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Speaker 1: Listen with that phones. It's officially that time of year

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Speaker 1: You know them, the retro stop animated sing alongs from

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Speaker 1: the nineties sixties, such as Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer.

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Speaker 1: He's got a shiny nose. Shiny I'd even say in

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Speaker 1: glow Frosty the snow Man, Happy Birthday, that had brought

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Speaker 1: Frosty to life? It must be Magi or the Little

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Speaker 1: Drummer Boy, A Little Drummer Boy? Are those animals dancing

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Speaker 1: that one man was responsible for creating and writing each

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Speaker 1: of those holiday favorites and many more. His name was

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Speaker 1: Romeo Mueller, and his impact on the modern myth of

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Speaker 1: and I became really close friends with his brother Jean,

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Speaker 1: You have to have good writing for these to have

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Speaker 1: and I'm the official Ranking Bass historian biographer, and I've

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Speaker 1: written six books about Arthur Ranking and Jules Bass and

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Speaker 1: Santa Claus Is Coming to Town, the Little Drummer Boy, etcetera. Well.

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Speaker 1: Ranking Bass is primarily known for their iconic holiday specials.

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Speaker 1: hobbit I would speak with the King's Great does come

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Speaker 1: upon you all? An army of goblins with claim to

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Speaker 1: the Trasier comes from the north ThunderCats. I could probably

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Speaker 1: handle him myself, Yes, lionelh No, please call the other ThunderCats,

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Speaker 1: bunder thunder, bundercuts, silver Hawks like the moon Star shined

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Speaker 1: into my cell and you will be rewarded with wealth,

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Speaker 1: the odwealth our dead A monstar we know exactly what

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Speaker 1: will happen if you ever see the moon Star again.

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Speaker 1: A lot of Saturday morning television like the Jackson five Show.

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Speaker 1: my big brother Marlin, Jermaine, Tito and Jackie. It's kind

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Speaker 1: of square quite that home in Gary, Indiana. And one

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Speaker 1: day Mr Diana Ross herself came to town to sing

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Speaker 1: a concert and the Osmond Show. Jimmy, you know, mom

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Speaker 1: It's a psychedelic scaret. Who with the groove is Googles

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Speaker 1: We asked Rick what drew him to the Ranking Bass

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Speaker 1: Most of the time, it was Romeo Mueller who wrote

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Speaker 1: Guard Robert. Romeo Mueller had a storied career that made

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Speaker 1: for the first ranking best television special Returned to Oz

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Speaker 1: total Do you remember Oz? That wonderful land? We went

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Speaker 1: the greatest prospector in Lenore Island to misfit toys. I'm

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