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Speaker 2: Hey, I want to talk to you Jason about trust. Okay,

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Speaker 2: it's the theme of the first segment, if you will. Now,

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Speaker 2: I got a couple of examples, couple of subjects that

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Speaker 2: turn into a couple of questions. Right, So if you

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Speaker 2: look at this battle on Saturday, we'll start with the

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Speaker 2: NFL will weave our way to college football. Now, if

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Speaker 2: you look at this battle on Saturday between the Seahawks

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Speaker 2: and the forty nine ers, winner gets the division, winner

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Speaker 2: clinches the one seed, big steaks, big steaks. Who do

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Speaker 2: you trust more? Is it Sam Darnald or is it

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Speaker 2: that forty nine Ers defense? And it's one of these

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Speaker 2: like oh oh gosh, Like it's not easy to pick one.

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Speaker 2: But if you have to break the tie, do you

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Speaker 2: trust Donald or that forty nine Ers defense more?

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Speaker 3: Man? I think just because this is the time of

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Speaker 3: year where Sam Darnald has historically turned into a pumpkin. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's different with Jasi. I mean,

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Speaker 3: he's looked great this year and the forty nine Ers

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Speaker 3: defense definitely has been spotty. Man. That is a really

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Speaker 3: really tough question because there's reasons not to pick both.

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Speaker 3: But then you're just like, well, but San Francisco often

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Speaker 3: wins games, rises to occasions when you're least expecting it.

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Speaker 3: But then I'm watching Fred Warner in a varsity jacket

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Speaker 3: on TV on Sunday, so obviously he's not going to

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Speaker 3: be in a game, and I will take I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna do the weird. I'm gonna take Darnald. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna take Darnald. Maybe not by a lot, but

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Speaker 3: I think the connection that he has with with Barner

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Speaker 3: hand the ball off to Charbonnay, I'm not sure that

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Speaker 3: San Francisco is going to be particularly adept at stopping

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Speaker 3: to run. So I just I'm gonna go with what

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Speaker 3: Darnald has around him as much as him and just

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Speaker 3: give him the benefit of the doubt for one week

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Speaker 3: and say, all right, end of the season. This is

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Speaker 3: the one where you usually don't show up prove us wrong.

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Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, you know what I'm with you, and

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Speaker 3: I don't like it.

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Speaker 2: Not that I don't like being with Donald, right, I

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Speaker 2: love being with you, Jmar, but don't I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't love being on the Donald side. It feels weird.

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Speaker 2: You're just like you have nightmares going right back to

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Speaker 2: last season, same scenarios, right, yeah, I'm seeing ghosts with

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Speaker 2: the Jets. And then last season division on the line,

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Speaker 2: one set on the line, can you beat the Lions?

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Speaker 2: And it was a disaster. He played badly, He had

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Speaker 2: guys wide open in the end zone, couldn't get him

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Speaker 2: the football. They don't win the one seed. And then

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Speaker 2: the next week in the playoffs, right, he was even worse.

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Speaker 2: He took nine sacks in a loss against the Rams.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, these big stage games, you're like, oh gosh,

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Speaker 2: am I really going with Donald? But listen, Jackson, Smith

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Speaker 2: and Jigba has been fantastic. If that running game is

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Speaker 2: working anywhere near what it was last week against Carolina,

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Speaker 2: Charboney went crazy, Right, So if you've got that running

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Speaker 2: game cranked up, which you could against the forty nine

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Speaker 2: of Donald's plate. And I just look at this Niners defense, man,

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Speaker 2: they're dead last in the NFL. In sacks defensively. There,

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Speaker 2: they have eighteen sacks on the season. The Broncos have

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Speaker 2: sixty four. Like, now, that's that's first place, and that's

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Speaker 3: And they lost their main guy, right, I mean they

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Speaker 3: lost Nick Bosa, that's right. And he was the guy

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Speaker 3: She was such a disruptive force that you took him

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Speaker 3: out of the equation. And they just there's no teeth

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Speaker 3: on that front line, right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't free anybody up, right, like he right, he

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's completely different.

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Speaker 2: If you look at the Niners dead last in sacks,

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Speaker 3: Is that Jets pass rush fears him over there?

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Speaker 2: Like the Jets have twenty six sacks on the season,

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Speaker 2: the Niners have eighteen. That is just terrible. They just

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Speaker 2: up the forty nine ers. So what do you think

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think that is the smartest play

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Speaker 3: And look if Darnald can kind of shake off that

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Speaker 3: And and you know, eighteen sacks on the season is

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Speaker 3: barely one per game as a team. Not that's right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Miles Garrett is laughing at them, that's right

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Speaker 2: But Miles Garrett himself has more than the forty nine

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Speaker 3: Think one would think if you're Donald, you've got a

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Speaker 3: you're gonna have more of an opportunity in that spot.

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Speaker 3: If that's the case, like, just don't turn it over,

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Speaker 3: find the open man, and don't try to do too much.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's all the problem for the forty nine

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Speaker 3: gonna be playing against genius Shanahan and whatever he's got offensively,

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Speaker 3: and you're catching brock Party at a time where all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden he decided he's really good again. We'll

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Speaker 3: see whether or not that changes in a couple of weeks,

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Speaker 3: but you know, he's making all the plays and CMC

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Speaker 3: So you're gonna have to outscore them potentially, but that's

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Speaker 2: Okay, So let me give you another one here, Trust,

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Speaker 2: which coincidentally is a halfway decent Megadeth song. J Mart,

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Speaker 2: you know, no real metal, You're all over the medal.

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Speaker 3: There is that countdown to extinction where oh Megadeth, Oh gosh,

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Speaker 3: I think it's cryptic writings is what it is?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that one. Who do you trust more? The Steelers

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I know it. It's gonna be ugly here.

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Speaker 2: You gotta pick one. Who you got.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to get some an acid during the

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Speaker 3: break for the for the way this show has started

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Speaker 3: with these super questions. Oh yeah, student offensive Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 2: No Metcalf scored six points against the Browns.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna take Lamar. And the reason why if well,

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Speaker 3: if Lamar can play or whatever like that. But like,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna take Lamar simply because in this scenario, he

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Speaker 3: we're in the playoffs with all of what we've done, Dude,

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Speaker 3: I have Baltimore winning the Super Bowl this year. Wow. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so did my regular co host Aaron Torres. We both

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Speaker 3: picked Baltimore before the season, and I said this would

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Speaker 3: be the year that the Steelers didn't finish, this would

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Speaker 3: be the end of Tomlins streak. They're not gonna do that.

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Speaker 3: I ended up getting that wrong because for whatever. They

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Speaker 3: He certainly played pretty well in the last game. But

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna take Lamar because again, Lamar's got He's got

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Speaker 3: is Lamar can be Lamar without having to go for

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Speaker 3: Even if TJ. Watts is able to play in this game,

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Speaker 3: I like the chances of Lamar to pull one out

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Speaker 3: I'll take Lamar. I get it.

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Speaker 2: I totally understand what you're you're thinking on that one.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, but I just cannot trust Lamar. I don't

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Speaker 3: Whole That's what I'm saying. If he doesn't play, it

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Speaker 3: And how are you and Gina doing? Right? Oh? Man,

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Speaker 3: couldn't be better? A plus? Gonna give her a ring

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Speaker 3: next week, we're gonna get married. It's just like, oh, Okay,

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Speaker 3: you've oversold it. I'm sorry things are going poorly for you.

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Speaker 3: Like when I heard that, I immediately thought, oh, there's

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Speaker 3: a problem here, there's a problem in this relationship. There's

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Speaker 3: just this season has been rough on everybody involved. So

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Speaker 3: I don't think the vibes are particularly good right now. Now.

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Speaker 3: It's yeah, if you can believe it, A team with

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers, the vibes are better in twenty twenty five

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a man, that's a good point. If someone

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Speaker 2: you and Lisa all right, everything good, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: we have an A plus relationship. Whoever I said that

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Speaker 2: to would be like they're breaking up on place and

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Speaker 3: A that's right, it's it's over. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I just look, man, I don't trust the Steelers offense,

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Speaker 2: especially without DK. I mean, you saw what happened against

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Speaker 3: So I don't have great faith in them.

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Speaker 2: But that Ravens defense has not been like the you know,

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Speaker 2: the two thousand Ravens out there exactly right. They have

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Speaker 3: You let off with a couple of questions about Trusty,

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Speaker 3: So I want to stick with that theory and stick

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Speaker 3: We can kind of banter back and forth after each one.

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Speaker 2: Number eight, I would go Pete Golding. He's the errum

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Speaker 2: He's taking over for Lane Kiffen who left to take

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Speaker 3: It's a tough ask.

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Speaker 2: You're going up against Kirby Smart and the Dogs in

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Speaker 3: Like, that's a lot to ask of a guy.

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Speaker 2: Who's a former defensive coordinator and is now just your

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Speaker 3: That's a head coach of Old Miss. But if you're

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Speaker 3: I don't think I can actually win a title on

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Speaker 3: Pete Golding wins with that team, like imagine if they

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Speaker 3: like it does like it's I can't imagine at this

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Speaker 2: Football around this circus. Yeah, listen, I think that the

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Speaker 3: First was like an eight yeard touchdown. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So if they're able to beat Kirby Smart and Georgia,

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Speaker 2: that would really start some momentum of like, hey, let's

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Speaker 2: No Lane Kiff, And they might be even hate rooting

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Speaker 2: still think of Pete Golding as the interim guy. He's

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Speaker 2: they don't have an interim tech.

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Speaker 3: That's right. Hired him.

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Speaker 2: He was for a second and then they're like, you

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Speaker 2: He's the head guy, but he doesn't have head coaching experience.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, he's at the bottom of the list for me.

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Speaker 2: And going up against Kirby, that's a man. If you're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, could be the one to eight matchup A yeah.

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Speaker 2: Right, So if you're looking at a you know, like

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Speaker 3: That might be the way to go.

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Speaker 2: Might be the way to go if you're you're breaking

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Speaker 3: Right, so who do you have next? Who do you

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Speaker 3: I just just look at look at what's on the resume.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's not just being tight and being conservative to

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Speaker 2: tell you what real fast, Jason. As a Dolphins fan,

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Speaker 2: I was pleading with the football GUIDs in the twenty

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Speaker 2: And I watched every Oregon game I was in Portland.

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Speaker 2: I talked Ducks football all the time. I watched every game,

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Speaker 3: Dude, his final year, Herbert's final year at Oregon was baffling,

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Speaker 2: He's fantastic in the NFL. But christ of Ball is

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Speaker 3: It's so weird.

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Speaker 2: As a former offensive lineman, I would think it's almost

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Speaker 3: A way where it's like, let's go, we're aggressive here,

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Speaker 2: And the weird part about it is when they needed

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Speaker 2: and you win. And they didn't even do that. He's like,

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Speaker 2: let's run some running plays over here. They fumbled, Georgia

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Speaker 2: Tech scores a touchdown. It was a debacle. Mario Cristobal

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Speaker 2: cannot be trusted whatsoever. And that doesn't mean he's destined

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Speaker 2: to screw everything up, but as far as trust goes, no,

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Speaker 3: All Right, So those two we completely agree on. I

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Speaker 3: your number six, Ryan Day. Ah Man, I couldn't quite

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Speaker 3: get there, but yeah, yeah, I'm not shocked.

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Speaker 2: I'm not shocked the way I think of Ryan Day.

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Speaker 2: And I'm curious who your number six coach is in

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Speaker 2: the pyramid of trust. I love this is a great topic.

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Speaker 2: I go Ryan Day because listen, even though he's coming

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Speaker 2: Can't beat Michigan time and time and time again with

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00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 2: the much more talented team. I just can't think about

429
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 2: considering the late great bum Phillips, fantastic former NFL coach,

430
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 2: no longer with us, but he has one of the

431
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 2: famous quotes in all of football history. He was talking

432
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 2: about Don Shula and he said he can take his

433
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Speaker 2: in and beat Urine, and he can take.

434
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 3: Urine and beat his in, which means, if.

435
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 2: You translate the bum Philip bum Phillips vernacular, here, he's

436
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,360
Speaker 2: saying he can take your team. He can take his

437
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,400
Speaker 2: team and beat your team, and then he could also

438
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 2: take your team and beat his team.

439
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 3: The latter is.

440
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,400
Speaker 2: Something Ryan Day is completely incapable of doing. He can

441
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 2: take his team and beat your team and just out

442
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 2: talent you. He cannot take your team and beat his team.

443
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 2: He can't take the lesser talented team and beat a

444
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 2: more talented team. He had a hard time doing the

445
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 2: first part of it. Again, it's Michigan for years. So

446
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 2: I don't think highly of Ryan Day at all. He's

447
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 2: way too tight, He's way too conservative. You can feel

448
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 2: it as a team. The team gets tight in turn

449
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 2: because he's so tight. So yeah, I don't base this

450
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 2: on winning a title last season. He's got some things

451
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: in his favor, no doubt, but overall, no, I think

452
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 2: it's more so the byproduct of great talent instead of

453
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 2: great coaching.

454
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Speaker 3: So I've got him sixth on my list of trust.

455
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 3: All right, So I've got maguire. Yeah, And it's not

456
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 3: because I think he's a bad coach. It's just again,

457
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 3: I don't know enough. I mean, he's thirty five and

458
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 3: seventeen into Texas Tech. There's nothing wrong with that. We

459
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 3: understand why Texas Tech is still in this thing. We

460
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 3: knew what they were doing before the season. I had

461
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 3: them in my playoff. I felt like this was going

462
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 3: to be an experiment that if it worked, holy cow,

463
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 3: are we going to see. You know, at least if

464
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 3: you where you have deep pockets, if you have the

465
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 3: right kind of enthusiasm, you're going to see stuff like this.

466
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Speaker 3: But I mean, I just don't know an about what

467
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 3: he looks like on this level against this kind of competition. Yeah,

468
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 3: I'm not counting them out. I do have them losing

469
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 3: to Oregon, but I mean the defense is phenomenal. I

470
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 3: just don't trust the offense quite as much. He might

471
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 3: be great. I just at the very least I have

472
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 3: seen Ryan Day win a championship. I've seen him in

473
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 3: pressure moments. That doesn't always reflect the best on him,

474
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 3: to your point, but I just I know a little

475
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 3: bit more about Ryan Day to do Joey McGuire.

476
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Speaker 2: So that's why I would put McGuire six fair Enough,

477
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 2: I flip flopped him. I had Joey fifth on my

478
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 2: list for basically the same reasons you're talking about, where

479
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 2: he's done a really good job. They've had obviously a

480
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: phenomenal season. I just don't know enough about him come

481
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 2: playoff time and we're gonna get some answers here. So

482
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: it's more so the unknown with McGuire. So that's why

483
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: I just put Ryan Day sixth and then McGuire fifth.

484
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Speaker 3: On my list. Yeah, so I flipped him. Yeah, Now

485
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 3: it's a bad day at five for basically the same

486
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 3: reasons that you laid out. He's definitely not somebody who

487
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,959
Speaker 3: built the program from nothing like. He's somebody that at

488
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 3: the very least you could say he was on second

489
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 3: with a big lead towards third, but he was probably

490
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 3: already on third base when he took that job, hadn't

491
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 3: done a bad job. But you can look, I feel

492
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 3: like there are there's at least a handful of coaches

493
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 3: that could be in the same spot as he's been

494
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 3: and done almost exactly what he's done. That's right, So

495
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 3: I think that's what it is. I just don't know

496
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 3: that he has like distinguished himself as this gravitating force.

497
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 3: I mean with the talent that they have with and

498
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 3: he has built a great staff, but you know you're

499
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 3: losing a few of those guys now. So I definitely

500
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 3: agree with you and his decisions. When it comes to

501
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 3: just being conservative in big games, that's a real concern. Like,

502
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 3: with the talent you have, you should be aggressive all

503
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 3: the time, it feels like to me, and he's just

504
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 3: not been that way. So we don't have to belabor

505
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 3: just because you you made good points about him. So

506
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 3: who do you have fourth? Now is when it gets

507
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 3: pretty interesting. Yeah, I go Dan Lanning. I go with

508
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 3: the Oregon coach.

509
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 2: And listen, we're in the top half of trust, so

510
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with being fortune.

511
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 3: All these guys are good.

512
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd go with the Oregon head coach where he's

513
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 2: had a ton of regular season success. It's just we

514
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 2: haven't seen the playoff success. Obviously, they got blown out

515
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,959
Speaker 2: of the water against Ohio State last season. But what

516
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: I like about Lanning is, look, he's a grinder, and

517
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 2: I like it's. I like the tone that he sets

518
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 2: where he's, uh, he takes things personally.

519
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 3: You know.

520
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: I think it was a dumb quote, but I do

521
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 2: like that he's feisty. Where, yeah, they're getting ready to

522
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 2: play Colorado last year and he's like, they're fighting for clicks,

523
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: we're fighting for wins. I thought that was totally unfair.

524
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: But he's feisty, Like he's like that that yappy dog

525
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 2: that's a little bit bigger than the you know, he's

526
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: not quite a chihuahua, you know, he's like a mid

527
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 2: sized dog that's yappy and like, what's up?

528
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Speaker 3: You want something that?

529
00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: Right?

530
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Speaker 2: Like, that's that's Dan Lanning is a And I like

531
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: that in terms of like a twelve team college football

532
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 2: playoff and trying to emerge from this take it on

533
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 2: Texas Tech. I think that serves you well overall. It's

534
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 2: just we got to see more playoff success. So I'd

535
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: have him fourth on my list.

536
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: Okay, so I would too, and it's mainly just because

537
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 3: I want to see a couple more signature wins out

538
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 3: of his program. Right, most of the best games I've

539
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 3: seen him coachher games they've lost, and it's not because

540
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 3: he's been bad. I'm not including the Ohio State game

541
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 3: that was just I was insane last year at college

542
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 3: football plaoff. But like the battles with de Bors Washington

543
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 3: teams the Indiana lost this season, like he's done a

544
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 3: good job and losses, but they've lost most of those games.

545
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 3: I just want to see them. He's the guy I

546
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 3: want to see take the next step because I really

547
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 3: like him. I like the way he goes about what

548
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 3: he does. I like the confidence, borderline cockiness here and there,

549
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 3: but I think you kind of have to have a

550
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 3: little bit of that, and I like the way teams

551
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 3: play him. Saying that we were below the standard because

552
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 3: of the second half against James Madison did have me

553
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 3: roll my eyes because it's not like the starters are

554
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,479
Speaker 3: in the game at that point in time. And I

555
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 3: just think that was an overblown storyline that, oh, this

556
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 3: is getting close. I know it's a really not but yeah,

557
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,239
Speaker 3: I'm not going there but yeah, I've got Landing at

558
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 3: four as well. But I like him. This is kind

559
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 3: of the year where like, if they could step up

560
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: win a couple of couple of games from here, you

561
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 3: might have a completely different feeling about him. But I

562
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 3: love that the way that he's built that program, and

563
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 3: I like them going forward. So but I'm with you.

564
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 3: So I've got him at four. Yeah, who do you

565
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 3: have at three?

566
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: I went Kaylin to Bore and a couple of things

567
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: with this. I like Kaylin a lot. What he did

568
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,959
Speaker 2: at Washington very good, got to a championship game. They

569
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: crashed and burned against Michigan, but it's not a mortal

570
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: sin to lose to a Jim Harbaugh team that was

571
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 2: really good that season.

572
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 3: And I look at Kaylen now what I like about him.

573
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 3: He's aggressive, man.

574
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: He is not shy of being maybe even overly aggressive.

575
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: You go back to the Iron Bowl against Auburn this

576
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: season and they're going for it on fourth and two.

577
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: They didn't take the points, they didn't take a field

578
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: goal to take the lead. They went for it on

579
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: fourth and two. If he doesn't get that first down,

580
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: if they don't get that first down, and somehow Auburn

581
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: wins that game. J Mart, good lord, Like they are

582
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: ready to not just get him out of town, they

583
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: are ready to like end his days here on earth.

584
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 3: Is what they'd be ready to do. So for him to.

585
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 2: Make that gutsy of a call, which was like borderline

586
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: reckless to not take the points and go for it

587
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: on fourth and two, it worked out. But he is

588
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: not afraid at all to be public enemy number one.

589
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: He's like, I think this gives us the best chance

590
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: to win. So this is the decision. This is the call.

591
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: I really respect that about him. It's more so what

592
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: he has right now. Do I trust him with no

593
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: running game? Wait man, no pass rush?

594
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 3: With a quarterback in Tys Simpson who's been good most

595
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 3: of this year, but he's not Michael Pennock Jr. Right,

596
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 3: that's right, And they're overly relying on him.

597
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: He's been skittish, he's been inaccurate down the stretch. I

598
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: don't trust them at all in this spot. So that's

599
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: a big part of it as well.

600
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I agree with that, and I think that's

601
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: exactly the way to talk about it is. You can't

602
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: separate in a lot of these cases, but especially in

603
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 3: Alabama's case, you cannot separate the coach from what he

604
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 3: has on that team right now. And without Jam Miller,

605
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 3: they haven't ever run it at all. But even with

606
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 3: Jam they haven't been that good. The old line has

607
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 3: not been good, the defense has not been as advertised.

608
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 3: You can have them a lot in the passing game,

609
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 3: and then yeah, Simpson played his best early in the season.

610
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 3: Actually probably during the middle of the seasons, probably when

611
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 3: he really kind of hit his stride. But I mean,

612
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 3: Ryan Williams has disappeared completely on that team. I still

613
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 3: think Debor de Bor is just a different kind of guy.

614
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 3: Like when you listen to him and stuff, you like him,

615
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 3: you like him, you trust him, you like the way

616
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 3: he's doing things. But I think that's the difference between them,

617
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 3: is that when you look at uh, some of these

618
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 3: other guys, do Bor just doesn't have the horses this year.

619
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 3: That's right. I know, you look at you look at

620
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 3: that matchup with Indiana, You're like, but it's still Alabama.

621
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, it's Alabama in name only, It's not.

622
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: This is not that same Alabama team. I think I'm

623
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 3: gonna hold off. Okay, We're gonna go to break and

624
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 3: we'll come back and we'll do two in one, and

625
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 3: then I have at least one other question I want

626
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 3: to pose to you, like just based on something we

627
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 3: talked about the last time we hosted together. So two

628
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 3: and one, honestly, you could say two and one, you're

629
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 3: arguing between maybe the two best coaches in the sport

630
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 3: period at this point. Yeah, at least I think it's arguable.

631
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 3: There's a couple other guys you might want to throw

632
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: in there that didn't make the College Football Playoff. Don't

633
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: want to open up wounds about notre name, but Marcus

634
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 3: Freeman's definitely a good coach.

635
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and

636
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,000
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637
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,360
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638
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: You had a question that we didn't get to last second,

639
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: So let's let's tie off.

640
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 3: Let's let's get that. Uh, let's check that box real

641
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 3: quick and then we'll move on. Yeah, this is an

642
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: NFL question. Okay, Well, we hosted I think it was

643
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving when we hosted, and this came up. You called

644
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 3: the Bears frauds. You didn't forget you said they were

645
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: You said they were foogazy. Yeah, and you made a

646
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,479
Speaker 3: good case, right with the schedule and uh, the way

647
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 3: they've won late close games and all this kind of stuff.

648
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 3: I was just curious. And this isn't me calling you out.

649
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 3: I literally want to know if your take, if that

650
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 3: take has evolved based on what you've seen in the

651
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 3: last month, or if you're still side eyeing them a bit.

652
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 3: And this is kind of a trust question too, because

653
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 3: obviously they've won a lot of games. They played a

654
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 3: Game of the Year contender on Sunday Night Football. Clearly

655
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 3: they're better than they were last year. I'm not even

656
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 3: asking that question. I'm just what, how are you feeling

657
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: about the Bears now, now that you've gotten a little

658
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 3: bit more time to watch them.

659
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 2: I still feel the same way about this, Okay. I'll

660
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 2: put it this way. I like their offense even more

661
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: and I dislike their defense even more.

662
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 3: Okay, and I think that's gonna be their undoing.

663
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: You know, like, you can't, bro, you can't score thirty

664
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: eight points in a game and lose. Can't happen, And

665
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: it just did on the road against the forty nine ers.

666
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: You can't try. You can't have your offense. Hey guys,

667
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: you've scored thirty eight points. We're gonna need one more

668
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: touchdown though to win. It's like, bro, come on, defense,

669
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: you gotta do better than this. And they started off

670
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: the game with the pick six. They started up first

671
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: play of the game. They're up seven to nothing, and

672
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: they still gave up forty two points. Their defense cannot

673
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: stay above water without forcing turnover after turnover after turnover.

674
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: I don't trust their defense at all, Man, And you

675
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: can't walk into the playoffs, even though it's wide open

676
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: this year, it's not as wide open in the NFC,

677
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: I don't think. And you just can't play no defense

678
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,959
Speaker 2: and expect to go anywhere. So no, I think they're

679
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 2: total fools, gold Man, I don't think alright.

680
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: I was just curious if you had changed it all.

681
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 3: Like I said, it wasn't like a call out thing. Yeah, yeah,

682
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 3: because I mean, obviously they've won games. I literally just

683
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 3: wanted to know how you felt about them right now,

684
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 3: because we're so close to the end of the regular season.

685
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 3: How about you, What do you think of the Bears.

686
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 3: I just think you call it fools, gold I call

687
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 3: it house money right now. Yeah, I understand. I don't

688
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 3: believe in championship windows because things can change on a dime.

689
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 3: And what you're seeing this year, especially with the Bears

690
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 3: winning so many close games, is not something that generally

691
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 3: translates year after year after year. But this is better

692
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 3: than any Bears fan could have possibly hoped already. Like Williams,

693
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 3: no doubt r for real. I mean, but like Caleb

694
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 3: Williams was broken last year, right right, there were people

695
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 3: talking about him being a bust. Everybody's talking about Jayden

696
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: Daniels and all this, and like all he's done is

697
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 3: come back and been a whole lot more like the

698
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 3: Caleb that you liked in college. Yeah, he's still Yeah,

699
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 3: there's some things where you still want to see him

700
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 3: be more consistent, but he's doing less of the stuff

701
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 3: that used to truly irritate you, holding the ball too

702
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 3: long and some of the things that he was doing.

703
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 3: He's being smarter with the ball. He's got a decent

704
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 3: chemistry I think with his receivers. And look, I mean,

705
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 3: considering what the Lions were and then you take their

706
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 3: OC and you're sitting there about to win that division,

707
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 3: which coming into the year was maybe going to be

708
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 3: the most competitive division in football. Even though you didn't

709
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 3: know what you were going to get with JJ McCarthy

710
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 3: in year one, you know what O'Connell is as a coach,

711
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 3: and you know what kind of weapons they had on

712
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 3: that team. The Packers, even though I've never been a giant,

713
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 3: Jordan love guy Lafleur's done a lot of really good

714
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 3: things there. You then go get Micah Parsons at the deadline,

715
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 3: and then the Lions were my pick in the NFC

716
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 3: to go face the Ravens in the Super Bowl. Crazy,

717
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 3: and it's the It's the freaking Chicago Bears. They're gonna

718
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 3: win that division before. They don't even have to do

719
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 3: anything this week to win that. It's incredible to me.

720
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is wild how it went down. And listen,

721
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: the Bears are well ahead of schedule. They've done a

722
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 2: lot of great things, but man, you just you gotta

723
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 2: be realistic about what's gonna happen in the playoffs when

724
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 2: they don't play defense. They've won six games with come

725
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: from behind wins in the final two minutes. Yeah, that's crazy,

726
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 2: that's crazy, and that's great. Hats off to them. They've

727
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 2: done it. With some great play. They've done it with

728
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: some fluky plays, right, but they recovered an on sidekick

729
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 2: against the Packers. Nobody recovers on sidekick, so there's been

730
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: some weird stuff that just is unsustainable. And that's how

731
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 2: I look at the Bears man heading into the playoffs.

732
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 2: A lot of their formula for success is totally unsustainable.

733
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: So no, I haven't readjusted. I don't think there's a

734
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 2: need to readjust on the Bears. I think they're total

735
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: frauds in terms of like they're gonna have great playoff

736
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 2: success in your one of the Ben Johnson regime.

737
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 3: I just don't think they are man. I don't think

738
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 3: they have the goods too