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Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins. We are back here for day number three,
Speaker 1: the final day at the NFL Scouting Combine. From our coverage,
Speaker 1: we're gonna tell to a bunch of more draft pundance
Speaker 1: today on the podcast. We have Jordan Reid from ESPN,
Speaker 1: Ben Solak from The Ringer, Trevor Sikama from Pro Football Focus,
Speaker 1: and a heck of a lot more. Keep it locked
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Speaker 1: is the Drivetime podcast. Let's go ahead and jump right
Speaker 1: in first with my interview from Thursday morning with ESPNS
Speaker 1: Jordan Read. What's up doll Fans? Back here again at
Speaker 1: the scouting combine in Indianapolis, twenty twenty three. We're here
Speaker 1: with ESPNS Jordan Reid. I think fifth or sixth or
Speaker 1: seventh appearance on Drivetime. Now. How you doing, Jordan good Man.
Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure of being here. Looking forward to
Speaker 1: having you on once again talking all things quarterbacks as
Speaker 1: we do our resident quarterback here that we go on
Speaker 1: the podcast annually. So we'll start with two. A tongue
Speaker 1: of Blowa, who had a really breakout third season in
Speaker 1: the NFL. What did you see from his development that
Speaker 1: really encouraged you for his career going forward? What was
Speaker 1: a lot and what I like that Miami Dia was
Speaker 1: they not only got the coach in the building, but
Speaker 1: they surrounded him with a lot of weapons to bringing
Speaker 1: over Tyreek Hill Jalen Waddle already being there, and then
Speaker 1: involving Mike get Ski in the offense a little bit
Speaker 1: more too. So I mean, he showed some promise and
Speaker 1: that's what we wanted to see from to it entering
Speaker 1: the year that he did. But I think getting those
Speaker 1: guys really helped him a lot attack in the middle
Speaker 1: of the field and then of course taking those deep
Speaker 1: shots down the field of Tyreek Hill. So I really
Speaker 1: like what I saw from me. Yeah, he had the
Speaker 1: level league and an average depth of target. I think
Speaker 1: had the most accurate deep passing perce Ange last year.
Speaker 1: So really kind of check some of the boxes that
Speaker 1: maybe folks were concerned about, is there something he can
Speaker 1: do next or take his game to the next level,
Speaker 1: because he really, you know, came out of the gates hot,
Speaker 1: played super well. We had that little bit of a
Speaker 1: lull some losses in a row. There had the injuries
Speaker 1: as well. But what do you think he can do
Speaker 1: to just just take this game to the next level
Speaker 1: and you're number four. Protecting himself, Yeah, that's the big one.
Speaker 1: Learning to slide, not being so competitive as a runner,
Speaker 1: but that's just too He's always been that way ever
Speaker 1: since he was back at Alabama. Just learning how to
Speaker 1: slide and protect himself, that's number one. But also getting
Speaker 1: outside of the run pass option a little bit and
Speaker 1: being more progression based. And I know Mike McDaniel's offense
Speaker 1: is heavy RPO late, but I think they need to
Speaker 1: let him experiment a little bit as far as progressions,
Speaker 1: you know, going from one to two, reading right to left, left,
Speaker 1: the right, little things like that. You know how that goes.
Speaker 1: How difficult is I for a quarterback, for a competitor
Speaker 1: to not go for extra yardage, to just think about
Speaker 1: himself in the long term compared to one particular play
Speaker 1: at the time, like I would imagine for you, it's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm getting those yards. Yeah, it's tough just because you
Speaker 1: get so used to doing these types of things. And
Speaker 1: he did at Alabama too, But defensive coordinators they get
Speaker 1: paid a lot of money too, so they kind of
Speaker 1: with Mike McDaniel's offense. And he's gonna learn this as
Speaker 1: he gets more seasoned as a head coach, and that
Speaker 1: you have to develop a little bit more with their
Speaker 1: scheme outside of being so heavy RPO, being more progression based,
Speaker 1: and then just getting Tyreek Hill and jay Len watt
Speaker 1: On those guys a little bit more involved in the
Speaker 1: progression based design of the quarterbacks. You can kind of
Speaker 1: expect a natural progression just from being in the second
Speaker 1: year of the offense. Yeah, I think so. And then
Speaker 1: you know, like I say, with quarterback, being a formal quarterback,
Speaker 1: it's like learning a new language when you're learning a
Speaker 1: new verbiage with this playbook, relaying plays and then also
Speaker 1: understanding what you have to do as well as well
Speaker 1: as the other ten guys on the field. So him
Speaker 1: now being in year two in the offense, I expect
Speaker 1: him to ascend a little bit more. Yeah, we hope. So.
Speaker 1: I mean last year was a lot of fun to watch,
Speaker 1: but um, you know, I think for the Dolphins order
Speaker 1: to really capture what they can maximize their offense, they're
Speaker 1: gonna have to add some more pieces of this year.
Speaker 1: How about in this year's draft class pick number fifty two,
Speaker 1: a couple of picks in the third round. How do
Speaker 1: you think Miami can address and improve their offense in
Speaker 1: this year's draft offensive line? Just because I think they
Speaker 1: have to protect to him obviously with this situation and
Speaker 1: everything that he has with guard, I think guard is
Speaker 1: an area where they could look to address. Cody Mock
Speaker 1: from North Dakota State, I think he's going to be
Speaker 1: a popular name for Dolphins fans Steve Avila from TCU.
Speaker 1: He's another one that I think would be a really
Speaker 1: good fit for them as well. And then also tight end.
Speaker 1: I think this is one of the best classes that
Speaker 1: we have seen in quite a long time, So I
Speaker 1: think we could see as many as six or seven
Speaker 1: guys go inside of the top two or three rounds.
Speaker 1: So I think they could explore sight end as well.
Speaker 1: Life of Cody Mock because the whole like teethless, looks
Speaker 1: like asia he really does. It seems like every year
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl we get a player like that.
Speaker 1: Last year is Quinn Minor. It's right, the belly coming
Speaker 1: the jersey. It's just always fun to watch those guys
Speaker 1: kind of have their moment in the sun after playing
Speaker 1: small school football for so long. So let's let's keep
Speaker 1: talking about the offense a little bit. Because you talk
Speaker 1: about tight ends, let's let's focus on that position. Is
Speaker 1: there anybody that you think really kind of can play
Speaker 1: all three phases from day once? No, for the tight
Speaker 1: end position, it's tough to learn because run blocking, pass,
Speaker 1: pro pass routes, it's a lot to learn. Right, Is
Speaker 1: there a player that you think can come in right
Speaker 1: away in this year's class and just make an immediate
Speaker 1: impact that There's three that I like for the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: and the first one is Darniel Washington. Yeah, with you
Speaker 1: know the outside zone scheme that they like to run.
Speaker 1: He's an extra offensive tackle when he's on the field.
Speaker 1: And then he's also an underrated pass catcher too. And
Speaker 1: I know Rock Bowers is the player that a lot
Speaker 1: of people glorify with Georgia, and rightfully so, he's a
Speaker 1: great player. But Darnel Washington made that offense go at
Speaker 1: the tight end position from a run game perspective, So
Speaker 1: he's one that I would keep an eye on. Luke
Speaker 1: Musgrave from Oregon State who was a bit banged up
Speaker 1: last year. But you talk about somebody that's might get
Speaker 1: sickty type of player from an athletic standpoint, I think
Speaker 1: he's won than the last one that's took a craft
Speaker 1: From South Dakota State, he's another one that was a
Speaker 1: little bit hurt last year, but he's very first of
Speaker 1: as far as a blocker in a pass catch, I
Speaker 1: haven't heard that name so far. So where do you
Speaker 1: think he goes off the boarder? I think second and
Speaker 1: third round. I think that's a sweet spot for him,
Speaker 1: So they're probably gonna have to take him in round
Speaker 1: too if they want him. Yeah, I think he's going
Speaker 1: to be a popular name, especially after he tests here.
Speaker 1: They come by, you're not kidding about the tight end
Speaker 1: class being loaded, and you know Darniel Washington. I get
Speaker 1: a kick out of his tape because, like there's blocks
Speaker 1: where he clears out dbs like with a forearm, sugar.
Speaker 1: It's the craziest thing I've ever seen on tape. And
Speaker 1: then you have a six seven target in the red
Speaker 1: zone too. I'm a huge fan of his game. Let's
Speaker 1: go ahead and pivot and get off just Dolphins topics
Speaker 1: here for a second again, having Jordan Reeve, we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk quarterbacks. Four big quarterbacks this year. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of folks think that when there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks like last year at the top of the class,
Speaker 1: they call it a boring class. I don't always agree
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, but this year you have a fun
Speaker 1: class and you have some sizle hith the quarterback position.
Speaker 1: How do you kind of stack those top four guys?
Speaker 1: So I have a bright shown quarterback from Alabama Number one,
Speaker 1: C J. Strout of Ohio State two, Anthony Richardson from
Speaker 1: Florida three, and then Will Levis four, and all those
Speaker 1: guys have different flaws in their game, just like any
Speaker 1: other year with quarterbacks. Bryce obviously you're gonna hear about
Speaker 1: the size with him, We'll see what he does end
Speaker 1: up measuring at jay is just can he consistently play
Speaker 1: off script and can he make offensive coordinators right and
Speaker 1: when they call the wrong play? But we saw the
Speaker 1: Grand Finale against Georgia where he had one of the
Speaker 1: best games of his career. And then the other two
Speaker 1: guys are going to be labeled as project, So all
Speaker 1: those guys have their flaws. Is just going to be
Speaker 1: which one you're most comfortable with. So I'm really curious
Speaker 1: to kind of dive into that because I think it's
Speaker 1: a good juxtaposition for traits drafting with Levis and Richardson
Speaker 1: and probably Bryce Young to an extent to Stroud, who's
Speaker 1: more about polished pocket passing. Right, How do you think
Speaker 1: the NFL is kind of going in terms of that direction?
Speaker 1: Like Stroud has obviously a lot of value, but our
Speaker 1: teams may be going more towards, like you said, the
Speaker 1: project because of like Josh Allen because of what Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes has become. Yeah. Absolutely, and you just have to think.
Speaker 1: I think the game is catering more towards mobility at
Speaker 1: the position just because those guys like Payton, then Eli
Speaker 1: Man named Philip Rivers on Tom Brady to an extent,
Speaker 1: they just weren't very mobile outside of the pocket. So
Speaker 1: now you have to get those guys that are more
Speaker 1: mobile and able to create outside of structure, just because
Speaker 1: those guys on the defensive side, they're only getting better
Speaker 1: as far as athletes. So you're seeing guys like Joe Burrow,
Speaker 1: justin Herbert, these guys that are really good athletes. So
Speaker 1: and also another great thing about the mobility is that
Speaker 1: you have that in your back pocket while the mental
Speaker 1: side of the game is catching up to that part
Speaker 1: of the game too. So the game is catering more
Speaker 1: to the mobile aspect of these quarterbacks. Russell Wilson because
Speaker 1: his name that comes to mind earlier his career, right,
Speaker 1: the mobility and kind of just scrambling and making plays
Speaker 1: happening out there in Seattle. So any other first round
Speaker 1: quarterbacks you like, the shares are give me those four guys.
Speaker 1: I think those are the four right now. After that,
Speaker 1: you're gonna hear names like Hendon Hooker from ucl excuse
Speaker 1: me from Tennessee, Dorian Thompson Robinson from UCLA, and then
Speaker 1: also Tanner McKee from Stanford and you guys on day
Speaker 1: three that you think might be good projects that could
Speaker 1: potentially be that, uh, I guess your property. Yeah, Jake
Speaker 1: Hanner from Fresno State. He was one that was really
Speaker 1: impressive down to the Senior Bowl. Kind of has that
Speaker 1: Taylor Taylor Heineke case keenom type to his game. He
Speaker 1: just has great moxie. He just makes everybody believe and
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the most He's not the most physically
Speaker 1: gifted guy. He's only about six foot one, two hundred
Speaker 1: and ten pounds at best. But I think he just
Speaker 1: has that couriers one that you love to see at
Speaker 1: the position. It's a valuable spot if you can get
Speaker 1: a back, a quarterback that lay in the draft, so
Speaker 1: he'll look out for that. Let's go to the other
Speaker 1: side of the ball here in defense real quick, just
Speaker 1: kind of generally speaking about the Dolphins needs this year.
Speaker 1: Obviously a shifting scheme towards Vic Fangio, who do you
Speaker 1: like that could be there at pick fifty two to
Speaker 1: improve this Dolphins defense. Yeah, well, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: positions of need for the Dolphins right now. I think
Speaker 1: linebacker is one where I think they could get a
Speaker 1: little bit better at. Cornerback is another area, and then
Speaker 1: also safety. So he's not going to be there for
Speaker 1: the Dolphins in the second round, but Brian Branch would
Speaker 1: be one that would be a really good fit. As
Speaker 1: far as cornerback, Darius Rust from South Carolina, I think
Speaker 1: he's one that would be a great fit for Vic Fangio.
Speaker 1: So what do you try to look for in a
Speaker 1: cornerback in a Vic Fangio defense, Because, like I was
Speaker 1: going back over some of the additions he made in
Speaker 1: Denver and there really wasn't like a protype that he
Speaker 1: went after. Do you think there's something that he particularly
Speaker 1: looks at. Well, it's tough es basically for us trying
Speaker 1: to develop trends just because we're not in that draft room.
Speaker 1: We don't know exactly the characteristics are the traits that
Speaker 1: they're looking for. But we can always identify the scheme
Speaker 1: that Vic runs, which is heavy man coverage and guys
Speaker 1: that are really smart and love to tackle. So that's
Speaker 1: why I said guys like Darius Rush Eli Ricks from Alabama.
Speaker 1: I think those type of guys they're gonna cater to
Speaker 1: big Ski. Well, you play a lighter boxes, you gotta
Speaker 1: be able to tackle on the back end, right, So
Speaker 1: let's talk about that the box portion of the linebacker position.
Speaker 1: Who do you like as an off ball linebacker for
Speaker 1: the defense? Yeah, this is a really interesting class just
Speaker 1: because we don't have that bona fide number one guy
Speaker 1: at the top. There's no Roquan Smith, there's no guys
Speaker 1: like that. But Daan Henley from Washington State maybe he's
Speaker 1: one that I like a lot. Ivan Paced junior from Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: He's kind of a chess piece on that second level
Speaker 1: that you can move around a lot. And then also
Speaker 1: Jack Campbell from Iowa, He's one that I like a
Speaker 1: lot too. It's stuff very good. Jordan Reid, ESPN, What
Speaker 1: are you guys working on right now? Anything coming up?
Speaker 1: A bunch of mock drafts, a bunch of draft discussions
Speaker 1: right now as far as what we're gonna do right now.
Speaker 1: But I have a mock draft, a seven round mock
Speaker 1: draft coming out at the end of this month. So
Speaker 1: be on the lookout for Devin rounds all two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty six picks. There you go, Jordan Reid espen
Speaker 1: think every time today, make you for always, Travis and
Speaker 1: away he goes. Very good stuff there from Jordan Reed
Speaker 1: as always interesting takes on quarterback position, how he kind
Speaker 1: of approach this thing from his experience as a D
Speaker 1: two quarterback along the way. Always good perspective there from
Speaker 1: Jordan the future lead draft analysts at ESPN. He is
Speaker 1: in line to when mel Kiper moves on. Jordan is
Speaker 1: the guy so very excited about him in his future,
Speaker 1: his career. Let's go ahead and take our first break
Speaker 1: right here. We're going to come back on the other side.
Speaker 1: I did about fifteen minutes with PFFS Trevor Sikama. Great conversation.
Speaker 1: Keep it tuned right here, Drivetime Podcast, your host Travis Wingfield,
Speaker 1: brought to you by Auto Nation. Back here in Indianapolis
Speaker 1: for a segment number two on the Thursday edition of
Speaker 1: the Drivetime Podcast. As promised, let's go ahead and get
Speaker 1: to my chat with PF's Trevor Sikama. What's up, doll
Speaker 1: fins Back here once again at the scouting Combine in
Speaker 1: Indianapolis twenty twenty three. Heare with Pro Football Focus is
Speaker 1: Trevor Sikama. Trevor, how you doing some I'm doing great, man.
Speaker 1: It's always good to be with you. Always good to
Speaker 1: be in Indianapolis is one of our favorite times a year, man.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited to talk to some ball. We change
Speaker 1: locations for the first time with you. We've got the
Speaker 1: podiums here in the background. Players are wrapped up for
Speaker 1: the day. I think dbs are officially done, so moving
Speaker 1: on to offense. But let's go ahead and go back
Speaker 1: to like the idea of roster building, because this is
Speaker 1: kind of the time of year where you talk about
Speaker 1: approaches and how teams do things. Definitely that's always fascinated
Speaker 1: to me. And we've seen the Dolphins kind of on
Speaker 1: this cycle of aggressive with draft picks and young players,
Speaker 1: and then last year it was the veteran trade market,
Speaker 1: veteran free agent market. What's next for the Dolphins on
Speaker 1: our building? Yeah, I mean not to have a cop
Speaker 1: out answer, but it's got to be a decent mix
Speaker 1: of both. You want to invest in those players. But
Speaker 1: the Dolphins kind of proved this year that they are
Speaker 1: that team that is on a playoff path, right, and
Speaker 1: so anytime that's the case, then if you see your
Speaker 1: winning window, or if you were in your winning window,
Speaker 1: then it does make sense to say, hey, we've got
Speaker 1: a little extra draft capitaler or sorry, we've got a
Speaker 1: little extra salary cap, let's go make a little splash
Speaker 1: here and there where we need to. Obviously, building the
Speaker 1: team in the most healthy way always comes through the draft.
Speaker 1: It comes through drafting players well, developing them well, getting
Speaker 1: them those second contracts. But there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: When you get to a point where you think, hey,
Speaker 1: we're right there, we've got a good roster already, you
Speaker 1: do start to sprinkle in a lot of those freees.
Speaker 1: So maybe not as big of a splash as we
Speaker 1: saw last season with guys like Thrown and Tyree coming in,
Speaker 1: but I do think that they're in a position where
Speaker 1: they can take that next step with having a good
Speaker 1: mix of both of those guys. I'm a big fan
Speaker 1: of using those late twenties picks on Tyree Kill because
Speaker 1: where you gonna get a receiver about on Tyreek Kill
Speaker 1: that spot, No you're not. You're gonna get a better
Speaker 1: edge than Bradley Chubb and the twenty nine. I think
Speaker 1: you were so I like that approach a lot, and
Speaker 1: so you're i think interviewed number nine or ten of
Speaker 1: the week. I've asked this question a lot and I
Speaker 1: get the same mansions. I'm not gonna ask you the
Speaker 1: same question, but it's what can the Dolphins do to
Speaker 1: improve the most on offense? And it's always the running game.
Speaker 1: What's the next step in the running game? So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ask you how do they do that? How do
Speaker 1: they improve the running game? Up front? I'm gonna selling
Speaker 1: it like an old school coach, but it is. It's upfront,
Speaker 1: and I feel like the Dolphins have you mentioned draft capital,
Speaker 1: free agents, they have tried to get guys in there
Speaker 1: to figure out what that best five is and I
Speaker 1: still feel like they have pieces, but they it's solidifying
Speaker 1: those guys in the right positions to where they are
Speaker 1: all a total cohesive unit, and I think that that
Speaker 1: is still something that's missing for them. I know people
Speaker 1: like to talk about like, oh, let's add a great
Speaker 1: bag in the draft, and especially there's a lot of
Speaker 1: really exciting ones in this class, and I'm sure we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about but before you get to those guys,
Speaker 1: or you know, even after you get to those guys,
Speaker 1: you have to make sure the guys up front are
Speaker 1: doing their job. That unit is first and foremost the priority,
Speaker 1: because then you get into the point where a lot
Speaker 1: of people talk about running backs like, oh, you can
Speaker 1: get them in all shapes and sizes and get them
Speaker 1: anywhere in the draft. That only works if you solidify
Speaker 1: the offensive line first. So that definitely has to be
Speaker 1: the priority. How confident they are with the guys that
Speaker 1: they have where they want to make their additions, That
Speaker 1: would be my answer to that, kind of like Philadelphia, right,
Speaker 1: you have an offensive dentody around, Yes, do you think
Speaker 1: you could have run for a thousand yards in that
Speaker 1: bad field? I don't think I could have run for
Speaker 1: a thousand yards, but I mean, like maybe you know
Speaker 1: the three yards before contact? Sure, I could probably do
Speaker 1: that before you get right right right. It'd be like
Speaker 1: two total plays most, but I'd suit up for it.
Speaker 1: So that's what we're looking for here. So we have
Speaker 1: I think a good chunk of that offensive line. But
Speaker 1: there's obviously I think every team's looking every year for
Speaker 1: additional offensive lineman. Who do you like in this year's
Speaker 1: class right around that day to range from Miamiyah. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of guys, especially on the
Speaker 1: interior when I look at my He's offensive line that
Speaker 1: could use the versatility Steve a Vila from TCU as
Speaker 1: somebody who I really like play really well during the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. I mean, a guy like John Michael Schmidtz
Speaker 1: I think is probably OT one in a lot of
Speaker 1: people's minds from Minnesota, brings a nastiness and a good
Speaker 1: mentality there to them. I'm sure that they would love
Speaker 1: to get their hands on a guy like say Osires Torrens.
Speaker 1: I just don't think he's going to be available for
Speaker 1: them in the second round. So, I mean, those are
Speaker 1: two that really pop out to me immediately as guys
Speaker 1: that can play a lot of different spots along the
Speaker 1: interior offensive line and play it really really well. So
Speaker 1: they are guys who we saw in Mobile. They had
Speaker 1: really great Senior Bowls. They solidified themselves I think as
Speaker 1: those second round kind of players. So those are two
Speaker 1: names that I'd definitely be that would definitely be on
Speaker 1: my raider for the doll You're a Start Interview today
Speaker 1: Steve A. Villa by Jordan Reed, Ben Saleck, and yourself
Speaker 1: all been mentioned first off the board. There's the same
Speaker 1: company once anytime. That's true too, that's true too. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's a little hive mind between us and we still
Speaker 1: don't even know it. Some what's the subliminal group think there? Yes,
Speaker 1: you guys, yes, at the offensive line position. Let's talking
Speaker 1: about tight end and running back because Ben also mentioned
Speaker 1: the extra you know, wy tight end could be a
Speaker 1: big benefit from Miami in this show's class. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've see it in the same way. Who
Speaker 1: fits best star at that spot, but also the running
Speaker 1: back in tight end groups? What do you think there?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a good tight angry, you know,
Speaker 1: I really think there's a lot of different we talk
Speaker 1: about shapes and sizes with all the different positions, but
Speaker 1: it seems like that's the case with Miami as well.
Speaker 1: You know, if they want more of a receiver, a
Speaker 1: guy like a Dalton Kincaide, Luke Musgraves, those guys are
Speaker 1: right there. Kind of a hybrid of both of them,
Speaker 1: I would say, would be like a Tucker Craft from
Speaker 1: San Diego State. Obviously, Michael Mayer people talk about him
Speaker 1: from from Notre Dame as well. Again, not sure he's
Speaker 1: gonna make it to the second round. Not all of
Speaker 1: these guys are gonna make it to the second round.
Speaker 1: But then there's to me the ultimate wild card in
Speaker 1: how do you view Darnelle Washington from Georgia right, Like?
Speaker 1: I love him? He is a and you know we
Speaker 1: just talked about the offensive line, right, he feels like
Speaker 1: that sixth offensive lineman with how well he can block.
Speaker 1: And so you get this guy who was featured a
Speaker 1: little bit more in the past the game this past
Speaker 1: year with Georgia, which he loved to see. He's got
Speaker 1: crazy athleticism for his size at well, I don't know
Speaker 1: why he's gonna measure in that, but we've got like
Speaker 1: six foot seven, two hundred and seventy pass which is
Speaker 1: crazy the way that he moves for it, but he
Speaker 1: blocks like he's that size. And so really, those are
Speaker 1: a lot of names to know a tight end. But
Speaker 1: it just depends if you want a little bit more
Speaker 1: of receiver, because the topics around kisiki right, and I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people are talking about him, whether
Speaker 1: he's gonna be on the team, whether he's not, and
Speaker 1: what you want to replace with that role if he
Speaker 1: is no longer on the team, or heck, if he is,
Speaker 1: what you can add to the tight end room as well.
Speaker 1: So I've talked about Donald Washington and open space without
Speaker 1: four armed shiver block where he just like wipes out
Speaker 1: a dB without even trying. Ridiculous. Truly, I keep going
Speaker 1: back the sixth offensive lineman. It feels like you have that.
Speaker 1: And when you have an offensive lineman that gives you
Speaker 1: that kind of versatility, that kind of strength on the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, it allows you to play all sorts
Speaker 1: of different multi tight end packages. You can get guys
Speaker 1: that are a little bit more athletic that might be
Speaker 1: in your tight end room off the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: use him in the slot, better mismatch players, So a
Speaker 1: ton of flexibility. If you get a guy like Darnell
Speaker 1: Washington essentially going tackle eligible with a guy that's six
Speaker 1: seven two seven four six right right, the ref's gonna
Speaker 1: be like, wait, is that guy eligible? Oh what, No,
Speaker 1: he's a tight end wait to say. So that's what
Speaker 1: it feels like. The Darnell talking about offense here, let's
Speaker 1: say on the offensive about running back to this because
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, Yeah, Savona akhmed rahemoster At, Jeff Wilson, and
Speaker 1: Miles Gascon are all set to hit free agency. We'll
Speaker 1: see what happens there in the coming week. But I
Speaker 1: have to her it's a great running back class as well.
Speaker 1: How do you like the Dolphins ability to kind of
Speaker 1: fill out that running back room? And going back to
Speaker 1: Jordan and Ben earlier today, they were completely different, so
Speaker 1: you can kind of maybe give us a reppermatch. So
Speaker 1: there was like one speed, one power, like was one
Speaker 1: a little bit different. So you know, you mentioned the
Speaker 1: names that they have that are all of a free agency.
Speaker 1: You know, I figured they'll bring one or two of
Speaker 1: those guys at least back. But again, like he's a
Speaker 1: running back class where you could pick your preference. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of different kinds to choose from. I know
Speaker 1: people love to mock Devanne Chain from Texas A and
Speaker 1: m the Miami dolphinsos because it's the speed, right, he's
Speaker 1: the fastest guy. He might run a four two here
Speaker 1: in any later this week, who should be absolutely exciting
Speaker 1: to see. But you know, he's on the board there,
Speaker 1: But there's plenty of other great running backs. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, I love a guy like Tank bigs Week
Speaker 1: from Auburn. I feel like he's an all around guy
Speaker 1: just didn't have a great offensive line in front of him,
Speaker 1: yet was still productive while he was a Dauburn. He
Speaker 1: is a player who I think brings you that size, strength,
Speaker 1: speed combination that is not getting talked about enough. So
Speaker 1: I like him a lot. Do you want a bigger back?
Speaker 1: Zach Scharbonnay from Ucla as a guy who I really
Speaker 1: like as well. You smile like one of Jordan or
Speaker 1: Ben mentioned him as well. So but it's hard, But
Speaker 1: it's hard. He's he's he's a great running back to love,
Speaker 1: but it's just there. There are so many two choose from.
Speaker 1: And I really do think fortunately for the Dolphins second round,
Speaker 1: third round, fourth round, sometime on day three, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to get a good one because
Speaker 1: it is a pretty deep class this year. No I
Speaker 1: smell because Scharbina, I fel like, is the one guy
Speaker 1: in college wall A Shore where it's like they actually
Speaker 1: just like almost like Dave wanstad back and they're like
Speaker 1: two thousand foot Dolphins. Give the ball to Zach Scharbonay
Speaker 1: and we'll see what else happens next. And it was
Speaker 1: so funny watching Sharbonnay, who is about six foot two,
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty five pounds. He transferred from Michigan
Speaker 1: to UCLA, and it is truly funny because he looks
Speaker 1: like a big ten back that you just plopped into
Speaker 1: the Pack twelve. And it's just it's a different, different
Speaker 1: style of player that he's just lower on the shoulder
Speaker 1: going through contact. And it's like, it's cool to see
Speaker 1: that smash mound style of football in the Pac twelve
Speaker 1: because if we don't go off to get that all
Speaker 1: that air raid, spread out stuff right actually right, just
Speaker 1: going right up the middle, and these guys aren't used
Speaker 1: to it. Well, speaking of the running game, one one
Speaker 1: thing the dolphinsive really well to last yround defense was
Speaker 1: to defend the run. Now we get Vic Fangio in
Speaker 1: and I want to talk about the defense. Some prospects
Speaker 1: they're here in a second. But first I haven't asked
Speaker 1: anybody that yet this question, but I'm curious to get
Speaker 1: your take on it is. You know, we've seen before
Speaker 1: these these young coaches bring in the veteran you know,
Speaker 1: either defensive coordinator, offensive cornation to kind of balance out
Speaker 1: that coaching staff. I think Sean McVay Wade Phillips is
Speaker 1: a great example. Yes, now you get Mike McDaniel, Vic Fangio.
Speaker 1: How can Vic help Mike get better at his job
Speaker 1: as all the experience of head coaching experience in ye.
Speaker 1: I mean he's like an NFL lifer, right, I mean
Speaker 1: he's just seen it all. He's seen so much of
Speaker 1: the evolution of the game, going all the way from
Speaker 1: a position coach to a coordinator up to head coach
Speaker 1: as well, and so like he gets it. And I
Speaker 1: think that too. Fangio obviously is in Miami because he
Speaker 1: wasn't as successful as both he and the Broncos wanted
Speaker 1: him to be, But like, learning from that experience could
Speaker 1: also be huge. Hey Mike, here are the things that
Speaker 1: did not work right and being able to take that
Speaker 1: to Miami and helping him in that regard. But I
Speaker 1: love the Sean McVay Wade Phillips action that you brought up.
Speaker 1: I feel like that could be very similar. It felt
Speaker 1: like it was a match made in heaven for so
Speaker 1: much success. Phillis who was able to get so much
Speaker 1: out of those superstars that we're in Los Angeles, and
Speaker 1: I feel the same about Vic Fangio, who is one
Speaker 1: of the most respected defensive minds that we've seen in
Speaker 1: the game over the last couple of decades. So Fangio
Speaker 1: is one of the best. Loved the combination of it.
Speaker 1: Loved what I saw from Mike McDaniel last year as well,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of that old school new school that
Speaker 1: might have a really great marriage in Miami. It's really
Speaker 1: fun to see the Dolphins just kind of get their
Speaker 1: targets the last couple of years, whether it was Tyreek,
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel, no, Vic Fangio, Toron Armstide was a big
Speaker 1: acquisition for us too, So yeah, kind of really getting
Speaker 1: our arts. It's fun when you take the swing because
Speaker 1: everybody loves to talk about free agency and coaches and
Speaker 1: I'm like, what about this guy? What about this guy?
Speaker 1: And it's fun to take the swing and get them
Speaker 1: to get the hits, you know, when it all comes together.
Speaker 1: So I imagine and now our roster, actually I've been
Speaker 1: talking about on the podcast, we have the most players
Speaker 1: on Your Guys Las Top one on one players list
Speaker 1: since PFF started. So a little plug there for PFF,
Speaker 1: little plug there for the mic. Good building, be good.
Speaker 1: Better be good, because I'm gonna make customs exactly our
Speaker 1: quarterback and top two receivers in the top fifty there.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and and continue on that theme there,
Speaker 1: because I've heard this and this is something you see
Speaker 1: on Twitter, like, oh, Vic Fangio is going to make
Speaker 1: it better for the Dolphins offense to practice against him,
Speaker 1: and that makes sense. Tell us why they'll give us
Speaker 1: the explation behind Yeah, I mean, I just think that
Speaker 1: Fangio is going to be able to throw a lot
Speaker 1: of different things at you. Again, like going back to
Speaker 1: his pedigree and how long he's been around in the league.
Speaker 1: He is figured out what works and what doesn't. I
Speaker 1: think that Fangio is one of those defensive coordinators who
Speaker 1: understands timings of things, understands when to be aggressive, and
Speaker 1: is able to do that in advantageous situations. And so
Speaker 1: I really do I think that it's a It's a
Speaker 1: great chess game. I come from Tampa Bay. I used
Speaker 1: to cover the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and when Todd Bowles
Speaker 1: is the defensive coordinator going up against Bruce Arians as
Speaker 1: a play caller and a head coach when they were
Speaker 1: kind of making their Super Bowl run. I had to
Speaker 1: imagine those practices were fun, man, going up against those
Speaker 1: two really smart minds. And I think that the iron
Speaker 1: sharpens iron quote that everybody talks about, that becomes very
Speaker 1: real when you get a offensive innovator like Mike McDaniel,
Speaker 1: who was always trying to push the envelope, always trying
Speaker 1: to do things different. And I do feel like there
Speaker 1: are going to be times when Mike McDaniel maybe try
Speaker 1: something and Fangio like already has an answer for it,
Speaker 1: and then like maybe from that it's like, Okay, well
Speaker 1: if I actually tweak this little thing, then there's not
Speaker 1: really a counter for it. And so just that back
Speaker 1: and forth is gonna be I think really fun for
Speaker 1: him too, really smart guys looking forward to seeing that.
Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of like a like the
Speaker 1: water Boy when he's like on the board drawn up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like he he fakes the fake he doesn't, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: goes yeah. Yes, that is gonna be night long, Yeah,
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to beat Vic Fangio's defense. So,
Speaker 1: on the topic of Vic Fangio's defense, were here at
Speaker 1: the combat we have to talk draft prospects, I think
Speaker 1: a couple of team needs. I've seen a lot of
Speaker 1: folks mentioned as linebacker, like off ball linebacker position. I
Speaker 1: mentioned the run defense was really good last year. Christian Wilkins,
Speaker 1: Zack Seeler off the edge, Jalen Phillips and Bradley Chubb
Speaker 1: and Emmanuel Ogball Ray Like the hits keep coming up front. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you can maybe see some some areas you can
Speaker 1: pop in some defenders in the back half of the defense. Linebacker, dB,
Speaker 1: let's go in start linebacker. Who do you like in
Speaker 1: that day two range for Miami. Well, the linebacker class
Speaker 1: is super interesting, and with Fangio doing a lot of
Speaker 1: different things and the defenses out of the ball, it
Speaker 1: opens up kind of a world of possibilities as a
Speaker 1: kind of player that he wants to draft. Because I
Speaker 1: was actually having this conversation with somebody the other day.
Speaker 1: For as much as there are a lot of linebackers too, like,
Speaker 1: there's not a ton of like pure off ball guys.
Speaker 1: You know. Henry to Too I think is one from Alabama,
Speaker 1: Jack Hambell is another from Iowa. Dorian Williams from Tulane, Like,
Speaker 1: those are three guys who are true off ball linebackers
Speaker 1: like they're guys who are gonna play in the tackle
Speaker 1: box and they play that traditional off ball linebacker position.
Speaker 1: But then you've got guys who are these hybrid players.
Speaker 1: You know, Drew Sanders from Arkansas is a guy who
Speaker 1: is kind of like an edge hybrid off ball linebacker
Speaker 1: hybrid trend Simpson feels like this like safety linebacker hybrid.
Speaker 1: Or DeMar Damaran Over shown from Texas same thing, like
Speaker 1: this safety linebacker hybrid. And so you almost have these
Speaker 1: two buckets for the linebacker class of hybrid players and
Speaker 1: then more true off ball in between the tackle kind
Speaker 1: of players. And so it really just depends what kind
Speaker 1: of guy they want to go for. And those are
Speaker 1: a handful of the names that maybe are at the
Speaker 1: top that I think that they might be targeting with
Speaker 1: a couple of early picks that they have on Day two.
Speaker 1: So that kind of would be the way that I
Speaker 1: answered that question is depending on what they're looking for
Speaker 1: from that linebacker position, those are the two buckets that
Speaker 1: they could choose from. You kind of describe Jerome Baker
Speaker 1: to Land the Roberts. There are current off ball linebackers
Speaker 1: will play the most last year, it's you get the
Speaker 1: thumber and you get the coverage speed. Let's get kind
Speaker 1: of exactly they're talking about the back part of the defense.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because you know, Josh Boyer and previously
Speaker 1: Brian Flores kind of built a defense back to front,
Speaker 1: and I would almost say that the Fangios defense that's
Speaker 1: traditionally have been more front to back in terms of
Speaker 1: the pressure because you got to get those four man
Speaker 1: pressure packages. But yeah, in terms of defensive backs, what
Speaker 1: do you think they're looking for? Because the injuries at
Speaker 1: cornerback just it wiped out most of the room for
Speaker 1: us last year, so we were playing guys that, you know,
Speaker 1: pulling guys up from the practice squad and trying to
Speaker 1: just get snaps from guys that were healthy. What do
Speaker 1: you think they're looking for at cornerback this year? Thankfully
Speaker 1: for them, this cornerback class is really good and really deep,
Speaker 1: like to the point where even though they're not picking
Speaker 1: in the first round, you could still get a starting
Speaker 1: cornerback in the second round. That's not often the case
Speaker 1: because corner is really becoming one of those premium positions
Speaker 1: in the league, especially the guys that can match up
Speaker 1: in man coverage but you know in that second round
Speaker 1: they're gonna have the chance to pick a guy like
Speaker 1: Clark Phillips from Utah, Deontay Banks from Maryland, maybe in
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Fours from Mississippi State. There's just a ton of
Speaker 1: corners that they're going to still have the opportunity to
Speaker 1: select that really could be starters from day one on
Speaker 1: the opposite side of Howard. So just depending on how
Speaker 1: things play out for them and where they want to
Speaker 1: align guys. But it's just this is a really good
Speaker 1: year to need a corner and like it for Miami's
Speaker 1: specific situation. Again, even them not having a first round pick,
Speaker 1: it's not the worst thing in the world. I really
Speaker 1: do think the cornerback class is the corner stone or
Speaker 1: where you boast what the twenty twenty three NFL Draft is.
Speaker 1: There's so many good ones to choose from, and yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: Christian Gonzalez, Devon Witherspoon, Joey Porter Junior, they're probably gonna
Speaker 1: be off the board, but that doesn't mean there's not
Speaker 1: gonna be some great ones to get even on day two.
Speaker 1: I feel like people mentioned about running back, tight end, corner,
Speaker 1: which is three of the needs I've heard that's it
Speaker 1: lined up very well for this where you have our
Speaker 1: biggest deeds, you know, according to to the expert Tiger.
Speaker 1: So Trevor second, up, PFF, what are you guys working on?
Speaker 1: What's coming up? Oh man, all kinds of stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: like we are. We are going hard on the Draft Guide,
Speaker 1: which I tell you bo all the time, like there's
Speaker 1: so many great draft resources out there, but of course
Speaker 1: ours comes with our unique PF data, So we're gonna
Speaker 1: be We've already released that, but we're making updates to
Speaker 1: it as we get information here at the combine, throughout
Speaker 1: all of the draft season, the pro days, all that
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Speaker 1: go get the Draft GUIDs, signature stats they do. It's
Speaker 1: better than anything you'll find out there. It's it's so
Speaker 1: valuable to have where they play their snaps at all
Speaker 1: those recents. It's really valuable. Stu pff. Trevor second, thank
Speaker 1: you for your time to appreciate him. In So, there's
Speaker 1: an interview that with Trevor Sikima Pro Football Focus. We
Speaker 1: are going to push off the Benjamin's Soulac interview until
Speaker 1: the Friday edition of the Drivetime podcast. I promise you
Speaker 1: will not want to miss that one. It's about eighteen
Speaker 1: and a half minutes, and we're gonna go ahead and
Speaker 1: anchor our coverage with that sit down because he was
Speaker 1: very informative and very really insightful on the Miami Dolphins operation,
Speaker 1: draft picks, offense, defense, and everything in between. So there
Speaker 1: you go. That's the end of the Thursday edition of
Speaker 1: the Drivetime episode from Combine here in Indianapolis. We're gonna
Speaker 1: go ahead and call it an episode. We'll be back
Speaker 1: with you guys tomorrow for that Ben Solac interview as
Speaker 1: well as my own takes here on the draft that's next.
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