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Speaker 1: Listen with that phones. It's officially that time of year
Speaker 1: when it's impossible to miss the decorations going up in
Speaker 1: display windows, jingles trumpeting from department store speakers, and classic
Speaker 1: Christmas specials dancing across the TV. Somewhere along the way,
Speaker 1: you're almost guaranteed to run into a Rank and Bass production.
Speaker 1: You know them, the retro stop animated sing alongs from
Speaker 1: the nineties sixties, such as Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer.
Speaker 1: He's got a shiny nose. Shiny I'd even say in
Speaker 1: glow Frosty the snow Man, Happy Birthday, that had brought
Speaker 1: Frosty to life? It must be Magi or the Little
Speaker 1: Drummer Boy, A Little Drummer Boy? Are those animals dancing
Speaker 1: been in it? But what you maybe don't know is
Speaker 1: that one man was responsible for creating and writing each
Speaker 1: of those holiday favorites and many more. His name was
Speaker 1: Romeo Mueller, and his impact on the modern myth of
Speaker 1: Christmas is unparalleled. He was like a real Santa Claus,
Speaker 1: and I became really close friends with his brother Jean,
Speaker 1: who wanted to see his legacy live on, and I've
Speaker 1: tried to do that in my books. I always donate
Speaker 1: time to Romeo because he was the basis of every special.
Speaker 1: You have to have good writing for these to have
Speaker 1: the longevity that they have. My name is Rick Goldschmidt,
Speaker 1: and I'm the official Ranking Bass historian biographer, and I've
Speaker 1: written six books about Arthur Ranking and Jules Bass and
Speaker 1: work on a lot of the projects associated with the
Speaker 1: classic TV holiday specials like Brewed Up the Red Nose Reindeer,
Speaker 1: Santa Claus Is Coming to Town, the Little Drummer Boy, etcetera. Well.
Speaker 1: Ranking Bass is primarily known for their iconic holiday specials.
Speaker 1: They also produced a number of other influential works that
Speaker 1: don't get mentioned as often. They're also known for the
Speaker 1: hobbit I would speak with the King's Great does come
Speaker 1: upon you all? An army of goblins with claim to
Speaker 1: the Trasier comes from the north ThunderCats. I could probably
Speaker 1: handle him myself, Yes, lionelh No, please call the other ThunderCats,
Speaker 1: bunder thunder, bundercuts, silver Hawks like the moon Star shined
Speaker 1: into my cell and you will be rewarded with wealth,
Speaker 1: the odwealth our dead A monstar we know exactly what
Speaker 1: will happen if you ever see the moon Star again.
Speaker 1: A lot of Saturday morning television like the Jackson five Show.
Speaker 1: I'm Michael Jackson and a couple of years ago near
Speaker 1: my big brother Marlin, Jermaine, Tito and Jackie. It's kind
Speaker 1: of square quite that home in Gary, Indiana. And one
Speaker 1: day Mr Diana Ross herself came to town to sing
Speaker 1: a concert and the Osmond Show. Jimmy, you know, mom
Speaker 1: and Dad don't want you to do these late concerts. O. Hey,
Speaker 1: we better take him back to the hotel. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: we'll never get through that. Mama ends out there. And
Speaker 1: some feature films like King Kong Escapes, Beat the Last Unicorn.
Speaker 1: I tell you there is one unicorn neft in the world,
Speaker 1: and as long as it lives in this forest, we'll
Speaker 1: find no game to hunt here. Mad Monster Party. It's
Speaker 1: a come as you are, a party that's out of
Speaker 1: this world. You don't get invited if he'll get commented.
Speaker 1: It's a psychedelic scaret. Who with the groove is Googles
Speaker 1: of all kind. They were in business for about thirty
Speaker 1: years and produced some of the most memorable, especially holiday entertainment,
Speaker 1: which is still on the networks today. It's been over
Speaker 1: fifty years, actually over fifty five years now, so they
Speaker 1: have a longevity that most animation studios don't have. To
Speaker 1: become a production company, Soul Biographer is no small undertaking.
Speaker 1: We asked Rick what drew him to the Ranking Bass
Speaker 1: Specials and what he loves about them. The thing that
Speaker 1: attracted me to Ranking Bass was the look of everything,
Speaker 1: because I'm an artist and illustrator, so first and foremost
Speaker 1: for me, it was always the look of the puppets
Speaker 1: and the look of the cell animation. As a musician,
Speaker 1: I also loved the music of Maury Laws and the arrangements,
Speaker 1: which are always so happy and upbeat, very holiday ish,
Speaker 1: you know, with glockenspields and all kinds of fun accents
Speaker 1: to their music. And Jules Bass wrote the lyrics to
Speaker 1: all of the great songs like the Miser and Snow Miser.
Speaker 1: Remember at check up, Frances, whatever, I poke one ft
Speaker 1: in front of the other, one on in front of
Speaker 1: the other, and soon you'll be walking across the floor.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of classic Christmas songs that came out
Speaker 1: of the Ranking Bass Specials as well, but for them
Speaker 1: to last this long, you have to have good writing.
Speaker 1: Most of the time, it was Romeo Mueller who wrote
Speaker 1: with a lot of heart and warmth. Theater five has
Speaker 1: presented Toby's Wonderful Egg, written by Romeo Muller, produced and
Speaker 1: directed by Ted Bell. In the cast John McGovern, Betty
Speaker 1: Guard Robert. Romeo Mueller had a storied career that made
Speaker 1: him a perfect fit for ranking bass Well. Romeo Mueller
Speaker 1: was a writer out of the New York area High Falls,
Speaker 1: New York and wrote for a lot of the great
Speaker 1: comedians of the early days of television, like Jack Benny.
Speaker 1: I would like to tell you one Joe. This about
Speaker 1: two drunks that were standing at a bar and one
Speaker 1: drunk said to the other, you know where I got
Speaker 1: for my wife the other day. The other drunk said, no,
Speaker 1: what did you get for your wife the other day?
Speaker 1: So the first drunk said, a poodle. So this other
Speaker 1: drunk said, I wish I could make a trade like that.
Speaker 1: That's the end of the job. And Red Scalton, I
Speaker 1: think everybody's so nice here since I've been in town.
Speaker 1: They can't seem to do enough for me. They gave
Speaker 1: me a big car to drive around, a big rules Royce.
Speaker 1: See my wife says, let me drive that thing. I
Speaker 1: can stop it on a dime. She did. He also
Speaker 1: wrote as who would have thought that kindly old Dr
Speaker 1: Segwick was in reality a mad scientist. That's strictly off
Speaker 1: the record. You understand at one print of thing, but
Speaker 1: you said you'd worked out a plan to destroy Superman
Speaker 1: Max Max Max Good Guys plan Bad Guy's ski. So
Speaker 1: he had a great knowledge of how to put a
Speaker 1: story together, and he was actually hired by Arthur Ranking
Speaker 1: for the first ranking best television special Returned to Oz
Speaker 1: total Do you remember Oz? That wonderful land? We went
Speaker 1: too far, far away, halfway to yesterday and back. Returned
Speaker 1: to Oz was like the first time that the Wizard
Speaker 1: of Oz was revisited, that there was any type of
Speaker 1: sequel to the original MGM movie, which was being shown
Speaker 1: every year on television. So they thought that would be
Speaker 1: a huge hit, you know, because of the longevity of
Speaker 1: the Wizard of Us. But his second script was Rudolph
Speaker 1: the Red Nose Reindeer. Rudolf the Red Nose Reindeer had
Speaker 1: a very shiny no and if you ever saw it,
Speaker 1: you would even say a lot of people don't realize
Speaker 1: that the story book written by Robert L. May and
Speaker 1: the song written by his brother in law Johnny Marks,
Speaker 1: just had basically a germ of a story. You know,
Speaker 1: there was this reindeer with the red nose that everybody
Speaker 1: made fun of it, and you know Santa asked him
Speaker 1: to pull his sleve. That was it. So Romeo wrote
Speaker 1: Hermi the Dentist. I just don't like to make toys.
Speaker 1: Hermi doesn't like to make toys. Herb, he doesn't like
Speaker 1: to make toys. Someday I'd like to be a dentist. Dentist,
Speaker 1: you can't, Cornelius, you can fresh fit that away. Who
Speaker 1: are you? Who am I? The names? You can't Cornelius
Speaker 1: the greatest prospector in Lenore Island to misfit toys. I'm
Speaker 1: the official center of the Island of misfit toys at
Speaker 1: Jack in the Box or a center is. My name
Speaker 1: is don't Jolly Jack, no Charlie. That's why I'm a
Speaker 1: business toy. My name is all wrong. No child wants
Speaker 1: to play with a Charlie in the box. So I
Speaker 1: had to come here. And he based a lot of
Speaker 1: the story off of friends and relatives he had a
Speaker 1: friend that was named Clarice. Something wrong with your nose?
Speaker 1: I mean, you talk kind of funny. What's the fudy
Speaker 1: both way? I don't well, don't get I agree, I
Speaker 1: don't mind you old. My name is Clarie Hi. My
Speaker 1: ave Rudolph Hi. He had another friend that dreams stories
Speaker 1: of a monster peeking over cliffs, like the bumble Shot.
Speaker 1: So he put all of that into his scripts, and
Speaker 1: he did it in such a way that it draws
Speaker 1: you in. No matter how old you are, you could
Speaker 1: be a little kid, you could be a grandparent. Everything
Speaker 1: about it is heartwarming, and you just want to watch
Speaker 1: these things over and over and over again. So eventually
Speaker 1: he went on to write all of these other shows
Speaker 1: which were basically based on a song like Santa Claus
Speaker 1: has come into town. You better not woman, And then
Speaker 1: he would come up with these backstories to the son.
Speaker 1: In the case of Frosty the Snowman, he put in
Speaker 1: Professor Inkle and so I put the magic eggs into
Speaker 1: my hat aboca dab to coin the phrase at Wala,
Speaker 1: the eggs have turned into miss miss missing. All these
Speaker 1: things that we associate with the character came from the
Speaker 1: mind of Romeo Muller, so in that regards, he was
Speaker 1: a genius. He was like the Stan Lee of the
Speaker 1: Ranking Bats universe. You know, he was the writer and
Speaker 1: then the designer was Paul Cooker Jr. Most of the time,
Speaker 1: who would have been the Jack Kirby of the Marvel universe.
Speaker 1: So he was a really important ingredient in the whole
Speaker 1: universe of Rank and Bass productions. There's no doubt that
Speaker 1: Mueller is considered one of the first great writers of
Speaker 1: family oriented television. We asked Rick what stylistic choices made
Speaker 1: Mueller so iconic. The quintessential Mueller is the fact that
Speaker 1: the main characters usually were the underdog. You know, they
Speaker 1: either had something wrong with them, or they they felt
Speaker 1: like they didn't fit in, or something that they had
Speaker 1: to overcome to get to a happy ending. And the
Speaker 1: villains usually were reformed, which is always more satisfying than
Speaker 1: if they're just killed off. The villains, like the Winter Warlock,
Speaker 1: would you know, see that they were wrong and find
Speaker 1: a way to help and fit in. Shoot you, I've
Speaker 1: always wanted funny. What's that my artsy heart? It's melting? Well?
Speaker 1: Look Mr Warlock, please please call me Winter Winter. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: suddenly my whole outlook has changed from bad to good great.
Speaker 1: You know, the people at Pixar early on when they
Speaker 1: were a company before they were taken over by Disney,
Speaker 1: they recognized that that was a more satisfy rying way
Speaker 1: to tell a story than to kill off a villain,
Speaker 1: and they mimicked the scripts of Romeo Muller and tried
Speaker 1: to go for the look of the Ranking Bass productions.
Speaker 1: So I think that's why the early Pixar films were
Speaker 1: so successful is that they paid close attention to the script,
Speaker 1: which doesn't happen today. Unfortunately, in today's modern entertainment, all
Speaker 1: they care about is making money and it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: how they make it. But Ranking Bass they were more
Speaker 1: concerned about the quality of the project. That's why they
Speaker 1: hired Romeo Muller and stuck with them for so long.
Speaker 1: And Romeo was a lover of the classic comedies and
Speaker 1: the classic films. He was a film buff, and he
Speaker 1: knew what quality was from the love of the passion
Speaker 1: he had for classic film and classic comedy. So it
Speaker 1: really had that feel to it. You know, everything that
Speaker 1: rankin Bass did, very few things were failures. They were
Speaker 1: all high quality productions. With great stories, and you know,
Speaker 1: Romeo was a big part of it. Romeo would say
Speaker 1: that his favorite was The Little Drummer Boy. Well, the
Speaker 1: Little Drummer Boy is basically the story of what Christmas
Speaker 1: is all about. My lamb has been injured. You must
Speaker 1: save him. He is near death. Oh Lad, there is
Speaker 1: nothing I can do but but you are a king,
Speaker 1: immortal king only. But there is a king among kings
Speaker 1: who would save your little frightened the babe. But I
Speaker 1: do not understand. He's not necessary that you understand. Go
Speaker 1: to him, but I I have no gift to bring.
Speaker 1: Look about the new Born Key. It doesn't get aired
Speaker 1: as much today, but it had a magical quality to it.
Speaker 1: I remember early on, when I was a little kid
Speaker 1: and I went to C c D, they would tell
Speaker 1: you to watch it, and I was always wanting to
Speaker 1: watch it because we used to have little Nativity scenes
Speaker 1: that we were given as gifts, so it was a
Speaker 1: more common religious type special everybody knew that it was,
Speaker 1: you know, the telling of what Christmas is all about,
Speaker 1: but we've kind of lost that over the years. And
Speaker 1: I think Romeo really liked Chris Us a lot, you know,
Speaker 1: and since this was really the Telling of Christmas. That
Speaker 1: would be his favorite special, and it's a lot of
Speaker 1: people's favorite special. And what surprised me about it was
Speaker 1: the song One Star in the Night was written by
Speaker 1: Jules Bass and Maury Laws, and Maury told me that
Speaker 1: it was some music that they had written prior to
Speaker 1: the special, not particularly for the special. And when you
Speaker 1: watch it, it seems like it's some kind of a
Speaker 1: classic song that would have been written a hundred years
Speaker 1: before that special. It has that quality to it that
Speaker 1: it seems like a traditional Christmas song, but they actually
Speaker 1: wrote it. Romeo Mueller is still best known for his
Speaker 1: Rank and Bass contributions, but when he eventually moved on,
Speaker 1: he continued to write on other beloved programs even after
Speaker 1: Ranking Bass. He wrote Strawberry Shortcake, You're just in time.
Speaker 1: Strawberry Shortcake and all her friends are getting ready for
Speaker 1: their first annual garden Party, a celebration of the most
Speaker 1: frequently delicious berries in the whole world. The Little Rascal's
Speaker 1: Christmas Special. We all live up at the North Pole.
Speaker 1: You believe it or not, these are roast ho ho ho.
Speaker 1: This is just as well as Christmas. Ever. One of
Speaker 1: his last films post Ranking Bass was called Noel, and
Speaker 1: it was a special one. Not to mention my personal
Speaker 1: childhood fa friend is Noel. And it came out in
Speaker 1: the form of a kid's children's book and was about
Speaker 1: an ornament. Here's a good spot for you, little fella.
Speaker 1: I get it. What a neat idea. Hey, look at me.
Speaker 1: It's been years since I watched it, but I know
Speaker 1: that he went on radio, and he also went into
Speaker 1: actual schools and told the story every Christmas. It was
Speaker 1: like a tradition for him to tell the story of
Speaker 1: Noel in the New York Hi Falls area. What's happening
Speaker 1: now this it's become a thing called Christmas Eve, the
Speaker 1: reason you were made and I was born. It feels
Speaker 1: like magic. As Rick briefly mentioned, Mueller loved to read
Speaker 1: his stories on radio, but he never voiced any of
Speaker 1: his characters in the Rank and Bass specials. However, he
Speaker 1: did appear in other places. I know he made a
Speaker 1: cameo appearance in uh Marco, which is a NY three
Speaker 1: movie starring Zero Mostel and Desi Arnez Jr. At the
Speaker 1: beginning of the film, Desi Arnez is flying on a
Speaker 1: kite in Romeo's running underneath in a costume yelling at
Speaker 1: the kite. So it was kind of neat that he
Speaker 1: made a little cameo in the movie. Romeo Mother's relationship
Speaker 1: with Ranking Bass would get complicated after he left the company.
Speaker 1: When Romeo branched out and started writing other shows for
Speaker 1: other producers and other television things like The Little Rascal's
Speaker 1: Christmas Special, he started talking about how he created the
Speaker 1: Ranking Bass holiday specials, and for some reason that caused
Speaker 1: a bit of friction with Arthur Ranking. He felt like
Speaker 1: Romeo was taking too much credit and there was sort
Speaker 1: of a fallout with Ranking Bass Productions. But when I
Speaker 1: wrote my first book, The Enchanted World of Ranking Bass,
Speaker 1: and early on when I contacted Arthur Ranking, he had
Speaker 1: called me right after he went to Romeo's memorial, and
Speaker 1: I think they patched things up before where he passed.
Speaker 1: He was an important person to Arthur on a personal
Speaker 1: level too. But as you worked with someone for a
Speaker 1: long time, you know like you could have a falling
Speaker 1: out at some point, and that's what happened. Romeo Moller
Speaker 1: died on Wednesday, leaving behind an unfinished film project. It
Speaker 1: was called The Twelve Days of Christmas. One Partridge two
Speaker 1: Turtle Doves, three French Hands, four Calling Birds, five Golden Rings,
Speaker 1: six Gisa Lang, seven Swansea, Swimming by My Sword, Princess
Speaker 1: silver Bell has some strange desires. And there was some
Speaker 1: business partner involved with that, and that was released, and
Speaker 1: that caused a lot of friction between his brother Jean
Speaker 1: and the producer of that, and they never got their
Speaker 1: money from it either. So it was like a kind
Speaker 1: of a bad ending to what was always a very
Speaker 1: positive life for Romeo. By the time Rick started writing
Speaker 1: about Rank and Bass, Mueller had already passed away, but
Speaker 1: Rick did get to meet Romeo's brother, Jeane Muller. I
Speaker 1: wish I could have talked to Romeo, but I was
Speaker 1: glad I developed the friendship with Jean. Jean gave me everything.
Speaker 1: He gave me romeo scrapbooks, he gave me all the
Speaker 1: records that he had. He really opened up Romeo's archives
Speaker 1: to me when I wrote my books, So I'm grateful
Speaker 1: for that. Throughout his many books, Rick has painted a
Speaker 1: vivid picture of Romeo Mueller's life and the greater impact
Speaker 1: he had on storytelling in America. We asked Rick what
Speaker 1: he sees as Mueller's greatest legacy overall, Romyo created classic television,
Speaker 1: but it goes beyond that. It's become part of the
Speaker 1: Christmas Holiday or the Easter Holiday or whatever holiday the
Speaker 1: specials were written for. We're only talking about a few
Speaker 1: Christmas specials in this day and age. The only ones
Speaker 1: that have survived besides the Rank and Best holiday specials
Speaker 1: that Romeo wrote are How the Grinch Stole Christmas and
Speaker 1: Charlie Brown Christmas, and that's basically it. And Rank and
Speaker 1: Bass Productions holds more of that pie because they were
Speaker 1: successful with several television specials and all of them were
Speaker 1: written by Romeo. So when you look at the grand
Speaker 1: scheme of the entertainment industry over the last seventy five years,
Speaker 1: we're still talking about out Rootolph the Red Nose Reindeer
Speaker 1: and Frosty the Snowman. There's several Ranking Bass specials that
Speaker 1: Romeo wrote that our favorites of everyone's. And what you
Speaker 1: see happening now is a MC has a weekend marathon
Speaker 1: of the specials, and so does free Form Television, and
Speaker 1: then they're still on the networks. So you're seeing more
Speaker 1: exposure of them over time, and I'm sure they'll be
Speaker 1: streaming and Blu ray and DVDs will be getting better hopefully. So,
Speaker 1: I mean there's a big market of the holiday stuff
Speaker 1: and most of it is what Romeo wrote one special
Speaker 1: treat for our listeners. In Atlanta, the Center for Puppetry
Speaker 1: Arts has a new exhibit featuring the puppets from the
Speaker 1: Ranking Bass specials, well sort of the Santa and Rootolph
Speaker 1: puppet that they have, which actually I helped to restore
Speaker 1: and I also appeared with them for several years. They're
Speaker 1: not the ones that were used in the Ranking Best
Speaker 1: Rootolph the Red Nosed Reindeer Special. What they were created
Speaker 1: for was for publicity purposes. So in other words, they
Speaker 1: created a set of puppets that they sent from Japan
Speaker 1: to New York so that they could take the publicity
Speaker 1: photos for the NBC Holiday General Electric Theater. What they
Speaker 1: did was they stuck them in a glass case at
Speaker 1: NBC in the Rockefeller Center in New York, and they
Speaker 1: had them there for several years, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people remember seeing them, whether they were on school trips
Speaker 1: or just taking a tour of NBC. But to this day,
Speaker 1: I haven't found a photo of that display, so I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what puppets were in there, but I
Speaker 1: have a feeling they're the ones that were only featured
Speaker 1: in the publicity photos, and there was only a handful
Speaker 1: of those. All of these puppets have had some wild adventures,
Speaker 1: being passed around over the years without much of a record.
Speaker 1: All in all, the publicity puppets are lucky to have survived,
Speaker 1: and there's a wild story behind the fate of the
Speaker 1: puppets used on screen. I know everyone involved with these
Speaker 1: two particular puppets. I know Barbara Adams who was the
Speaker 1: secretary that took him home, and then she gaven to
Speaker 1: her nephew, and some of them were in the attic
Speaker 1: and got you know, melted together, and they had to
Speaker 1: get rid of them because they were no good anymore.
Speaker 1: So Santa and Rudolph were the only two that survived
Speaker 1: out of that batch. And I know the people that
Speaker 1: bought them from the nephew, and I helped restore them.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I know the people that restored them.
Speaker 1: So these two puppets have a history, But the really
Speaker 1: interesting history are the ones that were used in the
Speaker 1: actual specials. Some of them are in in the US.
Speaker 1: I used to own two from the first Christmas. You know,
Speaker 1: I had all their eyes and mouths and you could
Speaker 1: tell they were the actual puppets that were used in
Speaker 1: the animation. But most of the state in Japan they
Speaker 1: still have King Kong it from Mad Monster Party in
Speaker 1: this tad Moshinaga exhibit, and they have other puppets like
Speaker 1: from Willie McBean and his Magic Machine, and all kinds
Speaker 1: of Rear Rank and Bass puppets. I would say of
Speaker 1: the puppets stayed in Japan, and five percent came to
Speaker 1: the States for one reason or another. Arthur rankin want
Speaker 1: and to give to somebody or just to put in
Speaker 1: the office. And those are the ones that that I've
Speaker 1: appeared with, like I've appeared with Red Skelton from Rudolph's
Speaker 1: Shiny New Year. Father Time for the passing of time
Speaker 1: is all inspiring. It's the one certain thing in all
Speaker 1: the universe. In a way, it's like an old king
Speaker 1: stepping down and a new one taking its place. Smokey
Speaker 1: the Bear from the Ballot of Smokey the Bear. Smoke
Speaker 1: He started up by being just a normal bear, young
Speaker 1: and happy playing games. He never had a care Mamma
Speaker 1: used to worry. That is friendly trusting way would get
Speaker 1: him into trouble. So she said to me one day
Speaker 1: and big Bear, she said, knowledge's anny young Fred, so
Speaker 1: try to keep an eye on him. He needed brother band.
Speaker 1: When I said, Mom, don't worry. God believe it all
Speaker 1: to me. I never thought our simple life would change.
Speaker 1: So suddenly I've had him at shows. So there's only
Speaker 1: a few that are in the US, but most of
Speaker 1: them are in Japan. Still, you can find a selection
Speaker 1: of surviving puppets now at the Center for Puppetry Arts.
Speaker 1: Rick says he hopes the exhibit will help keep the
Speaker 1: spirit of the Ranking Bass Specials alive for years to come. See.
Speaker 1: The focus at the museum over the years has been
Speaker 1: on Rudolph. They do a puppet show every year like
Speaker 1: a marionette show. That's been successful for them for a
Speaker 1: long time. So the focus is just done Rudolph, not
Speaker 1: so much the enchanted world of Ranking Bass, but Rudolph
Speaker 1: the Red Nosed Reindeer. Ranked in Bass is route up
Speaker 1: the Nose Reindeer. And they only have the two puppets.
Speaker 1: But I think they're gonna make a nice display with
Speaker 1: the images that I gave them and the actual history
Speaker 1: of them. You know, all the puppets need to be
Speaker 1: in museum so everyone can see them. They shouldn't be
Speaker 1: in at any private collection in my opinion, and I'm
Speaker 1: probably one of the biggest private collectors there is, and
Speaker 1: I have a lot of things. My home home is
Speaker 1: a museum, but I think things like this, you know,
Speaker 1: Puppets Center from Iconic TV specials should be in a
Speaker 1: museum and I'm I'm glad the Center for Puppetry Arts
Speaker 1: has them. Jingle, Ingle Ingle. This episode of Ephemeral was
Speaker 1: written and assembled by Trevor Young, produced with Max and
Speaker 1: Alex Williams, and is dedicated to Romeo Maller. Rick Goldschmidt
Speaker 1: is the official biographer of Frank and Bass and you
Speaker 1: can find all of his books online or keep up
Speaker 1: with him at Rank and Bass dot com. And we
Speaker 1: implore you to check out the new Routolph exhibit at
Speaker 1: the Center for Puppetry Arts in Atlanta. Find more in
Speaker 1: everything you heard here at our website Ephemeral dot Show.
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