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Speaker 1: It is Tusy November seventeenth, twenty twenty, Season sixteen, episode
Speaker 1: number sixty five. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break.
Speaker 1: I'm live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at the
Speaker 1: Star got Nick David Amber joining me today and we're
Speaker 1: gonna turn the show over over to Amber here in
Speaker 1: just a little bit. We're gonna do some fan questions.
Speaker 1: We don't get to fan questions often enough, so we
Speaker 1: decided we're going to turn over the almost most of
Speaker 1: the show today to you guys and let you guys
Speaker 1: get some questions in and we'll answer as many as
Speaker 1: we can and hear what you guys think is important
Speaker 1: to discuss. We do have a few news items, a
Speaker 1: few topics we want to hit before we get to that.
Speaker 1: Though yesterday we find out that Andy Dalton and Cheeto
Speaker 1: a Woozier. Both we're back at practice. According to coach McCarthy,
Speaker 1: the expectation is at this point that they will both
Speaker 1: play this weekend. First, starting with Andy, do you expect
Speaker 1: to see the offense playing better than it playning even
Speaker 1: better than it did versus Pittsburgh with Andy back, Nick,
Speaker 1: let's start with you. Yeah, I think I expect that.
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys expect that or they would have,
Speaker 1: you know, gone to Gilbert. I think that they feel
Speaker 1: like a little bit better quarterback play would have won
Speaker 1: that game. I'm sure it would have won the Eagles
Speaker 1: game as well, and so, you know, as as good
Speaker 1: as Hilbert played, based off our expectations, I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, it could have been way better obviously, And
Speaker 1: I think that they're just hoping that Dalton, with a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks off here, maybe he's fully healthy now
Speaker 1: and he can convert some of those field goals into touchdowns.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I would I would think that he could
Speaker 1: be a little bit better amber I think, so there's
Speaker 1: a possibility of that, but there's just something that I
Speaker 1: feel that it just doesn't work with Andy Dalton, and
Speaker 1: I think obviously he has all the experience. He's a
Speaker 1: proven guy. You've seen him do it. You know he
Speaker 1: can do it. But at the same time, for some reason,
Speaker 1: and this is just me, I just feel that he
Speaker 1: just doesn't quite fit in with the guys in the offense.
Speaker 1: I just feel like there is a lack of connection
Speaker 1: there and unity in a way. And there's nothing necessarily
Speaker 1: to back this up. It's merely based on the interviews
Speaker 1: that I've watched the guys when they go up there
Speaker 1: and try to talk to the media. Just the way
Speaker 1: I've heard certain players express themselves about Andy Dalton makes
Speaker 1: me feel like there's a lack of unity there and
Speaker 1: a lack of connection. And not to say there's nothing
Speaker 1: bad and like it's nothing bad against him whatsoever or
Speaker 1: his skills, but to me, personally, I just feel that
Speaker 1: Gary Gilbert fits in better and therefore maybe that's the
Speaker 1: reason why we saw the offense perform differently than what
Speaker 1: we saw with Andy Dalton, even though Andy Dalton have
Speaker 1: had a very limited time on the field. Dave, those
Speaker 1: Andy is Andy quotes really bothered you. Huh, what'd you
Speaker 1: say that that was the only thing coming out when
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton was the starting quarterback was Andy's Andy. He
Speaker 1: looks the same as he always does, and if you're
Speaker 1: not wrong, it was very boring. But I'm I lean
Speaker 1: toward thinking Andy Dalton's going to be a pretty drastic improvement, honestly,
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm banking mainly on the fact that Zack
Speaker 1: Martin basically was out for both of his starts. He
Speaker 1: went down actually in that Arizona game and missed the
Speaker 1: Washington game. I think having him there can stabilize that
Speaker 1: offensive line. And yeah, like I think he's the better quarterback.
Speaker 1: I'll be surprised if he doesn't play significantly better than
Speaker 1: he did against the Cardinals and Washington. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that'll be the interesting thing. I'm cautiously optimistic, is the
Speaker 1: way I would put it, because I do think that
Speaker 1: what I saw from the offense last week was different
Speaker 1: than what I've seen since Dak has been out. So
Speaker 1: what I don't know is, like you say, Dave, I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's because Zack Martin was out and
Speaker 1: now Zack's back and the offensive line was better because
Speaker 1: of that, or was the offensive line better because the
Speaker 1: quarterback got rid of the ball quicker and was being
Speaker 1: more decisive with his decisions getting the ball out right.
Speaker 1: So that's where I really don't know, and I think
Speaker 1: that'll be an interesting thing to keep an eye on
Speaker 1: this week, as everything points to the fact that Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton will be your starter and presumably play the entire game.
Speaker 1: Let's look at the defensive side of the ball. Cheeto's
Speaker 1: coming back. You've lost Treyvon Diggs. Do you expect the
Speaker 1: defense to be better, worse, or the same with basically
Speaker 1: swapping out Cheeto for Treyvon Dick. Let's start with you,
Speaker 1: Dave the same. I think you're you're swapping out one
Speaker 1: solid corner who occasionally gets beaten for another solid corner
Speaker 1: who occasionally gets beaten. I think if you had them both,
Speaker 1: you would probably feel pretty good, but you don't. So
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's Cheeto on one side, and then
Speaker 1: you piece it together with everybody else as you go.
Speaker 1: So I would guess it's gonna look fairly similar, which
Speaker 1: is to say, okay, all right, Nick, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I mean you'd like to have
Speaker 1: them both because I think they would be your two
Speaker 1: best cornerbacks, especially the two best on the outside. But
Speaker 1: you know, Cheeto will well should be it should be
Speaker 1: well rested. He also should should you know, be aware
Speaker 1: of certain things, certain looks. Um And you know Minnesota
Speaker 1: they have some some good receivers. They got a good,
Speaker 1: you know, young rookie that I know Dave knows all about.
Speaker 1: But also you know, Adam Feelin's a really good route runner,
Speaker 1: really good player, good pass catcher. So you know, you
Speaker 1: just you'd like to have it both probably from an
Speaker 1: awareness standpoint, I mean, you get more with Cheeto, but
Speaker 1: you know, Diggs is a better playmaker. And he's got
Speaker 1: two interceptions and I think Cheeto has four for his career.
Speaker 1: So for his career, yeah, So I mean it's it's
Speaker 1: you know, he gets about one a year, so um,
Speaker 1: and he's got his one. So I think it's probably
Speaker 1: going to be about a washer unfortunately, Amber, I agree.
Speaker 1: I think that we might get a similar look at
Speaker 1: least in these first few games of him coming back.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's missed a really long time. I mean
Speaker 1: it feels like he's been out since wait to you
Speaker 1: then he was out part of training camp because he
Speaker 1: had suffered another injury at training camp. I forgot what
Speaker 1: it was, but it was like maybe his knee or
Speaker 1: something like that, and he was out for a little bit,
Speaker 1: so he's missed a lot of time on the football field.
Speaker 1: So I have a feeling that it might take him
Speaker 1: a little while for him to kind of get back
Speaker 1: on the track and get back to football shape. Although
Speaker 1: they're not gonna put him out there on the field
Speaker 1: and in real game if it's not ready. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, I think it's gonna take him a
Speaker 1: couple of games to kind of go back to him
Speaker 1: full like being him full self on the field. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move to another topic. And I'm gonna ask you
Speaker 1: guys to put on your GM hats a little bit here.
Speaker 1: DeAndre Baker's a guy that's been in the news here recently.
Speaker 1: He was a guy that was on the New York Giants.
Speaker 1: He's drafted by the New York Giants. He was charged
Speaker 1: with armed robbery, and over the last day or two
Speaker 1: those charges were all dropped. At the time when he
Speaker 1: was first charged, the Giants decided to cut him. So
Speaker 1: he is a free agent. He's sitting out there was
Speaker 1: a guess ball accounts and Dave, I'll ask you, since
Speaker 1: you do the draft show, give me a scout report
Speaker 1: on what you guys thought of this guy coming into
Speaker 1: the NFL. From what I remember, DeAndre Baker, he's a
Speaker 1: pure like classic man corner. You know, Georgia used to
Speaker 1: put him out on an island. He was an elite
Speaker 1: college player. I don't think he gave up a passing
Speaker 1: touchdown during either of his seasons as a starter. Wow,
Speaker 1: average athleticism, Like he's not a freaky athlete, but he
Speaker 1: was just a sticky man corner. Giants drafted him thirtieth.
Speaker 1: He was one of three first round picks they made
Speaker 1: that year. And the big thing that I remember being
Speaker 1: a knock, which is interesting because of what's happened with
Speaker 1: him over the last six months, is his off field
Speaker 1: demeanor got a lot of bad mark People questioning how
Speaker 1: much he liked football, people questioning his attitude. I think
Speaker 1: I remember a report last season that he fell asleep
Speaker 1: during a meeting, that type of stuff. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you talk about any leap cover corner who
Speaker 1: played at a program like Georgia, you would think he
Speaker 1: would be not higher than thirtieth overall. So that probably
Speaker 1: contributed to it a little bit. And I you know,
Speaker 1: just he had a really rough rookie season, like even
Speaker 1: by rookie cornerback standards. He got picked on a lot
Speaker 1: last year, So that's kind of the thumbnail, I guess.
Speaker 1: With that all being said and understanding where this team
Speaker 1: is with regards to cornerbacks, we've talked a lot about
Speaker 1: the fact that they're gonna be losing some cornerbacks presumably
Speaker 1: or could lose some cornerbacks this offseason with free agency
Speaker 1: coming up, would you, if you were the Cowboys GM,
Speaker 1: make the decision to give this a shot, if you
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to go in and get this guy. Nick,
Speaker 1: let's start with you. Well, if I was the Cowboys GM,
Speaker 1: I would be Jerry. And if I'm Jerry, I go
Speaker 1: and look at it. I mean, Jerry does this is
Speaker 1: what This is the type of thing that Jerry always does.
Speaker 1: You're trying to steal players. You're trying to steal talent.
Speaker 1: They've done it since, you know, since the moment he
Speaker 1: got here. If Charles Haley had a little bit of
Speaker 1: talent left and he could get him for cheap, let's
Speaker 1: bring him in. And it doesn't always work out, Demetrius Underwood,
Speaker 1: Alonzo Spellman, it doesn't work out all the time. Greg Hardy,
Speaker 1: I mean, but he's trying to steal talent, and so
Speaker 1: he's gonna look at it. I think I think you
Speaker 1: have to. I think they look at the situation, they
Speaker 1: see is it worth the headache? And it sounds like
Speaker 1: in the year it's been a headache enough for the
Speaker 1: Giants to say, even without even knowing what's going on,
Speaker 1: the Giants said we're out. So that means to me,
Speaker 1: there's thirty one teams available to sign them. I doubt
Speaker 1: that Giants will be one of them because he'll probably
Speaker 1: won't want to resign them that they turned their back
Speaker 1: on him before they knew all the information. But but
Speaker 1: but they might have known enough to say no thanks.
Speaker 1: But Jerry will look into it. Doesn't mean he'll sign them,
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they'll they'll get them, but they will
Speaker 1: always try to get acquired talent like this Amber, would
Speaker 1: you kick the tires. That's a tough one because I say,
Speaker 1: you always want to get talent, especially at an area
Speaker 1: of need on your team. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I'm someone who doesn't want to deal with behavioral issues
Speaker 1: and problems outside the field, so I don't want to
Speaker 1: bring that into the locker room or anything like that,
Speaker 1: and to me, hearing what the head coach from the
Speaker 1: Giants said and the fact that they're like, you know,
Speaker 1: we made the decision that this is what's better for
Speaker 1: our team not to have him on there, to me,
Speaker 1: that says a lot because those people know you a
Speaker 1: lot better than other teams do, and people from the outside,
Speaker 1: and we know we've seen it. I mean, Nick was
Speaker 1: talking about Jerry Jones, and we've seen it with Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones when it comes to certain players, for example, Randy Gregory,
Speaker 1: very very very different story. But when you have guys
Speaker 1: that you have their backs and you want to root
Speaker 1: for them and all that, it just to me says
Speaker 1: a lot that the fact that the Giants decided to
Speaker 1: turn their backs and say by so I would say
Speaker 1: I'll pass on that, Dave. I just want to point
Speaker 1: two more players real quick though, two more players and
Speaker 1: Dave might even mention this, but that are on the
Speaker 1: roster right now. Jordan Lewis and Lyle Collins, both of
Speaker 1: those guys. The Cowboys did their homework. They said, all right,
Speaker 1: we see what's in the news, we see what's been
Speaker 1: reported and all this, but let's do our homework and
Speaker 1: see and they brought both of them in and you know,
Speaker 1: there hasn't been any issues there. So I'm not saying
Speaker 1: this the same thing. Like Amber said, everything's different, but
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys will at least do their homework.
Speaker 1: They have to, they'd be silly not to, and then
Speaker 1: they'll make their judgment from there. I would also point
Speaker 1: out that, you know, you can say the Giants turned
Speaker 1: their back on and maybe they did, but the charges
Speaker 1: that were alleged were pretty intense, like if you go
Speaker 1: read the police report from over the summer, talking about
Speaker 1: sticking guns and people's phases and all kinds of crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: So you know, it was the type of situation where
Speaker 1: I don't blame a team for wanting to distance themselves
Speaker 1: from that. You know, this isn't like cutting a guy
Speaker 1: over a drug, you know, a marijuana arrest or something
Speaker 1: like that, So I think that's a little bit different.
Speaker 1: I don't really think there's a wrong answer to this,
Speaker 1: like kick the tires on a first round talent, maybe
Speaker 1: you steal something player like Nick said, or also if
Speaker 1: you just feel like he's it's not worth risking, you know,
Speaker 1: the influence in the room that I don't blame you
Speaker 1: for that either. I lean toward thinking I'd give it
Speaker 1: a look just because there's really no downside. You bring
Speaker 1: him in for seven weeks, see what he can do.
Speaker 1: If it goes great, that's great, and if it doesn't,
Speaker 1: you can let him go. So yeah, I'd probably do
Speaker 1: it just because I don't. Yeah. I The one thing
Speaker 1: I'll say here is I look at the Giants and
Speaker 1: that actually gives me pause what they did. And the
Speaker 1: reason why is because if he's a young guy who
Speaker 1: they drafted high, that they were willing to say at
Speaker 1: that moment, without having all of the facts, or at
Speaker 1: least all the facts that we know of, we're willing
Speaker 1: to say, hey, we're just gonna part ways. It makes
Speaker 1: me think that maybe his behavior before that corroborated that
Speaker 1: story enough for them, right, they could see a scenario.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you hear something that someone did and
Speaker 1: you're like, uh, doesn't shock me, right, Or you hear
Speaker 1: something someone didn't you're like, oh my god, really, I
Speaker 1: think this might have fallen in the category maybe for
Speaker 1: the Giants of doesn't shock me, And so in that situation,
Speaker 1: they were like, he's not playing great on the field,
Speaker 1: maybe his attitude isn't what we wanted to be. We're
Speaker 1: not shocked by this. We make a move. That's the
Speaker 1: kind of thing that would make me a little bit leary.
Speaker 1: But as you mentioned, Nick, like the cowboys do this,
Speaker 1: this is what they do. They look at situations where
Speaker 1: they can steal talent and get it on the cheap,
Speaker 1: and and so I think they certainly should because that's
Speaker 1: the way they proceed I think they should at least
Speaker 1: take a look at this, do their due diligence, which
Speaker 1: I'm sure they have people who can find out more
Speaker 1: information about what really happened and find out, you know,
Speaker 1: what this guy's really all about. And then if they
Speaker 1: feel like they can bring him in without affecting the
Speaker 1: locker room, if they think they can bring him in
Speaker 1: and be a second chance for him where maybe if
Speaker 1: his attitude wasn't great in the past, maybe they can
Speaker 1: think it can get better, then do that because they
Speaker 1: certainly could use the talent. We all know at the
Speaker 1: cornerback position, they could definitely use a talent, So I
Speaker 1: think it would be a good thing for them long term.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go and take our first break and we
Speaker 1: come back. We're gonna jumpupto Fan questions. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: up to a lot of them, Amber Haasm all lined
Speaker 1: up for us. Do that when we come right back.
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Speaker 1: is the second segment of The Break Will Life from
Speaker 1: the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star. We're going to
Speaker 1: spend the whole rest of the show taking questions from
Speaker 1: you guys. We want to hear what you guys have
Speaker 1: to think. Amber has questions lined up. Amber, what you got? Okay,
Speaker 1: Now that I'm looking at the list of questions this question,
Speaker 1: I probably should have given you guys the heads up
Speaker 1: because I doubt you know this from the back of
Speaker 1: your head. But yesterday, Derek, you brought up Jeff heath
Speaker 1: and and what he's doing over there in Vegas when
Speaker 1: you start looking at his contract compared to what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are losing in guarantees when they decided to cut Haha,
Speaker 1: Clinton Dix, how does that compares. They're a big amount
Speaker 1: of money in comparison to what they did with Clinton
Speaker 1: Dix versus what they could have done with Jeff Heath
Speaker 1: and trying to keep him here in Dallas. No, they're not.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're not that different. I think Haha, Shoot,
Speaker 1: I can pull it up. Haha signed for like one year,
Speaker 1: three and a half with two and a half of
Speaker 1: that guaranteed. Jeff if Heath signed a two year, six
Speaker 1: million dollar deal. I think, Um, yeah, Haha signed a
Speaker 1: four million dollar deal. Jeff Heath signed a two year,
Speaker 1: six million dollar deal. So they're very similar. And when
Speaker 1: when Heath left and Haha signed, people were like, this
Speaker 1: is a wash or maybe even a downgrade, like at
Speaker 1: this point in his career, Haha, Clinton Dix is not
Speaker 1: definitively better than Jeff Heath. Um. I think that's I
Speaker 1: think that's a difference between you know, a coaching staff.
Speaker 1: You know, the guys that really loved and knew Jeff
Speaker 1: Heath aren't here anymore, and the new coaching staff wanted
Speaker 1: somebody that they were more familiar with, or they thought
Speaker 1: it was a better fit. I'm trying to hear people
Speaker 1: act like letting Jeff Heath go was this stupid decision
Speaker 1: based on how many fans hated him while he was here. Though,
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's the that's the epitome of hindsight
Speaker 1: is twenty twenty. Now. To follow that up, do you
Speaker 1: guys think still think that it was a bad decision
Speaker 1: from the Cowboys to have decided to cut Hicklington Dicks
Speaker 1: before the start of the season and even giving him
Speaker 1: a trying to having him on the field. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: when when you consider that they brought in Stephen Parker
Speaker 1: up and up and down from the practice squad, and
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, it's hard for us to
Speaker 1: say how bad haha. It was apparently the coaches didn't
Speaker 1: didn't like him at all, and and they'd let him go.
Speaker 1: And I don't believe he's in the league anywhere, so
Speaker 1: you know, it's he must have been pretty bad. But
Speaker 1: I mean, when you what you've seen out of Darien
Speaker 1: Thompson and Stephen Parker and you think, well, I'd like
Speaker 1: to thank for the veteran, it would click here at
Speaker 1: some point, um. So I thought it was a little
Speaker 1: bit early to do that, especially when you don't have
Speaker 1: any backups that are playing well. Your starter next to
Speaker 1: lager Woods isn't doing anything really, so I would have
Speaker 1: probably kept him. But again, it's hard to say we
Speaker 1: weren't watching a ton of practice to be able to
Speaker 1: see what was happening and what wasn't happening. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: will say I always thought it was Oh sorry, I
Speaker 1: always I mean, Nick is right, we didn't get to
Speaker 1: see a whole lot, But like I remember thinking it
Speaker 1: was weird, haha. Was a starter for about the first
Speaker 1: four days of practice, and then he was just buried
Speaker 1: on the depth chart, And I was always like, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: we sure haven't had a whole lot of training camp
Speaker 1: for y all toon just decide that this guy's not
Speaker 1: worth a damn right off the bat, like it must
Speaker 1: have been. I mean, he either must have been way
Speaker 1: more atrocious than I thought, or maybe the fit just
Speaker 1: wasn't there with the coaches. Maybe they didn't you know,
Speaker 1: people talk about, you know, trading Everson Griffin. Maybe because
Speaker 1: he didn't mess with the coaches. Maybe it was a
Speaker 1: situation like that. I don't know. It sure felt like
Speaker 1: they abandoned the experiment early, but I'm pretty confident saying like,
Speaker 1: I don't think their safety play would be significantly better
Speaker 1: if he was still here. I think the mistake was
Speaker 1: not investing more heavily in the offseason, which I mean,
Speaker 1: we all know that anyway. Yeah, I'll say this that
Speaker 1: the interesting part to me is, and I know, in
Speaker 1: NFL terms, Dave, I think you said that the number
Speaker 1: was two million that was guaranteed on that deal. Obviously
Speaker 1: in NFL terms, that's not a ton of money. But
Speaker 1: for me, I look at it and say, how wrong
Speaker 1: were they either in the evaluation when they were trying
Speaker 1: to sign him or once he got here? How bad
Speaker 1: did he actually play for them to just say, hey,
Speaker 1: we'd rather just give you two million dollars to leave us,
Speaker 1: you know, at a position where we already we don't
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen, we don't have a clear starter,
Speaker 1: we don't have players that we feel like are great.
Speaker 1: To me, that's more of a just kind of a
Speaker 1: really weird situation where how bad did he have to
Speaker 1: really play or how off were they in their evaluations
Speaker 1: when they signed him to just give him two million
Speaker 1: dollars to walk away? That that's the part that really
Speaker 1: baffles me here, And I don't know that we really
Speaker 1: know the answer. I think part of it is in
Speaker 1: the fact that if it's true that he hasn't signed
Speaker 1: with anyone to this point, then that may tell you
Speaker 1: a lot that maybe we made the evaluation or the
Speaker 1: Cowboys made the evaluation that was very different than a
Speaker 1: lot of other teams, and that the other teams are liking, Oh,
Speaker 1: there's no way we're taking this guy, and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: were willing to give him two million dollars to just
Speaker 1: walk away and go sit at home. Now, let's switch
Speaker 1: the subject over to the quarterback position. I think we
Speaker 1: all assume that Andy Dalton might be the starter this weekend. Nick,
Speaker 1: you can start answering this question, what would you say
Speaker 1: is the length of Dalton's leash as far as at
Speaker 1: what point how many games do the Cowboys give him
Speaker 1: and for them to maybe decide, Okay, maybe he's not
Speaker 1: the right fit, and then maybe we need to let
Speaker 1: Gary Gilbert play as the quarterback. One if he's terrible,
Speaker 1: two if it's if he's okay, but they lose, and
Speaker 1: then the second one is not very you know, not
Speaker 1: very good either. But if it's terrible in Minnesota one
Speaker 1: But but but you gotta be careful. You gotta be
Speaker 1: careful right now with all that, and you the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have to be prepared for a lot of things going
Speaker 1: into this, one of them being get Garrett Gilbert ready
Speaker 1: to play against Washington. And I think it was Chris
Speaker 1: Beam that pointed this up. Chris, our producer, said, you
Speaker 1: better get a backup snapper, you better get another quarterback,
Speaker 1: you better get a backup hunter kicker, because if something
Speaker 1: happens in this game with the COVID rules, you don't
Speaker 1: have enough time to get another player for Thursday to
Speaker 1: bring him in here and all that. So that that
Speaker 1: being said, you better get guys ready to go. I'm
Speaker 1: giving Dalton one game. If he's if he's not good
Speaker 1: at all, then then I'm gonna go to Gilbert. And
Speaker 1: that's not a very long leash. But that's how close
Speaker 1: it is for me right now, Derek or Dave, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, Um, I mean, if Andy is just absolutely
Speaker 1: god awful, like just Utrid on Sunday, then I think
Speaker 1: probably one game. Like I mean, if he just absolutely
Speaker 1: looks terrible quarters right, yeah, I mean, but I I
Speaker 1: guess my point. I just I just I'll be pretty
Speaker 1: surprised if that happens, Like I'll be pretty surprised if
Speaker 1: he is awful. So I mean I could stand to
Speaker 1: be corrected, but my guess is. As long as he
Speaker 1: looks decent, I think he's the starter, and as long
Speaker 1: as Dallas is mathematically alive, you know, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: if if they're trading wins and losses, I think he's
Speaker 1: the starter the rest of the way. If they lose
Speaker 1: the next three games and they're two and ten, then
Speaker 1: I think you probably want to look at Garrett Gilbert. Um.
Speaker 1: So as as long as he doesn't look god awful,
Speaker 1: I think he's the starter as long as they're still
Speaker 1: technically in the division race. But I mean if he
Speaker 1: just looks terrible against Minnesota, then I think you have
Speaker 1: to change that line of thinking. Yeah, you know, to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, if you guys listen to Jerry
Speaker 1: this morning on the radio, he made it seem as
Speaker 1: though like that's his guy. Andy is his They brought
Speaker 1: him in for this purpose exactly if you had to
Speaker 1: put a quarterback in. He feels like he has the
Speaker 1: most experience. He is, as Jerry called him this morning,
Speaker 1: he is a starter. He is a starter caliber quarterback
Speaker 1: in the NFL. I don't think anybody's saying that necessarily
Speaker 1: about Garrett Gilbert. So as much as we all may
Speaker 1: see think that, I personally, don't think that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are thinking that. I think, when it comes down to it,
Speaker 1: unless there is a situation where he is just playing
Speaker 1: just really horrible football, I think that down for the
Speaker 1: rest of the season, unless he's injured or unless COVID
Speaker 1: pops back up. I think Andy Dalton is going to
Speaker 1: be your starter, and they're gonna see how they do
Speaker 1: with Andy Dalton as a starter, because I think they
Speaker 1: believe in his experience and they want to take advantage
Speaker 1: of the experience, and that's why they brought him here,
Speaker 1: is to be able to take advantage of the experience.
Speaker 1: So he's gonna have to be really, really awful in
Speaker 1: order for them to not play him and go with it.
Speaker 1: Garrett Gilbert, That's funny because you guys keep talking about
Speaker 1: being awful, and then I'm just here thinking, Okay, be
Speaker 1: fine awful because already, so what's the level of awful? Okay, Cardinals, Cardinals,
Speaker 1: because I mean, Washington such a wash. Okay, that was
Speaker 1: just terrible the way the whole thing was set up
Speaker 1: for failure there, And I think you'll see that next
Speaker 1: Thursday when they play. I think it'll be a much
Speaker 1: different type of game. Zach Martin will help a lot there.
Speaker 1: The weather obviously everything's going to be different. But Arizona
Speaker 1: they it wasn't all his fault. He didn't get a
Speaker 1: lot of help. He got some drop passes, but he
Speaker 1: wasn't that great either, and they only had three points
Speaker 1: until everybody went to bed, and then they scored another touchdown.
Speaker 1: So I think that's kind of borderline here. You're playing
Speaker 1: about equal type team Minnesota Arizona. Arizona is better than Minnesota,
Speaker 1: but you know they're they're about close to equal. And
Speaker 1: if he doesn't play well, they has a field goal
Speaker 1: through most of the game. That's pretty awful for me.
Speaker 1: See I I think, I mean, I hear you. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying Andy was good against Arizona, but just looking
Speaker 1: at it, you know, he completed sixty three percent for
Speaker 1: two sixty six. Let him on a couple of score drives. Again,
Speaker 1: not saying they played great, they got their asses kicked.
Speaker 1: But if he can do that, I think he stays in.
Speaker 1: It's more like if he's posting the line like Ben
Speaker 1: da Nucci did in Philly or you know Carson Winson Philly,
Speaker 1: where you're struggling to even approach two hundred yards passing,
Speaker 1: you know, four yards per attempt, something terrible like that.
Speaker 1: That's where I think you have to make a change.
Speaker 1: But he at least looked like a competent quarterback against Arizona,
Speaker 1: So I think he would have to be worse than
Speaker 1: that to get pulled. Yeah, I think honestly, it's gonna
Speaker 1: cut down two turnovers and it's gonna come down to
Speaker 1: missing opportunities. So if regularly the coaches us seeing this
Speaker 1: guy is open, he missed the read, he didn't get
Speaker 1: the ball there, he missed the throw, or and or
Speaker 1: I should say he's turning the ball over. If he's
Speaker 1: throwing interceptions, if he's getting sack fumbles where he's just
Speaker 1: giving the ball away. I think those are two things
Speaker 1: that I think would quickly define for them that he's
Speaker 1: playing poorly. And if you get to that situation, then
Speaker 1: I think maybe they make him. We heard Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: talk about how one of the keys for him right
Speaker 1: now with this team is trying to solve the turnover issue.
Speaker 1: So if he takes it back to where they were
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, where they're turning the ball over
Speaker 1: at this you know, crazy rate and he's doing two
Speaker 1: or three turnovers the game, then I think that could
Speaker 1: get him pulled. Do you have something right? Well, let's
Speaker 1: take our final. Okay, I thought you had something good. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I can't say nake on my screen, so I didn't
Speaker 1: know if he was about to talk or not. I mean,
Speaker 1: I always have something, but I mean I'll just yeah,
Speaker 1: let me throw this part in. If it's not that great,
Speaker 1: do you get an advantage by starting Gilbert against Washington?
Speaker 1: Now Washington hasn't seen him. They prepared for Dalton and
Speaker 1: it was well for them. Gilbert would give them maybe
Speaker 1: a new look. You only have a short amount of
Speaker 1: time to do that. But I'm just saying, you know,
Speaker 1: if it's not that great, and we know how it
Speaker 1: is on Thanksgiving, there's always a spark, there's always something.
Speaker 1: It would be a similar type atmosphere and maybe to
Speaker 1: the to the Pittsburgh game, even though you'd have more
Speaker 1: home fans, I'm sure, but I'm just saying, it's it's
Speaker 1: that festive feeling. I think Gilbert, if it's not good,
Speaker 1: if they lose, they lose in a bad way against Minnesota,
Speaker 1: I think I could see that switch and it might
Speaker 1: given an advantage as Washington hasn't prepared for him yet.
Speaker 1: You'll see what happens pretty soon. Let's go ahead and
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Speaker 1: of the show. Amber's taking questions from the fans and
Speaker 1: we're going to jump right back in which you got Amber.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Derek. I have a long question, so bear
Speaker 1: with me and be patient. We keep talking a lot
Speaker 1: about the draft and all that. So here's a draft question. Basically,
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys finished with the worst record in the NFL,
Speaker 1: is there any chance that they decide to draft a
Speaker 1: quarterback or Trevor Lawrence and let dakhnt free agency in
Speaker 1: order for them to be able to take advantage of
Speaker 1: the lower cap number and therefore be able to show
Speaker 1: up on defense and fix the issues on the O line,
Speaker 1: so basically, to save money so they can fix other
Speaker 1: issues around the team. This is going to be the
Speaker 1: debate that doesn't go away as long as the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are in the top five of the draft order, which
Speaker 1: we'll see, you know, obviously, we'll see how that pans out.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a very interesting topic of conversation because
Speaker 1: you're taking a hell of a risk that any rookie
Speaker 1: quarterback is ever going to be better than what we've
Speaker 1: seen from Dak Prescott. Having said that you know, Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence is probably and honestly, I think the world of
Speaker 1: Justin Fields too. I think those are maybe the best
Speaker 1: pair of quarterback prospects that have come out since Andrew
Speaker 1: Luck and Robert Griffin were at the top of the
Speaker 1: draft in twenty twelve. And to be blunt, I don't
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys would be doing their jobs correctly as
Speaker 1: a front office if they didn't at least consider it.
Speaker 1: But I also one, I don't think they're going to
Speaker 1: be drafting in the top two and two. I think
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott is that good that it's probably not worth
Speaker 1: the risk of letting him walk. So I don't think
Speaker 1: you're crazy for asking the question, but I don't think
Speaker 1: it's going to happen either. I think the Cowboys I
Speaker 1: agree with it. I agree with that with what Dave said.
Speaker 1: I don't think they will be drafting right up there,
Speaker 1: but you know close enough to at least talk about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, think about last year this point last year,
Speaker 1: everyone was saying the Dolphins or other teams might tank
Speaker 1: for Tuah. Well, twa ends up fifth, right or fifth
Speaker 1: or sixth, so he fell a little bit. So I'm
Speaker 1: not saying Lawrence is gonna fall, but I'm saying we
Speaker 1: don't really know how everything's gonna always shake out. But
Speaker 1: I I just I think the Cowboys going to do
Speaker 1: their homework and evaluate these quarterbacks. And if Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: is the number one quarterback, a number one player on
Speaker 1: the board and all of that, and he's one of
Speaker 1: the best they've seen and all this time, then yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you have to consider that because yes, he's
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback, but you know you put him in.
Speaker 1: This team was designed to be that way. I mean,
Speaker 1: they brought in a rookie quarterback and he had success
Speaker 1: because of how it was built. Now it's it's not
Speaker 1: built that way now, but it can get rebuilt that
Speaker 1: way if you had an extra thirty one million dollars
Speaker 1: sitting around like you do this year. So I think
Speaker 1: you have to consider it. I mean, if you're up
Speaker 1: there and Trevor Lawrence is definitely the guy that they
Speaker 1: think is one of the best quarterbacks has come out
Speaker 1: in recent years. You know, I'll point out a couple
Speaker 1: of things on this. The first thing is when they
Speaker 1: brought in Dak obviously they didn't expect Dak to be
Speaker 1: what Dak became. But what made Dak so successful initially
Speaker 1: as a young quarterback was the fact that he had
Speaker 1: a great offensive line. And I'm not certain how much
Speaker 1: stock I put in this offensive line going into next year.
Speaker 1: I think they got some good parts. I think they
Speaker 1: got some really good players. I just don't know what
Speaker 1: the health the situation will be for some of them,
Speaker 1: and so I don't know what where the offensive line stands.
Speaker 1: But that all being said, the way I look at
Speaker 1: this is if you're in the top two, there is
Speaker 1: going to be a ransom to be paid by a
Speaker 1: lot of teams who are looking for quarterbacks to get
Speaker 1: into those top two. So you can look at it
Speaker 1: two different ways. And you looked at it from the
Speaker 1: standpoint of do you restart the clock essentially on the
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback and have those years or you don't have
Speaker 1: to worry about paying a quarterback and invest those resources
Speaker 1: in the defense. I'll look at another way of do
Speaker 1: you want to trade back get, like I said, a
Speaker 1: ransom of picks from a team that's willing to jump up,
Speaker 1: that wants to jump up to be able to get
Speaker 1: a shot at one of those two quarterbacks and then
Speaker 1: use those picks in order to restart your defense. That's
Speaker 1: the way I would prefer to do it, because I'm
Speaker 1: a bird in the hand kind of guy. If I've
Speaker 1: already got a quarterback, I don't know that I'm trying
Speaker 1: to go back to the well. Even if I think
Speaker 1: I might marginally get better at quarterback. I think I
Speaker 1: got a quarterback that's good enough to win championships with.
Speaker 1: So for me, I say, if you get to the
Speaker 1: top two, you you trade back, you get more picks,
Speaker 1: You use those picks to re infuse into your defense,
Speaker 1: maybe an offensive lineman, and you see where you go
Speaker 1: from there. I'm all in on DAK. I stick with DAK.
Speaker 1: I don't make I don't. I don't change that up now.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't. I should know this by heart based on
Speaker 1: me covering this team in the NFL for like six years.
Speaker 1: But I forget dates and all of that every single year.
Speaker 1: So when you look out free agency and the draft
Speaker 1: and all that draft is in late April, I believe,
Speaker 1: and which basically, which decision do you need to make first?
Speaker 1: Either figure out what you're gonna do with DAC or
Speaker 1: wait until the draft to see if you get a
Speaker 1: chance to possibly draft a quarterback. You have to tag
Speaker 1: Dac by sometime in February. I don't know the date
Speaker 1: off the top of my head, but it's the same
Speaker 1: every year. The deadline to use the franchise tag is
Speaker 1: usually two weeks to a month before the start of
Speaker 1: free agency. That's I mean, I've been saying that forever.
Speaker 1: That's why the Cowboys need this money. That's why they're
Speaker 1: not using it. Is like they have to tag Dak.
Speaker 1: Like the odds of them getting a deal done between
Speaker 1: the end of the season and the start of free
Speaker 1: agency it's not impossible. It's also not very likely. That
Speaker 1: does not happen very often because players want to hit
Speaker 1: the market. They don't want to do the hard work
Speaker 1: for the team. They want to see what they can
Speaker 1: get offered. So Dak will need to be tagged by February.
Speaker 1: I mean I would tag him like the day after
Speaker 1: the season ends, just to get it out of the way,
Speaker 1: and then you go from there. You don't have to
Speaker 1: sign him long term. You can keep him on the
Speaker 1: tag and see what happens, you know, whether that's draft
Speaker 1: capital or potential trades and all that stuff. But he's
Speaker 1: gonna need to be tagged very soon after the season.
Speaker 1: Hey Dave, Dave, I have a question for you on that.
Speaker 1: Do you do you believe the reports that were out
Speaker 1: there that this last offseason that on the actual final
Speaker 1: day to actually do a long term deal, that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and Dak's people were getting closer and they basically
Speaker 1: ran out of time. Do you do you put any
Speaker 1: stock in those reports? Because the reason why I asked
Speaker 1: that is, if you put stock in those reports, maybe
Speaker 1: they're ready to do a deal. Once the new season
Speaker 1: opens and they say, hey, you can sign your guys,
Speaker 1: maybe they're ready to do a deal. If they were
Speaker 1: getting close at that point and they still feel the
Speaker 1: same way about one another. I think I believe that
Speaker 1: they started talking, like you know, I don't think it
Speaker 1: was dramatic. I don't think that they were like trying
Speaker 1: to get the signatures on the paper and they ran
Speaker 1: out of time. You know, I think they they probably
Speaker 1: you know, I buy that they talked and they like
Speaker 1: maybe made some progress. But if you were close enough
Speaker 1: to the point where it might have gotten signed, it
Speaker 1: would have gotten signed. So I don't completely buy that.
Speaker 1: And like I said, it's it's definitely possible. Maybe Dak's
Speaker 1: injury changes some things as well. You know, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: Dak would agree to a deal that he's that he
Speaker 1: wouldn't have before because of what's going on with his ankle.
Speaker 1: I tend to doubt that. That's just a guess on
Speaker 1: my part from what I know about Dak. So I
Speaker 1: really I don't view this as being any different than
Speaker 1: it was. They're rehabbing everything, all right, Um, what are
Speaker 1: you gonna say something? Nick? Now? Go ahead? Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I'll just post this this question to you first. Uh, you, Derek,
Speaker 1: you brought up the whole current Old Line situation. So
Speaker 1: going back to that and what the current what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys currently have there and the issues that we've seen
Speaker 1: based on that group starters and backups. Um, how viable
Speaker 1: does it look for twenty twenty one or how much
Speaker 1: resources are you thinking that the Cowboys are going to
Speaker 1: have to put into the Old Line this upcoming year? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I do think that they're going to have to address that, um,
Speaker 1: and that the sad part is is that they have
Speaker 1: been addressing it. I mean maybe not at tackle, but
Speaker 1: they they've continued to do that. I Mean, Connor McGovern
Speaker 1: was just a pick in the third round because that
Speaker 1: he was he had high value and they said, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll need to use him at some point. And they've
Speaker 1: addressed it. It It with addressed it with Connor Williams, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the year before and and Tyler Beatis this
Speaker 1: year and on fifth round. But but I know they
Speaker 1: have addressed it. I think they have to address the
Speaker 1: tackle position one way or another. You know, get get
Speaker 1: solid back up in here or future guy, or you know,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe you draft the guy. I know that there's
Speaker 1: some talk there. Day would know this on the draft show.
Speaker 1: I guess the guy from Oregon that's opting out and
Speaker 1: who could be a clear cut tackle at some point,
Speaker 1: could start off at guard the way Lyle did or
Speaker 1: Flows l Adams or whatever. Maybe put him in at
Speaker 1: guard until he's really ready to play tackle. So there's
Speaker 1: options there. But yeah, yes, yeah, I think you do
Speaker 1: need to address it even more now. It's funny because
Speaker 1: I feel I feel like sort of a Sunshine pumper
Speaker 1: when we talk about the offensive line, because I mean,
Speaker 1: I do agree you do need to address it. They
Speaker 1: need they need a better swing tackle, and whether that's
Speaker 1: in the draft, I mean probably needs to be in
Speaker 1: the draft, because, like we've talked about, signing one in
Speaker 1: free agency would be very expensive. But you know, Lyle
Speaker 1: Collins is twenty seven years old. I feel optimistic that
Speaker 1: he's going to be just fine when he's had a
Speaker 1: chance to rehab his surgery and Tyrn Smith unless he's retired.
Speaker 1: I don't mean this to sound mean, but you're kind
Speaker 1: of stuck with him, Like they just restructured his deal.
Speaker 1: They pushed his money back to make room for Dack's contract,
Speaker 1: so they can't like cut him or anything or trade
Speaker 1: him without it being you know, this crazy hit on
Speaker 1: their salary cap. So I would imagine you're going to
Speaker 1: rehab him and hope that him having surgery means he'll
Speaker 1: be okay. And then between you know, you still have
Speaker 1: Connor Williams, still have Connor McGovern, you still have Zach Martin,
Speaker 1: and you have Tyler Beatis. That seems pretty nice on
Speaker 1: the interior. So really we're just talking about needing a
Speaker 1: third tackle and whether, you know, if they want a
Speaker 1: draft Pennaya Sewell, I think that's how you say his name.
Speaker 1: That's the Oregon guy that seems that seems awfully dramatic
Speaker 1: to me, like drafting a swing tackle in the top ten,
Speaker 1: and I get that he could be your starter in
Speaker 1: the future, but that still feels really dramatic. But if
Speaker 1: he's the best player available, go for it. And either way,
Speaker 1: I mean sometime in the first three rounds of the draft,
Speaker 1: they probably need a draft a tackle. Yeah, my question
Speaker 1: would be if you if you were going after that
Speaker 1: Oregon tackle, can he play guard? Because if he can
Speaker 1: play guard, then that that spans you, right, that gives
Speaker 1: you an opportunity to get him on the field because
Speaker 1: he'll be one of your best five and he'll take
Speaker 1: Connor spot there at guard, and maybe Connor becomes your
Speaker 1: swing tackle, or he's your swing tackle in the event
Speaker 1: of long term injury um and then at whatever point
Speaker 1: they move on from Tyron or Tyrn retires, then you
Speaker 1: just slide him right in and he's ready to roll.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, I wouldn't I wouldn't completely
Speaker 1: push that idea out of mind if he can play guard.
Speaker 1: But but you're right, if he's not gonna play guard,
Speaker 1: then taking a top ten pick and having him a
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna be on the bit on the sideline
Speaker 1: with all the problems you got on this team, Like,
Speaker 1: that's that's a bad idea. I think. Right now, here's
Speaker 1: a finale question going into what you just said, Derek.
Speaker 1: You know, we keep talking about these old linemen that
Speaker 1: have the flexibility, and we're always questioning, oh, is he
Speaker 1: gonna play tackle or is he gonna be a guard
Speaker 1: or maybe center or whatever. I mean when you when
Speaker 1: you look into address whatever position on the old line,
Speaker 1: are you still wanting a guy that has that kind
Speaker 1: of flexibility to be moved around the line or are
Speaker 1: you looking more for someone that's more stuck at a
Speaker 1: certain position that you know it's going to be there,
Speaker 1: that maybe has more experience at let's say tackle, for example,
Speaker 1: versus to someone that's like, you're still where are we
Speaker 1: gonna play? Stam guard or tackle? So which way would
Speaker 1: you go? Someone that's strictly more one position or someone
Speaker 1: that still has that kind of flexibility That I'll answer
Speaker 1: that because I think that that's a very good question,
Speaker 1: and it's very good and it changes based off of
Speaker 1: where you're picking. I can think of two examples, one
Speaker 1: of them played for the Cowboys, but two examples where
Speaker 1: players were drafted very high because they were supposed to
Speaker 1: be great great players, so you have to play them
Speaker 1: at left tackle. But it turns out they weren't very
Speaker 1: good there. They were veter at guard. Robert Gallery was
Speaker 1: one was picked two overall by the Raiders, and Leonard Davis,
Speaker 1: picked by the Cardinals, eventually went to the Cowboys. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna draft a guard at number two, at least
Speaker 1: you didn't back then. But they drafted him at tackle.
Speaker 1: They played them there. You know. You see it in
Speaker 1: the NBA all the time too. These guys that are
Speaker 1: drafted tenth, eleventh overall, they're not that great until they
Speaker 1: go to the next team and they're a role player
Speaker 1: and that's what they're better at. So it's a tricky,
Speaker 1: tricky part. If you get those guys in the second
Speaker 1: and third round, I think that's where you love to
Speaker 1: have the flexibility. They can play different spots for you.
Speaker 1: It'll be great backups for you. But if you draft
Speaker 1: them high, I mean, position flex is one, but I'd
Speaker 1: rather have a stud at one spot and say this
Speaker 1: is where he's gonna play. I will say this too.
Speaker 1: Typically when you're drafting that high, the ability of those guys,
Speaker 1: the athletic ability of those guys typically means that you
Speaker 1: do have to position flexibility. It's kind of like Zach
Speaker 1: farther there. Zack Martin is a great player, you can
Speaker 1: move him to other spots. Now they're gonna keep him
Speaker 1: at guard, and they've kept him at guard, and they've
Speaker 1: only had him play a tackle in emergency situations. But
Speaker 1: I have no doubt that Zach Martin is such a
Speaker 1: talented player that you could probably put him anywhere on
Speaker 1: the offensive line and he'd be at least okay, if
Speaker 1: not great. Right, So I think when you're drafting that high,
Speaker 1: I think it would be in most instance the guys
Speaker 1: probably can do a little different things. That is, those
Speaker 1: are interesting names others you brought up, Nick. We have
Speaker 1: seen that happening from time to time, where guys get
Speaker 1: drafted high to play tackle because that's what you need
Speaker 1: to that's where you need to put him if you're
Speaker 1: gonna use that much draft capital. But you find out
Speaker 1: later they're they're better guards, and uh, And I think
Speaker 1: that happens from time to time. But again, I think
Speaker 1: with this whole situation and just in general, I think
Speaker 1: it is a general good principle that a player is
Speaker 1: more valuable if he has position flexibility because that does
Speaker 1: allow you to be the ability to move him if
Speaker 1: you need to, and Dave you'll you'll probably you'll know this.
Speaker 1: It seems like teams are willing to draft guards a
Speaker 1: little bit higher, especially if if there's a you know,
Speaker 1: clear cook. I know Quinton Nelson was one, but it
Speaker 1: seems like there's been others that you could draft if
Speaker 1: you've got a stud there, you're not a ready to
Speaker 1: take guard that high now, I mean, I think you can.
Speaker 1: I think Zach Martin deserves a lot of credit for that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, sixteenth overall is not like crazy high,
Speaker 1: but Brandon Shurff is another one in Washington. Quinton Nelson's like,
Speaker 1: you know, probably the best offensive line prospect that's come
Speaker 1: out in the last five years. Yeah, I think, I mean,
Speaker 1: people see the value in that a lot more than
Speaker 1: they used to. Like it used to be a thing
Speaker 1: of you know, oh, guards not somewhere you need to
Speaker 1: draft in the first round. But we know better than
Speaker 1: most that a really top notch one can make a
Speaker 1: world of difference. So it's you know, I don't bat
Speaker 1: an eyelash at this point when guards go in the
Speaker 1: top ten, and if that's the best option. Yeah, by
Speaker 1: all means, let me throw one more point out before
Speaker 1: we end the show. This is I know there's so
Speaker 1: much talking. You can't go anywhere without people saying they
Speaker 1: should tank, they should they should get a high draft picked,
Speaker 1: and all this kind of stuff. But if they if
Speaker 1: they do get into the playoffs and they say, you're
Speaker 1: sitting at eighteen or so, this team has so many
Speaker 1: needs that you can still get value throughout the draft.
Speaker 1: I mean, what if safety is in the middle of
Speaker 1: the of the you know, first round, and you take
Speaker 1: a guy there, you need one for sure, you need
Speaker 1: to actually a guard. Could you could maybe justify that
Speaker 1: if he had some position flex If you're sitting there
Speaker 1: around eighteen or so, maybe tied end. I think they're
Speaker 1: okay with with Jarwin. I'm just talking about positions that
Speaker 1: typically don't go super high. But you're sitting there, You're
Speaker 1: gonna need everything. Defensive tackle, you need everything. So I'm
Speaker 1: not too worried about it. If you can sneak into
Speaker 1: the playoffs and bill caromaraderie there, you still have some
Speaker 1: some opportunities to get a good player in anywhere really
Speaker 1: in the first round because you need us so much.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't completely disagree with you. I mean,
Speaker 1: if there's one thing where Cowboy fans, if there's one
Speaker 1: thing that you can trust this team to do for
Speaker 1: the most part, it's draft well. And you know, I
Speaker 1: know they picked Taco over t J. Watt, but their
Speaker 1: track record over the last decade speaks for itself in
Speaker 1: terms of finding talent. I think the thing when you know,
Speaker 1: when you're talking about tanking the season, it's not so
Speaker 1: much the first round pick. It's that you're picking at
Speaker 1: the top of every other round. So let's say if
Speaker 1: you're picking, you know, just like twenty sixteen, if you're
Speaker 1: picking fourth overall, that also makes you're picking thirty thirty five,
Speaker 1: you're picking sixty five, and so now you're you know,
Speaker 1: if you if you view the top one hundred as
Speaker 1: guys that are instant difference makers, you've got a chance
Speaker 1: to draft as many as four guys that could compete
Speaker 1: for starting time right away. I think that's that's what
Speaker 1: makes it more like, that's what makes it so exciting,
Speaker 1: more so than having that top ten pick, in my opinion.
Speaker 1: And I think the other thing to consider there too
Speaker 1: is and we won't know this until we get a
Speaker 1: little deeper into the draft, and by the way, we're
Speaker 1: going to be starting the draft show this year in December.
Speaker 1: But the other thing to consider there is how deep
Speaker 1: are each of these positions where the Cowboys need help? Right,
Speaker 1: Because if you've got a position that is top heavy,
Speaker 1: and let's say, for example, as the safety position its
Speaker 1: top heavy, I'm not saying it is, but if it
Speaker 1: is and you're drafting later, now your opportunities to be
Speaker 1: able to get one in the first round or in
Speaker 1: any subsequent round is diminished because of the fact that
Speaker 1: it's not as deep of a position. So I think
Speaker 1: we got to figure out two, what's the depth that
Speaker 1: each of these positions, how much talent is going to
Speaker 1: be there, and all the opportunities to get really talented
Speaker 1: players in the second, third, fourth round and later in
Speaker 1: those second, third, fourth rounds. Um. So we appreciate you guys,
Speaker 1: But now I'm gonna saying we'll talk about this for
Speaker 1: about the last seven weeks. We will talk about this,
Speaker 1: this a lot about tanking and all this stuff. But
Speaker 1: but it's it's just for for media. It's it's not
Speaker 1: and maybe some later or not just kind of blase
Speaker 1: fans really, but it's not for the team, and it's
Speaker 1: not for diehard fans. It's just something that you wish
Speaker 1: they would get. You know, it would be nice to
Speaker 1: have it, but there's no way to go about it.
Speaker 1: You don't play for it. You don't. You don't go
Speaker 1: out and play your games that way. So you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. That's why talking about the draft and
Speaker 1: stuff this early is I think sometimes it could be
Speaker 1: pointless because you don't know what you're gonna get, and
Speaker 1: the team is gonna go out to try to win.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna try to play for it. It's just
Speaker 1: media that say I don't have a dog in the
Speaker 1: fight that just won a high draft pick. Well, not
Speaker 1: to get us too far into discussion, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's I think there are some diehard fans out there
Speaker 1: that would prefer the Cowboys to have a higher pick
Speaker 1: than Yes, Nick, you can't speak for all, Oh you can,
Speaker 1: you can't a higher pick. Prefer a higher pick. Prefer
Speaker 1: a higher pick. And what I mean by that is
Speaker 1: not to lose to Washington. Okay, what I'm saying is
Speaker 1: I don't lose. I don't think either one of the
Speaker 1: I don't think either one of us can speak for
Speaker 1: every fan out there, and I think there are some
Speaker 1: die hard fans that would probably call into this show
Speaker 1: or eat or text this show, and I've seen them
Speaker 1: on Twitter that would say that they they prefer that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys don't necessarily win. They love what they saw
Speaker 1: last week, which is a competitive team that plays hard
Speaker 1: and still ends up with a loss at the end
Speaker 1: of the day. What they really want is that top
Speaker 1: notch pick, because they think that has more value than
Speaker 1: the possibility to get into the playoffs and losing in
Speaker 1: the first round. That that's fine, that that's not a
Speaker 1: die hard. I'm talking about the die hards, not talking
Speaker 1: about fans that are fans of the team. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about the ones that die hard. Trust me, I have
Speaker 1: a college football team. I don't want him to lose. Ever, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you don't get draft picks. I'm not losing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. Why don't
Speaker 1: we start this con thirty minutes and really, Needy and
Speaker 1: the show and the show, all right, tell you what,
Speaker 1: that's fine, let's talk about it. We'll talk about it. Well,
Speaker 1: they're they're just not die hards. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They're not die hards. If you want them to go
Speaker 1: and lose to that game, Okay, they didn't like the stealers.
Speaker 1: Here's what we're gonna mentions. They're gonna be interesting. I know.
Speaker 1: Here's what we're gonna do. Here's what and that's not
Speaker 1: really any different than any other day. And Nick just
Speaker 1: mutes him and says, leam now. But but the point is,
Speaker 1: I don't care. They will not say I want them
Speaker 1: to lose and I'm a diehard. Doesn't happen, doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: Here's what we're gonna do. I do think, doesn't you're
Speaker 1: not a diehard. I think that you didn't die. I
Speaker 1: do think this is a conversation that we can pick
Speaker 1: back up, and maybe we'll pick it up on Friday
Speaker 1: as a as a topic in our in in one
Speaker 1: of our segments Friday, we'll pick it up and talk
Speaker 1: a little bit more about it. Until then, though, for
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