WEBVTT - Pole Goals (with Zuri Salahuddin) 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:06.640 I truly was like, no, white people don't split the 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:10.559 pole neither, but apply these motherfuckers are splitting the poles white. 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:13.480 They're holding hands and then if a pole comes, letting 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:16.520 hand go and read joining hands. That's how that works 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:19.560 in their culture. Yeah, no, we don't do that around here. 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:28.560 We're grabbing hands going around that pole. My crop chips 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:42.520 in your man bears are racist money stuff. You can't 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:49.120 tell me. Yep, yep, yep. There it is. There it is. 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:53.800 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:58.040 Mama Told Me, the podcast where we dive deep, deep 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:01.480 into the pockets of black expiracy theories and we finally 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.479 work to prove that Mr Cheeks is his father's name. 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:08.440 You could just call him Cheeves, you know, you could 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:11.720 just call him regular old Cheeks. You can lose the 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:15.759 formalities with old Mr Cheeks, just call him Cheeks. I'm 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:18.960 your host, Lankston Kerman. I'm happy to be here. It's 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:22.800 a goddamn holiday season. It's it's it's the time of 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:27.040 of love and giving and also still toxic conspiracy theories, 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:30.000 and that is what we're spreading here today. And my 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.600 guest today she's She's a joy. She is a person 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:37.560 I imagine who spreads both cheer and toxicity all in 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:41.240 a in a warm in a warm bubble. You know, 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:47.680 just a sweet because a fruitcake of of cheering toxicity. 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:51.600 She's fantastic. You know her from some great shows from 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:55.520 south Side Now on HBO Max Season two is available 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:57.960 and she is one of the breakout stars of that show. 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:02.480 She also has been seen Sherman Showcase, where you know 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:06.520 one of their most classic, most classic bits came out 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:12.959 of what was its dropping lover For Jesus goddamn a hit. 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:15.440 If they played it in the club, we'd all go on. 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:18.000 You know her, you love her? Please give it up 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:24.400 for my guest, Missouri Salahudine. What I've done, what's going on? 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.920 Thank you for having me. I'm hell exciting, man. I 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.120 was jealous and everybody get a nature and I was like, 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:35.280 what is excited? Is your turn to Let's let's get messy, 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:39.680 let's get toxic, let's do the whole thing. You came with, 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:44.160 uh an exciting one that I'm told you had. You 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:46.120 already had it in the bag. You were ready to 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:49.120 go as soon as you were asked. And this one's 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:52.799 exciting because I think, like some of them once we've 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:56.919 done in the past. It is not quite conspiracy theory. 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:01.760 It borders on superstition. But I imagine that those have 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:05.880 similar qualities depending on how you interpret them. But I 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:09.480 won't I won't delay this anymore. You said, my mama 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:20.240 told me it's bad luck to split poles. Yes, if 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.240 you split a pole, it is bad luck. And I 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:27.720 also have the remedy to reverse that bad luck. Immediately 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:32.120 after you split that pole. I do it every single time. Okay, 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.960 well before you give us the remedy, because we don't 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:37.440 even know what the fun this, this bad luck is 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:40.000 coming from yet. Don't don't jump the gun here, Zuri. 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:42.040 We got work to do, all right. That tell me 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:45.000 where this comes from? For you? Is this something you believe? 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:48.920 There's something you've always believed to tell me everything. Well, 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:54.040 here's the thing I've I've always been extremely cautionary. Right, So, 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.800 as a child, when you hear certain things, you know, 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.680 usually if you don't listen to what you're told, you 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:02.560 get like a spanking or something like, at least from 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:04.680 where I was from, you get a spanking or you 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:06.840 get a time out, right, So you don't even want 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:10.200 to find out what happens when you don't listen. So 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:14.240 I actually would never know if it's bad luck because 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:19.320 I immediately follow instructions on what to do if I 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:23.480 split said whole. But yeah, so apparently like if you 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:28.240 split a pole, it's really bad luck. And it's it's 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.840 a superstition, I'm assuming, but it's just something that I've 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:35.000 always heard. It's something that is so prevalent I feel 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:39.920 in the and sub black community culture now, like a 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.479 lot of people if you split a pole, like like, 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:43.960 what the hell is wrong with you? You know what 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:48.039 I mean? Yeah, so I I love what you're saying. 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:50.279 There's two things that stand out to me in particular, 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:55.080 and I'll start with the first thing is I did 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:58.080 not know that you you see yourself as a very 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:01.760 cautious person, that you're you're a which isn't to say 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:03.719 that I don't think you're cautious. I don't know, but 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:07.480 I that's not what I would have presumed in the 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:10.520 time that we've spent together, that you're like a nervous 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:15.920 Oh no, this kind of person nervous just very aware, okay, 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:20.320 very awere minds be everywhere I be seeing maybe, and 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:22.479 feel free to tell me if this is off base. 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.640 But there are a lot of y'all. There's a you 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:27.159 got a big family, there's a how many of y'all 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:28.880 are there? All right? So if we break it down, 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:31.680 my mother and father were together for almost thirty years, 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.520 so they had six kids, and then my dad the 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:36.960 divorced and my dad got remarried and he had two 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:43.440 more kids. Yeah, so eight eight total kids that and 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:48.080 you were the baby of the original You're the baby, 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:52.520 which means that I imagine you saw the error in 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:56.080 so many of your siblings ways that maybe that's where 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:59.880 that caution sort of kicked in. Absolutely when you see it, 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:04.800 people get their ass You like, whoa brother? I don't 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:10.480 want none of that smoke. So differently, yeah, yeah, you know, 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.400 I don't put myself out there, but I'm very very cautious. 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.400 That's how I'm gonna say. Sure, you saw enough as 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.479 whip been flying, You're like, your girl ain't gotta go 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:25.839 through that fair enough, so so that at least introduces 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.480 a type of caution. Here's the other part that stands 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:31.080 out to me that frankly, it wasn't until I was 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:34.279 doing the research on this bad boy, that I really 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:39.640 I didn't realize that this is a primarily black superstition. 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:45.200 That's that was revelatory. So my question then is where 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:48.240 do you think that comes from? Why is this a 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:54.200 particularly black conspiracy theory? Slavery? I feel like from slavery, Like, yeah, 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:56.800 but that that was a white a minute, that's how 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.240 they get that's how they get you. Sure you're you're 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:03.400 not wrong? Right? That absolutely it probably comes from slavery. 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.599 But are you are you saying like that there's a 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:09.520 specific thing in slavery work? Was there a master who 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:13.880 was like pole man? He beat the ship out of 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:18.120 you if you if you walk to certain ways, damn 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:24.960 poles again, Oh, don't go buy old pole master. He's no, 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.080 this is what I think. Now, this is I'm coming. 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:31.760 It's completely up. Okay, I love that. That's honestly what 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:37.040 we're here for. Imagine if you are trying to escape slavery, right, 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:40.560 and there's a buddy system, right, you don't want to 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:42.720 break that chain. You don't want to break that chain. 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.280 So like say, if there's a barrier or something, you 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.760 gotta go around it together because if you split up. 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:55.000 Oh I like that, that's a good answer. You know, uh, 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:59.680 in family, in family feud, when they go good, that's right. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:04.920 The bell then survey says, you know, I want to 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:06.880 get I want to give you the full Steve Harvey 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.200 treatment because that was a good answer. So you're saying 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:12.480 that this is sort of like encouraging us in a 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:18.880 now metaphorical way, to stay united in our efforts towards 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:22.440 a certain goal or towards our freedom, our functionality, whatever 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:24.000 it may be. Well, when you put it like that, 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:29.240 yeah sounds really good. That's exactly what I mean. Yeah, 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:33.559 that's what I meant the whole time. Absolutely, you amire 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:37.520 reader present. You didn't have to repeat that exactly what 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:44.240 I said. Yeah, okay, that makes sense. So so this 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:48.520 pole represents an obstruction that might keep us from being united, 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:51.320 and therefore we don't split the poll because I would 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:53.960 be bad luck. Okay, I like. I like where we're 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:57.120 heading with this bad boy. So you're saying, let's let's 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.400 go back a little bit. You're saying that you're a 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:04.080 very cautio this person who rarely, if ever has has 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:06.280 split a pole. Have you ever split a pole in 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:08.320 your life? I think I'm pretty sure I used to 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.960 do it as a kid for fun without even thinking 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:14.720 of it. Yeah, it was something that I would hear 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:18.439 like as a child, like don't split a pole. We 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:20.760 always hear that. And then this one day I was 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:22.840 like I believe. I was in a bus stop with 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:26.160 a friend and this random black man out of nowhere 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:28.160 was like, oh, that's right. You don't want to get 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:30.559 that far. You don't get that far. No, no, we're 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.600 there now. You can remedy. It's the remedy. I want 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.200 to hear about this remedy. Right, So this random black man, 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:39.800 it's like, you know, you shouldn't split poles, but if 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:44.760 you do, immediately say immediately say bread and butter. And 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:47.640 that's the fix. So anytime, and I don't not only 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:49.240 do I do it, like if I can do it, 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:51.880 but if I see anybody else do it, I'll say 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:53.480 it for them because I don't want them to have 0:09:53.559 --> 0:10:00.600 bad luck. You're out here like a bread and butter vigilant. Hell, yes, 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:06.440 you're bread and butter batman. You just running through. I'm 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:12.560 saved everybody from their own bad luck. Okay, And do 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:18.800 you do you feel like you have any evidence of 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:23.240 of that salvation working or or vice versa of people 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:25.640 having split poles in front of you before you knew 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:28.560 about this bread and butter remedy and the bad luck 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.400 kicking in. Have you seen bad luck and it worked 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:36.680 for anybody? Um? No. But here's the thing why I 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:39.960 say this, because I always say bread and butter, so 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:43.520 that saves people. You feel what I'm saying. So so 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:46.480 you're saying, you're saying it's so much that there's no 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.400 chance for the bad luck to find its way. Not 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:54.240 on my watch, not on my watch. If I've ever 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.520 seen anybody's like my sister, she's an asshole. I love her, 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.880 though she knows that I have this superstition. So if 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:03.680 we're walking together, she will not only split the pole, 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:07.360 she'll do circles around it and the whole time in 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:09.160 my mind and my bread and butter bred and buddy, 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:15.559 motherfucker you read so Yeah, I mean, honestly, it's it's 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:17.840 one of those like I do it so much now 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:19.800 it's I don't even think about it. I just I 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:23.320 see you happen and I'm going brandmother. Uh, let's let 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.840 me ask you this question, because this is this is 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:30.520 a conspiracy theory. You clearly hold her superstition. You clearly 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:34.560 hold do you feel that because you're saying your sister 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:37.839 ain't bought in on this, clear she thinks she doesn't 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.360 believe in it all. Are other members of your family 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.160 bought in? Are in this? Are you completely alone in this? 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:45.480 I think I'm completely alone. I feel like I spent 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:51.000 the most time as a child with our grandmother, right, 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:54.880 and so a lot of superstitions and the conspiracy theories 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:58.120 that I've grown to know as a kid, like I 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:02.760 learned through her. So you know, all of my other siblings, 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:04.640 they were in school, and they were well, they were 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:06.920 mostly in school. They live in their lives or whatever 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:09.120 the case, so a lot of the fears they had 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:11.480 already grown out of. So I was like I was 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.680 still stuck with them. So of course it's not gonna 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:17.040 affect her the way it affects me, because I'm the 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.080 last one. I have a different view from her. But 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:22.120 even though one doesn't mean much to her, and it's 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:24.719 never like I don't think she counts bad luck. I 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:26.320 don't think she pays attention to that. I don't think 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.600 any of my siblings like, damn I did that, Damn 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:30.920 I funked up. That's bad luck. Like I'm I would 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:34.400 be more of the person and like, damn, yeah, Glass, 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.000 that's me, you know what I mean. It's my I 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:40.840 am the oldest of five, and I think i'm further. 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.840 There is a bigger separation between me and my youngest 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:48.640 siblings than even you and your family. And there's a 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:52.920 big gap for y'all. But like, my youngest sibling is 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:56.240 twenty three years younger than I am. Okay, so it's 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.160 you know, it's a pretty massive gap. And similar to you, 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:03.400 my youngest sister, her best friend was our grandmother and 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:06.400 sort of remains to our grandmother. She just spent ship 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.400 tons of time hanging out with our grandmother, and because 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.959 of that, she's just a little old lady who you 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.000 know what I mean, Like she'd just be saying little 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:19.440 old ladyship that that truly none of us ever adopted, 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:22.040 you know what I mean. Like the other day we 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:26.040 were talking about liz though, like my sister was like, yeah, 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.000 I used to like Lizzo, but she don't. She can 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.080 take her clothes off too much for my taste. And 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:33.680 it's like, bitch, you're a lazy Why why is this 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:38.760 your personality? I'm very judgment so as a child as well, 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:43.440 so I agree with her. Like, no, no, I love Liz. 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:48.280 I actually see one of my role mothers. But we 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:51.679 all love Lizzo. That's not the point. My sister talks 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:54.720 weird and I'm concerned. Well, let me tell you something. 0:13:55.720 --> 0:14:02.120 That granny intuition is gonna is gonna keep her safe, honestly, 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:03.560 like a lot of I could have gotten to a 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:07.320 lot of heinous ship as a kid, but because I 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.640 spent a lot of time when my grandmother watching stories 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:13.000 and stuff. You know, you your your attention focuses on 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:16.319 different things. You have a lot of a lot more discernment. 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.920 You spend time with your elders versus like just kicking 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:21.400 it with your friends or something like that. So I 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:23.800 agree with her. I was I was a very judgmental 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:26.880 eleven year old. I I how and I see each other. 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.280 I think y'all would have vibed. I think y'all would 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:32.440 have found found some stuff to to rock with each other. 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:37.600 On that said, you're getting these sort of like superstitious 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:42.160 qualities from your grandmother. It was your grandmother especially superstitious. 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:45.440 Was she like constantly walking around and and telling y'all 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.880 to be wary of various you know, trickery out in 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:52.560 the world. No, we were just really rumbunctious. So she 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.920 she was like to go get a switch. It wasn't 0:14:56.600 --> 0:15:00.280 not more superstitious, just more like I said what I said. 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:02.720 If it didn't happen, I'm gonna thread to you, but 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:04.920 I'm not gonna hit you. I'm a thread like that. 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:08.560 So that's why I say I'm very cautious. I got you. 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:12.680 I always teeter on the line of death. You feel 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.280 what I'm saying, but I never go too far right. 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:19.080 You knew how to how to stir Granny up, but 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:21.240 you didn't upset her enough that she felt like she 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:25.240 had to pull that switch back. And and absolutely my 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:27.240 grandmother she was. She was dope to sale. She was 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.960 an amazing She's very funny, very intuitive, but not like 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.720 oh don't do that, baby like not like that. She 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:39.440 wasn't that right. No, I think I similarly have never 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:43.320 experienced that grandmother like that. Wasn't a grandma. I had 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.480 of like, oh my precious child, And I was like 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:51.880 I had a cigarette smoking in the tupockets, just had 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:53.520 opinions on the stuff, And you had to be like 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.880 a grandma. I guess I don't know. I ain't read 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.760 that one. Feel you on that my grandmother was okay, 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:06.040 So Grandma at least is introducing this idea to you 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:10.680 or introducing this sense of caution maybe sure, are you 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:14.400 then spreading the good word to your peers? Are you 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:19.080 Are you then going out in the world and being like, hey, y'all, hot, hot, 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:21.880 take here, stay away from splitting poles. Or is this 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:25.840 so ingrained in in the community you're already in that 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.040 you don't even need to spread this as news. It 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:31.400 just this understood because I'm gonna go with be right. 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:35.200 But also everybody not ready for the truth. You know, 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:38.920 sometimes when you see who times when you speak what 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:42.640 you know, people look at you like you crazy. Yeah, 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:46.000 So you'll keep certain things to yourself and you just 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.800 continue to bless them or pray for them in silence, 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.960 and you say bread and butter when you see them slippos. 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:54.640 You don't have to tell everybody because they don't need 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:58.240 to know. I got you. This bread and butter is 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:00.880 for those who want to be bread and had heard 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:04.959 and for those who don't. The good luck, best of luck. Absolutely, 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.720 just you know, hopefully I'm around when you s the pole, 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:12.520 because if now you've flucked. I got you. Let me 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.000 ask you this question because I know a little bit 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:17.119 about your family. I know you guys grew up in 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.560 a in a or at least at a time. We're 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.199 in a pretty Muslim household, right, Like you guys had 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:28.880 a Muslim upbringing. How does superstition connect or doesn't connect 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:33.680 to religion and religious practices? Do you think that they 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.560 can coincide or is it like jetting up against it 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.520 and you gotta like do your superstition under the bed 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:44.320 when nobody's looking your prayers out in front when everybody 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:50.560 is I think, okay, so we did. We were raised 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:55.080 in an Islamic home, right, but then once my my 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:58.160 parents divorced, it was kind of like the religion kind 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:01.600 of went with the marriage, right. So for me that 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:03.879 was six right. So anything that I learned from the 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:08.760 religion from six and before, maybe there will be some 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.760 sort of a connection, maybe sure, But after that I 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:19.040 feel that just came from more worldly experiences, less less 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:22.080 about religion. And if it is connected to any religion, 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:27.160 it's gonna be Christianity because everything comes from Christianity. Apparently. Yeah, 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:30.840 well listen again, and we don't we rarely use this twice. 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:36.480 But that's how they get you, because everything coming from Christianity, 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:40.800 particularly in this country, feels like part of the way 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:45.040 that like the weapons are created or at least the 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:48.600 level of control c needed for people. You keep people 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:52.400 in line by making sure that everything comes from Christianity 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:56.560 and or is connected back to Christianity. Absolutely, So any 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.239 of the you didn't do this if you don't do 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:01.200 that in the because I don't. I don't. I don't 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:03.720 know the Bible like that. But if you know, there's 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:05.440 a lot of dudes and don't in there, I'm sure 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:08.080 I know that part. And like, if you don't do 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:17.200 the dudes, you'll ask grass, thus conspiracies, thus split im polls. Yeah, 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.800 and then what's fascinating, And I'm glad you brought this 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:23.760 up because I do think I don't think that many 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:26.320 people do know the Bible right, like not in a 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:29.400 way that they at least pretend to or position themselves too. 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:32.760 And so it does become this weird game of like 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:39.040 everybody's individual interpretations of very specific chapters or documents or 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:44.000 quote as opposed to a full measured understanding of like 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:47.760 the entire book and its intentions and even the entire 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:50.600 book is a crazy concept because it's not like it 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:54.720 was written by like one dude, now, lady, it was 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:59.320 like curated by eighteen different people and then written by 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:02.639 a hundred different people when they compacted all of that together, 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:05.520 and one dude was like, YO, call that ship King James, 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:08.520 and then we were off to the races. See what 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:11.360 I'm saying you you you know more than that. Oh, 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:14.080 I just threw our random names. I don't know. Is 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:17.320 James a person? I think so? I think so. I 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:20.080 think there's a there's a King James somewhere in the 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:26.440 streets in history. So yeah, I mean, I think it's 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:30.119 a challenging game that we're playing, right of Like, I 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:33.679 guess it's not even that challenging there. There shouldn't be 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:38.480 that much challenge in mixing religion and superstition because they 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:42.959 all have a quality of just whatever is available, take it, 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:45.639 leave it, who cares. I think that was my hardest 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:49.040 thing about like growing up in religion was the fact 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:52.280 that my father would always tell us like, it's it's 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:56.080 your own interpretation. That's why it's important for you to 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:58.680 read it so you can have your own connection with 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:03.119 God or or whomever. I'm like, it's it's kind of 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:06.200 also in a in a weird way like the internet, 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:08.960 because I hear people saying like, you can go on 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:12.120 the internet to find anything to back up whatever your 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:14.280 agenda is. Yes, you know what I mean. Pastors go 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.080 in the Bible and use passages to get you to 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:22.040 pay their money. Yeah, right, yeah, So it's just yeah, 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:26.080 I don't know. I'm yeah, yeah, no, I think that's fair, 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:28.440 and I think in a in a in a beautiful way, 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:31.119 what you're saying is we all have an agenda. So 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:33.760 your agenda can be an agenda doesn't have to be 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:36.680 a bad word per se. It it can be a 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:41.280 word of of support and and love and spreading as 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:44.640 it as it was intended a good word. But there 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:47.920 are also people who have a negative agenda, and we 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:52.639 we only can see that employed after it's it's being 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:55.800 employed if we have the knowledge to go back and 0:21:55.840 --> 0:22:00.200 read these things and research these things. So it's it's 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:03.199 an odd game we're all playing of like figuring out, Okay, 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:08.080 does this is this splitting the pole actually bad luck? 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:11.200 Or is this like somebody trying to trick me into 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:15.359 behaving a certain way just so that they can reclaim 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:19.280 their power over me or the world or whatever it is. Damn, 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:27.760 look at you bringing that full You are good exactly, 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:31.320 wasn't hey? They packed me the big bucks and my 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:34.760 big bucks, I mean almost nothing to bake these connections. 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:38.040 So you know, I do my best. I do my 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:41.840 best to bring it all full circle. Well, kudos to 0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:44.879 you because you just you just didn't. I was like, 0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:46.840 I was up there and then you brought me back. 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:51.000 All right, Well we're back and we'll be back with 0:22:51.080 --> 0:23:04.159 more surry s and more, my mama told me. And 0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:16.639 we are back. Yeah, we're back here with mores, suri solo, 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:19.520 dame more. My mama told me. We're still talking about 0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:22.720 this superstition that if you split the pole, your black 0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:26.360 ass is gonna have bad luck. And and who knows 0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:29.480 if it's real or if this is something fictitious that 0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:32.600 an evil person cooked up. We're figuring it out. Do 0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:36.959 you Are you a particularly superstitious person across the board? 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:40.280 Are you like, hell yeah, I'm bought in on black cats, 0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:44.119 mirrors broken, all that stuff. Or is it limited to 0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:48.680 just splo to two pole splitting? All right, listen, when 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:51.280 I was in the sixth grade, okay, I was looking 0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:55.240 outside of my window and I've seen a black cat. Okay, 0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:59.639 it's just a random black cat. That same day, I 0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:03.080 went to school and got into my first fight ever. 0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:07.440 Isn't that crazy? Well, let me ask you this, were 0:24:07.520 --> 0:24:10.679 you about to fight that day anyway? And I was not, 0:24:10.920 --> 0:24:15.920 had no intentions on fighting any black child. This black 0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:18.919 cat didn't know him. Well, your ass was was already 0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:22.439 cracking your knuckles and putting on you on your cheeks. 0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:24.720 Let me tell you how I'm prepared I was for 0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:28.840 this fight. I did not bring any of asoline to school. 0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:33.080 I did not bring any extra hair ties, none of 0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:35.800 those things. I literally looked out the window was like, 0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:38.520 huh a black cat. And then when I when the 0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:40.920