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Speaker 1: still all snuggled on your couch post Thanksgiving. I know
Speaker 1: that's what we all are kind of doing that thing.
Speaker 1: All these are considered pretty snuggling. My name is Rachel Vanda,
Speaker 1: Greg Russell, Alli, Cynthia f Lynn, and Birthday. But we're
Speaker 1: gonna celebrate you today and later on in the show,
Speaker 1: but first we have to do something else. Look, this
Speaker 1: week is all about family, and I think I think
Speaker 1: of the four of us as family. Okay, a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit angry at each other, sometimes
Speaker 1: a little bit yelly. We get there, but on behalf
Speaker 1: of all of us, we do. Oh, Greg, an apology. Greg.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest. It has been hard to watch
Speaker 1: these last three weeks. I'm talking about both the Raiders
Speaker 1: and you taking the cheese every single week. Enough is enough,
Speaker 1: give me a break. I'm not giving up on the Raiders.
Speaker 1: I'm sticking with them this week. I mean they're way
Speaker 1: in the Broncos speak to Jacob's car floats up and
Speaker 1: I'm just open walked off touchdown. I'll sweep of the Pods,
Speaker 1: Hold on Vegas, this group. You should believe in yourself.
Speaker 1: Long season. It's November, it's Thanksgiving week. We gotta we
Speaker 1: made a mistake, Greg as yours. What do you want
Speaker 1: to say? I mean, yeah, if you can associate me
Speaker 1: with anyone, it's the three and seven Raiders. We stuck
Speaker 1: with it. You know, I've learned on the show and
Speaker 1: in life, like you need to celebrate your victories. You
Speaker 1: gotta let people know when you're ahead. So let's let's
Speaker 1: see that board too, because I had a great week.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just all about the Raiders. Put that crown
Speaker 1: on me. Put it on. It is like the first time.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna enjoy it and then I'm gonna start
Speaker 1: losing again. This week. Well done, Cynthia and I are
Speaker 1: to this week and Patrick is probably still on the
Speaker 1: tippity top. No, it was a bad week, but you
Speaker 1: know what, like Greg said, we celebrate the previous. I think, like,
Speaker 1: what's the total? I think I've caught up. I think
Speaker 1: you're you might be overall and oh we shall see. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's get to some of these games. Playoff rematch on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Last year's Divisional and a j Brown touchdown tied to
Speaker 1: game heading into the fourth quarter. The Titans got the
Speaker 1: ball back late with a chance to take the lead,
Speaker 1: but a Ryan Tannell later ze yet the Bengals to
Speaker 1: kick a game winning field goal. Bengals won nineteen to sixteen. Okay,
Speaker 1: so not quite the same sex in Week twelve, obviously,
Speaker 1: but Greg two Bengals are. The Bengals are two and
Speaker 1: a half point favorites on the road. Who do you
Speaker 1: like in this one? I struggled with it, and then
Speaker 1: I thought the Titans are underdogs at home. With the
Speaker 1: way they're playing, all the disrespect needs to stop. I'm
Speaker 1: taken the Titans to win this game by a field goal,
Speaker 1: and it's partly because Ryan Tannehill finally has some weapons
Speaker 1: around him to throw to. Trail On Burke's came off
Speaker 1: injured reserve last week and made a couple of deep
Speaker 1: plays against the Packers that really opens up their offense.
Speaker 1: I think he looks more ready than he was early
Speaker 1: in the season. Robert Woods, Bobby Trees also with a
Speaker 1: little extra juice. Some of these receivers that tore the
Speaker 1: RACL last year, they've taken a little while to get going.
Speaker 1: But you can see more explosion. And when you protect
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill and Derrick Henry running as well as he
Speaker 1: does helps protect Ryan Tannehille, then he can still spin it.
Speaker 1: And like, when's the lack of respect for the Titans
Speaker 1: ever gonna stop this season? How many more games do
Speaker 1: they have to win? Cynthia, I feel like they feed
Speaker 1: off of that. They probably still want to be disrespected. Cynthia, Well,
Speaker 1: I have them winning too, so I have kind of
Speaker 1: the same exact argument I have three. I also think
Speaker 1: the missing pieces for the Bengals do matter. Of course,
Speaker 1: I like some my g P Ryan, but no Joe
Speaker 1: Mixon and probably no Jamaar Chase. That's a problem for
Speaker 1: them as l But I really want to talk about
Speaker 1: trail On Burke's in his return because you're talked about it.
Speaker 1: It spreads the field. And remember the Bengals are without
Speaker 1: Chitnubey Woozier, which is a big loss in that secondary.
Speaker 1: They're also see some other pieces as well. So when
Speaker 1: you have that combined with the fact that oh, I
Speaker 1: don't know when there's pressure and Joe Burrow and there's
Speaker 1: not enough, that's just a mess. So when I look
Speaker 1: to see what's going on with this trail on Burks
Speaker 1: adding that vertical threat. That vertical element creates an opportunity
Speaker 1: for Derrick Henry to have even more space to run.
Speaker 1: Those two things combined, to me, means this is kind
Speaker 1: of a team that I don't know. You're right, they're
Speaker 1: not getting a ton of this as much respect getting
Speaker 1: better every week, Well yeah, but they're just not getting there.
Speaker 1: They're maybe getting better every week, but they're not getting
Speaker 1: respect every week. See the line this week, Respect or
Speaker 1: disrespect comes from the birthday boy. And I think that
Speaker 1: the sad thing is the Titans won't be able to
Speaker 1: use this show as an example of national media not
Speaker 1: respecting them. I've got them winning as well by a
Speaker 1: field goal twenty six because I'm looking back at the
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals defense. In the past three weeks, both Naji
Speaker 1: Harris and Nick Chubb have gone over a hundred yards
Speaker 1: from scrimmage against this Bengals defense. Cynthia mentioned that Joe
Speaker 1: Louisier is out and they're giving up a whole lot
Speaker 1: of yards, especially on the ground. Both of those guys
Speaker 1: had two rushing touchdowns and now they're playing against Derrick
Speaker 1: Henry the last time these two teams played, Derrick Henry
Speaker 1: was coming off of the injury played in the playoff game,
Speaker 1: the game where Jeffrey Simmons was basically in the backfield
Speaker 1: the entire game. I think the Titans win this one
Speaker 1: field goal may not be enough. And I'm with you, Greg,
Speaker 1: I don't understand how they're dogs at home and huh Patrick,
Speaker 1: you said you know they're gonna have to keep on
Speaker 1: looking to find that disrespect. Oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: now further, baby, Leo, no further. I am going Bengals.
Speaker 1: I am taking a favorite twenty seven to twenty four. Yes,
Speaker 1: sing my national anthem, Cynthia. I know that you said
Speaker 1: maybe no, Jama Chase, I say nay. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: positive about it. I think that he is coming back,
Speaker 1: they said. Zachalis said he looked great this week when
Speaker 1: he was playing the last game, he played in two
Speaker 1: touchdowns over a hundred and thirty yards of the game
Speaker 1: right before that one two touchdowns him are hundred thirty yards.
Speaker 1: I think he comes back. I think they ball out.
Speaker 1: We think of this team as the Super Bowl hangover team.
Speaker 1: I think they've put up over seventy nine points in
Speaker 1: the last few games. Today, She's like, Canada's got the
Speaker 1: better Thanksgiving and I got the Bengals. That's right, that
Speaker 1: is true, Titans. Take a screen grab of that, and
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, don't send it to me. Okay, I
Speaker 1: know we had three games yesterday, but can we please
Speaker 1: just go back to Mexico City four days ago. Sure,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it here in a second, but there's
Speaker 1: no way we will do it with this kind of enthusiasm.
Speaker 1: Take a look at this. They're three kolon come in,
Speaker 1: come on in, but dot it's a play action and
Speaker 1: flipped devol coming back together way left left by Croft
Speaker 1: and Frank Leggan And Okay, so m j Acosta was
Speaker 1: at this game. I was just talking to her and
Speaker 1: she said that this was the closest atmosphere to a
Speaker 1: super Bowl outside of the super Bowl that she has
Speaker 1: ever experienced in her life. So much fun, Cynthia, good
Speaker 1: luck matching that energy. But I love to see you try.
Speaker 1: What do you like the super Bowl at at end point?
Speaker 1: When for the forty nine to seventeen in this matchup.
Speaker 1: But I do want to talk about Chris Lava because
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of good things that my
Speaker 1: other co workers here are going to say about the Niners,
Speaker 1: So I do want to talk about Alava and how
Speaker 1: he's been such this deep threat. And if there's one
Speaker 1: area that I'm looking at the San Francisco forty Niners
Speaker 1: on and I'm trying to see, are they going to
Speaker 1: be like the NFC representative in the Super Bowl and
Speaker 1: stopping those deep passes and those deep attempts that a
Speaker 1: Lava has been so great at catching? The secondary is
Speaker 1: one area where I am like, is this the one
Speaker 1: spot that the Niners could be beat? So Chris Olavia
Speaker 1: could step up big here? All those are yards, all
Speaker 1: those receptions, He's having a great season. He should definitely
Speaker 1: be in consideration for Offensive Rookie of the Year if
Speaker 1: you haven't thought of it already. He's my pick so far.
Speaker 1: I love, but I don't love anything else about right.
Speaker 1: I know, I just don't even think that's gonna be close.
Speaker 1: I have a thirty eight to ten Finals heading in
Speaker 1: the opposite directions. Yet, I mean, this Saints team I
Speaker 1: think are ready to give up. And when teams play
Speaker 1: against the Rams these days, you feel like they're kind
Speaker 1: of slump busters. The Rams. The fact that the Saints
Speaker 1: beat the Rams isn't going to solve anything. Jimmy Garoppolo
Speaker 1: is playing with a little more creativity, a little more verve.
Speaker 1: You saw last week here when he went up to
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, got them to think he was running,
Speaker 1: then goes deep. When Jimmy Garoppolo starts adding in the
Speaker 1: second reaction improvisational skills, it's over for the defense. I
Speaker 1: think he's got a little more extra juice lately. Playbun's laughing,
Speaker 1: that's how little he respects Jimmy Garoppolo. Since those cheerleaders
Speaker 1: went over to Garoppolo and they didn't even act like
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey was there, I think Garoppolo has gone to
Speaker 1: another level back No, I was laughing at the kind
Speaker 1: of sneak dis It's like Jimmy garoppolos making an unscripted play. Actually,
Speaker 1: it's my second most lopsided game of the week as well.
Speaker 1: I have the Fortys winning this one to eleven because
Speaker 1: while the scoreboard might not always reflect it, this is
Speaker 1: the top total defense in the entire NFL. And also
Speaker 1: since Elijah Mitchell came back after the Christian McCaffrey trade,
Speaker 1: they've been running the ball really well over a hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty yards in back to back games. The Saints offense,
Speaker 1: other than crystal lava, like Cynthia mentioned, doesn't have a
Speaker 1: lot to speak of. I feel like this was one
Speaker 1: of the easier games for me to pick this make
Speaker 1: it a clean sweep. I am going the forty Niners
Speaker 1: as well, same with Cynthia. I think I have a
Speaker 1: ten point win, thirty four to twenty four. I will
Speaker 1: say this Sunday yesterday on Thanksgiving, we got a do over.
Speaker 1: We got a mulligan for Super Bowl picks, and Cynthia,
Speaker 1: both her and I put the forty Niners in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Oh yeah, mulligans are allowed. We write this script.
Speaker 1: Got the Kansas City Chiefs are fifteen and a half
Speaker 1: point favorites against the team that won the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: nine months ago. Football's wild, baby, football is wild. I
Speaker 1: don't need a mulligate on mine. I got the Chiefs
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl with the Eagles. No really, Okay,
Speaker 1: Time for the Drive to Excellence presented by Mercedes Ben
Speaker 1: Cynthia Christian Watson has been excellent for the Packers lately.
Speaker 1: Will they have enough juice against the nine and one
Speaker 1: Eagles to get this done, not to win, but I
Speaker 1: do think it's only a five point win twenty four
Speaker 1: to nineteen, which is maybe a little closer than some
Speaker 1: people are anticipating. Why because I think that they'll use
Speaker 1: them Aaron Jones, I think rushing against this Eagles team. Yes,
Speaker 1: they have in domakong Wu. They brought him in, They
Speaker 1: brought they tried to figure out how to fill in
Speaker 1: those defensive tackles. But I do think advantage to Jones here,
Speaker 1: mostly because they're going to need to and especial you
Speaker 1: with some shorter passes. This is not a defense that
Speaker 1: I want to pick against. This is not a defense
Speaker 1: that I think is a fun one to face as
Speaker 1: a quarterback. But I think Aaron Jones does give them
Speaker 1: a bit of an edge to keep things a little
Speaker 1: bit closer. Oh, we're on the same page against I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get you back on my good side. You
Speaker 1: didn't seem happy about the whole Crown thing earlier. I was.
Speaker 1: I feel bad it was from something. Now I could
Speaker 1: feel it. It doesn't like it because she's leading. We
Speaker 1: gotta give her crown. I know. I'm actually fine. Let's
Speaker 1: go Eagles that I love how can you and I will. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's make it either way. I'm with Cynthia that it's
Speaker 1: going to be closer than people expect in this game.
Speaker 1: I expect the Packers to be competitive, but Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: winning from the pocket is ultimately the difference. We know
Speaker 1: that they can run the ball, they'll probably give up
Speaker 1: yards on the ground, like Cynthia said, but watch that
Speaker 1: touchdown late in that Colts game. I love how Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts read the middle of the field. It's everything everyone
Speaker 1: said Jalen Hurts couldn't do. This was a third and
Speaker 1: two later in the game winning drive. He stayed in
Speaker 1: the pocket forever, waiting for a receiver to uncover. The
Speaker 1: big problem for Hurts, I think in his rookie year
Speaker 1: and his second year was not being patients, staying in
Speaker 1: the pocket and going through his reads. He's really developed.
Speaker 1: We know he's one of the best running quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the league and sets up one of the best running games.
Speaker 1: But now he's making better decisions and he's just more comfortable.
Speaker 1: He's calm, he's like he's a good looking guy. They're
Speaker 1: starting to give him national television at people are recognizing
Speaker 1: let's get on with Let's get on with it. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, like the rest of the country is everybody's
Speaker 1: finally catching on to tagline. Let's get on with it.
Speaker 1: Let's get on with being attractive too. And honestly, the
Speaker 1: late rushing touchdown, because of course the deniers and the
Speaker 1: haters will say, oh, that's all he does is one
Speaker 1: that was a tendency breaker for the Eagles to call
Speaker 1: a quarterback draw in that situation. And the game winner
Speaker 1: against the Colts, and that rushing offense, I think it's
Speaker 1: a big factor in this game. With top tim the
Speaker 1: pack there's bottom ten in terms of rushing defense, so
Speaker 1: they're gonna load up the box and that creates a
Speaker 1: situation where A J. Brown is going to be matched
Speaker 1: up one on one and it's going to be a
Speaker 1: bounce back game for him after two slower games, especially
Speaker 1: the Monday night game where he had the ankle injury.
Speaker 1: I think it's a big day for a J. Brown.
Speaker 1: The Eagles win, not quite big enough to get the
Speaker 1: cover only one Philadelphias. We are all sharing the same
Speaker 1: brain today, same same Eagles. But I feel like the
Speaker 1: Packers kind of stay in it. We saw Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: kind of like not looking like Aaron Rodgers on Thursday
Speaker 1: Football a couple of weeks ago, and he was just
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, a little bit wonky. But I
Speaker 1: feel like after the game he actually took ownership of
Speaker 1: his mistakes and maybe he was a little bit hurt.
Speaker 1: But the Aaron Rodgers that we've been seeing lately, he's
Speaker 1: throwing everybody under the bus. But this time around, he's like,
Speaker 1: this was my fault. I feel like, you know, a
Speaker 1: guy like Aaron Rodgers isn't gonna have two games in
Speaker 1: a row like that. I think he bounced back here
Speaker 1: and keeps it close again. The Eagles. Okay, guys, do
Speaker 1: you remember February? The Winter Olympics were a thing, and
Speaker 1: so were the Rams. They were great, so fun to watch,
Speaker 1: played in the Super Bowl right over there. I just
Speaker 1: want Rams fans to remember the good times because the boy, yea,
Speaker 1: he might be grinding for a different reason right now.
Speaker 1: The season is not so great and and hey, look
Speaker 1: they've got the Chiefs this week. Okay, how bad is
Speaker 1: it gonna be? The spread is fifteen and a half.
Speaker 1: I believe that that's the biggest underdog to Sean McVeigh
Speaker 1: has been with the Rams. Who wants to start us
Speaker 1: off here will start us off because fifteen and a
Speaker 1: half points is disrespectful. I've got a fifteen point Chiefs
Speaker 1: and the reason is I think the Rams are gonna
Speaker 1: keep this one on the ground. Uh no, Matthew Stafford
Speaker 1: out with the concussion, and then this got Kiren Williams
Speaker 1: comes in and get seven carries, you get plays fifty
Speaker 1: of the snaps. They also throw them the ball two times.
Speaker 1: Darrell Henderson, who have wondered like the Sean McVeigh not
Speaker 1: like him. Well something happened because Darrell Henderson is no
Speaker 1: longer on the team. He's now in Jacksonville. I think
Speaker 1: it's a lot of Karen Williams again. For some reason,
Speaker 1: the Ramps keep the ball on the ground and it's
Speaker 1: it's really these are still professionals. Fifteen and a half
Speaker 1: points just feels like too much for too much. Seventeen
Speaker 1: for me, so that's kind of wild. Thirty three to
Speaker 1: sixteen is my final score. I actually want to talk
Speaker 1: about the other running back because this cam Acres drama
Speaker 1: has been really interesting and I think when you're facing
Speaker 1: and what are you laughing at when you're facing a
Speaker 1: Chiefs defense like this one. I an, you're what you're
Speaker 1: laughing about here in a second here, Greg, But when
Speaker 1: you're facing a Chiefs defense like this and you have
Speaker 1: a lot of just keep Patrick Mahomes off the field
Speaker 1: is kind of We're gonna hear that over and over
Speaker 1: and over again. You do want to run it, but
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna need to use both running backs
Speaker 1: and cam Akers getting back in the good graces or
Speaker 1: whatever whatever the drama is. I think we're gonna see
Speaker 1: a good game out of this kid. I've heard really
Speaker 1: good things about him just in general, about kind of
Speaker 1: the rapport the fixed relationships. So I mean, you're not
Speaker 1: playing any of these people in fantasy, but in terms
Speaker 1: of what actually makes a difference of this game, I
Speaker 1: think both running backs, guys, I want to take you back.
Speaker 1: I want to take you back to I remember this
Speaker 1: is the first year that I was covering football and
Speaker 1: I was in a bar. This was like what a
Speaker 1: Thursday night football? It meant absolutely nothing, but the defense
Speaker 1: took the night off on both sides. This score was
Speaker 1: fifty four to what fifty two? Rams winning in those
Speaker 1: weird jerseys. Gosh, those are ugly, Uh, This is not
Speaker 1: going to be like that. This is no more. Okay,
Speaker 1: we don't we don't circle the calendar for this game anymore.
Speaker 1: I have the Chiefs winning thirty five to seventeen. Just
Speaker 1: way too many injuries. Cooper Cup, no, Matt Stafford, no, no,
Speaker 1: even John Woolford. They got the backup of the backup
Speaker 1: of the backup, Rice Perkins. I'm going Chiefs. So what
Speaker 1: we went from fifteen to eighteen, I will go to twenty.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna make it more fun. It's four dy
Speaker 1: to twenty Chiefs, and I feel bad. My daughter is
Speaker 1: actually here today and she's a huge ran. So let's
Speaker 1: talk positive about the rams with Perkins is gonna start
Speaker 1: in this game, and I think that's gonna make it watchable.
Speaker 1: I've been lucky enough to watch a lot of Bryce
Speaker 1: Perkins in the preseason in person, and you know what,
Speaker 1: He's feisty. I think Sean McVeigh, with a full week
Speaker 1: to prepare with him as the starters, can just start
Speaker 1: getting funky, start getting weird. Use his legs. He's a
Speaker 1: he's a playmaker. I think they put up points in
Speaker 1: this game. I do think he'd be a sneaky fantasy
Speaker 1: pick up for this game, because I think you get
Speaker 1: fifty sixty rushing yards, that they can score points. Because
Speaker 1: Steve Spagnola, the Chief's defensive coordinator, he's just gonna blitz
Speaker 1: them like crazy, get aggressive, and I think Perkins can
Speaker 1: make some place and at least it'll be fun. Like
Speaker 1: let's see it, Sean McVeigh. We've heard it out smart
Speaker 1: sometimes when when quarterbacks are having their first official NFL start,
Speaker 1: there's some magic that could happen. There's some magic. Can
Speaker 1: we gotta do you? Do you agree? Are you? Thumbs up? Okay?
Speaker 1: Thumbs up? Maybe they stay in the game a little bit. Okay,
Speaker 1: coming up after the Brave, we're talking Raiders and give
Speaker 1: me the name Greg dude, oh writer Seahawks a little
Speaker 1: late there, but I was like, wait a, yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: see you bright and early on Sunday. Speaking up, we
Speaker 1: got a big Sunday coming up and then Steelers Colts
Speaker 1: on Monday night. Greg, the floor is yours. Who do
Speaker 1: you like in this one? I like the Steelers in
Speaker 1: this game. I like seventeen for Pittsburgh. I actually am
Speaker 1: more excited about this game than I you would think
Speaker 1: because the last couple of weeks, these two teams have
Speaker 1: gotten watchable. That includes Kenny Pickett, that includes Nase Harris
Speaker 1: having a little more juice. You've just seen a rookie
Speaker 1: coming out of there by just a little more confident
Speaker 1: going down the field. Get George Pickens involved more. Nase
Speaker 1: Harris just did not run with a lot of juice
Speaker 1: earlier in the season, and you've seen it the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. They're gonna have a lot of Jeff
Speaker 1: Saturday content. You know, they've got the inside scoop and
Speaker 1: wouldn't it just be fun to see the Steelers go
Speaker 1: ruin the party. That's just maybe makes me sound like
Speaker 1: a small person, but I I have a lot of
Speaker 1: Jeff Saturday. I worked with Jeff Saturday. Okay, I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: can't you imagine Mike Tomlin and the boys kind of
Speaker 1: going on? I mean, I guess what I think Jeff
Speaker 1: Saturday gets to win three twenty in this matchup? Why?
Speaker 1: John Nathan Taylor? That's it. Stay with me when you
Speaker 1: see the difference with him in a did you say gino,
Speaker 1: yeah no, yeah, no, I understand. Yeah, So Jonathan Taylor
Speaker 1: makes a big difference right when he's back in the lineup.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of good things that happened, not just
Speaker 1: for him, but also for Matt Ryan. I also think
Speaker 1: that when you compliment him and their secondary, I think
Speaker 1: that's a nice winning formula against the Steelers that we've
Speaker 1: seen some some some weirdness this year, a little bit
Speaker 1: of weirdness, and how do you stay away from t J. Watt?
Speaker 1: You run? They're gonna need to because earlier in the
Speaker 1: season when Matt Ryan had to move, that's when the
Speaker 1: Colts offense really had problems. I think t J. Watt
Speaker 1: is going to force him off of his spot. But
Speaker 1: over on the other side, it's it's George Pickens. George
Speaker 1: greg mentioned it going back talking about George Pickens. Since
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett became the starting quarterback, he leads them in targets,
Speaker 1: receiving yards, and touchdowns. I think we see a lot
Speaker 1: of George Pickens in this matchup, and uh, the Steelers
Speaker 1: win it and what might feel like a score fest
Speaker 1: considering how these offenses were a few weeks ago Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: from I'm with you, Cynthia, I am going in this one.
Speaker 1: Listen with the Jeff the Jeff Saturday experiment and in
Speaker 1: the beginning, we're all like, what's this gonna be? They
Speaker 1: beat the Raiders, like, okay, that's fine, But then they
Speaker 1: lose to the Eagles by just one and they also
Speaker 1: hold the Eagles to the lowest amount that they have
Speaker 1: scored all season, only seventeen points. That's got to count
Speaker 1: for something. I'm going seventeen Jeff Saturday's Colts. Then we'll
Speaker 1: maybe be seeing in a different tune next week. Okay,
Speaker 1: it is time for quick picks. Uh, Greg, we all
Speaker 1: laughed at you. Usually we actually do, but we all
Speaker 1: laughed at you as you took the Raiders week after week.
Speaker 1: You proved us wrong last week, But will you do
Speaker 1: it again against you know, my team? No, We're going
Speaker 1: with no non to twenty one, largely because of Gino
Speaker 1: and those mismatches on the outside, DK Metcalfe and Tyler
Speaker 1: Lockett against this Raiders secondary, I think are just going
Speaker 1: to feast. It wasn't I'm a huge fan of the
Speaker 1: Raiders thing. It's just they played a bunch of easy teams.
Speaker 1: Seattle not an easy team. I think they're ready to
Speaker 1: go on a run here at the end, maybe win
Speaker 1: that love. I wish they want in Munich. Still up. Okay, Patrick,
Speaker 1: Chargers Cardinals. The Hard Knocks cameras were watching. Have you
Speaker 1: got I will be watching as well. I've actually got
Speaker 1: the Chargers in this one. But consider ring the Chargers
Speaker 1: one my score. The Chargers wins have come. E been
Speaker 1: teams that are combined fifteen thirty five and one, and
Speaker 1: the team that they're playing is a little bit better
Speaker 1: because this man, Kyler Murray is back. He's not doing this,
Speaker 1: He's not staying on the sideline. He will be playing.
Speaker 1: I know the Monday night football broadcast was really proud
Speaker 1: about the vibes or something that Colt McCoy brings. I
Speaker 1: think Kyler Murray is a starter for a reason, and
Speaker 1: the offense is gonna be a little bit funny. You
Speaker 1: want to take the Cardinals. I know this to be
Speaker 1: a fact. You told me yes. But I would like
Speaker 1: to win, and so I'm going to go with who
Speaker 1: I think is gonna win to produce, I am doing
Speaker 1: what I want. Greg trying to get me to I
Speaker 1: wanna say, no bold picks coming. I picked the Texans
Speaker 1: last week. This problem got a lack of okay sin
Speaker 1: Texas Dolphins, miamire two touched on favorites. Can the Texans
Speaker 1: even keep it close? Can they survive? I know, I
Speaker 1: mean you tried. I don't know. I didn't have a
Speaker 1: better answer and have like a witty response here. Fourteen
Speaker 1: is what Kyle Allen's making the start. I think Kyle
Speaker 1: Ellen under pressure or something that we now understand a
Speaker 1: bit more about. It's not a great situation for him
Speaker 1: when that happens. The Dolphins have been generating tons of pressure.
Speaker 1: They even traded for more pressure this trade deadline. So
Speaker 1: when I'm talking about this Allan situation, you talk about
Speaker 1: quarterbacks having a little bit of magic when they first start,
Speaker 1: when they maybe, but it also feels like the guys
Speaker 1: who catched the passes seemed a little angry to I
Speaker 1: don't know what a risks last personal injury is, but
Speaker 1: that seems to be and maybe plays. But they're not
Speaker 1: happy that they got Kyle Allen. Oh, I just think
Speaker 1: they're I don't think it has anything to do with
Speaker 1: Kyle Allen. I think it has more to do with
Speaker 1: I don't know. I once watched Kyle Allen win a
Speaker 1: game in London, which not that many people have done. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the Texans defense also to play in this game, and
Speaker 1: they're not gonna be out there as well, unfortunately too Ago. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, Patrick, Bears Jets, we already know you never
Speaker 1: take the Jets. Haven't done it all year, haven't bothered?
Speaker 1: Are you doing it? Surely you're not. I'm taking the Jets.
Speaker 1: I'm taking the Jet. Somebody needs to take the Bears here, seriously, though,
Speaker 1: I mean, no, I'm not. And because I owed New York,
Speaker 1: I'm very sorry. I have an apology specifically to issue here,
Speaker 1: and it is to this man, one super Bowl champion
Speaker 1: in Joe Flacco. I know it's gonna be Mike White starting,
Speaker 1: but look at Joe Flacco lightening it up. At the
Speaker 1: start of the season. I was getting jokes off. I
Speaker 1: was like, Joe Flacco have five touchdowns, three interceptions. I
Speaker 1: would have the Jets covering in this game. But because
Speaker 1: of the Joe Flacco disrespect, is not even playing in
Speaker 1: this game any sense, because we look back and we
Speaker 1: apologize that. So I'm apologized. When I ask you a question, Yes,
Speaker 1: we're talking about Jack Wilson. The commercial break said it
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter who's starting for this team what not. Well,
Speaker 1: I do know one thing. There's been a lot of
Speaker 1: talk about the press conference for Zack Wilson as if
Speaker 1: that matters. It literally does not matter. It matters how
Speaker 1: you execute and play on the field. There's a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of he's not taking enough, who cares like he's
Speaker 1: throwing the ball to people, and he's not, and so
Speaker 1: they put him on the bench, and that's why he's
Speaker 1: on the said he needed a reset. It's just like
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, your reboot. I mean you need
Speaker 1: to reset to like playing in college behind that offensive line.
Speaker 1: The key part about your Joe Flacco point to me
Speaker 1: was he's not Zack Wilson, and that's what's good at
Speaker 1: quarterback for the Jets. Just anyone that's not Zach Wilson. Okay,
Speaker 1: coming up after the break, we're talking, Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: this game guys, who buck up? Broncos Panthers, Sam Donald
Speaker 1: is by Mayfield? Who you know it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: barn Burner I certainly don't make or Mayfield who Banker?
Speaker 1: I love you. Still two teams just barely outside the
Speaker 1: playoff picture going at it in Atlanta. The Commanders are
Speaker 1: four point favorite. Cynthia, what do you think I have
Speaker 1: a three point win for the Commanders in this twenty
Speaker 1: three to twenty It's interesting because I wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about Drake London on the other side of this matchup,
Speaker 1: because for my model to be very stingy is like normal,
Speaker 1: and for it to have a Drake London touchdown I
Speaker 1: felt was worthy of bringing up here on this show.
Speaker 1: So Drake London obviously no Kyle Pits in this matchup,
Speaker 1: and targeting the secondary of the Commanders is a far
Speaker 1: higher value proposition than running against them. So when I'm
Speaker 1: looking to see where will the points come from, Drake London,
Speaker 1: there you go. Welcome to the end zone. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm at the point where I trust
Speaker 1: the Commanders like I feel like that's a dangerous spot
Speaker 1: to be. So I have the mooning by one, which
Speaker 1: is not by four, So it's not a lot of confidence.
Speaker 1: But their defense is playing great. If you think back
Speaker 1: to a couple of years ago, it is all about
Speaker 1: their defensive line when they won that division, all that
Speaker 1: magical seven and nine seasons, scoring like fifteen points a
Speaker 1: game with Alex Smith. But the same guys are there,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Allen and Deron Payne. They stuff the run. They
Speaker 1: are one of the toughest teams to run on in football.
Speaker 1: Mantes sweat. Everyone knows he gets the pressures, he can
Speaker 1: stop the run. Two on the edge like. They are
Speaker 1: very well coached, and that's the reason they've won all
Speaker 1: these games in a row. It's not because of Taylor Heineken,
Speaker 1: not that he's doing anything bad. He's just there. But
Speaker 1: it's the defense. And if you can stop the run,
Speaker 1: you can probably stop the Falcons. And so I'm taking
Speaker 1: them by a plan, but I don't feel great about it.
Speaker 1: The Falcons kill me every week. I'm always around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's one of these things where it's like, what's the
Speaker 1: Falcons team that's gonna show up. There's the Falcons team
Speaker 1: that held the forty to fifty yards rushing not too
Speaker 1: long ago. I am going to pick against the Commanders
Speaker 1: here and this one. And it's kind of the same
Speaker 1: reason that I fraudulently picked the Texans last week. But
Speaker 1: look at what happened in this game. I'm like, Oh,
Speaker 1: the Texas are gonna do this. Taylor Harneck is gonna
Speaker 1: throw picks, he's gonna put the ball in risk. And
Speaker 1: then the Texas Texans did up one well, it just happened.
Speaker 1: It happens every week over and over again where Taylor
Speaker 1: Haneke is taking chances with the ball and things just
Speaker 1: wind up working out. And I think this is the week,
Speaker 1: this has to be the week where it doesn't and
Speaker 1: uh Cynthia mentioned the opportunity on the outside for Drake London.
Speaker 1: Benjamin St. Juice has been out of practice all week,
Speaker 1: one of the better corners, one of the guys that
Speaker 1: isn't making plays. I've got the Falcons. The Commanders have
Speaker 1: something that I would like to call like chaotic confidence,
Speaker 1: like it really shouldn't be there, but for some reason
Speaker 1: they have it. I'm taking the Commanders or a win
Speaker 1: over here. Seventeen. I don't know if you guys have
Speaker 1: seen this, but Taylor Heineke has been purchasing shoes in
Speaker 1: the color of the opponents that he defeats, so like
Speaker 1: Texas last week, I'm like, where's I don't know why
Speaker 1: you have so much confidence? He always got picked off
Speaker 1: seven hundred times. He bought a pair of sneakers that
Speaker 1: are like Texans colors. He did it with the Eagles,
Speaker 1: he did it with the Packers, he did it with
Speaker 1: the Colts. That's chaotic confidence. You've got to be a
Speaker 1: little bit like I don't known deranged to be that
Speaker 1: confident in this kind of position to be buying sneakers.
Speaker 1: So I'm buying in. I am buying in on the
Speaker 1: chaotic confidence. Okay, at Defense one Championships, the Broncos would
Speaker 1: have been they'd be all set, you guys. In fact,
Speaker 1: if they had just scored eighteen points in every game
Speaker 1: this season, they'd be seven in three instead of three
Speaker 1: and seven turns out offense. It matters a little bit.
Speaker 1: Patrick sam Donald is making his first start this season
Speaker 1: against that Broncos defense. The Panthers are home underdogs. Will
Speaker 1: Russell help out that defense and not pull Zack Wilson.
Speaker 1: I think he will help out in the capacity where
Speaker 1: he's the quarterback and he'll take the snap and the
Speaker 1: ball won't immediately go to the to the other team.
Speaker 1: But but that's about it. That this Panthers offense with
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield as the starting quarterback, was averaging sixteen points
Speaker 1: a game. I think Sam Donald was better than Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 1: even though this is his first start. So I'll give
Speaker 1: them the boost there. And the Broncos only averaging fourteen
Speaker 1: points seven points per game, just based on that, like,
Speaker 1: at some point this game is going to be over
Speaker 1: and everybody will hopefully be in a better position. But
Speaker 1: but I've I've got the Carolina Panthers winning, uh seventeen
Speaker 1: to fifteen. Nathaniel Hacket always says somebody's gotta somebody's gotta
Speaker 1: Winel Hackett. This week, I've got to nine, no touch
Speaker 1: And I'm going to talk about the Panthers defense either
Speaker 1: because Sam darnaland Donald Settling, like the Donald versus Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield debate is like now the most pointless sports argument
Speaker 1: of all time. Let's talk a little Jeremy Chin and
Speaker 1: j C. Horne. This secondary is better when those two
Speaker 1: guys are out there and balling. I love how versatile
Speaker 1: Chin is. He was making plays last week. J C.
Speaker 1: Horne is one of the best young cornerbacks in the league.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think Russell Wilson will not have
Speaker 1: a touchdown in this game. They're actually gonna get two
Speaker 1: of these field goals on a short field because of
Speaker 1: turnovers and special teams, and they win twelve to nine.
Speaker 1: Look how specific all of that specific? While okay, so
Speaker 1: I kind of have something similar in terms of final
Speaker 1: score in nineteen to fifteen. In favor of the Broncos.
Speaker 1: I want to give some love to the Broncos secondary.
Speaker 1: It didn't look as great last week, and we've seen
Speaker 1: because obviously, look when you faced Devonte Adams, it's always
Speaker 1: going to be difficult. But Pat's her tan. He's one
Speaker 1: of the best young corners in our league. Arguably next
Speaker 1: season we'll probably talk about him as like maybe the best,
Speaker 1: right if they get a little bit of help, a
Speaker 1: little bit of run support there with their offense. But
Speaker 1: this secondary, like this is something special. They've got a
Speaker 1: very very special back end of that defense. So it
Speaker 1: should get to I feel like we say, like a
Speaker 1: lot of things about the Broncos was like want, want,
Speaker 1: because the offense is a little lackluster, but the secondary
Speaker 1: a plus. They've done a great job. They keep getting better,
Speaker 1: just good things. We're truly tired of talking about Russ
Speaker 1: and Wilson that somebody talks about the Broncos. All I
Speaker 1: hear is won't want won't Charlie Brown of the secondary?
Speaker 1: Secondary is just Charlie Brown's Sunday. This has got to
Speaker 1: be the lowest hours that we've given any team this season,
Speaker 1: any any game this season, I'm going tend to second
Speaker 1: for like that's Broncos screen of him this and then
Speaker 1: posted up in your backer room. This is where that
Speaker 1: This is the disrespect that you guys were that the
Speaker 1: Titans are looking for. It's belonging to the Broncos and
Speaker 1: the Panthers. It's just two like very bad offenses and
Speaker 1: the one good defense. So that's what I'm going I'll
Speaker 1: take the stray bond. And also I feel bad about
Speaker 1: talking bad about this game. There is something exciting that
Speaker 1: we'll get to see and that is too absolutely dreadful
Speaker 1: offenses and defenses. Uh, they're gonna make turnovers, like like
Speaker 1: like look at this, these offenses turn the ball over.
Speaker 1: We got the late strip by the Baltimore Ravens and
Speaker 1: then you know Russell. I know we weren't going to
Speaker 1: talk about him, but he's served up some opportunities for
Speaker 1: the opposition this season. So yeah, even though it's it's
Speaker 1: not Baker, we still get to see some Baker picks
Speaker 1: back to back stray bonds. The dogs are barking they
Speaker 1: did they didn't work out for you that they did, Okay,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady hasn't had to work since he got back
Speaker 1: from Germany two weeks ago. Gee, how nice for Tom.
Speaker 1: Some of us don't need time. Who am I getting
Speaker 1: up by week would be great? How long is this
Speaker 1: commercial coming out? I need a nap. I had too
Speaker 1: much turkey. Don't go anywhere. Okay, it's time for over under.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about this. Bucks Brown's game. Over under is
Speaker 1: at forty two and a half Tom Brady versus his
Speaker 1: former backup, Jacoby Brissette. I am taking the over. Tom
Speaker 1: Brady was fun in Germany. He tried to catch a touchdown.
Speaker 1: He's out of his mind right now. He tried it
Speaker 1: was happening. We all laughed collectively in Germany. Also, Jacoby Brissette,
Speaker 1: this is going to be his last start for the Browns, right,
Speaker 1: and he just said this week, I think I've proven
Speaker 1: myself as a starting quarterback somewhere in the league. I
Speaker 1: hope he balls out for this team. I am going over.
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brisset has been better than half the quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the league, but I'm still going under for this game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because Jacoby Brissette and Tom Brady two of the best
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the world. At quarterback sneaks third and one
Speaker 1: fourth one. That's how Jacoby learned it back in the day.
Speaker 1: But I think there's gonna be a lot of running,
Speaker 1: a little more defense, especially out of the Bucks, not
Speaker 1: a lot of great passing in this game, oh four.
Speaker 1: So that's more I like this one. I think that
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with what Rachel said. Time Rady's fun.
Speaker 1: I like it. I like that everyone collectively laughed at
Speaker 1: him after it didn't work out too. That was very
Speaker 1: funny as well. But when when I'm looking at this
Speaker 1: game realistically, I think that the run opportunity against the
Speaker 1: Bucks is going to be very difficult. So it's going
Speaker 1: to have be a lot more passing with some Donovan
Speaker 1: people's jones fixed in there. You know, that's been a
Speaker 1: nice thing for fantasy purposes. I've got the over as well,
Speaker 1: because I'm with you, Rachel. Jacoby Brissette has been bawling.
Speaker 1: He had his second career at three hundred plus yard
Speaker 1: three touchdown game against the Buffalo Bills, and I'm I
Speaker 1: do believe that he deserves a shot at being the
Speaker 1: starting quarterback and the Bucks offense is better, So why
Speaker 1: not points? Why not? Okay, why not? Why not points. Okay,
Speaker 1: Ravens jag similar situation here over under at forty three
Speaker 1: and a half. But I've got the Ravens winning twenty
Speaker 1: one to ten. That is the under. How many they
Speaker 1: put up against the Panthers only thirteen, I'm going under.
Speaker 1: I am going under as well, twenty to seventeen. Ronnie
Speaker 1: Stanley is out for the Ravens. I think that's one
Speaker 1: of the biggest injuries to watch in the league over
Speaker 1: the next few weeks. It's not gonna be a season
Speaker 1: ending injury, but they are not the same offense with
Speaker 1: Adam DeMarcus Robinson is their number one cornerback. I think
Speaker 1: this Jaguars defense is more talented than they've shown. They
Speaker 1: should play better. I've got twenty nineteen, so that's more
Speaker 1: points in this one when I'm looking at. Okay, the
Speaker 1: Ravens game, that was interesting against the Panthers, but I
Speaker 1: don't think that happens twice. Now that Ronnie Stanley isn't playing,
Speaker 1: I think that they will figure out to run a
Speaker 1: little bit more ahead of time, and then we'll see
Speaker 1: a lot more. Mark Andrews's getting back in after that injury,
Speaker 1: So you know, I think that that we'll see a
Speaker 1: ton more catches from him. Yeah, I've got one Baltimore
Speaker 1: Uh squeaking by by Justin Tucker field goal. I'm not
Speaker 1: that bothered by Marcus Robinson. I wish that the Ravens
Speaker 1: had more ed wide receiver, but considering that Lamar won
Speaker 1: an m VP with at least need as his wide
Speaker 1: receiver one, I think weeks at uh. I mean, really's
Speaker 1: got family, he's a fan of the show. I lovely Steed.
Speaker 1: Your face wasn't telling him some big moments with the s.
Speaker 1: It's just you know, you watch A J. Brown playing
Speaker 1: for the Eagles and you're like, oh, that would be
Speaker 1: nice for Lamar. Okay. Final question a little surprise over
Speaker 1: under thirty candles on Patrick's birthday. Under it's a cool
Speaker 1: twenty seven baby. Come on, come on, we're going over.
Speaker 1: Are you doing anything fun for your birthday? I'm doing
Speaker 1: game debut with you guys. The go to meal is honestly, honestly,
Speaker 1: I got garlic beef shaker noodles from a place that
Speaker 1: one lunch. It's just for me. It's my favorite thing.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna let your family have any of it.
Speaker 1: It's just for you. Well, that was that was just
Speaker 1: for me. Go home and they can have whatever. This
Speaker 1: birthday is like a quiet lunch by yourself. That's a
Speaker 1: dad that that means. It's more than thirty candles. If
Speaker 1: you're that's the only way that you never more than
Speaker 1: on a happy, happy birthday. Coming up next, it is
Speaker 1: right this down something we are feeling very confident in.
Speaker 1: Mine might be a little bit polarizing for some. I've
Speaker 1: been singing this. I've been singing this all day. Greg
Speaker 1: and I got in a fight about it earlier. Fight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who's the bully? Now it got rough. Okay, it's time
Speaker 1: to write this down. I'm sure that man would absolutely
Speaker 1: hate my write this down today, but I gotta say
Speaker 1: there's has nothing to do with football. Okay, turkey is
Speaker 1: not good turkeys trash. In fact, we all saw the vikings.
Speaker 1: They were surrounded by these cold and crusty turkey legs.
Speaker 1: Adam feeling spat it out on the field because it
Speaker 1: was some nasty turkey. Not good. Okay, you're not happy.
Speaker 1: I don't want to deal with it everyone. I want
Speaker 1: to season Rachel's turkey. I want to cook Rachel's turkey properly.
Speaker 1: Always think if like salt pepper doesn't count if somebody's like,
Speaker 1: you're gonna need a little bit. Because if people boiled
Speaker 1: Ribby and they were like RIBI doesn't say you shouldn't boil,
Speaker 1: it's not good. It's not good. I just put up
Speaker 1: with it. All food is good if it's if it's made,
Speaker 1: I'll say that, but not if turkeys on it. All right,
Speaker 1: you know who's gonna be a bunch of turkeys this week?
Speaker 1: The Saints. I don't know that was so terrible. Ers
Speaker 1: are eight and a half point favorites. I've got the
Speaker 1: winning by twenty eight. We've got the time of the
Speaker 1: season where some of these teams are already ready to
Speaker 1: go home, and I think the Saints are one of
Speaker 1: those teams. I think there as injured as almost any
Speaker 1: team in the league. I think there is poorly coached overall,
Speaker 1: and they're disorganized and they're playing a buzz saw. This
Speaker 1: line gives them way too much credit. I could put
Speaker 1: it at two touchdowns and I'd still be happy to
Speaker 1: take the fort is calling. I love that you made
Speaker 1: a dad joke and your kids are sitting right there
Speaker 1: and you're not paying. They're shaking their head, they're like
Speaker 1: they're really really dead. Okay, so I'm giving you two
Speaker 1: because it's Thanksgiving. I'm gonna give you a two here.
Speaker 1: I think that Tyler Lockett catches at least six passes.
Speaker 1: That one sounds really easy to do. And Foster Moreau, congratulations,
Speaker 1: you're gonna catch at least four passes this week. Both
Speaker 1: of those things are going to happen. You get your extras.
Speaker 1: You don't even need to reheat them. Their fresh picks
Speaker 1: for your I've got a guy who delivers every single
Speaker 1: year like turkey that is cooked properly, and that is
Speaker 1: one Derrick Henry he will have. There are people who
Speaker 1: were out there like, oh, Derrick Henry might not have
Speaker 1: a hundred yards rushing. No, he's gonna have a hundred
Speaker 1: yards rushing against the Cincinnati Bengals, who again have given
Speaker 1: up two out the last three games, plus a hundred
Speaker 1: yards scrimmage to running backs in each job. And Najie
Speaker 1: Harris Derrick Henry, all right, we've done this show with
Speaker 1: my children wading in the week. They're the biggest fans
Speaker 1: of game game over guys. This is Alice, of course,
Speaker 1: and this is Walker. And they said, you know, before
Speaker 1: we went on they said, well, after this, we'll be famous, right,
Speaker 1: And that's right, You're gonna be a going viral, all right,
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