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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of iHeartRadio. Hello everyone,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to Too Much Information, the show that brings

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Speaker 1: you the secret histories and little known facts behind your

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Speaker 1: favorite movies, music, TV shows and more. Where we are

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Speaker 1: your talking chairs of talking points, you're disembodied genie heads

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Speaker 1: of general interest trivia, your bow tie claude bastions of binality.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jordan run Tag, you're.

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Speaker 2: Porn theaters of petty talking points, and I'm Alex Sigel.

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Speaker 1: Not even ninety seconds into this episode, we already got

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Speaker 1: that in there.

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Speaker 2: It's the other shoe of a two part pee Wee

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Speaker 2: Hermon series.

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Speaker 1: That is correct. We are back with part two of

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Speaker 1: our deep dive into the lives and times. I guess

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Speaker 1: there's only one life and really one time of pee

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Speaker 1: wee Herman. You take my meaning. That's right. It's pee

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Speaker 1: wee two, pee harder nay, good day to pee wee.

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Speaker 1: Stop stop it. You don't like a good day to

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Speaker 1: pee wee. They're all so bad, they're so they're so bad.

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Speaker 1: Last week we discussed his rise via alternative comedy, stage

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Speaker 1: show and Tim Burton produced film. Today we're going to

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Speaker 1: explore the delightly acidic Saturday Morning kids show, Pee Wee's Playhouse,

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Speaker 1: his trip to tabloid infamy, and his return to regain

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Speaker 1: his rightful place in the pop culture pantheon. And this

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Speaker 1: is all in honor of his creator, the late great

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Speaker 1: Paul Rubens, who died of cancer in July at the

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Speaker 1: age of seventy. Higel. As we opened last week's episode,

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Speaker 1: you spoke at length and very eloquently. I might add

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Speaker 1: about how much the character of Pee Wee Herman unsettled you.

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Speaker 1: I was wondering, after all we discussed for that episode,

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Speaker 1: have your feelings on him changed at all now now

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Speaker 1: that you know more about him, is there less to fear? No?

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Speaker 1: I still find it. I still find.

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Speaker 2: It and and kind of horrifying.

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Speaker 1: But I'm happy other people don't.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's weird because I always found him scary, but I

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Speaker 1: loved him anyway. I don't know why, Ei. There's something

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Speaker 1: it's like looking into the abyss. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: There's just I don't really cotton onto like it's because

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Speaker 2: you love the fifties, man.

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Speaker 1: I just I don't really cut it into that.

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Speaker 2: That just the day glow for my bake light Pastel

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Speaker 2: you know John Waters bowling shirt. How many other things

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Speaker 2: can I cram in here to describe this vision?

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Speaker 1: Plastic flamingos, Yeah from my hometown Leminster, Massachusetts.

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Speaker 2: That's where the plastic lawn flamingo is invented. Lemonster or

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Speaker 2: wister is somewhere near where I grew up. Huh, lemister

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Speaker 2: mid National news this week when there were historic floods.

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Speaker 2: It was on the Weather Channel's TikTok page and everything.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's either that are fentanyl, right, Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: a Springsteen song.

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Speaker 1: Will they shut.

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Speaker 2: Down the pink Flamingos and worster last night?

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Speaker 1: The flamingo doostm fentanyl? I mean as a kid, I

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Speaker 1: used to find something very calm about all the fifties

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Speaker 1: like the uncanny valleiness of it and the darkness of it.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the creepiness of it. I No, I mean

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Speaker 1: my journey, I I I that's the part of it.

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Speaker 2: It's like like I was saying that like Judy Garland

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Speaker 2: Christmas Special Aesthetic.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I haven't can't say I really like, Uh, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: will get my favorite mean iTunes review, only for Alex

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Speaker 2: to lazily declare his ignorance of whatever topic they're they're discussing, like,

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Speaker 1: Got a very nice review this week. Somebody said that

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Speaker 1: which I think is very nice. Thank you. Somebody else

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Speaker 1: audio brethren. Do we get any more requests recently? I

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Speaker 2: the two thousands movies, Big the Masterpiece, Big Trouble, Little China.

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Speaker 1: Spoiler. You got some good, good ones coming up for Halloween. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's my time. Yes, and I saw a. I was

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Speaker 1: lucky enough to attend the screening of Stop Making Sense,

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Speaker 1: the Talking Heads concert documentary last night with it was

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Speaker 1: part of me really wants to do stop making sense?

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Speaker 1: into the tigle. I imagine you did not watch Pee

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Speaker 2: No, I again, it was just like something that my

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Speaker 2: memories are like Ninja Turtles really and then like Spiderman

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Speaker 2: and X Men. Something about this just escaped me at

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Speaker 1: God that movie is way more unsettling and upsetting than

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Speaker 1: Pee Wee, Herm and Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know my parents, my parents. Yeah, my parents

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Speaker 2: told me it was like my favorite movie around this time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I own know. This was just not on my radar.

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Speaker 2: No none of my friends or peers like he was

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Speaker 2: Just a real blind spot for me, which is part

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Speaker 2: of why it's so fascinating to me.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's not the last time we used the word

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Speaker 1: exposed in this episode. Ah, Let's dive in from the

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Speaker 1: insane lengths that Paul Rubins went to preserve the illusion

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you can keep that? You know what? What?

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Speaker 1: End it there? Here's the second installment of our two

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Speaker 1: part episode about pee Wee. Herman exploring everything you didn't

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Speaker 1: know about Peele's Playhouse. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Wow, even the name sounds obscene. Sometime a playhouse pee

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Speaker 2: Wee and playhouse clubhouse would have been better? Maybe Yeah, house.

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Speaker 1: Hog house, phe Wee's hog House, June, can we add

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Speaker 1: According to Law, the story of Peewee's Playhouse begins at

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Speaker 1: the premiere of Pewee's Big Adventure in nineteen eighty five,

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Speaker 1: when the vice president of children's Programming at CBSUP approached

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Speaker 1: howdy dooty freak going up. I was actually on one

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Speaker 1: Duty Captain Kangaroo. A lot of local kid shows that

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Speaker 1: in an amazingly positive and great way. However, he did

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Speaker 2: Are they not familiar with the concept of placing coins

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Speaker 2: ancient Greek ferryman Karen.

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Speaker 1: That's how far back that goes? Yeah, that seemed like

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Speaker 2: Nicish thing to pay the ferrymen to get you across

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Speaker 2: the river sticks.

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Speaker 1: Wow, love sticks.

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Speaker 1: She's my lade. Did they name themselves sticks and then

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Speaker 2: Possibly? I don't know who gives a shit. I hate

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Speaker 2: that man. Really, they're no Boston, I'll tell you that much.

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Speaker 2: You only like Boston because you interviewed Tom Schultz. I

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Speaker 2: like Boston because Boston is diy as hell. Yeah, dude,

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Speaker 2: that whips that is legit DIY rock. It might be

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Speaker 2: who hounded his bandmates to death. But uh oh, Brad

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Speaker 2: I was working on a theory that Tom Schultz is

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Speaker 2: Brad Delt, didn't he like young himself?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? No, no, no, no, it was he. I think

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Speaker 1: he suffocated himself with barbecue charcoal in his bedroom.

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Speaker 2: Beef with Stephen Stephen. That's like a final destination thing

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Speaker 1: I've heard it's really good. It is really it's really good.

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Speaker 1: Could you lighten it up? What?

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Speaker 2: point on, I know that Paul knew he could make

430
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 2: me laugh, and he tortured me. At one point, the

431
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 2: director came over and said, in this very low voice,

432
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 2: I need to get this shot. How do I get

433
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 2: this shot? And I said, well, I can't look at Paul.

434
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 2: I really thought I was going to lose the job. Ah,

435
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 2: great one, Natasha Leone. The first season of Pee Wee's

436
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 2: Playhouse featured sewn Weiss later who starred as Goldberg and

437
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: Mighty Ducks as one of the Playhouse Gang and Future. Ah,

438
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 2: she's like a Netflix star at this point. Right, she

439
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 2: did Orange, the New Black, Russian Doll. Oh, poker Face

440
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 2: isn't on Netflix, but yeah, streaming icon Natasha Leone. Have

441
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 2: you seen Russian Doll? He would love that show. She's

442
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 2: just doing Colombo. She's really leaning into the New York

443
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 2: accent on it. Just it's so great.

444
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:57,199
Speaker 1: Just one more thing though, by the way, while I

445
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: have you, that's a hell of a Peter Folk.

446
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 2: I'm doing Natasha Leone, but she adds the smoker's rasp

447
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: to it. Yeah, but oh it's great. She's it's so good.

448
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 2: Great show. But the two of them only lasted a season,

449
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 2: and you posit two explanations for this one is that

450
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 2: they were fired for being too rambunctious. Great note, it's

451
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 2: like a Bond Scott's death certificate, right, death by misadventure.

452
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind to read death by rambunctiousness. I just

453
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 1: recorded a narrative voice over where I referenced death by misadventure.

454
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: That's how Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones officially does.

455
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 2: I think it was like a British thing, like they

456
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 2: just like have they classified like overdoses and drunks. But

457
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 2: the more likely reason is that CBS simply moved production

458
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 2: during the second season from New York City to LA

459
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 2: necessitating a new playhouse gang of children, including Alison Porter,

460
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 2: who went on to star in nineteen ninety one's Curly Sue.

461
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: What are you laughing at? You, son of a bitch?

462
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 1: It requires a bit of explanation, but you know what,

463
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: why stop now on the whole death by misadventure thing.

464
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 1: I had a friend who worked at a factory in

465
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: high school, and he was a very, very big guy,

466
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,959
Speaker 1: and he reprided himself on being able to lift things.

467
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: And there was a big barrel and everyone's telling him

468
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: not to lift this barrel. I mean, he did it anyway,

469
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: and he lifted it and he was top heavy now

470
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: and he tripped and fell backwards and the top fell

471
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 1: off the barrel and it was filled with rainbow sprinkles

472
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: and they came and just washed over his head and face.

473
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: And I was just thinking, if he choked and suffocated,

474
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: the death on rainbow sprinkles, like that's death by misadventure.

475
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 2: I'm imagining like a very dramatic moment where like it's

476
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: like Chief in one flew over the cuckoo's nest, like

477
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 2: lifting lifting the water fountain. But it just He's was

478
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 2: it was the ice cream sprinkles. Ice cream sprinkles. Yeah, God,

479
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 2: what a way to go.

480
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: Uh.

481
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: Though Leon's time in the show was short lived, it

482
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 2: did make an impact on her, she recalled twenty eighteen

483
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: interview with Entertainment Weekly. Nothing makes me feel legitimately cool

484
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 2: quite so much as the fact that I was on

485
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 2: that show. She stayed in contact with Rubens throughout the years,

486
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: mentioning in another EW video that he sends the best

487
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: gifts gifts or gifts.

488
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: Oh my good than this. I'm not I'm not getting

489
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: into this. I say no now I don't even remember

490
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: what I say. No.

491
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Speaker 2: Is it gifts as in like present or like reaction gifts?

492
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: Oh, reaction gifts? Okay, Yeah. Conan O'Brien said something about

493
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: that too, like on somebody's birthday he would just blow

494
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: up their phone by sending like old timey animation gifts

495
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: and stuff all day. It's it's gifts, by the way,

496
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: It's not just gifts. Okay, you can't you can't.

497
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Speaker 2: People who say that are that's a wilful misinterpretation of

498
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 2: the English language. It stands for graphics interchangeable format. You

499
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 2: use the same sound as the words when you're pronouncing

500
00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 2: an acronym. It's not draphics interchangeable format. People say you,

501
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:01,719
Speaker 2: I don't know what to tell you.

502
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: You're wrong. It's black and white issue. That's not the

503
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: way the word sounds.

504
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 2: You just say, what do you You can pronounce a t

505
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 2: F instead of alcohol, tobacco on fire. You're gonna pronounce

506
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: it a t F. You know, Well, that's an act.

507
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: That's it. You're you're spelling it out. It's like NASA

508
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: is like something that you say as a new word,

509
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: as opposed to like FBI.

510
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that still doesn't that still gets in my point.

511
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 2: Like you said, it's national air, but no one pronounces

512
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 2: it NASA NASA. I'm sure there's still hard a sounds,

513
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 2: there's still the valve sounds that are present in those

514
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: words aerospace, NASA, not NASA, not how the English language works.

515
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can sand people. I don't care.

516
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: None of this, none of this postmodern every interpretation is valid.

517
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 2: No one's feelings get hurt it bull, that's not the

518
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: way words work.

519
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 4: Full stop, cold blooded murder of the English tongue. I'll

520
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 4: die on this hill. It's it's it's wrong, it's black

521
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 4: and white. Has the world gone mad? We must have standards.

522
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, like you can't which there are rules Market zero.

523
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 2: After Ruben's death, Natasha Leone posted on Twitter, love you

524
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: so much, Paul. Thank you for my career in your

525
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: forever friendship all these years and for teaching us what

526
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: a true original is.

527
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: That is true and that's why I like Paul Rubens

528
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: true original. Yeah, that is true.

529
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: Speaking of the location change, it's probably for the best

530
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: that production of the show moved from New York to

531
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: la and its second season because this set in New

532
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,959
Speaker 2: York was built on the fifth floor of a Soho

533
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: loft that had once been a sweatshop so still was

534
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 2: still was so yeah. Soeg machines had to be cleared

535
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: out before the set could be and air conditioning had

536
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: to be pumped in from a truck five stories below

537
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: on the street because the room was so stuffy. George McGrath,

538
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: who was a writer and puppeteer on the show, later

539
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: told Entertainment Weekly the building was a sweatshop. If the

540
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,719
Speaker 2: elevator opened on a floor of four hours, you'd literally

541
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: see a thousand Asian women on sewing machines. Rob Zombie added,

542
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: it was this cramped mess. It looked so unprofessional. Supervising

543
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: producer Steve Oakes also observed Paul sweats a lot, so

544
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 2: we went out and rented one of those air conditioning

545
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: trucks that cools off jets while they're on the tarmac.

546
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: At one point everyone was wearing parkas that had colds

547
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: in the middle of August.

548
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: That's like the shoot for the thing.

549
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: When they were shooting down, Yeah, bouncing back and forth

550
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: between intense freezer cooled set.

551
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: And the la heat.

552
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: Rubens exerted a Jerry Lewis like auturist level of control

553
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 2: over the set and its elaborate designs. Paul had a

554
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: background as a visual artist and painter, and he brought

555
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: that to bear through the art direction of the show.

556
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: Employed artists like Gary Panter, Rick Heitzman, and Wayne White

557
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: as designers, and together they approached the set like an

558
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 2: evolving installation. Panter would later tell Rolling Stone in nineteen

559
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: eighty seven, Paul's got a strong sense of everything he likes.

560
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: He's really smart, and he's a collector of all the

561
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: kind of stuff that's on the set, so he knows

562
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 2: that genre inside out. He's got a great collection of

563
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: children's textbook from the thirties and forties. His old house

564
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 2: in la was covered with toys and art and objects.

565
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, this would cause legal problems for him down the road,

566
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: but we'll we'll get to that later.

567
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: A friend would describe the aesthetics of Pee's Playhouse to

568
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: The Sun Sentinel as atomic fifties Peewee. Herman is completely

569
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: into bad taste, completely into cheese. It's a very Jane

570
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: Mansfield mentality. Wayne White would tell ARTnews dot Com my

571
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 2: references were old Fisher Price toys and little Golden books.

572
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: We were trying to start anew to find this niche

573
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: of design that hadn't been poured over a million times.

574
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: We were doing a lot of nostalgic kind of things

575
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: because we were all baby boom and had grown up

576
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: with the same kinds of toys and had the same

577
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: kinds of memories. But I mainly thought of the packaging

578
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: that the toys would come in. I was also thinking

579
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: of old textile designs from the late forties and early

580
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: fifties for wallpapers. I was mostly inspired by a lot

581
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: of old shirts and ties, especially the Polynesian wallpaper that's

582
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: around mister window. In this same article, Gary Panter, who

583
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: appears to be the chief designer on the show, talks

584
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: about how they saw themselves essentially straight laced rebels like

585
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: Pewee and Big Adventure, who saw themselves as revolting against

586
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: the brash contemporary style. He said, when I got to

587
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: LA in the punk rock days, I became best friends

588
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: with Matt Greening. We were both determined to subvert the media,

589
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: and I wrote a manifesto about it in nineteen seventy nine,

590
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: encouraging artists to infiltrate media and take the design of

591
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 2: children's television and TV shows out of the hands of

592
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 2: the money men. And that happened to a great extent.

593
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: Peewee in a few breakthrough shows like ren and Stimpy

594
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: and The Simpsons transformed the video landscape. But it wasn't

595
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 2: all heavy handed missions and manifestos. According to Wayne White,

596
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: it was a dreaming job. I didn't have any responsibilities

597
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: other than to be creative. I was a child. I

598
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: wasn't an adult at all. That was handled by the

599
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: producers and the directors and the assistant directors and the

600
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: cameraman and all that. We would just play like idiots.

601
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: It's almost embarrassing how irresponsible I felt at the time,

602
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: you know, and everyone just indulge us. We would just

603
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: sit around and smoke wheed all day, laugh and it

604
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: was just incredible. Just the best job you can imagine,

605
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: must be nice, I just got it.

606
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: It makes me so furious.

607
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: The landscape in which we live, where we're like constantly

608
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: forced to do more, produce more with less resources, and

609
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 2: a big streaming giant can come in and just buy

610
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: your streamer and delete your life's work that no longer

611
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: pops up on IMDb. And we got so much incredible

612
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: art out of this environment where shockingly, artists were just

613
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: allowed to be artists.

614
00:32:55,160 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: Like what a concept. I do have a question for though,

615
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 1: go on, if you write a manifesto, yeah, are you

616
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: automatically insufferable? I mean, what do you got? You got

617
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: Karl Marx, you got the Unabomber, you got Jerry Maguire,

618
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: the futurists. Is there anyone who's written a manifesto that

619
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: would buck that trend? Yeah?

620
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: I guess manifesto does kind of have an't negative Conde

621
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 2: didn't to it tweet at us if you, if you

622
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: were a loved one, has a positive manifesto, you'd like

623
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: to share. God, we're gonna get like seventeen Now we're

624
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: not gonna get anyone. No one's gonna tweet to me.

625
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: But it's like the Jeff fox Worthy think, if you've

626
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: written a manifesto might be awful.

627
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: As you meditate on that, we'll be right back with

628
00:33:46,600 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: more too much information. After these messages, Paul Rubins exacting

629
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: attention to detail wound up costing him both emotionally and financially.

630
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 2: It feels like financially should have gone before emotionally there,

631
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 2: but yeah, just a note for the future. Most Saturday

632
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: Morning cartoons were produced for about two hundred and fifty

633
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 2: thousand an episode, or what David Zaslov makes per second.

634
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 2: I think in today's media landscape, Peebe's Playhouse cost somewhere

635
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 2: between three hundred and fifty thousand or five hundred and

636
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: fifteen thousand dollars per half hour. That is truly insane. Yeah,

637
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: what's the average cost of a half hour? I mean

638
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 2: that sounds about like these days, commercials go for way

639
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 2: more than that single camera half hours on broadcast and cable. Oh,

640
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 2: this was in twenty seventeen. One point five to three mil.

641
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 2: Sounds about right, all right, I stand corrected. It's not insane.

642
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 2: Paul was on the hook for all of that money.

643
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: That's crazy, though, he told Rolling Start in twenty sixteen. Originally,

644
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 2: I love quite a bit of money on Pebe's Playhouse.

645
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: I was responsible financially for PB's Playhouse. So when it

646
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: went over budget, not if it went over budget. When

647
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 2: it went over budget, that came out of my pocket.

648
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to mention a figure, but we had

649
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: one season that was over budget by a lot of money.

650
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit of a perfectionist, not a little bit.

651
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 2: I'm a perfectionist. I went to rebuild the whole playhouse

652
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: door if it's too big or the wrong color. So

653
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm a great producer, But I also

654
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: have distinct limitations in that department because I will always

655
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 2: spend more money and not sacrifice quality. So it went

656
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 2: over budget a lot, like every season at the time

657
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: in the eighties. He would get very testy about this.

658
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: When a reporter for Rolling Stone mentioned an episode of

659
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 2: Pebe's Playhouse costs as much as a primetime show. Rubens

660
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 2: responded by pulling the children are our future card. Aren't

661
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: our children more important than ourselves? Why shouldn't Saturday morning

662
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: children's programs be just as expensive as the things we

663
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: watch at night?

664
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: They shot this show on.

665
00:35:54,719 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 2: Film before transferring it to tape for broadcast, which could

666
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 2: have saved them some money. Rubens paid himself scale, though

667
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 2: I respect that one of the directors of the animated segments,

668
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: Philip Trumbo, would admit that though the Dinosaur Family segments

669
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: had more revisions than anything I've ever worked on professionally,

670
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: it won an enemy good for him.

671
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: But Pee Wee's Playoffs didn't just cost Rubens financially, it

672
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: also came damn near close to costing him insanity too.

673
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: One thing I didn't realize as a kid was just

674
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: how hard he worked to keep up the illusion that

675
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: pee Wee Herman was a real person. You'll notice that

676
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: Ruben's name doesn't actually appear in the Pee Wee's Playhouse credits. Instead,

677
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: they simply list pee Wee Herman as himself. It became

678
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: this Andy Kaufman style performance piece, basically with Paul Rubins

679
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: building pee Wee up as a distinct entity from himself,

680
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: and this was done as a conscious creative decision with

681
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: his management team early on Tomorrow praise from Ghostbusters, there

682
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 1: is no Paul Rubins, only pee Wee Herman. Year years,

683
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: he maintained this persona for all of his public appearances,

684
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: from talk shows to WrestleMania. He refused to be photographed

685
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: out of character, and this became difficult at points because,

686
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: for example, he was a heavy smoker, so we went

687
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: to great lengths to avoid being photographed with a cigarette

688
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: in his mouth or even drinking SODA's, fearing that he

689
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: would be a poor influence on the children who admired

690
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: him or admired pee Wee. Even interviews were done as

691
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 1: pee Wee. As Bob Plunkett, a journalist based in Reuben's

692
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: hometown of Sarasota, later wrote in Sarasota Magazine, no interviews

693
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: with Paul were ever allowed, no photos of him were available,

694
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: no allusions to him were permitted. The hometown boy makes

695
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: good story I kept wanting to do was always squashed,

696
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: and with what I considered to be a very heavy hand.

697
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: We were even told that if we persisted we would

698
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: not be allowed to publish any pictures, including ones of

699
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: pee Wee. Fellow journalist T. Gertler made a similar observation

700
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: in his nineteen eighty seven profile for Rolling Stone. The

701
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: ground rules allowed no questions about Paul Rubens or about

702
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: Pee Wee Herman's work methods. His office explained that I

703
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: would be talking to pee Wee, but he wouldn't be

704
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: using his pee Wee voice. I wondered if I should

705
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: use a different voice. I thought of checking Sybil in

706
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 1: the Three Faces of Eve Out of the Library, famously

707
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: books about people with multiple personality disorder. Paul or pee

708
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: Wee or whoever discussed this himself in the Rolling Stone article, saying,

709
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: the problem to me is that I have two names,

710
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: and beyond that there's not much of a story. This

711
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 1: feels more right. I'm able to do all the things

712
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: I want to do with this arrangement much better. There

713
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: are so many things I would like to do, so

714
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: many people. I probably am that it becomes a lot

715
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 1: less complicated for me. At the time, this all added

716
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 1: to his reputation. Vanity Fair journalist James Walcott wrote in

717
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven, Paul Rubins might be one of the

718
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: few remaining performance artists who still believe in secrets, distance,

719
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: and mystique. He's contained dynamo is out to spill his innards.

720
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: Rubens himself would offer an explanation towards the end of

721
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: his life that relied less on high concepts and smoke

722
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: and mirrors. He said there was a higher likability factor

723
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: to pee Wee Herman, and I made a decision to

724
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 1: I guess I just became pee Weee for a while

725
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: because I couldn't figure out how to make it in Hollywood.

726
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I had anything to separate me

727
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: from anyone else in town. This sounds really weird, but

728
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: I was actually thinking of that musical number in Gypsy,

729
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: you gotta have a gimmick. There are these strippers singing

730
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 1: that song, and I was thinking about that and going

731
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: a gimmick, Yes, that's good, which was probably closer to

732
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: the truth. But all of this took a toll on

733
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: Paul Rubens's parents, Milton and Judy Rubenfeld, to whom he

734
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: was very close. As his mom told Rolling Stone in

735
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven, I'm not sure where Paul ends and

736
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: pee Wee begins. He'd already changed his name from the

737
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: family name of Rubenfeld to Rubens, and by the mid

738
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: eighties she was having a hard time keeping up. She said,

739
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: it's real weird when you're a Missus Rubens or a

740
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: Missus Rubenfeld A this is Herman, it gets very confusing.

741
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: Paul actually created fictionalized versions of Pewee's parents, Herman and

742
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: Honey Herman, Yes, Herman Herman, in order to keep up

743
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: the illusion that Peewee was a real person. So his

744
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: actual parents had strict guidelines to follow if they attended

745
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: premiers or charity events or any other functions, they were

746
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: instructed not to identify themselves, not to associate with Paul

747
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: slash Peewee in public, and definitely not to talk to

748
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: the press. Despite what could easily be construed as a

749
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: massive public rejection, Paul remained a very dedicated son. He

750
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: even moved back to Sarasota to help care for his

751
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: dad after he was diagnosed with cancer in the early

752
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 1: two thousands. Considering he literally lived and breathed this character,

753
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: you would think that writing episodes of Pee Wee's Playhouse

754
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 1: was second nature to Paul, and that's sort of true.

755
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: He did find it very easy to tap into that

756
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: childlike part of his brain. This was also helped by

757
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: games of interoffice hide and Seek that he would play

758
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: to distract himself and his staff from the task of writing.

759
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: Much like mister Rogers, Paul had an innate sense of

760
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: how to talk to children, although unlike Fred Rodgers, he

761
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: didn't make it his crusade to better the lives of children.

762
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: He told Rolling Stone in twenty fourteen, one of the

763
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: things I feel the show did really well was that

764
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: we never talked down to kids. It was a show

765
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: that assumed its viewers were very young but very smart.

766
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: Never seemed like a kid's show if you were actually

767
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: a kid. That's true. That's one of the things I

768
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: liked about it at that age. One of the most

769
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: memorable moments of the series. I always remember this, and

770
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: I kind of almost thought I Mandela affected it. But

771
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: then I would read recaps of you know, Paul Rubins

772
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: after he died, and a lot of people mentioned this bit,

773
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: so I'm glad it wasn't just me. There was the

774
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: old you know, Oh, I really love something. Oh if

775
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: he loved it so much, why don't you marry it?

776
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 1: There were so many great jokes. You know, so many

777
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: stupid childlike jokes in that show.

778
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: I also know you are, But what am I? I? Well,

779
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: that was like his catchhrase. But when I was watching

780
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 2: the movie clips, I was like, oh, ninety percent of

781
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 2: like I heard on the playground growing up came from this.

782
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think it came from this. I think

783
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: he took it from the playground, is my guess. Like

784
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: I think they were just things that kids always said,

785
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: and then he like legitimizes in the right word. But

786
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: then he would make it part of this bratty Peewee

787
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: character that he became a lot less bratty on Peewee's

788
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: Playhouse and The Big Adventure and all this the stuff

789
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: that he would do on Letterman. He was definitely like

790
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: a brady kid. That whole description you had to use

791
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: the way you indebibly put it, a child throwing rocks

792
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: at birds. That that's less in the playhouse. She much

793
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: more of a genial eccentric in Peewey's Playhouse. But yeah,

794
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: there was a whole you know, if you loved it

795
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: so much, money Marriott thing he took this joke to

796
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: his very literal conclusion by staging a wedding ceremony with

797
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: a fruit salad which included a bowl of fruit wearing

798
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: a veil, and they had somebody act as the priest

799
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: doing the vows, and they stuck a microphone out in

800
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: front of the fruit salad, who said nothing. So the

801
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: priest bent its ear down close and said up, he says,

802
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 1: I do.

803
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: So.

804
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: I remember that was pretty surreal and weird, and you know,

805
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: I stand the commitment to the bit. I think that's admirable.

806
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: Paul continued, a rolling stone. I really love kids. I'm

807
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: always knocked out by kids, how funny they are and

808
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: what they appreciate. The greatest moments in the writing room

809
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: were always when myself or someone else who'd come up

810
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: with something that would make us say, this is going

811
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 1: to make a six year old fall off the couch.

812
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: It was so fun and so rewarding to do something

813
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: where the goal was just to make kids laugh and

814
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 1: entertain them and show them a world that embraces creativity

815
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: and nonconformity. He also pushed the envelope every now and then.

816
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: You may recall a scene where he unpacks groceries for

817
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,959
Speaker 1: the camera, pulls out a jug of milk, then another

818
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: jug of milk, and then lemonade, a reference to the

819
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: old grade school verse that Peewee completed explaining where fudge

820
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 1: is made. Despite these barely codd nods to childhood grow tesquery,

821
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: if that's a word, CBS had surprisingly few notes during

822
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: the production of the show. Rubens maintained creative control throughout

823
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: the five seasons of Pee Wee's Playhouse and only recalled

824
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: a handful of incidents where the network's Standard and Practices

825
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: department demanded changes. He recalled to the av Club in

826
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: the first episode, the network said, you can't stick that

827
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: pencil and that potato because pencils are sharp and you

828
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: might encourage kids to stab things. So we didn't do that.

829
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: I was like, are you afraid of the dark? Or

830
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 2: they wouldn't let kids use matches? Oh right, couldn't show

831
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 2: kids striking matches on TV?

832
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: Oh, and that's why they threw the special igniting power

833
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: of dust. Yes, yes, there was also an episode they

834
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: got a letter about where there was a fire in

835
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: the playhouse and a firefighter showed up and he and

836
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: miss Yvonne were flirting and he said, you have to

837
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: have a smoke detector, and she said, I have one

838
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: in my bedroom above the bed. He asked us to

839
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: change that for subsequent airings of the show, so we

840
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: went in and looped dialogue over it, so instead she said,

841
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: I have one in my kitchen. I put it back

842
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: to the original version for the DVD release, and there

843
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: was a shot of a bathroom that we held for

844
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: a really long time and you could hear pee Wee peeing.

845
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: They asked us to tone down the sound of the

846
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: peeing and at a score, so it was a little

847
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 1: less graphic. All the changes they asked us to make

848
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: seems really reasonable to me, and we accommodated them. I

849
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: think in forty five episodes there were only maybe three

850
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: other changes they ever asked for. One of these was

851
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: they forbade pee Wee from emerging from a bathroom with

852
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: a trail of toilet paper sticking to his shoe, and

853
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: I also forbade him from saying the phrase I'll show

854
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: you mine if you show me yours, oho and also

855
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: making sun tea because of concerns that viewers didn't know

856
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: about the dangers of bacteria growth in making sun tea,

857
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: which I didn't know either. I thought sun tea was

858
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: a piss thing. I think no, it's making iced tea

859
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 1: in the sun.

860
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but there's like a thirty rock

861
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,959
Speaker 2: thing about somebody peeing in jars.

862
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: One hour in the sun versus is five minutes and

863
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: oh wow, okay, hey, speaking of talking heads, I just

864
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: got a text from my friend. My friend Morgan out

865
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: Tina Weymouth believes that David Burn's an actual murder. Oh no,

866
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,959
Speaker 1: I didn't. This is per Salon. In two thousand and three,

867
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: she heard at a party that Burn had killed a

868
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: boy in Brazil using voodoo. She wanted us to play

869
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: hardy boys and solve the case. David is a vampire

870
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: in a way. She told me. Psychics have seen him

871
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: and they say that he just has a firewall around him.

872
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: I want to do a top ten rock stars who

873
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: have got involved with voodoo, because supposedly when Guns n'

874
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 2: Roses got a Did did I tell you this in

875
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 2: the in the GENR episode about guns and Axel and voodoo?

876
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I know we talked about it with

877
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson. Well, there's a first episode, think on hook.

878
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 1: There's a two parter to this story.

879
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: The one is that in the Large Engrass Band against

880
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: Me had to put out when they were first, like

881
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: they were on one of their smaller labels, when they're

882
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 2: kind of coming up, they put out this record live

883
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 2: tour DVD called We're Never Going Home, and in it

884
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 2: they do an interview with another guy in another band

885
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 2: who shared like a management personnel or something with guns n' Roses,

886
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 2: and he was he was relaying the story that when

887
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 2: Axel heard about the Against Me record reinventing Axel Rose,

888
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 2: he was so furious that he created voodoo dolls of

889
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 2: the band Against Me and utilized them. And then follow up,

890
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: when I was researching GNR at page six about their

891
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 2: like fan bootlegging selling drama, I managed to get a

892
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: hold of their anar original A and R guy Tom Zutau,

893
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 2: and he told me all this incredible off the record,

894
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 2: and that when I called him, I wanted to get

895
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: it on the record and set up an actual interview.

896
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: He ghosted me and he was telling me how that

897
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 2: all this voodoo stuff comes from. They got a manager

898
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 2: in the mid nineties who I think is from Venezuela,

899
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 2: and the guy's mom was like a like a voodoo

900
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 2: priest or something, or like a pests or like seriously

901
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 2: believed in like indigenous Venezuelan witchcraft, and that's where all

902
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 2: of Axel's interest in voodoo came from.

903
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: So what were we talking about?

904
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: Oh, my favorite talking Heads anecdote is I think Brian

905
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 2: Eno talking about He's like, the thing you have to

906
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 2: understand is that David Byrne is a genuine eccentric. I

907
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: remember we were walking, Yeah, they get mugged and he's like,

908
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 2: My vision of that night is David Byrne being dragged

909
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 2: off into the shrubs by a gang of men and

910
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 2: just going oh no, oh, oh oh yeah.

911
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: Right, like a cartoon character.

912
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 2: Oh, like his arms raping around.

913
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: That's so funny to me.

914
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 2: Peewey's Playhouse, Voodoo or Not, premiered on September thirteenth, nineteen

915
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: eighty six, thirty seven years ago this week. At the time,

916
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 2: most kids shows were essentially flimsy vehicles to sell to,

917
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 2: so Reuben's creation attracted a great deal of attention from

918
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: critics who were fascinated by this postmodernist fever.

919
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: Dream man.

920
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 2: I want to do a thing about like, do you

921
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 2: remember in the eighties and ninety early nineties how much

922
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 2: adult was co opted into children's animation. I think I

923
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: talked about this before, but Rambo, RoboCop, Aliens, and the

924
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: Toxic Avenger and swamp Thing were all turned into animated

925
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 2: shows to hawk action figure lines. Not a sample, Yeah,

926
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 2: not a single one of those source material movies or

927
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 2: comic books were appropriate for children. Comic books that could

928
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 2: maybe make the edge case. But there is a swamp

929
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 2: Thing plotline where his arch nemesis comes back from the

930
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: dead and possesses his stepdaughter's husband and rapes her. And

931
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 2: there's also one where swamp Thing grows a hallucinogenic fruit

932
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 2: and feeds it to that same woman, Abigail Arcane, and

933
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 2: they have a crazy acid tripping fever dream sex. He

934
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 2: is plant, He is a plant. I think I have

935
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 2: it right here. Actually now, I'm not going to look

936
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 2: that up.

937
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: Here's what I made earlier.

938
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I dude, I remember being a kid

939
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 2: and getting the Alien's action figures, Like don't you remember that?

940
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 2: Did you remember seeing that advertise Aliens and Predators? Predator

941
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 2: that's six And that's why I saw Alien when I

942
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 2: was six, because my dad was like, well, you're getting

943
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: these action figures, you want to watch the original movie?

944
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 2: And I had nightmares about it for like five years

945
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 2: after that, Like legitimately, I finally stopped having nightmares about

946
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 2: an alien growing inside me and kind of bursting out

947
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 2: through my chest five years later. And it was because

948
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: of these action figures that were marketed to children insane.

949
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: It was more of a Thomas the Tank Engine guy

950
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: because of Ringo. Yeah. Yeah.

951
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 2: The New York Times describe Peewee as sweetly loony and

952
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 2: unpredictable gentle. You get always tiptoeing on the edge of

953
00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: devastating absurdity.

954
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: By the grace of God, go both of us. Yeah.

955
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 2: He's a one man force battling the plague of boredom

956
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 2: that has settled on Saturday morning programming for children. One

957
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 2: element that was frequently commented upon was the fact that

958
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: the characters on the show came from very diverse cultural backgrounds.

959
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: The show won a total of fifteen Emmys throughout its

960
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 2: five season run, including two for Missy Vaughan's hair, created

961
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 2: by legendary hairstylist Sally Hirschberger, who is famous for creating

962
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 2: Meg Ryan's late eighties poodle hair Yeah Shaggy shag cut

963
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 2: Hershberger was at one points the most expensive hairstylist in

964
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 2: New York City charging six hundred dollars for cut in

965
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 2: the eighties, which is like what four thousand today. Oscar

966
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 2: winning makeup v Neil, a judge on sci Fi's Face Off,

967
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 2: won her first major award, a Daytime Emmy, for her

968
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 2: work on pee Wee's Playhouse, and then she went on

969
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 2: to win Academy Awards for Best Makeup for Beetlejuice, Missus Doubtfire,

970
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 2: and ed Ward pee Wee. Though crucially not Paul Rubins

971
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 2: was honored with a star on Hollywood Walk of Fame

972
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty eight, gotten on the cover of Life

973
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: and Rolling Stone magazines, and the keynote speech at the

974
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:17,919
Speaker 2: Republican National Convention, during which he was compared to Michael Dukakis.

975
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: It's hard to think of a more nineteen eighties sentence

976
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 2: than that, yeah, football players did the Peewee dance after

977
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 2: scoring a touchdown. By the end of the nineteen eighties,

978
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: it was estimated from was this that Q research, that

979
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: one place that does all this market research that ninety

980
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 2: six percent of all Americans recognized Pewee's name. But perhaps

981
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 2: most touching to pee Wee or to Rubens was the

982
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 2: accolade that he earned props from live action children's TV

983
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 2: legend Bob, Captain Kangaroo keishin. That was a show I watched,

984
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: Captain Kangaroo. I love you, Captain Kangaroo. Yeah, where did you?

985
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: It was not on where I lived? Oh really, it

986
00:52:58,719 --> 00:52:59,439
Speaker 1: was on for us?

987
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 2: Yeah uh. In fact, Captain Kangaroo was such a big

988
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 2: fan that he reviewed Peewee's VHS release in nineteen ninety

989
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 2: six for Entertainment Weekly, praising its awesome production values. With

990
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 2: the possible exception of the Muppets, you can't find such

991
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 2: creativity anywhere on TV. Star Paul Rubins is an absolute genius,

992
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 2: but I am personally offended by his spastic approach. Quite

993
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: a one to two punch of criticism.

994
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, yeah, a child lead with the goods.

995
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, a child at home imitating his motions all day

996
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 2: could drive parents crazy.

997
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: That's the point. Yeah.

998
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,760
Speaker 2: When I made Captain Kangaroo, we would never do segments

999
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: like the one in which Pee Weee tells viewers to

1000
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 2: scream at the top of the lungs whenever they hear

1001
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 2: the day's secret word. Compared to what's available for kids, though,

1002
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 2: programs that send the message that violence is an appropriate

1003
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 2: solution to a problem. These criticisms pale pee Weee is

1004
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: a benign character who treats his friends with respect. Another

1005
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 2: fan was David Bowie, who apparently invited Pee Wee Paul

1006
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,439
Speaker 2: to open for him on tour twice Yes and Paul

1007
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 2: turned him down both times with the all timer reaction, Sorry, Bowie,

1008
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 2: I'm not an opening act. He would later allow it

1009
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 2: was one of his few professional regrets. Rubens used his

1010
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 2: growing notoriety to keep eccentric company. He became close to

1011
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 2: Doris Duke, the billionaire tobacco heiress at one point known

1012
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: as the richest woman in the world, and became close

1013
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: to her adopted daughter, Chandy Hefner. Chandy Hefner, they married

1014
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 2: each other one night in what's been described as an

1015
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 2: impromptu mock ceremony that at a dinner party in nineteen

1016
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 2: eighty nine at Duke's Diamond Head estate. It was attended

1017
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 2: by Jim Nighbors aka Gomer Pyle, and also I'mel dea Marcos,

1018
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: the first Lady of the Philippines. Rubens later said, I

1019
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 2: still have the temporary marriage license signed by Immel de Marcos,

1020
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: a woman party to innumerable human rights violations and.

1021
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: A lot of shoes, and our life story was turned

1022
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: into a musical by David Byrne Here Lies Love See.

1023
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: I'm taking this all as a sign that we got

1024
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: to do stop making sense.

1025
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 2: Uh so was Paul Rubins gay segue. Jim Nighbors was

1026
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 2: famously closeted in Hollywood. He was close to Rock Hudson

1027
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 2: for years, and the rumor among many gossip columnists was

1028
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 2: that the two were romantically involved. It was such a

1029
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 2: widely reported story that at one point in the early seventies,

1030
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 2: someone in the pair social circle sent out a gag

1031
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 2: wedding invite to people to witness the marriage of Rock

1032
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 2: Hudson and Jim Nabors, at which Hudson would take the

1033
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 2: surname of Neighbours' most famous character, the aforementioned Gomer Pyle,

1034
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 2: thus becoming Rock Pile, which is a hell of a

1035
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 2: setup for a medium funny gag like a Flintstone's grade pun.

1036
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,919
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Supposedly, as a result of this, the pair

1037
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: maintained their distick in public for the rest of their lives.

1038
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 2: It's a different time. Yeah. There are some who made

1039
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 2: assumptions about Paul Ruben's sexuality based on his social circle, which,

1040
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 2: neigh That's probably what we should have prefaced this with

1041
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 2: instead of just segueing right into Jim Neighbors and Rock Hudson.

1042
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 2: Many assumed Rubens himself was gay, due to a large

1043
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 2: part to the uh Camp sensibilities of Peewee, but he

1044
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 2: never came out in his lifetime and was in fact

1045
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 2: linked to several women, and it's unclear if that was

1046
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 2: for publicity reasons, though one of his long term girlfriends,

1047
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 2: Downtown NYC cool girl Debbie Mazar, say that their relationship

1048
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: was never consummated, but Rubens never commented on it, and

1049
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 2: with that in mind, we will respect his wishes and

1050
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 2: refrain from commenting further. The popularity of Peebe's Playhouse led

1051
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 2: to the inevitable influx of merch party supplies, clothes, bedsheets,

1052
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 2: lunch boxes, trading cards, costumes, a full sized replica of

1053
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 2: Cherry the Chair, a playset that was so realistic he

1054
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: used it to block out episodes prior to shooting, and

1055
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 2: a talking peeweed all that sold more than a million units.

1056
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 2: I think I've seen it good number of those things

1057
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 2: sitting around at flea markets. Paul Rubins held a tremendous

1058
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,280
Speaker 2: amount of control over this side of his creation as well,

1059
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 2: since he was losing so much money on the expensive show,

1060
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 2: for which again he paid himself scale as an actor.

1061
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 2: The idea was that he'd make up through it for

1062
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 2: merchandising and syndication deals, but this was complicated by the

1063
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 2: fact that his standards were just as high for the

1064
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 2: merch as they were for the design of his show.

1065
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 2: For example, he sent the aforementioned Pee Wee doll back

1066
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 2: to the manufacturers with notes a total of eight times

1067
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 2: until he was satisfied. Sometimes his rigid adherence to quality

1068
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 2: came back to bite him. This was the case for

1069
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 2: his proposed Peewee branded cereal. He wanted to make a

1070
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 2: fruity breakfast cereal similar to his own childhood favorite tricks,

1071
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 2: but in classic mad cap fashion, he teamed up with Purina,

1072
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 2: the dog food company, to make Pee Wee Show a

1073
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 2: dog food themed cereal for kids. He followed his muse

1074
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 2: I'll give him that. The commercial was set to feature

1075
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty si mother pouring a bowl on the

1076
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 2: floor while kids crawl up and eat it like dogs. Shockingly,

1077
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 2: this made it all the way to the prototype phase,

1078
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 2: eventually failing at the final hurdle when it failed a

1079
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 2: taste test. The ever responsible Rubens wanted the serial to

1080
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 2: be made with all natural ingredients and flavorings like fruit juices,

1081
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 2: thus repulsing the kids who were the target maud audions

1082
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 2: and craved products. I guess made with high fruitose corn syrup. God,

1083
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 2: what a bizarre series of sentences.

1084
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: I just read dog food fine, all natural fruitures pass.

1085
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: No No. Around this time, Paul Rubins began production on

1086
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: the second pee Wee Herm in the movie nineteen eighty

1087
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: eight's Big Top Peewee, the idea presumably born from his

1088
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: childhood and Sarasota, the winter headquarters of Ringling Brothers where

1089
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: he dreamed of growing up and joining the circus. Directed

1090
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: by Greece director Randall Kleaiser, it marked the feature film

1091
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: debut of Dustin Diamond, who would make his first appearance

1092
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: on Saved by the Bill as Screech Powers just a

1093
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: few months after the movie's release, and Benicio del Toro,

1094
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: who played Duke the dog Faced Boy. I'm not over

1095
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: the fact that there was a world where Dustin Diamond

1096
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: and Benicio del Toro shared a screen together. That's insane.

1097
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,919
Speaker 1: Do you ever know about the dog Face Boy? No,

1098
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: tell me he was a real guy. It was Russian.

1099
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 2: His name was Fador Jifticheu, and he was a peat

1100
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 2: Barnum guy. If you look up pictures of him, he

1101
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 2: looks remarkably like Michael London in I was a teenage werewolf.

1102
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 2: He had the medical condition hypertrichosis, which is abnormal hair growth,

1103
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 2: which is what a lot of people where a lot

1104
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 2: of folk tales from were wolves actually come from. He

1105
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 2: was a polymath. He spoke Russian, German and English and

1106
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 2: was toured around as part of the Barnum sideshow. But

1107
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,439
Speaker 2: that's where the dog faced boy bit comes from. Tell

1108
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 2: me he had a happy rest of his life. Please

1109
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 2: tell me. But didn't I one of those Carnie deaths.

1110
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: Well, he was brought to the States in eighty four

1111
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: and he died twenty years later in Greece. So he

1112
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:14,959
Speaker 1: was doing all that like in the eighties, like during

1113
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: our lifetime. This wasn't eighteen eighties, central eighteen eighties. Oh

1114
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that, Yeah, that would have been

1115
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: a bomber. Huh, all right, you trade it up. It

1116
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: sounds like right, right, You have to believe that. I

1117
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: desperately want to believe that. All right, Well, moving on,

1118
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: I never actually watched Big Top pee Wee. We're not

1119
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: going to spend much time there. Arguably better received than

1120
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: this Pee Wee sequel film was this nineteen eighty eight

1121
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: Christmas special. The third season of Pee Wee's Playhouse consisted

1122
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: of just two regular episodes due to a Writer's Guild

1123
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: of America strike, but it also contained the aforemention primetime

1124
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: special that included all Manner of Kitsch Kings and Queens,

1125
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: Frankie Avalon and a net Funaceello of all the sixties

1126
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: beach party movie Charro, the staple of sixties and seventies

1127
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 1: talk shows and Variety TV incredible acoustic guitar player, which

1128
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: has just been out shown by I think the way

1129
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: that she pronounced things, if I recall, I think that

1130
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: was the bit, Yeah, Grace Jones, Katie Lang, Dinah Shore,

1131
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: Little Richard, Share, the del Rubio Triplets, Magic Johnson, Princess Jajah.

1132
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's different from Shahjahgabor. That's a

1133
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: great question. I don't know. I just googled Princess Jaja

1134
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:35,919
Speaker 1: and jo Jagabor is the only thing that came up,

1135
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna assume it's just Joja Gabor, some kind

1136
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: of affectionate, honorific Wooby Goldberg, Oprah Winfrey, Joan Rivers, and

1137
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: the UCLA Men's Choir. It was so well received that

1138
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: pee Wee considered doing a second special for the fourth

1139
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: season of pee Wee's Playhouse called pee Wee's Playhouse goes Hawaiian.

1140
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: Another Playhouse episode idea that was tossed out was a

1141
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: parody of The Patty Duke Show, where pee Wee visits

1142
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: his lookalike country cousin Patti Duke Show. Patty Duke famously

1143
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: played twins. By this point, pee Wee was if the

1144
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: incredible fever dream of a cast for the pee Wee

1145
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: Christ's specials any indication pee Weeve Hermann was starting to

1146
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: suffer from burnout due to the strain of overseeing a

1147
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: feature film, a weekly TV show, a massive, overblown holiday special,

1148
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: a burgeting merchandise empire, all while pretending to be a

1149
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: bizarre manchild during every public moment of his life and

1150
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: rejecting his family publicly. Well, when you put it like that, yeah,

1151
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: his work meant that he really couldn't sleep or have

1152
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: a personal life like me. He was working from the

1153
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: moment he woke up until the moment he fell asleep.

1154
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: One friend said, he didn't have a life. It was

1155
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: the most exhausting thing. It also prevented it from enjoying

1156
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: the fruits of his labors, which is very sad. He

1157
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: told Rolling Stone in twenty fourteen. You might find this

1158
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: hard to believe, but I got virtually no feedback the

1159
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: whole time we were making Pee Wee's Playhouse. In the

1160
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: ensuing years since we stopped making it, I've met hundreds

1161
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: of fans, from little kids to grownups who watched it

1162
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: as kids when the show was originally on. But I

1163
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: was so busy with the making of it that I

1164
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 1: just didn't have much of a life outside of the show.

1165
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: I was very rarely in situations where i'd meet fans.

1166
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: It was just staggering when I finally did start to

1167
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: hear all that stuff because I just didn't have an

1168
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: outside picture of it at all. Uh oh, cool, you're

1169
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: sticking me with all the porn theater stuff. Yeah, I'm

1170
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: just going to riff on that. Okay. There's a common

1171
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: misconception that Pewee's Playhouse was canceled in the wake of

1172
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 1: Reuben's porn theater bust in July nineteen ninety one. But

1173
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: that's not true. The show had been off the air

1174
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 1: for a year by that time. The network had in

1175
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: fact asked him to continue, but according to an interview

1176
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: we gave with ew I just politely said no, it

1177
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 1: was time to take a year off. I had actually

1178
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 1: made a list of things I wanted to do, learn Spanish,

1179
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: learn to play the sacks. I never did any of them.

1180
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: His mother told Sarasota Magazine that he had long become

1181
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: sick of the character of Peewee, which he'd initially intended

1182
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: to be a platform that would lead to other roles

1183
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: and a serious acting career. Don't you think if he

1184
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: was a little silly, as mother said, a grown man

1185
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: dressing up in that suit. And you know understandably he

1186
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: was exhausted by maintaining the Pee Wee facade twenty four

1187
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 1: to seven, fearing that it would not only eclipse his

1188
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: own career but his own existence. Paul controlled every aspect

1189
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: of the show, from its concepts to its writing, to

1190
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: its direction and its production, and he also dreaded all

1191
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: the necessary work that came outside of taping as well.

1192
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: For example, he found meeting terminally ill make a wish

1193
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: children very tough. I mean, he always met their requests,

1194
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: but it understandably troubled them greatly. The Beatles had a

1195
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: similar experience where they, you know, obviously wanted to do

1196
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: what they could for these kids, but they just felt

1197
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: so powerless whenever. You know, it's like what they wanted

1198
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: to meet us, and we'd make them happy for a

1199
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 1: little bit, but then we'd have to leave. And it

1200
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: was like if he wanted to just stay there with

1201
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: them and help them as much as you could, but

1202
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: you could There's nothing you could do. So I mean,

1203
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: that's I know, it sounds heartless for me to say, like,

1204
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I hated meeting the sick kids, but it

1205
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: took a psychic toll on them. The final episode of

1206
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: Pee Wee's Playhouse aired on November seventeenth, nineteen ninety and

1207
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: called Playhouse for Sale. It centers around the residents of

1208
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: the playhouse coping with the frightening site of a for

1209
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: sale sign outside, but eventually they realized that it was

1210
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: from a lemonade stand, and the playhouse itself wasn't going

1211
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: to be sold. The episode ended with pee Wee telling

1212
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: viewers the playhouse will always be here for everyone to

1213
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: play in, forever and ever and ever on that you

1214
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: have my word, and then everyone screamed real loud because

1215
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 1: word was the secret word of the day. That's cute. Yeah,

1216
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: can you give me a pee Wee scream? I feel

1217
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: like I'm just doing the high jump, Like, whoa, that's good.

1218
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 2: It's hard to do it is, Yeah, No, that's like

1219
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 2: it's difficult to get that. No, I'm doing like Tom Waits,

1220
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 2: well he.

1221
01:05:56,560 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 1: Has the two voice. No, that's as close as I'm getting. Yeah,

1222
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: you have to like constrict your throat. I'm doing my

1223
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: I damaged my throat.

1224
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 2: The other night we were doing a lot of Batman

1225
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 2: impressions because Low had Dark Knight on the other day.

1226
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: When I came in, it was a lot of like,

1227
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: what do you want for dinner tonight? Oh? That's good. Yeah.

1228
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 2: The secret is to sound out of breath. I think

1229
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 2: he has to push so much air through his voice

1230
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,439
Speaker 2: to get that friggin' Tom Woyde's voice that he does

1231
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 2: that you like have to do Christian Bale. Batman is

1232
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 2: like constantly being out of breath.

1233
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: Didn't the voice of Batman from the animated series have

1234
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 1: asthma or something?

1235
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 2: Kevin what's his name? Maybe I thought he had more

1236
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 2: of like a sexy gentleman's gravel to him, whereas Christian

1237
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 2: Bales just doing like full on death metal.

1238
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: They We're gonna take a quick break, but we'll be

1239
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 1: right back with more too much information in just a moment.

1240
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 1: Pee Wee took most of nineteen ninety and the first

1241
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: part of nineteen ninety one off to basically have a

1242
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 1: well served vacation as he attempted to figure out what

1243
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 1: to do next. He grew his hair and beard whenever

1244
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: the show is on hiatus, which had the benefit of

1245
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: making him unrecognizable, so he was pretty anonymous, which is

1246
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: surprising considering how famous the character Peewee was. Trips to

1247
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 1: Nantucket and Europe were in the works, as was a

1248
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: visit to his hometown of Sarasota, Florida, and on the

1249
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 1: evening of July twenty sixth, nineteen ninety one, a Friday,

1250
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 1: he bought a ticket at the South Trail Cinema, an

1251
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: ex art house cinema turned adult theater. On that night,

1252
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: it was playing a triple bill of Catalina five, Oh

1253
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: Tiger Shark, Nurse Nancy, and turn up the heat. Somebody's

1254
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: gonna win bar trivia for knowing what movie is being played.

1255
01:07:56,400 --> 01:08:00,080
Speaker 1: When Paul Rubbins was busted. I'm going to take a

1256
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: lot of details from what I'm about to say from

1257
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: EW's fairly exhaustive contemporary expose on Paul Rubbin's arrest, as

1258
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: well as Bob Plunkett's retrospective piece for Sarasota Magazine from

1259
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. So Paul Rubins sat down in the movie theater,

1260
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: and also in the theater that night were four sheriff's

1261
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:20,799
Speaker 1: deputies posed for a sting operation. You need four sheriffs

1262
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:25,759
Speaker 1: steps in lapd man, What did that? Was the helicopster Dirisota, Sarasota, Oh.

1263
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 2: Right, right, right, right, yeah, I guess I mean no,

1264
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 2: still that I've been to Florida, was that the best

1265
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 2: use of your police department's time for deputies at a

1266
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 2: porn theater?

1267
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 1: That point was made. We will get to that in

1268
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 1: the vehement defense of Peewee. That we will get too shortly.

1269
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, these four sheriff's deputies were in there planning

1270
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: to bust anyone who was in there who was a

1271
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 1: little too obvious about doing what people presumably go to

1272
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 1: a porn theater to do. The guy who ran the

1273
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 1: theater I loved this, apparently hated the cops because their

1274
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 1: quote undercover attire of T shirts and cut off jeans

1275
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 1: made them look markedly more scruffy than the rest of

1276
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:09,919
Speaker 1: his client, who he described as quote having a country

1277
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:14,759
Speaker 1: club look South Florida porn theater. But have we catered

1278
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 1: to an upper higher level of clientele. I would love

1279
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 1: to have a porn theater.

1280
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 2: I had a dress corl Yeah yeah, no white teas.

1281
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: The cops hung out in the theater for five and

1282
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 1: a half hours that day. They got paid to sit

1283
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 1: in the movie theater and watch porn. Think about that.

1284
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 1: They arrested four men that day. Do you think they Yeah? No,

1285
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: well I guess why not. It's the same way that

1286
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 1: like cops can speed and run red lights. Yeah, sure,

1287
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: you're going to stop them. Yeah, well they're friends. They

1288
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 1: probably weren't sitting next to each other, that's true. Immediately

1289
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: prior to pee Wee's arrival, they popped the brother of

1290
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say popped. They busted the brother of one

1291
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 1: of the city's most bah oh man. They arrested, there

1292
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: we go, that's the word. They arrested, the brother of

1293
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 1: one of the city's most prominent businessmen. The arrest report

1294
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 1: for Paul Rubins is grossly specific, detailing how often he did,

1295
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 1: what and when. As he was leaving the theater, he

1296
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 1: was stopped in the lobby by two officers who identified

1297
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 1: themselves and told them he was being placed under arrest.

1298
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 1: Then they escorted him out to the parking lot, where,

1299
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 1: according to the police report, he told them, this is embarrassing.

1300
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 1: Can I show you some id? He retrieved his wallet

1301
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: and showed them his license, but the whole alter ego

1302
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: thing came back to bite him in the ass since

1303
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: the cops didn't recognize his real name. Finally, he just

1304
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 1: came out and said, I'm pee wee Herman, which is

1305
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 1: one of the funniest things a person can do after

1306
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: being arrested from masturbating in Pumplins. Yeah, I'm pee wee herm.

1307
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 1: According to deputies, he suggested that maybe he could do

1308
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: a charity benefit for the Sheriff's office. The arresting off

1309
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 1: officers didn't reject the offer, but they told him he

1310
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 1: had to go be arrested anyway. Rubens then reportedly defended

1311
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: himself by saying that he knew you weren't allowed to

1312
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: fool around with other people in a theater, but he

1313
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 1: thought it was okay if you were quote by yourself

1314
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 1: that tracks. He then asked, how can I handle this

1315
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 1: with the least amount of publicity? The cops presumably didn't

1316
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 1: know or didn't care one or the other. He was

1317
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: fingerprinted and photographed in charge with violating Florida State Stature

1318
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 1: eight zero zero dot zero three exposure of sexual organs.

1319
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 1: The bail was two hundred and nineteen dollars and he

1320
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: was forty dollars short, and in a Shakespearean twist, one

1321
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 1: of the officers at the station was a high school

1322
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: friend of his sister, and she ponied up the rest

1323
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 1: of the bail, for which she was suspended for one

1324
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:55,839
Speaker 1: day because apparently cops can't help pay bail for anyone

1325
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 1: other than immediate family. Did you know that? No, that's

1326
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 1: probably good. So immediately after posting bail, he first flew

1327
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: to Nashville to stay with his aforementioned sister, who was

1328
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 1: an attorney, and then he called his old friend, the

1329
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 1: billionaire heiress Doris Duke, and asked to hide out in

1330
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 1: her New Jersey estate. I know that if I got

1331
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 1: arrested for something, I'd probably want a billionaire on my side,

1332
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's probably a good move. So he went

1333
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 1: to her New Jersey estate, and he said, the first

1334
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 1: day I woke up there, the staff had done what

1335
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: they do for any guests, which has put out all

1336
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 1: the daily publications. Unfortunately, on this day they were filled

1337
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 1: with his mug shot and headlines like the New York

1338
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 1: Post's famous Oh Peewe with his really quite scary mugshot

1339
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 1: with the long, straggly hair and the creepy goatee beard. Yeah,

1340
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 1: that mugshot is really the worst. Yeah, I know. For

1341
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: those of you unfamiliar with how this stuff works, a

1342
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 1: kid show host charged with exposing himself in a porn

1343
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:57,480
Speaker 1: theater guarded some attention. The fallout was swift and immediate.

1344
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 1: CBS stopped airing Peewe's play House reruns in the aftermath

1345
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: of his arrest. Disney's MGM Studios in Florida stopped playing

1346
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 1: a tape in its studio tour in which pee Wee

1347
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 1: Herman explains how voiceover tracks are made, and on July thirtieth,

1348
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:14,719
Speaker 1: four days after the arrest, it was reported that Toys

1349
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 1: r Us was removing Peewee toys from its stores. The

1350
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 1: spokesperson took the time to twist the knife by adding

1351
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 1: that the pee wee fad had peaked a few years earlier,

1352
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:27,639
Speaker 1: adding in an all time quote for the ages, It's

1353
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 1: not like something happened with Cabbage Patch. Then we'd have

1354
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 1: a problem similar to what happened when Fred Rogers died.

1355
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 1: Psychologists spoke to news outlets about the best way to

1356
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 1: discuss this news with children. Montreal child psychologist Jeffrey Dervineski

1357
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: said children should be told that quote, pee Wee is

1358
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 1: an adult, and while he can play children's parts on television,

1359
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 1: he's interested in some adult things. He's interested in other

1360
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: parts in real life. Yeah, I show us on the

1361
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 1: pee wee doll. Was the name of the movie again,

1362
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 1: Tiger Tiger's Parts? No, the porn movie? Oh? Uh there

1363
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:07,599
Speaker 1: it was a triple bill. I don't I'm not actually

1364
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 1: sure which movie was playing. Uh, Catalina five, Oh, Tiger Shark,

1365
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 1: Nurse Nancy and turn up the heat. Oh, Nurse Nancy's

1366
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 1: Parts that is the name of the Oh it's sorry,

1367
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 1: it's Catalina five. Oh colon tiger Shark. When I say colon,

1368
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 1: I mean oh, what a rich text?

1369
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:35,640
Speaker 2: Didn't Fred Willard also get yeah yeah, and then he

1370
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:39,639
Speaker 2: died went out on top. There was a massive outpouring

1371
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 2: of support for Rubens. Pro Peewee rallies were held in

1372
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 2: New York, LA and San Francisco, featuring signs with slogans

1373
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:50,599
Speaker 2: like hands off our Peewee, I could have gone back

1374
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 2: to the writer's room.

1375
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: No, it's it's kind of what exactly what he needed

1376
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 1: to be, that's true.

1377
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 2: In addition to showing support for Rubens, the main gist

1378
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,440
Speaker 2: of the marches was to protest c for canceling the reruns.

1379
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 2: One of the organizers summed it up to Entertainment Weekly, Look,

1380
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 2: pe Wee, herman made CBS millions of dollars over the

1381
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 2: past few years. Now he stands accused of something and

1382
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 2: they were ready to sell him down the river.

1383
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 1: It's up the river, but sure.

1384
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 2: In one of one of your favorite incidences, the words

1385
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:21,639
Speaker 2: we Heart you Peewee were spray painted in hot pink

1386
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 2: letters on the exterior of the offending porn theater the

1387
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:27,759
Speaker 2: South Trail Cinema. The New York Times published a support

1388
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 2: of editorial, and a special Entertainment Weekly poll revealed that

1389
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 2: an overwhelmingly high percentage of people felt that the actor

1390
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 2: had been mistreated by both the law and the media.

1391
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,679
Speaker 2: Spokesman for the syndicated TV program A Current Affair said

1392
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 2: the show had received tens of thousands of responses to

1393
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 2: a Peewee telephone survey on July thirty first, and that

1394
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 2: the callers supported Rubens nine to one, with messages like

1395
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 2: we have suns his age and these things happen. True.

1396
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 2: Celebrities voice their support publicly as well. One of these,

1397
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 2: unfortunately at this stage in history, was Bill Cosby. He

1398
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 2: issued a public statement of support that read, in part, whatever,

1399
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 2: oh boy, whatever Rubens has done, this is being blown

1400
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:11,759
Speaker 2: all out of proportion.

1401
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:14,600
Speaker 1: Just color.

1402
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 2: In less scummy celebrities. Annette Funicello, my beloved voister, support

1403
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 2: for Rubens, as did Cindy Lauper, who slammed the charge

1404
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:27,640
Speaker 2: as a victimless occurrence.

1405
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 1: True. E. G.

1406
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 2: Daily, his love interest in Pee's Big Adventure, told Entertainment Weekly,

1407
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:35,759
Speaker 2: this could be a blessing in disguise for him. Maybe

1408
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 2: it will make people see him as a normal sexual

1409
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:38,639
Speaker 2: human being.

1410
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm reading that in Tommy Pickle's voice, because she's progress.

1411
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 2: In addition, many also wondered why the Sarasota Police Department

1412
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 2: was spending so much time in an adult theater anyway.

1413
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 2: Sheriff Jeff mong claimed that the South Trail Cinema was

1414
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 2: targeted only once every three or four months, but theater

1415
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 2: employees claimed this was more like twice a month, and

1416
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 2: that the police, in groups of three to six, would

1417
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 2: spend up to six hours at a stretch in the theater.

1418
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 2: In fact, they claimed sometimes they would sit in the

1419
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 2: theater while it was completely empty for up to an

1420
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 2: hour waiting for people. Surprisingly, Rubens even had the support

1421
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:19,679
Speaker 2: of the members of the local law enforcement community. Captain

1422
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:23,600
Speaker 2: Terry Lewis of the Sarasota Sheriff's Department Tody w I

1423
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 2: sure hope things work out for old Peewee. Now, if

1424
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 2: you excuse me, it's time for my shift at the

1425
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 2: empty port in theater. I'm getting paid overtime for this.

1426
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 1: Time and a half for working after after six.

1427
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 2: God Rubens maintained his innocence but pleaded no contest to

1428
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 2: a charge of indecent exposure in exchange for seventy five

1429
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 2: hours of community service, a fifty dollars fine, and eighty

1430
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 2: five dollars and seventy five cents in court costs. He

1431
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 2: spent a month or so wondering the pastoral grounds of

1432
01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 2: Doris Duke's estate like a scrawning Charles Foster Caine turn way.

1433
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 2: Most visitors, save for his lawyers and Cindy Lauper oh

1434
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:07,679
Speaker 2: beat Skill Cosby. He tried to laugh off the arrest

1435
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:09,640
Speaker 2: publicly two months after the fact, when he appeared at

1436
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 2: the MTV Video Music Awards in his pee we get

1437
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 2: up and asked the audience heard any good jokes lately?

1438
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 1: That was masterful, that was cool, good bit. The response

1439
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: was an epic standing ovation.

1440
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 2: But despite this, Rubens did not get over the trauma

1441
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 2: that easily. He was heartbroken that his life's work was

1442
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 2: at risk, telling Paper Magazine, it was really sad to

1443
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 2: me that there was any kind of tarnish on pee

1444
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 2: wee Herman. Me put whatever tarnish you want on me.

1445
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 2: But headlines all over the world were like, pee wee

1446
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:42,879
Speaker 2: Herman arrested. Pe wee Herman wasn't arrested. I was arrested.

1447
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 2: He elaborated a vanity fair that even one parent would say, well,

1448
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 2: I'm not going to let my kid watch that show anymore.

1449
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,680
Speaker 2: Was really painful because I just took it so seriously

1450
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 2: the show. I took my responsibility to kids really seriously.

1451
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 2: He was especially aggrieved when People magazine made him one

1452
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 2: of the twenty five most Intriguing People of the year

1453
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 2: in the wake of the arrest. I thought, God, the

1454
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 2: amount of time and energy and work that I put

1455
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 2: into entertaining kids, fighting the good fight, and I've become

1456
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:13,679
Speaker 2: an intriguing person for this. He more or less stepped

1457
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 2: back from public life for a number of years. He

1458
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 2: performed as Peewee at a nineteen ninety two tribute to

1459
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 2: Minnie Pearl at the Grand Ole Opry, but other than that,

1460
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 2: he abandoned the character for the better part of a decade.

1461
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:26,560
Speaker 2: MTV made an offer to revive the show, but he

1462
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 2: shut it down, saying I didn't feel like it was

1463
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 2: the right time, certainly not right after, and there wasn't

1464
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:34,679
Speaker 2: any real money in it. I had worked so hard.

1465
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:36,559
Speaker 2: I didn't want to put it back on TV just

1466
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 2: for the sake of putting it on TV. Rubens became

1467
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 2: something of a recluse, refusing to attend premieres with friends

1468
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 2: for fear of having to field questions from the press

1469
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,719
Speaker 2: about his arrest, and he would later regret this approach,

1470
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 2: telling The New York Times, it was stupid not to

1471
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 2: do anything.

1472
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 1: I never spoke out. I just went and hid.

1473
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 2: If I had to do it all over again, I

1474
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 2: would figure out a way to get out there, talk

1475
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 2: about it, take control of it.

1476
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 1: But then, slowly but surely, he started to reemerge. Around

1477
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 1: this time, he was linked to the actress Debbie Maser,

1478
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 1: who Ruben cited as helping him overcome his depression. It's

1479
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 1: unclear if they were friends or more than friends. Maser,

1480
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 1: for her part, has claimed that their relationship was not consummated,

1481
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 1: so your mileage may ferry. Rubens had cameos in the

1482
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two films Batman Returns and voiceover work in

1483
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 1: A Nightmare Before Christmas, both directed by his friend Tim Burton,

1484
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 1: and Buffy the Vampire Slayer, as well as bit parts

1485
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 1: in Dunstan checks In and Buddy, both of which are

1486
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 1: movies about primates. In nineteen ninety five, he took a

1487
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 1: recurring role on Murphy Brown as the annoying toady nephew

1488
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 1: of the fictional station owner, which I remember this very well.

1489
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 1: This was the moment when you're a kid when you

1490
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: learn that actors play multiple roles, you know what I mean.

1491
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 1: I remember seeing him Murphy Brown be like, wait, that's peewee.

1492
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 1: What you watched Murphy Brown as a child. My parents did,

1493
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:00,760
Speaker 1: and then I wandered in and would see him. He

1494
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 1: was also the host of the short lived ABC game

1495
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 1: show You Don't Know Jack, based on the video game

1496
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 1: series of the same name, but it was canceled after

1497
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:11,640
Speaker 1: only six episodes due to low ratings. He tried to

1498
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 1: make a TV pilot for NBC called Meet the Muckles,

1499
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 1: which was about a family of performers, with himself in

1500
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 1: the patriarch and host of the show within a show.

1501
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 1: It was going to be kind of like I think

1502
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 1: it was the movie You Can't Take It with You.

1503
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:27,640
Speaker 1: I think it was based on that, but it was

1504
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 1: like a all I can think of is the Aristocrats family.

1505
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 1: I don't think it was like that, but it was, yeah,

1506
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 1: a family of like circus performers, I believe. But his

1507
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:41,679
Speaker 1: perfectionist streak took over as he demanded complicated production numbers

1508
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 1: and a very elaborate set that included building an ornate

1509
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 1: Victorian home above the NBC studios. I don't fully understand

1510
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 1: that after three years and two production companies, it was

1511
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 1: deemed too expensive and set adrift in development. Hell In definitely,

1512
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,679
Speaker 1: But he did get cast in your beloved nineteen ninety

1513
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 1: nine's Mystery Men as Spleen.

1514
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 2: I think was the character the Spleen because he had

1515
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,520
Speaker 2: targeted incredibly powerful farts.

1516
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, flatulence man, yes, as Vanity Fair wrote, Please

1517
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 1: read this. This is a beautiful description. You love this movie,

1518
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 1: so I want you to.

1519
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 2: I really do love mister Man. I think it's a

1520
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 2: great movie and was curiously Mitchell in it too. Yeah,

1521
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 2: curiously ahead of its time in kind of spoofing superhero stuff.

1522
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but this description of Paul Rubin's character in

1523
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 1: Vanity Fair is beautiful. Please share it with us.

1524
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:43,200
Speaker 2: On screen, it's clear he was enjoying himself, playing the

1525
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 2: film's most outrey character and staging some of the more

1526
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 2: elaborate fart jokes in movie history with an obvious gusto.

1527
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 2: It would have been great if Variety had done it

1528
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 2: and called it buffo.

1529
01:22:55,960 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Paul Rubins would also turn into critically praise performance

1530
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 1: in two thousand and one's Blow, which is probably his

1531
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: most famous non pee wee role, when after he died.

1532
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 1: That was kind of the thing that I saw making

1533
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 1: the rounds the cops are gone by. Maybe I'll punch

1534
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 1: that sound in for the horn bust description. The only

1535
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 1: other thing I could think of was his role as

1536
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 1: the Royal Austrian Prince whose name I can ever pronounce

1537
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 1: like Gernhardt, measurement, Ramsteime von happ my notes tell me yes.

1538
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 2: An incredible performance, like really from yeah, one of the best.

1539
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 1: So just as he was starting to get his career

1540
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 1: on track in the early two thousands, there was another bust.

1541
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 1: This one I completely missed when it happened. I didn't

1542
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,879
Speaker 1: know about this until researching him. It occurred in November

1543
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 1: two thousand and two when Rubens was filming the music

1544
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,879
Speaker 1: video for Elton John's This Train Don't Stop There Anymore,

1545
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 1: which is a great video. It's the one it's like

1546
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 1: done in one shot and Timberlake eerily transforms into Elton John.

1547
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, like the weird hair plug stuff helped,

1548
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 1: but like he's very good. And then Paul Rubbins, this

1549
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 1: is like a great song tearing. Yeah, that is a

1550
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 1: great song. That was like the last great Elton John

1551
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 1: album songs from the West Coast, I think what's called Yeah.

1552
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 1: But while he was on the set filming this video,

1553
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 1: Paul learned that the police were at his home with

1554
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 1: a search warrant investigating what's been described as his private

1555
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 1: erotica collection. This is where his kitch collections really that

1556
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 1: interest didn't pay off. As a guy who collects kitchy things,

1557
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:41,719
Speaker 1: I can say I know I have a good sense

1558
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:43,680
Speaker 1: of what might help you out down the road for

1559
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 1: an investment purposes and what might cause legal issues. This. Yeah,

1560
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 1: this is not a good This is not a good one. Uh.

1561
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,719
Speaker 1: This is where it gets a little fuzzy. Paul Rubins

1562
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 1: was a self described collector of kitchi vintage erotica, which

1563
01:24:55,920 --> 01:25:00,160
Speaker 1: were like old muscle magazines and vintage homosexual material.

1564
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 2: And the City's attorney office claimed to homosexual material I

1565
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 2: could watch that band.

1566
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:10,759
Speaker 1: That was my Wikipedia phrazed it. The City Attorney's office

1567
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 1: claimed that he had over seventy thousand items of kitch memorabilia,

1568
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:20,320
Speaker 1: putting my collection to shame. Two grainy videotapes and dozens

1569
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 1: of photographs that they characterized as quote child pornography. I'd

1570
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 1: like to clarify I don't have seventy thousand items of

1571
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:30,680
Speaker 1: child pornography. I should have placed that better. Not with

1572
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:35,480
Speaker 1: that attitude. You don't. This is somehow like the shaggiest

1573
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 1: episode we've ever done. Sure is yep? Kelly Bush, Ruben's

1574
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 1: personal representative at the time, denied this assertion that he

1575
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 1: had child pornography and stated that the objects in question

1576
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 1: were Rob Lowe's sex videotape and a few thirty to

1577
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 1: one hundred year old Kitch collectible images. Rubens turned himself

1578
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:58,919
Speaker 1: into the Hollywood Division of the Los Angeles Police Department

1579
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 1: and was charged with misdemeanor possession of obscene material improperly

1580
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 1: depicting a child under the age of eighteen in sexual conduct.

1581
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 1: The explanation that seemed to satisfy everyone at the time

1582
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 1: was that Paul Rubins was a collector who bought vintage

1583
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:17,439
Speaker 1: porn in bulk, and one of his vintage magazine dealers

1584
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 1: declared there was quote no way he could have known

1585
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 1: the content of each page of the publications that he bought. Furthermore,

1586
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:28,839
Speaker 1: he recalled Rubens asking for quote physique magazines and vintage

1587
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 1: sixties material, but nothing featuring kids. In March two thousand

1588
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 1: and four, child pornography charges were dropped in exchange for

1589
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 1: rubens guilty plea to a lesser misdemeanor obscenity charge, and

1590
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 1: for the next three years he was required to register

1591
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 1: his address with the Sheriff's office and he could not

1592
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 1: be in a company of minors without the permission of

1593
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:52,599
Speaker 1: their parent or legal guardian. So that's troubling. That must

1594
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 1: have been a real blow to him. Oh yeah, Weirdly,

1595
01:26:57,160 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 1: not many people know this. A pre fame Paul Paul

1596
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 1: Rubins was also arrested during Christmas nineteen eighty three at

1597
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 1: an adult bookstore in Florida. Details of this bust are unknown,

1598
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 1: but his name and address were printed in the paper

1599
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 1: at the time. But Paul Rubins eventually found his way

1600
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 1: back to pee Wee in two thousand and seven, maybe

1601
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 1: not coincidentally, the year that he no longer had to

1602
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 1: register as a sex offender and was allowed to be

1603
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,839
Speaker 1: in the company of minors again. He appeared in character

1604
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 1: for the first time in fifteen years at Check's Notes.

1605
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 1: Spike TV's Guy's Choice Awards for some reason. Yeah, in

1606
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 1: his latter years he trotted out the pee Wee character rarely,

1607
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:44,520
Speaker 1: but when he did he was usually at hyper masculine

1608
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 1: events like WrestleMania. I don't really understand that, but that's interesting.

1609
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 1: He spent much of the early two thousands working on

1610
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 1: a pair of pee Wee movies that unfortunately would never

1611
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 1: see the light of day. One was meant for kids

1612
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 1: and one that was a little more adult. The latter

1613
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 1: was a black comedy to be called The pee Wee

1614
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 1: Herman Story, which depicted the rise and fall of pee Wee.

1615
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:07,600
Speaker 1: Talking to MTV dot Com, he said, it's basically the

1616
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:10,680
Speaker 1: story of Peewee Herman becoming a famous singer. He has

1617
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 1: a hit single and gets brought out to Hollywood to

1618
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 1: make musical movies, kind of like they did with Elvis.

1619
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:17,559
Speaker 1: It all kind of goes downhill from there for pee Wee.

1620
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:20,720
Speaker 1: He turns into a monster. He does everything wrong, It

1621
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:23,320
Speaker 1: becomes a big jerk. He would go on to say

1622
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:26,639
Speaker 1: that it was heavily inspired by my beloved Camp classic

1623
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 1: Valley of the Dolls, with some scenes directly lifted from

1624
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:34,080
Speaker 1: that film wholesale, which is funny. The family friendly movie

1625
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 1: was to be called pee Wee's Playhouse. The movie and

1626
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 1: followed pee Weee and his playhouse friends leaving the house

1627
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,639
Speaker 1: for the first time to explore the world of puppet Land.

1628
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:43,759
Speaker 1: And he would say that this movie was a blend

1629
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 1: of hr Puff and Stuff and The Wonderful Wizard of Oz.

1630
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 1: In interviews, he claimed to have approached Peewee's Big Adventure

1631
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:53,360
Speaker 1: director Tim Burton with one of the scripts and talked

1632
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:56,160
Speaker 1: to Johnny Depp about the possibility of having him portray

1633
01:28:56,280 --> 01:29:00,360
Speaker 1: pee Wee. I'm guessing that's the adult one, but Burton

1634
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 1: was too busy and Johnny Depp gave it the old

1635
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:05,640
Speaker 1: let me think about it, and none of those projects

1636
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:09,720
Speaker 1: ever happened. In twenty ten, Rubens announced the return to

1637
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 1: the stage with a relaunch of The Pee Wee Herman Show,

1638
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:14,559
Speaker 1: which was the original vehicle that brought them prominence thirty

1639
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,840
Speaker 1: years earlier. He intended the show to act as a

1640
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:20,440
Speaker 1: way to quote introduce pee Weee to a new generation

1641
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 1: that didn't know about him, and also lay the groundwork

1642
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:26,679
Speaker 1: for a feature film. This theatrical production made a brief

1643
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:29,680
Speaker 1: run on Broadwayiams taped for an HBO special just like

1644
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:32,720
Speaker 1: his original one back in nineteen eighty one, and to

1645
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 1: promote the Broadway show Pee Wee guest starred at the

1646
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 1: WWE raw at the Nassau Coliseum, participating in backstage antics

1647
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:45,639
Speaker 1: and even having an in ring confrontation with The Miz

1648
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:48,559
Speaker 1: and Alex Riley. None of those names mean anything to me.

1649
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 1: They mean anything to you wrestlers. I think the mises

1650
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:55,839
Speaker 1: a wrestler. Oh yeah, but I meant like, oh.

1651
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 2: Like good wrestlers or like iconic wrestlers. No, I have

1652
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 2: no idea, Okay, good.

1653
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:03,840
Speaker 1: Then he returned to WWE at WrestleMania seven in a

1654
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 1: segment with The Rock and Gene Underland.

1655
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:12,600
Speaker 2: Gene Okerland, Mean Gene, Come on, get your together, the

1656
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 2: Rock and Mean Gene. That's my era of wrestling that

1657
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:21,720
Speaker 2: I like, is like the late nineties attitude erat Attitude. No,

1658
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 2: it's literally what it's called the Attitude era. Why because

1659
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:30,839
Speaker 2: they sort of pivoted from like the you know, Heigel.

1660
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:36,639
Speaker 2: They sort of pivoted from the Hulk Hogan like sting,

1661
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:41,320
Speaker 2: brightly colored Ultimate Warrior like dayglo neon stuff, to becoming

1662
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:45,680
Speaker 2: like Edgy. That's when you get like the Undertaker, like

1663
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 2: burying people alive and like crucifying Vince McMahon and mankind

1664
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 2: like Mick Foley. That's when I mean, that's the era

1665
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 2: that Stone Cold came up in, you know, throwing the

1666
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 2: throwing the bird and drinking beers. Yeah, it's literally called

1667
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:05,679
Speaker 2: the attitude era. I am not making that up.

1668
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 1: That's very funny. During this episode with the Rock and

1669
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 1: Me and Jane, pee Wee admitted to being John Cena's

1670
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:18,120
Speaker 1: number one fan. Oh yeah, that same year. What year

1671
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:20,559
Speaker 1: was that, Let's just say twenty ten. I think it was, Yes,

1672
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 1: it was. Rubens appeared as pee Weee in a Funnier

1673
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:25,840
Speaker 1: Die sketch it was actually pretty good, in which he

1674
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 1: brings a new iPad home to the playhouse. This is

1675
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 1: just after they've been released, and all the characters just

1676
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:34,599
Speaker 1: talk about what a piece of garbage it is. Conky

1677
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 1: points out its flaws by saying that it looks like

1678
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 1: a giant iPhone, and then in the ends, Pee Wee

1679
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 1: uses the iPad as a serving tray a hold glasses

1680
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 1: of milk and lemonade throwback at a party at the playhouse.

1681
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 1: So check that out. That's pretty funny. No, okay, the

1682
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:56,280
Speaker 1: year twenty ten was really a banner year for pee

1683
01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 1: Wee fans, because that same year, it was announced that

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Speaker 1: Paul Rubins was developing a new pee Wee movie produced

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Speaker 1: by real life friend of the Pod Judd Apatow. Judd

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Speaker 1: Apatow tweeted our Freaking Geeks episode out and it did

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Speaker 1: nothing for us. I know, I know, I know this

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Speaker 1: movie would see the light of day in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: as the Netflix released pee Wee's Big Holiday, which I

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Speaker 1: completely missed. I don't remember this at all, despite the

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Speaker 1: fact that it was the first pee Wee movie in

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Speaker 1: twenty eight years. I got nothing for you. Netflix summarized

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01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,719
Speaker 1: the plot thus a chance encounter with a mysterious stranger

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Speaker 1: played by Joe Mangel Joe Mamma, jujem, I can't say it,

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Speaker 1: Joe Manjanello.

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Speaker 2: He's the big beefcake guy from Uh.

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Speaker 1: He's married to Sophia Vargarar was, Yeah it is on.

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Speaker 1: He's in Magic and True Blood. Yeah, oh yeah that guy. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He's the mysterious stranger in this new pee Wee movie.

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Speaker 1: And this mysterious stranger points pee Wee towards his death Stinny,

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Speaker 1: according to the Netflix summary, and his first ever holiday

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Speaker 1: Rubens told Mental Flaws shortly after the movie was announced,

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Speaker 1: it's a road picture. I've never heard anyone after nineteen

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Speaker 1: fifty refer to their movies as a picture. It's a

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01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 1: road picture, and it's an adventure story. It's similar in

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Speaker 1: tone and structured to Peewe's Big Adventure. And that it's

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Speaker 1: a road picture. I'm trying to get somewhere. I live

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Speaker 1: in a real little small town and I don't get

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Speaker 1: much excitement. I guess a chance meeting with Joe Manchinello

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Speaker 1: will do that. When asked if he was nervous at

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Speaker 1: reprising his role, the then sixty four year old Paul

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Speaker 1: Rubens told Mental Flaws not really, not since I found

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Speaker 1: out about digital retouching. The time scene's right. As I've

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Speaker 1: watched all these things from the eighties come back, I thought, Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's Pee Wee's term. It is, Yeah, it was. I

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Speaker 1: don't really want to end this three hour deep dive

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Speaker 1: into one of the most unique characters in pop culture

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Speaker 1: history with a Netflix movie, but in a way it's

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Speaker 1: perfectly appropriate because we're all beholden to Netflix and the streamers.

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Speaker 1: Did we talk about this early in this episode? I

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Speaker 1: think we did. That was the last time that Paul

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Speaker 1: Rubins played the character of pee Wee Herman before his

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Speaker 1: death earlier this year. But let's give the final word

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Speaker 1: to a top of his game. Paul Rubens talking to

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Speaker 1: Rolling Stone in nineteen eighty seven, when discussing his life's work,

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Speaker 1: he said, I'm just trying to illustrate that it's okay

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Speaker 1: to be different, not that it's good, not that it's bad,

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Speaker 1: but that it's all right. I'm trying to tell kids

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Speaker 1: to have a good time and to encourage them to

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Speaker 1: be creative and question things. This sounds so preachy, but

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Speaker 1: I think it's real important to be able to share,

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Speaker 1: to be a good person. That's what my work is

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Speaker 1: about heart, before adding I'm like starting to gag at

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Speaker 1: myself hearing this go on. You can do it? Is

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Speaker 1: it the laugh? You want? The laugh?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: I it was. That was good. I need to give

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Speaker 1: me something to say, because there's two There's that, there's

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01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 1: that yeah, and then there's the like the kind of

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01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:08,559
Speaker 1: like you have to you have to make your throat

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01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:10,880
Speaker 1: real small for the laugh, and then you need to

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Speaker 1: make your mouth real small for the like, Yeah, can

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Speaker 1: you can you say for a million dollars. Oh that's

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Speaker 1: really good. Can you do jet fuel can't melt steel beams?

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Speaker 1: Jet fuel can't melt steel beams. Jambie, I can't.

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Speaker 2: Believe after you prompting me for such a myriad of impression.

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Speaker 2: Wee wee Herman, we got the one. We got to

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Speaker 2: use pee wee Herman. Incredible stuff that was. That's I've

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Speaker 2: never done it before. Oh man, but we'll see if

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Speaker 2: i'll keep that.

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Speaker 1: Well. Well, folks, this has been too much information. I

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01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:47,559
Speaker 1: know you usually say that, but it's a it's a

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01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 1: topsy it's a topsy tip.

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Speaker 2: And now I lost it that you're like this is

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01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:55,880
Speaker 2: just gonna haunt you, like be fine, like being able

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Speaker 2: to really die.

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Speaker 1: I know I can do it, Like I'm just trying

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Speaker 1: to figure out, like how to make my mouth to

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Speaker 1: do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just going to fade out on you trying

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Speaker 2: to keep doing all these Well, folks, this has been

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Speaker 2: too much information. I'm Alex Heigel and you're not. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know, stay out of Sarasota theaters, man.

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Speaker 1: Or please bring a paper and I'm Jordan run tag

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Speaker 1: We'll catch you next time. Too much information was a

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: The show's executive producers are Noel Brown and Jordan Runtalk.

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Speaker 1: The show's supervising producer is Michael Alder. June.

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Speaker 2: The show was researched, written, and hosted by Jordan run

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Speaker 2: Talk and Alex Heigel.

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Speaker 1: With original music by Seth Applebaum and the Ghost Funk Orchestra.

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