WEBVTT - Ep. 49: Deep Fried Reading Rainbow Trout 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:08.480 You've gotta be a lot smarter than that if you're 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:11.719 gonna Rick roll, Joe Surmelli, I was like, not today, 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:15.960 Rick Astley, not today. I don't need big screen TVs 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:19.680 and and sports when I can watch people making asses 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:22.560 of themselves trying to dock in front of a rowdy crowd. 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:24.239 And we'll be back next week to give us a 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:26.840 hack on how to properly put those on and remove 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:29.480 them with Google from all the ship that leads. Day later, 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:33.720 I'm going to ask you about Australian Santa. Feel good 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:41.720 about that? Great wow, Good morning, degenerate anglers. Welcome to 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:44.199 Ben the fishing podcast that struggles to get your ride 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:46.040 at home from its favorite bar because it only has 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:49.920 a three star rating on Uber. I'm Joe Surmelli, I'm 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:54.080 Miles Nulty, and and I'm I'm a little confused by 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:57.240 that set up. Are you an Uber driver? Now? Are 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:00.279 you like noon lighting as an Uber driver? No? No, no, no, 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:05.320 no no no no. Drivers can rate passengers too, that yeah, 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:08.920 like if I get yes, right, Like if I get 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:10.880 in Homeboys car And for the record, this is this 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:13.480 is totally hypothetical, But if I get in dude's car, 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:16.119 wearing like soaking wet waiters and leave behind a trail 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:18.760 of mud and like sand or bunk or slime or something, 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:21.520 and then tip him in in ski ball tickets, which 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:23.000 I've been known to do because I always have a 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:26.800 lot of very good skiball player um that he can 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:30.520 give me a bad rating so that future drivers don't 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:33.680 make the mistake of picking me up. Real real thing. Yes, 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:39.200 so I can get black balled as a Uber passenger, 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:41.840 like I can. I can get like cut out, like 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:44.880 don't pick this dude up totally. And you can also 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:48.160 get blackballed as an Airbnb guest. That what I know 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:51.320 about that. I was Yeah, okay, see I I was recently. 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:54.080 I was recently. I'm proud I was just rated as 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:56.280 a five star gas, which means I didn't have a 0:01:56.400 --> 0:02:01.360 foam party or steal the linens or anything. Yeah, but real, 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:05.680 grown up, it pays to be nice to Uber drivers, um, 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:07.400 and if you if you must leave a mess in 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:11.000 the car, like at least compensate with a hefty tip, 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:15.320 right like real American money, because that's the beauty of capitalism. 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:17.840 You can buy your way out of the consequences of 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:21.760 almost any any bad behavior. Any mistake a lesson I 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:25.400 hope you're teaching to your children. But you know, setting 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:30.040 aside ugly cultural side effects of Western industrialization, we do 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:34.720 live in a society, as you're pointing out, where crowdsourced 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:39.640 ratings are growing increasingly important. Right. For example, the fact 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.480 that we are the lowest rated of all the Mediator 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:46.120 brand podcasts on Apple, a lowly four and a half 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:50.639 stars out of five, likely means that we're missing out 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.919 on perspective listeners simply because a few people out there 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.919 either don't understand or can't appreciate the value of satire. 0:02:57.520 --> 0:02:59.720 I'm proud of that. Like, sometimes you have to, like 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:03.239 if you don't have a perfect rate, and that means 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:06.639 you've you've you've ruffled some feathers. And I'm about that. 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:10.120 But all those people who I do have a modest 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:14.200 proposal for all of them. Um But but group think 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:17.360 ranking of goods and services has become a huge part 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:21.160 of how we choose what to consume, you know what 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:23.120 I mean? Like, we now have so many choices about 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:26.760 what we eat, watch, listen to and buy that we're 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:30.760 just desperately searching for help to figure out what we 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:33.640 should consume and I mean, we're all guilty of it. 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.960 I do it not, especially like if I'm traveling hotel 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.880 and motel reviews that's everything to me. The doctored photos 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:41.880 of the room won't tell you about the blood on 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:45.000 the carpet, and like the half eaten egg salad left 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:49.720 in the mini fridge um and see, it depends on 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:51.800 how you look at it, and that's that's the point. 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.720 It's like that one guy's bad review. You might be like, 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:58.880 I'd be happy if there was this is the right exactly. 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:01.920 And I can also spend our wars literally hours reading 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:05.280 reviews on Amazon, and I'll go into a tailspin of 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.680 indecision because even though like that one toaster of and 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.600 I've been eyeing it has four thousand good reviews. You know, 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:15.640 Alan and Iowa wrote a really compelling, angry missive about 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.800 how his his kitchen counter was set on fire, and 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:21.080 it's the one like all of them can be good, 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:23.279 but you can read that one you're like, oh no, yes, 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:25.440 what if it sets my counter on fire too? I 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:27.360 don't want to be like Alan. Yeah, I don't want 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:30.679 to be I know, I know, And and the fact 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:35.039 is you really shouldn't care what Alan in Iowa says, 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:39.000 but you do, right, You shouldn't care, but you do. 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:42.159 You know what you should care about, though, you should 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.520 care that we give thirteen Fishings Whipper Snapper jerk Bait 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:49.680 a five out of five star review because we do. Yeah, 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.600 we do, and you should because uh, well, for one thing, 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:57.719 they sponsor this show, they do, but that I actually 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:01.520 I'm gonna set up part aside and said fish been 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:03.960 fishing it recently, and I like that short bait so 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:06.800 by it's it's just a badass, well tune little bait 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:10.760 that that it plays plays big on small water right 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:14.600 like it's it's it's skinny, it darts, it slashes, it 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:17.800 slashes and darts. Um. And it's become a favorite of mine, 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:21.279 like for wet waiting summer Smalley's and it's gonna hurt 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.200 some trout this winter. I can't wait for that. I 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:25.560 know it. Um, that's a kind of review. I could 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:27.599 just cut and paste that right into the Amazon review 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:31.520 and then Alan might buy one. Exactly. Yeah, we can 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:33.839 only hope, and I hope you do that, but we 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.520 The point being, Amazon reviews are a dark, dark, deep pit. 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:41.760 I both love and hate them because it feels like 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:45.240 we're in the situation where everyone in the world has 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:48.960 turned into the characters from High Fidelity. You guys, it's 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:52.679 not We're not not seriously, you're totally elitist. You feel 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.599 like the unappreciated scholars. So your shipped on the people 0:05:55.600 --> 0:06:01.280 who know lesson which is everybody. Yeah, it's just sad that. 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.839 A couple of weeks ago, we had Brad Leone on 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:09.240 the show and Joe asked him which fish is the 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:16.039 most overrated? Yes, right, And to my disappointment, he responded 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.159 none of them, which was just a slightly lesser cop 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:23.080 out than his refusal to choose between kvs He and Popeyes. 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.920 In my opinion, give Brad a break. I like Brad, 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:28.800 He's like a lot. But but to be fair to 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.640 your point, right, that's that's how you survive public scrutiny 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:36.719 and remain popular, like you enough sometimes right, Um? But 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:38.760 even though so, maybe Brad is not welling a risk 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:42.080 his reputation over like a knee jerk opinion. We are 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.720 because we're not famous or popular, so I'll say anything 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:48.960 to anybody. I don't give a ship, right, um, and Miles, 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:53.599 we've actually compiled for you, like our Desert Island Top 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.920 three lists of the most underrated fish to eat and 0:06:56.960 --> 0:07:00.279 the most overrated fish to eat. Yes, we will step 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.000 out on this limb, put ourselves out there. So I'll 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:08.440 start with with underrated. For me, my first one, and 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.000 this isn't any order, just the first one. I'm going 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:14.320 with escalar. We've talked about escalar in the past, but 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:18.880 I feel like this is an underappreciated fish because, like 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.200 they make it up, they have it's white tuna. White 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:23.440 tuna doesn't exist. There's no need to dress it up 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.480 under a fake name. It's so good on its own. 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:31.120 The colloquial term you see sometimes uses butterfish, which I 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:35.000 think is right because it's just rich and fatty and 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:40.520 delicious pearl white meat and so good. Part of the 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.440 reason I think that this fish gets hated on is 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:45.400 if you look it up online, they're all they're they're 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:47.480 a bunch of people. They're all these posts and things 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:50.760 about how, oh, if you eat too much you'll get 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:54.400 gastro intestinal issues. People call it x lax fish. I 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.400 don't know, man. I've eaten a lot of escalar, also 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:00.960 known as Waldo Waldo and Hawaii, and I've never ever 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:03.400 had any problems, well, like if you eat too much 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:05.360 taco bell, it will be the same problem. You know 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:07.200 what I mean. But I did, I've eaten, I've eaten 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.240 how I've eaten pounds of the ship in one sitting, 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:12.000 Like I got a one time. I saw it in 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:14.440 a local seafood place and bought like a whole steak 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:16.400 and just whacked it up and ate it. I've never 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:20.080 had any gastro intentional issues from from eating it. So 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:22.960 that's why this fits on this list. I think. Don't 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:26.120 believe the hype. Yeah yeah, so number two for me 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:30.559 the second one. Anyway, blue gill and people at least 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:32.880 in the Midwest right now are screaming about this and 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:36.480 like blue gill aren't underappreciated. We love them all the time. Yes, 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:40.080 some of you do, but a lot don't. A lot 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:42.840 of people, if they're pan fishing, prefer to hold out 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.680 for the croppy or the perch. I say, give me 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:50.640 the gills right because they're easy to catch, their super available. 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.720 You can you can limit out quickly. They're easy to scale, 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.360 which I think is nice. And when you go out 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.400 and catch up at the little ones, you just you 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:02.480 scale them. You gut Hm, you fry them whole and 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:06.600 it's damn good man. I think blue giller underappreciated as 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:08.560 a food fish. Yeah, but see we have a different 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:11.040 perspective on that because of that whole ease of catching things. 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.360 So I've eaten blue gill right, and it is very good, 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:17.080 no doubt. I think there's definitely a cultural thing here, 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:19.480 and by and large, I think people in the Northeast 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:23.160 don't eat bluegills, and to be honest, I have I 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.840 have very little interest in it. And because I think 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.680 part of what makes this is for me speaking for myself, 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:32.920 makes a meal of fresh fish more enjoyable is the pursuit, 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:34.960 you know, like you put in a long, hard day 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.400 for those fluke or tuna or snakeheads or even big 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.400 cropp ease. And do you ever have somebody joke like, well, 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:42.040 you know, I could go to the store and buy 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:44.199 tuna for a lot cheaper than you just spent, but 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.559 you know, run off short. But if you're an angler, 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.120 that's all part of it. It's all like part of 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:52.280 the pursuit. But bluegills are everywhere. In my opinion, it's 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:54.920 like it's too easy, Like I can literally drive down 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.959 the street with two slices of wonderbread and catch enough 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.200 blue gills for a fish fry in twe I mean 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:03.520 it's every single day from April to November exactly. Now. 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.120 To me, if the only reason you fish is if 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.160 to put food on the table, that's appealing, but it 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:12.800 isn't for me, Like I'd rather use those blue gills 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.839 to catch a flathead and then cook the flathead because 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.800 now those easy bluegills are becoming part of that bigger pursuit. 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.680 I see, I see what you're saying. But that's why 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.280 I think they're underrated, because people take them for granted. 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:29.480 And that's that's that's why there's no right or wrong. 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:31.920 You're not wrong, it's just two different perspectives on it. Today. 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:33.920 It's like that's so easy. They're swimming right there, like 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:38.760 that's take like ten minutes exactly. Know which My third 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:43.360 one is scorpion fish and this is my sleep this 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:45.840 is the one. I'll admit this one with which I 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:50.560 have the least experience, and and scorpion fish are they're 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:53.120 really ugly if you've ever seen like, they're kind of 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:56.199 scary looking it and they have these again bad reputation. 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:58.400 They have venom in their dorsal fins, and if you 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.960 step on one, it can give you nasty sting. And 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:06.679 I have avoided them up until recently. But not too 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.000 long ago, I was I was back in Hawaii and 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:12.880 my cousins brought a big, like a whole big scorpion 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:16.520 fish back to the house. And I will never shy 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:20.080 away from those fish again. It was so good. It 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.360 was so good. And they're they're scorpion fish all over 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:23.880 the world. You can find them in all the different 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:28.640 oceans all over the place. Their meat it's like firm 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:32.680 and it's white, and it's just delicious they have. It's 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:34.920 not one of those bland white meat fish. It's got 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:38.720 interesting texture and flavor. And they also have these massive heads. 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:41.400 They're kind of like they look like giants sculping. Yeah, 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:43.920 and you can take those heads. And this is for real. 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:46.440 I just did it. They make the best fish stock 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:50.400 I've ever eaten, so good. I've never eaten scorpion fish. 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:52.440 I I love to try it, I just have not 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:56.679 had um the chance. So I'll switch into my list here, 0:11:57.000 --> 0:12:00.800 and I feel like I'm beating a dead horse, but 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:05.120 my number one most underrated take a guess, I think, 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:08.160 I know, I think I know where you're going. Right. 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:11.520 It is really the only fresh water fish I genuinely 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.600 get excited to eat because it's just so different from 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:18.760 your standard walleye or catfish. UM. And I've never fed 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:23.080 it to anyone an he's skeptic that wasn't blown away 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:26.240 by everything about it after they tried it. I have 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:29.360 no personal experience, but I've I've heard your gospel, and 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:31.800 I look forward to crushing some fried snakes on your 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:35.000 back porch with a double tall cocktail. I hope we 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:36.880 do it someday soon, because I want we will do that. 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.199 We need to do that. Um. Next up for me, right, 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.640 would be the Atlantic bonito, which is not to be 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:46.480 confused with the bonita, the A and the O. Okay, 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:50.000 very important because bonita with the A and that's just 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:54.240 the common Southern name for false albacore. Right, Bonito with 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:56.240 the O or lumped in with the mackerels and tunas, 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:59.520 and they don't freeze, well, they freeze like ship. But 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:05.280 Benito is outstanding. It makes terrific Yeah, yeah, it makes 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:09.319 terrific sashimi poku sevich. It's outstanding on the grill and 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.280 it's very flavorful without any of the like the really 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:16.199 strong oily taste of a lot of the mackerels. I 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:18.560 kind of liken it to it's like Spanish mackerel meats 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.040 yellow fin kind of. And they're also just a blast 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:23.760 to catch on light tackle, just speed demons. I only 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:26.240 got to do this once, but I can confirm when 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:29.200 when eating fresh bonito or damn good, I'm waiting there. Yeah, 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:31.840 and last and last, i'd say northern Pike. And I 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.720 fully understand that's that's not the case on parts of 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:39.000 the midwest of Canada UM where I live, though, and 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:42.720 even I think kind of out west where you are, UM, 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:44.839 people just still want the wall eyes and the perch 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.880 and the pike kind of get overlooked. And I remember 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.120 the first time I ever had it was in Saskatchewan, 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:52.599 and I couldn't get over how good it was. I 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:55.920 actually like it better, dare I say, than Wally, And 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.200 I've had it a bunch since. I'd actually eat it 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.839 more often locally, But anyone who watched season one of 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:04.120 b Side Fishing knows my local pike water is full 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.920 of PCBs and heavy metals, so I refrain from doing 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.440 that but when I get a chance from cleaner water. 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:15.400 Absolutely so. You know, so I underrated overrated Europe. I know, 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:17.480 I know what. I know what one of your overrated 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:21.280 you do everybody knows before I get there. I'm with 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.040 you on the pike, which which actually that totally teased 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:26.040 me up for my first overrated fish. We don't really 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.320 need to talk about this. We've already done it. It's Walleye, 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:30.880 end of story. We can move on. We get it. 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:36.360 Number two for me though, Marlin, Okay, marlin are amazing 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:40.040 sport fish. But the only marlin I've ever eaten that 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.120 I thought was really good, like I look forward to, 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:45.600 was smoked, and we've it Wasn't the fish right? If 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:49.680 it's it's the preparation, So steak Marlon, you can. I'd 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:52.360 rather that fish be swimming around. It's just not to me. 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.600 It's just not worth it. My number three and and 0:14:55.640 --> 0:15:00.000 this is probably the most overrated food fish on the planet. 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:05.680 It if you ask me, salmon. I do not understand 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:08.480 why people like salmon so much. I don't get it. 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:12.680 It's fine, but I can't. I cannot, for the life 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:16.200 of me to understand why salmon is the most ubiquitous 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:19.520 food fish on the planet. It's it's just not that good. 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:23.440 It's it's it's often mushy, and it's either fishy or 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.840 just totally bland. Sorry, I don't get the salmon thing. 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:29.600 It's just I don't get it. I did. I'm I'm 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:31.320 right there with you on all accounts here, right, Like 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.600 I don't get the wall Like Craze, I I'd never 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:38.280 personally kill a marlin, period, right. And while I like 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.760 salmon sushi, I could frankly just give a shit about 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:44.040 a cook piece of salmon now, like fresh caught in Alaska. Sure, 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:47.360 like that's like a treat, right, Otherwise like farmed or 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:50.760 shipped out. I just I'm just not interested. And similarly, 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:55.600 I also find just trout extremely overrated. And I'm sorry, 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:58.120 I'm sorry if I piss anyone off of that, but 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:02.240 I just think trout are bland end and completely uninteresting. 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.600 And I'm talking about wild ones too, not just stockers, right, 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:08.040 I'm talking about the wild ones too. It's edible and 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:10.360 like you feel all cool cooking one, you know, on 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.840 a campfire. It's yeah, I was about to say, it's 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.640 good if you're like out in the back country. Yeah, 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.160 because then it's like it's like part of the little experience, 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:20.640 like you know. But but will I ever be excited 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.400 to eat a trout? No, I will not. Um. And 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.360 finally I find I find fluke and flounder very overrated, 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.000 and so many of my Jersey people are cursing me 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:33.360 out right now. It's good, it's very good, but it's 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:35.120 so mild to me. It's one of those fish that 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:38.000 just tastes like whatever you put on it. Um. And 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:40.200 as far as Northeast inshore fish go, I will take 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:42.680 a dog or a black sea bass over a fluke 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.360 any day of the week. So all right, there you 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:50.520 have it. Waly and salmon universally overrated. We might be 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:54.480 the only people who pick scorpion fish and snaked over salmon. 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.320 Although something tells me that our first guest, who we've 0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:59.360 had on this show before and is not afraid to 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:03.600 express controversial opinions, Abby Schuster, might actually agree with us. 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.200 So must week on Trivia, Miles is going to ask 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:09.240 Abby about a kind of salmon that actually might be underrated, 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:12.159 at least as a food fish. You gotta be highly 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:15.000 skilled for these shows. You understand that if I don't 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.720 under are you well versed there? You very smart man. 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:22.040 All right, joining us for our trivia game today, we 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:25.679 have guide captain and owner of Kisman Outfitters on Martha's Vineyard, 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:29.280 Abbey Schuster. Abby. Thanks for making some time for us, 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:33.560 Thanks for having me absolutely all right. So we brought 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:37.000 you here to play a little trivia, And uh, I 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:39.480 guess I feel sort of honor bound to inform you 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:41.760 that in our version of trivia, you you can't actually 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:45.280 win anything, but you do risk losing some dignity. So 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:51.000 you know, but bar trivia, you win something you wouldn't 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:53.800 have a beer around of drinks or something. Nothing, No 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:58.040 free drinks here, you get nothing. Uh So the first 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:00.639 time you and I crossed paths, I was working on 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:04.159 an Atlantic salmon film project, and you were you were 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:05.920 like one of our go to people to help tell 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:08.960 the story of the younger generation of East Coast anglers 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:11.600 who grew up without the chance to fish for Atlantics, 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:14.680 and and I just that was like my first introduction 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:16.000 to who you were and which you were all about. 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:18.960 And and also the first time I really dug into 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:22.560 that sad story, which is kind of a shame. It's 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:26.399 not hopeful one. And that's something you know, we've touched 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:28.159 on a little bit here in the past, and hopefully 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.040 we'll be able to touch on the future with with 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:33.919 some more positivity. And so just from from that experience, 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:36.160 I know that you have a decent knowledge base when 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:39.040 it comes to Atlantic salmon, and and regular listeners to 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:42.879 this show will know that I probably spend a maybe 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:45.720 too much time talking about Pacific salmon. So instead of 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:50.119 all that, I am going to ask you about Australian salmon. 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:56.439 Do you feel good about that? This sounds like it's 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:58.280 gonna be a fun question, because the intro was kind 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:00.600 of downer. I gotta say I had to turn it around. 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:04.760 I had to turn Let me just say that you're 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:11.560 going to win the legs and you're dying. But here's 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:13.720 the good part. Ozzie's love to have a good time 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:16.399 and Australian salmon are are not in trouble at all. 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:22.760 So let's play. These are all multiple choice, Okay, all right? 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:27.919 Which of the following is not a colloquial name for 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:36.440 Australian salmon A Hawaii b cocky salmon see new fish, 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:42.280 d budgee salmon, or e colonial salmon. Which one of 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:46.880 those is not a name for Australian salmon. You're going 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:51.919 with colonial salmon. Yeah, I'm sorry, that is incorrect. No, no, no, 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:56.040 it would be d the Budgee salmon, because I totally 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:59.400 made that up. Because that's a reference to the budget smuggler, 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:02.280 which is a very different slang term in or either 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:05.520 you guys familiar with that one? Nope, but you have 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:08.880 to you have to tell now, don't make me Urban dictionary. 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:11.639 You should. Uh, you don't even have to do that. 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:13.520 So the budget smuggler, if you if you refer to 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:15.520 that in Australia, you would be talking about a very 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:19.399 small speed. Oh that's that's what Okay, that makes sense. 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:22.280 And the term is actually so common that it was 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:27.560 entered into the Oxford English Dictionary in just moving on, 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:30.439 you got you got a chance for redemption here? Can 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:33.600 I just ask a question? One quick question? You can, okay, 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:36.720 just because I have to know when we say Australian salmon, 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:41.200 that's not like they don't call salmon something. More questions 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:43.760 and maybe this will all be revealed, right, I'm sorry, 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:47.520 I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Sorry, all right, Always always get 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:50.080 ahead of things, Joe, I'm a thinking man. I'm a 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:54.719 thinking man. Question number two, which species are Australian salmon 0:20:54.800 --> 0:21:00.000 most closely related to Pacific salmon, Atlantic salmon or three 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:07.600 finn salmon? Oh, Pacific salmon. Yeah, I'm sorry, you're you're 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:13.120 kind of on street here. Nobody knows these. Don't feel bad. 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:16.520 I don't know what he's talking about. To be fair, 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:18.840 I knew that one, but but I'm weird. So let 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:22.600 me clear this up. Neither Australian salmon or thread finn 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:25.919 salmon are actually salmon, nor are the two of them 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:28.520 even that closely related. They're just closer to each other 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.120 than they are the actual seal monits. There are no 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:34.520 actual native seal monits in Australia. This is uh, this 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:37.280 is one of those cases where like the settlers who 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:41.280 came from elsewhere went to Australia and and and the colonists, 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:43.800 we're trying to name fish, and they just named them 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:46.600 after fish. They already recognized and reused old names, even 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:49.000 though the two weren't related at all. Kind of like, 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:51.639 that's why that's why they have ten million cod? Yeah cod? Right, 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:56.960 they call everything a cop But we're going we're going 0:21:57.040 --> 0:21:59.240 long because I really like this category. So for once, 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:01.639 we're gonna have three questions. You still have a chance 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:06.600 to bring it back. I believe in you here, I 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:10.959