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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Welcome back. You know what we're doing this week?

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Speaker 1: The playoffs continue, so there's plenty to talk about this episode,

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Speaker 1: and oh the Jah James Harden and the Revs coming

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Speaker 1: back with just big dad energy, making a really interesting

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Speaker 1: things making us continue to be in love with the

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Speaker 1: NBA with our guest, jazz beat writer for the Athletic,

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Speaker 1: Tony Jones. I'm Miles Gray and I'm Jack O'Brien and

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Speaker 1: synchronization boom. Welcome back, y'all to another edition of Miles

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Speaker 1: Miles Gray and I love Jack and I'm Morley Safer

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Speaker 1: our guests. We are thrilled to beat wined by Utah.

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Speaker 1: You has beat writer for the Athletic, Mr Tony Jones.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Tony, How are you guys? Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited to have you. Where are you coming

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Speaker 1: to us from? Are we talking around from? From? Not

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Speaker 1: just like right now currently your living room. I'm at

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Speaker 1: home in my living room. I just eight and you're

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Speaker 1: in Utah and I'm in Utah, okay. And then where

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Speaker 1: are you from from? I'm from New York, Okay. I've

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Speaker 1: heard of that place, Nicks fan. I am a huge

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Speaker 1: hard next died hard. What do you mean by that?

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Speaker 1: There was a there was a certain to that. I

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Speaker 1: really like, what do you what does that mean to you?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it just it's just it's just disappointment. You know,

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Speaker 1: from when h john Starts went two for eighteen in

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Speaker 1: games first this man sling us in five and nine

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Speaker 1: and you know my guys Stephan Marlburry coming back to

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Speaker 1: York and that ended up well to to us finally

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Speaker 1: being competent again with Jason Kidd and Carmelo Anthony and

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Speaker 1: Amri Stott ameyer to the last decade of just futility.

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Speaker 1: What's the Knicks memory that you hold near and dear

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Speaker 1: to your heart? The next memory that I hold near

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Speaker 1: and dear in my heart? Um, you know obviously Larry

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Speaker 1: Johnson's four point of play. M like young Mark Jackson.

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Speaker 1: This is when I was a kid like young Mark Jackson.

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Speaker 1: You know, a fresh out of St. John's. He was

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Speaker 1: shout out to Bishop Locklin because he went to Bishop

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Speaker 1: Blocklan and I grew up like five blocks away from

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Speaker 1: Bishop Blocklin, And you know, just all of my good

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Speaker 1: memories are from the nineties. But the ambiance of being

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Speaker 1: in the garden and going to basketball games, you can't

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Speaker 1: be every year, I say, you know, like my Mets.

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Speaker 1: You know, I say the same thing. This is the year,

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Speaker 1: this is the year. Hey, you might have something with

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Speaker 1: the Mets this year. My house, too bad not too

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Speaker 1: is the best player in Major League Baseball. But we're

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Speaker 1: here to talk basketball, Tony, and to redirect this to

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Speaker 1: becoming a full on Mets podcast because I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: uh gotta talk about you know, just the last week

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Speaker 1: or so has been fantastic, filled with wonderful, wonderful moments. Jack.

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Speaker 1: I know you're feeling a song for John Morant in

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Speaker 1: your heart yet again. Yeah, I'm holding a torch carrying

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Speaker 1: it around my house. Real quick. I have to tell

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Speaker 1: Mark Jackson story. So, my dad, Tony is a is

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Speaker 1: a basketball coach or he's retired now, but he was

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Speaker 1: an assistant with the Knicks when they drafted Mark Jackson

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Speaker 1: Jim O'Brien. Yeah, so he was an assistant or Patino

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Speaker 1: there he Uh, they draft Mark Jackson. I'm like six

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Speaker 1: so so the story was all about how everyone told

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Speaker 1: Mark Jackson. He was a Rookie of the Year even

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Speaker 1: though he wasn't like, you know, one of the one

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Speaker 1: was a fun team. Those were fun days in New York. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: New York. He was a bucket getter. Uh yeah, yeah, alright, well,

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Speaker 1: We'll see how the series plays out. It might be

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Speaker 1: recorded our last episode right before he dropped forty seven,

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Speaker 1: including the final fifth team for the Grizzlies. You know,

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Speaker 1: became the first player to score forty five plus and

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Speaker 1: like there's this one play uh you know, I think

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Speaker 1: Joh just you know puts it in over everybody with

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Speaker 1: a proposed because Jordan Pool been doing at the defenders

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter when Jah took over was I don't know again.

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Speaker 1: It's just right, he's just moving and more locked in

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Speaker 1: lot of people question that decision by you. But like

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Speaker 1: I think there's been a conversation happening. What level is

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Speaker 1: that incredible second half against the Wolves where he had

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Speaker 1: in the jaw era now, you know, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: You gotta have dynamic pick and role players. You've gotta

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Speaker 1: And you know, you look at some of the best

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Speaker 1: though they're small. Dallas is just a bear. They're they're

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Speaker 1: bare structurally, and you know, obviously Luca, you know, he

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Speaker 1: telps the scales in a major way. And you know what,

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Speaker 1: and shout out to Jason Kidd, not only Jason Kidd,

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Speaker 1: but shot out the coast off his chief assistant. Those

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Speaker 1: two guys have main coaching their behinds off all year

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Speaker 1: and that's continued in some playoffs. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean

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Speaker 1: Jason Kidd used to torture me when I was a

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Speaker 1: Celtics fan and he was just putting them out of

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Speaker 1: the playoffs every year. That was the first time I

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Speaker 1: saw somebody where I was like, oh, they are a

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Speaker 1: computer that always just puts the ball in the exact

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Speaker 1: right position every single time for like optimum and then

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Speaker 1: Lebron like has done that his entire career. But Jason

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Speaker 1: Kidd was the first time where watching someone do that

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Speaker 1: felt very helpless, like, oh man, I just can't stop

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Speaker 1: him from making the decision. Let's take a quick break

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Speaker 1: and then we'll be right back. And we're back. It's

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Speaker 1: time to ask our guests. Tony. Uh, you know, what

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Speaker 1: is the wildest thing you've ever seen on the basketball court?

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Speaker 1: To you? With whether you saw it as on TV

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Speaker 1: or just experience, but what is what is that moment

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00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 1: to you that kind of defines you just being like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to hear the wildest thing that I've

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Speaker 1: seen on the basketball court because in the NBA game,

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Speaker 1: And that's just on the basketball part, Okay, alright, so me,

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Speaker 1: we're not talking about the wildest thing. Okay that that

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Speaker 1: would have ended up and uh yeah that that was

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Speaker 1: not good. Um, we're talking just the NBA game. While

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Speaker 1: this thing we've seen an NBA game probably uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: the chase down block in Yeah, that's got to be

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Speaker 1: one of the greatest players ever, right right, yeah, either

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Speaker 1: side of the court. Yeah, just incredible, Like wow, block

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Speaker 1: of the game that's we come up on the middle

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Speaker 1: of the half pro Lebron run as fast as that.

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Speaker 1: Ever since then? Has there anyone, I mean, the determination

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Speaker 1: what that block meant, I don't know. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if he has, you know, shout out j R. Smith

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Speaker 1: who made Um Andrea Goodalla change his shot exactly Without

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Speaker 1: that initial contest from j r. Um, Lebron gets dumped on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right right were you were you kind of a

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Speaker 1: career long Lebron fan. Yeah, I've always been at so

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00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: some fact about me. I was born in Akron, Ohio. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was adopted. So that's why I grew

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Speaker 1: up in New York because the woman who would adopted me,

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Speaker 1: my mother moved in New York and that's where I

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Speaker 1: grew up. But my siblings all grew up in Akron,

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Speaker 1: so niece's nephews. Point being, I was probably a Lebron

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Speaker 1: family just because of that, right, Yeah. Did you play

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Speaker 1: a lot growing up? Oh? Yeah, I got played. Who

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Speaker 1: are some of the people you you come up against

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Speaker 1: UH during that time. My high school teammate was Mark Jackson,

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Speaker 1: who not that Mark Jock, not the point guard. Yea,

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Speaker 1: I played that Roman Catholic in Philly. Played with and

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Speaker 1: against a lot of people Coatino Mobley, Alvin Williams, played

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Speaker 1: against the she Wallace. Okay, those are those are people

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Speaker 1: that you know. I grew up with when I was

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Speaker 1: in New York before I left New York stat Farm, Malberry,

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Speaker 1: Philippe Lopez, Reggie Freeman. My sophomore year when I was

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Speaker 1: at our say Lutheran, I played with Caboo Stewart who

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Speaker 1: played for the Philadelphia seventy six ers. So I mean

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Speaker 1: I've played with and against a lot of people that

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Speaker 1: played in the league. Was your best moment playing in

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Speaker 1: and what was? Did you ever get embarrassed that? But

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Speaker 1: you're proud to say you were embarrassed by somebody? So

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Speaker 1: my best moment, I would say one of my best

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Speaker 1: moment was actually in sunny Hill practice, because um my

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Speaker 1: sunny Hill League team, we had Alvin Williams who played

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Speaker 1: a vine over played for the Toronto Raptors and Alvin

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Speaker 1: people don't realize probably had I would say Alvin Williams

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Speaker 1: had one of the ten best crossovers in NBA history,

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Speaker 1: and people don't he doesn't get credit for it. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, when we're in high school, everybody said, yo,

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Speaker 1: don't press up on album because he's just gonna cross

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Speaker 1: you know, he's six five and he was long or whatever.

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Speaker 1: So one day I played for John Hartnett, who was

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Speaker 1: legendary coach, a whole bunch of pros rest in piece

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Speaker 1: of John. But we were scrimmaging and on one possession,

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Speaker 1: Alvin came down and he hit me with one of

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Speaker 1: his crossovers like left the right. I basically did the

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Speaker 1: Jordan pool like I touched Earth and and you know

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Speaker 1: it was it was bad enough, like they stopped practice.

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Speaker 1: So so I was just like, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I was just like, effic like, I'm gonna go and

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Speaker 1: get him back. So the next time I came up

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Speaker 1: the floor, I called the play and album was pressing

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Speaker 1: up on me, and I crossed them back over and

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Speaker 1: he stumbled and he almost fell touched earth, and everybody

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Speaker 1: was like, oh, the funny thing about that was I

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Speaker 1: went from like getting no playing time up to that

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Speaker 1: point to get my twenty minutes a game just because.

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Speaker 1: So that was probably one of my best moments. I

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Speaker 1: love that you got the up and the down all

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Speaker 1: in one very clean Yeah, it was like up and down,

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Speaker 1: like two possessions. But yeah it was fun. All right.

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Speaker 1: So we're coming to the end of the So this

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Speaker 1: is where we like to talk about some of the

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Speaker 1: funniest things we've seen this week. Last week we already

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Speaker 1: gave a shout out to the dude falling asleep front

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Speaker 1: row at the Sixers game, but we gotta follow the

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Speaker 1: saga between the NBA refs, Jack Harlow the NBA reft

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Speaker 1: bringing big Dad energy. Um, Miles, do you have the clip?

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Speaker 1: Do you want to? You want to just like tell

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Speaker 1: us what is happening in this clip? I mean yeah,

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Speaker 1: so we I think last week we covered I believe

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Speaker 1: it Scott Foster and Ed malloy who were confounded by

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Speaker 1: the presence of Jack Harlow. They said it was Jack Harlow. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and you know that he's that guy over there? Yeah,

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00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: but who is he? What did you'all think of his album? No,

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Speaker 1: I don't listen to Jack Harlo. I mean, I'm the

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Speaker 1: Scott Foster of this podcast. That's what we were saying,

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00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,479
Speaker 1: we're like, wow, man, were washed because look at us.

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00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: We were quoting uh the Woo Tang Double album lyrics

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Speaker 1: a second ago from nineties seven or ninety six, and

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Speaker 1: now we're like Jack har Look, I mean, I've heard

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Speaker 1: of a few of his things. I know he's he's

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Speaker 1: nice with it. Well, I wanted to skip summer school

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Speaker 1: that year, so I just got the Woo Tang Double

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Speaker 1: LP and that was all the education that I needed.

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00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, that moment, I think, you know it was

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Speaker 1: it was very hilarious, and I think for him, he

548
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: used that to troll a bit. But you know, the

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00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: refs clapped back in epic fashion where they were just saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, actually, we do know who Jack Harlow is.

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Speaker 1: Where's Jack Carlo's the guy over here right here? Oh

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00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: so now we got them walking into a dabbing people

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Speaker 1: hotel lobby. I didn't get why he gives that one

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Speaker 1: guy the cold shoulder. That's the other ref. He's like,

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00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: hey man, And so now they're all on the ref

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Speaker 1: in the car back Jack dance like and I'm not okay,

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00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: Scott Foster does it okay? Job too, Like he he's

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Speaker 1: I knows the words that was pretty good. That was fire, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because he had a little flavor. I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 1: Jack's album is pretty good. I mean based off that,

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Speaker 1: I was like, no, it's that there's like fourteen songs

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Speaker 1: of that. Oh say less. I think I'm too focused

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00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: on Kendrick's album coming out this week that I was like, Okay, yes, yes, listen,

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be a time for Kendrick. All right, Friday

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00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: is gonna come. You know what I'm saying that Carlo

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00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: like think of mac Miller. Okay, let me not go

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00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: that far because if people on social media here that

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Speaker 1: I said Jack Carlo mac Miller, they're gonna care. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that Jack Carlow was as good as mac

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Speaker 1: Miller because he's not. Mac Miller was more talented. But

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Speaker 1: it's the same type of stous you know, the same

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00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: type of hip hop. I'm here for it. I'm here

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Speaker 1: for it, and I'm here for refs, you know, to

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00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: say I'm not a fashioned niece. I'm like, ok, really

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00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: nailing that delivery. But I'm flying though. Man, I'm curious

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Speaker 1: what they're listening to in the locker room before the games.

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00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: Probably not. Yeah, like John Tesh. Probably just the John

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00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: Tesh basketball theme, like over and over again. That's what

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00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: gets me pumped. Man tes roundball, rock around. That's right,

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00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: that's but yeah, I long made this. Uh, I don't

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Speaker 1: know meme last I'm I'm curious. Yeah, we'll see if

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00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: there's an escalation or not, if if there's a response,

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Speaker 1: But I don't know. It's always nice to see a

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Speaker 1: sense of humor from from everybody involved. I can't imagine

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Speaker 1: that this is crossing Jack Harlow's radar at all. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure it is all right maybe, but like if he

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Speaker 1: comes back and it's like, you know, claps back, it's

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00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: got Foster, it's like a drake push a feud. Oh wow, right,

589
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: but I think it would be hilarious on the next track,

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Speaker 1: it's like Jack Harlow featuring Scott Foster and Ed Malloyd,

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00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: like just a feature with those full names. I would like, Oh,

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00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: you know he's gonna play that clip. Who's Jack Harlow.

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00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: I have no idea right there that's gonna be that

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Speaker 1: that little sound clip is going to be how you

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Speaker 1: open a show. Yeah, exactly, Well, Tony, such a pleasure

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Speaker 1: having you. Thank you so much for joining us man.

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00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it.

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00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff? Well,

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Speaker 1: you can find me on T Jones on the n

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Speaker 1: b A, on Instagram, T John's Athletic and nobody uses

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00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: Facebook anymore? True Miles, where can people find you? Find me?

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00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: At Miles of Gray? Wherever you have at symbols? Jack?

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00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: Where can they find you? Jack Underscore O'Brien only on

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00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: Twitter and on the Daily Sight guys, yep, Monday through Friday. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can find me waiting two hours and then checking

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Speaker 1: the sixer score? Uh to see you? How long this

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00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: season is gonna lack? Alright, y'all, we'll catch you next time.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for checking in with Mad Boosties. I'm sure we'll

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Speaker 1: have plenty more to talk about next week. All right,

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Speaker 1: take care your so bye bye