WEBVTT - Ba Q&A: The Mentorship Scam.

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<v Speaker 3>We got y'all. I am so excited about today's questions.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like Tiffany is like rolling her shoulders back

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<v Speaker 3>and she is ready to tackle one in particular. Scan guys,

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<v Speaker 3>But let's get on into it. Let's not waste another second.

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<v Speaker 3>Our first question comes from IG from listener Corinne, who says, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>ba fam, I am currently in a challenge with some

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<v Speaker 3>financial influencers. They are dropping all kinds of knowledge and

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<v Speaker 3>it's exciting while also overwhelming. I want to soak up

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<v Speaker 3>all the knowledge. They're talking about a mentorship that sounds

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<v Speaker 3>like it will be tens of thousands of dollars. My

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<v Speaker 3>first question is our mentorship's worth the price? And number two?

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<v Speaker 3>Like I said, they're giving so much info again on

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<v Speaker 3>how to gain new revenue streams, multiply your money, etc.

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<v Speaker 3>But much of what they're talking about is taking out

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<v Speaker 3>a loan or a credit card to fund another loan

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<v Speaker 3>or credit card and create this snowball effect. My credit

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<v Speaker 3>is fair because of previously living off of credit cards

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<v Speaker 3>when I was first starting out in late payments from

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<v Speaker 3>my husband being laid off during COVID. Do I focus

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<v Speaker 3>on just repairing my credits or before I start to

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<v Speaker 3>follow their strategies. Thanks?

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<v Speaker 1>I love your show.

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<v Speaker 3>I just started listening in the last few months, and

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<v Speaker 3>I've gone back through the older podcast because you guys

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<v Speaker 3>are great. Thanks Karen. I never heard of an opposite

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<v Speaker 3>debt snowball. This is this is more like a debt shovel.

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<v Speaker 3>You just take the shovel and you scoop out the

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<v Speaker 3>snow and you bury yourself in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the thin, Karn.

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<v Speaker 2>This makes me a little uncomfortable because I know some

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<v Speaker 2>folks who participate in this, and you're right, they are

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<v Speaker 2>gearing up to a mentorship program that's tens of thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Now here's the thing, here's the thing we started off friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, here's the thing, karm Our mentionorship program's worth the

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<v Speaker 2>price some of them are.

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<v Speaker 1>Y'all know.

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<v Speaker 2>I got my mentor Tiffany dot com. It's ten bucks

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<v Speaker 2>a month. Honestly, I just pour in whenever I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like pouring in. And you know, it's for people who

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<v Speaker 2>are in business. Certainly, it's probably not as intense as

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<v Speaker 2>this one because it's ten bucks a month. But the

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<v Speaker 2>thing is, there is a shift happy happening in black

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<v Speaker 2>and brown finance that makes me a little uncomfortable. So

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<v Speaker 2>I follow, and I suggest, you know, anyone who's like

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<v Speaker 2>interested to follow this YouTube channel called coffee Zilla. It's

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<v Speaker 2>this young guy and he tracks and follows scam artists,

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<v Speaker 2>digital scam artists, you know like these, and exposes them.

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<v Speaker 2>And so for like the last I would say at

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<v Speaker 2>least five or six years, I've just been watching his

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<v Speaker 2>videos and just watching and then what I started to

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<v Speaker 2>notice a few years ago is because he most because

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<v Speaker 2>he's a white man himself, many of the people that

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<v Speaker 2>he tracks, almost all of them are white as well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because affinity. But what I started to notice

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<v Speaker 2>is some of the tricks that I would watch that

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<v Speaker 2>were happening in that community to start it to filter

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<v Speaker 2>over to the black and brown community.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost like we were getting it delayed.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like if you're down south and you get like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, hip hop late, you know, because this is

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<v Speaker 2>back in the day before all streaming and everything else,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, like New York, it's the first because

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<v Speaker 2>it's produced here.

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<v Speaker 1>So I started to notice that and.

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<v Speaker 2>I realized, uh huh, that it's like a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the and I'm not going to say scam, but a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the unreputable ways to do business, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because it is profitable for the person to do business

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<v Speaker 2>in that way. Now here's what I will say, because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to speak on you know, whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not this is a scam or not, but I will

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<v Speaker 2>say this is that a lot of people teach folks

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<v Speaker 2>how to have a business, but the only way they're

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<v Speaker 2>making money is teaching you how to have a business.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that make sense?

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<v Speaker 2>Meaning like I'm mentoring like I'm doing like like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>ten bucks a month, But I've had a business for

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen years that has grossed over thirty million dollars, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I feel very comfortable mentoring in business. And even then,

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<v Speaker 2>you know it's light because I'm still in the head

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<v Speaker 2>in them, in the throes of my business. But I

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<v Speaker 2>feel comfortable teaching from a place of like, my business

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<v Speaker 2>is not the mentoring program. That's not where I'm making, like,

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<v Speaker 2>not even a quarter of my income. It's from the

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<v Speaker 2>actual business. And so I look when I'm looking for

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<v Speaker 2>if it was me and I'm looking for a mentorship program,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wanting to know that prior to this, where was

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<v Speaker 2>your income coming from in mass Because if it's upselling me,

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<v Speaker 2>then how can you teach me how to have a

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<v Speaker 2>business outside of this loop that you've created, Because what

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<v Speaker 2>I have seen is a lot of folks who are

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<v Speaker 2>teaching this a mentorship kind of like play, they too,

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<v Speaker 2>have then paid someone else a lot of money for

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<v Speaker 2>mentorship play. So it's it's almost like there's a loop happening.

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<v Speaker 2>But where's the actual business acumen coming from, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in any business that requires you to take out a

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<v Speaker 2>loan or credit card, especially because there are some businesses

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<v Speaker 2>that you are going to need funding for, but to

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<v Speaker 2>lean in to taking out a credit card. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not saying that there are businesses that have done that,

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<v Speaker 2>but it makes me a little bit nervous that that

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<v Speaker 2>is the core financial foundation that they're suggesting.

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<v Speaker 1>To start a business, if that makes sense. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I just.

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<v Speaker 2>Would be very very very mindful because one, it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be thousands of dollars, maybe even tens of thousands.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've heard of some of these mentorship programs

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<v Speaker 2>being fifty thousand dollars for the year. So it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be I promise you that's what they're gearing up for.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's one two, on top of the ten, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five whatever they're going to ask you for, they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to have you take at a loan or credit

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<v Speaker 2>card to fund your business. So you're gonna have debt

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<v Speaker 2>on top of debt before you've even started. That makes

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<v Speaker 2>me really nervous, especially because you have it sounds like you,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you have some personal financial things that you

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<v Speaker 2>are slowly, but surely I'm working toward. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>just like I said, I feels uncomfortable because I know

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<v Speaker 2>some of the folks that are doing this, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just like, I'm not here to drag them or dog

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<v Speaker 2>them or whatever, but I am here to protect you

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<v Speaker 2>and say, you know, I want you to use discernment

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<v Speaker 2>and that I like to see if I can make

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<v Speaker 2>it work with the free stuff you give me, then

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<v Speaker 2>potentially I will potentially be open to investing further. Like

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<v Speaker 2>if you look at Mandy and what she's done, she

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<v Speaker 2>gives a lot of free information away and you're like, oh, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>this was really helpful, and so is it worth you know,

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<v Speaker 2>potentially will I make my money back if I invest

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<v Speaker 2>with working you know, with Mandy's money makers. Same thing

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<v Speaker 2>with me, you know, like is it Will I make

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<v Speaker 2>my money back if I invest with the Literature Academy,

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<v Speaker 2>if I invest my money you know, with my mentor Tiffany.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just I just say, to be mindful and

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<v Speaker 2>a business that requires you to take out an extraordinary

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<v Speaker 2>I'm out of debt, risky debt at that. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>it just doesn't sit well with me, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>hate that this trend is coming to our community. But

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<v Speaker 2>anybody who's wanting go ahead and listen to like watch

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<v Speaker 2>coffee Zillow. Like I probably tune it maybe like once

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<v Speaker 2>a quarter just to see, like what are the new scams,

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<v Speaker 2>so I can keep my eyes open so I don't

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<v Speaker 2>partner with folks who are not in alignment with how

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<v Speaker 2>I want to navigate within this community.

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<v Speaker 1>Hope.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's like a fine line between a scam and

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<v Speaker 3>just something that's not the right fit for someone sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>or just like the like a program finding the person

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<v Speaker 3>who maybe wants it to be something that it's not. Yeah, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, sometimes I think it's on us as

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<v Speaker 3>influence influencers and educators to really be honest and forthcoming

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<v Speaker 3>about exactly what people can expect before they spend their money.

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<v Speaker 3>And so often these these services and products are not refundable,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think it takes so much trust. And if

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<v Speaker 3>you're someone who's who's new to you, like you've found

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<v Speaker 3>this program or this person's challenge or their webinar or whatnot,

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<v Speaker 3>and then you've taken it and you enjoyed yourself and

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<v Speaker 3>they're selling you something at the end, Like there's no

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<v Speaker 3>knock to that hustle at all. That's how a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of us make our money. But I would allow yourself

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<v Speaker 3>as much time as possible to get to know that

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<v Speaker 3>person and get to know their background, and like Tiffany said,

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<v Speaker 3>like ask those questions. You're selling me this strategy or

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<v Speaker 3>this program, but what have you built and what are

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<v Speaker 3>your credentials? And or not credentials, but you know, what

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<v Speaker 3>is the proof of your concept? What is the proof

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<v Speaker 3>of what it is that you're selling me that this

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<v Speaker 3>will actually add? Are their testimonials?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 3>Do they seem like they're legit? Can I find not

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<v Speaker 3>just how many followers they have? Followers can be bought,

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<v Speaker 3>but can I find real people? Can you even reach

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<v Speaker 3>out to folks who've gone through it and get their feedback?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, did they think it was? That's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of money to invest. And I worry too about the

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<v Speaker 3>time that we're in. I feel like these programs do

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<v Speaker 3>better during times of economic uncertainty and especially in like

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<v Speaker 3>our communities, because I feel like they target this desperation

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<v Speaker 3>and this need to like get ahead or to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>quickly make money to make up for a lack And

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<v Speaker 3>that's where it gets to be I think like can

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<v Speaker 3>be predatory and like nefarious, and I think we do

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<v Speaker 3>have to protect yourselves, protect ourselves. And I'm glad that

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<v Speaker 3>you wrote us in a question about this. I would say,

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<v Speaker 3>give like more time before I'm coming out of pocket

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<v Speaker 3>thousands of dollars. I'm going to know everything about your

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<v Speaker 3>blood type. You know, I want to Here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>If it's if something is good, it's going to be good.

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<v Speaker 2>People ask me that all the time. Oh, Tiffany, should

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<v Speaker 2>I do like it's told so real estate fund? And

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<v Speaker 2>I told everybody I don't know, but I know this.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have to rush it. I don't mind being

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<v Speaker 2>on the B team when it comes to investing in something.

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<v Speaker 2>And also too, I like Mandy's in business. Now, Mandy,

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<v Speaker 2>have you paid tens of thousands of dollars for mentorship?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely not exactly and I have not.

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<v Speaker 2>So now I have a business coach now that I

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<v Speaker 2>certainly paid a lot of money too, But that was

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<v Speaker 2>after I was thirteen years into the business. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I say all that to say, too, you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to typically spend a ton now. Sometimes spending certainly will

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<v Speaker 2>help to expedite the process and I'm not saying that

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<v Speaker 2>this is a scam. What I am saying is that

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<v Speaker 2>I just want you to know that there are tools

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<v Speaker 2>and resources out there that you know, might be less

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<v Speaker 2>expensive you could dip your baby toe in, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and also to sometimes even free. That before I invested

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of money, I would invest a ton of

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<v Speaker 2>sweat equity, a ton of time in sweat sweat equity,

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<v Speaker 2>and as much low cost free things as I could

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<v Speaker 2>before I invested a ton of money into into like

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<v Speaker 2>a masterminding or you know, or or or or anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that, I promise you, just because you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have been ready. You're one year two in business,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, to put thirty ten it would have been

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<v Speaker 2>lost money. And I've lost money like that, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I'm just like, yeah, just just be careful

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<v Speaker 2>and tell everybody be careful because the financial industry for

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<v Speaker 2>black and brown spaces, it's really making me sad these days,

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<v Speaker 2>because there are folks who I wouldn't have thought are

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<v Speaker 2>doing things that are not illegal but not really aligned

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<v Speaker 2>with how I've normally known them to operate.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it just makes me like a little bit sad.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're just gonna have to practice more discernment to

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<v Speaker 2>not get caught up in the hype because a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Are being wealthy, are getting wealthy.

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<v Speaker 2>Offering advice about the advice, not the thing itself, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, Like a business about how to

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<v Speaker 2>start a business, and I'm like, well, what's your actual business?

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<v Speaker 1>What did you do before this?

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<v Speaker 3>Did you had tried to be a career coach fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>years ago?

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<v Speaker 2>Literally, but man is a career coach now because she

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<v Speaker 2>has all of this experience, like you know, so now

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<v Speaker 2>she can do this, you know, over ten years of

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<v Speaker 2>experience of like actually doing what she's coaching too.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you child, like I said, I'm be no.

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<v Speaker 1>One half of them, and I'm like, you just started last.

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<v Speaker 3>Week, Yetta said him straight.

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>I think your gut was telling you to ask a friend.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad that we were your friends that you asked,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, ask someone. And if your gut is telling you, man,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going trust this enough yet. Just follow your

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<v Speaker 3>gut until you do have enough trust to then invest

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<v Speaker 3>that much money. And if you're asking you for that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of price tag, I'm saying, they owe you a

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<v Speaker 3>Q and a phone call, I do free Q and

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<v Speaker 3>as for all my all my program participants, because I'm

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<v Speaker 3>like I'm asking you to spend money, at the least

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<v Speaker 3>I can do is talk to you beforehand. Well, thank

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<v Speaker 3>you Career for your question, and good luck out there, y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay woke. Check out cafe? Was it coffee Zilla? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Coffee Zilla?

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<v Speaker 3>M coffee Zilla? All right, let's take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 3>You break, and we'll be right back with more ba

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<v Speaker 3>Q and a all right, ba fan, We are back

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<v Speaker 3>with our last question of the day. We're gonna take

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<v Speaker 3>it to an anonymous listener from IG who says, Hey, hey, y'all,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a big van y'all's podcast. I am an IT

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<v Speaker 3>lead at my new job, and previously I was an

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<v Speaker 3>infrastructure engineer. I'm thinking about taking up a graveyard shift

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<v Speaker 3>engineer role to earn more as well as to keep

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<v Speaker 3>my technical skills alive since as a lead I haven't

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<v Speaker 3>been doing much of that. The issue is, since my

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<v Speaker 3>resume states my current role as an IT lead, I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like I'm not getting much traction with recruiters. How

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<v Speaker 3>would you advise that I state my experience slash work

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<v Speaker 3>at history on my resume appreciate the help, think and

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<v Speaker 3>love you guys. Okay, so, as an IT lead, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>branding is everything, especially for the OPM. I mean that's

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<v Speaker 3>some free advice. I'll tell you that for free, no

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<v Speaker 3>doubts as far as needed. And the way that you

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<v Speaker 3>brand yourself, especially on your resume but even more on LinkedIn,

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<v Speaker 3>is super important to be sure, like you said, you're

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<v Speaker 3>getting that traction with recruiters. So I would take the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that it's been crickets on the recruiter front and say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe my title itself is not doing my work product

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<v Speaker 3>justice and you can add you can you can add

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<v Speaker 3>more language around your title to show like the technical skills.

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<v Speaker 1>That you have.

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<v Speaker 3>But I would beef up everything underneath your job title

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<v Speaker 3>to show your technical skills. Yeah, having especially on a

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<v Speaker 3>technical resume or on LinkedIn, have a special skills section

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<v Speaker 3>where you list out whatever software you're you know, your

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<v Speaker 3>expert in, or whatever tools you you constantly use, because

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<v Speaker 3>I promise you recruiters are just going to be scanning quickly,

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<v Speaker 3>like my client works in this software, which want to

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<v Speaker 3>be sure, you know, or my company works in this software.

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<v Speaker 3>We want to be sure that this person is proficient in that,

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<v Speaker 3>So have a skills box. Make sure that you are

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<v Speaker 3>not just describing the technical skills that you have, but

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<v Speaker 3>how you've used them to drive like your business impact

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<v Speaker 3>and if it Yeah, and just making sure that you're

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<v Speaker 3>not hiding all that information because it could be that

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<v Speaker 3>one one recruiter sees IT lead and isn't thinking that

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<v Speaker 3>they have all the experience that you have because maybe

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<v Speaker 3>in their experience and IT leader isn't doing all that

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<v Speaker 3>technical stuff. So you have to like help them form

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<v Speaker 3>a really clear picture of what you've done and what

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<v Speaker 3>the impact has done, and make sure that that brand

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<v Speaker 3>is strong so they know exactly where to go for

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<v Speaker 3>their amazing roles.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmmm, honestly, where Mandy's at, that's that's great. Like if

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<v Speaker 2>I was hiring, you're right, sometimes there are certain titles,

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't know what that means, but listing exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what skill sets that you have, because I've definitely gotten misled,

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<v Speaker 2>if you will, because someone's had a title and I'm like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and then oh, I don't know how to use that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like wait what, Oh I don't know how to

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<v Speaker 2>use that, So it just would have behooved me to

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<v Speaker 2>ask those specific things. So having that listed, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I can use Excel and this and that and CAMPA

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<v Speaker 2>and and you know, Facebook ads or whatever it is

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<v Speaker 2>I was looking for at that time. Yeah, having that

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<v Speaker 2>clearly listed allows the employers to get really clear on

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<v Speaker 2>these these are the specific skills we need. This person

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't even if it doesn't typically align with the title

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<v Speaker 2>the job title of what they had before.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, good luck to you, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe you were getting more Yeah, I feel like if

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<v Speaker 3>it was maybe getting more traction when he had engineer

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<v Speaker 3>in the title of his job description. And I wonder

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes I've had clients who, like, sometimes at companies that

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<v Speaker 3>are older or even like academic institutions or government agencies,

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<v Speaker 3>they have just old, crusty titles and they're not really

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<v Speaker 3>keeping up with the title in the marketplace today. So

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<v Speaker 3>that's something maybe you could even ask for, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>negotiate going into your next role or the one that

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<v Speaker 3>you have, is a title change that would better position you,

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's just maybe people are calling instead of it leads,

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<v Speaker 3>they're calling it something else, and you can have, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a title that would attract the kind of job that

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<v Speaker 3>you're wanting right now. But thing really clearly like when

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<v Speaker 3>I when I I craft my LinkedIn or when I

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<v Speaker 3>was crafting my resume in my career, I wasn't thinking

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<v Speaker 3>about the job I had. I was always thinking like

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<v Speaker 3>what's going to impress my next opportunity? Like what's going

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<v Speaker 3>to impress the person who has my next opportunity and

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<v Speaker 3>make them want to, you know, have a conversation with me?

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, I think people are not thinking that far ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's what I will say. Thank you are so

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<v Speaker 3>smart man.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh before we go, don't forget July twenty eighth, It

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<v Speaker 3>Like a question mark at the end of that title,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, ooh, I like that, the Recession Day YouTube life.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you whether to cry or to celebrate. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>Week, all right, Bye, bye, Hey ba fan.

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<v Speaker 3>We could not do this show without your support or

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<v Speaker 3>Ambission Podcast is produced by Cumulus podcast Network. It's edited

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<v Speaker 3>am Bandy Woodard Santos, your co host, and I will

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<v Speaker 3>see y'all next week