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Speaker 1: It is a Football Friday Week two edition. Also the

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Speaker 1: home opener edition. God Zach Kershmin with Meberg Gang. It'll

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Speaker 1: be good to be in front of the Red Sea

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. What also will be good solving the Carolina conundrum?

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Speaker 1: For whatever reason, this just has not been a favorable

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Speaker 1: We catch up with the one true Darren Darren Ghamm.

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Speaker 1: He covers with Panthers for Panthers dot Com. It's Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two, Episode nine three, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: B to Baker, What Heart? What front? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: He's a a ten half five pason again some more

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Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craig Grieler.

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Speaker 1: Had a wait a week Bird Gang, But the home

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Speaker 1: opener is here. And to add what head coach Jonathan

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Speaker 1: juiced is what he feels or will feel going into

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Speaker 1: that season opener. By the way, the twentieth season opener

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Speaker 3: Happy anniversary of State Farms Stadium. Look, it's exciting. The

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Speaker 3: Bird Gang's gonna be back in full force. We saw

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Speaker 3: finally returning to the stadium. The Cardinals had a very

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Speaker 3: that their road results are also going to take care

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Speaker 1: Cardinals won their final two home games last season. This week,

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Speaker 1: one oh five is the kickoff eight thirty Pregame coverage

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Speaker 1: begins on the Arizona Cardinals Radio Network Cardinals and Panthers

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Speaker 1: Cardinals one to OH Panthers, OH and one And by

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Speaker 1: the way, as I mentioned the twentieth home opener, Darren

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Speaker 1: Urban up on Azycardinals dot Com has a article about,

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Speaker 1: in his words, the best home openers in Cardinals' history

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Speaker 3: Who like a power ranking?

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Speaker 1: Power ranking? Yes, that was the phrase that I probably

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Speaker 3: No, I'm a little bit bummed. I didn't even know

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Speaker 3: that Darren Urban was writing this, so I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: The more you know, you need to pay attention, Moreds.

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Speaker 3: I actually pay attention a little bit too much. Observant

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Speaker 3: wait time out, is it really yeah, Zachary Jordan.

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Speaker 3: not sure if he's a Carolina Panthers fan or not,

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Speaker 3: But that doesn't matter. That's not going to help Bryce Young. No,

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals Radio network. All right, as we mentioned off

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Speaker 1: Zach has something that he would like not only you

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Speaker 3: the real ASU winning this past weekend?

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Speaker 4: You mean against Lyndon to Willo.

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Speaker 3: Of course, I mean we could we could talk about

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Speaker 4: One of my coworkers here, Cassidy Hill, she writes for

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Speaker 4: and she wrote something about Mike Burkavici and she said

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Speaker 4: He went to Arizona. Hey, you've got to get that

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Speaker 4: I think obviously it's a concern. I mean, they didn't

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Speaker 3: Hit on the game from last year in week sixteen

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Speaker 4: You know, he would have fit right in at a

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Speaker 1: One of the concerns that the Cardinals have going into

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Speaker 4: I think you got to expect it. I mean, when

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Speaker 5: More importantly, what's the what's the real issue? Because we're

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Speaker 4: We're talking about Appalachian State. My friends, all right, maybe

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Speaker 4: you've heard of a little something. They've heard of us

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Speaker 4: In all these places, they know what real college football

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Speaker 1: Urban is UH has done a run in here on

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Speaker 3: The art of the the the.

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Speaker 5: Well. I'm looking forward to seeing you soon, Darren, Darren

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Speaker 4: That's that's right. Well, we'll get together soon. It's like

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, I apologize for hijacking this as Zach and agreed

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Speaker 4: Good, we'll see we'll see each other soon.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate uh, Darren Urban our boss. Let's let's kind of

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Speaker 3: Well, now that Darren Urban's down the room, he's out.

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Speaker 1: Now we can we can talk freely here on uh

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Speaker 4: This sky's the limit for Team MAC honestly. And you

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Speaker 4: I think that's fair, and I think it's probably both

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Speaker 4: As you can tell, I'm out here by a practice

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Speaker 1: And it was his touchdown run in overtime that sent

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Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to matter the location, the head coach,

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Speaker 1: the personnel. This is a team in the Panthers that

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals have always struggled against. It just doesn't make

436
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Speaker 1: a whole ton of sense. Maybe you've got a reason

437
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Speaker 1: why this this is as it is.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think they're obviously inspired by having the right

439
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Speaker 4: era and on this side of the country. I mean,

440
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 4: it's as simple as that, isn't it. No, I mean

441
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Speaker 4: it's it is strange, and there are a lot of

442
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Speaker 4: coincidences in the NFL, and you know, it has been weird.

443
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Speaker 4: But when it's been you know, whether it was Josh

444
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Speaker 4: McCown going against Jake Dilom, or whether it was against

445
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Speaker 4: Jake Diloman Kurt Warner, or whether it was Vinny Testa

446
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Speaker 4: Verdi and Tim Rattay like in that two thousand and

447
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Speaker 4: seven game, it always gets a little weird. But you know,

448
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Speaker 4: Panthers have played well out there. They've played well, you know,

449
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Speaker 4: when they're in Charlotte. I think people want to attribute

450
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Speaker 4: it to like the time zone thing when you guys

451
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Speaker 4: come to come to Maybury. But in reality, you know,

452
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Speaker 4: these are all pros and most of these guys have

453
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Speaker 4: played in the Eastern time zone before, so I don't

454
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Speaker 4: think that's a terribly big deal. It's just one of

455
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Speaker 4: those oddities of sports that we enjoy so much.

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Speaker 3: We've mentioned Darren Irvan quite a bit in this podcast already,

457
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Speaker 3: but I have to mention one more time. He just

458
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Speaker 3: wrote an article on Easycardinals dot Com about Kyler Murray's

459
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Speaker 3: mobility and when you're comparing it to going up against

460
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Speaker 3: another quarterback that is mobile, like Bryce Young. But if

461
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Speaker 3: we look at the Panthers defensively, does practicing against Bryce

462
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Speaker 3: Young better prepare them for when they do play a

463
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Speaker 3: guy like Kyler Murray this early on in the season.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think anytime. I mean mobile quarterbacks kind of

465
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Speaker 4: the way the league's going in a lot of ways,

466
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Speaker 4: and you get used to seeing those guys. Obviously a

467
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Speaker 4: couple of pretty good ones in Kyler and Bryce, but

468
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Speaker 4: I think guys here have been talking about that all week.

469
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Speaker 4: There are a lot of guys with a lot of background.

470
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Speaker 4: Pat Jones was with the Vikings last year and was

471
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Speaker 4: talking earlier about chasing around Kyler. I mean it's a challenge.

472
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Speaker 4: I mean, that's an aspect of this thing. When you

473
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Speaker 4: can put a running game like we were talking earlier

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Speaker 4: together with together with that kind of mobile dual thread,

475
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Speaker 4: I mean, it just makes everything a little more dangerous,

476
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Speaker 4: gives you that much more you have to honor detensively.

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Speaker 1: One more defensive question before we let you go, Darren,

478
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Speaker 1: and that is I think a matchup that at least

479
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Speaker 1: I'm looking for, and we'll see how many times they

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Speaker 1: are lined up across from one another. But that is

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Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior and J. C.

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Speaker 3: Horn.

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Speaker 1: It is a much different looking Marvin as far as

484
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Speaker 1: the added weight that he has gained over the offseason.

485
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Speaker 1: Then Week one certainly looked much better as far as

486
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Speaker 1: that quarterback to wide receiver connection. But that matchup particular,

487
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Speaker 1: where you've got probably two of the better players at

488
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Speaker 1: their respective positions, at least young players at their respective positions,

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Speaker 1: how do you see that matchup favoring one side or

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Speaker 1: the other?

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Speaker 4: No doubt I look forward to seeing that one myself

492
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Speaker 4: as just somebody who enjoys football. I mean, those are

493
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Speaker 4: the matchups you want to see. JC. He is a

494
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Speaker 4: big corner, He's a physical corner. He's not afraid to

495
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Speaker 4: get up on somebody and at the line of scrimmage

496
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Speaker 4: and really give them business up there. And Marvin's just different,

497
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Speaker 4: as you guys know. I remember being at the Ohio

498
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Speaker 4: State Proda in twenty three when CJ. Stroud was coming

499
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Speaker 4: out and I was looking at other quarterbacks along with

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Speaker 4: the decision makers on that quarterback who were and Steve Smith,

501
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Speaker 4: who you may have heard of, looks at me stand

502
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Speaker 4: on the sideline that day and he said, the best

503
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Speaker 4: player in this build ma ain't even eligible for this

504
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Speaker 4: year's draft, and he was talking about Marvin and so

505
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Speaker 4: I think having the kind of physical gifts he's got,

506
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Speaker 4: that like we were talking about with McMillan, that ability

507
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Speaker 4: to go get it is hard to beat a lot

508
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Speaker 4: of times. But jac is a big, physical dude who's

509
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Speaker 4: got a lot of gifts of his own, and he's

510
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Speaker 4: one of the most competitive people you're ever going to

511
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Speaker 4: run across. I mean he is. He was born to

512
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Speaker 4: this game. He has been in it for a long

513
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Speaker 4: long time, and he loves loves it when people want

514
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Speaker 4: to get physical. He loves to compete. Through the off season,

515
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Speaker 4: when guys were going back and forth and they were

516
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Speaker 4: trying to figure out what kind of team they were

517
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Speaker 4: going to be, it was j. C. Horn that was

518
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Speaker 4: pushing all the buttons of the offensive guys while they

519
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Speaker 4: were trying to determine what it was going to be.

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Speaker 4: So I look forward to that one as much as anything.

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Speaker 4: The only thing I look forward to more is seeing

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Speaker 4: Darren with two r's name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if State Farms did Idiom can

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Speaker 1: handle two Darren's under the same ruth, even though the

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Speaker 1: names might be spelled just a little bit differently. And

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Speaker 1: as we've established here, it's Darren with an I that

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Speaker 1: is the preferred spelling.

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Speaker 4: That's right. Two Darren's no waiting, nothing but love. We're

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Speaker 4: all in this thing together, Darren.

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Speaker 1: Always a pleasure to look forward to seeing you on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Yep, sounds good.

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Speaker 1: See how Man good stuff there with Darren. And remember

533
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Speaker 1: it's Darren with an I and two t's in Gant.

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Speaker 1: Give him a follow at Darren Gant and maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: give Darren Urban a follow as well. It's at cards Chatter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but both of them have been collaborating on a

537
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Speaker 3: story as well, the Kalay's Campbell JJ Janssen story number

538
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Speaker 3: one and number two in terms of most games played

539
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Speaker 3: those two guys, and they're going to be adding another

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Speaker 3: game played this weekend when they face off against each other,

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Speaker 3: So check that out on both Panthers dot com and

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Speaker 3: Asycardinals dot com.

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Speaker 1: And truthfully, two good Darrens to know.

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Speaker 3: You selfishly and I are very excited to be sitting

545
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Speaker 3: in the press box this week.

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Speaker 1: As we mentioned, can State Farm Stadium handle to Darren's

547
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Speaker 1: in the building at the same time, one way to

548
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Speaker 1: find out. Hopefully the Cardinals find out that they can

549
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: handle the Carolina Panthers. It has been an issue, it

550
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: was an issue last year, and it's it's been interesting

551
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: to hear the comments either from JG or players this week,

552
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Speaker 1: Zach and I know it's part of your story coming

553
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: up on Saturday on Easycardinals dot Com. Players. Yes, easy

554
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: for them to look back at previous weeks or previous seasons,

555
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: much easier for them. JG is not a big fan

556
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Speaker 1: of looking in the past. In fact, I think despise

557
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: might be too strong of a word, but maybe maybe correct.

558
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Speaker 1: It's just he does not like looking even like last week.

559
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: He said it makes them depressed, let alone last year.

560
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Speaker 1: Yet he was very forthcoming, not only with us in

561
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Speaker 1: the media but on Cardinals game plan. Looking back at

562
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: the loss at Caroline, you lose in over time, you

563
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: get knocked out of playoff contention, and I think that

564
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 1: right there. Not so much how they played wasn't good,

565
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: gave up too many rushing yards, turned the ball over,

566
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Speaker 1: but the fact that loss eliminated you from any any

567
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Speaker 1: postseason contention.

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Speaker 3: I spoke with Max Melon and it was one of

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Speaker 3: the with an organization that has tried to avoid from

570
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Speaker 3: making any power statements, or you know, they're so focused

571
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Speaker 3: one game at a time. I asked Maximlin, when you

572
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 3: watch back the film from that game, does that frustration

573
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Speaker 3: boil over again, similar to how you felt when you

574
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Speaker 3: left Bank of America Stadium and Charlotte And he said

575
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Speaker 3: to me, yeah, it does. And he said, he said, well,

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Speaker 3: we only have to put it on ourselves. A but

577
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Speaker 3: B he said, And this was what I really took

578
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Speaker 3: out of this. He said, I don't think we were

579
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Speaker 3: where our feet were. I think we were not in

580
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Speaker 3: the present. We were looking too forward to the next

581
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Speaker 3: upcoming game. That next upcoming game was a Saturday night

582
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Speaker 3: battle against the Los Angeles Rams that if the Cardinals

583
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Speaker 3: would have won, that we're in the dry re seat

584
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Speaker 3: of winning the division and advancing to the playoffs against

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Speaker 3: the San Francisco forty nine ers team that was totally

586
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 3: battered with injuries, similar to what it seems like next

587
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 3: week is gonna be. But we're not looking forward right now.

588
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 3: For that exact reason, the Cardinals might have shot themselves

589
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 3: in the foot. Injuries definitely played a role in that.

590
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Speaker 3: But when you let Chewba Hubbard rush for one hundred

591
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Speaker 3: and fifty two yards when you let Bryce Young escape

592
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Speaker 3: the pocket as easily as he did in that game.

593
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Speaker 3: And there was also a lot of penalties I saw.

594
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Speaker 3: I remember there was a penalty against Shaum Murphy bunting,

595
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 3: a pass interference penalty that was on third down, and

596
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 3: then the Panthers had the ball inside the one yard

597
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 3: line after that ended up happening. So there's a lot

598
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Speaker 3: of different things that happened. And in Johnathan Gannon's case, yeah,

599
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 3: it has stuck with him. And it's interesting to see

600
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Speaker 3: which losses stick with certain people. And it seems like

601
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Speaker 3: throughout the locker room, even though JG might have been

602
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Speaker 3: downplaying it towards the back end of the week as

603
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 3: we was trying to get closer to game time come Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,

604
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: this was a game that the player and the coaching

605
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Speaker 3: staff remember very well.

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Speaker 1: You always look back to see what you can learn

607
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: from past games, even if it was past seasons. But

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Speaker 1: the lesson I think most importantly to learn something that

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Speaker 1: you said and what we heard in the locker room,

610
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Speaker 1: whether it was Max Melton, Rabbit said it as well.

611
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Speaker 1: You need to focus on the here and now and

612
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: not look ahead. That's why you always hear JG say

613
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Speaker 1: be where your feet are and that mindset. And again

614
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Speaker 1: late in the season last year, you're kind of looking

615
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Speaker 1: forward to postseason play and it's easy, it's human nature

616
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Speaker 1: to look ahead. So try as you as hard as

617
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Speaker 1: best as you can, because as you mentioned, you get

618
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Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers your first division game on the road.

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Speaker 1: They're a banged up team, could be Mac Jones that

620
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Speaker 1: you play. Yeah, not going to see George Kittle, So hey,

621
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, hey three and oh going into

622
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Speaker 1: Thursday night against Seattle, you can't think like that.

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Speaker 3: Look you look at social media after the game against

624
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 3: the Green Bay Packers and there's people saying it's about

625
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 3: to be a six and over six and oh matchup

626
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 3: when the Cardinals and the Packers square off at State

627
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 3: Farm Stadium in Week seven. Yes, we're all fans of

628
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: the game, and we're all our own schedule predictors, and

629
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Speaker 3: we're all our own general managers. When it comes to

630
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 3: a draft season and free agency, who are we bringing

631
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Speaker 3: in I seventy million dollars? Of course I'll toss to

632
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Speaker 3: you because it's not my seventy million like when it

633
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 3: comes to that kind of to that kind of content, Yes,

634
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 3: social media is gonna be ablaze with it, and these

635
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 3: players are on social media. It's not that they can

636
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Speaker 3: avoid it. But there's a difference though, between looking ahead

637
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 3: in week sixteen versus looking ahead in week two. When

638
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 3: you're looking ahead at week sixteen, you could taste it,

639
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 3: you could taste how close you are. And that's where

640
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 3: the temptation kicks in. When you're a week two right now,

641
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 3: you're nothing. Truthfully, this is a team. You can't crown them.

642
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 3: You can't crown anybody in week two of anything you

643
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 3: want to crown. Will Johnson is the defensive rookie of

644
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Speaker 3: the year. That's great, and all all he has is

645
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 3: one tape and if Will and can't perform nearly as

646
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 3: well as he did in that Week one matchup, it

647
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. It's all for not. So I think in

648
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: the Cardinals case this week, it simply is just focused

649
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Speaker 3: on what that Week two matchup is going to be

650
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 3: against the Carolina Panthers. Kyler Murray has played the Panthers

651
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 3: four times. I'm pretty sure he only has a one

652
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 3: to three record against Carolina. This will be his fifth

653
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 3: time playing against Carolina, and outside of the division opponents,

654
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 3: this is his most common opponent of his career and

655
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 3: it hasn't gone his way. So it's something that I

656
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 3: think Kyler Murray is going to really need to lock

657
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 3: in on. I'm not sure what has happened, as I

658
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 3: and we talked with Darren about it, what has allowed

659
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 3: for Carolina to have such consistent success against the Arizona Cardinals.

660
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 3: But it only takes one game to turn it around,

661
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 3: and I think that this week could be that game.

662
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: And the key at least for me, yes handle to

663
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: be a Hubbard. Slow him down, don't allow him to

664
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: rush for one hundred and fifty two yards as he

665
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: did last season. But more importantly, the lesson from last

666
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: week dealing with the mobile quarterback in Spencer Rautler, You've

667
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: got another one here with Bryce Young, and the words

668
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: of Nick rawlis make sure you are in your rushlings.

669
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Speaker 1: Don't deviate from that. You keep Bryce Young in the pocket,

670
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: make him throw the football, Do not let him use

671
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: his legs to buy extra time or beat you with

672
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: his legs running scrambling. Force him to throw, because you

673
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: saw what the secondary did last week. Against Spencer Ratler

674
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: nine passes defense. You know, you stop the run all

675
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you become a one dimensional offense. And

676
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: Bryce Young did not look good last week against the

677
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars.

678
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: No, he didn't, and there is a chance that his

679
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 3: offensive line might be a little bit banged up there.

680
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 3: Left tackle recently had a pedectomy, so he is on

681
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,719
Speaker 3: the injury report with an illness. He had his first

682
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 3: padded practice on Thursday as a limited participant. Dave Canawis

683
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: spoke highly of it, but you still never know when

684
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 3: it comes to two injuries. But this is a team

685
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: that just saw, and by the team, I mean the

686
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 3: Caroline and Panthers just saw the New Orleans Saints, their

687
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 3: NFC South rival, throw the ball very fast, get it

688
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 3: out of Spencer Ratler's hands very early against this Cardinals defense,

689
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 3: and a lot of it was the dink and dunk passes.

690
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 3: There weren't many explosives outside of the run game that

691
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 3: those Saints are able to bring to the table. If

692
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 3: the Cardinals clogged their rush lanes, as the defensive coordinator

693
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 3: Nick Rowlis was talking about, and they prevent Bryce Young

694
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 3: from utilizing his legs in the way that he used

695
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 3: it in Week sixteen last year. The Cardinals defense could

696
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 3: be set up for success mightily. In this defensive line too,

697
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 3: they could still generate some pressure. Josh Sweat named not

698
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 3: pop up nearly as much in the statue, but he

699
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 3: still got home quite a bit. He just wasn't able

700
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 3: to fully wrap up Spencer Ratler. I expect for him

701
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 3: to do well against Bryce Young this week.

702
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: Four total pressures for Josh wet according to the next

703
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: Gen Stats. Last week, Spencer got the ball out in

704
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: two point five two seve seconds, tied for the fifth quickest.

705
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: You go back to last year's meeting, Bryce Young against

706
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: the Cardinals completed twelve of eighteen passes under two point

707
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: five seconds. So we know this is a copycat league,

708
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: and I fully expect the same kind of game plan

709
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: offensively from the Panthers. That is, get the ball out quick,

710
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: maybe even a little up tempo. Certainly worked for Spencer Routler.

711
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean it's gonna work for every quarterback, but could

712
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: you see it a little bit more often, especially early

713
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: in the season, as defensive players are trying to get

714
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: their conditioning, at least their game day conditioning ready and

715
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: at just another change of pace for an offense that

716
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: might might not scare you a lot given the weapons

717
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: that they have, and obviously they didn't look good last

718
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 1: week going off to that point.

719
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 3: Though, with this being a copycat league, there's one major

720
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 3: similarity between Spencer Ratler and Bryce Young, and it's been

721
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 3: their inconsistencies throughout their NFL career so far. It's something

722
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 3: that when you were speeding it up, yes, you were

723
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 3: speeding it up for the defense and you're having to

724
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 3: put them on their heels a little bit, and you know,

725
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 3: the temple really starts to throw off what a Nick

726
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 3: Rylis defense could actually look like. But it also magnifies

727
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 3: and speeds up the process for the quarterback and it

728
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 3: makes those mistakes a lot more likely, especially if they're

729
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 3: throwing it down the field. That is why Will Johnson

730
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 3: is able to get his hands on the football three

731
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 3: different times with three different pass deflections, the Cardinals nine

732
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 3: pass deflections leading the NFL after Week one. It's something

733
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 3: that this Panthers team with Bryce Young, his inconsistencies have

734
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 3: followed him throughout his NFL career. If he's gonna speed

735
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 3: him if he's gonna speed himself up, not just the team,

736
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 3: but speed himself up in the pocket. He's prone to

737
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 3: make mistakes. It's up to the Cardinals to capitalize upon those.

738
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: We talked about one of the matchups so least I'm

739
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: very interested in on Sunday with Darren as far as

740
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: Marvin and j C. Horn another one and we didn't

741
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: really get into it with Darren, but we did talk

742
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: about Tetero Millan eighth overall pick. Will Johnson, second round pick,

743
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: arguably the best cornerback in the draft outside of maybe

744
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter.

745
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 3: But it's only played what six snaps and play so

746
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 3: right now?

747
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but first round talent versus first round talent two rookies, Now,

748
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: that's something I don't think Will Johnson would travel. But

749
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: do we see a higher snap count for Will based

750
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: off his performance last week?

751
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 3: If you're doing a higher snap count for Will, then

752
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 3: there's potential that that means a decrease in snaps from

753
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 3: Max Mountain in some ways, depending on the depending on

754
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 3: the different packages that you use, because you know, in

755
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 3: base package you have Garrett Williams on the outside with

756
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 3: Max Mountain. Otherwise it's gonna be those nickel packages, those

757
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 3: dime packages and that's when you're able to see Will

758
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 3: Johnson out on the field a little bit more if

759
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: you're I don't expect the Cardinals to play more in

760
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 3: nickel or more in dime because of how often they

761
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 3: already play in those two those two personnel groups on

762
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: the d defensive side of the ball, those two different schemes.

763
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 3: But on the base package, I wouldn't be surprised if

764
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 3: Maximulon's snapcount maybe decreases by three or four or five

765
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 3: and you start to see a little bit more of

766
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: Will Johnson out there. It wouldn't be terribly much of

767
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 3: a surprise. But the thing is that I love about

768
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 3: Will Johnson's game is he is a confident dude out

769
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 3: there when when with cornerbacks. We talk all the time

770
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 3: about it, how it's one of the more tough positions

771
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 3: out there because you're on an island by yourself. You're

772
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 3: on that highway that Jonathan Gannon consistently talks about. But

773
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 3: he performed at Michigan. He performed every time Will Johnson

774
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 3: has been out there. He rarely is the guy to

775
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 3: get beat. And he said he worked out with Tedroa

776
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 3: McMillan during the offseason here in Phoenix at Exos, he

777
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 3: said he was able to learn some of his tips

778
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 3: and tricks. Wouldn't surprise me if you have the six

779
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 3: to two cornerback lining up across from the six to

780
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 3: four wide receiver and seeing that go to the Cardinals benefit.

781
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: Something to watch on Sunday. By the way, I was

782
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: just looking at snapcounts. It's hard based off of this

783
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: nap counts to get a good read. But looking considering

784
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: that Garrett, Buddha, Max and jt All played the entire game,

785
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: Rabbit played fifty of the seventy five snaps, So you

786
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: had at least a nickel package in two thirds of

787
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: your defensive plays. Sometimes dime package. Maybe not nearly as much,

788
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: but I'd say arguably maybe forty five to fifty percent.

789
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: You had six dbs out on that football field and

790
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: then you got to take someone away. Does that mean

791
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: that there's less snaps for a Keem Davis gaither? Is

792
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: that less snaps for an outside linebacker or one less

793
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: for a defensive lineman. You're not rushing two three d lineman,

794
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: You're rushing two because you like what you have in

795
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: the back end.

796
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's and look the two defensive linemen. That might

797
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 3: mean a Zavon Collins and Baron Brownie. Like I was

798
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 3: watching some of the I was watching the All twenty

799
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 3: two tape of it, and some of the defensive fronts

800
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 3: that they had, Like they had one defensive front where

801
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 3: it was Josh Sweat Zaven Collins above the right guard,

802
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 3: and then it was Darius Robinson with his hand in

803
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: the dirt by the left guard as the three eye technique,

804
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: and then you had Baron Browning on the opposite side.

805
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 3: And those are the cellar deformations. And that allows for

806
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 3: the Cardinals to have more dbs out on the field

807
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 3: because you don't have Dallon, Tomlinson and Kalais Campbell on

808
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 3: those defensive fronts, you have your three edge rushers, And

809
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 3: said so, Nick Rowis is known for being a mastermind

810
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 3: when it comes to these disguises and schemes. Bryce Young

811
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: is still a young quarterback in relation to what the

812
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 3: NFL brings, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a

813
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 3: lot more of that. But the percentages yet, they're definitely

814
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 3: they're highlight worthy because of how much and how frequently

815
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 3: they're actually in them.

816
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: Does the defense dial it up a little bit more

817
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 1: this week compared to last week. That's the question, because

818
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: it was only the one sack, but there was certainly

819
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: consistent pressure twenty eight percent almost twenty nine percent according

820
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: to the next Gen Stats, that's how much Spencer was rattled.

821
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 1: If you will, yes pun intended. What can this defense

822
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: do to Bryce Young on Sunday?

823
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 3: They gotta bring the house because I have more confidence

824
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 3: in your second level and your third level when it

825
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 3: comes to tackling. In case, in case Bryce Young does

826
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 3: break free out of the pocket, I do the matchup.

827
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: Though.

828
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 3: I'm very interested to see is JG has spoken very

829
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 3: highly of Robert Hunt, their offensive guard. I can't wait

830
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 3: to see Dalvin Thomlinson and Kalays Campbell and Darius Robinson,

831
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 3: a healthy Darius Robinson, those three players in particular lining

832
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 3: up across from him. I expect the edge rushers to

833
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 3: make a little bit more noise in this game, but

834
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 3: I think they can make a little bit more noise

835
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 3: in this game if your defensive front generates more pressure

836
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 3: as well.

837
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, how many times are the Panthers running off right

838
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: tackle or on the right side of that line of scrimmage?

839
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: Considering that's the strength of their offensive line.

840
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll definitely be something of a note. Tuba Hubbard

841
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 3: is a back that does not really go down after

842
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 3: first contact. He could, he could break free. When you

843
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 3: watch his game, it reminds you a little bit of

844
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 3: what James Connor does and how the Cardinals utilize him.

845
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 3: It all comes down to tackling though. Yes, the hit

846
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 3: against against Chris Olave that Will Johnson laid him out

847
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 3: with is certainly impressive, but you also just want those

848
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 3: generic tackles too. Whatever it takes to bring the guy down,

849
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 3: whether it's Will Johnson laying the boom or somebody just

850
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 3: being able to wrap somebody up right around the line

851
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 3: of scrimmage, It's certainly going to be an area of

852
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 3: emphasis for this team. And I know that the Panthers

853
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 3: struggled to tackle and the deep defensively, they struggled to

854
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 3: tackle against the Jags last week, So gonna be interested

855
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 3: to see how James Connor is able to break free.

856
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

857
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: The Jaguars their number one running back, Travis atn one

858
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: hundred and forty three yards on the ground, one hundred

859
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: and nine of which were inside runs between.

860
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: The tackles, and in this case, I expect even more

861
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 3: so with not having Tip Ryman on the outside. On

862
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 3: outside of the tackles, we've have to see a lot

863
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: of rushes on the inside. In between the hashes from James.

864
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Speaker 1: We had to bring it full circle here.

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Speaker 3: I try to do a journalists here, Big Jay Journalists.

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Speaker 1: One oh five kickoff eight thirty am. Pre game covers

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Speaker 1: begins on the Arizona Cardinals Radio Network. Don't be late, Zach.

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Speaker 1: I won't be late.

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Speaker 3: I won't be involved, but I won't be late either.

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Speaker 1: Please don't be lates. No one be lates for Week

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Speaker 1: two and the home opener Cardinals and Panthers. Look forward

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Speaker 1: to the matchup on Sunday, and then of course we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about it on Monday. On that note, we will

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Speaker 1: put a lit on this edition of Cardinals Cover two

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Speaker 1: presented by Yundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always,

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Speaker 1: special thanks to our executive producer Jim I'm one hundred,

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Speaker 1: our associate producer Cuddie Fincher. For Zach Kershman, I'm Craig Rayeldu.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two.