Speaker 1: I truly was like, no, white people don't split the
Speaker 1: pole neither, but apply these motherfuckers are splitting the poles white.
Speaker 1: They're holding hands and then if a pole comes, letting
Speaker 1: hand go and read joining hands. That's how that works
Speaker 1: in their culture. Yeah, no, we don't do that around here.
Speaker 1: We're grabbing hands going around that pole. My crop chips
Speaker 1: in your man bears are racist money stuff. You can't
Speaker 1: tell me. Yep, yep, yep. There it is. There it is.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My
Speaker 1: Mama Told Me, the podcast where we dive deep, deep
Speaker 1: into the pockets of black expiracy theories and we finally
Speaker 1: work to prove that Mr Cheeks is his father's name.
Speaker 1: You could just call him Cheeves, you know, you could
Speaker 1: just call him regular old Cheeks. You can lose the
Speaker 1: formalities with old Mr Cheeks, just call him Cheeks. I'm
Speaker 1: your host, Lankston Kerman. I'm happy to be here. It's
Speaker 1: a goddamn holiday season. It's it's it's the time of
Speaker 1: of love and giving and also still toxic conspiracy theories,
Speaker 1: and that is what we're spreading here today. And my
Speaker 1: guest today she's She's a joy. She is a person
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Speaker 1: and she is one of the breakout stars of that show.
Speaker 1: She also has been seen Sherman Showcase, where you know
Speaker 1: one of their most classic, most classic bits came out
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Speaker 1: for my guest, Missouri Salahudine. What I've done, what's going on?
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. I'm hell exciting, man. I
Speaker 1: was jealous and everybody get a nature and I was like,
Speaker 1: what is excited? Is your turn to Let's let's get messy,
Speaker 1: let's get toxic, let's do the whole thing. You came with,
Speaker 1: uh an exciting one that I'm told you had. You
Speaker 1: already had it in the bag. You were ready to
Speaker 1: go as soon as you were asked. And this one's
Speaker 1: exciting because I think, like some of them once we've
Speaker 1: done in the past. It is not quite conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1: It borders on superstition. But I imagine that those have
Speaker 1: similar qualities depending on how you interpret them. But I
Speaker 1: won't I won't delay this anymore. You said, my mama
Speaker 1: told me it's bad luck to split poles. Yes, if
Speaker 1: you split a pole, it is bad luck. And I
Speaker 1: also have the remedy to reverse that bad luck. Immediately
Speaker 1: after you split that pole. I do it every single time. Okay,
Speaker 1: well before you give us the remedy, because we don't
Speaker 1: even know what the fun this, this bad luck is
Speaker 1: coming from yet. Don't don't jump the gun here, Zuri.
Speaker 1: We got work to do, all right. That tell me
Speaker 1: where this comes from? For you? Is this something you believe?
Speaker 1: There's something you've always believed to tell me everything. Well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing I've I've always been extremely cautionary. Right, So,
Speaker 1: as a child, when you hear certain things, you know,
Speaker 1: usually if you don't listen to what you're told, you
Speaker 1: get like a spanking or something like, at least from
Speaker 1: where I was from, you get a spanking or you
Speaker 1: get a time out, right, So you don't even want
Speaker 1: to find out what happens when you don't listen. So
Speaker 1: I actually would never know if it's bad luck because
Speaker 1: I immediately follow instructions on what to do if I
Speaker 1: split said whole. But yeah, so apparently like if you
Speaker 1: split a pole, it's really bad luck. And it's it's
Speaker 1: a superstition, I'm assuming, but it's just something that I've
Speaker 1: always heard. It's something that is so prevalent I feel
Speaker 1: in the and sub black community culture now, like a
Speaker 1: lot of people if you split a pole, like like,
Speaker 1: what the hell is wrong with you? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, so I I love what you're saying.
Speaker 1: There's two things that stand out to me in particular,
Speaker 1: and I'll start with the first thing is I did
Speaker 1: not know that you you see yourself as a very
Speaker 1: cautious person, that you're you're a which isn't to say
Speaker 1: that I don't think you're cautious. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: I that's not what I would have presumed in the
Speaker 1: time that we've spent together, that you're like a nervous
Speaker 1: Oh no, this kind of person nervous just very aware, okay,
Speaker 1: very awere minds be everywhere I be seeing maybe, and
Speaker 1: feel free to tell me if this is off base.
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of y'all. There's a you
Speaker 1: got a big family, there's a how many of y'all
Speaker 1: are there? All right? So if we break it down,
Speaker 1: my mother and father were together for almost thirty years,
Speaker 1: so they had six kids, and then my dad the
Speaker 1: divorced and my dad got remarried and he had two
Speaker 1: more kids. Yeah, so eight eight total kids that and
Speaker 1: you were the baby of the original You're the baby,
Speaker 1: which means that I imagine you saw the error in
Speaker 1: so many of your siblings ways that maybe that's where
Speaker 1: that caution sort of kicked in. Absolutely when you see it,
Speaker 1: people get their ass You like, whoa brother? I don't
Speaker 1: want none of that smoke. So differently, yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't put myself out there, but I'm very very cautious.
Speaker 1: That's how I'm gonna say. Sure, you saw enough as
Speaker 1: whip been flying, You're like, your girl ain't gotta go
Speaker 1: through that fair enough, so so that at least introduces
Speaker 1: a type of caution. Here's the other part that stands
Speaker 1: out to me that frankly, it wasn't until I was
Speaker 1: doing the research on this bad boy, that I really
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that this is a primarily black superstition.
Speaker 1: That's that was revelatory. So my question then is where
Speaker 1: do you think that comes from? Why is this a
Speaker 1: particularly black conspiracy theory? Slavery? I feel like from slavery, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but that that was a white a minute, that's how
Speaker 1: they get that's how they get you. Sure you're you're
Speaker 1: not wrong? Right? That absolutely it probably comes from slavery.
Speaker 1: But are you are you saying like that there's a
Speaker 1: specific thing in slavery work? Was there a master who
Speaker 1: was like pole man? He beat the ship out of
Speaker 1: you if you if you walk to certain ways, damn
Speaker 1: poles again, Oh, don't go buy old pole master. He's no,
Speaker 1: this is what I think. Now, this is I'm coming.
Speaker 1: It's completely up. Okay, I love that. That's honestly what
Speaker 1: we're here for. Imagine if you are trying to escape slavery, right,
Speaker 1: and there's a buddy system, right, you don't want to
Speaker 1: break that chain. You don't want to break that chain.
Speaker 1: So like say, if there's a barrier or something, you
Speaker 1: gotta go around it together because if you split up.
Speaker 1: Oh I like that, that's a good answer. You know, uh,
Speaker 1: in family, in family feud, when they go good, that's right.
Speaker 1: The bell then survey says, you know, I want to
Speaker 1: get I want to give you the full Steve Harvey
Speaker 1: treatment because that was a good answer. So you're saying
Speaker 1: that this is sort of like encouraging us in a
Speaker 1: now metaphorical way, to stay united in our efforts towards
Speaker 1: a certain goal or towards our freedom, our functionality, whatever
Speaker 1: it may be. Well, when you put it like that,
Speaker 1: yeah sounds really good. That's exactly what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I meant the whole time. Absolutely, you amire
Speaker 1: reader present. You didn't have to repeat that exactly what
Speaker 1: I said. Yeah, okay, that makes sense. So so this
Speaker 1: pole represents an obstruction that might keep us from being united,
Speaker 1: and therefore we don't split the poll because I would
Speaker 1: be bad luck. Okay, I like. I like where we're
Speaker 1: heading with this bad boy. So you're saying, let's let's
Speaker 1: go back a little bit. You're saying that you're a
Speaker 1: very cautio this person who rarely, if ever has has
Speaker 1: split a pole. Have you ever split a pole in
Speaker 1: your life? I think I'm pretty sure I used to
Speaker 1: do it as a kid for fun without even thinking
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, it was something that I would hear
Speaker 1: like as a child, like don't split a pole. We
Speaker 1: always hear that. And then this one day I was
Speaker 1: like I believe. I was in a bus stop with
Speaker 1: a friend and this random black man out of nowhere
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's right. You don't want to get
Speaker 1: that far. You don't get that far. No, no, we're
Speaker 1: there now. You can remedy. It's the remedy. I want
Speaker 1: to hear about this remedy. Right, So this random black man,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, you shouldn't split poles, but if
Speaker 1: you do, immediately say immediately say bread and butter. And
Speaker 1: that's the fix. So anytime, and I don't not only
Speaker 1: do I do it, like if I can do it,
Speaker 1: but if I see anybody else do it, I'll say
Speaker 1: it for them because I don't want them to have
Speaker 1: bad luck. You're out here like a bread and butter vigilant. Hell, yes,
Speaker 1: you're bread and butter batman. You just running through. I'm
Speaker 1: saved everybody from their own bad luck. Okay, And do
Speaker 1: you do you feel like you have any evidence of
Speaker 1: of that salvation working or or vice versa of people
Speaker 1: having split poles in front of you before you knew
Speaker 1: about this bread and butter remedy and the bad luck
Speaker 1: kicking in. Have you seen bad luck and it worked
Speaker 1: for anybody? Um? No. But here's the thing why I
Speaker 1: say this, because I always say bread and butter, so
Speaker 1: that saves people. You feel what I'm saying. So so
Speaker 1: you're saying, you're saying it's so much that there's no
Speaker 1: chance for the bad luck to find its way. Not
Speaker 1: on my watch, not on my watch. If I've ever
Speaker 1: seen anybody's like my sister, she's an asshole. I love her,
Speaker 1: though she knows that I have this superstition. So if
Speaker 1: we're walking together, she will not only split the pole,
Speaker 1: she'll do circles around it and the whole time in
Speaker 1: my mind and my bread and butter bred and buddy,
Speaker 1: motherfucker you read so Yeah, I mean, honestly, it's it's
Speaker 1: one of those like I do it so much now
Speaker 1: it's I don't even think about it. I just I
Speaker 1: see you happen and I'm going brandmother. Uh, let's let
Speaker 1: me ask you this question, because this is this is
Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory. You clearly hold her superstition. You clearly
Speaker 1: hold do you feel that because you're saying your sister
Speaker 1: ain't bought in on this, clear she thinks she doesn't
Speaker 1: believe in it all. Are other members of your family
Speaker 1: bought in? Are in this? Are you completely alone in this?
Speaker 1: I think I'm completely alone. I feel like I spent
Speaker 1: the most time as a child with our grandmother, right,
Speaker 1: and so a lot of superstitions and the conspiracy theories
Speaker 1: that I've grown to know as a kid, like I
Speaker 1: learned through her. So you know, all of my other siblings,
Speaker 1: they were in school, and they were well, they were
Speaker 1: mostly in school. They live in their lives or whatever
Speaker 1: the case, so a lot of the fears they had
Speaker 1: already grown out of. So I was like I was
Speaker 1: still stuck with them. So of course it's not gonna
Speaker 1: affect her the way it affects me, because I'm the
Speaker 1: last one. I have a different view from her. But
Speaker 1: even though one doesn't mean much to her, and it's
Speaker 1: never like I don't think she counts bad luck. I
Speaker 1: don't think she pays attention to that. I don't think
Speaker 1: any of my siblings like, damn I did that, Damn
Speaker 1: I funked up. That's bad luck. Like I'm I would
Speaker 1: be more of the person and like, damn, yeah, Glass,
Speaker 1: that's me, you know what I mean. It's my I
Speaker 1: am the oldest of five, and I think i'm further.
Speaker 1: There is a bigger separation between me and my youngest
Speaker 1: siblings than even you and your family. And there's a
Speaker 1: big gap for y'all. But like, my youngest sibling is
Speaker 1: twenty three years younger than I am. Okay, so it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's a pretty massive gap. And similar to you,
Speaker 1: my youngest sister, her best friend was our grandmother and
Speaker 1: sort of remains to our grandmother. She just spent ship
Speaker 1: tons of time hanging out with our grandmother, and because
Speaker 1: of that, she's just a little old lady who you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like she'd just be saying little
Speaker 1: old ladyship that that truly none of us ever adopted,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like the other day we
Speaker 1: were talking about liz though, like my sister was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I used to like Lizzo, but she don't. She can
Speaker 1: take her clothes off too much for my taste. And
Speaker 1: it's like, bitch, you're a lazy Why why is this
Speaker 1: your personality? I'm very judgment so as a child as well,
Speaker 1: so I agree with her. Like, no, no, I love Liz.
Speaker 1: I actually see one of my role mothers. But we
Speaker 1: all love Lizzo. That's not the point. My sister talks
Speaker 1: weird and I'm concerned. Well, let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: That granny intuition is gonna is gonna keep her safe, honestly,
Speaker 1: like a lot of I could have gotten to a
Speaker 1: lot of heinous ship as a kid, but because I
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time when my grandmother watching stories
Speaker 1: and stuff. You know, you your your attention focuses on
Speaker 1: different things. You have a lot of a lot more discernment.
Speaker 1: You spend time with your elders versus like just kicking
Speaker 1: it with your friends or something like that. So I
Speaker 1: agree with her. I was I was a very judgmental
Speaker 1: eleven year old. I I how and I see each other.
Speaker 1: I think y'all would have vibed. I think y'all would
Speaker 1: have found found some stuff to to rock with each other.
Speaker 1: On that said, you're getting these sort of like superstitious
Speaker 1: qualities from your grandmother. It was your grandmother especially superstitious.
Speaker 1: Was she like constantly walking around and and telling y'all
Speaker 1: to be wary of various you know, trickery out in
Speaker 1: the world. No, we were just really rumbunctious. So she
Speaker 1: she was like to go get a switch. It wasn't
Speaker 1: not more superstitious, just more like I said what I said.
Speaker 1: If it didn't happen, I'm gonna thread to you, but
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hit you. I'm a thread like that.
Speaker 1: So that's why I say I'm very cautious. I got you.
Speaker 1: I always teeter on the line of death. You feel
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, but I never go too far right.
Speaker 1: You knew how to how to stir Granny up, but
Speaker 1: you didn't upset her enough that she felt like she
Speaker 1: had to pull that switch back. And and absolutely my
Speaker 1: grandmother she was. She was dope to sale. She was
Speaker 1: an amazing She's very funny, very intuitive, but not like
Speaker 1: oh don't do that, baby like not like that. She
Speaker 1: wasn't that right. No, I think I similarly have never
Speaker 1: experienced that grandmother like that. Wasn't a grandma. I had
Speaker 1: of like, oh my precious child, And I was like
Speaker 1: I had a cigarette smoking in the tupockets, just had
Speaker 1: opinions on the stuff, And you had to be like
Speaker 1: a grandma. I guess I don't know. I ain't read
Speaker 1: that one. Feel you on that my grandmother was okay,
Speaker 1: So Grandma at least is introducing this idea to you
Speaker 1: or introducing this sense of caution maybe sure, are you
Speaker 1: then spreading the good word to your peers? Are you
Speaker 1: Are you then going out in the world and being like, hey, y'all, hot, hot,
Speaker 1: take here, stay away from splitting poles. Or is this
Speaker 1: so ingrained in in the community you're already in that
Speaker 1: you don't even need to spread this as news. It
Speaker 1: just this understood because I'm gonna go with be right.
Speaker 1: But also everybody not ready for the truth. You know,
Speaker 1: sometimes when you see who times when you speak what
Speaker 1: you know, people look at you like you crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So you'll keep certain things to yourself and you just
Speaker 1: continue to bless them or pray for them in silence,
Speaker 1: and you say bread and butter when you see them slippos.
Speaker 1: You don't have to tell everybody because they don't need
Speaker 1: to know. I got you. This bread and butter is
Speaker 1: for those who want to be bread and had heard
Speaker 1: and for those who don't. The good luck, best of luck. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: just you know, hopefully I'm around when you s the pole,
Speaker 1: because if now you've flucked. I got you. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you this question because I know a little bit
Speaker 1: about your family. I know you guys grew up in
Speaker 1: a in a or at least at a time. We're
Speaker 1: in a pretty Muslim household, right, Like you guys had
Speaker 1: a Muslim upbringing. How does superstition connect or doesn't connect
Speaker 1: to religion and religious practices? Do you think that they
Speaker 1: can coincide or is it like jetting up against it
Speaker 1: and you gotta like do your superstition under the bed
Speaker 1: when nobody's looking your prayers out in front when everybody
Speaker 1: is I think, okay, so we did. We were raised
Speaker 1: in an Islamic home, right, but then once my my
Speaker 1: parents divorced, it was kind of like the religion kind
Speaker 1: of went with the marriage, right. So for me that
Speaker 1: was six right. So anything that I learned from the
Speaker 1: religion from six and before, maybe there will be some
Speaker 1: sort of a connection, maybe sure, But after that I
Speaker 1: feel that just came from more worldly experiences, less less
Speaker 1: about religion. And if it is connected to any religion,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Christianity because everything comes from Christianity. Apparently. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well listen again, and we don't we rarely use this twice.
Speaker 1: But that's how they get you, because everything coming from Christianity,
Speaker 1: particularly in this country, feels like part of the way
Speaker 1: that like the weapons are created or at least the
Speaker 1: level of control c needed for people. You keep people
Speaker 1: in line by making sure that everything comes from Christianity
Speaker 1: and or is connected back to Christianity. Absolutely, So any
Speaker 1: of the you didn't do this if you don't do
Speaker 1: that in the because I don't. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: know the Bible like that. But if you know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of dudes and don't in there, I'm sure
Speaker 1: I know that part. And like, if you don't do
Speaker 1: the dudes, you'll ask grass, thus conspiracies, thus split im polls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then what's fascinating, And I'm glad you brought this
Speaker 1: up because I do think I don't think that many
Speaker 1: people do know the Bible right, like not in a
Speaker 1: way that they at least pretend to or position themselves too.
Speaker 1: And so it does become this weird game of like
Speaker 1: everybody's individual interpretations of very specific chapters or documents or
Speaker 1: quote as opposed to a full measured understanding of like
Speaker 1: the entire book and its intentions and even the entire
Speaker 1: book is a crazy concept because it's not like it
Speaker 1: was written by like one dude, now, lady, it was
Speaker 1: like curated by eighteen different people and then written by
Speaker 1: a hundred different people when they compacted all of that together,
Speaker 1: and one dude was like, YO, call that ship King James,
Speaker 1: and then we were off to the races. See what
Speaker 1: I'm saying you you you know more than that. Oh,
Speaker 1: I just threw our random names. I don't know. Is
Speaker 1: James a person? I think so? I think so. I
Speaker 1: think there's a there's a King James somewhere in the
Speaker 1: streets in history. So yeah, I mean, I think it's
Speaker 1: a challenging game that we're playing, right of Like, I
Speaker 1: guess it's not even that challenging there. There shouldn't be
Speaker 1: that much challenge in mixing religion and superstition because they
Speaker 1: all have a quality of just whatever is available, take it,
Speaker 1: leave it, who cares. I think that was my hardest
Speaker 1: thing about like growing up in religion was the fact
Speaker 1: that my father would always tell us like, it's it's
Speaker 1: your own interpretation. That's why it's important for you to
Speaker 1: read it so you can have your own connection with
Speaker 1: God or or whomever. I'm like, it's it's kind of
Speaker 1: also in a in a weird way like the internet,
Speaker 1: because I hear people saying like, you can go on
Speaker 1: the internet to find anything to back up whatever your
Speaker 1: agenda is. Yes, you know what I mean. Pastors go
Speaker 1: in the Bible and use passages to get you to
Speaker 1: pay their money. Yeah, right, yeah, So it's just yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm yeah, yeah, no, I think that's fair,
Speaker 1: and I think in a in a in a beautiful way,
Speaker 1: what you're saying is we all have an agenda. So
Speaker 1: your agenda can be an agenda doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: a bad word per se. It it can be a
Speaker 1: word of of support and and love and spreading as
Speaker 1: it as it was intended a good word. But there
Speaker 1: are also people who have a negative agenda, and we
Speaker 1: we only can see that employed after it's it's being
Speaker 1: employed if we have the knowledge to go back and
Speaker 1: read these things and research these things. So it's it's
Speaker 1: an odd game we're all playing of like figuring out, Okay,
Speaker 1: does this is this splitting the pole actually bad luck?
Speaker 1: Or is this like somebody trying to trick me into
Speaker 1: behaving a certain way just so that they can reclaim
Speaker 1: their power over me or the world or whatever it is. Damn,
Speaker 1: look at you bringing that full You are good exactly,
Speaker 1: wasn't hey? They packed me the big bucks and my
Speaker 1: big bucks, I mean almost nothing to bake these connections.
Speaker 1: So you know, I do my best. I do my
Speaker 1: best to bring it all full circle. Well, kudos to
Speaker 1: you because you just you just didn't. I was like,
Speaker 1: I was up there and then you brought me back.
Speaker 1: All right, Well we're back and we'll be back with
Speaker 1: more surry s and more, my mama told me. And
Speaker 1: we are back. Yeah, we're back here with mores, suri solo,
Speaker 1: dame more. My mama told me. We're still talking about
Speaker 1: this superstition that if you split the pole, your black
Speaker 1: ass is gonna have bad luck. And and who knows
Speaker 1: if it's real or if this is something fictitious that
Speaker 1: an evil person cooked up. We're figuring it out. Do
Speaker 1: you Are you a particularly superstitious person across the board?
Speaker 1: Are you like, hell yeah, I'm bought in on black cats,
Speaker 1: mirrors broken, all that stuff. Or is it limited to
Speaker 1: just splo to two pole splitting? All right, listen, when
Speaker 1: I was in the sixth grade, okay, I was looking
Speaker 1: outside of my window and I've seen a black cat. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's just a random black cat. That same day, I
Speaker 1: went to school and got into my first fight ever.
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? Well, let me ask you this, were
Speaker 1: you about to fight that day anyway? And I was not,
Speaker 1: had no intentions on fighting any black child. This black
Speaker 1: cat didn't know him. Well, your ass was was already
Speaker 1: cracking your knuckles and putting on you on your cheeks.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you how I'm prepared I was for
Speaker 1: this fight. I did not bring any of asoline to school.
Speaker 1: I did not bring any extra hair ties, none of
Speaker 1: those things. I literally looked out the window was like,
Speaker 1: huh a black cat. And then when I when the
Speaker 1: rest of my day and went on like just and
Speaker 1: didn't think twice of it. And then the next thing
Speaker 1: I know, I'm getting into the fight with a girl.
Speaker 1: So it's like, no, I think it's just putting poles
Speaker 1: and black cats. Oh that's where you limited. And this
Speaker 1: I imagine black cat justified by the fact that this
Speaker 1: girl wanted to fight you after you saw this black cat.
Speaker 1: And then the pull sweating because your grandmother gave you
Speaker 1: this information. Well, here's the thing as far as the
Speaker 1: black cat goes, right, don't, I don't. I don't want
Speaker 1: to just discriminate against all black cats, because that's not
Speaker 1: what we're doing here. Now. I thought you were doing
Speaker 1: racist catch ship, but no, go ahead. I think that
Speaker 1: that was more of a coincidence because I've seen black
Speaker 1: cats since then and nothing bad happened, obviously, But I
Speaker 1: was just saying that was a coincidence. That was a
Speaker 1: coincidence that like I had looked out the window and
Speaker 1: I was like huh and then boom there I am
Speaker 1: beating girls up. Just damn Okay, so you want to fight,
Speaker 1: so it can't be that bad. It gave me that
Speaker 1: bad luck. Now, if you got stocked and jumped and
Speaker 1: had no didn't get no hits, then maybe black cats justified.
Speaker 1: But it's not like black cats do you a favor?
Speaker 1: The security girl asked my MoMA, like, hell, yo, who teacher,
Speaker 1: what are you doing less in the backyard? And you
Speaker 1: have to be like yeah, kind of yeah, kinda no.
Speaker 1: But I think honestly, for me, really truly, all just
Speaker 1: a side. It's just poles. I don't I'm not like
Speaker 1: I got you. You're not uh super superstitious. Well, let's
Speaker 1: let's dig into some of this research and maybe this
Speaker 1: will make you feel more justified in your decision to
Speaker 1: be superstitious with the pole. Maybe it won't. We'll we'll
Speaker 1: find out. But like many superstitions, this one apparently takes
Speaker 1: many forms. Right that that it isn't just what we've
Speaker 1: talked about, but there are some other elements that live
Speaker 1: in it. But I read some who believe that by
Speaker 1: splitting the pole, and this is interesting because it kind
Speaker 1: of connects to what you were saying about the slavery
Speaker 1: of it all, or at least the the the connection
Speaker 1: of it all is that there are some who believe
Speaker 1: that by splitting the pole, you are severing the connection
Speaker 1: with another person. That like, uh that that when you
Speaker 1: walk with a person, you are sharing your spirit, your
Speaker 1: your energy with that person. And then by splitting an object,
Speaker 1: by allowing something to come in the middle of you,
Speaker 1: you are severing that connection and that is why you
Speaker 1: get bad luck. Specifically, they say the bad luck is
Speaker 1: transferred to the younger person in that pair, right or
Speaker 1: in that group, because they say that the younger person,
Speaker 1: in being severed in that group is losing the wisdom
Speaker 1: of the older person walking beside them. So you're cut
Speaker 1: off from that wisdom and therefore you are facing bad luck.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. You know I've been told that I was
Speaker 1: psychic before. Now this is just I'm just gonna throw
Speaker 1: you on a loop here. Oh, I had no idea
Speaker 1: when I said what I said about and you look
Speaker 1: it up and boom bout plow. They must have been
Speaker 1: reading my mind or something. Yeah, these articles that were
Speaker 1: written well before you said it must have been reading
Speaker 1: your mind. I was feeding them ship. What is the ESP? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got you. So so let's let's go even further
Speaker 1: into your ESP because almost all of the articles that
Speaker 1: I read talk about the solution to splitting a pole
Speaker 1: being the phrase bread and butter. You absolutely almost everything
Speaker 1: I read said that if you split a pole, you
Speaker 1: are meant to to say bread and butter. And that
Speaker 1: got me asking the question, why the fuck are we
Speaker 1: saying bread and butter in relation to split poles. It's
Speaker 1: a very dumb thing to say theoretically about splitting poles. Now,
Speaker 1: before I tell you what I found, I'm curious to know,
Speaker 1: and this will be a good test of your ESP.
Speaker 1: What do you think the reason is for saying bread
Speaker 1: and butter. Okay, now when I I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: now call that man a prophet, that man, that random
Speaker 1: man on the corner, sure, because oh this was like
Speaker 1: I had been like six seven grade, right, So who
Speaker 1: the hell knew that they were putting this information on
Speaker 1: the internet all the way back then? Not him? That
Speaker 1: man didn't even probably have a cell phone. We felt
Speaker 1: the prophet James still, yeah, that's his name, Prophet James
Speaker 1: off of and Western. Now as far as bread and
Speaker 1: butter goes, all right, boom, here we go. I'm at
Speaker 1: the break it down. So if it if it came
Speaker 1: from slavery, right, what did slaves have to eat? Like,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, what was something that they had the
Speaker 1: most access to? Perhaps bread? Bread? Yeah, no, they had bread.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they had butter. They were probably
Speaker 1: the ones we probably invented butter. Okay, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: they gave us the cattle of like here, motherfucker, figure
Speaker 1: it out. And so he was like all right then
Speaker 1: and then we fingured it out. Okay, I like where
Speaker 1: you're going. I like what you're doing. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we have been but I probably made that up,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying. Unfortunately, what I'll tell you is
Speaker 1: that your esp seems to be glitching a little bit
Speaker 1: because that's not quite the answer that I found bread
Speaker 1: and butter. But but I like where you were headed.
Speaker 1: The concept of saying bread and butter derives from the
Speaker 1: difficulty of separating butter from bread once it's been spread, right,
Speaker 1: So so you can't unbuttered bread, you can't scrape butter
Speaker 1: off of it. And so by saying bread and butter,
Speaker 1: you re established the connection that you would have had
Speaker 1: with that person had that pole not split. Y'all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: see proper Jenny z that's he was. He had quick
Speaker 1: information for you. He had to get on that buzz.
Speaker 1: That makes sense because you can't you can't ring out
Speaker 1: and render the butter. Not at all, Okay, I can
Speaker 1: learn something. So Interestingly, a lot of the online discussions
Speaker 1: seemed to suggest that this is especially and as we
Speaker 1: mentioned a black superstition, which I didn't realize. I thought
Speaker 1: white devils enjoyed the superstition too, and and I was wondering, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: why specifically do we think black people are so into this?
Speaker 1: And you Zuri once again we're correct that early nineteenth
Speaker 1: century is basically the placement of the origins of this
Speaker 1: and it's slavery and racism, and particularly it was again
Speaker 1: sort of like a a metaphorical much in the way
Speaker 1: that that so much of our language and and our
Speaker 1: history is written through like these odd metaphors. It was
Speaker 1: slaves encouraging each other to stay connected with one another,
Speaker 1: not necessarily in the in the don't get lost kind
Speaker 1: of way, but omotional connection. And splitting the pole was
Speaker 1: a metaphorical, uh, sort of like breaking of that connectivity.
Speaker 1: I love that seat. You bring stuff to the table
Speaker 1: and bam, it turns out to be gold. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: in a in a nice way, it seems like the pole.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that slaves started by being like, don't
Speaker 1: split a pole, right, But they probably started by being like, hey,
Speaker 1: don't split that corn stock or that right, yeah, some
Speaker 1: goofy slave ship. And now you know, I ain't have nothing,
Speaker 1: don't split that hard slave clothing. But now we kind
Speaker 1: of free black people can can come up with new
Speaker 1: things to to encourage each other to stay connected. And
Speaker 1: the pole became our contemporary interpretation of their old logic.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Hmm okay. So one of the things that
Speaker 1: got me excited about all of this, or one of
Speaker 1: the things that I found especially interesting is sort of
Speaker 1: like this, this idea of of contemporary conspiracy theories born
Speaker 1: of superstition, right, that superstition seems to be born of
Speaker 1: people trying to make logic from the illogical. So, if
Speaker 1: you are a slave, you're facing down something that truly
Speaker 1: is illogical. You are being told you are not human
Speaker 1: human beings when you know fully that you are human beings,
Speaker 1: and you didn't even belong in this space in the
Speaker 1: first place, and you're being told that by a bunch
Speaker 1: of people who brought you here but also pretend like
Speaker 1: they don't want you here. It's a fucking wild concept.
Speaker 1: And so one of the ways that you remain human
Speaker 1: and remain logical in this is to to create logic
Speaker 1: where logic doesn't exist absolutely. So that then took me
Speaker 1: into the ways and this we already sort of touched
Speaker 1: on this, but it got me interested in in uh.
Speaker 1: At least, I found it interesting to think about how
Speaker 1: many of our religious practices could easily be labeled as
Speaker 1: superstition or even conspiracy theory if they weren't so broadly accepted.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Well, please, well, you know, like, uh,
Speaker 1: for example, in some religious practices, we we drink the
Speaker 1: blood of Jesus and we eat the bread which is
Speaker 1: his body. That is, that is a metaphor that has
Speaker 1: sort of been passed down from generation or generation. And
Speaker 1: if it weren't for the fact that millions upon millions
Speaker 1: of people agree to take part in this, it truly
Speaker 1: would just be superstition. It would just be conspiracy theory
Speaker 1: to have like eight people in a room eating some
Speaker 1: wafers and calling it body when in fact it probably
Speaker 1: you know, because we've spread it so much, and because
Speaker 1: it's been intentionally spread so much, we accepted as something
Speaker 1: more substantial than that. Yeah, I think personally, what I
Speaker 1: feel is that comes from just wanting to be safe. Right,
Speaker 1: So a lot of the superstitions and conspiracies come from
Speaker 1: just trying to literally not die, not die at death
Speaker 1: that was not natural or was an accident. Right. And
Speaker 1: so you you have again, like slavery, these people who
Speaker 1: are telling you what you what you just mentioned about,
Speaker 1: you're not a human being and you're gonna do what
Speaker 1: the fun I tell you to do, or I'm gonna
Speaker 1: kill you. So you you come up with these different
Speaker 1: survival methods to to to avoid that, and and in
Speaker 1: a weird way, they catch on because it makes sense
Speaker 1: for the masses to stay the masses. And that's that's
Speaker 1: the part I think I'm especially interested in. Right. I
Speaker 1: agree with you that these practices are about safety. You
Speaker 1: said it yourself that the splitting of the poll is
Speaker 1: really about you wanting to to be you were you were,
Speaker 1: where you're You're cautious in these spaces, and so it's
Speaker 1: just a way of keeping yourself protected and safe. And
Speaker 1: that is not dissimilar from the reasons that we pray
Speaker 1: and we talk to a god who isn't physically there,
Speaker 1: but we believe is there. That all makes sense, But
Speaker 1: then the question becomes, what is the intention on the
Speaker 1: part of the people who are spreading these things and
Speaker 1: why do they do they want them spread? So the
Speaker 1: splitting of the poll, we now understand, is coming from
Speaker 1: a community that wants to keep other members of that
Speaker 1: community safe. But the praying to a god that could
Speaker 1: just be colonialism, right, That could just be a bunch
Speaker 1: of white people being like, if we can get them
Speaker 1: to get on their knees. When we tell them to
Speaker 1: get on their knees and pray for what we tell
Speaker 1: them to pray for, then we have their ear, we
Speaker 1: have their their power, and we can control them for
Speaker 1: generations to come. Yeah, that's true. I think that part
Speaker 1: for me is really tricky because you a lot of Christian,
Speaker 1: a lot of people in religion, right, they don't believe
Speaker 1: that they're being controlled. It's almost like if you if
Speaker 1: you save, you buy somebody something right, and you're like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is specifically for you to do this right, But
Speaker 1: then they take it and they're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: yeah you're talking about I'm doing it for this, this, this, this,
Speaker 1: and then they're successful because they created their own interpretation
Speaker 1: from this. So that's I feel like that's why a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't even feel like they're being controlled,
Speaker 1: because they think that they are in control with what
Speaker 1: they've been given. Yes, yeah, yeah, no, I completely agree.
Speaker 1: I think I think the the idea of and it's
Speaker 1: it's funny because we're we're talking about these very nebulous words,
Speaker 1: right like control and freedom and all these things. They
Speaker 1: don't actually mean anything unless you add a level of
Speaker 1: subjectivity to it that that I have an interpretation of
Speaker 1: what freedom is which may not be your interpretation of
Speaker 1: what freedom is. And the same is true for all
Speaker 1: of these religious beliefs, these superstitions, these conspiracy theories, that
Speaker 1: you go, well, if I just do this, then I'm free,
Speaker 1: and someone else might be like, yeah, but nah, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to add my own little flavor to it,
Speaker 1: and then I'll create my freedom, which actually requires you
Speaker 1: to be trapped, but I'll be free. And that's it's
Speaker 1: just all very complicated because we're none of it is
Speaker 1: objective enough to let us all just be as as
Speaker 1: loose and and at liberty as we would love. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I personally, I think it's all a state
Speaker 1: of arned, like you're as free as you believe you are,
Speaker 1: mm hmm. And I like that, I do think in
Speaker 1: a nice way. That is what what is comforting about religion,
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory, superstition is that it is about your own
Speaker 1: state of mind more than it is about like your
Speaker 1: measurement out in the world. That as long as I
Speaker 1: am talking to God in my head, then I'm talking
Speaker 1: to God. It doesn't matter if the world can prove
Speaker 1: that God exists or prove that splitting these poles causes
Speaker 1: bad luck or whatever it is. Yeah, there's absolutely no
Speaker 1: proof of it. But let me tell you something. I've
Speaker 1: never gotten bad. Let me splind the pole. But and
Speaker 1: you're beating bitches up at school, so you're doing great.
Speaker 1: That was a one time. It didn't happen again. One
Speaker 1: of the things that I decided to do sort of
Speaker 1: thinking about a lot of these conversations and and sort
Speaker 1: of like this subject in general, is I wanted to
Speaker 1: read an article about the connection between superstition and religion, right,
Speaker 1: And one of the things they said they said is
Speaker 1: that there was actually like a very deep connection in
Speaker 1: superstition and religion in colonial America, like in in America
Speaker 1: back when the Pilgrims were kicking around here. Right. One
Speaker 1: of the things that they talked about is the fact
Speaker 1: that in many ways, religious practices are really just superstitions
Speaker 1: that have been confirmed. Right, It's just superstition that they've
Speaker 1: they've managed to actually prove to some extent, versus superstition
Speaker 1: which remains a little more unproven out in the world.
Speaker 1: I Mean, here's the thing. I feel like it's one
Speaker 1: of those things where you had to be there to
Speaker 1: see it. Yeah, and seeing it's how you know, I
Speaker 1: many usually talking about millions, like a thousands, like how
Speaker 1: far back, like colonial Americans? Like actually, in my mind
Speaker 1: I was thinking of like the origin of the Bible, right,
Speaker 1: but but in the in in that in essence, I
Speaker 1: just feel like it's the greatest example I would probably
Speaker 1: be able to use. It's like the news, like the media,
Speaker 1: So you tripping fall, we talk about this, They talked
Speaker 1: about this sometime side you're tripping fall, and then it
Speaker 1: spirals into this a tragedy has struck in this neighborhood.
Speaker 1: It's like, and think it really just tripped and failed,
Speaker 1: but you all talking about thirty people die. You feel
Speaker 1: what I'm saying to me, conspiracy It's just a horrible
Speaker 1: game of telephone, how it is. It's just like you
Speaker 1: you're telling someone one thing to try to prevent them,
Speaker 1: and then they go and share, thinking that they're helping
Speaker 1: someone else, and you're really just spreading bullshit. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think that's a that's a good articulation of what
Speaker 1: I also think conspiracy theory can be. I think what
Speaker 1: makes it more interesting is you play telephone as a kid.
Speaker 1: Obviously you're aware of the game. But what makes telephone
Speaker 1: interesting is somebody is making a choice at some point
Speaker 1: in the game to change the word they have to
Speaker 1: be because it's not a question of being able to
Speaker 1: hear it. It's a question of what you wanted the
Speaker 1: word to be or what you wanted the response from
Speaker 1: that word to become. So somebody whispers the word like
Speaker 1: tuberculosis and uh, you decide that like, you're gonna change
Speaker 1: it to torque on theosis. And now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's a different conversation when it makes it all the
Speaker 1: way to the end of the line. And that starts
Speaker 1: with one individual. It starts with one person deciding to
Speaker 1: interpret a thing in front of them. The tricky thing
Speaker 1: about the world is that there's not there's never an
Speaker 1: end of the line. Yes, I like that, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's a good way. It's a haunting way
Speaker 1: of going to break. But I think you're right. I
Speaker 1: think it really made me feel scared and sad when
Speaker 1: you when you said it. But I do think there's
Speaker 1: a very dark truth of that that there is no
Speaker 1: end of the line, because there's always people being born,
Speaker 1: there's always more people, and there's always more people to
Speaker 1: misinterpret or or reinterpret the things in front of us.
Speaker 1: And we really just have to be responsible for ourselves
Speaker 1: and and do our best to feel happy and healthy
Speaker 1: and whole no matter what. The telephone game happens to
Speaker 1: be full circle? Did that work? Did we make it
Speaker 1: all the way back? Hell? Yeah, dog, all right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna get out of here. We'll take another break. We'll
Speaker 1: be back when more is very solid O day and more,
Speaker 1: my mama told me. And we are back. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: back here with more Zuri Solo Dean More. My mama
Speaker 1: told me. We're still talking about them. Goddamn superstitions, those
Speaker 1: those conspiracy theory splitting polls. Black people don't do it.
Speaker 1: White people go crazy. That's that's what I say, split
Speaker 1: away white people. Well, what harm could it could it
Speaker 1: do to you? Better cut it out. Let's play games, Zury.
Speaker 1: We this is this is a fun game that I
Speaker 1: cooked up especially for your episode. It's a new game
Speaker 1: called Stupid Stitious. You're stupid was nine plus ten You're stupid,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm calling it. I think I said stupid
Speaker 1: stititions at one point to you, but we'll go with
Speaker 1: stupid stitious. What I will do zuri is. I'm going
Speaker 1: to introduce to you a number of superstitions from around
Speaker 1: the world, some some very worldly international superstitions. What I
Speaker 1: would love for you to do is just give your
Speaker 1: takes on whether or not you think these things are
Speaker 1: are legit, if there's any legitimacy to them, if you
Speaker 1: would if you personally plan to adopt them into your
Speaker 1: own practices. I just want your takes cool. So let's
Speaker 1: start with a fun one. The first one comes from Syria.
Speaker 1: In Syria, apparently they banned yo yo's in three over
Speaker 1: fear that they would cause a drought. Your thoughts, all right,
Speaker 1: let me just unpractice, take your time. The logics all there,
Speaker 1: there's no there's no rush Syria. It's already hot. And
Speaker 1: uh some about this motion right here perhaps causes the
Speaker 1: shift in the wind. Okay, Thus I had nothing after that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean maybe if they think like
Speaker 1: everybody and see area has a yo yo and they're
Speaker 1: all do a miss, they're working up with the wind,
Speaker 1: which works up with like the irrigation. Yeah, you know, maybe,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I you know, it makes me think
Speaker 1: that maybe much like what we were talking about, it
Speaker 1: just was a in n three yo yo's were new
Speaker 1: and and maybe they were facing They probably weren't new,
Speaker 1: but they probably were new earth than they are today,
Speaker 1: and maybe they were facing down a nasty drought and
Speaker 1: they were like you knew, yo yo niggas are sucking
Speaker 1: up our chances at a good rain, and I we ain't.
Speaker 1: We we can't risk it. We have to be cautious
Speaker 1: to get rid of the yo yo's and maybe we'll
Speaker 1: be Okay, Yeah, that one, I'm gonna go ahead and
Speaker 1: call it a superstition. Yeah, that's a stupid stition for you.
Speaker 1: I respect that choice. Okay, here's here's a different one
Speaker 1: that I'm interested to hear your thoughts on whistling indoors.
Speaker 1: Apparently whistling while you work maybe an issue in Lithuania,
Speaker 1: where it is forbidden to whistle indoors. They do not
Speaker 1: let you whistle indoors and Lithuania. Okay, all right, Lithuania, yep,
Speaker 1: I see a len Okay, oh sorry, sorry, before you
Speaker 1: go crazy on this, let me I I need to
Speaker 1: finish the last piece that I this is my mistake.
Speaker 1: But the reason they don't want you whistling indoors is
Speaker 1: because they believe the noise will summon demons. Have you
Speaker 1: ever heard that one whistle tune to go the do
Speaker 1: do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do do do?
Speaker 1: You never heard that. I've never heard what you're trying
Speaker 1: to do in my life. Probably have you seen Bigelow? Okay,
Speaker 1: you remember when the killer was whistling that too? It
Speaker 1: was extremely demonic. Yes, I want to agree with Lithuania.
Speaker 1: That's that they're whistling summons the devil. Okay, So whistling
Speaker 1: in general for you feels eerie and and scary and demonic,
Speaker 1: and you're not You prefer not to have that happening
Speaker 1: because I can't do it, and I am no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I am of God. And so there's a reason clearly
Speaker 1: why I can't listen. The Lord wouldn't curse you with
Speaker 1: no whistlings, and the rest of us we're going to hell.
Speaker 1: I don't do the door. Okay, Well, Lithuania, you're bought in,
Speaker 1: you you. It sounds like you'll do well in Lithuania.
Speaker 1: You will not do as well in Syria. But that's okay.
Speaker 1: I got to have my yo yo. You've got to
Speaker 1: have you yo yo. Okay, here's another one. In Mexico,
Speaker 1: they believe that it is bad luck to place two
Speaker 1: mirrors opposite each other, that the infinite reflections that are
Speaker 1: created by these two, these two mirrors facing each other
Speaker 1: open a doorway to the devil. M M. I've actually
Speaker 1: heard that before, or um, not not that it was Mexican,
Speaker 1: but like facing two mirrors like this together. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've heard that before that it creates like a portal
Speaker 1: for spirits to like trends like coming in and out.
Speaker 1: I got you so and when you heard that, you
Speaker 1: were like, okay, cool, never doing that, or you were like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm about to put some mirrors next to each other
Speaker 1: and see what happens. Well, honestly, okay, do you remember,
Speaker 1: like they probably still have these in some bathrooms, like
Speaker 1: in the bathrooms where you have like the little cabinets
Speaker 1: and it has like the three different mirridors. I used
Speaker 1: to put the motherfucker's together and put my head in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your face in. Yeah, you can see you all the
Speaker 1: way down the way, pretty sexty. This is the three
Speaker 1: sixty situation of my head. So yeah, Mexico, yeah, Mexico lost,
Speaker 1: and no devil's back here. That's why I give myself
Speaker 1: a haircut in eighth grade. See what I'm saying. Okay,
Speaker 1: I talked about haircuts. Here's a fun one. In India.
Speaker 1: Apparently they believe that you should not get a haircut
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday or it will cause bad luck. Well,
Speaker 1: saying is how my other hair comes from India. All Right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead. I'm gonna go ahead and agree.
Speaker 1: I wanna sunk up the flop. So god, you you're like,
Speaker 1: if that's what the Indian people believe, then then I
Speaker 1: support their work and I'm not in the product in
Speaker 1: the mail and the instructions read don't do this. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and listen to right. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you this about this Tuesday ship. Are you worried that
Speaker 1: some of the hair that you've gotten from India might
Speaker 1: be Tuesday as hair and therefore less quality. Now, if
Speaker 1: you know anything about the hair that they do sell,
Speaker 1: most of it is from natural ritual, So I highly
Speaker 1: doubt it was cut on a Tuesday. How really got it? Damn? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got you. So they they're doing something a little
Speaker 1: more substantial in the cutting and therefore probably not doing
Speaker 1: it on the one day a week that you ain't
Speaker 1: supposed to do that. Ship. It's a sacred thing. Why
Speaker 1: would you? Yeah, alright, respect, Okay, last one, This is
Speaker 1: the last one I'll hit you with. In Spain, apparently,
Speaker 1: instead of kissing someone at midnight to celebrate the new year,
Speaker 1: they are encouraged to eat twelve grapes one after the
Speaker 1: other for good luck. You eat grapes on the new
Speaker 1: year for good luck? Um, I mean we black eyed peas?
Speaker 1: Why we If we could have black eyed peas, they
Speaker 1: can have grapes. I don't. I don't see anything wrong
Speaker 1: with that, okay, because I don't get the black eyed
Speaker 1: peas things, all right, nor do I all right, so
Speaker 1: you're just like, look, if there's a version that exists
Speaker 1: for us, then then there's probably a version that exists
Speaker 1: for other people. And apparently grapes the black eyed pas
Speaker 1: is a one for one between black Americans and Spanish kissers,
Speaker 1: I guess, or people out in the world. Great, all right, well, Zuri,
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