1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Okay, okay, everybody knows 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: what is going on with Ukraine and Russia, but do 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: you really know what it's like to deal with Ukraine 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 1: and Russia? While we have someone with us today who does. 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: We've had her on before. It is Rebecca Koffler. She 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: is a Russian born strategic military and intelligence and analyst 7 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: and the author of the book Putin's Playbook, Russia's Secret 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: Plan to Defeat America. She also has her own podcast, 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: it's on x It's called Censored But Not Silence. Rebecca, 10 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming back on in the 11 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: midst of all the craziness going on with Russia and Ukraine. 12 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 2: Of course, happy to be here over you and your audience, Tutor, 13 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: and you're indeed correct, lots of craziness last few days. 14 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: Well, so let's get into this because I think everybody 15 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: goes this was one of Trump's promises. He's got to 16 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: come through on this promise. He has to do it quickly. 17 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: I would argue, you know, he did say he would 18 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: do it quickly, but this is a president who has 19 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: four years to get things done and he wants to 20 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: do it correctly. He wants to make sure this war 21 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: is finished and move on from it. But how do 22 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: you negotiate with a Putin and a Zolenski. 23 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 2: Well, with all due respect to President Trump, and I 24 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 2: do have high respect for him, he is a talented negotiate, 25 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: a highly skilled business leader. He's dealt with characters all 26 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 2: over the world. But Putin is a completely different animal. 27 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: He's different than anyone Trump has dealt with before. Zolensky 28 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: has proved himself to be an extremely talented actor, but 29 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: he's a con artist. And Trump really really needs to 30 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: understand what he got himself into by promising on his 31 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: campaign trail that he needs he wanted to do this 32 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 2: in twenty four hours, he boxed himself in. And who 33 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: knows that Trump boxed himself in. And that's why putn't 34 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: believe he has leverage, in addition to all kinds of 35 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: other things that give Putent leverage. So these are sanctuary 36 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: old problems and we just think that we're going to 37 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: waltz in and just solve it just like that. Well, 38 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 2: how did that work out for us? In Afghanistan? After 39 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: twenty years, two point two trillion dollars and six thousand 40 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: American lives. We pulled out, and the same lunatics with 41 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: towers in their head are still ruling the country, except 42 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 2: they have eighty five billion dollars of top SECREDEO supportment. Okay, 43 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: how many times are we're going to repeat in the 44 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 2: rock we spent five trillion dollars And this is just math. 45 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 2: So at some point you would think that whoever, and 46 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: again it's not a slamer President Trump, but who are 47 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: the people who are advising him? Who are those people? 48 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: Why wasn't he warned? Why didn't they do their homework? 49 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 2: And I suspect that they didn't. They need to LEAs 50 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: some come to Jesus here, not just in Russia and Ukraine, 51 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 2: but in all these other foreign wars. 52 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 1: So are you are you saying then that you think 53 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: that Putin is going to keep going until he has Ukraine? 54 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: Is he trying to reconnect the Soviet Union? I mean, 55 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: what do you probably understand Putin's mindset better than most? 56 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,119 Speaker 1: What is his plan? The What would you have told 57 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: Donald Trump? I guess I'm saying, oh. 58 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: Well, I would have told if I had all the 59 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: time in the world. What if he had all the 60 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: time in the world, I would advise Donald Trump to 61 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 2: read my book, Pudin's Playbook. It's precisely the reason why 62 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: I wrote this book, because I was exasperated when I 63 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: was serving as an intelligence officer back in the Diiadas, 64 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: the military counterpart to CIA. Right. And I personally brief 65 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: NATO in September twenty thirteen in Brussels. Right. And not 66 00:03:55,200 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: only that, I briefed President Obama's White House Staff, National 67 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: Security Council, scores and scores of combatant commands, European Command, 68 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 2: Northern Command that supposedly is protecting US homeland from missile strikes, 69 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 2: but they missed the balloon, the spy balloon, and all 70 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: of those people. And I laid it out very clear 71 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: what pulice plans were Putin wants to restore what the 72 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: Russians call a strategic security perimeter, on which Russia re 73 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 2: line for centuries for each security What is the strategic 74 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 2: security pertometer. It's their version of the Monroe doctrine. Just 75 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: like we wouldn't allow China or Russia station military hardware 76 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,799 Speaker 2: as close to the US as Canada or Mexico. Neither 77 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 2: would Putin, and Putin never made it a secret. He's 78 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 2: been saying it ever since he became president. Ukraine is 79 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 2: the red line. Ukraine is the red line. Ukraine is 80 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: the red line. Now Washington, the experts proceeded to push 81 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 2: Ukraine into NATO. Why Ukraine has not part our vital interests? 82 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 2: What does the mean vital interest US security and prosperity. 83 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: I no way shall performed dependent on Ukraine. Why push 84 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: them in to NADO? Why empowerish US tax base by 85 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 2: saying the billions of dollars to the country that is 86 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: not even a NATO LA. It's not an LA at all. 87 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: So you're saying that Putin is telling the United States, 88 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: which he did tell President Trump, I want you to 89 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: stop sending weapons to Ukraine. Ukraine is off limits. Just 90 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: leave it there. Now you've got the rest of the 91 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: world going, my gosh. If you don't protect Ukraine, if 92 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: Ukraine has no weapons, then Russia is just gonna barrel 93 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: through and take Ukraine and then move on to Poland. 94 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: And that's the fear that I think is what you're 95 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: hearing from the mainstream media. That is the fear. And 96 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: certainly when he says, okay, I promise I won't bomb 97 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: any more energy infrastructure, and then hours later, they go 98 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: with drones and they bomb energy infrastructure in Ukraine. Then 99 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: that leaves you wondering, Okay, if you have nothing there, 100 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: does he power through? Does he then go onto Poland? 101 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: Is what's your analysis of that? 102 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 2: So, first of all, I am exasperated with the mainstream 103 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 2: media because they give you three to five miles to 104 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 2: explain highly complex issues. I mean, I wrote a three 105 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: hundred plus page book on this. How can you explain that? 106 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: And the whole narrative that the mainstream media has built 107 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:47,239 Speaker 2: is so primitive. Putin bat Zelenski good, Russia bad Ukraine? 108 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: Well they both bad? Okay, Oh, let's just unpack this. 109 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: It's nonsense. Whoever said that Putin was going to barrel 110 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: through Europe it just simply doesn't understand what they're talking about. 111 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 2: Putin is not suicidal the minute he crossed and I 112 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: would he would never do that, Okay, he would never 113 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: cross and Natle countries. Why is that? There's a thing 114 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: called Article five Collective Defense. If he were to do 115 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: that and either launch an encourasion into Poland, into the 116 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: politics and any of those countries, it would trigger Article 117 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: five and then the US would be obligated to place 118 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 2: troops into their battlefield. Putin does not want to face 119 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 2: US military, which is the best war fighting force in 120 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: military history, because then he would need to cross the 121 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: nuclear threshold, which is precisely why pultn't developed a highly 122 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: sophisticated nuclear doctrine, right, because he wants to deter US 123 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: from meddling and what the Russians perceived as they a 124 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: sphere of influence the way that we view our mineral 125 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 2: doctrine area. Right. So no, Putin who wants to do 126 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: He doesn't want to reconstitute the USSI in the sense 127 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 2: that that he doesn't want to make it one country. 128 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,679 Speaker 2: But what he does want he wants NATO stay out 129 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 2: of these countries and make them neutral. If there was 130 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: a promise made to put it before the war, right, 131 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 2: that an illegal guarantee. They don't work on promises. So 132 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: that Ukraine is neutral, there would be no war. 133 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: Why does he want that? I mean, what what is 134 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: the what I mean there was before the war. It 135 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: wasn't like there were a lot of people cheering on 136 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: Ukraine to go after Russia. Why did they invade? 137 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: Very simple, like I said, strategic security program which has 138 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: reduced from a thousand miles with the collapse of the 139 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: Soviet Union to one hundred miles. That is a shorter 140 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: distance between Washington, d C. And New York City. Can 141 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 2: you imagine Russia or China being in New York City 142 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 2: close to New York City? Right? So, CIA was building bases, 143 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 2: operating bases in Ukraine. They were training Ukrainian soldiers in 144 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: NATO tactics how to fight. They were training on weapons 145 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 2: systems to make sure that they are synchronized, that at 146 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: the fire control level. But the Ukrainian knows how to 147 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 2: operate those system So who I was watching all that? 148 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: And in addition to that, everybody knows what happened in 149 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: Ukraine back in twenty fourteen when the queen of Color 150 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 2: revolution for a new Land, Hillary Clinton State Department stay 151 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 2: a color revolution there and removed the democratically elected president 152 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 2: and installed a new one. And so Zelenski has basically 153 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: become our puppet. But then he took medicine to his 154 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 2: own hands, because like I said, he's a con artist. 155 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 2: He's been using this gravy train to rich himself. I mean, 156 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 2: out of three hundred and fifty billion, only seventy one 157 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 2: billion made it to Silenskin according to his own works right. 158 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 2: So basically we are conned by everybody here and not 159 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 2: including the Europeans, because the Europeans never wanted to pay 160 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 2: for their own security. After I briefed them personally NATO 161 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen, just months prior to the two Putin's 162 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 2: invasion of Crimea, they didn't stir a finger if they 163 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 2: developed a counter strategy, beefed up, the forced pasture started, 164 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 2: you know, transitioning onto a wartime footing like like Potted 165 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 2: to transition his military economy. They are now producing more 166 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 2: missiles in three months than the entire NATO alliance the 167 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 2: United States, including in one year. The Europeans didn't do that. 168 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 2: They didn't even pay for their own security. At that point, 169 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 2: only eight countries out of thirty paid even two percent. 170 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 2: To this day, to the Germany, the richest country in Europe, 171 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 2: does not pay two percent because they think we're suckers. 172 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 2: We're just going to continue pumping in. You know, they're 173 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 2: used to having their own three months vacations and have 174 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 2: US basically defend them. 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There's this empathy for the Ukrainian people. 212 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: You know they were invaded. I mean, are you saying 213 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 1: that you think the United States should have just went? 214 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: You know, this is your problem. We got to stay 215 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: out of Ukraine. 216 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 2: I don't advise, you know, people, what to do. What 217 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 2: intelligence mission is is to tell you what is the 218 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 2: odd of the possible? Right When we ask what should 219 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 2: we do well. My first question is what do you want? 220 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 2: What is it that you want to achieve? Achieving pieces 221 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: right now now possible now that both countries have climbed up, 222 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: you know, up the tree so high. And by that 223 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 2: I mean we have already provided so much, and we've 224 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 2: already put the world on notice how much we're involved. 225 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 2: Just walking out right now it would make us look 226 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 2: like idiots. The world will go, well, here they go again, right, 227 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: they stirred up all these chaos, I mean, and then 228 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 2: they'll they'll walk away and they'll forget about it. And 229 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 2: that's why we can't you do this. For example, look 230 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 2: what's going on in Syria right now. I mean once 231 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: the Assad regime collapsed, which basically we were propping up 232 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 2: the opposition, right now, it's the head choppers who are 233 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 2: in charge, right, it's the terrorist regime that is right 234 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 2: no out in Syria and they are killing Christians like 235 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 2: like there's no tomorrow. Right. But do you hear this 236 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 2: on mainstream media? No, everybody forgot about Syria. The Russians 237 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: were trying to prop Asad. There's a there's one thing 238 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 2: that leaders in Washington need to understand. There's a real 239 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: and I know it's gonna sound harsh and and and 240 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 2: like non traditional, but I'm a realist. I was born 241 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 2: and raised in Russia. I know my patients. I've dealt 242 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 2: with people like you know KGB, and I was a 243 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 2: target myself. There's a reason why UH dictators like Saddam Hussein, 244 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 2: like Bashar al Asad, like mar Kadafi exists. They keep 245 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 2: a lid on all the other lunatics and head choppers, right, 246 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: because what happens right now in Syria is insane. People 247 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: are just slaughtered, but no one talks about that same 248 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 2: thing is going to happen in Ukraine right now. Pulin 249 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 2: has surrounded his voices, surrounded that region. There's about two 250 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: thousand Ukrainian soldiers. He's going to execute them. But that 251 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 2: had to be like voy seen, right. Why did Zelenski 252 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 2: It is so insane that that guy authorized the incursion 253 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 2: into Russian territory. What did you think was going to happen? 254 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: He basically demonstrated to Putin that his decision to invade 255 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 2: Ukraine was correct. Can't tolerate that type of risk, and 256 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: so did Biden by authorizing Ukraine to use US long 257 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: range missiles to strike deep inside Russia basically demonstrated to 258 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: Putin that he has to finish the job and he's 259 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 2: going to keep finishing the job. 260 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: But that was right, I mean that was just before 261 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: the Biden administration stepped out of the White House. I mean, 262 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: he did this, like he handed this to Donald Trump 263 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: in such a horrible way to allow that to actually 264 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: encourage that and provide what they needed to do that 265 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 1: that to me was a shocking moment wherever we all went. 266 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: Is this just so that Donald Trump has to come 267 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: into this and here he's president and now he's having 268 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: a deal with a You just poked the bear. I mean, 269 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: you really you go after Putin and Putin? I mean 270 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: I think that Donald Trump plays a very interesting game 271 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: with him. You know, he's always complimentary, because do you 272 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: go in when you are dealing with a sociopath, do 273 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: you attack the sociopath? And people go, oh my gosh. 274 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: You know, he says nice things about him. But I 275 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: think there's a strategy there with someone that has this personality. 276 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: And when President Biden left office, he left office with 277 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: the ultimate insult, gives Zelenski these weapons, tells him to attack. 278 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: President Trump comes in he now I mean that's the ultimate. 279 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: You're not going to get this fixed in twenty four hours. 280 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: But I do think that Zelensky is an interesting character 281 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: here because I don't think people really understand. You know, 282 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: Americans oftentimes look at countries like Russia and Ukraine and 283 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: they americanized them in their minds, like these people are 284 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: just like us, but they're not just like us. They 285 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: haven't been raised like us. Their mindset is different and 286 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: in these countries. And I would say you probably understand 287 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: Russia better than anyone else. But I mean, I'll just 288 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: tell you a story. We were on a vacation one 289 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: time where we were traveling all over Europe and we 290 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: were in a tour group with this other couple and 291 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: the couple the wife was French and the husband was Russian. 292 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: And he said, you know, it's interesting because I grew 293 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: up and where I grew up in Russia, we had 294 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: you know, every kid had one doll. They all had 295 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: like button eyes, and they were just you know, a 296 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: cloth body. And we were told and we had very 297 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: little food, and we sat down, we all ate together, 298 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: and we were told that people in America lived in 299 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: the streets. It was horrible, it was terrible. It's a 300 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: terrible place to live, and that mother Russia was like beautiful. 301 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: We were like the most blessed people on the planet. 302 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 1: And he said, when I met my wife, she had 303 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: been a nanny for a family out of Colorado, and 304 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: she said, I want to take you to the United States. 305 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,959 Speaker 1: And he said, I went, he can't go there. That 306 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: place is I mean, it's like the scum of the earth, 307 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: you know. And she said, oh, I never had that experience, 308 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: and it was this eye opening moment. She took him 309 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: into the United States and he was totally mind blown. 310 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: But Americans cannot understand what it is like to be 311 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: raised in a country like that, where you don't have 312 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: the access to the media that we have. You don't 313 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: have the access to the outside world. You don't actually know. 314 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: So you've got Ukraine, which has historically been listed as 315 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: one of the most corrupt countries in the world. This 316 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: is not a surprise. Okay, You've got this guy that 317 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: over he becomes this champion of war. I mean he 318 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: really is. He has become like this idol across the 319 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: globe and we don't really normal people step back and go, 320 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: why is he an idol? He stopped any elections. He 321 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: won't act like he won't even dress the part. He 322 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: acts like a military general, and he goes and threatens 323 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: people when and he sits down in the O Office 324 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 1: and he threatens Donald Trump. What are American people not 325 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: getting here about how dangerous Zelenski actually is. 326 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 2: Zelensky is a miniature putin. Let's start with the fact, like, 327 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 2: how did he become president? His presidential campaign was financed 328 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 2: by an olgoch named yout Gola Moyski. You look up, 329 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 2: you get Glamoyski on the State Department website. Right now, 330 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: he is banned. He and his entire family a banned 331 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 2: from entry to the United States because he's an under 332 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 2: multiple multiple investigations for corruption. Okay, and this is not 333 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 2: the first time we'll hear about corruption, do you hear? 334 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 2: Do you remember about Shorten and Joe Biden wanted him 335 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,959 Speaker 2: to stop? You know? Certain? So that and you're one 336 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 2: correct that Ukraine is the top corrupt country in Europe. 337 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 2: So the Russians and the Ukrainians they're very similar. So 338 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 2: going back to Zalance, No, he's not a Churchill in 339 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 2: a T shirt like I said, He's a miniature putin. 340 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 2: He also authorized assassinations, including on civilians, just like Putin 341 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 2: did Uh the Dardia Dugina who was the daughter of 342 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 2: Alexander Jumanuh in Russia. She was a civilian. The Ukrainian 343 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 2: special forces conducted the operations assassinating her. Onceolensk is watched 344 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 2: at the hand of his SBU solution but bespeaking Ukraine, 345 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 2: which is basically the Ukraine version of the KGB. Right 346 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 2: of Gonzales. There was an American citizen, Lere Gonzalez who died, 347 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 2: who talks about it on mainstream media. They tortured him 348 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 2: because they thought he was probudent and he was proud 349 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 2: it is correct. What are some of the other atrocities 350 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 2: that were committed on Zelanski's watch? Right now, Ukraine is 351 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 2: out me and they're now done. They have no more 352 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 2: soldiers to throw into Buddie's meat grind that the average 353 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 2: age of Ukrainian soldier is about forty three forty five, right, 354 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,479 Speaker 2: So what SBU, the Ukrainian version of the KGB, is 355 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 2: doing is running around the streets and grabbing Ukrainian military 356 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 2: age men and throwing them back into the battlefield. Right, 357 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 2: And there's a whole list of things outlawed all the 358 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 2: free media. So nine out of ten news outlets, news 359 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 2: being in quotes are financed by USAID. So it's a 360 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 2: propagand there's no free media. He also outlawed all the 361 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 2: opposition parties. So, but because American people, just like back 362 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 2: in Russia when I was growing up, you can't get 363 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,959 Speaker 2: you can't get straight news anymore because it's all propagand 364 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 2: it's all rarah and cheerleading. You have these generals go 365 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 2: on air and keep saying how Ukraine can win. And 366 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 2: it's the same generals that got us into all these 367 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 2: wars a rock Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, just basically enriching the 368 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 2: military natural complex. The nor from Grahma and Rayteon watched one. 369 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 2: Why are they on TV saying all these things right? 370 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 2: And they wouldn't. The mistream media doesn't put you on 371 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 2: a hand, doesn't allow you like I called out General Keane, 372 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 2: I called out all these people who keep saying how 373 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 2: you prink and win this war. Put me on the 374 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 2: panel with these people and let us go at each other. 375 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 2: But no, they give you three and a half minutes 376 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 2: to explain. You know, they escalated dstate nuclear doctrine and 377 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 2: why Putin has developed it. I mean, it is absurd, 378 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 2: and that's why your original question, how come the American 379 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 2: people don't understand who's list is? Well, who's going to 380 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 2: tell him? No, there's no opportunity? I mean, how many? Okay, 381 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 2: there's your podcast, and I appreciate we can talk about 382 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 2: it actually at length and you're actually digging into it. 383 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 2: But you know, an average person doesn't have this opportunity 384 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 2: unless they go and search for that information. 385 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: What do you think the American people are expecting? Because 386 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: I talked to people and they're like, well, wait a minute, 387 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 1: he's just going to give Putin what he wants, and 388 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: he wants He's just going to put have a cease 389 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: fire and then Putin gets this land? And how could 390 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: he just be friends with Putin? And I keep asking them, 391 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: what are you expecting? Do you want to send troops? 392 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: Do you want to fight back to get these borders 393 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: back for Ukraine? What exactly is the answer that American 394 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: people are looking for? All right, stay tuned. We're going 395 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: to bring Rebecca Koffler back. But first I want to 396 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: tell you about my partners at IFCJ. After more than 397 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: a year of war, terror and pain in Israel. The 398 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: need for security essentials for support for first responders is 399 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: still critical even in times of ceasefire. 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Are they really expecting us 418 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: to send troops there and win this war for them. 419 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: We don't want to hit a war with Russia. 420 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 2: That's what Zolanski wants. I mean, he's been pushing, he's 421 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 2: been pushing for President Trump called him on that. Remember 422 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 2: President Trump booted him out, this con artist out of 423 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 2: the White House and said, you are playing with World 424 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 2: War three, which is correct. I don't know what American 425 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 2: people expect. There's something that is that I honestly don't know, 426 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 2: because there's such a you know, low information environment that 427 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 2: you know that people people are busy American people. American 428 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 2: people work a lot, they take care of their families, 429 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 2: they can apostle, so they hear these bazz words. I 430 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 2: don't know what the expectation is. But what I want 431 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 2: to say is no, President Trump is not Putin's strand. 432 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 2: He is just a very skillful uh I would say opponent, right, 433 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 2: pudn't Trump understands sort of how Putin deals with other people. 434 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 2: President Trump knows that insulting Putin doesn't get them anyway, 435 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 2: or anyone else for that latter. That's why he never 436 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 2: insulted like you know, Shi Jimpain or any of those 437 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 2: people because once you start insulting them, you can't talk 438 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 2: to them right. So and talking even talking right now, 439 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 2: even though not much is going to be accomplished in 440 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 2: my assessment, because look at this stuff. Se'spy and that 441 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 2: fell apart less than twenty four hours, right, which I 442 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 2: was predicting that this deal is unachievable. But as long 443 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 2: as you talk to your adversary, the risk of a 444 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 2: nuclear war is decreasing. 445 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: Because and I think that you make a really good 446 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 1: point here, because I think this is sort of the 447 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: genius behind President Trump that people don't understand. He knows 448 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: his audience, and that is half the battle of a 449 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: negotiation is knowing your audience and knowing when and how 450 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: to talk to your audience. Because in America, people see 451 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and they're like, oh, he's always insulting people, and 452 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: he's being a big bully, and he's insulting Canada. Canada 453 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: is different than North Korea, Canada is different than Russia. 454 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: And you can complain all you want about it, but 455 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: he knows his audience and he knows how to address 456 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: his audience. Now, there we're going to be people who 457 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: are going to say, well, why aren't we pushing further. 458 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: But you just said he doesn't want a nuclear war. 459 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: And I think people didn't take it seriously when President 460 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: Trump looked at Zelenski and said, you're playing with world 461 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,959 Speaker 1: War three, because they've never seen those actual communications between 462 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: two world leaders, or between a world leader and another 463 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: country like that, because those are behind closed doors. But 464 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: I think Donald Trump was very calculated in what he 465 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: did because he wanted the American people to see this 466 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: guy is unhinged. He wants us to continue to fight, 467 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: and he wants to draw the United States into World 468 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: War three because as soon as the United States and 469 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: Russia are at war, and that's what Zelenski is wanting. 470 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: Why I don't understand that part. I don't understand that part. 471 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: But as soon as that happens, that triggers World War 472 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: three exactly. 473 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 2: And let me ground this in reality, because we're taught, 474 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 2: like people don't understand, like how we come out with this, 475 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 2: you know, nuclear war, How does that happen. I'll tell 476 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 2: you exactly how that happened. Because back in the intelligence community, 477 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 2: one of our jobs is to conduct wargames, right, and 478 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 2: we have a blue team and a red team, and 479 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 2: the blue team is the United States military and NATO allies. 480 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 2: And the Red team is an adversary. It can be Russia, 481 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 2: can be China. And so I personally not only participated, 482 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 2: I also led Red teams. Why do I lead Red 483 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 2: teams because that I am Russian born, which means I 484 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 2: can think with my Russian brain or I can think 485 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 2: with my American brain. And just like you yourself just a 486 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 2: few minutes to go demonstrated to me that other foreigners 487 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 2: they don't think like Americans. Imagine that, right, The Russians 488 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 2: don't think like Americans. And you didn't even serve in 489 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 2: the intelligence community. Do you know how many times I 490 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 2: had to explain to the supposed experts in the CIA 491 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 2: that Russians don't into like Americans. And I was challenged 492 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 2: and they would tell me, no, Russian doom't things like that, 493 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 2: and I would say, seriously, we do not. People are 494 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 2: so oblivious. So we would have these wargames, right, and 495 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 2: they were about like more than a dozen, and every 496 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 2: single war game and we go at each other, Red 497 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 2: and Blue team actually simulating a conflict. Every single war 498 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 2: game went into the nuclear realm, not immediately, but it 499 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 2: escalated exactly out of the situation that we have right 500 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 2: now in Ukraine, and it progressed. That's something called escalation 501 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 2: ladder in warfare. And you start off very slow. It's 502 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 2: with like cyber attacks, and then you know, first non destructive, 503 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 2: then destructive, including like on electrical grid. Then it goes 504 00:31:52,760 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 2: to kinetic missiles actually fly. Then it goes space warfare. Okay, space, 505 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 2: what does it mean? Why did the Russians develop space warfare? Doctor? 506 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 2: It's because they understand that everything we are so dependent 507 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 2: on satellite for every aspect of our warfare, commanded control, communications, navigation, targeting, 508 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 2: missile trips, actually present Chump, thank God, developed the space forces. 509 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 2: He stood them up eighteen years after the Russians and 510 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 2: the Chinese stood up there. Okay, that's how far ahead 511 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 2: in this thinking they are. So they basically had us, 512 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 2: the Russians seeing it by developing all these various capabilities 513 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 2: and saying, don't you dare putting your foot into our 514 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 2: spear of influence, into our backyard. And so going back 515 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 2: to the war games, every single war game again ended 516 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 2: in the nuclear war, and Russia won. Think about that. 517 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 2: Why did Russia win? Because Russia stands out vulnerabilities and 518 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 2: they develop the doctrine striking at our vulnerability. Imagine if 519 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 2: our electrical grid goes down, right, and you don't even 520 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 2: need a missile strike, you can just do it with 521 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 2: cyber right, or you do what's called emp electromagnetic poles. 522 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 2: The Russians and the Chinese are the same way. They 523 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 2: have determined that the US culture is such that we 524 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 2: have a low threshold tolerance for pain. Right, you can 525 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 2: find right, like, imagine no internet, right, what are the 526 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 2: kids going to do? They can't get on TikTok okay 527 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 2: or imagine around like if we don't have like eggs. 528 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 2: Like everybody's freaking out right now. So there's a whole 529 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 2: system of measures that the Russians developed as part of 530 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 2: that doctrine, which actually described you know, it's all in 531 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 2: my book at the unclassified level. And that is why 532 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 2: during the war games, Russia one. And it's not only 533 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 2: that China also won in wargames. Every single time US 534 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,280 Speaker 2: was beat. Not because we don't have a bad military. 535 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 2: Our military knows how to fight. We are brilliant at 536 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 2: the tactical level. Strategically, we're just like so mismanaged because 537 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 2: we go in again in this situation centuries all problems, 538 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 2: and we think we're just gonna like solve, you know, 539 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 2: and make the world a better place. But it just 540 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 2: doesn't work like that. It doesn't work. So let's start 541 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 2: focusing on our There's so many people in our country 542 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 2: that are suffering, you know, like Ukrainians, and yet we 543 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 2: go and we try to solve someone else's freedom, right, 544 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 2: why not bring freedom our own freedoms are right? I mean, 545 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 2: look at what the leftists are doing to President Trump. 546 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 2: I mean, look at what they tried to do. They 547 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 2: basically he was nearly assassinated. And we just started paying 548 00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 2: attention to our land and start returning back to the 549 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 2: democratic principles here and start spending money here. I know 550 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 2: it may sound harsh to Ukrainians and my heart is 551 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 2: bleeding for those people, but Ukrainian Is don't support Zelenskie anymore. 552 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 2: He has four percent approval rating. 553 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: Jeez, but what could you do about it? He won't 554 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: hold an election, And that's what the American people don't understand. 555 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 1: And I think that there are a few things the 556 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,439 Speaker 1: American people don't understand. That he's a dictator essentially now, 557 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: and they say, oh no, how could you say that, Well, 558 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 1: he's chosen to say there will be no more elections, 559 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: and I make the choices, and the people aren't with him. 560 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: What do you call that? You know, let's be realistic 561 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: about what that actually is. And then you think about 562 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,240 Speaker 1: you talk about China, you talk about Russia. The value 563 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: systems are different, and when the United States goes in, 564 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: they're like, we're not going to leave a man behind. 565 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: These are different attitudes about people, about life. But everything 566 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: is just totally different about values, about morals, about whether 567 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: or not how you interact in business. Everything is totally different. 568 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: And the American people don't realize. And I think that's 569 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: what I mean. Even beyond war, what screwed us over 570 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: with globalization is the fact that we think everybody thinks 571 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: the same way that we do, and we are a 572 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: very unique country in that manner. And I agree with you, 573 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: it is time to put America first. It is time 574 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,919 Speaker 1: to make sure that we're following up with the other 575 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: things that President Trump has said that he wants to do, 576 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 1: and that is to make America great again, make America safe, 577 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: focus on our national security, and that's not going to 578 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: be by getting into World War three. And just before 579 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: I let you go, I will touch on what you 580 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: said about space force, because when he developed space Force, 581 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: people won't just berserk. Remember, I mean, people are like, 582 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, how stupid, how ridiculous. And I used 583 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 1: to say to people, just look at your phone. Look 584 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 1: at your phone. What would you do if you didn't 585 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: have your phone. What if you didn't have your car? 586 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 1: You couldn't navigate in your car. What if you can't 587 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: check out at the grocery store. How are you going 588 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: to do anything? Nobody's going to go back to cash 589 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,239 Speaker 1: and cash registers like this all they take us out 590 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: up there, they just walk in, they take us over. 591 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: You know, Donald Trump has looked at this from a 592 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: strategic standpoint and looked into the future more than any 593 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,280 Speaker 1: other president in the United States ever has. And thank goodness, 594 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: he's doing that. And when he sits down with Putin, 595 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: when he says, you know what, I'm going to negotiate this, 596 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: he's also looking into the future, unlike Joe Biden was 597 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: when he said go after Russia, because that was that 598 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: was so so dangerous. It could have sparked the world 599 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,760 Speaker 1: the World War. But you know what, Putin knew Trump 600 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: was coming in and Joe Biden what a coward. He 601 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 1: did that just to peacock as he walked out the door, 602 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: and he put us all in danger the only reason 603 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 1: he knew we weren't in danger. That's the ironic part 604 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: about it. He knew we weren't in danger because he 605 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: knew Donald Trump was coming to the rescue. That's the 606 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:42,839 Speaker 1: crazy part about it all. 607 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 2: Absolutely, you nailed it. I am so impressed with how 608 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 2: much of a grasp President Trump has, like not just 609 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 2: on geopolitics, but also on military affairs, because he's just 610 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:04,320 Speaker 2: think about that. For eighteen years, no other president or 611 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,760 Speaker 2: militarily and nobody said, let's stand up the space wars 612 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 2: so that we can develop the capabilities a to protect 613 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 2: our own airspace and b to develop the doctrine to 614 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 2: give the emissaries like Russia and China the taste of 615 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 2: their own medicine. Nobody had the goods to do that, 616 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,760 Speaker 2: or probably didn't even understand. 617 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: Right right right the foresight. 618 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 2: Yes, and Trump actually did and he did that, and 619 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 2: so yes, let's you know, let's see what comes out 620 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 2: out of those negotiations, even though I'm not very optimistic, 621 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,439 Speaker 2: you know, let's just see what happens. But the most 622 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,240 Speaker 2: important thing is that Trump is trying to restore peace, 623 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 2: not just in Ukraine. He wants stability in the world, 624 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 2: and Russia is actually the key to a lot of 625 00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 2: these places. Right. Trump was playing a very multi national 626 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 2: kind of like chess game because he wants to split 627 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 2: up the all these you know, alliances that are a 628 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 2: threat to the US. He went to slit up Russian China. 629 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 2: He went to sew it up Iran and and and 630 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 2: Russia Russian North Korea because and the other day President 631 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 2: Trump said Russia in China are not natural allies, even 632 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 2: though they position themselves as like no limits partnership. I mean, 633 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 2: that is so astude. I've been saying it for so 634 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 2: many years. Why are they not natural allies? Because I 635 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 2: know that the Russians consider China as a threat Number two? Right, 636 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 2: they would never be because of the longest border in 637 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 2: the Far East. And person mentioned that Russia has a 638 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 2: lot of land, Chinese have a lot of people. And 639 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 2: Moscow has been afraid that Beijing is going to eventually 640 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 2: invade their territory. And that's exactly why I put the 641 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 2: developed that tactical nuclear weapons capability and the doctrine. The 642 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,320 Speaker 2: Russians say they developed it Pornado and for the United 643 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 2: States to deter US from meddling into their backyard. But 644 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 2: in reality, it's for both, it's for China as well. 645 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 2: But just think about how much Trump understands and that's 646 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 2: what he wants to do. So let's give him a 647 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 2: little time saying with like Russia, Iran the non natural 648 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 2: uh uh so uh, President Trump wants to prevent around 649 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:37,479 Speaker 2: from actually operationalizing the nuclear capability. He could potentially use 650 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 2: Putin to help to make that happen. But there's so 651 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 2: many pieces to this, so we just need to give 652 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 2: him a little time, right, And. 653 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: He's not ignoring it. I mean, I have to say, 654 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 1: the fact that he's there, that's a big change from 655 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 1: what we've had the last four years. We've had an 656 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,439 Speaker 1: endless war with no discussion. So I mean, I love 657 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 1: what you're telling us. Your insight is so appreciated because 658 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 1: I think it is important. What you said earlier about 659 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: actually digging into this stuff is so important because I 660 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,360 Speaker 1: don't think the American people get the full story. But 661 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 1: having you here today was just absolutely amazing. I could 662 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 1: talk to you for like three more hours, of course, 663 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,720 Speaker 1: and people should definitely go read your book, Rebecca Coffler, 664 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 1: tell them where they can find it. 665 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,239 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. The book is I can be 666 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 2: found anyway in any bookstore wherever the books are sold, 667 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 2: including on on Amazon. And I also regularly publish my 668 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 2: intelligence analysis a classified version basically on several outlets, Box News, 669 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,360 Speaker 2: Neal Posts, the British Telegraph, and everything is on my 670 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 2: ex channel. My handle is at Rebecca zero one three two, 671 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,760 Speaker 2: and that's where I'll also run my podcast that you mentioned, 672 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 2: Sence and but Not Silenced. 673 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,239 Speaker 1: Awesome. Thank you so much, and thank you all for 674 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 1: listening to the Tutor Dixon podcast. For this episode and others. 675 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: Go to Tutor Dixon podcast dot com, the iHeartRadio app, 676 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,719 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and join 677 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,399 Speaker 1: us next time. Have a blessed day.