1 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: I truly was like, no, white people don't split the 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: pole neither, but apply these motherfuckers are splitting the poles white. 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: They're holding hands and then if a pole comes, letting 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: hand go and read joining hands. That's how that works 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: in their culture. Yeah, no, we don't do that around here. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: We're grabbing hands going around that pole. My crop chips 7 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: in your man bears are racist money stuff. You can't 8 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: tell me. Yep, yep, yep. There it is. There it is. 9 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My 10 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: Mama Told Me, the podcast where we dive deep, deep 11 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: into the pockets of black expiracy theories and we finally 12 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 1: work to prove that Mr Cheeks is his father's name. 13 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: You could just call him Cheeves, you know, you could 14 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: just call him regular old Cheeks. You can lose the 15 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: formalities with old Mr Cheeks, just call him Cheeks. I'm 16 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: your host, Lankston Kerman. I'm happy to be here. It's 17 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: a goddamn holiday season. It's it's it's the time of 18 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: of love and giving and also still toxic conspiracy theories, 19 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: and that is what we're spreading here today. And my 20 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: guest today she's She's a joy. She is a person 21 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: I imagine who spreads both cheer and toxicity all in 22 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: a in a warm in a warm bubble. You know, 23 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: just a sweet because a fruitcake of of cheering toxicity. 24 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: She's fantastic. You know her from some great shows from 25 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: south Side Now on HBO Max Season two is available 26 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: and she is one of the breakout stars of that show. 27 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: She also has been seen Sherman Showcase, where you know 28 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: one of their most classic, most classic bits came out 29 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 1: of what was its dropping lover For Jesus goddamn a hit. 30 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: If they played it in the club, we'd all go on. 31 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: You know her, you love her? Please give it up 32 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: for my guest, Missouri Salahudine. What I've done, what's going on? 33 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. I'm hell exciting, man. I 34 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: was jealous and everybody get a nature and I was like, 35 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: what is excited? Is your turn to Let's let's get messy, 36 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: let's get toxic, let's do the whole thing. You came with, 37 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: uh an exciting one that I'm told you had. You 38 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: already had it in the bag. You were ready to 39 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: go as soon as you were asked. And this one's 40 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: exciting because I think, like some of them once we've 41 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: done in the past. It is not quite conspiracy theory. 42 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: It borders on superstition. But I imagine that those have 43 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: similar qualities depending on how you interpret them. But I 44 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: won't I won't delay this anymore. You said, my mama 45 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: told me it's bad luck to split poles. Yes, if 46 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: you split a pole, it is bad luck. And I 47 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: also have the remedy to reverse that bad luck. Immediately 48 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: after you split that pole. I do it every single time. Okay, 49 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: well before you give us the remedy, because we don't 50 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: even know what the fun this, this bad luck is 51 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: coming from yet. Don't don't jump the gun here, Zuri. 52 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: We got work to do, all right. That tell me 53 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: where this comes from? For you? Is this something you believe? 54 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: There's something you've always believed to tell me everything. Well, 55 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: here's the thing I've I've always been extremely cautionary. Right, So, 56 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: as a child, when you hear certain things, you know, 57 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: usually if you don't listen to what you're told, you 58 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: get like a spanking or something like, at least from 59 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: where I was from, you get a spanking or you 60 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: get a time out, right, So you don't even want 61 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: to find out what happens when you don't listen. So 62 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: I actually would never know if it's bad luck because 63 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: I immediately follow instructions on what to do if I 64 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: split said whole. But yeah, so apparently like if you 65 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: split a pole, it's really bad luck. And it's it's 66 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: a superstition, I'm assuming, but it's just something that I've 67 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: always heard. It's something that is so prevalent I feel 68 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: in the and sub black community culture now, like a 69 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: lot of people if you split a pole, like like, 70 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: what the hell is wrong with you? You know what 71 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, so I I love what you're saying. 72 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: There's two things that stand out to me in particular, 73 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: and I'll start with the first thing is I did 74 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: not know that you you see yourself as a very 75 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: cautious person, that you're you're a which isn't to say 76 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: that I don't think you're cautious. I don't know, but 77 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: I that's not what I would have presumed in the 78 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: time that we've spent together, that you're like a nervous 79 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: Oh no, this kind of person nervous just very aware, okay, 80 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: very awere minds be everywhere I be seeing maybe, and 81 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: feel free to tell me if this is off base. 82 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: But there are a lot of y'all. There's a you 83 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: got a big family, there's a how many of y'all 84 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: are there? All right? So if we break it down, 85 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: my mother and father were together for almost thirty years, 86 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: so they had six kids, and then my dad the 87 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: divorced and my dad got remarried and he had two 88 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: more kids. Yeah, so eight eight total kids that and 89 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: you were the baby of the original You're the baby, 90 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: which means that I imagine you saw the error in 91 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: so many of your siblings ways that maybe that's where 92 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: that caution sort of kicked in. Absolutely when you see it, 93 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: people get their ass You like, whoa brother? I don't 94 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: want none of that smoke. So differently, yeah, yeah, you know, 95 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: I don't put myself out there, but I'm very very cautious. 96 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: That's how I'm gonna say. Sure, you saw enough as 97 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: whip been flying, You're like, your girl ain't gotta go 98 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: through that fair enough, so so that at least introduces 99 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: a type of caution. Here's the other part that stands 100 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: out to me that frankly, it wasn't until I was 101 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: doing the research on this bad boy, that I really 102 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that this is a primarily black superstition. 103 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: That's that was revelatory. So my question then is where 104 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: do you think that comes from? Why is this a 105 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: particularly black conspiracy theory? Slavery? I feel like from slavery, Like, yeah, 106 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: but that that was a white a minute, that's how 107 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: they get that's how they get you. Sure you're you're 108 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: not wrong? Right? That absolutely it probably comes from slavery. 109 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: But are you are you saying like that there's a 110 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: specific thing in slavery work? Was there a master who 111 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: was like pole man? He beat the ship out of 112 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: you if you if you walk to certain ways, damn 113 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: poles again, Oh, don't go buy old pole master. He's no, 114 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: this is what I think. Now, this is I'm coming. 115 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: It's completely up. Okay, I love that. That's honestly what 116 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: we're here for. Imagine if you are trying to escape slavery, right, 117 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: and there's a buddy system, right, you don't want to 118 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: break that chain. You don't want to break that chain. 119 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: So like say, if there's a barrier or something, you 120 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: gotta go around it together because if you split up. 121 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: Oh I like that, that's a good answer. You know, uh, 122 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: in family, in family feud, when they go good, that's right. 123 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: The bell then survey says, you know, I want to 124 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: get I want to give you the full Steve Harvey 125 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: treatment because that was a good answer. So you're saying 126 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: that this is sort of like encouraging us in a 127 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: now metaphorical way, to stay united in our efforts towards 128 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: a certain goal or towards our freedom, our functionality, whatever 129 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: it may be. Well, when you put it like that, 130 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: yeah sounds really good. That's exactly what I mean. Yeah, 131 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 1: that's what I meant the whole time. Absolutely, you amire 132 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: reader present. You didn't have to repeat that exactly what 133 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: I said. Yeah, okay, that makes sense. So so this 134 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: pole represents an obstruction that might keep us from being united, 135 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: and therefore we don't split the poll because I would 136 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: be bad luck. Okay, I like. I like where we're 137 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: heading with this bad boy. So you're saying, let's let's 138 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: go back a little bit. You're saying that you're a 139 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: very cautio this person who rarely, if ever has has 140 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: split a pole. Have you ever split a pole in 141 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: your life? I think I'm pretty sure I used to 142 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: do it as a kid for fun without even thinking 143 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, it was something that I would hear 144 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: like as a child, like don't split a pole. We 145 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: always hear that. And then this one day I was 146 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: like I believe. I was in a bus stop with 147 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: a friend and this random black man out of nowhere 148 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's right. You don't want to get 149 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: that far. You don't get that far. No, no, we're 150 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: there now. You can remedy. It's the remedy. I want 151 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: to hear about this remedy. Right, So this random black man, 152 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, you shouldn't split poles, but if 153 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: you do, immediately say immediately say bread and butter. And 154 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: that's the fix. So anytime, and I don't not only 155 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: do I do it, like if I can do it, 156 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: but if I see anybody else do it, I'll say 157 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: it for them because I don't want them to have 158 00:09:53,559 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: bad luck. You're out here like a bread and butter vigilant. Hell, yes, 159 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: you're bread and butter batman. You just running through. I'm 160 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: saved everybody from their own bad luck. Okay, And do 161 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: you do you feel like you have any evidence of 162 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: of that salvation working or or vice versa of people 163 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: having split poles in front of you before you knew 164 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: about this bread and butter remedy and the bad luck 165 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: kicking in. Have you seen bad luck and it worked 166 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: for anybody? Um? No. But here's the thing why I 167 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: say this, because I always say bread and butter, so 168 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: that saves people. You feel what I'm saying. So so 169 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: you're saying, you're saying it's so much that there's no 170 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: chance for the bad luck to find its way. Not 171 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: on my watch, not on my watch. If I've ever 172 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: seen anybody's like my sister, she's an asshole. I love her, 173 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: though she knows that I have this superstition. So if 174 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: we're walking together, she will not only split the pole, 175 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: she'll do circles around it and the whole time in 176 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: my mind and my bread and butter bred and buddy, 177 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: motherfucker you read so Yeah, I mean, honestly, it's it's 178 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: one of those like I do it so much now 179 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: it's I don't even think about it. I just I 180 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: see you happen and I'm going brandmother. Uh, let's let 181 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: me ask you this question, because this is this is 182 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory. You clearly hold her superstition. You clearly 183 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: hold do you feel that because you're saying your sister 184 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 1: ain't bought in on this, clear she thinks she doesn't 185 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: believe in it all. Are other members of your family 186 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: bought in? Are in this? Are you completely alone in this? 187 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: I think I'm completely alone. I feel like I spent 188 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: the most time as a child with our grandmother, right, 189 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: and so a lot of superstitions and the conspiracy theories 190 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: that I've grown to know as a kid, like I 191 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: learned through her. So you know, all of my other siblings, 192 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: they were in school, and they were well, they were 193 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: mostly in school. They live in their lives or whatever 194 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: the case, so a lot of the fears they had 195 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: already grown out of. So I was like I was 196 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: still stuck with them. So of course it's not gonna 197 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: affect her the way it affects me, because I'm the 198 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: last one. I have a different view from her. But 199 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: even though one doesn't mean much to her, and it's 200 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 1: never like I don't think she counts bad luck. I 201 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: don't think she pays attention to that. I don't think 202 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: any of my siblings like, damn I did that, Damn 203 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: I funked up. That's bad luck. Like I'm I would 204 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: be more of the person and like, damn, yeah, Glass, 205 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: that's me, you know what I mean. It's my I 206 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: am the oldest of five, and I think i'm further. 207 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: There is a bigger separation between me and my youngest 208 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: siblings than even you and your family. And there's a 209 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: big gap for y'all. But like, my youngest sibling is 210 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: twenty three years younger than I am. Okay, so it's 211 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's a pretty massive gap. And similar to you, 212 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: my youngest sister, her best friend was our grandmother and 213 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: sort of remains to our grandmother. She just spent ship 214 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: tons of time hanging out with our grandmother, and because 215 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 1: of that, she's just a little old lady who you 216 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like she'd just be saying little 217 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: old ladyship that that truly none of us ever adopted, 218 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like the other day we 219 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: were talking about liz though, like my sister was like, yeah, 220 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: I used to like Lizzo, but she don't. She can 221 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: take her clothes off too much for my taste. And 222 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: it's like, bitch, you're a lazy Why why is this 223 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: your personality? I'm very judgment so as a child as well, 224 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: so I agree with her. Like, no, no, I love Liz. 225 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: I actually see one of my role mothers. But we 226 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: all love Lizzo. That's not the point. My sister talks 227 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: weird and I'm concerned. Well, let me tell you something. 228 00:13:55,720 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: That granny intuition is gonna is gonna keep her safe, honestly, 229 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: like a lot of I could have gotten to a 230 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: lot of heinous ship as a kid, but because I 231 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time when my grandmother watching stories 232 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: and stuff. You know, you your your attention focuses on 233 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 1: different things. You have a lot of a lot more discernment. 234 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: You spend time with your elders versus like just kicking 235 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: it with your friends or something like that. So I 236 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: agree with her. I was I was a very judgmental 237 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: eleven year old. I I how and I see each other. 238 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: I think y'all would have vibed. I think y'all would 239 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: have found found some stuff to to rock with each other. 240 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: On that said, you're getting these sort of like superstitious 241 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: qualities from your grandmother. It was your grandmother especially superstitious. 242 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: Was she like constantly walking around and and telling y'all 243 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: to be wary of various you know, trickery out in 244 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: the world. No, we were just really rumbunctious. So she 245 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: she was like to go get a switch. It wasn't 246 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: not more superstitious, just more like I said what I said. 247 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: If it didn't happen, I'm gonna thread to you, but 248 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hit you. I'm a thread like that. 249 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: So that's why I say I'm very cautious. I got you. 250 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: I always teeter on the line of death. You feel 251 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, but I never go too far right. 252 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: You knew how to how to stir Granny up, but 253 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: you didn't upset her enough that she felt like she 254 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: had to pull that switch back. And and absolutely my 255 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: grandmother she was. She was dope to sale. She was 256 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: an amazing She's very funny, very intuitive, but not like 257 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: oh don't do that, baby like not like that. She 258 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: wasn't that right. No, I think I similarly have never 259 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: experienced that grandmother like that. Wasn't a grandma. I had 260 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: of like, oh my precious child, And I was like 261 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: I had a cigarette smoking in the tupockets, just had 262 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: opinions on the stuff, And you had to be like 263 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: a grandma. I guess I don't know. I ain't read 264 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: that one. Feel you on that my grandmother was okay, 265 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: So Grandma at least is introducing this idea to you 266 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: or introducing this sense of caution maybe sure, are you 267 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: then spreading the good word to your peers? Are you 268 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: Are you then going out in the world and being like, hey, y'all, hot, hot, 269 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: take here, stay away from splitting poles. Or is this 270 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: so ingrained in in the community you're already in that 271 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: you don't even need to spread this as news. It 272 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: just this understood because I'm gonna go with be right. 273 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: But also everybody not ready for the truth. You know, 274 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: sometimes when you see who times when you speak what 275 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: you know, people look at you like you crazy. Yeah, 276 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: So you'll keep certain things to yourself and you just 277 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: continue to bless them or pray for them in silence, 278 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: and you say bread and butter when you see them slippos. 279 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: You don't have to tell everybody because they don't need 280 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: to know. I got you. This bread and butter is 281 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: for those who want to be bread and had heard 282 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,959 Speaker 1: and for those who don't. The good luck, best of luck. Absolutely, 283 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: just you know, hopefully I'm around when you s the pole, 284 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: because if now you've flucked. I got you. Let me 285 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: ask you this question because I know a little bit 286 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: about your family. I know you guys grew up in 287 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: a in a or at least at a time. We're 288 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 1: in a pretty Muslim household, right, Like you guys had 289 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: a Muslim upbringing. How does superstition connect or doesn't connect 290 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: to religion and religious practices? Do you think that they 291 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: can coincide or is it like jetting up against it 292 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: and you gotta like do your superstition under the bed 293 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: when nobody's looking your prayers out in front when everybody 294 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: is I think, okay, so we did. We were raised 295 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: in an Islamic home, right, but then once my my 296 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: parents divorced, it was kind of like the religion kind 297 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: of went with the marriage, right. So for me that 298 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: was six right. So anything that I learned from the 299 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: religion from six and before, maybe there will be some 300 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: sort of a connection, maybe sure, But after that I 301 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: feel that just came from more worldly experiences, less less 302 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: about religion. And if it is connected to any religion, 303 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: it's gonna be Christianity because everything comes from Christianity. Apparently. Yeah, 304 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: well listen again, and we don't we rarely use this twice. 305 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: But that's how they get you, because everything coming from Christianity, 306 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: particularly in this country, feels like part of the way 307 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: that like the weapons are created or at least the 308 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: level of control c needed for people. You keep people 309 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: in line by making sure that everything comes from Christianity 310 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: and or is connected back to Christianity. Absolutely, So any 311 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,239 Speaker 1: of the you didn't do this if you don't do 312 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: that in the because I don't. I don't. I don't 313 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: know the Bible like that. But if you know, there's 314 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: a lot of dudes and don't in there, I'm sure 315 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: I know that part. And like, if you don't do 316 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: the dudes, you'll ask grass, thus conspiracies, thus split im polls. Yeah, 317 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: and then what's fascinating, And I'm glad you brought this 318 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: up because I do think I don't think that many 319 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: people do know the Bible right, like not in a 320 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: way that they at least pretend to or position themselves too. 321 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: And so it does become this weird game of like 322 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: everybody's individual interpretations of very specific chapters or documents or 323 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: quote as opposed to a full measured understanding of like 324 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: the entire book and its intentions and even the entire 325 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: book is a crazy concept because it's not like it 326 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: was written by like one dude, now, lady, it was 327 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: like curated by eighteen different people and then written by 328 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: a hundred different people when they compacted all of that together, 329 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: and one dude was like, YO, call that ship King James, 330 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: and then we were off to the races. See what 331 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: I'm saying you you you know more than that. Oh, 332 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: I just threw our random names. I don't know. Is 333 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: James a person? I think so? I think so. I 334 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: think there's a there's a King James somewhere in the 335 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: streets in history. So yeah, I mean, I think it's 336 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: a challenging game that we're playing, right of Like, I 337 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: guess it's not even that challenging there. There shouldn't be 338 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: that much challenge in mixing religion and superstition because they 339 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,959 Speaker 1: all have a quality of just whatever is available, take it, 340 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: leave it, who cares. I think that was my hardest 341 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: thing about like growing up in religion was the fact 342 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: that my father would always tell us like, it's it's 343 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: your own interpretation. That's why it's important for you to 344 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: read it so you can have your own connection with 345 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: God or or whomever. I'm like, it's it's kind of 346 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: also in a in a weird way like the internet, 347 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: because I hear people saying like, you can go on 348 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: the internet to find anything to back up whatever your 349 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: agenda is. Yes, you know what I mean. Pastors go 350 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: in the Bible and use passages to get you to 351 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: pay their money. Yeah, right, yeah, So it's just yeah, 352 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm yeah, yeah, no, I think that's fair, 353 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: and I think in a in a in a beautiful way, 354 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: what you're saying is we all have an agenda. So 355 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: your agenda can be an agenda doesn't have to be 356 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: a bad word per se. It it can be a 357 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: word of of support and and love and spreading as 358 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 1: it as it was intended a good word. But there 359 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: are also people who have a negative agenda, and we 360 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: we only can see that employed after it's it's being 361 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: employed if we have the knowledge to go back and 362 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: read these things and research these things. So it's it's 363 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: an odd game we're all playing of like figuring out, Okay, 364 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: does this is this splitting the pole actually bad luck? 365 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: Or is this like somebody trying to trick me into 366 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: behaving a certain way just so that they can reclaim 367 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: their power over me or the world or whatever it is. Damn, 368 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: look at you bringing that full You are good exactly, 369 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: wasn't hey? They packed me the big bucks and my 370 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: big bucks, I mean almost nothing to bake these connections. 371 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: So you know, I do my best. I do my 372 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: best to bring it all full circle. Well, kudos to 373 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: you because you just you just didn't. I was like, 374 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: I was up there and then you brought me back. 375 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: All right, Well we're back and we'll be back with 376 00:22:51,080 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: more surry s and more, my mama told me. And 377 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: we are back. Yeah, we're back here with mores, suri solo, 378 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: dame more. My mama told me. We're still talking about 379 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: this superstition that if you split the pole, your black 380 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 1: ass is gonna have bad luck. And and who knows 381 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: if it's real or if this is something fictitious that 382 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: an evil person cooked up. We're figuring it out. Do 383 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,959 Speaker 1: you Are you a particularly superstitious person across the board? 384 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: Are you like, hell yeah, I'm bought in on black cats, 385 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: mirrors broken, all that stuff. Or is it limited to 386 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: just splo to two pole splitting? All right, listen, when 387 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: I was in the sixth grade, okay, I was looking 388 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: outside of my window and I've seen a black cat. Okay, 389 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: it's just a random black cat. That same day, I 390 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: went to school and got into my first fight ever. 391 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? Well, let me ask you this, were 392 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: you about to fight that day anyway? And I was not, 393 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: had no intentions on fighting any black child. This black 394 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 1: cat didn't know him. Well, your ass was was already 395 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: cracking your knuckles and putting on you on your cheeks. 396 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: Let me tell you how I'm prepared I was for 397 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: this fight. I did not bring any of asoline to school. 398 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: I did not bring any extra hair ties, none of 399 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: those things. I literally looked out the window was like, 400 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: huh a black cat. And then when I when the 401 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: rest of my day and went on like just and 402 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 1: didn't think twice of it. And then the next thing 403 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: I know, I'm getting into the fight with a girl. 404 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: So it's like, no, I think it's just putting poles 405 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 1: and black cats. Oh that's where you limited. And this 406 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 1: I imagine black cat justified by the fact that this 407 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: girl wanted to fight you after you saw this black cat. 408 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: And then the pull sweating because your grandmother gave you 409 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: this information. Well, here's the thing as far as the 410 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: black cat goes, right, don't, I don't. I don't want 411 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: to just discriminate against all black cats, because that's not 412 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: what we're doing here. Now. I thought you were doing 413 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: racist catch ship, but no, go ahead. I think that 414 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: that was more of a coincidence because I've seen black 415 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: cats since then and nothing bad happened, obviously, But I 416 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: was just saying that was a coincidence. That was a 417 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: coincidence that like I had looked out the window and 418 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: I was like huh and then boom there I am 419 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: beating girls up. Just damn Okay, so you want to fight, 420 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,959 Speaker 1: so it can't be that bad. It gave me that 421 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: bad luck. Now, if you got stocked and jumped and 422 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: had no didn't get no hits, then maybe black cats justified. 423 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 1: But it's not like black cats do you a favor? 424 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: The security girl asked my MoMA, like, hell, yo, who teacher, 425 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: what are you doing less in the backyard? And you 426 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: have to be like yeah, kind of yeah, kinda no. 427 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: But I think honestly, for me, really truly, all just 428 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: a side. It's just poles. I don't I'm not like 429 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: I got you. You're not uh super superstitious. Well, let's 430 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: let's dig into some of this research and maybe this 431 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: will make you feel more justified in your decision to 432 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: be superstitious with the pole. Maybe it won't. We'll we'll 433 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: find out. But like many superstitions, this one apparently takes 434 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: many forms. Right that that it isn't just what we've 435 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: talked about, but there are some other elements that live 436 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: in it. But I read some who believe that by 437 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: splitting the pole, and this is interesting because it kind 438 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: of connects to what you were saying about the slavery 439 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: of it all, or at least the the the connection 440 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: of it all is that there are some who believe 441 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 1: that by splitting the pole, you are severing the connection 442 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: with another person. That like, uh that that when you 443 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: walk with a person, you are sharing your spirit, your 444 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: your energy with that person. And then by splitting an object, 445 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: by allowing something to come in the middle of you, 446 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: you are severing that connection and that is why you 447 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: get bad luck. Specifically, they say the bad luck is 448 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: transferred to the younger person in that pair, right or 449 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 1: in that group, because they say that the younger person, 450 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 1: in being severed in that group is losing the wisdom 451 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 1: of the older person walking beside them. So you're cut 452 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: off from that wisdom and therefore you are facing bad luck. 453 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. You know I've been told that I was 454 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: psychic before. Now this is just I'm just gonna throw 455 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: you on a loop here. Oh, I had no idea 456 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: when I said what I said about and you look 457 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: it up and boom bout plow. They must have been 458 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: reading my mind or something. Yeah, these articles that were 459 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: written well before you said it must have been reading 460 00:27:52,840 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: your mind. I was feeding them ship. What is the ESP? Uh? Yeah, 461 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: I got you. So so let's let's go even further 462 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: into your ESP because almost all of the articles that 463 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: I read talk about the solution to splitting a pole 464 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: being the phrase bread and butter. You absolutely almost everything 465 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: I read said that if you split a pole, you 466 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: are meant to to say bread and butter. And that 467 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: got me asking the question, why the fuck are we 468 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: saying bread and butter in relation to split poles. It's 469 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: a very dumb thing to say theoretically about splitting poles. Now, 470 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: before I tell you what I found, I'm curious to know, 471 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: and this will be a good test of your ESP. 472 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: What do you think the reason is for saying bread 473 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: and butter. Okay, now when I I'm gonna I'm gonna 474 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: now call that man a prophet, that man, that random 475 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: man on the corner, sure, because oh this was like 476 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: I had been like six seven grade, right, So who 477 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: the hell knew that they were putting this information on 478 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: the internet all the way back then? Not him? That 479 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: man didn't even probably have a cell phone. We felt 480 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: the prophet James still, yeah, that's his name, Prophet James 481 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: off of and Western. Now as far as bread and 482 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: butter goes, all right, boom, here we go. I'm at 483 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: the break it down. So if it if it came 484 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: from slavery, right, what did slaves have to eat? Like, 485 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, what was something that they had the 486 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: most access to? Perhaps bread? Bread? Yeah, no, they had bread. 487 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if they had butter. They were probably 488 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: the ones we probably invented butter. Okay, I'm just saying 489 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: they gave us the cattle of like here, motherfucker, figure 490 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: it out. And so he was like all right then 491 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: and then we fingured it out. Okay, I like where 492 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: you're going. I like what you're doing. I don't know 493 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: if we have been but I probably made that up, 494 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: but I'm just saying. Unfortunately, what I'll tell you is 495 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: that your esp seems to be glitching a little bit 496 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: because that's not quite the answer that I found bread 497 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: and butter. But but I like where you were headed. 498 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: The concept of saying bread and butter derives from the 499 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: difficulty of separating butter from bread once it's been spread, right, 500 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: So so you can't unbuttered bread, you can't scrape butter 501 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: off of it. And so by saying bread and butter, 502 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: you re established the connection that you would have had 503 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: with that person had that pole not split. Y'all. Yeah, 504 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: see proper Jenny z that's he was. He had quick 505 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: information for you. He had to get on that buzz. 506 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: That makes sense because you can't you can't ring out 507 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: and render the butter. Not at all, Okay, I can 508 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: learn something. So Interestingly, a lot of the online discussions 509 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: seemed to suggest that this is especially and as we 510 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: mentioned a black superstition, which I didn't realize. I thought 511 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: white devils enjoyed the superstition too, and and I was wondering, like, Okay, 512 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: why specifically do we think black people are so into this? 513 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: And you Zuri once again we're correct that early nineteenth 514 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: century is basically the placement of the origins of this 515 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: and it's slavery and racism, and particularly it was again 516 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: sort of like a a metaphorical much in the way 517 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: that that so much of our language and and our 518 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: history is written through like these odd metaphors. It was 519 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,719 Speaker 1: slaves encouraging each other to stay connected with one another, 520 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: not necessarily in the in the don't get lost kind 521 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: of way, but omotional connection. And splitting the pole was 522 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: a metaphorical, uh, sort of like breaking of that connectivity. 523 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: I love that seat. You bring stuff to the table 524 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: and bam, it turns out to be gold. Yeah, and 525 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: in a in a nice way, it seems like the pole. 526 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: I can't imagine that slaves started by being like, don't 527 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: split a pole, right, But they probably started by being like, hey, 528 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: don't split that corn stock or that right, yeah, some 529 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: goofy slave ship. And now you know, I ain't have nothing, 530 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: don't split that hard slave clothing. But now we kind 531 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: of free black people can can come up with new 532 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: things to to encourage each other to stay connected. And 533 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: the pole became our contemporary interpretation of their old logic. 534 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Hmm okay. So one of the things that 535 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: got me excited about all of this, or one of 536 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:10,479 Speaker 1: the things that I found especially interesting is sort of 537 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: like this, this idea of of contemporary conspiracy theories born 538 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: of superstition, right, that superstition seems to be born of 539 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: people trying to make logic from the illogical. So, if 540 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: you are a slave, you're facing down something that truly 541 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: is illogical. You are being told you are not human 542 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: human beings when you know fully that you are human beings, 543 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: and you didn't even belong in this space in the 544 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: first place, and you're being told that by a bunch 545 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: of people who brought you here but also pretend like 546 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: they don't want you here. It's a fucking wild concept. 547 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: And so one of the ways that you remain human 548 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: and remain logical in this is to to create logic 549 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:58,959 Speaker 1: where logic doesn't exist absolutely. So that then took me 550 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: into the ways and this we already sort of touched 551 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: on this, but it got me interested in in uh. 552 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: At least, I found it interesting to think about how 553 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,439 Speaker 1: many of our religious practices could easily be labeled as 554 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: superstition or even conspiracy theory if they weren't so broadly accepted. 555 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Well, please, well, you know, like, uh, 556 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: for example, in some religious practices, we we drink the 557 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: blood of Jesus and we eat the bread which is 558 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 1: his body. That is, that is a metaphor that has 559 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: sort of been passed down from generation or generation. And 560 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: if it weren't for the fact that millions upon millions 561 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: of people agree to take part in this, it truly 562 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: would just be superstition. It would just be conspiracy theory 563 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: to have like eight people in a room eating some 564 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 1: wafers and calling it body when in fact it probably 565 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,720 Speaker 1: you know, because we've spread it so much, and because 566 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: it's been intentionally spread so much, we accepted as something 567 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: more substantial than that. Yeah, I think personally, what I 568 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: feel is that comes from just wanting to be safe. Right, 569 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 1: So a lot of the superstitions and conspiracies come from 570 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: just trying to literally not die, not die at death 571 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: that was not natural or was an accident. Right. And 572 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: so you you have again, like slavery, these people who 573 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,240 Speaker 1: are telling you what you what you just mentioned about, 574 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: you're not a human being and you're gonna do what 575 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 1: the fun I tell you to do, or I'm gonna 576 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: kill you. So you you come up with these different 577 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: survival methods to to to avoid that, and and in 578 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: a weird way, they catch on because it makes sense 579 00:35:54,080 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: for the masses to stay the masses. And that's that's 580 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: the part I think I'm especially interested in. Right. I 581 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: agree with you that these practices are about safety. You 582 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: said it yourself that the splitting of the poll is 583 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: really about you wanting to to be you were you were, 584 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: where you're You're cautious in these spaces, and so it's 585 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: just a way of keeping yourself protected and safe. And 586 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,839 Speaker 1: that is not dissimilar from the reasons that we pray 587 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: and we talk to a god who isn't physically there, 588 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: but we believe is there. That all makes sense, But 589 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 1: then the question becomes, what is the intention on the 590 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: part of the people who are spreading these things and 591 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: why do they do they want them spread? So the 592 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 1: splitting of the poll, we now understand, is coming from 593 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: a community that wants to keep other members of that 594 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: community safe. But the praying to a god that could 595 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 1: just be colonialism, right, That could just be a bunch 596 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: of white people being like, if we can get them 597 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: to get on their knees. When we tell them to 598 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 1: get on their knees and pray for what we tell 599 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: them to pray for, then we have their ear, we 600 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: have their their power, and we can control them for 601 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: generations to come. Yeah, that's true. I think that part 602 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,760 Speaker 1: for me is really tricky because you a lot of Christian, 603 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people in religion, right, they don't believe 604 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: that they're being controlled. It's almost like if you if 605 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,320 Speaker 1: you save, you buy somebody something right, and you're like, hey, 606 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: this is specifically for you to do this right, But 607 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 1: then they take it and they're like, oh my god, 608 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 1: yeah you're talking about I'm doing it for this, this, this, this, 609 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: and then they're successful because they created their own interpretation 610 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: from this. So that's I feel like that's why a 611 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: lot of people don't even feel like they're being controlled, 612 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 1: because they think that they are in control with what 613 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 1: they've been given. Yes, yeah, yeah, no, I completely agree. 614 00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: I think I think the the idea of and it's 615 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 1: it's funny because we're we're talking about these very nebulous words, 616 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,879 Speaker 1: right like control and freedom and all these things. They 617 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: don't actually mean anything unless you add a level of 618 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 1: subjectivity to it that that I have an interpretation of 619 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,839 Speaker 1: what freedom is which may not be your interpretation of 620 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,439 Speaker 1: what freedom is. And the same is true for all 621 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 1: of these religious beliefs, these superstitions, these conspiracy theories, that 622 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,720 Speaker 1: you go, well, if I just do this, then I'm free, 623 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: and someone else might be like, yeah, but nah, and 624 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,839 Speaker 1: I'm going to add my own little flavor to it, 625 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: and then I'll create my freedom, which actually requires you 626 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: to be trapped, but I'll be free. And that's it's 627 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: just all very complicated because we're none of it is 628 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: objective enough to let us all just be as as 629 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: loose and and at liberty as we would love. Yeah, 630 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,399 Speaker 1: I mean I personally, I think it's all a state 631 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 1: of arned, like you're as free as you believe you are, 632 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: mm hmm. And I like that, I do think in 633 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 1: a nice way. That is what what is comforting about religion, 634 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,800 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory, superstition is that it is about your own 635 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: state of mind more than it is about like your 636 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 1: measurement out in the world. That as long as I 637 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,280 Speaker 1: am talking to God in my head, then I'm talking 638 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,840 Speaker 1: to God. It doesn't matter if the world can prove 639 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: that God exists or prove that splitting these poles causes 640 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: bad luck or whatever it is. Yeah, there's absolutely no 641 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: proof of it. But let me tell you something. I've 642 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 1: never gotten bad. Let me splind the pole. But and 643 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,280 Speaker 1: you're beating bitches up at school, so you're doing great. 644 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: That was a one time. It didn't happen again. One 645 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 1: of the things that I decided to do sort of 646 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,959 Speaker 1: thinking about a lot of these conversations and and sort 647 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 1: of like this subject in general, is I wanted to 648 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,839 Speaker 1: read an article about the connection between superstition and religion, right, 649 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: And one of the things they said they said is 650 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 1: that there was actually like a very deep connection in 651 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 1: superstition and religion in colonial America, like in in America 652 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,359 Speaker 1: back when the Pilgrims were kicking around here. Right. One 653 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: of the things that they talked about is the fact 654 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: that in many ways, religious practices are really just superstitions 655 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:29,280 Speaker 1: that have been confirmed. Right, It's just superstition that they've 656 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 1: they've managed to actually prove to some extent, versus superstition 657 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 1: which remains a little more unproven out in the world. 658 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: I Mean, here's the thing. I feel like it's one 659 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 1: of those things where you had to be there to 660 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: see it. Yeah, and seeing it's how you know, I 661 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: many usually talking about millions, like a thousands, like how 662 00:40:51,120 --> 00:41:01,240 Speaker 1: far back, like colonial Americans? Like actually, in my mind 663 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 1: I was thinking of like the origin of the Bible, right, 664 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 1: but but in the in in that in essence, I 665 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: just feel like it's the greatest example I would probably 666 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,760 Speaker 1: be able to use. It's like the news, like the media, 667 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,399 Speaker 1: So you tripping fall, we talk about this, They talked 668 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 1: about this sometime side you're tripping fall, and then it 669 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: spirals into this a tragedy has struck in this neighborhood. 670 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 1: It's like, and think it really just tripped and failed, 671 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,839 Speaker 1: but you all talking about thirty people die. You feel 672 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 1: what I'm saying to me, conspiracy It's just a horrible 673 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 1: game of telephone, how it is. It's just like you 674 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,399 Speaker 1: you're telling someone one thing to try to prevent them, 675 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 1: and then they go and share, thinking that they're helping 676 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: someone else, and you're really just spreading bullshit. Yeah, and 677 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,319 Speaker 1: I think that's a that's a good articulation of what 678 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 1: I also think conspiracy theory can be. I think what 679 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 1: makes it more interesting is you play telephone as a kid. 680 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,440 Speaker 1: Obviously you're aware of the game. But what makes telephone 681 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,279 Speaker 1: interesting is somebody is making a choice at some point 682 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,840 Speaker 1: in the game to change the word they have to 683 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,919 Speaker 1: be because it's not a question of being able to 684 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 1: hear it. It's a question of what you wanted the 685 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: word to be or what you wanted the response from 686 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 1: that word to become. So somebody whispers the word like 687 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 1: tuberculosis and uh, you decide that like, you're gonna change 688 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,280 Speaker 1: it to torque on theosis. And now all of a sudden, 689 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: it's a different conversation when it makes it all the 690 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,320 Speaker 1: way to the end of the line. And that starts 691 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 1: with one individual. It starts with one person deciding to 692 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 1: interpret a thing in front of them. The tricky thing 693 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 1: about the world is that there's not there's never an 694 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,879 Speaker 1: end of the line. Yes, I like that, Yeah, yeah, 695 00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,359 Speaker 1: I think that's a good way. It's a haunting way 696 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 1: of going to break. But I think you're right. I 697 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,839 Speaker 1: think it really made me feel scared and sad when 698 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,879 Speaker 1: you when you said it. But I do think there's 699 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 1: a very dark truth of that that there is no 700 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 1: end of the line, because there's always people being born, 701 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,759 Speaker 1: there's always more people, and there's always more people to 702 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 1: misinterpret or or reinterpret the things in front of us. 703 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 1: And we really just have to be responsible for ourselves 704 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: and and do our best to feel happy and healthy 705 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 1: and whole no matter what. The telephone game happens to 706 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,600 Speaker 1: be full circle? Did that work? Did we make it 707 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 1: all the way back? Hell? Yeah, dog, all right, we're 708 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: gonna get out of here. We'll take another break. We'll 709 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 1: be back when more is very solid O day and more, 710 00:43:42,520 --> 00:44:02,439 Speaker 1: my mama told me. And we are back. Yeah, we're 711 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: back here with more Zuri Solo Dean More. My mama 712 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 1: told me. We're still talking about them. Goddamn superstitions, those 713 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:14,160 Speaker 1: those conspiracy theory splitting polls. Black people don't do it. 714 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 1: White people go crazy. That's that's what I say, split 715 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,880 Speaker 1: away white people. Well, what harm could it could it 716 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:27,359 Speaker 1: do to you? Better cut it out. Let's play games, Zury. 717 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,160 Speaker 1: We this is this is a fun game that I 718 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 1: cooked up especially for your episode. It's a new game 719 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:41,320 Speaker 1: called Stupid Stitious. You're stupid was nine plus ten You're stupid, 720 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 1: That's what I'm calling it. I think I said stupid 721 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,960 Speaker 1: stititions at one point to you, but we'll go with 722 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,920 Speaker 1: stupid stitious. What I will do zuri is. I'm going 723 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,440 Speaker 1: to introduce to you a number of superstitions from around 724 00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 1: the world, some some very worldly international superstitions. What I 725 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:01,799 Speaker 1: would love for you to do is just give your 726 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 1: takes on whether or not you think these things are 727 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,920 Speaker 1: are legit, if there's any legitimacy to them, if you 728 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,879 Speaker 1: would if you personally plan to adopt them into your 729 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:15,279 Speaker 1: own practices. I just want your takes cool. So let's 730 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 1: start with a fun one. The first one comes from Syria. 731 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,759 Speaker 1: In Syria, apparently they banned yo yo's in three over 732 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 1: fear that they would cause a drought. Your thoughts, all right, 733 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:34,120 Speaker 1: let me just unpractice, take your time. The logics all there, 734 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:40,879 Speaker 1: there's no there's no rush Syria. It's already hot. And 735 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:46,080 Speaker 1: uh some about this motion right here perhaps causes the 736 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:55,160 Speaker 1: shift in the wind. Okay, Thus I had nothing after that. 737 00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean maybe if they think like 738 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,279 Speaker 1: everybody and see area has a yo yo and they're 739 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 1: all do a miss, they're working up with the wind, 740 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:09,320 Speaker 1: which works up with like the irrigation. Yeah, you know, maybe, 741 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. I you know, it makes me think 742 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,440 Speaker 1: that maybe much like what we were talking about, it 743 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,560 Speaker 1: just was a in n three yo yo's were new 744 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,359 Speaker 1: and and maybe they were facing They probably weren't new, 745 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,680 Speaker 1: but they probably were new earth than they are today, 746 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,920 Speaker 1: and maybe they were facing down a nasty drought and 747 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,320 Speaker 1: they were like you knew, yo yo niggas are sucking 748 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,839 Speaker 1: up our chances at a good rain, and I we ain't. 749 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,480 Speaker 1: We we can't risk it. We have to be cautious 750 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,560 Speaker 1: to get rid of the yo yo's and maybe we'll 751 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,319 Speaker 1: be Okay, Yeah, that one, I'm gonna go ahead and 752 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,799 Speaker 1: call it a superstition. Yeah, that's a stupid stition for you. 753 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 1: I respect that choice. Okay, here's here's a different one 754 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,240 Speaker 1: that I'm interested to hear your thoughts on whistling indoors. 755 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 1: Apparently whistling while you work maybe an issue in Lithuania, 756 00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:00,120 Speaker 1: where it is forbidden to whistle indoors. They do not 757 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:06,719 Speaker 1: let you whistle indoors and Lithuania. Okay, all right, Lithuania, yep, 758 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,080 Speaker 1: I see a len Okay, oh sorry, sorry, before you 759 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,400 Speaker 1: go crazy on this, let me I I need to 760 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,120 Speaker 1: finish the last piece that I this is my mistake. 761 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,200 Speaker 1: But the reason they don't want you whistling indoors is 762 00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 1: because they believe the noise will summon demons. Have you 763 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 1: ever heard that one whistle tune to go the do 764 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,439 Speaker 1: do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do do do? 765 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,200 Speaker 1: You never heard that. I've never heard what you're trying 766 00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:41,880 Speaker 1: to do in my life. Probably have you seen Bigelow? Okay, 767 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 1: you remember when the killer was whistling that too? It 768 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,680 Speaker 1: was extremely demonic. Yes, I want to agree with Lithuania. 769 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:55,280 Speaker 1: That's that they're whistling summons the devil. Okay, So whistling 770 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,920 Speaker 1: in general for you feels eerie and and scary and demonic, 771 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,640 Speaker 1: and you're not You prefer not to have that happening 772 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:08,799 Speaker 1: because I can't do it, and I am no, no, no, 773 00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 1: I am of God. And so there's a reason clearly 774 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,920 Speaker 1: why I can't listen. The Lord wouldn't curse you with 775 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,520 Speaker 1: no whistlings, and the rest of us we're going to hell. 776 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:27,480 Speaker 1: I don't do the door. Okay, Well, Lithuania, you're bought in, 777 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,239 Speaker 1: you you. It sounds like you'll do well in Lithuania. 778 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,920 Speaker 1: You will not do as well in Syria. But that's okay. 779 00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,680 Speaker 1: I got to have my yo yo. You've got to 780 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,920 Speaker 1: have you yo yo. Okay, here's another one. In Mexico, 781 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,600 Speaker 1: they believe that it is bad luck to place two 782 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,640 Speaker 1: mirrors opposite each other, that the infinite reflections that are 783 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,959 Speaker 1: created by these two, these two mirrors facing each other 784 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:59,000 Speaker 1: open a doorway to the devil. M M. I've actually 785 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,600 Speaker 1: heard that before, or um, not not that it was Mexican, 786 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,520 Speaker 1: but like facing two mirrors like this together. Yeah, yeah, 787 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,560 Speaker 1: I've heard that before that it creates like a portal 788 00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,279 Speaker 1: for spirits to like trends like coming in and out. 789 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,200 Speaker 1: I got you so and when you heard that, you 790 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,239 Speaker 1: were like, okay, cool, never doing that, or you were like, no, 791 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,040 Speaker 1: I'm about to put some mirrors next to each other 792 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,120 Speaker 1: and see what happens. Well, honestly, okay, do you remember, 793 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,480 Speaker 1: like they probably still have these in some bathrooms, like 794 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,160 Speaker 1: in the bathrooms where you have like the little cabinets 795 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,000 Speaker 1: and it has like the three different mirridors. I used 796 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,439 Speaker 1: to put the motherfucker's together and put my head in. Yeah, 797 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,880 Speaker 1: your face in. Yeah, you can see you all the 798 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,839 Speaker 1: way down the way, pretty sexty. This is the three 799 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:50,800 Speaker 1: sixty situation of my head. So yeah, Mexico, yeah, Mexico lost, 800 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,920 Speaker 1: and no devil's back here. That's why I give myself 801 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:59,400 Speaker 1: a haircut in eighth grade. See what I'm saying. Okay, 802 00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,560 Speaker 1: I talked about haircuts. Here's a fun one. In India. 803 00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,640 Speaker 1: Apparently they believe that you should not get a haircut 804 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,840 Speaker 1: on a Tuesday or it will cause bad luck. Well, 805 00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:15,480 Speaker 1: saying is how my other hair comes from India. All Right, 806 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:20,839 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead. I'm gonna go ahead and agree. 807 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,799 Speaker 1: I wanna sunk up the flop. So god, you you're like, 808 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,239 Speaker 1: if that's what the Indian people believe, then then I 809 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,560 Speaker 1: support their work and I'm not in the product in 810 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,520 Speaker 1: the mail and the instructions read don't do this. I'm 811 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,640 Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and listen to right. Let me ask 812 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,200 Speaker 1: you this about this Tuesday ship. Are you worried that 813 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,439 Speaker 1: some of the hair that you've gotten from India might 814 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:49,680 Speaker 1: be Tuesday as hair and therefore less quality. Now, if 815 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,880 Speaker 1: you know anything about the hair that they do sell, 816 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,680 Speaker 1: most of it is from natural ritual, So I highly 817 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:02,240 Speaker 1: doubt it was cut on a Tuesday. How really got it? Damn? Yeah, 818 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,240 Speaker 1: I got you. So they they're doing something a little 819 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:10,120 Speaker 1: more substantial in the cutting and therefore probably not doing 820 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,799 Speaker 1: it on the one day a week that you ain't 821 00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,200 Speaker 1: supposed to do that. Ship. It's a sacred thing. Why 822 00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:18,839 Speaker 1: would you? Yeah, alright, respect, Okay, last one, This is 823 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,680 Speaker 1: the last one I'll hit you with. In Spain, apparently, 824 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,560 Speaker 1: instead of kissing someone at midnight to celebrate the new year, 825 00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,600 Speaker 1: they are encouraged to eat twelve grapes one after the 826 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,680 Speaker 1: other for good luck. You eat grapes on the new 827 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,840 Speaker 1: year for good luck? Um, I mean we black eyed peas? 828 00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,480 Speaker 1: Why we If we could have black eyed peas, they 829 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:45,279 Speaker 1: can have grapes. I don't. I don't see anything wrong 830 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,120 Speaker 1: with that, okay, because I don't get the black eyed 831 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,799 Speaker 1: peas things, all right, nor do I all right, so 832 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 1: you're just like, look, if there's a version that exists 833 00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,840 Speaker 1: for us, then then there's probably a version that exists 834 00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,319 Speaker 1: for other people. And apparently grapes the black eyed pas 835 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,920 Speaker 1: is a one for one between black Americans and Spanish kissers, 836 00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:12,799 Speaker 1: I guess, or people out in the world. Great, all right, well, Zuri, 837 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,840 Speaker 1: we did it. We the episode is over. We nailed it. 838 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,879 Speaker 1: Could you tell the people at home where they can 839 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,600 Speaker 1: find you on what cool ship you have going on? Yeah? 840 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,719 Speaker 1: You can find me on Instagram and Twitter and TikTok 841 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,200 Speaker 1: and snapchat all z u R I underscore l u 842 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,759 Speaker 1: V Suri loves Yeah. And then like you know of 843 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,279 Speaker 1: coming Surman Showcase Season two is coming out, so I'll 844 00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,239 Speaker 1: be looking for that. Hey, look out for Sherman Showcase. 845 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,880 Speaker 1: Follow Zuri online and as always you can follow me 846 00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,839 Speaker 1: A Lanks and Kerman and uh, feel free to subscribe 847 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:49,200 Speaker 1: to the podcast right comments, do that bullshit that that 848 00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,320 Speaker 1: you're supposed to do to support this, this goddamn ship 849 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,200 Speaker 1: show so that we can keep the party going. Uh 850 00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,040 Speaker 1: And and if you want to send us drips, you 851 00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,200 Speaker 1: can send them to my Mama pod at gmail dot com. 852 00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,320 Speaker 1: We would love to hear from you, not just drops, 853 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,840 Speaker 1: your conspiracy theories, your opinions, your hate speech. Send it 854 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,040 Speaker 1: all to my mama pot at gmail dot com. Otherwise, 855 00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:19,840 Speaker 1: by bitch by y'all, my crop chips in your pans 856 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:32,600 Speaker 1: as are racist. Also asty money, very turney stuff. I 857 00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:33,480 Speaker 1: can't tell me