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Speaker 1: about that? Great wow, Good morning, degenerate anglers. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me absolutely all right. So we brought

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Speaker 1: knew I couldn't put anything over on that. I had

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Speaker 1: to go a different direction. Abby, Thanks so much. We

422
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 1: really appreciate you taking time. Thank you. Have you ever

423
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: eaten Australian salmon? No, I've never. I've never caught one.

424
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 1: I've never held one. I've never seen one. I've read

425
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 1: about him, and I know people who catch them. It

426
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: seems like they're kind of they're like the blue fish

427
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: of Australia. People think that's toily and they're only smoked right,

428
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 1: But I don't have any personal experience to draw from,

429
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: right and saying you can't pass judgment on any fish

430
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 1: without the pe, because we call it in media personal experience,

431
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 1: you know pe, like I said I did. I didn't

432
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: think pike would be good until somebody fed it to me,

433
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: and that experience allowed me to get excited about having

434
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: fried pike. When I was out in Wisconsin last summer,

435
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 1: I knew what I was in for and um our

436
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: next guest cooked it for me, Tim Land where who

437
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 1: runs Tight Lines fly fishing company. Um Tim showed me

438
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 1: some incredible smallmouth fishing on the Manominee River. And uh,

439
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: this week he's got a tackle hack that might help

440
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: you out when it comes to finesse fishing on the

441
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 1: surface in the heat of summer. I'm getting hats coming

442
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 1: from inside the city. Hike up, flood. Welcome to tackle Hacks,

443
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: where we call up somebody who knows a lot more

444
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 1: about fishing than we do to pass along some some knowledge,

445
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: some tip, information, something that will make you a better angler.

446
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: And today we've got my buddy Tim Land. We're on

447
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: the phone from Tight Lines Fly Fishing Company up in

448
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: Green Bay. What's going on, man? Not much? How you doing, Joe,

449
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. I'm gonna be better when this is

450
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: done because I'm gonna know something I didn't know before

451
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: and there there thereby be able to fish better. So

452
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 1: excited for learning for us. So I mean, you're you

453
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: specialize in all kinds of things which you do a

454
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: lot of small mouth predominantly fly. Um make us, make

455
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: us better long rot anglers, people who call it long rotting.

456
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: You just dropped pearls of wisdom right now, pearls wisdom

457
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: on your fellows. Well, one of the things that we

458
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: see right now, once we've rolled into our July and

459
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: August time on the river, the river drops out, we

460
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: lose all the water flow and we have to get

461
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: a little bit more technical, a little bit more finesse,

462
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: especially with our top water stuff. And what we see

463
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: an awful lot of times when we go to darker

464
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: colored patterns blacks olives, they blend perfectly into the river

465
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: so you can't see them, and the bites can be

466
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: very very small. So what I always do my hat

467
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: tackle hack is I buy the cheapest fluorescent orange fingernail

468
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: polish that I can find, and what I'll do is

469
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: I'll just keep that in my boat bag, you know'll

470
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: paint the top of a popper or the top of

471
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: a wiggly pattern with just that. Or if you guys

472
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: remember the old pulsa strike indicators with the adhesive the

473
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 1: adhive back. Yeah, yeah, crazy, Yeah, they're they're awesome. We

474
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: we still sell them in the shop. They're they're they're great.

475
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: I cut those in half and that adhesive is good

476
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: enough on those, as you know, because you can't get

477
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: the ship off your leader after you put them on there.

478
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: But you put that on the back of a popping

479
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: bug or a wiggly and now your clients can see

480
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: it and you can see it. So those two little

481
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: combination things in my boat bag are there all the

482
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: time for low water season. That's a great tip. Man.

483
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: Why do I feel like I'm the only one that

484
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: doesn't like the pulse and you guys are like, oh

485
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: love those And I was they used to twist my

486
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: line like crazy there. I must to put them on

487
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: wrong or something. I think that was a you problem, Joe, Yeah,

488
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: probably it's I think it's you'll be back next week

489
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: to give us a half on how to properly put

490
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: those on and remove them with Google from all the

491
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: ship that leaves on your leader. Yeah, that was presented

492
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: as a fly specific hack, but I can see that

493
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: working with conventional two right. Contrary to popular opinion, midsummer

494
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: fish will still eat on top, sometimes not as much,

495
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: but but sometimes you have to get more subtle and

496
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: smaller with your presentations. You can't just throw out the

497
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: big stuff and like have a big weight coming back.

498
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: You gotta go slow and you gotta go small. And

499
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: and that's where his his hack really helps out in

500
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: my experience, that's true, at least for all river fish

501
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: from trout to bass, even muskie. Right, if you go

502
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: super slow and downsize your baits, you might get blown

503
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: up on top Tim, Tim knows what he's talking about.

504
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: Oh I can. I can attest the Tim's prowess man.

505
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: His guide service and shop have five well deserved stars

506
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: on Google reviews. Good for him, must be good. Dude

507
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: obviously knows his stuff. Um, but we're about to find

508
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: out which one of us knows his stuff. In this

509
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: week's battle Fulfill's Best Review, it's time for fish news.

510
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: Fish news that escalated quickly before we hit news. We

511
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: have a little housekeeping. A couple of weeks ago, I

512
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: covered a news story about people painting turtles, and a

513
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: shocking number of you wrote in to tell me all

514
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: the reasons why a person might feel compelled to paint

515
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: a turtle shell. And so I feel like I have

516
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: to I have to give voice to some of these

517
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: because I was dumb. I have to. Ryan Knapp wrote,

518
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: Snapping turtles get run over by cars all the time.

519
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: They migrate to find places to lay their eggs in

520
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: sandy banks, then make their way back to water. Their

521
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: dark shells are hard to see against pavement. Hence traffic

522
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: cone Orange not supporting it, but it's pretty obvious how

523
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: someone could think they were being altruistic. So I missed

524
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,239
Speaker 1: the obvious one there. Oh yeah, So then we got

525
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: one from listener Cody Cantrell, who apparently comes from a

526
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: long line of turtle painters, because he wrote a heartwarming

527
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: tale about how he and his grandma used to enjoy

528
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: watching three toad box turtles on their walks together, and

529
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: how they would mark the shells with now polished so

530
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: they could distinguish and better get to know their local turtles. Um.

531
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: His town also has a spring festival that involves a

532
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: wild turtle race for kids, and he has painted the

533
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: shells of his kids racing turtles in various themes. So

534
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: we can meet that one too. And I felt I

535
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: felt a little like a jerk when I read that,

536
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: because it was it was so heartwarming. Uh, I was.

537
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: I was wrong on at least some level. I still

538
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: don't agree with turtle painting, but I have been educated.

539
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: You all have educated me on how it might happen

540
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: with good intention. Yeah yeah, and like and like. The

541
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: maya culpa was all fine and good, but several other

542
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: listeners were disappointed in that story for a completely different reason. Okay,

543
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: So Evan thread wrote, both Miles and Joe spent several

544
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: minutes discussing the subject without making one single teenage mutant

545
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: Ninja turtles reference. They are turtles who are named after

546
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: famous painters. Semi colon. The jokes wrote themselves. I feel

547
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: that this was a blatant oversight and a mistake that

548
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: you both should have avoided. I am severely disappointed, and

549
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: my day is ruined. I do believe this is something

550
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: I can look past moving forward, though it may take

551
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: some time. Man, that one hurt that would hurt Evan,

552
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: and and it struck a nerve because as soon as

553
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: I read it, I went yell, lew it And so

554
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: we do apologize, uh and and for that and whatever

555
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: else and to make up for it. I think this

556
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: might help Evan. Here's Here's a final email from Aaron Littera,

557
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: who has the whole thing figured out, and he wrote,

558
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: here's my theory on the turtle that was painted from

559
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: last week's Fish News. The turtle was painted orange to

560
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: look like the legendary teenage mutant ninja turtle Michael Angelo.

561
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: The perpetrator of this was none other than vanilla Ice.

562
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: In a moment of nostalgic passion, he tagged the turtle

563
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: and sang a little song as he worked. Go Ninja,

564
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: Go Ninja, Go Go go Ninja. This is how the

565
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: Secret of the Ooze comes full circle. Game set match.

566
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: There you have it. There it is uh man, But

567
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: who who knew myles stupid turtle painting story would elicit

568
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: such rancor um? Slow? It was a slow newsweek people, okay,

569
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: but better news. Uh, this is not a slow news week,

570
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: so prepare yourselves. And as a reminder, this is a

571
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: competition and normally Miles and I do not know which

572
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: news stories the other guy is bringing to the table,

573
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: but full disclosure, because we're about transparency here this week,

574
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: we do know at least most of them, okay, because

575
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: Myles has been cooking up a monster story. Um, and

576
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: he knows I've been cooking up a monster story in

577
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: the makeshift shed I built in the backyard, and I

578
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: had just enough robotusts and left to have it ready

579
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: for today. So even though there's uh not not much

580
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: element of surprise between us, our illustrious audio engineer Phil

581
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: will still be judging us, perhaps commenting on who delivered

582
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: their news with more pep flair and zing now and

583
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: since Joe's robo tripping and has been for days, I'll

584
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: give the edge there, but we'll see. So you you

585
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: are up first this week? Yes I am. I am,

586
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: so I am normally up first. This would be my

587
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: week to go up first, but I am seeding off

588
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: position to you because I, as you mentioned, I've been

589
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: working on a big story, so I only have one

590
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: because it took a lot of time. Okay, So I

591
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: think I think you should go first, and then I'll

592
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: give my story and then you can close it up. Fair, fair,

593
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: and and a lot of you already know where we're

594
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: going here. And I gotta tell you, I thought that

595
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: the outcry from listeners for for Miles and I to

596
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: use our journalistic talents to uncover the truth about subway

597
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: tuna was massive. No, nothing, subway tuna ain't got shipped

598
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: on trout addicted to math Um the meth trout man

599
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: in what is creeping in? On one year of bent,

600
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: we have never had a link sent to us. As

601
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: much as this link was sent, it's still being sent.

602
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: I guarantee I have five new d M s right

603
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: now with links to the story and it dropped over

604
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: a week ago. I've got I've got friends from high

605
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: school who I haven't talked to in years sending me

606
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: this story, like my great aunt Like, I'm like, what

607
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: where's this going? I don't even get a birthday card?

608
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: But I got the trout meth um, you know, and

609
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: and look. And I'll be honest, I did not click

610
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: on the link for the first two days of getting

611
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: it because I read the headline trout could become meth addicts.

612
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, nice, try, Like, you gotta be

613
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: a lot smarter than that if you're gonna Rick roll

614
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,959
Speaker 1: Joe Shmelli is like, not today, Rick Astley, not today.

615
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: But a few days and four thousand plus links later,

616
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: I bit. So this is a real story. It has

617
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: popped up on every news source in the world, I think,

618
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: from Al Jazeera to your kids like weekly Little League

619
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: news email um, and all the stories are pretty much

620
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: saying the same thing. So for this, I'm going with

621
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: the National Geographic version and their headline was trout can

622
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: become addicted to meth. Here's why that's so scary. So

623
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: here's the gist. You do your meth on your own time. Privately, right,

624
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: and then you pee and poop and there's still traces

625
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: of meth in your excrement and that goes to the

626
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: wastewater treatment facility. And while these facilities are pretty good

627
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: at removing contaminants from the wastewater before it returns to

628
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: the river, they don't apparently do a great job with

629
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: controlled substances, which means tiny amounts of that meth are

630
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: ending up in the water flowing downstream from the treatment facility. Now,

631
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: it's important to note that this doesn't just happen with meth, right,

632
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: Like if you take birth control pills, do heroin, antidepressants, cocaine.

633
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Speaker 1: Trace elements of all those substances can end up in

634
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: the water this way. And you might be saying, yeah,

635
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: but can enough really get in the water to make

636
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: a difference. So, according to Pavel Horky, a behavioral ecologist

637
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: from the Czech University of Life Sciences in Prague, they might.

638
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 1: And the article points out that while Matthews has it's

639
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: obviously always been a huge problem um in Eastern Europe.

640
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: In the US, it's gotten worse since the pandemic. Okay,

641
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: so Hokey proposed that these trace elements in the water

642
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: could essentially make trout meth addicts, which could make them lethargic,

643
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: give them withdrawal symptoms, and make it more difficult for

644
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: them to find food and reproduce. So Quirky and his

645
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 1: team conducted a lab study, and here's what they did.

646
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: They dosed sixty captive bread brown trout with meth amphetamine

647
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: laced water for two months while keeping another group of

648
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: sixty control trout in a drug re tank, and the

649
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: researchers ensured that the drug levels matched the meth levels.

650
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: Other researchers have documented just downstream of wastewater treatment plants

651
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: in Czechia and Slovakia, and in the first few days

652
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 1: after being removed from the meth last tank, the fish

653
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: moved around less, which the team interpreted as stress from

654
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: drug withdrawal. Analysis of their brain tissue showed that the

655
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: fish that moved less had the most meth amphetamine in

656
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: their brains. The researchers also gave the trout from both

657
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 1: groups a choice to enter one of two streams of water,

658
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: one with meth amphetamine one without. The meth exposed trout

659
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: preferred to swim in the meth lace water, particularly in

660
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: the four days after their drugs supply stopped. Over time

661
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: the studies trout preference for meth and phetamine declined to

662
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: match those of the control fish, a clear sign of

663
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: addiction withdrawal. Now, the article mentions a few other similar studies,

664
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: one that found traces of cocaine in certain European rivers.

665
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: They suggested that might interfere with the reproduction of endangered eels.

666
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: In Canada, there was they did a study where they

667
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: exposed young male fat head minnows to synthetic estrogen from

668
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: contraceptive pills and found that when they did that, they

669
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: didn't grow test these but produced eggs instead. But I

670
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: think the most important thing to understand with all these studies,

671
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: including the meth trout, is that all these things are

672
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: are documented in controlled lab settings, right, but nobody has

673
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: hard evidence about any of these substances having adverse effects

674
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: in the wild, at least not yet. Because if you

675
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 1: think about it, right, that's that's a pretty hard study

676
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: because at minimum, right off the bat, you have to

677
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: factor involution, you know what I mean, Like a sample

678
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: taken at the outflow of the water treatment plant is

679
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: gonna read different than one taking five miles downstream. You

680
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: have to factor in rain, high water flows, low water flows.

681
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: So they've they've proved that this could be a problem

682
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: and the fish can be effective, which is real and fascinating.

683
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: But I think so many people sent this because which

684
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: is what a great headline does, right. It leads you

685
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: to believe just a river of of meth addicted trout

686
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: has been discovered, and it has not. But if it,

687
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that would because that would be something else,

688
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I I assume that

689
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: fish would have too few teeth to take a shot

690
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: at a stream or crayfish, you know what I mean,

691
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: opting only for squaremy wormies or they just they'd be

692
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: so indecisive and confused. They just have no idea what

693
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: they wanted to eat. Yeah, the sty only with Jesus

694
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: dike allly, you know right they as I don't think

695
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: they'd be very hungry or that or they I don't know.

696
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: I know enough about tweakers to know that food is

697
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: not not high on the needs. Well, if it was

698
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 1: marijuana getting into the water to be a completely different story, different,

699
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But look, it is a

700
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: fascinating study and the hope um is that these findings

701
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 1: will push lawmakers to insist that wastewater treatment facilities alter

702
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: their filtering and cleaning processes to catch these substances, which

703
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: the story suggests is possible. Like that that can be done.

704
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: It's just that they're not really factoring that. They're not

705
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: really doing that, and it would mean investing in some

706
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: new technology um and revamped water testing methods, but they're

707
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: not really there yet, so appreciate it. Four thousand. I

708
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: wish I could send all four thousand of you stickers

709
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: for that one. You deserve it. But here's my question. Yeah,

710
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: of those four thousands, how many read more than the headline?

711
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: And now I'm just gonna say to those of you

712
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: out there who did send it to us, which we

713
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: do appreciate, but I'm wondering, did you just see meth

714
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: and trout and go, like, you know who I send this?

715
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,479
Speaker 1: Of course they did, come Miles. This is the world

716
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: we live in digital media. Everything is a photo and

717
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: a headline. That's what matters. It was a question, but

718
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: my point was that, like, I hope that read the articles, Yeah,

719
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: to take five minutes read the articles, because I did

720
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: find this one to be fascinating. I read several of them,

721
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: and I think your takeaway was exactly spot on the

722
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: same thing I would hit on, which is that we've

723
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: known for a long time. There're a ton of studies

724
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: that show we are getting traces of all kinds of

725
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: different pharmaceuticals over the counter and illicit that are going

726
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 1: into the water making through wastewater treatment. This is not news.

727
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: We've known about this for a long time. And wastewater

728
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: treatment plants are starting to half. They're they're getting pressure

729
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: to have to look at those contaminants as they need

730
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: to get rid of just like they do eat cold

731
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: I and others. Right, So that's great. I hope that

732
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: pressure increases, and I hope we start making those changes.

733
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: But the only difference in this studies that it was

734
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 1: about meth. Yeah, Like no one cares about the title

735
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: because the methods of methods pop culture. Man, I hate

736
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: to say that, but likes so much more pop culture

737
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: than um synthetic estrogen. Like that's not a T shirt,

738
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's there's there's no exactly,

739
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 1: there's no breaking bad for tile and all. So um

740
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: and listen, we're not coming We're not coming down. But

741
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: this is a good point. I thought the same thing.

742
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, you guys are reading the headlines seeing brown

743
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: trout meth and sending but if you read it, it's

744
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: it's very different. So if you didn't read it, we

745
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: now just kind of read it for you, so you

746
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: got you got the whole picture anyway. That's maybe that's

747
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: why they sent us like we don't want to Can

748
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: you tell us where this is all about? Because I'm

749
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: just gonna assume there's a bunch of cracked out trout,

750
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: uh you know, likely in Delaware. I don't know who

751
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: you know the yeah, yeah, so Trout aren't actually methodics.

752
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: That's the takeaway for those of you who sent that.

753
00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: That's not true. The one I'm gonna hit I this

754
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: isn't the newest in new for news, right it's the

755
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: story is a couple of weeks old. But Joe and

756
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: I talked about it when it first broke, and I

757
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: intentionally held off because I wanted to give this one

758
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: a little breathing room, Like are We were hoping that

759
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: that the flames of internet fury might subside a little

760
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: and calm down, and that and and and more importantly,

761
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: we were hoping that more information would come out. But

762
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: neither of those things has really happened. Yeah we're still going. Yeah,

763
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: we're still going for it. So I rather than than

764
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: waiting on an outcome that's probably not gonna occur, I'm

765
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: just gonna try to present the situation as clearly and

766
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: accurately as I can given what I know, and then

767
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 1: followed that up with my own personal take and reasoning

768
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: behind my opinions. You can draw your own conclusions on

769
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: this one. Plenty of people already have all right. On June,

770
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: a guy by the name of Josh Jorgensen uploaded a

771
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: video to his YouTube channel titled Biggest Tarpin Ever Caught, and,

772
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: as is the case with most YouTube titles, this one

773
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: didn't skimp on all caps lettering or multiple exclamation points. Uh.

774
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: Jorgenson runs a fishing YouTube channel called black Tip h

775
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: which you've probably heard of since it has nearly three

776
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: and a half million subscribers, making it among the most

777
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 1: watched phishing channels on the Internet anywhere in the world.

778
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: Jorgenson is based in Florida, and his content focuses on

779
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: large inshore saltwater species, primarily goliath grouper and sharks, often

780
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: being fought on rod and reel by extremely muscle bound

781
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: men and also sometimes women. I feel like I have

782
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: to begin this by admitting my own personal biases. This

783
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: this isn't the kind of fishing that I personally want

784
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: to watch. I find I find his content gimmicky, one dimensional,

785
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: and lacking in substance. Okay, that's my personal opinion. Get

786
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: that out of the way. That's said. He has a

787
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: much bigger audience than we do, so what he does

788
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: obviously resonates with a lot of people, which is part

789
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: of the reason why this video has struck such a

790
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: chord with with opposing factions within the fishing community. The

791
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: video recounts Jorgenson's recent trip to Bahia Solano on the

792
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: remote Pacific coast of Colombia. It starts with a short

793
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: travel narrative where Jorgenson explains some shock at a local

794
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: restaurant that is serving cow tongue. And I'm sorry, but

795
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: I say this dude needs to dig a little deeper

796
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: into his local Floridian cuisine because there's plenty of good

797
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: langu with tacos in Florida. If you if you go

798
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: to a taco shop and they don't have tongue, where

799
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: I even dare say tripe sometime I'm like, play st legit.

800
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if you watched that video, but he

801
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 1: has this whole beat and being like, I can't believe

802
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: they serve tongue. Do you eat tongue? Like, dude, it's anyway,

803
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: go to any New York deli, bro, you know, it's

804
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 1: across many cultures, Jewish, Mexican. That would again, we know

805
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: my biases, but that that particularly bugged me a little. Anyway.

806
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: So the video does the standard travel narrative montage and

807
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: they get to a remote lodge, but they pretty quickly

808
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 1: jump into the fishing part where Jorgensen hooks and lands

809
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: his first ever rooster fish. Normally, a feet like that

810
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: would be celebrated in YouTube fishing videos like it would

811
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: there be build up, there'd be excitement, but they moved

812
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: through his first rooster fish pretty quick. A few minutes later,

813
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: his bait gets blown up by a mystery fish. He

814
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 1: reels down on the circle hook and a massive tarpean

815
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: erupts out of the water, and of course after that,

816
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: all hell breaks loose. Most of the video consists of

817
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 1: Jorgensen and two others holding onto a stout spinning rod

818
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: flexed over the rail of the boat and a real

819
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: dumping line. Jorgensen decided to hand the rod off to

820
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: a friend mid battle, be as a recent UTV accident

821
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: left him with a back injury and fighting this massive

822
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: tarpain clearly caused him pain. They start off estimating the

823
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: fish around a hundred and fifty pounds, but as they

824
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: fight it and see more of it, their estimates of

825
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: its size continue to grow. After an hour fight, they

826
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: get the fish boat side. Jorgensen puts one arm up

827
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 1: through the fish's gilt plate, reached his other arm into

828
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: the fish's mouth, locked hands, and began to lift the

829
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: tarpaun over the gunnale. Mates and friends gathered to help,

830
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 1: and they eventually hoisted the giant fish into the boat,

831
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: took some measurements, posed for photos, and then threw the

832
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: fish over the side back into the ocean. After releasing

833
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: the fish, they estimated that weigh fifty pounds. Back at

834
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: the lodge, they punched the measurements into a tarp and

835
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: weight calculator available on the Bone Fish and Tarpin Trust website,

836
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: which spit out an estimated weight of three hundred and

837
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: twelve pounds. The current I g F a world record

838
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: tarpin weighed two d and eighty six pounds nine ounces,

839
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: so if that's correct, this fish would have well surpassed it.

840
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: Jordan's video then then goes into interviews, one with an

841
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: experienced trophy tarpin captain, the other with a saltwater fish

842
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: taxidermist who has created over a thousand tarp amounts. Both

843
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: individuals verified that they believe this fish to have been

844
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: over three pounds after looking at flows in video. Jorgensen

845
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 1: closes his YouTube video with a monologue that stops short

846
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: of admitting that he would have kept the fish had

847
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: he known it was a record. He kind of hints

848
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: at it, but he doesn't come out and say it.

849
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: He then says, quote, but I'm glad we let that

850
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: fish go. It's still out there, still swimming around. It

851
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: always feels really good. And now we can cue the controversy,

852
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: all right, And this one has some layers. The main

853
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: reason for the outrage has to do with the handling

854
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: of the fish. One aspect of the story that is

855
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: not opinion are the well researched effects of handling and

856
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: release on adult tarpan. Adult tarpan, particularly the really big

857
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: ones like this one often suffer significant injury when removed

858
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: from the water. That's why Florida prohibits anglers from lifting

859
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 1: fish overt out of the water at all. Additionally, all

860
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: tarpin release best practices recommend reviving a fish boat side

861
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: before it got it, especially after a long fight, which

862
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: did not happen in this particular case. So bottom line,

863
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: Jorgensen's decisions to remove that fish from the water and

864
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: then dump it back overboard without reviving it, they do

865
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: go against the prevailing science based recommendations for tarpin handling.

866
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: I have to put a caveat on that everything he

867
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: did is completely legal in Columbia, where he was fishing.

868
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: He broke no laws at all. Okay, that's another point

869
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: that you can't argue, that's a fact. The truth is,

870
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 1: though no one knows for certain what happened to that fish.

871
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: You got all these very vocal folks in the angling

872
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: community that are making definitive claims that fish died, that's

873
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: dead fish. And then you got Jorgensen and his supporters

874
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: repeatedly countering the fish is fine. That I guarantee that

875
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: fish is fine. It never it never goes belly up

876
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: in the video, it disappeared, and I'm sorry, but the

877
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: fact is that we don't know. All we have our

878
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: belief and conjecture. That's it. Anybody's saying they know the

879
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: fate of that fish is just being hyperbolic, all right.

880
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: They're just pretending to know something they can't know, all right.

881
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: But having settled that, let's break down a couple more

882
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: elements of this story. First, the record, So everybody understands

883
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: the minute that Jorgensen chose to hand his rod off

884
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: to another angler, he lost any chance the records gone.

885
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: I g f A rules prohibit multiple anglers from even

886
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: touching the rod or the real all right, So even

887
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: even if he had kept the fish and gotten certified weight,

888
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: it would not have officially broken the record period. Second,

889
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: another theme that keeps popping up on the social media

890
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: sniping around this fish is the status of tarpan in

891
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: the Pacific Ocean. Tarban are native to the Atlantic, not

892
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: the Pacific, but in the last decade or so, more

893
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: and more tarpan are being caught on the Pacific side

894
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: of Central America and northern South America. The prevailing hypothesis

895
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: claims that tarpan has started migrating through the Panama Canal

896
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: and are now establishing new populations in the Pacific. In

897
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: the video, Jorgensen and his local guide refer to the

898
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: fish as an invasive species. As you might imagine, the

899
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: lack of clarity on how this fish got to these

900
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: waters and if it's quote unquote natural, has fueled so

901
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: many keyboard artillery barrages. Those in support of Jordan's and

902
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: claim it doesn't matter how it ended the fish because

903
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: it's invasive species. It was opposed to him counter that

904
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: if a fish migrated to a new habitat on its own,

905
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: it's non invasive. I've even seen people claiming that tarpin

906
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: are actually native to the Pacific. We just didn't know it.

907
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: But I actually looked. I couldn't find any credible evidence

908
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: supported that claim, So that is questionable. I mean that

909
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: that's all irrelevant, Like getting into that side of the

910
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: argument in the case of this is stupid. But because

911
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: so much of it is going on, I understand that.

912
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: But like all all of those kind of arguments to me,

913
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: are are deflecting from the biggest problem, which will close

914
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: on which just like the improper handling of this could

915
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: have been this could have been done respected could have

916
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: been totally avoided. Here's the thing, man, we don't know

917
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: where that population of fish came from exactly. People haven't

918
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: figured that out yet. They're just starting to look into it.

919
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: I find this to be a highly interesting topic, right,

920
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: And I hope we get to cover this in an

921
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: another segment that has nothing to do with a record

922
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: or a controversy or a YouTube video, because i'd really

923
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: like to know. Right. But exactly as you're saying, Joe,

924
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: I don't think it's pertinent in this case, it's not.

925
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: And now I'll just I'll just add that I remember,

926
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean, this has got to be going back ten years.

927
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: Somebody I knew who fished down there was like telling me, like, man,

928
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: there's some tarp and showing up down there, and like

929
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: I remember being fascinated by it then. But you're right

930
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: in this case, it's it's very interesting. The how or

931
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: why they're there is irrelevant in this The only way

932
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: that would have like the way I could see it

933
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: mattering is if and this didn't happen, but if Jorgensen

934
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: had kept the fish, I then I could see the

935
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: invasive claim coming into play, and I could see how

936
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: that would fit here. But he didn't he released it.

937
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: He just did it without proper handling, right, So I

938
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: feel like, just like you said, it doesn't matter. Finally,

939
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: of course, and I have to point this out. We

940
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: wander into the whole you know, one side says you're

941
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: just a bunch of one jill his haters, against the

942
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: other side saying you're just a bunch of ignorant fish

943
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: killing googins. And there's feces being flung around in the

944
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: form of comments and stickers. God, and I find it

945
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: just all completely counterproductive, right, And this is more personal opinion,

946
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: but I think comments sections should just be eliminated from

947
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: the Internet because that is where the worst elements of

948
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: human nature get mainlined with steroids. Personal opinion. All right,

949
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: here's what I think about this whole thing, and then Joe,

950
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: you can tell me where you agree to disagree. But

951
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: here's why I think went down. This is me projecting.

952
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: Jorgensen didn't know he had a record tarpet on his hands.

953
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: If he had, he might have made some different choices.

954
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: He probably wouldn't have passed the route off though, Like

955
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: like we said, he had a serious injury, so he

956
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: might have been ultimately forced to do that anyway. I

957
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: think had he known how big it really was, I

958
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: think you would have just kept the fish and considering

959
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: these circumstances. Had he done that, the result would be

960
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: a lot less controversy. Had he decided to say, like, hey,

961
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: this is a potential record fish. I want to keep

962
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: it and mounted even if it's not an official record,

963
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: I think most people would have understood that. I can't

964
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: know his mind, right, I wasn't there, But if he knew,

965
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: he wasn't planning to keep that fish, I wish he

966
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: would have handled it according to best practices to reduce

967
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: fish mortality. Right they were. They were fishing out of

968
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: an offshore boat. I think that's an important point to mention.

969
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: So it's got really high gunnals, so it would have

970
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: made it difficult to do those best practices, but not impossible.

971
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: Someone could have gotten in the water with the fish

972
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: to take measurements and and help pose it for photos

973
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: and video. You could have done that. The problematic aspects

974
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 1: of the fish handling are meaningful, at least for me,

975
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: because of Jordan's huge platform. We're not just talking about

976
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: one individual fish that may or may not be in

977
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: vase right. I get that that doesn't really matter. But

978
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: millions of people follow and look up to this guy,

979
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: and like it or not, what he does gets mirrored

980
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: by other anglers, And to me, that's why it matters. Okay,

981
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: we all make mistakes, and we all have a tendency

982
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 1: to lose our heads when big fish are involved. I

983
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: cannot imagine that I would have had anything near complete

984
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: clarity of mind with a three hundred pound tarpet on

985
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: the line, like freaking out both side. I would lose

986
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,240
Speaker 1: my ship. So I can understand and forgive the mistakes.

987
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: I really can. My My biggest complaint with how Jordan's

988
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: handled this situation is that he hasn't been willing to

989
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: admit that he made any mistakes. If he were now

990
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: to simply come out and say, hey, I didn't know

991
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: we had and I had so much excitement and adrenaline

992
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: when we landed the fish, I wasn't thinking through all

993
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: the pintential implications. If I could do it again, I

994
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 1: would do it differently in the ways for these reasons.

995
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: If he would come out and make a statement to

996
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: that effect, I think we could squash this whole thing.

997
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: I think it would be over. But regardless of what

998
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,760
Speaker 1: he says or does. I think that the damage being

999
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 1: done to the fishing community through this backbiting and sniping

1000
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: and this drawing of lines and the sowing of hate

1001
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: around this incident is so much more destructive than one

1002
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: dead fish. And and that's the real tragedy that I

1003
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: see in all this situation is the way that's playing out. See,

1004
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: I see another level of tragedy, and it's like a

1005
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: cynical one. But I can't I can't get my head

1006
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: around it. Like, this is my interpretation. Here's what I

1007
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: think happened. Obviously, they weren't tarp and fishing. That was

1008
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: a surprise fish. You know that they were doing something different, right,

1009
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: But I also think this this sort of speaks to

1010
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: just fishing content in general. Now my guess is as

1011
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:56,720
Speaker 1: as a guy who's made a few videos in his day, right, this,

1012
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: this would be my guest. This goes down, they hook

1013
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: this fish, they're filming this because that's what he does. Right.

1014
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: Things are not handled properly. In the heat of the moment,

1015
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: you're not thinking straight. You have this huge fish. You

1016
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: just it's very easy to get that mentality of get

1017
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: it on camera, get it get it, get it, get it,

1018
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: get it, and we'll figure it out later. Right, it

1019
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: was not handled well. Things were done wrong. But then now,

1020
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: because the world you live in is based around your views,

1021
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: that is your world, that is what you do. You're

1022
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: sitting on this piece of footage and you have two choices.

1023
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: You could not post that because probably deep down inside

1024
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: you know you didn't handle that well, and that's not

1025
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, setting a good example for your fans or

1026
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: it's like I'm not going to miss out on millions

1027
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: of views for this, And I think that's the route

1028
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people take and why we end up

1029
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: seeing so many similar examples of poor fish handling and

1030
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: not best practices because so many people. You don't even

1031
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: have to be black Tip h with three plus million followers.

1032
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: I just think we see that all the time, like

1033
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: the the clicks and the likes and the views matter

1034
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: more than anything to too many people. Yeah, I mean

1035
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: that's that goes without saying right, you know, I agree

1036
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: with you there. First of all, if you or I

1037
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: have been in this situation, I would like to think

1038
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: we would have had a clear enough head to to

1039
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: not handle it this way, right, Like I've dude, I've

1040
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: dealt with you under pound tarpin um in Costa Rica,

1041
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,439
Speaker 1: in fact, on the eastern side, and you you fight

1042
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: him to death, and those guys like we held that.

1043
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't hold it anymore because I was dead. But

1044
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: like that guy cradled that fish and idled and mean

1045
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: we stayed with it for forty five minutes until it kicked,

1046
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: and then he still followed it on the surface for

1047
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: a while to make sure it didn't turn or anything,

1048
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: and went back. So I would like to think that,

1049
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: but if you made a genuine mistake, like you knew

1050
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: like this, I didn't do that right. It was a mistake.

1051
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: It wasn't necessarily malicious, it was just a mistake. It's

1052
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: like you have an obligation. You're setting an example as

1053
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: a media person, as somebody in the spotlight that has

1054
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: fans and you know is an advocate of this sport.

1055
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: You make that call, but that doesn't get you the views.

1056
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: So I think there's a lot of that wrapped up

1057
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: in this too. Sad. I think you're right. I would

1058
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: like to think, well, I'd like to think we would

1059
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: handle it differently, but I could see. Listen, I've never

1060
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: faced a three pound dark, and I could see myself

1061
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: losing my ship, the one I didn't expect one right,

1062
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: I could see my I don't know that I would

1063
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: have done what he did, but let's just for the

1064
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: sake of argument. It happened to you or me, or

1065
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: we're filming together, that happens. I don't know that I

1066
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: would recommend my I don't think my position would be

1067
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: we should not show this. I think my position would

1068
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: be we should show this and talk about all the

1069
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: things we did wrong here. And that's another way to

1070
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: take it. Yeah, that would be I think a more

1071
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: productive way to go about dealing with this stuff to

1072
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: be like, hey, we we we got this crazy video.

1073
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: We want the engagement, we want this, but we also

1074
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: we screwed up and here's how and here's why. I

1075
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: also think in terms of him not admitting wrong, I'm

1076
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,439
Speaker 1: sure you've seen this before. To wherefore some people it's

1077
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: you you want something so bad, you want the glory

1078
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: of something so bad that you can literally talk yourself

1079
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: out of wrong doing so much that it just becomes

1080
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: the truth to you, you know what I mean, Like

1081
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: you just you just say it so much to yourself

1082
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: that then it just you become convinced of it, but

1083
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't see how anybody could have posted

1084
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: this and not where how many videos have we had

1085
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: with the same thing. It's like, how can somebody post

1086
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: that not think people were gonna flip ship? Like you know,

1087
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: he knew, he knew. Um, so yeah, I'm sure a

1088
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: bunch of you guys have seen that. There's our our

1089
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: little take on that. That was that was heavy. We've had,

1090
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: We've had meth and now that I feel I feel

1091
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: a little dumb, but I also feel like it's not

1092
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: a bad idea to light in the mood before we

1093
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: close out here. That's your only story today. But that

1094
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: was a lot of research. That was a lot of research.

1095
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: So I'll wrap things up quickly this week. Um, let's all,

1096
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: we'll simmer down, we'll stop, we'll stop fighting and and

1097
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: doing meth, and we'll take all take a dive into

1098
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: my favorite file, which is fishing, gizmos, gadgetry and gimmickry,

1099
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: all right, and we'll just we'll talk about the hook

1100
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: and roll. And this is exciting because it plays into

1101
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: something we recently discussed on the show that being lower retrievers.

1102
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: Remember this, It wasn't that long ago, and we both

1103
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: pretty much agreed that they suck, like all those weights

1104
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: with the paper clip and the do Dad and do

1105
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: Hickey slide down your line. Uh, pretty much suck or

1106
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: at a minimum, don't work every time, or you know,

1107
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: aren't incapable of becoming snagged themselves. We'll guess what, forget

1108
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: the past, because the Hook and Roll is the last

1109
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: lower Retriever you're ever gonna buy. And uh, for many

1110
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: of you would probably be the first Lord triever you

1111
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: ever bought. And after hearing this, none of you were

1112
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: gonna buy it, whether you had one or not already. Uh.

1113
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: So this popped up in my news feed from the

1114
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: website Geeky Gadgets dot com. Uh. And of course, like

1115
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: many of these things, all the info is pulled from

1116
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: Hook and Rolls Kickstarter camp Pain, which, let me tell

1117
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: you so far, is not kick started very well at all. Uh.

1118
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: At the time of this recording, they were thirty five backers,

1119
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: so they've they've got a little way to go. And um,

1120
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: you've seen this video, right, so you know you know

1121
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: we're getting into air. What we have here, in my opinion,

1122
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: is a case of creating perceived value and performance simply

1123
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: by making something much more expensive, you know what I mean.

1124
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: And that's that's a tactic that works no doubt. Like

1125
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: if you're holding them like a three dollar broom and

1126
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: a thirty dollar broom at the store, and most people

1127
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: are gonna assume thirty dollar broom is better, let me

1128
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: tell you it isn't. My garage floor is no cleaner.

1129
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: Uh But anyway, big reveal here. The hook and roll

1130
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: does pretty much exactly the same thing as all the

1131
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: other lower retrievers that slide down your line and knock

1132
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 1: the lower free of a snag, except instead of being

1133
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: lead like the peasants use, the knocker device is made

1134
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: of high grade aluminum and stainless steel. It's rectangular in shape,

1135
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: it clamps around your line, and it's loaded with bearings

1136
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: so that it zips down your line very fair, creating

1137
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: zero friction, thus thwarting line chafing. Now, if the hook

1138
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: and roll doesn't knock the lowre free, don't worry, because

1139
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 1: it's tethered to a heavy duty braided line and that

1140
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: runs from the knocker device up to the hook and

1141
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: rolls own reel, which looks like a little tiny aluminum

1142
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: fly reel. But what that allows you to do is

1143
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: is also wrench on the line to pull the lower

1144
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: free or I guess you know, bend the hooks out

1145
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: without using your rod and fishing line to do this,

1146
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: like we all do. And the entire contraption is of

1147
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: course made to be worn on the outside of your

1148
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: fishing vest with your leader, straightener or not tool or

1149
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: whatever else you got dangling there. And here's the thing

1150
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm curious to hear your your your opinion. I'm not

1151
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: saying this won't work, but even this, it's not going

1152
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: to get every lower back all the time. And could

1153
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: this this can get snagged to anything with a weight

1154
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 1: and a rope that you send into the rip rap

1155
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: like it might not come back to I do like

1156
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: the dual purpose knocker puller, but this product, they're asking

1157
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: seventy five dollars and that's steep And if this were

1158
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: ten bucks, I might bite, But I'd still either forget

1159
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: to bring the product fishing or just lose it in

1160
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: the garage with all the other retrievers. So I'm still out.

1161
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: But the best part of all this is the Kickstarter video,

1162
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: and what I gather is that this is made by

1163
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: a European company because they talk about meters and stuff

1164
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: instead of feat But they're trying to make the video

1165
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: uber American. They have this scruffy they have this scruffy

1166
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: dud there that they've named Mike very American Mike um

1167
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 1: and he's supposed to be this sad bass fisherman that

1168
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: keeps losing lords, but the narration misses the mark. He's

1169
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: also he's also driving a Toyota high Lux, So that's

1170
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: kind of a dead giveaway, but I don't Yeah, it's

1171
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: one of the long skinny ones, also dead giveaway. But

1172
01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: listen to this intro clip, Meet Mike, the saddest guy

1173
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: on the water. Mike just sacrificed his favorite lure to

1174
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 1: the river lake gods. He had no say in the matter, Like,

1175
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: who are the river lake gods? Did you catch that

1176
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: in there? Okay? They also they also flashed to a

1177
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: shot of Mike with a big, large mouth that's clearly

1178
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: his European head photoshopped on Denny Brower's so photo shopped,

1179
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: but but he's still a badass. Listen to this. He

1180
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: drove here with a glad heart, an open road, and

1181
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: the music as loud as he damned well pleased glad

1182
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 1: hearted who uses the term with That's some had some

1183
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: Hansel and Gretel ship right there. Um anyway, that's what

1184
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: I got the gizmo, gadgets and gimmick file this week. Um,

1185
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, seventy five bucks buys a lot

1186
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: of Sanko's, so no thank you. But what do you

1187
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: What do you think? Dude? It's I don't know. You

1188
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: didn't scroll down far enough. Only gets the basic model

1189
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: if you if you want that sweet real contraption that

1190
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: comes with it, you're talking a hundred and nine dollars.

1191
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: Whoa wait a minute, I screwed up. So seventy five

1192
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: bones only gets you what? Then it gets you the retriever,

1193
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: a pack of lure clips, of really snazzy carrying case

1194
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: with velcro strips, an Alan wrench that they call a

1195
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: maintenance tool, full instructions, and a carabineer for your vest.

1196
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: But how do you slide it down the line if

1197
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: there's no line connected to it? You didn't read this

1198
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: at all? Did you? You have a bunch of gear

1199
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 1: for fishing, including the reels from your old rods? Cool?

1200
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: Then just grab this small but mighty retriever and use

1201
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 1: your old reels to complete the set. You were more

1202
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: thorough than I was, because another thing that crossed my mind.

1203
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 1: If you watch the video of the Lord being retrieved,

1204
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: it's like, how do you do this by yourself? Because

1205
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: they've got one dude pulling the rod tight that you'd

1206
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: sending it, which means you better also have a friend.

1207
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 1: So for like fifty extra bucks, they might be able

1208
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: to get you a friend as well. I gotta admit, man,

1209
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: I thought that this was pretty well done. And when

1210
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: I got down to the end of their marketing Spudle,

1211
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna sign up. They toltally got me,

1212
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 1: and then I dug deeper and like two bucks, and

1213
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: then I kept going deeper and like the next one

1214
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 1: offered is like, well, you might lose the retriever, so

1215
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: here's what it would cost for a set with a

1216
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: second retriever. And I'm like, wait, I thought the whole

1217
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: point of this was that you never lose it all right, now,

1218
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: I'm out. I was almost there. This is like what

1219
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: goes around comes around. It's like a lot of these

1220
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: gimmicks are just revamped versions of ship that didn't work

1221
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: the first two times they came around, and I'm like,

1222
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 1: we've come back around the lure retrievers, Like that's one

1223
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:48,439
Speaker 1: that hasn't been reinvantaged. I want them to work. I

1224
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: want someone to reinvent the lure retriever in a in

1225
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 1: a way that that's functional and actually works. So I

1226
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe this is the one I wanted to

1227
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,919
Speaker 1: be and if it really did work, if it really

1228
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: did work, I would, and two it I would, But

1229
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced it will work. Yeah, if I knew,

1230
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 1: I could get all my line and lures back off

1231
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: the bottom of the Lake River and not have to

1232
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 1: worry about it. Yes, and the river lake gods anymore.

1233
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 1: If it was seventy get it for Christmas. But not that.

1234
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: But maybe you will get one and we'll we'll get

1235
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 1: to talk about that more later, perhaps over a drink.

1236
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: That's what we're gonna go get as soon as we

1237
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: hear from Phil this week to see who won. Um

1238
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: here from Phil, then go pony up to that's my bar,

1239
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: Miles Nulty. Your story went deep, but unfortunately I am

1240
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 1: a shallow person. So the winner this week is Joe Surmeli. Okay, guys,

1241
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 1: I gotta complean about something. One of the reasons I

1242
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 1: actually named Joe the winner this week was because I

1243
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 1: have put something together. It's something I've actually been working

1244
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: on for the last couple of weeks. I have not

1245
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 1: told you about it. Um, you've probably heard of this service,

1246
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 1: this app, this website called Cameo, where you know, you

1247
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 1: can pay c list celebrities to record a little personalized

1248
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 1: video for you thirty seconds long. Maybe they were a

1249
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: list celebrities back in the day, but have you know,

1250
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 1: just dropped a few letter grades over the years. It happens, Joe.

1251
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 1: I know you are a big Jaws fan. I think

1252
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 1: everyone knows this. I put something together. Friend from high

1253
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: school actually works for Cameo. I don't know how he

1254
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 1: got that job, but he got it. I've been working

1255
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: with him to kind of find a little loophole to

1256
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 1: put this together. You could say that I had to

1257
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 1: jump through some hoops to make this happen. Catching on yet, Joe,

1258
01:09:50,080 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 1: someone has a little message for you, sucker. No, I

1259
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: did not get Richard Dreyfuss to record a cameo for you, Joe. Um,

1260
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 1: Richard Dreyfuss is on Cameo. This is true. You can

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01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 1: look it up. He has one of the steepest prices

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01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: out of anyone I've ever seen on cameo. So for

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01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 1: the you know, lolo price of one thousand dollars, that's true,

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01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: you can get a personalized video from Richard Dreyfuss. If

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01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:26,679
Speaker 1: you don't want to fork out that kind of money,

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01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: you can get the kenting your kid that was eaten

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01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 1: by the shark for thirty five dollars. So something to

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01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: think about. Best god damn bar tender from Tim buck

1269
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 1: to to Portland's Maine Portland argument for that matter. Lately,

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01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:47,480
Speaker 1: I gotta say all of you out there, you the listeners,

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01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 1: you you are getting back on point with the barn nominal. Yes, yes, applause.

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01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 1: For sure, we are greedy and so we always want more,

1273
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 1: but I will say I will give credit recredits do

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01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 1: We've been getting some really good ones, and and what

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01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 1: I love about this is that I can see how

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01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: this is. It's it's slowly but surely achieving the goal

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01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 1: that we had at the beginning of establishing the best

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01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 1: fish bars across the world. Yep. So, so this week

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01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 1: we're headed to Maryland, and I'm pretty sure we have

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01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 1: not hit that state yet, so we can we can

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01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:27,719
Speaker 1: put another pin in the that's my bar map. Yeah

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01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 1: we can, we can. And this nomination comes from listener

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01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 1: Kirk Marks, who wondered if I was familiar with this place,

1284
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 1: which I am not. However, I've been to plenty like

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01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 1: it and and victimized at similar spots. But I'll get

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01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 1: to that later. I'll leave you hanging to get right

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01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 1: into it. Kirk writes, this bar is much more than

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01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:49,719
Speaker 1: just your typical fishing bar. If you're in the rock

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01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:54,719
Speaker 1: Fish chatter stripers for you Jersey folk, okay, uh, local

1290
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 1: beers watching newlyweds to face their wedding gowns and boat

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01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 1: handling that could only be suitable for the qualified captain

1292
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 1: feed look no further than the Jetty Restaurant and dock

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01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 1: bar in Kent Narrows, Maryland. So, in case you missed it,

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01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 1: rock fish, that's what they call him in Maryland. It

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01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 1: is incorrect, but that's still what they call them. He

1296
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 1: goes on, as any Chesspeake angler would tell you, the

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01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,719
Speaker 1: Jetty has a reputation. Accessible by boat or a car,

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01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 1: the Jetty is a waterfront bar that offers pretty decent

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01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 1: seafood and pub fair, but having some friends that used

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01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 1: to work there, I gotta say I wouldn't recommend the oysters.

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01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that, Kirk. As a ravenous consumer of

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01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: raw bar edibles and and having learned that the hard way. Um,

1303
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:38,600
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta take it easy when there's a

1304
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 1: raw bar at the Chinese Buffet, found that out. It

1305
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 1: was difficult delicious going down, you know what I mean,

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01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:47,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear there that. Moving away from that,

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01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say thanks as well, Kirk, because that that

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01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 1: truly is a hot tip. God knows. When I see

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01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: oysters on a beach side bar menu, I order them

1310
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: what I do, So I'm the guy that's like, keep

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01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: them coming until I say stopped, all right, Kirk continues.

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01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:09,520
Speaker 1: Although I'm not certain of the name's origin, I assume

1313
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: it has something to do with the large concrete jetty

1314
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 1: about a hundred and fifty yards away that mysteriously pops

1315
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: up right in front of drunken boaters every summer. I

1316
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: waited tables at the neighboring fine dining restaurant for several

1317
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 1: years throughout my time in college. After a long shift,

1318
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 1: already half buzzed, from dehydration. The White Staff would make

1319
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 1: our weekly pilgrimage to the Jetty. Man, have I seen

1320
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 1: some ship there, Several good bar fights, some stellar live music,

1321
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 1: a handful of boating accidents, and I've even had the

1322
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:48,639
Speaker 1: pleasure of watching a classy wedding party whom I served

1323
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 1: a few hours earlier get ship faced in a way

1324
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 1: only the Jetty can deliver. I I will say that

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01:13:56,040 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 1: I do wish Kirk had expanded on that story, but

1326
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 1: it's okay. I have it a vivid imagination. I can

1327
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 1: pretty well see where that went. Yeah, we'll choose our

1328
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: own adventure there. Uh. Fun fact though, I usually get

1329
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 1: drunk enough at the actual wedding reception that I'd never

1330
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: make it to the afterpart. That's just something about me. Um. Anyway,

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01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 1: the nomination continues. I have a feeling most folks come

1332
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 1: for the location and the entertainment alone. Hell, one time,

1333
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 1: as a young kid, I was fishing a spook from

1334
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,839
Speaker 1: the dock and accidentally called a seagull. I remember receiving

1335
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 1: evil glares as if catching that bird was my intention

1336
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: all along. Point being, there's never a dull moment at

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01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 1: the Jetty. And this is the part I personally sympathized

1338
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 1: with because there was a tiki bar right around the

1339
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 1: corner from where I slipped my my old boat, and

1340
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 1: the fun was just sitting there watching people, you know,

1341
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:43,799
Speaker 1: try to pull into the dock for dock and dine.

1342
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 1: And I only ever did it once. One time, I

1343
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 1: just went straight there instead of going to my slip first,

1344
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 1: and I ended up like pinballing off a couple of

1345
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 1: pilings and that the whole bar like clapped, and who

1346
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:57,679
Speaker 1: did And I was like, that's it. From now on,

1347
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 1: I will just dock in my slip and getting truck

1348
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 1: and drive over, so lesson learn there. I think that

1349
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 1: all seaside bars should have dock parking for exactly this reason.

1350
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 1: I don't need big screen TVs and and and sports.

1351
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:15,759
Speaker 1: When I can watch people making asses of themselves trying

1352
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 1: to dock in front of a rowdy crowd. That's that,

1353
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 1: my friend, is real entertainment. We appreciate this with very much, Kirk.

1354
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: I'm always down for some solid people watching, and this

1355
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,600
Speaker 1: sounds like the perfect place to do it. If you know,

1356
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 1: a fishy bar where you can see my tie while

1357
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 1: watching people like Joe crashed into the dock. Let us

1358
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: know where it's at by sending an email to Bent

1359
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:42,640
Speaker 1: at the Mediator dot com. You know, I looked it

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01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:46,640
Speaker 1: up and the Jetty actually has excellent online reviews, does it?

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01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 1: It does, over two thousand of them in fact. But

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01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 1: I think um the fact that they served you know,

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01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 1: stiff drinks waterside and makes people a little more lenient.

1364
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: Here's a four star review I found that Jess said,

1365
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 1: get some crushes, talk to the ducks, sit on the beach. Kitchen.

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01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 1: Service was slow and orders came out wrong. Hey, on

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01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: a beautiful day with a few drinks. It's not a problem.

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01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 1: That's not not what I expect. It's perfect review. But

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01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 1: if that dude, if he had that experience at the

1370
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,640
Speaker 1: Olive Garden Inland, would be a whole different room. You'd be,

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01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 1: it'd be it'd be one stars. That I'm pissed. It's

1372
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 1: that it's that old adage location location, location service might suck, food,

1373
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 1: might be all wrong, but you still get four stars

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01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 1: because exactly stiff and I see the water. I like it.

1375
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 1: That's smart. We're gonna close out the show with an

1376
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 1: end of the line about a traditional lure for targetus

1377
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 1: species that used to be underrated but I'd say has

1378
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 1: caught on with the foodie crowd in the past decade

1379
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 1: or so, and it's it's no longer underrated. We're talking

1380
01:16:50,800 --> 01:17:03,679
Speaker 1: about delicious, delicious octopus. Well, that's not loud enough. When

1381
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 1: I was in middle school, our Hawaiian studies teacher assigned

1382
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,560
Speaker 1: what I thought was going to be the greatest project

1383
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 1: of all time. We were each going to make a

1384
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 1: traditional octopus lure. I was ecstatic. Finally homework that centered

1385
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 1: on fishing. I imagined myself not just building the lure,

1386
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 1: but catching an octopus on it, maybe even bringing some

1387
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 1: in to share with the class. Then I got the

1388
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 1: materials list and realized we were going to make it

1389
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 1: out of toothpicks, chopsticks, and glue. Actual hooks were deemed

1390
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 1: too dangerous for a classroom use. I suppose the whole

1391
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:44,679
Speaker 1: exercise felt representative of my frustrations with school in general.

1392
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 1: I had no opposition to learning. In fact, I relished

1393
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:51,600
Speaker 1: new knowledge and skills, but we often received a pasteurized

1394
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 1: version of information. Everything was classroom convenient and safe, but

1395
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: it lacked direct application. Sure, I was going to make

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01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:04,719
Speaker 1: something that looked kind of like a traditional octopus lure,

1397
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 1: but I couldn't actually use it to catch octopus. So

1398
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 1: I failed to see the point. And I'm pretty sure

1399
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 1: I also failed that assignment. I always hated arts and crafts.

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01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 1: Hawaiian octopus or lures haven't actually changed all that much

1401
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 1: since ancient times. They were first documented by Westerners in

1402
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 1: the mid eighteen hundreds, and the ones for sale today

1403
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 1: at local tackle shops and hardware stores across the islands

1404
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 1: remain surprisingly similar. A cowichell attached to a weight above

1405
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 1: one or more hooks. Native Hawaiians used rope fashion from

1406
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 1: plant fibers to lash, an elliptical stone sinker, a cowichell,

1407
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 1: and a bone hook to a six inch wooden stick

1408
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 1: to create They would troll or jig the lures over

1409
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 1: pockets in the reef. Cowry are a favorite food of octopus,

1410
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: and the lures would often tempt hungry cephalopods out of

1411
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: their holes. Hawaiian historian Samuel Camacao described it this way.

1412
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 1: The handsome stone was husband to the cowari, and the

1413
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 1: colary was married to the stone. When the two matched

1414
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 1: in beauty and they swayed in dance in the ocean,

1415
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 1: the came to watch the joyful dance. Those of them

1416
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 1: who wished to kiss the calorie leaped to embrace and

1417
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 1: kiss her because they were aroused by the dance. When

1418
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 1: he took hold of the cowali, the fisherman pulled up

1419
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 1: the cord swiftly with his right hand, grabbed it with

1420
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 1: his left, and pulled hard against the side of the canoe,

1421
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 1: which forced the hook into the hay. Modern Hawaiian octopus

1422
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 1: lures have swapped out the wood and bone for metal

1423
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 1: and the stone for lead. Some still used calari shells,

1424
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 1: but others feel that's unnecessarily specific, claiming that a painted

1425
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 1: golf ball works just as well and is far more durable.

1426
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 1: Octopuses are pretty damn good at crushing shell after all. Basically,

1427
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 1: though the technology and technique remain the same, most of

1428
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 1: the lures I've seen for sale commercially also have six

1429
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 1: to ten inch metal times on the bottom, which allow

1430
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 1: anglers to drag them over rocks without getting hung up

1431
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 1: as often. When I was a kid, we occasionally spear

1432
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 1: fished for octopus, generally with very little success, but I've

1433
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 1: always been enthralled by the idea of catching one with

1434
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 1: a lure, which usually involves one of two techniques. The

1435
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 1: first is sometimes called drag shell essentially just slow trolling

1436
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 1: and octopus lure over promising bottom and waiting for one

1437
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:43,879
Speaker 1: to grab it. The second is more sight fishing than trolling.

1438
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 1: Anglers take canoes, kayaks, or even surfboards out to good

1439
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 1: spots and then snorkel at the surface, carefully studying the bottom.

1440
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 1: When they see an octopus or what looks like a

1441
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:58,679
Speaker 1: promising hole, they'll jigg a lure and try to entice

1442
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 1: the creature into grabbing it. One thing I do know

1443
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 1: from limited experience is that hooking or spirity and octopus

1444
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: is just the beginning. The real trick is killing them

1445
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 1: quickly and safely. As most people know, octopuses have eight

1446
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:19,919
Speaker 1: arms covered in powerful suction cups, and they will grab, crawl,

1447
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 1: and yank hard at you to survive. They also have

1448
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 1: a nasty, sharp beak where all those arms meet that

1449
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 1: can take serious divots out of your flesh and possibly

1450
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 1: sever a finger. Once you get hand to hand with one,

1451
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 1: you want to kill it quickly. The hardcores, and traditionalists

1452
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 1: bite them between the eyes, crushing the brain almost instantly.

1453
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 1: I was never that much of a badass, instead using

1454
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 1: the howly method of stabbing them in the same spot

1455
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 1: with a dive knife. Not nearly as cool, but definitely effective.

1456
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 1: I know some people turn the heads inside out, but

1457
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 1: I personally recommend killing them first. Trying to turn a

1458
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 1: squirming and surprisingly powerful octopus inside out is not as

1459
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 1: easy as it looks on YouTube. I once read an

1460
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:12,679
Speaker 1: essay called how to Kill an Octopus by Alison Wilkins,

1461
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 1: and one passage in particular has always stuck with me.

1462
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 1: An octopus can see light, They have great eyesight and

1463
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:25,640
Speaker 1: sense of touch. Their suction cups have chemo receptors that

1464
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 1: allow an octopus to taste what it is touching. Imagine

1465
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 1: for a moment that the octopus is wrapped around your

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Speaker 1: arm trying not to die. What do you taste like

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Speaker 1: as you bob in the water with this creature and

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Speaker 1: your weapon? What do you taste like as you kill it?

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Speaker 1: That is the end of our show this week. But

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Speaker 1: all the fantastic dishes we served up, scorpion fish are

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Speaker 1: better than salmon. Australian salmon aren't salmon and should never

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