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Speaker 6: Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval in

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Speaker 2: Ask yourself, what is my tank and what is my purpose?

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Speaker 1: If that answer is to save my country, this country

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Speaker 2: hosting today May twenty eighth of Our Lord twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Always love the hot takes from Norm Eyesen. I guess

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Speaker 10: Amen, you're speaking my language. So I think to kind

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Speaker 3: And you know, when you and I buy.

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Speaker 7: Something, if we join like a subscription service, or if

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Speaker 7: we decide to post content online, it's all pursued into

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Speaker 7: a like a form of contract that we enter into

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Speaker 7: with the platforms, and that requires us to hold our

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Speaker 7: end of the bargain as users, but it also requires to.

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Speaker 3: Platforms to abide by their terms of service.

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Speaker 7: And so one of the things that I think is

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Speaker 7: really important for us to find out is we're big

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Speaker 7: online platforms making censorship decisions that were contrary to the

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Speaker 7: promises they were making people in their terms of service.

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Speaker 3: And so that's part of what this request for information.

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Speaker 7: Was, where you know, are you a user, did you

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Speaker 7: experience censorship that was inconsistent with the terms you had

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Speaker 7: signed up for when you use the platform? And then

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Speaker 7: the second thing and that's because one of the laws

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Speaker 7: that the FTC enforces prohibits deceptive acts and practices, and

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Speaker 7: you know, a classic example of deception is promising a

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Speaker 7: consumer you're going to do one thing in order to

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Speaker 7: get that consumer to use your product or service, and

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Speaker 7: then not living up to your promises. So that's one

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Speaker 7: of the things that we're interested in hearing about.

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Speaker 9: And then the.

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Speaker 7: Second is, you know a lot of censorship decisions made

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Speaker 7: to the catastrophe of twenty twenty and in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 7: were sort of seemed to be made in lockstep, like a

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Speaker 7: lot of these platforms had seemingly identical censorship, you know,

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Speaker 7: content moderation as they like to call it, policies, and

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Speaker 7: the antitrust laws categorically forbid, you know, colluting with your

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Speaker 7: competitors to injure consumers. And so one of the things

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Speaker 7: that we are trying to figure out was was there

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Speaker 7: potentially collusion among big tech platforms to set you know,

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Speaker 7: here are all the ideas that we're collectively going to

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Speaker 7: permit on our platform, and here are all the ideas

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Speaker 7: that we aren't. Rather than competing with each other, which

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Speaker 7: is the whole notion of American free enterprise is based

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Speaker 7: on competition, rather than competing with each other to convince

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Speaker 7: consumers to use their products. They were you know, the

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Speaker 7: question that I think we need to figure out is

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Speaker 7: we're platforms, you know, agreeing amongst each other not to

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Speaker 7: compete on free speech grounds, not to encourage users to

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Speaker 7: come on to share their ideas, but that some ideas

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Speaker 7: we're going to be permitted and others were not. So

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Speaker 7: we've we we've had this request for information out. We've

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Speaker 7: gone thousands of comments and you know, we've been reviewing

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Speaker 7: them as they come in, and you know, a lot

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Speaker 7: of them were consumer commenters explaining, you know, how they

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Speaker 7: suffered under the censorship cartel. But we also got comments

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Speaker 7: And one of the most consistent accusations level the FTC

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Speaker 7: that I've seen is that the Supreme Court already said

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Speaker 7: that government is not allowed to police content moderation.

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Speaker 3: And they all point to.

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Speaker 7: This decision the Supreme Court decided two years ago called

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Speaker 7: Net Choice against Paxton, and that case was about a

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Speaker 7: Florida law and a Texas law that regulated censorship decisions

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Speaker 7: directly said, you can't make censorship.

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Speaker 2: If you're coming up with a break. If I can

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Speaker 2: hold you through it just for one more minute, I

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Speaker 2: know the audio censorship is not a victimless crime. I

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Speaker 2: think our audience has probably ground zero for a lot

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Speaker 2: of that. We'll be right back after the short break.

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Speaker 2: More on the H one B's Mike Ben's Pack Show,

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Speaker 2: don't go anywhere. We'll right back war Use your host,

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Speaker 2: Stephen k. Welcome back to the war Room, where, of

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Speaker 2: course you got to be checking out Birch gold dot com,

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Speaker 2: slash Bannon texting ban into nine to eight nine eight,

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Speaker 2: nine to eight. Gold has always been a hedge find

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Speaker 2: out why. I talked to Philip Patrick and the team

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Speaker 2: chairman Ferguson just a minute or two left with you.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure our audience, I know the chat. If they

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Speaker 2: want to submit comments or reach out to you guys,

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Speaker 2: or just talk all things censorship with you guys, where

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Speaker 2: can they go to do that? And just real brief,

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Speaker 2: what do you think the sort of expected timeline on

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Speaker 2: these investigations, the just talking to these platforms, What do

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Speaker 2: you think that that looks like in terms of actually

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Speaker 2: getting to the bottom of the Censorship Industrial Complex.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can go.

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Speaker 7: To FTC dot gov. There's a link to get to

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Speaker 7: the RFI. In terms of timeline, Look, we're reviewing the

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Speaker 7: comments and I can't generally comment about, you know, ongoing

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Speaker 7: law enforcement investigations. But I think what I can say

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Speaker 7: is I don't think that there's any agency of the

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Speaker 7: government that is taking more seriously and directing more resources

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Speaker 7: to trying to get to the bottom of the censorship

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Speaker 7: crisis and making sure that the circumstances of twenty twenty

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Speaker 7: never repeat themselves. And I'm not the censorship police. I'm

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Speaker 7: not the speech police, but I am the market power police.

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Speaker 7: And if market powers contributing to censorship, the FTC is

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Speaker 7: going to get to the bottom of it.

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Speaker 3: That's what the President sent me here to do, and

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Speaker 3: that's what I'm going to do.

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Speaker 2: I think the posse as do. I thank you for

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Speaker 2: everything you guys have been doing. If they want to

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Speaker 2: follow you and keep up today with everything you're working on,

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Speaker 2: where can they go to do that?

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Speaker 7: A ferguson FTC is my Twitter handle and that's where

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Speaker 7: we post a lot of our stuff.

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Speaker 3: So follow me there.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. We'll have you back on soon.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Nlie.

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Speaker 2: Honored to be joined now by someone whose work I

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Speaker 2: have read for a very long time, wonderful or really

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Speaker 2: has been out of the curve writing legal information gathering

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Speaker 2: on all things visas. That is John Miana, who I

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Speaker 2: think we have up now. John. I think this is

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Speaker 2: your first time on Warrim. I can't believe it's been

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Speaker 2: so long overdue. But obviously we're hearing about how the

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Speaker 2: State Department is doing all these unique visa programs to

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Speaker 2: defer or stop all foreign students, the deportations of people

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Speaker 2: who are writing op eds. There's a lot of chatter,

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Speaker 2: yet in the same breath we're seeing what is it,

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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty thousand at least publicly announced. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure there's more than the spouses and the kids, the

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Speaker 2: whole thing, but h one B visa is being announced.

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Speaker 2: Can you sort of walk the audience through your take

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Speaker 2: on that as someone who has followed this issue for

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Speaker 2: a very very long time, and if there's anything that

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Speaker 2: we can do about it.

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Speaker 9: Yes, Ali's great to be here for the first time.

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Speaker 9: I've admired your work for a long time as well. Well,

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Speaker 9: What's I mean the big thing that people are aware

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Speaker 9: of is the H one B visa program, and the

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Speaker 9: H one B program is designed to replace Americans with

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Speaker 9: chief foreign workers. The tech industry got Congress to an

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Speaker 9: act legislation making it legal to replace Americans with these

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Speaker 9: foreign workers and to pay these foreign workers very low wages.

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Speaker 9: The only problem with the HMB program from their perspective

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Speaker 9: is their limits on the number of visas. So what

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Speaker 9: they've been doing is going behind Congress.

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Speaker 8: And going to the deep state, the administrative.

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Speaker 9: State, to create work programs through regulation. And the Great

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Speaker 9: God Obama in twenty fifteen proclaimed from on high that

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Speaker 9: the executive has unlimited authority to allow aliens to work

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Speaker 9: through regulation, so they can create these new work programs.

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Speaker 9: One of these is the most famous for this is

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Speaker 9: the DAKA program. The one that I'm involved in right

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Speaker 9: now is is.

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Speaker 8: Work permits for H one B spouses.

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Speaker 9: So not only do the H and B workers get

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Speaker 9: to work entirely through regulation with no approval for Congress,

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Speaker 9: we have regulations allowing spouses of HMB workers to work.

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Speaker 9: And we now brought this challenge to the Supreme Court, and

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Speaker 9: this is now the sixth challenges brought to the Supreme

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Speaker 9: Court asking whether the executive does have this power to

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Speaker 9: allow work through regulation. And unfortunately, over the past ten years,

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Speaker 9: I've said, in spite of this being issued, being repeatedly

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Speaker 9: brought to Supreme Court, of the Supreme Court has punted

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Speaker 9: every time and not decided. They've either refuse to take

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Speaker 9: the cases or they have not decided the issue when

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Speaker 9: they have taken cases. So now we have this great

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Speaker 9: immigration chaos. So each time we create one of these

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Speaker 9: work programs, their lawsuits challenging whether the work.

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Speaker 8: Rem is valid.

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Speaker 9: The people coming in on the work program then sue

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Speaker 9: the states for benefits like in state tuition, drivers licenses,

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Speaker 9: and then when someone like President Trump tries to get

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Speaker 9: rid of these programs, they.

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Speaker 8: Get sued on that end.

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Speaker 9: So because of legal chaos of uncertainly a law that

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Speaker 9: the Supreme Court is allowed to create, we're basically our

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Speaker 9: self sustaining ourselves with lawsuits right now.

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Speaker 2: So what does the Trump administration need to do to

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Speaker 2: sort out this issue and is resolving it legally through

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court the cases you guys have going on?

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Speaker 2: Is that the best way that provides the most cover.

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Speaker 8: Well, that's what I mean.

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Speaker 9: Our great hope is that we presume that this use

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Speaker 9: of the administrative state to undermine average American workers is

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Speaker 9: contrary to the concepts of MEGA and that the response

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Speaker 9: of the Trump administration will be to tell.

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Speaker 8: This report, Yeah, you need to hear this so that

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Speaker 8: we can.

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Speaker 9: End these endless work programs, you know, DOCA, Biden's parole

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Speaker 9: program that have have been created and are now self sustaining.

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Speaker 9: The other issue though, with the Trump administration is that,

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Speaker 9: you know, they seem to have have done a flip

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Speaker 9: flop on.

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Speaker 8: H one B visus.

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Speaker 9: You know, when Trump ran for president in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 9: he campaigned with people who've been replaced by H one

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Speaker 9: B workers and promised he'd get rid of H one B.

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Speaker 9: Now we see him saying that he's all in support

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Speaker 9: of H one B. And it's very troubling because, I mean,

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Speaker 9: we're to see Donald Trump, of all people out there,

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Speaker 9: saying I support replacing Americans with chief foreign workers.

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Speaker 8: So that's quite scary, because you know, Donald.

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Speaker 9: Trump can't get rid of this H one B cesspool,

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Speaker 9: then what is it going to take.

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Speaker 2: Just curious last question before I let you go. If

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Speaker 2: you compare contrast what the Biden regime did in terms

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Speaker 2: of you know, raising the cops or just I'm not

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Speaker 2: even talking illegal immigration, legal immigration, the HMB, all the

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Speaker 2: various programs that they've rolled out. What is sort of

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Speaker 2: the disparity between what the Trump administration is doing on

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Speaker 2: that front right now versus what Biden is doing? In

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Speaker 2: other words, are right now are they sort of proceeding

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Speaker 2: at the same pace in terms of importing these foreign

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Speaker 2: workers or has a Trump administration done anything meaningful yet

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Speaker 2: to slow down basically the great replacement of the American worker.

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Speaker 8: Well, sadly, I have.

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Speaker 9: To say is that the what you can say about

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Speaker 9: Donald Trump hasn't made things worse that basically every president

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Speaker 9: since the first Bush has been making things worse and

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Speaker 9: worse for American workers. Immigration levels in the United States

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Speaker 9: are just absurdly high, and it's one of the primary

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Speaker 9: reasons why the average American has not seen a pay

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Speaker 9: raise since about nineteen nineteen seventy.

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Speaker 8: So, I mean, one.

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Speaker 9: Of the bright signs during the first Trump administration is

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Speaker 9: that President Trump did step in and block the TVA

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Speaker 9: from replacing Americans with H one B workers, but there

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Speaker 9: was no substantive regulation, no cutback on any of these

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Speaker 9: programs through regulations. The curb of the Trump things just

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Speaker 9: basically stayed the same, and right now they're staying the same,

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Speaker 9: you know, Like Trump has tried to get rid of

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Speaker 9: the Biden parole program that under Obama. He Obama's created

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Speaker 9: work permits for people on parole.

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Speaker 8: You see, the ability to ability to work is the

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Speaker 8: ability to stay.

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Speaker 9: So parole was originally tended for short term stays in

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Speaker 9: the United States to come in here like have emergency

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Speaker 9: surgery or some something that the legal system couldn't account for.

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Speaker 9: But the Obama administration allowed these people to have work permits,

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Speaker 9: which allows in theory, then if you can work, you

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Speaker 9: could stay in definitely on parole. And then Biden was

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Speaker 9: flowing thirty thousand people a year into the United States

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Speaker 9: and parole. And it's Trump now is trying to get

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Speaker 9: rid of this program. But the Court is even blocked

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Speaker 9: by the courts. So I mean, this is why it's

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Speaker 9: important for the Supreme Court to say yes or no.

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Speaker 9: The administrative state can create these programs or not. And

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Speaker 9: either way, you know, yes or no. A yes decision

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Speaker 9: limit its limits litigation. A no decision limits litigation. But

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Speaker 9: the Supreme Court's current path of doing nothing for its

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Speaker 9: infinite litigation, and you can see this is just one

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Speaker 9: part of the massive chaos in immigration and the court's

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Speaker 9: going on right now.

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Speaker 2: John, I know the audience's heads are blowing up. Say

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Speaker 2: the H one B issue is probably my priv radicalized

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Speaker 2: to your book sold out. I think it's back in

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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. It's truer every day if people want to

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Speaker 2: get the book. Stay up to date with everything you're

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Speaker 2: working on the case. I know you occasionally write, I

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Speaker 2: think for Center for Immigration Studies. I see on there

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Speaker 2: sometimes where can people go to keep up with your work?

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Speaker 9: I want to keep up with legal stuff we get

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Speaker 9: is the Immiration Reform Law Institute early as you're correct,

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Speaker 9: I write try it as frequently as I have time,

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Speaker 9: or the Center for Immigration Studies sayis dot org. And

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Speaker 9: also I've been working with US tech workers on some

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Speaker 9: discrimination cases involving hm b is as well.

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Speaker 8: And you can find me agitating on Twitter as well

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Speaker 8: on H one B.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, sir for joining us, and honor thank you

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Speaker 2: for having me. Of course, I think we are joined

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Speaker 2: now by Mike Ben's We've got a few minutes. I'm

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Speaker 2: just going to tee you up. I'm sure by now

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Speaker 2: everyone's seen what the State Department has done in terms

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Speaker 2: of re sending not just all foreign suit and visas,

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Speaker 2: but also visas for people involved in the censorship of Americans.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts, sir.

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Speaker 6: This is a shot across the bow at the government

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Speaker 6: censors around the world. This is supplies to Europe, This

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Speaker 6: supplies to Latin America, this applies to Brazil. We are facing,

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Speaker 6: as we are solving, the censorship crisis here in the

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Speaker 6: United States. The US sensors and exile have fled to

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Speaker 6: their inpower government allies in foreign governments to use foreign

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Speaker 6: censorship laws to coerce American social media companies and American

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Speaker 6: citizens about what they can and cannot post online. And

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Speaker 6: I'm overjoyed to see free speech diplomacy pouring out of

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Speaker 6: this State Department, not just from their shutdown of the

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Speaker 6: Global Engagement Center and its remnants, the reorganization of the

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Speaker 6: State Department, through the down of the Democracy Rights and

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Speaker 6: the Labor Group, which was a major global censorship vector,

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Speaker 6: the shutdown of USAID, and the billions of censorship funding

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Speaker 6: that ultimately poured out out of that organ But now

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Speaker 6: they are sending a message to global speech regulators that

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Speaker 6: we will fight back if they try to enforce the

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Speaker 6: clause of foreign law speech control against American social media companies.

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Speaker 6: Right now, the EU, the Code of Practice on Disinformation

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Speaker 6: will be mandatory in just one month's time in the

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Speaker 6: European Union. This is the secret weapon of the global

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Speaker 6: sensors to be able to get back control over x

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Speaker 6: and Facebook and Instagram after the free speech efforts by

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Speaker 6: Elon and to some extent, Mark Zuckerberg. And this is

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Speaker 6: a message that if EU regulators decide to go too

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Speaker 6: far on that they will be persona on grata here

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Speaker 6: in the US, they will not be able to visit

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Speaker 6: their little vacation homes in Miami or Martha's Vineyard or

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Speaker 6: New York City. And as well as especially to the

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Speaker 6: nation of Brazil, which is currently completely captive by a

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Speaker 6: rogue Brazilian Supreme Court who happens to work directly with

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Speaker 6: the former US State Department, as well as little State

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Speaker 6: Department spawns at Harvard University, such as Bjoso, the head

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Speaker 6: of their Supreme Court and Alejandro de Marius, who was

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Speaker 6: working with half a dozen US censorship NGOs as he

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Speaker 6: was the head of the censorship sector of the Brazilian

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Speaker 6: Supreme Court, and it's looking.

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Speaker 2: Like, Mike, we've got to break. You know, the audience

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Speaker 2: is going to kill me for interrupting you. But don't

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Speaker 2: go anywhere. He will be with us. After this short

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Speaker 2: commercial break. We'll be right back Mike Benz on the

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Speaker 2: other side. Use your host, Stephen. Welcome back to the

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Speaker 2: war room. Quick programming note for those of you who

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Speaker 2: are blessed enough to be on the West Coast living

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Speaker 2: in Washington State, I and James O'Keeffe are actually going

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Speaker 2: to be sin say co headlining. He could be the headliner.

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Speaker 2: I'll be the opening act. He obviously has wonderful work

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Speaker 2: in Yakima, Washington for their kind of Lincoln Day dinner,

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Speaker 2: Yakima dot gop for the tickets August ninth meet and

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Speaker 2: Greats Dinner, all the fun stuff. I always look forward

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Speaker 2: to getting to meet the posse in person, in the flesh.

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Speaker 2: It's so fun. Remember they what took years of our

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Speaker 2: lives away from us when they said we couldn't meet

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Speaker 2: in person, so we got to make up for lost time.

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Speaker 2: And of course in the Washington area, I think the

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Speaker 2: FBI has been opening a ton of investigations into targeted

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Speaker 2: violence against Christians coming at the hands of you guessed

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Speaker 2: it Antifa, which I guess is just a euphemistic word

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Speaker 2: nowadays for the Democratic Party. That's Akama dot gop August ninth,

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Speaker 2: Come see me, James O'Keeffe, who knows, maybe some special guests,

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Speaker 2: Maybe Mike Bens he's always traveling. Well, maybe he'll have

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Speaker 2: to come by and say hi. Though I would demand

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Speaker 2: that you wear tux like you did I think one

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Speaker 2: time here on the war room. Mike, we've got a

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Speaker 2: few minutes left. You were just getting to the good stuff.

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Speaker 2: If you want to pick up where you left off

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Speaker 2: on this whole, you know, using visa warfare, that's what

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Speaker 2: we'll call it.

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Speaker 6: Yes, well, but this is a appropriate escalation for the

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Speaker 6: attacks on American sovereignty that are being done by foreign

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Speaker 6: governments and their US shadow cabinet, shadow diplomacy, allied core

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Speaker 6: within the blob of the United States. And the fact

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Speaker 6: is is a message has to be sent that if

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Speaker 6: you attack us, you're not welcome here. If you attack us,

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Speaker 6: there'll be consequences for you. And this is done in

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Speaker 6: the name of American values. This is the sort of

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Speaker 6: thing that the US was doing constantly in the twentieth

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Speaker 6: century to promote free speech and to fight against autocratic

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Speaker 6: governments who would censor the speech of their citizens and journalists.

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Speaker 6: And frankly, I think that much more needs to be

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Speaker 6: done on this front. And while this is incredible action,

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Speaker 6: the fact is, if you look at a case like Brazil,

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Speaker 6: Brazil is one of the most severe examples of government

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Speaker 6: abuse of censorship to imprison and to mass censor tens

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Speaker 6: of millions of citizens in Brazil in order to keep

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Speaker 6: the inpower government, which is highly corrupt, from being exposed.

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Speaker 6: In fact, the judges even ruled the Marias in Brazil

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Speaker 6: that calling Lula corrupt is effectively against the law because

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Speaker 6: it might impact elections if you are if you allege

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Speaker 6: that that president is corrupt. Now you could call Bolsonnaro

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Speaker 6: corrupt and others from his party. But the fact is

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Speaker 6: is there are many levels of coordination and cooperation between

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Speaker 6: the US and Brazil. Obviously at the state department layer,

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Speaker 6: it's a very very critical one and I was also

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Speaker 6: delighted to see the US Embassy in Brazil echo Secretary

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Speaker 6: Rubio's message about the visa stoppage. I believe sanctions are

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Speaker 6: also likely a necessary part of the toolkit to be

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Speaker 6: applied so that it's not just the visas, but that

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Speaker 6: there are economic inducements. And beyond that, I believe that

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Speaker 6: cooperation between the US military and the Brazilian military needs

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Speaker 6: to be addressed. The fact is is Brazil's military is

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Speaker 6: completely reliant on the US. They get their equipment, they

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Speaker 6: get their training, they're the second largest military in the

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Speaker 6: Western Hemisphere, and they've had a total free check while

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Speaker 6: the human rights abuses in Brazil continue. I believe that

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Speaker 6: can continue no longer. In addition to that, I believe

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Speaker 6: that Brazil's involvement in the international narcotics trade has to

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Speaker 6: be examined by this government. The PCC cartel is already

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Speaker 6: infiltrating here in Miami and is a big part of

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Speaker 6: this decision. I should say of this cartel soup that

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Speaker 6: the Trump administration has been focused on to get rid

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Speaker 6: of illegal narcotics by declaring drug gangs to be terrorists, Well,

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Speaker 6: there's a big, fat one in Brazil, and I believe

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Speaker 6: that that should also be a focus of this as well.

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Speaker 6: Given that the head of that cartel, the PCC Cartel,

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Speaker 6: actually said in a recorded video that he hoped that

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Speaker 6: Lula would win because it was better for his own business.

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Speaker 6: It appears that the Lula regime is protecting the Narco gangs,

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Speaker 6: and I believe that's a national security threat to the

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Speaker 6: United States of America.

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Speaker 2: Mike Ben's you break things down like most people can't

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Speaker 2: or frankly probably don't want to, because I don't know

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Speaker 2: about you. All this stuff is so hard to track,

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Speaker 2: and they make it that way by design. But we're

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Speaker 2: very grateful for the analysis ins that you bring to

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Speaker 2: the worm. If people want to follow you and get

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Speaker 2: much more of it, where can they go to do that?

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 6: Fall me on x at Mike Ben's cyber.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. I'm just giving out confidence left and

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Speaker 2: right today. Thank you so much for joining us. That's

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Speaker 2: a good day, despite the fact that Congressional Republicans suck

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Speaker 2: and are doing absolutely nothing except plunging this country further

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Speaker 2: into you know, at least have the nerd. At least

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Speaker 2: Democrats are forthright with their depravity and perversion and weird sexualities.

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Speaker 2: I guess so what I'm about to say is twofold

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Speaker 2: Republicans lie to you, not just frankly about that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, what they're doing in their extracurricular activities.

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Speaker 2: But they insult your intelligence when they make you think

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Speaker 2: that just because they take a selfie with Elon and

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Speaker 2: join the Doge Caucus, that we're not going to notice

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Speaker 2: that they want to send what hundreds of billions of

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Speaker 2: dollars to Ukraine and think that USAID is how we're

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Speaker 2: going to advance soft power and defeat the Chinese Communist Party. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's doing so well in Africa. What upwards a ninety

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Speaker 2: ninety percent of countries signed onto the Belton Road Initiative. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I guess by DC metrics that's probably efficient and effective.

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Speaker 2: We're not buying it here in the war room, but

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Speaker 2: what we are buying in the war room. How's that

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Speaker 2: for a segue? Is my hello? Michae Lindell joins us

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Speaker 2: now from outside a courthouse, the Denver Courthouse. I believe

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Speaker 2: hit us with the latest in your life and what

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Speaker 2: he's got going on at my pill. You got about

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Speaker 2: a minute and a half.

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Speaker 5: Okay, real quick, everybody, remember I work personally with President

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Speaker 5: Wolsonaro in person. There's an example of a country if

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Speaker 5: you don't get to pay per ballots, hand count of

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Speaker 5: what can happen to here in the US. One hundred

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Speaker 5: and thirty two countries have banned electronic forty machines. I

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Speaker 5: have bought this for five years and here I am

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Speaker 5: at the courthouse, this in Denver color of the Federal Courthouse.

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Speaker 5: This coming Monday, my pillow and myself go to jury

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Speaker 5: trial and we need your help. Is this in Beame

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Speaker 5: sheets that we have in the inventory. We're going to

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Speaker 5: run this for forty nine ninety eight just to generate

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Speaker 5: resources for this trial. We have to win everybody. This

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Speaker 5: will be the gateway to saving our country. I really

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Speaker 5: believe that. I told our president we will not let

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Speaker 5: your four years be in vain. Forty nine ninety eight,

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Speaker 5: any size, any color.

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Speaker 8: Drama cote, warm room.

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Speaker 5: And then also I'm gonna give you if you buy

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Speaker 5: the dream sheets. If you buy one hundred dollars or more,

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Speaker 2: thanks for hanging me. Steve's taking six. I'll see you

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Speaker 2: guys soon.