Speaker 1: Look out.
Speaker 2: It's only Films to be Buried with It's rewind classic season. Hello,
Speaker 2: dearest films to be Buried with Crewe. My name is
Speaker 2: Buddy Peace. I am a producer and editor, a DJ
Speaker 2: and music maker. A farewell transmission and for intro and
Speaker 2: outro per is I'm temporarily standing in for your regular
Speaker 2: host and proud creator of this podcast, mister Brett Goldstein.
Speaker 2: As Tom Waits once said, what does it matter a
Speaker 2: dream of love or a dream of liars? We're all
Speaker 2: going to be the same place when we die. Interesting idea, Tom,
Speaker 2: But as this podcast proves, we all end up in
Speaker 2: very different places when we die, and some of us
Speaker 2: join some very severe environments. Indeed. Oh, also, quick note,
Speaker 2: we need to talk about the rename of your album
Speaker 2: Bone Machine to Troubling Bone Machine. I will hit you later.
Speaker 2: Just got a record disc give mes sick. Every week
Speaker 2: Brett invites a guest on, he tells them they've died,
Speaker 2: and then he talks to them about their life through
Speaker 2: the medium of film. However, this week, we are revisiting
Speaker 2: an earlier episode of the podcast while Brett recharges the
Speaker 2: podcast batteries and retreats to the Fortress of Solitude for
Speaker 2: a moment or two in this bridge between seasons. This
Speaker 2: particular rewind is from June thirtieth, twenty twenty two, originally
Speaker 2: episode two hundred and two, featuring Saturday Night Live regular
Speaker 2: and writer actor director Bill Hayder. Folks in the US
Speaker 2: might be more familiar with the Saturday Night Live component
Speaker 2: of Bill's illustrious career, but certainly many listeners will have
Speaker 2: seen the hit series Barry, which at the time of
Speaker 2: recording this episode, Bill was busy working one a lovely
Speaker 2: one from not so far back in the past, but
Speaker 2: a great chance to catch up if you missed it.
Speaker 2: I will take this opportunity to also remind you that
Speaker 2: Brett has a Patreon page for the podcast, upon which
Speaker 2: you get a bonus section every episode with a secret
Speaker 2: from each guest, more questions, and a video of each
Speaker 2: episode which looks all nice and fresh and it's just
Speaker 2: nice to see faces talking. So if you're a supporting
Speaker 2: nature and feel like some extras from this show, you
Speaker 2: will find them all there. So that is it for now.
Speaker 2: Let's get you settled in for a wonderful episode with
Speaker 2: the brilliant Bill Hayder. Catch you at the end for
Speaker 2: a quick sign off, but for now, please enjoy this
Speaker 2: flashback to episode two hundred and two for films to
Speaker 2: be buried with.
Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to who films to be buried with?
Speaker 1: It is I Brett Goldstein, and I'm joined today by
Speaker 1: an actor, a writer, a comedian, a skeptic, an inside out,
Speaker 1: a Simpson, a South Parker, a skeleton twin, a creator,
Speaker 1: a showrunner, a hero, a legend, and a human in
Speaker 1: his own right. Please welcome to the show. Can't believe
Speaker 1: he's here. It's the one and Ily, it's mister bier. Oh.
Speaker 3: That was very sweet. Thank you, glad to be here,
Speaker 3: lovely to have you.
Speaker 1: How are you. How's it going? I'm good now. You
Speaker 1: told me just while we were setting up, But I
Speaker 1: think the listeners would want to know you are currently
Speaker 1: mid writing Barry season four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're writing Berry season four. That's what I was
Speaker 3: just doing before I hopped on here. So if I'm
Speaker 3: a bit tired, I apologize.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about Barry because I think
Speaker 1: I'd forgotten until I went back and looked. You directed
Speaker 1: so many of them, so many of the episodes, including
Speaker 1: that in the first lot. How was it having this
Speaker 1: much control? This is the first thing you've had this
Speaker 1: much control over, I guess, is that true? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. Nothing is as hard as Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 3: So everything after that was quite easy. And I think
Speaker 3: that's why so many of us now have these TV shows,
Speaker 3: because it's a bit like, oh yeah, I know how
Speaker 3: to do that, you know. But the one thing I
Speaker 3: didn't know how to do and I always have wanted
Speaker 3: to do since I was very young, was direct you know.
Speaker 3: It was always making short films with friends and my
Speaker 3: sisters and things like that. So that was one thing
Speaker 3: I wasn't able to do on Saturday Live. And then
Speaker 3: so directing when we pitched to HBO Berry and then
Speaker 3: you know, I said I like to direct the pilot,
Speaker 3: they kind of went huh okay, and then alec Berg
Speaker 3: thankfully said I vouched for him. He had no idea
Speaker 3: if I could do it or not. That for him,
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be great, yeah, you know, and.
Speaker 1: It seems like yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: He's like he looks like, look at him, you.
Speaker 1: Know, he's wearing a cap and it's meeting directors wear caps.
Speaker 1: He must be a director.
Speaker 3: Well, he's got a black blazer and a black T
Speaker 3: shirt with like you know, and he's fine. You know.
Speaker 1: Okay. Two things. One is you are not the first
Speaker 1: person i've heard say nothing's harder than the SNL. And
Speaker 1: I know how hard it is making and running a
Speaker 1: TV show. Can you, in a short way maybe explain
Speaker 1: why SNL is hard?
Speaker 3: Well, just because it's you're figuring the whole show out
Speaker 3: in a week and then it's on live television. It's
Speaker 3: you know, it's live all over the nation, so it's
Speaker 3: just a lot of pressure, and then it's constantly changing.
Speaker 3: So if you're like me and you like films that
Speaker 3: you love to home things and get them just right,
Speaker 3: and SNL, that's almost impossible. You had to just kind
Speaker 3: of go out there with something that you Some of
Speaker 3: it work, some of it didn't. I feel like that's
Speaker 3: why stand ups and people with a really strong in
Speaker 3: the state sketch background, you know, people from Second City
Speaker 3: or UCB or the ground lanes thrive there in a
Speaker 3: really great way because they can handle that and going like, oh,
Speaker 3: this isn't working somewhat move on to the next thing,
Speaker 3: where I would I would get pretty crushed even if
Speaker 3: I was you know, Customer number two in my straight
Speaker 3: line didn't land, I would be like, oh you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, tell me this on Saturday nights. Now, this
Speaker 1: is genuine serious question. Do you get butterflies on a
Speaker 1: Saturday night.
Speaker 3: I don't get butterflies on a Saturday night. But if
Speaker 3: I hear certain songs, I will get butterflies. If I
Speaker 3: hear Train in Vain by the Clash, because that would
Speaker 3: be the warm up song right before we would go
Speaker 3: on that. If I heard Train in Vain and Keenan
Speaker 3: Thompson would sing and Fred Armison would sing it for
Speaker 3: the audience to warm up the audience. If I hear that,
Speaker 3: I do have a bit of a because that means, oh,
Speaker 3: after that song's done, we're live.
Speaker 1: I'm customer number two.
Speaker 3: It's like, I don't know. I just hear that, and
Speaker 3: I'm like.
Speaker 1: Fast they can I ask you a kind of practical
Speaker 1: question that I'm always interested in, And I don't know,
Speaker 1: And I'm sure everyone is different. When you're directing Barry,
Speaker 1: you are alsoide Barry. So when you are acting in
Speaker 1: a scene, do you film it then guy watched the monitor?
Speaker 1: Do you trust someone that you've got it? Do you
Speaker 1: feel you had it, right, I trust somebody.
Speaker 3: I also, you know, I have you know, Alec Berg there,
Speaker 3: or this guy Duffy Boudreau who I grew up with
Speaker 3: was one of my oldest friends who's a writer on
Speaker 3: the show and actually the first a d this guy
Speaker 3: Gavin Klentop was just brilliant. You know, they really get
Speaker 3: what the show is, so I can kind of go
Speaker 3: over to them. Or sometimes it's the people I'm acting with,
Speaker 3: the other actors will be like, what do you think
Speaker 3: of that? You know, just seem to work, you know,
Speaker 3: or you just know it. But I'm also because I'm directing,
Speaker 3: I'm incredibly impatient, so I you know, I just want
Speaker 3: to keep going. And I think that you know, you've
Speaker 3: been on sets, you know, it's you like to get
Speaker 3: that momentum going, and the momentum just crushes where they go, oh,
Speaker 3: let's go look at it, you know, and you watch
Speaker 3: it and everybody goes m you know, here I'm going
Speaker 3: to try something. I just feel like everything kind of
Speaker 3: dies down. I like to keep it. Let's go again,
Speaker 3: Let's go again, let me try this, let me try this,
Speaker 3: and then then maybe I'll sometimes you should watch it
Speaker 3: because I don't know what you're doing is pretty weird.
Speaker 1: Did it feel good? It felt good because it looked
Speaker 1: really weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if it felt good, then you should watch it.
Speaker 1: Whatever. Question, if I may about the Barry stuff, is
Speaker 1: your own season four, which is a lot, does it
Speaker 1: live in you in your head? Like is it exciting
Speaker 1: to you that you can keep building this thing? Or
Speaker 1: is every season do you think that's it for me?
Speaker 1: Do you write it like this is it? And then
Speaker 1: you get given another season you're like, fuck a whole
Speaker 1: new world?
Speaker 3: Or yeah, I mean it started out that, you know,
Speaker 3: you do the first season and you go, well, maybe
Speaker 3: that's it, and you kind of ideas, hey, if we
Speaker 3: got a season two, this is what I'd like to do,
Speaker 3: and then we got a season two, and then during
Speaker 3: season two it was kind of yeah, you're gonna get
Speaker 3: a season three because this seems to be working. So
Speaker 3: while we're doing season two, we're kind of going, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, this could be in season three, that could
Speaker 3: be in season three. The weird thing about season four
Speaker 3: is that it was during the pandemic. You know that
Speaker 3: we were supposed to be shooting season three and then
Speaker 3: because of the pandemic, nothing, and so we said well,
Speaker 3: can we write season four? And HBO said yeah, sure,
Speaker 3: and they paid us to write season four, And so
Speaker 3: that helps season three because we got to go back
Speaker 3: and rewrite a bunch of stuff and kind of set
Speaker 3: them some things up for what a season four would
Speaker 3: look like.
Speaker 1: Cool. Would you be happy to do it for many
Speaker 1: more years? Or is that not a question?
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, one day, yes, another day I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: I can't do this. You know you can't. If you
Speaker 3: call me when I'm driving out to the you know,
Speaker 3: the desert at three am to get you know, a
Speaker 3: shot at dawn or you know or whatever, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I can't do this anymore.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's an insane just watching you know what
Speaker 1: Jason has to man take on. You know, it's it's
Speaker 1: an inhumid amount of pressure.
Speaker 3: Conor O'Brien has this this analogy of the white suit.
Speaker 3: You know, you put on a white suit and people go,
Speaker 3: you know that means you know this, you have a
Speaker 3: suit on it something, it's really white and nice, and
Speaker 3: you just don't It's like, I don't want to get
Speaker 3: it dirty, you know, and you go, oh jeez, the
Speaker 3: white suit. You know, I don't know if Sadeika's goes
Speaker 3: through that. But I know there was a moment in
Speaker 3: writing season two a Berry that was a bit of
Speaker 3: that white suit feeling. Fuck it, let's just throwing spaghetti.
Speaker 3: Let's just see what happened. And I'm friends with the guys.
Speaker 3: You know, hear on your eye over Atlanta and he said, oh,
Speaker 3: we had a very similar feeling where i'ment. Oh. Man,
Speaker 3: it's a hard thing to explain to people the pressure
Speaker 3: that comes when the thing works, you know, and because
Speaker 3: people go, oh, that must be really hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the longer the thing guy's done the more
Speaker 1: the more you're like, don't want to in the suit
Speaker 1: would come this.
Speaker 3: Far, like, yeah, this suit's been this far. Why are
Speaker 3: you still don't get on that motorcycle and drive through puddles?
Speaker 1: What the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially critics will say that, like please stop now.
Speaker 3: I've done interviews with critics, so they go, please tell
Speaker 3: me this is it, And you go, ah, well, I
Speaker 3: mean we got one more.
Speaker 1: You know, are you ever able to switch it off?
Speaker 1: Or is it full time in your head? It's full
Speaker 1: time in my head.
Speaker 3: But that's fun, you know, It's it's never a I mean,
Speaker 3: the pressure of it definitely gets to you, you know,
Speaker 3: at times. And and I'm directing all the episodes next season,
Speaker 3: so that's another aspect of it.
Speaker 1: That's a lot.
Speaker 3: But it's but it again, it's not as hard as
Speaker 3: starn it live. And I don't know, Jason say the
Speaker 3: same thing, but it's not. Yeah, it's still not as
Speaker 3: hard as starn alive. It's like, oh, but I you know,
Speaker 3: we get to edit it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get to go home and sleep, I get
Speaker 3: like little breaks. You know. You just never got that.
Speaker 1: Really, Oh, Bill, I've forgotten to tell you something, and
Speaker 1: I should have told you in the beginning. Oh fuck,
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you've got it in your email.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how much it is
Speaker 1: the first time we've met. This is awkward. I'll just
Speaker 1: fucking say it and then we'll deal with it. Okay,
Speaker 1: you've died.
Speaker 3: Oh dang it. I knew something was up.
Speaker 1: It was such a good mood, so much going on.
Speaker 1: How did you die?
Speaker 3: Well, I went skydiving and then the parachute opened and
Speaker 3: I landed, but then I had a heart attack. I
Speaker 3: don't think I had anything to do with the sky diving.
Speaker 1: That was just a lovely activity.
Speaker 3: I feel like it was just a lovely activity, and
Speaker 3: then it was just my time. I think if I
Speaker 3: had jumped a couple of minutes later, I would have
Speaker 3: had a heart attack on the.
Speaker 1: Plane, right right, So when your friends and family tried
Speaker 1: to see the skydiving company, I'm going to be a
Speaker 1: witness and court. So I actually think just to be clear,
Speaker 1: I think because all.
Speaker 3: And you check his heart?
Speaker 1: Yeah, how old were you? How old would you like
Speaker 1: to be when when this happens?
Speaker 3: Oh I was eighty three?
Speaker 1: Okay, do you worry about death?
Speaker 3: You know what I used to when I was very young?
Speaker 3: And then you know, you see people close to you go,
Speaker 3: and it focused me more on Oh this is all
Speaker 3: very finite, you know, so I should try to do
Speaker 3: what I want to do with every day, you know.
Speaker 1: Well as in and stop worrying about the deathbit because
Speaker 1: it stopped me getting on my shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, well you see people go and then you
Speaker 3: go like, oh okay, that's where we're all headed. So
Speaker 3: you know, Sadeikas could probably tell you this that you
Speaker 3: know delk closed you know he is or what Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was the improv king had.
Speaker 3: Problems, yeah, and he had. He would tell the story
Speaker 3: of the sky Dancer, and the sky dancer jumped out
Speaker 3: an airplane and did all these beautiful dances and pulled
Speaker 3: their parachute, and the parachute didn't open, and instead of panicking,
Speaker 3: the sky dancer just kept dancing and all the way
Speaker 3: around and died. And that was the analogy of life,
Speaker 3: which is like this, we're all headed to the ground,
Speaker 3: so you might as well dance, you know, and like
Speaker 3: make something or do something or express yourself, you know.
Speaker 3: And I thought that was nice. But I'm also from
Speaker 3: the Midwest, like Jason, so we're we cry a lot.
Speaker 1: Did you have a work with that place?
Speaker 3: No, you know, I think he passed away before I
Speaker 3: was even He was such a legend by the time
Speaker 3: I started doing improv. I know. I remember going into
Speaker 3: Bob oden Kirk's office and there's a picture of him
Speaker 3: and Deul Close and Chris Farley, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: my gosh, there's still closely shit. But yeah, he's the
Speaker 3: kind of father of improv, and you know, came up
Speaker 3: with Mike Nichols and Elaine May and all those people.
Speaker 1: If you don't mind, because I don't know how much
Speaker 1: you Maybe you've talked about this leaves, but I was
Speaker 1: reading enough on you far as I understand. Correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. You wanted to make film, and you
Speaker 1: were you were being an assistant and production assistant, and
Speaker 1: you were on the job for stuff at very low level,
Speaker 1: just trying to learn stuff. And then at some point
Speaker 1: you started doing improv. But it didn't seem like there
Speaker 1: was any comedy stuff before this. Can I ask you
Speaker 1: what made you go to the improv? You know?
Speaker 3: It was two things. One the girl I've been dating
Speaker 3: for seven years and I broke up.
Speaker 1: Ever I got it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So we had broken up and she had moved out
Speaker 3: of Los Angeles. You know, you know when you go
Speaker 3: through a massive breakup, And it was my first massive breakup.
Speaker 3: The first reel like we were in love, we broke
Speaker 3: up and so I so I got to do something different.
Speaker 3: And then my friend Eric philip Kowski and I were
Speaker 3: Boss Pias on this reality TV show. He said, oh,
Speaker 3: do you want to come to Second City Theater and
Speaker 3: see a show that you know, my show? And then
Speaker 3: there's another show after it. And I went and saw
Speaker 3: a show. It was called haha. Fresh. And then that
Speaker 3: show was a guy named Derek Waters who ended up
Speaker 3: doing Drunk History, a guy named Simon Hildeberg who was
Speaker 3: on The Big Bang Theory and some other things. Yeah
Speaker 3: he's in a net. Yeah, he's great Internet.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And they were in that show, and I was embarrassed
Speaker 3: because they were my age, you know, and they were
Speaker 3: performing and I went, woll, well, I could you know,
Speaker 3: we can do that, you know. And so I has
Speaker 3: been embarrassed, and so I kind of went over to
Speaker 3: Eric and said, how do I get in on this?
Speaker 3: And he's like, you got to take classes. So that
Speaker 3: was the winter of two thousand and three. Wow, And
Speaker 3: so I went and I took classes starting to March.
Speaker 3: And that was purely just a way to start being
Speaker 3: creative because I was trying to make short films but
Speaker 3: needed money and it wasn't like now or you can
Speaker 3: make stuff on your phone and stuff. It was like
Speaker 3: too expensive. And well, at least every Saturday I do
Speaker 3: something creative. So that was my creative outlet.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love it. Tell me this, what
Speaker 1: do you think happens when you die? Do you think
Speaker 1: there's enoughter life?
Speaker 3: No? I think it's just a white lake. Switch goes
Speaker 3: off and it's just complete darkness.
Speaker 1: You Sky, don't you land? You have a heart attack? Blackout,
Speaker 1: blackout hard, blackout, hard, blackout. Well, I got news for you,
Speaker 1: buddy boy. Heaven. You're wrong, you got it. You're not right.
Speaker 1: There's a heaven and it's brilliant, and it's filled with
Speaker 1: your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing?
Speaker 3: Movies.
Speaker 1: It's filled with movies. It's like a Blockbuster video. There's
Speaker 1: isles and isles of movies. There are people made of celluloid,
Speaker 1: there's screening rooms, there's beds filled with cans of film.
Speaker 1: Everyone it's really happy to see you. They want to
Speaker 1: talk to you about your life, but through the medium
Speaker 1: of film, and the first thing they ask you is
Speaker 1: what Bill Hayder is. The first film you remember seeing.
Speaker 3: In the theater was Empire Strikes Back. Specifically, the scene
Speaker 3: I remember was of Hans Solo falling in carbonite. The
Speaker 3: close up of it comes in the frame and you
Speaker 3: see him in carbonite, and I started crying, and my
Speaker 3: dad took me out of the theater and I remember that.
Speaker 3: And then on television was a late night movie called
Speaker 3: The Children. There was a horror film and I remember
Speaker 3: it had an image of a bunch of kids in
Speaker 3: a school bus and the school bus goes into a
Speaker 3: giant cloud, like a cloud of smoke on a street
Speaker 3: and it turns them all into zombies. But that image
Speaker 3: of the school bus going into the smoke really freaked
Speaker 3: me out again and told my parents, and I remember
Speaker 3: it was very young, and then when YouTube happened. I
Speaker 3: remember being at home and I was thinking about that,
Speaker 3: just know, and I went, I wonder what that was,
Speaker 3: and so I typed in school bus, cloud of smoke,
Speaker 3: and then this trailer for this movie came up, and
Speaker 3: there it was this image that I was like, maybe
Speaker 3: I just dreamed that, you know, And there it was
Speaker 3: that image of the children. I go, this is it.
Speaker 3: This is one hundred percent of what I saw.
Speaker 1: You know. Did it scare you? No, were like, oh
Speaker 1: this looks silly.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that looks kind of I was like, oh wow, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a bunch of just smoke bombs going off in
Speaker 3: the middle of the street, like just the But it's
Speaker 3: very very cheap horror film called The Children that I
Speaker 3: think I wasn't supposed to be seen. I think it
Speaker 3: was just it was on television I.
Speaker 1: Wandered into a room when you saw m Bus strikes back?
Speaker 1: Was that just you and your dad? That?
Speaker 3: Were you with my members? Were just me and my dad?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's sweet. And he took you out because he
Speaker 1: would crying right before the end.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was quite young. I was very young. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like three or four or something, and I just started
Speaker 3: freaking out. And that was the first one I can remember.
Speaker 3: He said he snuck me into other movies before that
Speaker 3: when I was a baby, because they couldn't find a babysitter,
Speaker 3: so they would have me, you know, and they'd be
Speaker 3: bouncing me while they're watching you know whatever Cramer versus
Speaker 3: Kramer or whatever late seventies movie they were watching.
Speaker 1: What is the film that made you cry the most?
Speaker 1: You're from the Midwest, you cry? What's the film that
Speaker 1: might you cry the vice?
Speaker 3: It's actually a movie from Kess, the kim Loach movie Kess.
Speaker 1: Okes the fucking Yeah, I mean yeah, Kes is the
Speaker 1: maddest is the West Children's It's such a horror film.
Speaker 3: The scene in Cash when he's in front of the
Speaker 3: class and the teachers like tell them about how you
Speaker 3: train kestrels, And I just find that so moving. How
Speaker 3: they at first they make fun of It just feels
Speaker 3: so real and that kid is so good. I just
Speaker 3: find that scene of acceptance. There's nothing sentimental or syrupy
Speaker 3: about it. It just feels very real, you know, and
Speaker 3: it's just beautiful, beautiful scene.
Speaker 1: Doesn't it make you think the difference between British films
Speaker 1: and American films is children's films in America and on
Speaker 1: a positive note of British films, And with the bird
Speaker 1: stuffed in a bin?
Speaker 3: Is that British? Is that just that region was a
Speaker 3: Yorkshire Horrific dreams are what you wake up from the end.
Speaker 1: The message of that film should be, don't fucking bother
Speaker 1: it's a horrible film.
Speaker 3: Don't train your birds around your older brother.
Speaker 1: You'll get well jealous what you're in. Inside Out? Correct.
Speaker 1: We did a best Films in the decade edition of
Speaker 1: this podcast and I said the Inside that was the
Speaker 1: greatest film of the love.
Speaker 3: Oh oh, I'll tell Pete and those guys that's nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it truly is profound. I mean, we
Speaker 1: could talk about but we'll get you will get back
Speaker 1: to what choices, but shout out to inside Out?
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, thank you? Oh yeah, I'll tell Pete.
Speaker 3: Those guys I really appreciate it. They're really sweet.
Speaker 1: It's sucking something. What is the film that scared you
Speaker 1: the most? Do you like being scared?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I love I love the horror films. I
Speaker 3: still love horror films. There's the horror films like I
Speaker 3: remember watching on late night television when I was twelve
Speaker 3: or thirteen, the same Raimi's Evil Dead. And there's a
Speaker 3: scene in that film where this woman is looking out
Speaker 3: a window and she's guessing the cards that her friends
Speaker 3: are playing and they don't understand how she's doing it.
Speaker 3: And then she turns around her eyes are white, and
Speaker 3: that scared the hell out of me. And then the
Speaker 3: irony is is that dress Ellen Sandwise. Her daughter is
Speaker 3: an actress named Jesse Hodges, and she's in Barry. She
Speaker 3: plays Sally's agent. And so when I met her and
Speaker 3: we were talking, my mom was in a little horror
Speaker 3: movie called Evil Dead, and I was like, way, who
Speaker 3: is your mom and Evil Dead? And she was like,
Speaker 3: you know, and that was her and that was that
Speaker 3: and I go, oh my gosh, that was a profound
Speaker 3: experience in my childhood. You know, her adolescence was seeing
Speaker 3: that film, and that film also was a film I think.
Speaker 3: I think for a lot of filmmakers, it was the
Speaker 3: one that kind of made you. It was like listening
Speaker 3: to punk rock music or something where you went, oh,
Speaker 3: I see how I can I see how they're doing it.
Speaker 3: It's really effective, but I think I can do this.
Speaker 3: You know, picked up your camera and you would chase
Speaker 3: your my sisters around or you would try to do
Speaker 3: all these kind of evil, dead things. So yeah, I
Speaker 3: would say that. And then another scene that scared me
Speaker 3: was in the film Marathon Man with Dustin Hoffman. There's
Speaker 3: a scene where I don't know if you remember this
Speaker 3: scene where he's in a bathtub and he's he has
Speaker 3: a washcloth on his face and he's just kind of
Speaker 3: decompressing from all the stressful stuff that's happening to him
Speaker 3: and is very quiet, and then very very subtly you
Speaker 3: hear people whispering, and it's done so well that you think,
Speaker 3: still when I'm watching it, if I'm watching that with
Speaker 3: like other people, I kind of go, oh, someone's whispering
Speaker 3: in the room, and you kind of look over your shoulder,
Speaker 3: and then Dustin Hoffin goes and sits up and you go, oh,
Speaker 3: my gosh, that's in his apartment. And then he's in
Speaker 3: the bathtub and the door is just cracked open a
Speaker 3: bit and he runs over and when he slams the
Speaker 3: door shut, suddenly people are heading on the other side
Speaker 3: and you realize, oh, there's two men in his apartment.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, just terrifying.
Speaker 1: Is good?
Speaker 3: I love that moment.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you an acting question. I think the
Speaker 1: two hardest things to do as an actor. One is
Speaker 1: laughing and the other is jumping scared, being starts over.
Speaker 1: You've got an amazing laughing scene in the film that
Speaker 1: I really really like Skeleton Twins. Oh, really good, and
Speaker 1: it seems completely genuine, And I wonder if it is
Speaker 1: a kind of captured moment where you and customer pissing
Speaker 1: yourself laughing, or whether that.
Speaker 3: Was Yeah, that's Kristin and I just being good, you know,
Speaker 3: friends and making each other laugh. And she's improvising stuff
Speaker 3: and we're improvising together. But that's her just she was
Speaker 3: being just saying really funny things. I think she was
Speaker 3: saying stuff about someone's name or we were just's just
Speaker 3: real captured, very real, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then doing it chapter two where you are
Speaker 1: having to be scared? Is that hard as in the
Speaker 1: reality of filming?
Speaker 3: That not really, you know, because Andy Machetti, who directed
Speaker 3: that movie, was very good at kind of getting you
Speaker 3: in a headspace and you know, being like all right,
Speaker 3: and he'd be on this big microphone okay, you guys
Speaker 3: are coming screaming. You would go, okay, it was really scariness. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and then you walk in and then.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's brilliant. That south it. For me?
Speaker 1: That really just shouting the access. What is the film
Speaker 1: that you love? It is not critically acclaimed, most people
Speaker 1: don't even like it, but you think it's amazing and
Speaker 1: you don't care what they say.
Speaker 3: Well, there's movies that I've walked out of, like after
Speaker 3: the movies ended and I go, man, that was great,
Speaker 3: and everyone else is like, what that was terrible? You
Speaker 3: know that feeling when you're the outlier. Yeah, I met
Speaker 3: that and eyes White shut.
Speaker 1: Was that for me?
Speaker 3: I walked out and went that was great, and everybody
Speaker 3: went that was the most pretentious piece of shit. Really, Oh,
Speaker 3: I thought it mad it really. I thought it was
Speaker 3: kind of funny, like interesting things about relationships, and and
Speaker 3: then the other one was that Jennifer Lawrence movie Mother.
Speaker 3: I remember walking out of that going that was really terrible.
Speaker 3: That was terrifying. I thought that was great, and yeah,
Speaker 3: oh my god. The people I was with were so
Speaker 3: the terror part of baby, and I go, but it's
Speaker 3: a dream. It's like a it's her nightmare of everything
Speaker 3: she wants. I don't know. I thought that was kind
Speaker 3: of interesting. I that was one when I said I
Speaker 3: liked it. My friend's girlfriend said, what's wrong with you?
Speaker 1: Had? I had the same thing. I really liked that
Speaker 1: film a little, but I did that many people they day,
Speaker 1: so that's all right, It's fucking great.
Speaker 3: I think it's brilliant, and people very very It was
Speaker 3: one of those things where I just said, as I've
Speaker 3: gotten older, I used to my twenties argue with people
Speaker 3: about movies, and now I'm just like, I just don't
Speaker 3: have the energy. So I just went, oh, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 3: I think I just said okay about fifty times as
Speaker 3: we walked to my car. I was going, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 3: you're right, you're right, Okay.
Speaker 1: It's such a weird thing. I had this ugly with
Speaker 1: a friend the other day about a film that I
Speaker 1: just think it's amazing, and she hated it, and then
Speaker 1: she was like relentlessly kind of breaking down why it
Speaker 1: was terrible. And I suddenly was so like, what do
Speaker 1: you want at the end of this? Do you want
Speaker 1: the thing that has made me happy to not make
Speaker 1: me happy anymore?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I've experienced that with films that I like,
Speaker 3: where people get really riled up about it, and then
Speaker 3: and then sometimes I'll have like I love the film
Speaker 3: Clockwork Orange. That was a movie was very formidable for me.
Speaker 3: I understand that that movie is not easy to watch,
Speaker 3: but I can have a conversation of why that movie
Speaker 3: struck me so much and my views of like, you know,
Speaker 3: violence and you know, and the human condition and all
Speaker 3: these things whatever. And I did have a conversation that
Speaker 3: was the only really time where it was the opposite
Speaker 3: you were describing, because usually it's what you're describing where
Speaker 3: I go, I don't know what you want to do.
Speaker 3: But I had have friends say But what bothers me
Speaker 3: about that film was that it became pop culture and
Speaker 3: that people would dress up like rugs. And I remember
Speaker 3: seeing the Blur video and they're dressed up like drugs
Speaker 3: and all these other things. Part Simpson was dressed up
Speaker 3: like a drug and they're rapists, you know, like they're monsters.
Speaker 3: And I went, you know what, that's a very good point.
Speaker 3: You're right, that is a very good point. I mean
Speaker 3: that I could understand if you go and watch that
Speaker 3: film and you go, I hate that when people are
Speaker 3: posters of Alex on their wall and shit, and it's
Speaker 3: like that shouldn't be, you know. And I said, I
Speaker 3: can understand why you wouldn't like that film based on that,
Speaker 3: But I think that's the unfortunate byproduct of the thing.
Speaker 3: You know. But I said, I hear you. I think
Speaker 3: that movie is very important, But that is a very
Speaker 3: true thing that is important.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. On the other hand, what is a
Speaker 1: film that you used to love that you've watched recently
Speaker 1: and you've got but whatever rason that might be.
Speaker 3: There is a film that was on HBO when I
Speaker 3: was growing up and I watched all the time called
Speaker 3: The Race. Try Out the Race. It was like an
Speaker 3: updated fifties like hot Rod movie, but it was set
Speaker 3: in the eighties. Chryl Flynn was in it. Nick Cassavetti's
Speaker 3: was in it. He was the bad guy and Charlie
Speaker 3: Sheen is a good kid who races these guys and
Speaker 3: then he's killed and then he comes back as this
Speaker 3: kind of ghost, you know, this almost this alien guy,
Speaker 3: not an actual alien, but it's a guy all in
Speaker 3: leather with like the helmet I kind of looks like
Speaker 3: Daft punk, but drives this really cool car. And the
Speaker 3: car somehow just reeks revenge against all these bad kids.
Speaker 3: And it was on HB all the time, and I
Speaker 3: was I just thought it was great. And then I
Speaker 3: was in a Seattle and I went into a video
Speaker 3: store and I found a DVD of it, and I
Speaker 3: went nuts. And it was really expensive and I bought
Speaker 3: it and I went, oh my god, this and oh
Speaker 3: my god, I went crazy. And it was very expensive DVD.
Speaker 3: And I got home and watched it, and the minute
Speaker 3: ten minutes in, I went, this isn't good.
Speaker 1: That's so said.
Speaker 3: And I called my sister because we used to watch
Speaker 3: all the time. I go, I found a copy of
Speaker 3: The Wraith and she went, oh my gosh, I you know,
Speaker 3: it might be on Amazon primal for all I know,
Speaker 3: but she, oh my gosh, I it was, and I go,
Speaker 3: it's terrible. What you know, it just didn't hold up.
Speaker 1: That's up right. What is the film that means the
Speaker 1: most to you? Not necessarily the film is any good,
Speaker 1: but the experience you had around seeing the film will
Speaker 1: always make it meaningful to you. Bill Hayda, please.
Speaker 3: So do they have SATs. They don't have a say
Speaker 3: you know es.
Speaker 1: No, but but they're like examine when you're sixteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this would be when we were Yeah, when your
Speaker 3: senior year of high school. So when you're seventeen, eighteen
Speaker 3: years old, you have to take, yeah, that test to
Speaker 3: get into college.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the SAT. He's the thing that you study hard on.
Speaker 3: You know, kids, real rich kids would get you know,
Speaker 3: families would get them tutors for SAT. And your whole
Speaker 3: life for four years is you got to take this SAT.
Speaker 3: And how you do on this depends on what school
Speaker 3: you go to. And I went in to take my
Speaker 3: SAT and I was so overwhelmed and kind of defeated
Speaker 3: because I just didn't feel prepared that I put my
Speaker 3: name on it and I turned it in. I didn't
Speaker 3: do anything. So it was complete suicide. Wow. And you
Speaker 3: know an SAT test you have to go to another facility.
Speaker 3: You don't take it. I didn't take it at my school.
Speaker 3: It's like, you go to this place, your parents have
Speaker 3: to pay all this money. It's a real thing. And
Speaker 3: then I just put my name on it and I
Speaker 3: turned it in. I got my car and I drove
Speaker 3: the movie theater and I went and saw Mars Attacks.
Speaker 3: And while I was watching Mars Attacks, I was just
Speaker 3: watching this film where these aliens are destroying earth, going
Speaker 3: my life is over. I've completely blown up my life.
Speaker 3: And I was alone at the Promenace Theater in tuls Oklahoma,
Speaker 3: watching Mars Attacks and just thinking I'm gonna have to
Speaker 3: go home. I'm gonna have to tell my parents. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna have to do this. But for right now, I'm
Speaker 3: in Tim Burton's Perfect Little Flying Saucer World. And yeah,
Speaker 3: that was that movie forever. If I see a poster
Speaker 3: for it, or if I come across it on television,
Speaker 3: I go, oh my gosh. I just I don't think
Speaker 3: i'd really have seen that film because I just wasn't
Speaker 3: there the whole time. It was it was like I
Speaker 3: committed a murder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you've met that. You you met that, your
Speaker 1: educa I still fix.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I murdered my educational Yeah, my future.
Speaker 1: So did you Did you go home and say what
Speaker 1: you did though? Did you wait too? You go zero?
Speaker 1: I said, I.
Speaker 3: Don't think I did very well, So I didn't really
Speaker 3: cop to it. I said, I don't think I did well.
Speaker 3: How would you define bad? I mean, I think I've
Speaker 3: got to get quite like that. I mean, if you
Speaker 3: don't answer, it doesn't mean you really don't know it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to be in it to get either bad. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I didn't really try. But I remember like a month
Speaker 3: later my mother saying, you didn't get into state school,
Speaker 3: which is I mean a given. So it was kind
Speaker 3: of like, oh man, you really blew it. And where
Speaker 3: I grew up, you would have to go to a
Speaker 3: junior college, which is is kind of like high school
Speaker 3: but you can smoke. And so I went out of
Speaker 3: state to a junior college with Jimmy Kimmel thinks it's
Speaker 3: the funniest thing of the planet. He went, Wait, you
Speaker 3: went out of state to a junior college, which really
Speaker 3: makes zero point zero sense. It makes no sense. And
Speaker 3: I went out of state and then ended up just
Speaker 3: moving to Los Angeles, you know, but you know, it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. A lot of people went to junior college
Speaker 3: did great I could be talking out of school you,
Speaker 3: but I think Sadeikas might have gone to a junior
Speaker 3: college in Kansas. I feel like when he and I,
Speaker 3: because he and I shared an office to go at SNL,
Speaker 3: and I feel like we both were like you round
Speaker 3: at a cent live, you around all these like Harvard people,
Speaker 3: and I feel really inadequate. And I remember got named
Speaker 3: Charlie Granty and I went you went to Harvard. I
Speaker 3: was such a hillbilly. I was like, are you serious?
Speaker 3: You mean Harvard in Massachusetts? You went to Harvard? And uh,
Speaker 3: But I feel like Sadeka's was like, no, no, I
Speaker 3: went to a junior college and oh really okay.
Speaker 1: So I don't feel as did you write anything on
Speaker 1: your sit you?
Speaker 3: Did you actually do yourcity?
Speaker 1: Did you actually do your s A T?
Speaker 3: Please tell me you didn't. You know.
Speaker 1: That's incredible, but both of you and now having to
Speaker 1: do my intense, hardworking amount of work possible like that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. What it's what it said around?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I do you know what was going on in your
Speaker 1: head when you did that? We just like I can't
Speaker 1: kite with this.
Speaker 3: I just can't cope with it. You know, I've always
Speaker 3: had really bad anxiety, and I think I just panicked
Speaker 3: and just went, I can't handle that. So there's so
Speaker 3: much pressure being put on you right now and I
Speaker 3: just can't do it, and did that and then, you know,
Speaker 3: just dealt with the consequences. But it was definitely, up
Speaker 3: to that time of life, the most insane thing I
Speaker 3: had ever done. Yeah, all my friends were just going,
Speaker 3: what is wrong? Why did you do that?
Speaker 1: It's fast today? Bill?
Speaker 3: Why did what? What happened? Man?
Speaker 1: You're like, I just really wanted to see Bus attacks
Speaker 1: and it was out at one.
Speaker 3: I really wanted to see Mars Attacks.
Speaker 1: Man, What is the film you must relate to?
Speaker 3: When I was a kid, the movie that I went
Speaker 3: I related to the main character the most, honestly, was
Speaker 3: a Christmas story.
Speaker 1: I remember that kid.
Speaker 3: I remember that kid, just thinking like, oh, I relate
Speaker 3: to that, you know, like wanting a thing and not
Speaker 3: knowing how to get it and having a bully and
Speaker 3: you know the scene where he fights that kid and
Speaker 3: then he cries. You know, I think it was very,
Speaker 3: very moving because I'm like, oh, I remember having a
Speaker 3: moment like that kid hit my sister with a tether
Speaker 3: ball and I tackled him, and I didn't know how
Speaker 3: to hit anybody, but I was just kind of hit,
Speaker 3: you know, slapping the top of his head. But it
Speaker 3: was you start crying because your emotions are all up
Speaker 3: and all that. So I just think that that movie.
Speaker 3: I think it was very moving. I got to watch
Speaker 3: it with my children, and it was kind of special
Speaker 3: because I was like, oh, man, I used to watch
Speaker 3: this all the time when I was a kid because
Speaker 3: I related to Ralphie.
Speaker 1: Did it work for your kids? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they liked it. They got really involved. I have
Speaker 3: three daughters, but they were really involved with it. But
Speaker 3: they also are you know, raised now, so they went,
Speaker 3: he wants a gun a gun, you know, and you go, yeah,
Speaker 3: I know, yeah, yeah, no, it's true.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like when I watched The Goonies with them and
Speaker 3: they were like this is fun, but like when do
Speaker 3: the girls get to do something? And I go, but
Speaker 3: the girl got to play piano.
Speaker 1: She played piano and she saved the day.
Speaker 3: And they were like, that's bullshit.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're not wrong.
Speaker 3: It was like everything back then was made and geared
Speaker 3: towards me.
Speaker 1: Is the one paper interested in what is the sexiest
Speaker 1: film you've ever seen.
Speaker 3: Bill, that would have to be YouTube Mama Tembion. I
Speaker 3: would say is the sexiest film I've ever seen. I
Speaker 3: think all three of them are so incredibly sexy in
Speaker 3: that movie. Yeah, Mary Belle, if I ever saw her,
Speaker 3: I would I wouldn't be able to like, I would
Speaker 3: just like turn around and just like she is so
Speaker 3: insanely gorgeous and just a phenomenal actress. I mean, what's
Speaker 3: sexy about it isn't just like with a bit the
Speaker 3: acting in it. You know, her performance in that is
Speaker 3: just unbelievable. And both of them, Gale and oh my god, Diego,
Speaker 3: oh my god, they're so good in that film, and
Speaker 3: they're all really hot. It is. It is just such
Speaker 3: a fantastic film. But also and it's fine because I've
Speaker 3: become friendly with Alfonso Corone. When I talk to him
Speaker 3: about that one, it's like, weird, you can't really tell
Speaker 3: him like that is the sexiest film I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: It's so say, I think it's one of my favorite
Speaker 1: endings to a film. That film. Yeah, I think he
Speaker 1: look is really Yeah, it's really.
Speaker 3: I think that movie is just also a kind of
Speaker 3: like just guys at that age. And because I am
Speaker 3: I was the age of those guys when they moved.
Speaker 3: I mean they're in their early twenties and then as
Speaker 3: old I was when that film came out, some around
Speaker 3: their age and just masculinity and they're trying to be
Speaker 3: you know, the's just these morons and if she comes
Speaker 3: in and they just again, it wasn't messaging, it wasn't
Speaker 3: too on the nose. It was just a feeling and
Speaker 3: a vibe of the whole thing that was just so
Speaker 3: emotional and incredibly sexy. I mean, the end of that
Speaker 3: film when she's dancing into the camera is just that
Speaker 3: is just so unbelievably sexy. But also like works for
Speaker 3: the character and wife. They're all getting drunk together and
Speaker 3: all this tension, the tension in that movie. There's so
Speaker 3: much sexual tension in that movie, but also what's happening
Speaker 3: with the characters, like really tragic.
Speaker 1: Weren't they given I believe that they were given basically
Speaker 1: given money to make a sex film, Like it was
Speaker 1: a low budget thing. There were like three sex films
Speaker 1: being made by by company, so it was sort of like,
Speaker 1: here's some money, go make a sex film. And then
Speaker 1: it's and then this incredibly profound Beautiful, which is also
Speaker 1: a sex film, but it's signed much more than that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is. I think it's really something. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think he's one of the great filmmakers for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. There's a sub category to this question. Bill Haida
Speaker 1: traveling by is worrying why then the film we found
Speaker 1: arousing that you went or he should? I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't figure that one out if I have one,
Speaker 3: but I don't know. I'm not trying to be modesty
Speaker 3: or anything, but I can't think of one. But I mean,
Speaker 3: I do think I was of the era of the
Speaker 3: Princess Leia slave outfit, which, again, watching it with my
Speaker 3: kids makes zero sense. That's why my daughters are out
Speaker 3: there like why is she in that outfit? And I'm like, again,
Speaker 3: this movie is geared towards me and Meal like boys,
Speaker 3: this thing is geared towards boys because it made it
Speaker 3: makes no sense that she's suddenly in that outfit.
Speaker 1: You know, really, well, hasn't he made the address like that?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying it's right, but has put
Speaker 1: this why?
Speaker 3: I guess My thing is like, if she's in an outfit,
Speaker 3: why aren't Luke and Han in different outfits because they're
Speaker 3: all being taken prisoner.
Speaker 1: Because listen, he's frozen. I mean he's clearly no into voice.
Speaker 1: He's made that fun. He's put one of them on
Speaker 1: I said, the other one, Yeah.
Speaker 3: The other one's on ice, and the other one he
Speaker 3: doesn't want to see the other one had to sneak in. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah he's pissed. But yeah, I guess that would be
Speaker 3: the closest one that you know.
Speaker 1: That's fair. That's fair, Bill Hayde. What is objectively the
Speaker 1: greatest film of all type might not be your favorite,
Speaker 1: but it's the greatest.
Speaker 3: If you're going by storytelling, acting, cinematography, editing. You know,
Speaker 3: I am everything. The Godfather, the First god Father would
Speaker 3: probably be pound for pound. That's like when I watched
Speaker 3: that film, I go, well, everything is working in this
Speaker 3: thing into like a perfect level. Is it my favorite movie? No,
Speaker 3: which also says something like you're saying, you know, but
Speaker 3: I would probably say The Godfather When I watch that,
Speaker 3: I just go, yeah, this is like if I had
Speaker 3: to teach a class, you would just show The Godfather
Speaker 3: and go there it is. There's all the I mean
Speaker 3: another one, I think I would say another one that's
Speaker 3: close for me is The Third Man is another one.
Speaker 3: When I watched that one, I go, well, this one
Speaker 3: just this just works. This just works on every level.
Speaker 3: This thing just works.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me this. What is the film you could
Speaker 1: all have watched? The miced Ivan iver Get.
Speaker 3: I mean it runs a gambit of but loving death,
Speaker 3: which is a Woody Allen movie. I really like the
Speaker 3: last detail with Jack Nicholson. Yeah, Taxi Driver one of
Speaker 3: my favorite films. Knights of Kabiri, a Fellini movie, is
Speaker 3: one of my favorite films. I watched that a lot,
Speaker 3: a movie called a Kiiru but Chris Sawa, I watched
Speaker 3: that a lot. Rosemary's Baby Airplane. You know, these are
Speaker 3: the movies that if they're on I just sit and watch.
Speaker 3: I just I have to watch the whole thing.
Speaker 1: You know, A lord that Rosemary Baby and Taxi Driver
Speaker 1: are both quite funny. I think, yeah, they quite. It
Speaker 1: took me as I got older, I found them funny
Speaker 1: as in I'm not saying they're funny all the way
Speaker 1: for but they're like Roseby Baby is like a sort
Speaker 1: of social I think it's like a film about manners.
Speaker 3: It's like the whole Yeah, that movie just wouldn't happen
Speaker 3: if she wasn't if she said get out of my house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, always has to say no, but yes after you sure, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I was trying it. What's so great about that
Speaker 3: is the role of that woman is that she's so
Speaker 3: nice and trying to make everyone happy and then the
Speaker 3: fear of childbirth and she's doing everything right, you know,
Speaker 3: and she just gets taken advantage of. I just thought
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 1: And there's the moment in text Drive but it always
Speaker 1: thinks funny where he meets the guy in the hotel
Speaker 1: room to buy guns and the guy then offers him
Speaker 1: drugs and he's so offended, like, yeah, I'm not invested
Speaker 1: in stuff. Yeah you think I am.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Stephen Prince, Yeah, that guy Stephen Printley goes nicross
Speaker 3: ox Side not just like I gave you a Cadillac
Speaker 3: Cadillac what the thing? Yeah, I would say. Even the
Speaker 3: scene that is an awful, awful scene. And that's what
Speaker 3: Scorsese is so good at. It was taking really terrible
Speaker 3: scenes like when he's going to Harvey kit tell about
Speaker 3: Jody Foster and Harvey Kite tells like the lowest scumbag
Speaker 3: on the planet, And even that scene has like Scorsese's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: but that guy's not not funny. You know, he's a
Speaker 3: immoral piece of shit. But he has to be charming
Speaker 3: on some dumb level or he couldn't get these moments.
Speaker 3: So even that scene where he's like, I had a
Speaker 3: horse got hit by a car, I'm like, I have
Speaker 3: no idea what he talking about. You know, he's just
Speaker 3: so strange in that scene that you're like and watching him.
Speaker 3: And I love watching that scene because I remember liking
Speaker 3: mean streets and how the roles were reversed where it
Speaker 3: was Harvey Kitel was a straight guy and de Niro
Speaker 3: was the crazy guy, and it was just so cool
Speaker 3: seeing that, And then watching Taxi Driver when I was,
Speaker 3: you know, thirteen or fourteen and kind of really obsessed
Speaker 3: with those films.
Speaker 1: You know, we don't like to be negative. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you j but we'll do it quickly. What's
Speaker 1: the worst film you ever seen?
Speaker 3: I will say the first film that I was very
Speaker 3: disappointed in as a kid was teen Wolf two. Okay,
Speaker 3: that was the film because I loved Teen Wolf one
Speaker 3: so much that I went in the theater to see
Speaker 3: Team Wolf two and it was an abomination.
Speaker 1: I forget what's the daily Teabul takes a different sport.
Speaker 1: He's boxing. He's a boxing Wolf. He's a boxer.
Speaker 3: And it's Jason Bateman, who I'm friendly with, who's one
Speaker 3: of the loveliest human beings on the planet, and he's
Speaker 3: just kind of in this situation where he's got to be. Basically,
Speaker 3: they couldn't get Michael J. Fox, so they got Jason
Speaker 3: Bateman to do the Michael J. Fox bit. And then
Speaker 3: there's some guys from the first movie in the second movie.
Speaker 3: But yeah, he's a boxer and it's the exact same story,
Speaker 3: but at college and he's a boxer.
Speaker 1: Is he meant to be the same team Wolf? Is
Speaker 1: he meant to be meth Day Fox? Or is he
Speaker 1: he's cousin?
Speaker 3: I know, No, it's his cousin, I think, is what
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I only saw it that one time, and I was
Speaker 3: nine or ten, you know, and just went, this is.
Speaker 1: The same movie.
Speaker 3: So I was just like that was awful, you know,
Speaker 3: the first time as a kid, I felt disappointed in
Speaker 3: the film. I was so excited and I worked on
Speaker 3: this film. Paul was Simon Peg and Nick Frost. Jason
Speaker 3: Bateman was in that film and as a rap gift,
Speaker 3: they gave him a Team Wolf two poster signed by
Speaker 3: all of us. And I might have written, this was
Speaker 3: the first film to disappoint me. And Jason is one
Speaker 3: of the greatest guys and a really phenomenal actor and
Speaker 3: director and just a great guy. But I felt bad. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was my introduction to Jay.
Speaker 1: What's your incomed that you're combleted? What's the film that
Speaker 1: made you laugh the mice?
Speaker 3: I mean, definitely Love and Death was one that I
Speaker 3: loved that made me laugh really hard. Those Zucker Brothers
Speaker 3: movies like Airplane and Naked Gun still make me laugh.
Speaker 3: I mean, clearly, I'm a big Coen Brothers fan. If
Speaker 3: you watch Barry, I mean it was a Coen Brothers
Speaker 3: type stuff in that. A serious Man especially is the
Speaker 3: one lately that really makes me laugh. That movie is
Speaker 3: very funny, and I got to work with no one
Speaker 3: mad who's in that movie. And so yeah, I would
Speaker 3: those stand that really those ones really get me, that
Speaker 3: would do Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bill Hayder, what's an absolute pleasure you have been? However,
Speaker 1: when you sky dove at eighty three and you were
Speaker 1: sky dancing and unlike del close, your parachute did open,
Speaker 1: and it opened, and you sky danced very slowly down.
Speaker 1: Everyone was like, wow, you know, he's pretty nimble for
Speaker 1: an eighty three year old, look at him. Go. Everyone
Speaker 1: was standing around, well done, well done, Bill Hayden. And
Speaker 1: you were like, hey, guys. As you floated down, Hey guys,
Speaker 1: and you landed, you said hey, and you had a
Speaker 1: heart attack and you died. And I'm walking past because
Speaker 1: I heard you were doing this sky dance show, and
Speaker 1: I'm bringing the coffee with me, you know, I'm like,
Speaker 1: and I see loads of people gathered around and they're
Speaker 1: shouting at the sky, at the skydiving company. People. They're going,
Speaker 1: you kill Bill Hayden, and I get the way. Guys,
Speaker 1: get the way, and I go listen bread. But they didn't.
Speaker 1: They didn't kill Bill Hayden. He had a heart attack.
Speaker 1: It just happened to happen exactly the moment he landed
Speaker 1: and the skydobed. People got exactly, we're really safe, We're good.
Speaker 1: I don't worry, guys, it's not gonna be a lawsuit.
Speaker 1: Off you go. Everyone clears and there you are, smashed
Speaker 1: dead in the ground. And unfortunately, in all the commotion,
Speaker 1: people were stomping on you, trying to get killed the
Speaker 1: sky of people. Your body's a mess. So I'm scraping
Speaker 1: you off the roads, the grass, bits of concrete. I'm
Speaker 1: having to chop up bits of you just to get
Speaker 1: you into some stuff. You in the coffin. I stuff
Speaker 1: you in. But there's more of you than I was expecting.
Speaker 1: There's bits of the parachute. We couldn't get it alled
Speaker 1: off anyway. The coffin is now rammed. It is full.
Speaker 1: There is barely any room in it. There is just
Speaker 1: enough room to slide one DVD in for you to
Speaker 1: take across to the other side. And on the other
Speaker 1: side it's movie night every night. What film were you
Speaker 1: taking to show the people of heaven when it is
Speaker 1: your movie night? Bill Hayden, Naked gun? And they will
Speaker 1: love you for it. You will be very welcim Bill Hayder,
Speaker 1: What joy, what tree? I'm so grateful you did this.
Speaker 3: Oh man, this is fun, man, Oh this is a
Speaker 3: lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Is there anything you would like to tell people to watch,
Speaker 1: look out for, or listen to in the coming times.
Speaker 3: Oh? I liked this movie called You Were Not My Mother.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed that it was a horror film from Ireland.
Speaker 3: I thought was pretty good.
Speaker 1: This is very generous of you, but I'm talking about
Speaker 1: your right stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh oh oh oh oh, well Berry, that's the only
Speaker 3: thing I work on. Yeah, watch Berry if you can.
Speaker 3: My whole life right now is doing that show. But yeah,
Speaker 3: you should see You and Have a Mother is a
Speaker 3: great film. Yeah, I thought Kay Morgan the director's name,
Speaker 3: did a great job.
Speaker 1: So you and my Mother and then three seasons of
Speaker 1: Berry is what you would recommend. Yeah, Bill Hayden, thank
Speaker 1: you for your time and for your excellent work.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Good day to you. I hope you have a wonderful debt,
Speaker 1: good night and good day.
Speaker 2: So that was a rewind classic with Bill Hayder. Be
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Speaker 2: But to make it a review of your favorite film
Speaker 2: much more fun and more interesting to read for everyone involved.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much to Bill for greatness and presence
Speaker 2: on the podcast. Thanks to Scrubius, Pip and the Distraction
Speaker 2: Pieces Network. Thanks to and this is where Brett thanks
Speaker 2: me for editing and producing the podcast, and so I
Speaker 2: say it is a pleasure. Thanks to iHeartMedia and Will
Speaker 2: Ferrell's Big Money Players Network for hosting it. Thanks to
Speaker 2: Adam Richardson for the graphics and Lisa Linen for the photography.
Speaker 2: We'll be back next week with another rewind classic. But
Speaker 2: that is it for now. Britt and I and all
Speaker 2: of us are films to be buried with. I hope
Speaker 2: you're all very well in the meantime, have a lovely week,
Speaker 2: take some deep breaths, and now more than ever, be
Speaker 2: excellent to each other.
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