Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Okay, okay, everybody knows
Speaker 1: what is going on with Ukraine and Russia, but do
Speaker 1: you really know what it's like to deal with Ukraine
Speaker 1: and Russia? While we have someone with us today who does.
Speaker 1: We've had her on before. It is Rebecca Koffler. She
Speaker 1: is a Russian born strategic military and intelligence and analyst
Speaker 1: and the author of the book Putin's Playbook, Russia's Secret
Speaker 1: Plan to Defeat America. She also has her own podcast,
Speaker 1: it's on x It's called Censored But Not Silence. Rebecca,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming back on in the
Speaker 1: midst of all the craziness going on with Russia and Ukraine.
Speaker 2: Of course, happy to be here over you and your audience, Tutor,
Speaker 2: and you're indeed correct, lots of craziness last few days.
Speaker 1: Well, so let's get into this because I think everybody
Speaker 1: goes this was one of Trump's promises. He's got to
Speaker 1: come through on this promise. He has to do it quickly.
Speaker 1: I would argue, you know, he did say he would
Speaker 1: do it quickly, but this is a president who has
Speaker 1: four years to get things done and he wants to
Speaker 1: do it correctly. He wants to make sure this war
Speaker 1: is finished and move on from it. But how do
Speaker 1: you negotiate with a Putin and a Zolenski.
Speaker 2: Well, with all due respect to President Trump, and I
Speaker 2: do have high respect for him, he is a talented negotiate,
Speaker 2: a highly skilled business leader. He's dealt with characters all
Speaker 2: over the world. But Putin is a completely different animal.
Speaker 2: He's different than anyone Trump has dealt with before. Zolensky
Speaker 2: has proved himself to be an extremely talented actor, but
Speaker 2: he's a con artist. And Trump really really needs to
Speaker 2: understand what he got himself into by promising on his
Speaker 2: campaign trail that he needs he wanted to do this
Speaker 2: in twenty four hours, he boxed himself in. And who
Speaker 2: knows that Trump boxed himself in. And that's why putn't
Speaker 2: believe he has leverage, in addition to all kinds of
Speaker 2: other things that give Putent leverage. So these are sanctuary
Speaker 2: old problems and we just think that we're going to
Speaker 2: waltz in and just solve it just like that. Well,
Speaker 2: how did that work out for us? In Afghanistan? After
Speaker 2: twenty years, two point two trillion dollars and six thousand
Speaker 2: American lives. We pulled out, and the same lunatics with
Speaker 2: towers in their head are still ruling the country, except
Speaker 2: they have eighty five billion dollars of top SECREDEO supportment. Okay,
Speaker 2: how many times are we're going to repeat in the
Speaker 2: rock we spent five trillion dollars And this is just math.
Speaker 2: So at some point you would think that whoever, and
Speaker 2: again it's not a slamer President Trump, but who are
Speaker 2: the people who are advising him? Who are those people?
Speaker 2: Why wasn't he warned? Why didn't they do their homework?
Speaker 2: And I suspect that they didn't. They need to LEAs
Speaker 2: some come to Jesus here, not just in Russia and Ukraine,
Speaker 2: but in all these other foreign wars.
Speaker 1: So are you are you saying then that you think
Speaker 1: that Putin is going to keep going until he has Ukraine?
Speaker 1: Is he trying to reconnect the Soviet Union? I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you probably understand Putin's mindset better than most?
Speaker 1: What is his plan? The What would you have told
Speaker 1: Donald Trump? I guess I'm saying, oh.
Speaker 2: Well, I would have told if I had all the
Speaker 2: time in the world. What if he had all the
Speaker 2: time in the world, I would advise Donald Trump to
Speaker 2: read my book, Pudin's Playbook. It's precisely the reason why
Speaker 2: I wrote this book, because I was exasperated when I
Speaker 2: was serving as an intelligence officer back in the Diiadas,
Speaker 2: the military counterpart to CIA. Right. And I personally brief
Speaker 2: NATO in September twenty thirteen in Brussels. Right. And not
Speaker 2: only that, I briefed President Obama's White House Staff, National
Speaker 2: Security Council, scores and scores of combatant commands, European Command,
Speaker 2: Northern Command that supposedly is protecting US homeland from missile strikes,
Speaker 2: but they missed the balloon, the spy balloon, and all
Speaker 2: of those people. And I laid it out very clear
Speaker 2: what pulice plans were Putin wants to restore what the
Speaker 2: Russians call a strategic security perimeter, on which Russia re
Speaker 2: line for centuries for each security What is the strategic
Speaker 2: security pertometer. It's their version of the Monroe doctrine. Just
Speaker 2: like we wouldn't allow China or Russia station military hardware
Speaker 2: as close to the US as Canada or Mexico. Neither
Speaker 2: would Putin, and Putin never made it a secret. He's
Speaker 2: been saying it ever since he became president. Ukraine is
Speaker 2: the red line. Ukraine is the red line. Ukraine is
Speaker 2: the red line. Now Washington, the experts proceeded to push
Speaker 2: Ukraine into NATO. Why Ukraine has not part our vital interests?
Speaker 2: What does the mean vital interest US security and prosperity.
Speaker 2: I no way shall performed dependent on Ukraine. Why push
Speaker 2: them in to NADO? Why empowerish US tax base by
Speaker 2: saying the billions of dollars to the country that is
Speaker 2: not even a NATO LA. It's not an LA at all.
Speaker 1: So you're saying that Putin is telling the United States,
Speaker 1: which he did tell President Trump, I want you to
Speaker 1: stop sending weapons to Ukraine. Ukraine is off limits. Just
Speaker 1: leave it there. Now you've got the rest of the
Speaker 1: world going, my gosh. If you don't protect Ukraine, if
Speaker 1: Ukraine has no weapons, then Russia is just gonna barrel
Speaker 1: through and take Ukraine and then move on to Poland.
Speaker 1: And that's the fear that I think is what you're
Speaker 1: hearing from the mainstream media. That is the fear. And
Speaker 1: certainly when he says, okay, I promise I won't bomb
Speaker 1: any more energy infrastructure, and then hours later, they go
Speaker 1: with drones and they bomb energy infrastructure in Ukraine. Then
Speaker 1: that leaves you wondering, Okay, if you have nothing there,
Speaker 1: does he power through? Does he then go onto Poland?
Speaker 1: Is what's your analysis of that?
Speaker 2: So, first of all, I am exasperated with the mainstream
Speaker 2: media because they give you three to five miles to
Speaker 2: explain highly complex issues. I mean, I wrote a three
Speaker 2: hundred plus page book on this. How can you explain that?
Speaker 2: And the whole narrative that the mainstream media has built
Speaker 2: is so primitive. Putin bat Zelenski good, Russia bad Ukraine?
Speaker 2: Well they both bad? Okay, Oh, let's just unpack this.
Speaker 2: It's nonsense. Whoever said that Putin was going to barrel
Speaker 2: through Europe it just simply doesn't understand what they're talking about.
Speaker 2: Putin is not suicidal the minute he crossed and I
Speaker 2: would he would never do that, Okay, he would never
Speaker 2: cross and Natle countries. Why is that? There's a thing
Speaker 2: called Article five Collective Defense. If he were to do
Speaker 2: that and either launch an encourasion into Poland, into the
Speaker 2: politics and any of those countries, it would trigger Article
Speaker 2: five and then the US would be obligated to place
Speaker 2: troops into their battlefield. Putin does not want to face
Speaker 2: US military, which is the best war fighting force in
Speaker 2: military history, because then he would need to cross the
Speaker 2: nuclear threshold, which is precisely why pultn't developed a highly
Speaker 2: sophisticated nuclear doctrine, right, because he wants to deter US
Speaker 2: from meddling and what the Russians perceived as they a
Speaker 2: sphere of influence the way that we view our mineral
Speaker 2: doctrine area. Right. So no, Putin who wants to do
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to reconstitute the USSI in the sense
Speaker 2: that that he doesn't want to make it one country.
Speaker 2: But what he does want he wants NATO stay out
Speaker 2: of these countries and make them neutral. If there was
Speaker 2: a promise made to put it before the war, right,
Speaker 2: that an illegal guarantee. They don't work on promises. So
Speaker 2: that Ukraine is neutral, there would be no war.
Speaker 1: Why does he want that? I mean, what what is
Speaker 1: the what I mean there was before the war. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like there were a lot of people cheering on
Speaker 1: Ukraine to go after Russia. Why did they invade?
Speaker 2: Very simple, like I said, strategic security program which has
Speaker 2: reduced from a thousand miles with the collapse of the
Speaker 2: Soviet Union to one hundred miles. That is a shorter
Speaker 2: distance between Washington, d C. And New York City. Can
Speaker 2: you imagine Russia or China being in New York City
Speaker 2: close to New York City? Right? So, CIA was building bases,
Speaker 2: operating bases in Ukraine. They were training Ukrainian soldiers in
Speaker 2: NATO tactics how to fight. They were training on weapons
Speaker 2: systems to make sure that they are synchronized, that at
Speaker 2: the fire control level. But the Ukrainian knows how to
Speaker 2: operate those system So who I was watching all that?
Speaker 2: And in addition to that, everybody knows what happened in
Speaker 2: Ukraine back in twenty fourteen when the queen of Color
Speaker 2: revolution for a new Land, Hillary Clinton State Department stay
Speaker 2: a color revolution there and removed the democratically elected president
Speaker 2: and installed a new one. And so Zelenski has basically
Speaker 2: become our puppet. But then he took medicine to his
Speaker 2: own hands, because like I said, he's a con artist.
Speaker 2: He's been using this gravy train to rich himself. I mean,
Speaker 2: out of three hundred and fifty billion, only seventy one
Speaker 2: billion made it to Silenskin according to his own works right.
Speaker 2: So basically we are conned by everybody here and not
Speaker 2: including the Europeans, because the Europeans never wanted to pay
Speaker 2: for their own security. After I briefed them personally NATO
Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen, just months prior to the two Putin's
Speaker 2: invasion of Crimea, they didn't stir a finger if they
Speaker 2: developed a counter strategy, beefed up, the forced pasture started,
Speaker 2: you know, transitioning onto a wartime footing like like Potted
Speaker 2: to transition his military economy. They are now producing more
Speaker 2: missiles in three months than the entire NATO alliance the
Speaker 2: United States, including in one year. The Europeans didn't do that.
Speaker 2: They didn't even pay for their own security. At that point,
Speaker 2: only eight countries out of thirty paid even two percent.
Speaker 2: To this day, to the Germany, the richest country in Europe,
Speaker 2: does not pay two percent because they think we're suckers.
Speaker 2: We're just going to continue pumping in. You know, they're
Speaker 2: used to having their own three months vacations and have
Speaker 2: US basically defend them. And that's why Persident Trump said
Speaker 2: enough is enough.
Speaker 1: Not my mind, I mean, and I agree these NATO countries.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think most people once they hear the
Speaker 1: actual story of you know how little NATO is paid
Speaker 1: for the protection of the United States and the United
Speaker 1: States is coming in with all this money. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what Donald Trump has been talking about since he
Speaker 1: first ran, like we we are no longer going to
Speaker 1: fund the world. They're going to have to step up
Speaker 1: and fund some of their own protection. And I think
Speaker 1: this war has brought that to the forefront for a
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Speaker 1: You know they were invaded. I mean, are you saying
Speaker 1: that you think the United States should have just went?
Speaker 1: You know, this is your problem. We got to stay
Speaker 1: out of Ukraine.
Speaker 2: I don't advise, you know, people, what to do. What
Speaker 2: intelligence mission is is to tell you what is the
Speaker 2: odd of the possible? Right When we ask what should
Speaker 2: we do well. My first question is what do you want?
Speaker 2: What is it that you want to achieve? Achieving pieces
Speaker 2: right now now possible now that both countries have climbed up,
Speaker 2: you know, up the tree so high. And by that
Speaker 2: I mean we have already provided so much, and we've
Speaker 2: already put the world on notice how much we're involved.
Speaker 2: Just walking out right now it would make us look
Speaker 2: like idiots. The world will go, well, here they go again, right,
Speaker 2: they stirred up all these chaos, I mean, and then
Speaker 2: they'll they'll walk away and they'll forget about it. And
Speaker 2: that's why we can't you do this. For example, look
Speaker 2: what's going on in Syria right now. I mean once
Speaker 2: the Assad regime collapsed, which basically we were propping up
Speaker 2: the opposition, right now, it's the head choppers who are
Speaker 2: in charge, right, it's the terrorist regime that is right
Speaker 2: no out in Syria and they are killing Christians like
Speaker 2: like there's no tomorrow. Right. But do you hear this
Speaker 2: on mainstream media? No, everybody forgot about Syria. The Russians
Speaker 2: were trying to prop Asad. There's a there's one thing
Speaker 2: that leaders in Washington need to understand. There's a real
Speaker 2: and I know it's gonna sound harsh and and and
Speaker 2: like non traditional, but I'm a realist. I was born
Speaker 2: and raised in Russia. I know my patients. I've dealt
Speaker 2: with people like you know KGB, and I was a
Speaker 2: target myself. There's a reason why UH dictators like Saddam Hussein,
Speaker 2: like Bashar al Asad, like mar Kadafi exists. They keep
Speaker 2: a lid on all the other lunatics and head choppers, right,
Speaker 2: because what happens right now in Syria is insane. People
Speaker 2: are just slaughtered, but no one talks about that same
Speaker 2: thing is going to happen in Ukraine right now. Pulin
Speaker 2: has surrounded his voices, surrounded that region. There's about two
Speaker 2: thousand Ukrainian soldiers. He's going to execute them. But that
Speaker 2: had to be like voy seen, right. Why did Zelenski
Speaker 2: It is so insane that that guy authorized the incursion
Speaker 2: into Russian territory. What did you think was going to happen?
Speaker 2: He basically demonstrated to Putin that his decision to invade
Speaker 2: Ukraine was correct. Can't tolerate that type of risk, and
Speaker 2: so did Biden by authorizing Ukraine to use US long
Speaker 2: range missiles to strike deep inside Russia basically demonstrated to
Speaker 2: Putin that he has to finish the job and he's
Speaker 2: going to keep finishing the job.
Speaker 1: But that was right, I mean that was just before
Speaker 1: the Biden administration stepped out of the White House. I mean,
Speaker 1: he did this, like he handed this to Donald Trump
Speaker 1: in such a horrible way to allow that to actually
Speaker 1: encourage that and provide what they needed to do that
Speaker 1: that to me was a shocking moment wherever we all went.
Speaker 1: Is this just so that Donald Trump has to come
Speaker 1: into this and here he's president and now he's having
Speaker 1: a deal with a You just poked the bear. I mean,
Speaker 1: you really you go after Putin and Putin? I mean
Speaker 1: I think that Donald Trump plays a very interesting game
Speaker 1: with him. You know, he's always complimentary, because do you
Speaker 1: go in when you are dealing with a sociopath, do
Speaker 1: you attack the sociopath? And people go, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: You know, he says nice things about him. But I
Speaker 1: think there's a strategy there with someone that has this personality.
Speaker 1: And when President Biden left office, he left office with
Speaker 1: the ultimate insult, gives Zelenski these weapons, tells him to attack.
Speaker 1: President Trump comes in he now I mean that's the ultimate.
Speaker 1: You're not going to get this fixed in twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: But I do think that Zelensky is an interesting character
Speaker 1: here because I don't think people really understand. You know,
Speaker 1: Americans oftentimes look at countries like Russia and Ukraine and
Speaker 1: they americanized them in their minds, like these people are
Speaker 1: just like us, but they're not just like us. They
Speaker 1: haven't been raised like us. Their mindset is different and
Speaker 1: in these countries. And I would say you probably understand
Speaker 1: Russia better than anyone else. But I mean, I'll just
Speaker 1: tell you a story. We were on a vacation one
Speaker 1: time where we were traveling all over Europe and we
Speaker 1: were in a tour group with this other couple and
Speaker 1: the couple the wife was French and the husband was Russian.
Speaker 1: And he said, you know, it's interesting because I grew
Speaker 1: up and where I grew up in Russia, we had
Speaker 1: you know, every kid had one doll. They all had
Speaker 1: like button eyes, and they were just you know, a
Speaker 1: cloth body. And we were told and we had very
Speaker 1: little food, and we sat down, we all ate together,
Speaker 1: and we were told that people in America lived in
Speaker 1: the streets. It was horrible, it was terrible. It's a
Speaker 1: terrible place to live, and that mother Russia was like beautiful.
Speaker 1: We were like the most blessed people on the planet.
Speaker 1: And he said, when I met my wife, she had
Speaker 1: been a nanny for a family out of Colorado, and
Speaker 1: she said, I want to take you to the United States.
Speaker 1: And he said, I went, he can't go there. That
Speaker 1: place is I mean, it's like the scum of the earth,
Speaker 1: you know. And she said, oh, I never had that experience,
Speaker 1: and it was this eye opening moment. She took him
Speaker 1: into the United States and he was totally mind blown.
Speaker 1: But Americans cannot understand what it is like to be
Speaker 1: raised in a country like that, where you don't have
Speaker 1: the access to the media that we have. You don't
Speaker 1: have the access to the outside world. You don't actually know.
Speaker 1: So you've got Ukraine, which has historically been listed as
Speaker 1: one of the most corrupt countries in the world. This
Speaker 1: is not a surprise. Okay, You've got this guy that
Speaker 1: over he becomes this champion of war. I mean he
Speaker 1: really is. He has become like this idol across the
Speaker 1: globe and we don't really normal people step back and go,
Speaker 1: why is he an idol? He stopped any elections. He
Speaker 1: won't act like he won't even dress the part. He
Speaker 1: acts like a military general, and he goes and threatens
Speaker 1: people when and he sits down in the O Office
Speaker 1: and he threatens Donald Trump. What are American people not
Speaker 1: getting here about how dangerous Zelenski actually is.
Speaker 2: Zelensky is a miniature putin. Let's start with the fact, like,
Speaker 2: how did he become president? His presidential campaign was financed
Speaker 2: by an olgoch named yout Gola Moyski. You look up,
Speaker 2: you get Glamoyski on the State Department website. Right now,
Speaker 2: he is banned. He and his entire family a banned
Speaker 2: from entry to the United States because he's an under
Speaker 2: multiple multiple investigations for corruption. Okay, and this is not
Speaker 2: the first time we'll hear about corruption, do you hear?
Speaker 2: Do you remember about Shorten and Joe Biden wanted him
Speaker 2: to stop? You know? Certain? So that and you're one
Speaker 2: correct that Ukraine is the top corrupt country in Europe.
Speaker 2: So the Russians and the Ukrainians they're very similar. So
Speaker 2: going back to Zalance, No, he's not a Churchill in
Speaker 2: a T shirt like I said, He's a miniature putin.
Speaker 2: He also authorized assassinations, including on civilians, just like Putin
Speaker 2: did Uh the Dardia Dugina who was the daughter of
Speaker 2: Alexander Jumanuh in Russia. She was a civilian. The Ukrainian
Speaker 2: special forces conducted the operations assassinating her. Onceolensk is watched
Speaker 2: at the hand of his SBU solution but bespeaking Ukraine,
Speaker 2: which is basically the Ukraine version of the KGB. Right
Speaker 2: of Gonzales. There was an American citizen, Lere Gonzalez who died,
Speaker 2: who talks about it on mainstream media. They tortured him
Speaker 2: because they thought he was probudent and he was proud
Speaker 2: it is correct. What are some of the other atrocities
Speaker 2: that were committed on Zelanski's watch? Right now, Ukraine is
Speaker 2: out me and they're now done. They have no more
Speaker 2: soldiers to throw into Buddie's meat grind that the average
Speaker 2: age of Ukrainian soldier is about forty three forty five, right,
Speaker 2: So what SBU, the Ukrainian version of the KGB, is
Speaker 2: doing is running around the streets and grabbing Ukrainian military
Speaker 2: age men and throwing them back into the battlefield. Right,
Speaker 2: And there's a whole list of things outlawed all the
Speaker 2: free media. So nine out of ten news outlets, news
Speaker 2: being in quotes are financed by USAID. So it's a
Speaker 2: propagand there's no free media. He also outlawed all the
Speaker 2: opposition parties. So, but because American people, just like back
Speaker 2: in Russia when I was growing up, you can't get
Speaker 2: you can't get straight news anymore because it's all propagand
Speaker 2: it's all rarah and cheerleading. You have these generals go
Speaker 2: on air and keep saying how Ukraine can win. And
Speaker 2: it's the same generals that got us into all these
Speaker 2: wars a rock Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, just basically enriching the
Speaker 2: military natural complex. The nor from Grahma and Rayteon watched one.
Speaker 2: Why are they on TV saying all these things right?
Speaker 2: And they wouldn't. The mistream media doesn't put you on
Speaker 2: a hand, doesn't allow you like I called out General Keane,
Speaker 2: I called out all these people who keep saying how
Speaker 2: you prink and win this war. Put me on the
Speaker 2: panel with these people and let us go at each other.
Speaker 2: But no, they give you three and a half minutes
Speaker 2: to explain. You know, they escalated dstate nuclear doctrine and
Speaker 2: why Putin has developed it. I mean, it is absurd,
Speaker 2: and that's why your original question, how come the American
Speaker 2: people don't understand who's list is? Well, who's going to
Speaker 2: tell him? No, there's no opportunity? I mean, how many? Okay,
Speaker 2: there's your podcast, and I appreciate we can talk about
Speaker 2: it actually at length and you're actually digging into it.
Speaker 2: But you know, an average person doesn't have this opportunity
Speaker 2: unless they go and search for that information.
Speaker 1: What do you think the American people are expecting? Because
Speaker 1: I talked to people and they're like, well, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: he's just going to give Putin what he wants, and
Speaker 1: he wants He's just going to put have a cease
Speaker 1: fire and then Putin gets this land? And how could
Speaker 1: he just be friends with Putin? And I keep asking them,
Speaker 1: what are you expecting? Do you want to send troops?
Speaker 1: Do you want to fight back to get these borders
Speaker 1: back for Ukraine? What exactly is the answer that American
Speaker 1: people are looking for? All right, stay tuned. We're going
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Speaker 1: four three two five. You just said Ukraine can't win
Speaker 1: this war, so I mean, what would What is the
Speaker 1: answer for people who are saying they want something different
Speaker 1: from President Trump? Right now? Are they really expecting us
Speaker 1: to send troops there and win this war for them.
Speaker 1: We don't want to hit a war with Russia.
Speaker 2: That's what Zolanski wants. I mean, he's been pushing, he's
Speaker 2: been pushing for President Trump called him on that. Remember
Speaker 2: President Trump booted him out, this con artist out of
Speaker 2: the White House and said, you are playing with World
Speaker 2: War three, which is correct. I don't know what American
Speaker 2: people expect. There's something that is that I honestly don't know,
Speaker 2: because there's such a you know, low information environment that
Speaker 2: you know that people people are busy American people. American
Speaker 2: people work a lot, they take care of their families,
Speaker 2: they can apostle, so they hear these bazz words. I
Speaker 2: don't know what the expectation is. But what I want
Speaker 2: to say is no, President Trump is not Putin's strand.
Speaker 2: He is just a very skillful uh I would say opponent, right,
Speaker 2: pudn't Trump understands sort of how Putin deals with other people.
Speaker 2: President Trump knows that insulting Putin doesn't get them anyway,
Speaker 2: or anyone else for that latter. That's why he never
Speaker 2: insulted like you know, Shi Jimpain or any of those
Speaker 2: people because once you start insulting them, you can't talk
Speaker 2: to them right. So and talking even talking right now,
Speaker 2: even though not much is going to be accomplished in
Speaker 2: my assessment, because look at this stuff. Se'spy and that
Speaker 2: fell apart less than twenty four hours, right, which I
Speaker 2: was predicting that this deal is unachievable. But as long
Speaker 2: as you talk to your adversary, the risk of a
Speaker 2: nuclear war is decreasing.
Speaker 1: Because and I think that you make a really good
Speaker 1: point here, because I think this is sort of the
Speaker 1: genius behind President Trump that people don't understand. He knows
Speaker 1: his audience, and that is half the battle of a
Speaker 1: negotiation is knowing your audience and knowing when and how
Speaker 1: to talk to your audience. Because in America, people see
Speaker 1: Donald Trump and they're like, oh, he's always insulting people, and
Speaker 1: he's being a big bully, and he's insulting Canada. Canada
Speaker 1: is different than North Korea, Canada is different than Russia.
Speaker 1: And you can complain all you want about it, but
Speaker 1: he knows his audience and he knows how to address
Speaker 1: his audience. Now, there we're going to be people who
Speaker 1: are going to say, well, why aren't we pushing further.
Speaker 1: But you just said he doesn't want a nuclear war.
Speaker 1: And I think people didn't take it seriously when President
Speaker 1: Trump looked at Zelenski and said, you're playing with world
Speaker 1: War three, because they've never seen those actual communications between
Speaker 1: two world leaders, or between a world leader and another
Speaker 1: country like that, because those are behind closed doors. But
Speaker 1: I think Donald Trump was very calculated in what he
Speaker 1: did because he wanted the American people to see this
Speaker 1: guy is unhinged. He wants us to continue to fight,
Speaker 1: and he wants to draw the United States into World
Speaker 1: War three because as soon as the United States and
Speaker 1: Russia are at war, and that's what Zelenski is wanting.
Speaker 1: Why I don't understand that part. I don't understand that part.
Speaker 1: But as soon as that happens, that triggers World War
Speaker 1: three exactly.
Speaker 2: And let me ground this in reality, because we're taught,
Speaker 2: like people don't understand, like how we come out with this,
Speaker 2: you know, nuclear war, How does that happen. I'll tell
Speaker 2: you exactly how that happened. Because back in the intelligence community,
Speaker 2: one of our jobs is to conduct wargames, right, and
Speaker 2: we have a blue team and a red team, and
Speaker 2: the blue team is the United States military and NATO allies.
Speaker 2: And the Red team is an adversary. It can be Russia,
Speaker 2: can be China. And so I personally not only participated,
Speaker 2: I also led Red teams. Why do I lead Red
Speaker 2: teams because that I am Russian born, which means I
Speaker 2: can think with my Russian brain or I can think
Speaker 2: with my American brain. And just like you yourself just a
Speaker 2: few minutes to go demonstrated to me that other foreigners
Speaker 2: they don't think like Americans. Imagine that, right, The Russians
Speaker 2: don't think like Americans. And you didn't even serve in
Speaker 2: the intelligence community. Do you know how many times I
Speaker 2: had to explain to the supposed experts in the CIA
Speaker 2: that Russians don't into like Americans. And I was challenged
Speaker 2: and they would tell me, no, Russian doom't things like that,
Speaker 2: and I would say, seriously, we do not. People are
Speaker 2: so oblivious. So we would have these wargames, right, and
Speaker 2: they were about like more than a dozen, and every
Speaker 2: single war game and we go at each other, Red
Speaker 2: and Blue team actually simulating a conflict. Every single war
Speaker 2: game went into the nuclear realm, not immediately, but it
Speaker 2: escalated exactly out of the situation that we have right
Speaker 2: now in Ukraine, and it progressed. That's something called escalation
Speaker 2: ladder in warfare. And you start off very slow. It's
Speaker 2: with like cyber attacks, and then you know, first non destructive,
Speaker 2: then destructive, including like on electrical grid. Then it goes
Speaker 2: to kinetic missiles actually fly. Then it goes space warfare. Okay, space,
Speaker 2: what does it mean? Why did the Russians develop space warfare? Doctor?
Speaker 2: It's because they understand that everything we are so dependent
Speaker 2: on satellite for every aspect of our warfare, commanded control, communications, navigation, targeting,
Speaker 2: missile trips, actually present Chump, thank God, developed the space forces.
Speaker 2: He stood them up eighteen years after the Russians and
Speaker 2: the Chinese stood up there. Okay, that's how far ahead
Speaker 2: in this thinking they are. So they basically had us,
Speaker 2: the Russians seeing it by developing all these various capabilities
Speaker 2: and saying, don't you dare putting your foot into our
Speaker 2: spear of influence, into our backyard. And so going back
Speaker 2: to the war games, every single war game again ended
Speaker 2: in the nuclear war, and Russia won. Think about that.
Speaker 2: Why did Russia win? Because Russia stands out vulnerabilities and
Speaker 2: they develop the doctrine striking at our vulnerability. Imagine if
Speaker 2: our electrical grid goes down, right, and you don't even
Speaker 2: need a missile strike, you can just do it with
Speaker 2: cyber right, or you do what's called emp electromagnetic poles.
Speaker 2: The Russians and the Chinese are the same way. They
Speaker 2: have determined that the US culture is such that we
Speaker 2: have a low threshold tolerance for pain. Right, you can
Speaker 2: find right, like, imagine no internet, right, what are the
Speaker 2: kids going to do? They can't get on TikTok okay
Speaker 2: or imagine around like if we don't have like eggs.
Speaker 2: Like everybody's freaking out right now. So there's a whole
Speaker 2: system of measures that the Russians developed as part of
Speaker 2: that doctrine, which actually described you know, it's all in
Speaker 2: my book at the unclassified level. And that is why
Speaker 2: during the war games, Russia one. And it's not only
Speaker 2: that China also won in wargames. Every single time US
Speaker 2: was beat. Not because we don't have a bad military.
Speaker 2: Our military knows how to fight. We are brilliant at
Speaker 2: the tactical level. Strategically, we're just like so mismanaged because
Speaker 2: we go in again in this situation centuries all problems,
Speaker 2: and we think we're just gonna like solve, you know,
Speaker 2: and make the world a better place. But it just
Speaker 2: doesn't work like that. It doesn't work. So let's start
Speaker 2: focusing on our There's so many people in our country
Speaker 2: that are suffering, you know, like Ukrainians, and yet we
Speaker 2: go and we try to solve someone else's freedom, right,
Speaker 2: why not bring freedom our own freedoms are right? I mean,
Speaker 2: look at what the leftists are doing to President Trump.
Speaker 2: I mean, look at what they tried to do. They
Speaker 2: basically he was nearly assassinated. And we just started paying
Speaker 2: attention to our land and start returning back to the
Speaker 2: democratic principles here and start spending money here. I know
Speaker 2: it may sound harsh to Ukrainians and my heart is
Speaker 2: bleeding for those people, but Ukrainian Is don't support Zelenskie anymore.
Speaker 2: He has four percent approval rating.
Speaker 1: Jeez, but what could you do about it? He won't
Speaker 1: hold an election, And that's what the American people don't understand.
Speaker 1: And I think that there are a few things the
Speaker 1: American people don't understand. That he's a dictator essentially now,
Speaker 1: and they say, oh no, how could you say that, Well,
Speaker 1: he's chosen to say there will be no more elections,
Speaker 1: and I make the choices, and the people aren't with him.
Speaker 1: What do you call that? You know, let's be realistic
Speaker 1: about what that actually is. And then you think about
Speaker 1: you talk about China, you talk about Russia. The value
Speaker 1: systems are different, and when the United States goes in,
Speaker 1: they're like, we're not going to leave a man behind.
Speaker 1: These are different attitudes about people, about life. But everything
Speaker 1: is just totally different about values, about morals, about whether
Speaker 1: or not how you interact in business. Everything is totally different.
Speaker 1: And the American people don't realize. And I think that's
Speaker 1: what I mean. Even beyond war, what screwed us over
Speaker 1: with globalization is the fact that we think everybody thinks
Speaker 1: the same way that we do, and we are a
Speaker 1: very unique country in that manner. And I agree with you,
Speaker 1: it is time to put America first. It is time
Speaker 1: to make sure that we're following up with the other
Speaker 1: things that President Trump has said that he wants to do,
Speaker 1: and that is to make America great again, make America safe,
Speaker 1: focus on our national security, and that's not going to
Speaker 1: be by getting into World War three. And just before
Speaker 1: I let you go, I will touch on what you
Speaker 1: said about space force, because when he developed space Force,
Speaker 1: people won't just berserk. Remember, I mean, people are like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, how stupid, how ridiculous. And I used
Speaker 1: to say to people, just look at your phone. Look
Speaker 1: at your phone. What would you do if you didn't
Speaker 1: have your phone. What if you didn't have your car?
Speaker 1: You couldn't navigate in your car. What if you can't
Speaker 1: check out at the grocery store. How are you going
Speaker 1: to do anything? Nobody's going to go back to cash
Speaker 1: and cash registers like this all they take us out
Speaker 1: up there, they just walk in, they take us over.
Speaker 1: You know, Donald Trump has looked at this from a
Speaker 1: strategic standpoint and looked into the future more than any
Speaker 1: other president in the United States ever has. And thank goodness,
Speaker 1: he's doing that. And when he sits down with Putin,
Speaker 1: when he says, you know what, I'm going to negotiate this,
Speaker 1: he's also looking into the future, unlike Joe Biden was
Speaker 1: when he said go after Russia, because that was that
Speaker 1: was so so dangerous. It could have sparked the world
Speaker 1: the World War. But you know what, Putin knew Trump
Speaker 1: was coming in and Joe Biden what a coward. He
Speaker 1: did that just to peacock as he walked out the door,
Speaker 1: and he put us all in danger the only reason
Speaker 1: he knew we weren't in danger. That's the ironic part
Speaker 1: about it. He knew we weren't in danger because he
Speaker 1: knew Donald Trump was coming to the rescue. That's the
Speaker 1: crazy part about it all.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you nailed it. I am so impressed with how
Speaker 2: much of a grasp President Trump has, like not just
Speaker 2: on geopolitics, but also on military affairs, because he's just
Speaker 2: think about that. For eighteen years, no other president or
Speaker 2: militarily and nobody said, let's stand up the space wars
Speaker 2: so that we can develop the capabilities a to protect
Speaker 2: our own airspace and b to develop the doctrine to
Speaker 2: give the emissaries like Russia and China the taste of
Speaker 2: their own medicine. Nobody had the goods to do that,
Speaker 2: or probably didn't even understand.
Speaker 1: Right right right the foresight.
Speaker 2: Yes, and Trump actually did and he did that, and
Speaker 2: so yes, let's you know, let's see what comes out
Speaker 2: out of those negotiations, even though I'm not very optimistic,
Speaker 2: you know, let's just see what happens. But the most
Speaker 2: important thing is that Trump is trying to restore peace,
Speaker 2: not just in Ukraine. He wants stability in the world,
Speaker 2: and Russia is actually the key to a lot of
Speaker 2: these places. Right. Trump was playing a very multi national
Speaker 2: kind of like chess game because he wants to split
Speaker 2: up the all these you know, alliances that are a
Speaker 2: threat to the US. He went to slit up Russian China.
Speaker 2: He went to sew it up Iran and and and
Speaker 2: Russia Russian North Korea because and the other day President
Speaker 2: Trump said Russia in China are not natural allies, even
Speaker 2: though they position themselves as like no limits partnership. I mean,
Speaker 2: that is so astude. I've been saying it for so
Speaker 2: many years. Why are they not natural allies? Because I
Speaker 2: know that the Russians consider China as a threat Number two? Right,
Speaker 2: they would never be because of the longest border in
Speaker 2: the Far East. And person mentioned that Russia has a
Speaker 2: lot of land, Chinese have a lot of people. And
Speaker 2: Moscow has been afraid that Beijing is going to eventually
Speaker 2: invade their territory. And that's exactly why I put the
Speaker 2: developed that tactical nuclear weapons capability and the doctrine. The
Speaker 2: Russians say they developed it Pornado and for the United
Speaker 2: States to deter US from meddling into their backyard. But
Speaker 2: in reality, it's for both, it's for China as well.
Speaker 2: But just think about how much Trump understands and that's
Speaker 2: what he wants to do. So let's give him a
Speaker 2: little time saying with like Russia, Iran the non natural
Speaker 2: uh uh so uh, President Trump wants to prevent around
Speaker 2: from actually operationalizing the nuclear capability. He could potentially use
Speaker 2: Putin to help to make that happen. But there's so
Speaker 2: many pieces to this, so we just need to give
Speaker 2: him a little time, right, And.
Speaker 1: He's not ignoring it. I mean, I have to say,
Speaker 1: the fact that he's there, that's a big change from
Speaker 1: what we've had the last four years. We've had an
Speaker 1: endless war with no discussion. So I mean, I love
Speaker 1: what you're telling us. Your insight is so appreciated because
Speaker 1: I think it is important. What you said earlier about
Speaker 1: actually digging into this stuff is so important because I
Speaker 1: don't think the American people get the full story. But
Speaker 1: having you here today was just absolutely amazing. I could
Speaker 1: talk to you for like three more hours, of course,
Speaker 1: and people should definitely go read your book, Rebecca Coffler,
Speaker 1: tell them where they can find it.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. The book is I can be
Speaker 2: found anyway in any bookstore wherever the books are sold,
Speaker 2: including on on Amazon. And I also regularly publish my
Speaker 2: intelligence analysis a classified version basically on several outlets, Box News,
Speaker 2: Neal Posts, the British Telegraph, and everything is on my
Speaker 2: ex channel. My handle is at Rebecca zero one three two,
Speaker 2: and that's where I'll also run my podcast that you mentioned,
Speaker 2: Sence and but Not Silenced.
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