there was nobody that we have interacted with 148 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: in any of these shows that has been either just 149 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: like phoning it in or trying to make weird commentary 150 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: in order to make white people feel bad like that. Yeah, 151 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a thing, but also not a 152 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: national park. But I remember when we were at Royal 153 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: House and slave Quarters, oh yeah, and interviewing the people 154 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: there in one of the docents, talking about a child 155 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: asking her a question about one of the enslavers whose 156 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: portrait is on the wall who looked like her and 157 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: having that moment of revelation, and this person trying so 158 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: hard to very carefully craft a response that was clear 159 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: and truthful and fair without breaking this child down. And 160 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, they're working so hard already to do this 161 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: in a way that is meaningful. Er. Yeah, like we 162 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: said in our previous installment of Unearthed, this is not 163 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: even a tenth of everything that's going on, just the 164 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: parts that are like directly related to our show and 165 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: our words. Yeah, unrelated to any of these things. I 166 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: vote that we bring back inconsistent spelling. I mean, we 167 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: kind of have. We just haven't accepted it yet, right, Yeah. Yeah, 168 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: I am saying this as a person who, for my 169 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: job was a copy editor. For my job was the 170 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: person who like created the style manual and maintained it 171 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: for the website that we worked for. And a person 172 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: who I would say in my younger years as a 173 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: less mature person corrected other random people as though it 174 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: were my job. But none of that was useful. The 175 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: spelling of pamphlet that we read off in the pamphlet 176 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: about cheese was one of the most delightful things. Uh, 177 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: And you know, a person who is able to read, which, 178 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: to be fair, there are a lot of people who 179 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: struggle with literacy, but like I think, a person who 180 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: is able to read is gonna know that pamfl Yt 181 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: spells pamphlet. And it delighted me so much to see 182 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 1: that spelling, and I would just like that have more 183 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: of that in my life. 184 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 2: Yeah. 185 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: I also had this hilarious personal thought about the cheese pamphlet. Okay, 186 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: because I know I've told you before and I'm pretty 187 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: confident we have talked about it on the show before 188 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: that when I was a kid, I used to write 189 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: pamphlets and leave them around. No, I think you did 190 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: leave them around my house in an effort to educate 191 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: my family. Yeah, I was a delightful child, shaking my head. No, well, 192 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: I just said that I was correcting other people's grammar 193 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: like it was my job. So I was real concerned 194 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: that those backwards people I lived with were really not 195 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: connecting enough with the history of the moon. And I 196 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: would write these pamphlets all the time about any given subject, 197 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: like I would go I would be like this week foxes, 198 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: and I would look up everything I knew about foxes 199 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: and write pamphlets. And so part of me was like, 200 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: I almost wish we could find out that this cheese 201 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: pamphlet was not the scholarly work that it has been 202 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: interpreted as, but was It's just some like nerdy dork 203 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: of a child. It was like, I love cheese, so funny. 204 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: I did not read this whole book. I think it 205 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: was one hundred and twelve pages long, if I remember correctly, 206 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: And as much as I would have loved to have 207 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: read one hundred and twelve pages about cheese, I had 208 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: work to do and I was already running behind. But 209 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 1: one of the things that I read that was sort 210 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: of announcing that this work had been digitized, said, the 211 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: parts of it are really gross, and I kind of 212 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: want to, in a day when I am not quite 213 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: so on deadline, go back and find out what the 214 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: gross parts were of the Cheese book. It sounds great. 215 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: I can imagine some things that they could have been, 216 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: and some of them might be things that might not 217 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: phase me at all. So I'm curious. Yeah, like you know, Rennet, Rennet, 218 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: the various micro organisms that you got to have in 219 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: the in the works, you know, the mold. Yeah, that's 220 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: part of the deal. There are things about cheese that 221 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: people find squeamish making that I'm like, No, that's where 222 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: cheese comes from. Cheese is milk that has been spoiled 223 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: in a controlled way, right, and it's delicious. I love 224 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: it too. I love cheese. I really liked our adult 225 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: discussion of the Bayou tapestry, h mostly because it once 226 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: again brings to mind the tapestry made by the spiders 227 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: of Tarantulon six over Futurama. There's an episode of Futurama 228 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: where's Zat Brannigan and the Earth Military Art have invaded 229 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: tarantul On six and as they are invading this planet 230 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: that has made no aggressive moves towards humans. The spiders 231 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: that live there are actually spinning this tapestry as everything 232 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: is playing out, and it ends up in a museum. 233 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: But it makes me it's it's joke about the Byo tapestry, 234 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: and I think about it every time the bio tapestry 235 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: comes up in our work, except there are no penises 236 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: on that one. To the best of my knowledge, I 237 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: don't know if it still exists, but there used to be, 238 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: you know, a thing that you could go to online 239 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: and it was like a bio tapestry generator, and you 240 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: could pick little elements from the tapestry, which is really embroidery, 241 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: and you could like put in words in the sort 242 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: of font that it uses, and you can make your 243 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: own little images things. And very early in our time 244 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: on the podcast, you and I were struggling because we 245 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: were getting a lot of negative feedback to put it generously, 246 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: and someone made us one of these that I can't 247 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: quote because it had had a squear word in it, 248 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: but it was basically saying Tracy and Holly say QUI 249 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: complaining using various Bydy tapestry pieces and and the font 250 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: and it was very charming, and I loved it, and 251 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: I would periodically go over there and make myself little 252 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: pictures to amuse myself. And then at some point it 253 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: wasn't working anymore. And I have not thought of that, 254 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: and for years until just now me either, But now 255 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: you remind me of how because that was a non 256 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: delightful time in our careers. I had written in my 257 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: big honkin date book, which I have talked about many 258 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: times because I always love to keep multiple calendars, like 259 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: I had gone forward like six months and picked a 260 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: date six months from the day that I was writing 261 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: it that said, if it still sucks, it's okay to 262 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: quit now, okay, And like I had given it six 263 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: months of like this is what I think I can handle, 264 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: And by that time I was like, oh h, everything's fine, 265 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: it's fine, fine, we'll just keep going before Yeah, okay, 266 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: out here. It is more than ten years later, So 267 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: many more than ten years later, Tracy, Like, we're on 268 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: what third twelve years twelve? I think it was twenty 269 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: thirteen when you and I joined. Oh yeah, I did 270 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: my first episode in twenty twelve. Yeah, yeah, you were 271 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: prepping because I was going to be on a vacation 272 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: and I was joining after I got back from the vacation. Yes, 273 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: and I was filling in for DUBLINO while she was out. 274 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 275 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: So yeah, long time, we've been doing this shit more 276 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: than six months. It's fine. Yeah, we made it through 277 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: that first period. I had another period that I was struggling, 278 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: not because of this podcast. Before my job became only 279 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: this podcast, there was a period of years where I 280 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: was basically doing multiple jobs and that part got really 281 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: hard before I realized I needed to say that I 282 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: needed to only have one job. Yeah, And I had 283 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: a calendar on my wall, and I had some of 284 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: those little circle stickers and different colors that you can 285 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: get an office supply stores, and I was basically marking 286 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: the calendar, like the really bad days. I was marking 287 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: on the calendar so I could actually see, like how 288 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: often is the day really bad? Because sometimes when you 289 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: have a couple or three really bad days in a row, 290 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 1: it feels like you have been in a bad time forever. 291 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: And it just helped me see, okay, like is it 292 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: that my job is awful every day? Or is that 293 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: I'm having one hard day every week and it feels 294 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: like it's perpetual, and that helps me just keep things 295 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: in perspective and also helps me realize, yes, it is 296 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: time for me to talk to my managers about only 297 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: having one job now, which helped a lot of things. Yeah, 298 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: I seem to never quite get to only one job. Yeah. 299 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: Every time I think I have something else pops up 300 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: and it's like something up. Yeah, that's a new thing's happened. 301 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: You also host an entire additional show in addition to 302 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: the one do and then occasional other shows. Yeah, and 303 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:09,959 Speaker 1: just you know, other stuff as it comes. My additional 304 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: thing now is being a shop steward in the iHeart 305 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 1: Podcast Union, which just to be clear, you are not 306 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: part of because you are classified as in management because 307 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: of these other things that you also do. Right, That 308 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: is not it is not a whole additional job, and 309 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: it is something that I am happy to do. 310 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 2: So anyway, I don't. 311 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: Know if I have anything else to say about Unearthed, 312 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: except as I expressed to you, I had a hard 313 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: time getting through this one not because of the unearthedness. 314 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: Whenever I say that, I think people get a little 315 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: worried that there might not be unearthed anymore. Because it's 316 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people's very favorite episodes. This is the 317 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: first thing that I worked on after taking a couple 318 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: of weeks off off to do some family related stuff, 319 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: and the combination of needing to get back into this 320 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: type of work rather than the work I was doing 321 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: at my parents' home that was a process. And then 322 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: also the times that we were living in continued to 323 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: be what they are while I was working on it, 324 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: and it just meant that by the time that I 325 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: was getting to the end of it, I was like, 326 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: we have got to get this thing done because we 327 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: are recording it in the morning. Yeah, you did the 328 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: Holly Frii method, although you did not email it to 329 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: me at two am, which I often do to you. No, 330 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: so only a handful of people might know what this 331 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: is about. Last night was the night that an episode 332 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: of Game Changer was coming out that folks had been 333 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: strongly suggested to watch as close as possible after its airing. 334 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: So I had a seven pm Eastern time deadline, and 335 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: I stopped working at like six point thirty and eight 336 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: dumplings that my husband have made that are made by 337 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: a local company. My husband had cooked them, and then 338 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: we watched Game Changer. So yeah, I am I'm gonna 339 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: say a controversial thing. Okay, I don't even know how 340 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: to word this. I feel like, in some ways I'm 341 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: not really saying what I'm about to say, okay, because 342 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: it sounds like I'm like some sort of labor monster. 343 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: But in some ways, I feel like vacations should be illegal. 344 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: Not really, I want to take time off, but there 345 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: needs to be like an on ramp period when you 346 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: come back, because oh, yeah, I can't switch again. Like 347 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: when people tell me like, oh, I'm back from vacation, 348 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: I'm refreshed, I'm ready for work. I'm like, what is that? 349 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 2: Like? 350 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: I have never Like when I was in school, I 351 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: kept trying to like make the case that we shouldn't 352 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: have spring break, we should just end the school year 353 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: a week earlier, because that last month or whatever you 354 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 1: come back from spring break felt torturous to me, Like 355 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: I could not get my brain to play nice. It 356 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: was so hard to focus. And I have that when 357 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: I come back from vacation, because I'm like, this is joy, 358 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: this is how we all should be living all the time. Yeah, 359 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: and then which is I mean, I'm very lucky to 360 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 1: have the job I have. Please, you know, don't don't 361 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: anyone think that I'm I'm saying otherwise, But I just 362 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: like I wish there were a magical way where we 363 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: could not have a struggle bus to get back into 364 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: work when we come back from vacation. Yeah. Well I 365 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: have for sure had vacations where I did come back 366 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: like refreshed and re energize. How does that work? Never 367 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: in my life? Never in my life. Yeah, in a 368 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: couple of times. This is like it's been that when 369 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: I when the vacation happened, like I really needed a break, 370 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: and I also needed some time to sort of think about, Okay, 371 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: what is valuable to me? What is valuable to me 372 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: at work? How do I make sure that my time 373 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: at work feels like something that is valuable to me, 374 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: which I understand is something that a lot of people 375 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,719 Speaker 1: like don't necessarily have at their jobs. And so there 376 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: have been times that I have taken a vacation and 377 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: when I left for vacation, I was feeling tired and stuck. 378 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: And when I came back, I was like, Okay, I 379 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: have renewed my love and enjoyment of what I do. 380 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: This recent time off was not that at all, because 381 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: I was I went from doing the work that we 382 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: do of this at this job to doing caregiving work 383 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: and domestic work at my parents' house. So it was 384 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: like I went from one kind of work to a 385 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: different kind of work, and then I came back to 386 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: the type of work that I more often do and 387 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: kind of floundered. I was like, wait, how does my life? 388 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: And I also got a brand new computer that I 389 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 1: arrived like immediately before I took two peaks off, and 390 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: that threw a whole other wrench into the works. Yeah, 391 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: I don't. I never come back feeling like refreshed and renewed. 392 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: I come back and I'm like, you lost your rhythm. 393 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: I have to figure this out all over again. Yeah 394 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: I do. I think that's it. I don't. There's no 395 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: soul for it. I'm fine, like I've obviously pieced together 396 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: you know enough other brain waves that my missing ones are. Okay, 397 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: that's another very subtle Futurama reference, by the way, But yeah, 398 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 1: it's always a struggle for me. Yeah, I can't. I 399 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: and to the point where it has gotten easier for 400 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: me to continue to work on vacation than to completely 401 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: separate the two, which I know is not great either, 402 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: but like it's like you got to keep your hand 403 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: in or I will literally sit down when I get 404 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: back and go how do books work? Like I don't 405 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: even know how to do anything anymore. It's very weird. Anyway, 406 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: I don't really think vacation should be illegal. I think 407 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: vacation should be more all the time. I think we 408 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: should live Jetson's style, where everyone works three hours a day, 409 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: two days a week. That'd be great. Yeah, it's not 410 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: realistic right now, but I wish we lived in a 411 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: society that valued rest more. 412 00:24:58,520 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 2: Than it does. 413 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how I feel. Yeah. Anyway, if you'd like 414 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: to send us a note about this or any other 415 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: podcasts where history podcasts at iHeartRadio dot com. We'll be 416 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: back tomorrow with a Saturday classic. We will have something 417 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: brand new on Funday. 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