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<v Speaker 1>Welcomed, unobscured a production of I Heart Radio and Aaron Minky.

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<v Speaker 1>It was six blocks from Amy's house to the publishing office.

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<v Speaker 1>In the morning, she and Isaac would even walk together.

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<v Speaker 1>His pharmacy was only one block farther. I like to

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<v Speaker 1>picture them walking side by side, Isaac's neatly trim beard

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<v Speaker 1>worn in what today might be called an Amish style,

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<v Speaker 1>and with a winter as cold as the one in

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<v Speaker 1>February of eighty eight, Amy no doubt would have worn

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<v Speaker 1>a heavy rap when they reached Buffalo Street, today's main

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<v Speaker 1>street in Rochester. We might imagine Amy holding a gloved

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<v Speaker 1>hand up to wave. As Isaac continued on to open

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<v Speaker 1>the pharmacy, where he filled prescriptions from Rochester's doctors and

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<v Speaker 1>sold oils, paints, dyes, salves, and various instruments. Amy would

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<v Speaker 1>have stepped into the publishing office for the North Star.

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<v Speaker 1>There was plenty of work to do. Through the doors,

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<v Speaker 1>Amy passed the office where Frederick Douglas and his business

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<v Speaker 1>partner William c Nell were preparing the print the next issue.

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<v Speaker 1>The summer before, Douglas had traveled west through Pennsylvania as

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<v Speaker 1>far as Ohio, where he had been mocked attacked and

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<v Speaker 1>run off stages by white mobs. But across the Midwest

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<v Speaker 1>he had also been welcomed by black communities, and Douglas

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<v Speaker 1>knew he needed to continue supporting them. Rather than retreat

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<v Speaker 1>to Boston, Douglas moved to Rochester, the point between the

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<v Speaker 1>coast and the frontier where the message could fly out

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<v Speaker 1>to a nation. When Amy stepped into the printing office,

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<v Speaker 1>she could have asked Douglas how his family was doing.

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<v Speaker 1>His wife, Anna had just arrived in Rochester with their

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<v Speaker 1>three boys. Isaac had even helped them move into their

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<v Speaker 1>small apartment downtown, where they would live until they found

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<v Speaker 1>a suitable house. After a chat with Frederick, Amy most

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<v Speaker 1>likely climbed the stairs to the second floor and unlocked

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<v Speaker 1>the new reading Room, an office for the Western New

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<v Speaker 1>York Antislavery Society. It was part library, part consignment shop,

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<v Speaker 1>where Amy worked with friends to plan meetings, supply local families,

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<v Speaker 1>and raise funds for anti slavery projects. Because she supported

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<v Speaker 1>Frederick's cause at every turn, and he supported hers as well.

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<v Speaker 1>You see, while Amy was working with the Anti Slavery Society,

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<v Speaker 1>she was also on the cusp of something new. She

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<v Speaker 1>and her friends like Lucretia Mott and Elizabeth County Stanton

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<v Speaker 1>were about to put out a call for a convention

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<v Speaker 1>to discuss equal rights for women. Frederick Douglas would immediately

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<v Speaker 1>print their announcement in The North Star. From the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>the papers front page carried the declaration that right is

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<v Speaker 1>of no sex, truth is of no color. God is

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<v Speaker 1>the father of us all. The North Star embodied the

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<v Speaker 1>fusion of movements at the center of Rochester life, and

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<v Speaker 1>Frederick Douglas and Amy Post both knew that they were

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<v Speaker 1>working at an amazing time. Thanks in no small part

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<v Speaker 1>to their efforts, the year would leave its mark on history.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's historian Molly McGarry. In the year alone, revolutions ignited

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<v Speaker 1>across the world, from France to Brazil, but also from

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<v Speaker 1>Sicily to the Austrian Empire, and revolutions swept the globe

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<v Speaker 1>during that year. Also in Karl Marx and Frederick Engels

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<v Speaker 1>published the Communist Manifesto, opening with the line a specter

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<v Speaker 1>is haunting Europe, the specter of communism. And in that

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<v Speaker 1>same year, two young girls heard communicates from a very

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<v Speaker 1>different sort of specter, giving rise to great different revolution.

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<v Speaker 1>Had been a year full of surprises for many people,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was still one more on its way. This

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<v Speaker 1>is unobscured. I'm Aaron Mankey. It started as a small

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<v Speaker 1>frontier village. In fact, the majority of its first settlers

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<v Speaker 1>were black when it was founded by Nathaniel Rochester and

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<v Speaker 1>the twelve people he kept in slavery. In fact, less

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<v Speaker 1>than two decades before Amy and Isaac arrived, Rochester had

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<v Speaker 1>been home to just over one thousand people, surrounded by

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<v Speaker 1>fertile land. Though Rochester was a bread basket, grain mills

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<v Speaker 1>popped up in clouds of fresh flower, and by eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty four, when it was officially chartered as a city,

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<v Speaker 1>Rochester had become home to thirteen thousand people. The city

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<v Speaker 1>was booming, and that was due in large part to

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<v Speaker 1>the Erie Canal. Here's author and journalist Nancy Ruben Stewart

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<v Speaker 1>Upstate New York in particular, it was a very prosperous

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<v Speaker 1>area because the every canal had opened, and so all

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<v Speaker 1>the produce and all the furs and all kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>other things that were coming from the north could now

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<v Speaker 1>come down through the canal into the Hudson and down

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<v Speaker 1>to New York City. The farmland in the region made

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<v Speaker 1>it ideal for communities like the Quakers who wanted a

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<v Speaker 1>place where they could live on their own. So as

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<v Speaker 1>Rochester shipped out new tons of flower, the radical ideas

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<v Speaker 1>growing in that same soil traveled with them. Here's Molly

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<v Speaker 1>McGarry once again. Douglas's North Star Circle in Rochester was

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<v Speaker 1>a key center in a global movement for freedom, and

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<v Speaker 1>that newspaper is crucially important. Douglass organizing was important, but

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<v Speaker 1>there are also figures like Harriet Jacobs, who went on

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<v Speaker 1>to write Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl

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<v Speaker 1>who landed in Rochester. At the same time, while Isaac

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<v Speaker 1>and Amy worked with Frederick Douglas at home in Rochester,

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<v Speaker 1>Isaac's brother served as the North Stars reporter on Long Island.

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<v Speaker 1>Through growing networks of friends, family, and correspondence, the cities

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<v Speaker 1>around the Northeastern United States were becoming more and more connected.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, boomtowns don't make for the most stable homes.

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<v Speaker 1>When communities along the Erie Canal swelled with the ranks

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<v Speaker 1>of new residents moving inland, it made life around Rochester

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<v Speaker 1>difficult for families who wanted to establish farms and make

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<v Speaker 1>a life for themselves. People like John and his wife Margaret.

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<v Speaker 1>When they put down stakes in the eighteen twenties, John

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<v Speaker 1>fell in with a crowd of other men who arrived

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<v Speaker 1>hoping to strike it rich, and he picked up their

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<v Speaker 1>habits too, liquor cards, gambling on horse races. What little

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<v Speaker 1>money John and Margaret brought with them vanished into the night,

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<v Speaker 1>and soon enough John along with it. Now abandoned, Margaret

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<v Speaker 1>had retreated to Rochester, where her sister offered her a

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<v Speaker 1>room to stay in. She did her best to raise

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<v Speaker 1>four children without their father, including the oldest Leah, and

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<v Speaker 1>a son named David, but it was a hard life.

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<v Speaker 1>Margaret's heart broke as Leah was entrapped by an older

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<v Speaker 1>man when she was just fourteen. He only stayed long

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<v Speaker 1>enough for Leah to take his last name Fish and

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<v Speaker 1>give birth to their daughter, before he tossed Leah aside

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<v Speaker 1>and traveled farther west. Eventually, John returned, arriving in town,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had a new outlook on life. A revival

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<v Speaker 1>preacher had swept through the countryside, and it brought the

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<v Speaker 1>man to his knees. He rejoined his wife and children

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<v Speaker 1>in Rochester, determined to rekindle their dream of farming their

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<v Speaker 1>own plot of land. David and Leah stayed behind in

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<v Speaker 1>Rochester while John and Maggie crossed Lake Ontario into Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>This time, John was determined not to get sidetracked, and

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<v Speaker 1>they started that new farm, but they started a new

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<v Speaker 1>family as well. Margaret gave birth to two more daughters

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighteen thirties, who they named Maggie and Kate.

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<v Speaker 1>But the fire of John his new religious devotion couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>thaw that cold earth. After scraping out what they could

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<v Speaker 1>from the Canadian soil and missing their older children, they

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<v Speaker 1>returned to Rochester's embrace in eighteen forty four. That's when

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<v Speaker 1>they found themselves welcomed by Isaac and Amy Post, who

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<v Speaker 1>hosted them on Sophia Street. The families became fast friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Maggie and Kate also got to know their older sister, Leah,

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<v Speaker 1>and Maggie bonded with Amy Post. The older Quaker woman

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<v Speaker 1>working so hard to bring a new world into being,

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<v Speaker 1>somehow found time in the midst of organizing to offer

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<v Speaker 1>attention to the younger daughters of an unstable family. For

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<v Speaker 1>a while, John was able to support the family as

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<v Speaker 1>a blacksmith, but the lure of working the land continued

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<v Speaker 1>to call, and by the mid eighteen forties, John and

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<v Speaker 1>Margaret's son, David, was a man with a family of

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<v Speaker 1>his own. After growing up in the city with Margaret,

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<v Speaker 1>he'd inherited a farm from an uncle in Arcadia, New York,

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually moved there with his wife and three children.

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<v Speaker 1>A host of relatives live within only a few miles.

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<v Speaker 1>A new center of gravity for the family began to form,

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<v Speaker 1>and it drew John and Margaret out into the countryside

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<v Speaker 1>more and more often. It did, not, however, have the

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<v Speaker 1>same appeal for young Maggie and Kate. During one visit

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen forty seven, John and Margaret sat down with

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<v Speaker 1>David to discuss life in the country. Despite all their setbacks,

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<v Speaker 1>their eyes still lit up when they thought about living

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<v Speaker 1>in the rolling pastures. From her chair in the corner,

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<v Speaker 1>Maggie saw how much this dream meant to her father,

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<v Speaker 1>but for her it only despired creeping dread those rolling hills.

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<v Speaker 1>To her, they were crushingly dull. To her friend and mentor,

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<v Speaker 1>Amy Post. Maggie eventually wrote, I love the noise and

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<v Speaker 1>confusion of the city. I am like the woman who

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<v Speaker 1>becomes so accustomed to her husband snoring that I could

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<v Speaker 1>not go to sleep without it. If their mother saw

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<v Speaker 1>any of Leah in fourteen year old Maggie, the girl's

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<v Speaker 1>talk of husbands would only have made Margaret more determined

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<v Speaker 1>and to move the family out of the city. So

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<v Speaker 1>Maggie must have been upset when David told the family

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<v Speaker 1>that the Hides, who owned most of the land around

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<v Speaker 1>David's farm, needed a new blacksmith. In December of that year,

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<v Speaker 1>John and Margaret packed up fourteen year old Maggie and

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<v Speaker 1>ten year old Kate, alongside what furniture and tools they had,

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<v Speaker 1>and took a wagon out on Wayne country Road, and

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<v Speaker 1>in doing so, they left the Posts and their circle

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<v Speaker 1>of radical friends behind for now, at least. It was

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<v Speaker 1>already winter. There was plenty of land on David's farm

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<v Speaker 1>to build a second house for his parents, but there

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<v Speaker 1>just wasn't time. So John and Margaret made a fateful decision.

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<v Speaker 1>They rented a little house from the Hides to wait

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<v Speaker 1>out the season. It was hardly more than a single

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<v Speaker 1>story box, but it would suit the family's needs for

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<v Speaker 1>the few cold months. John liked that it was conveniently

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<v Speaker 1>located near the Hides Forge and the rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>family appreciated the two stone is that would keep the

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<v Speaker 1>house warm. There was even a basement and attic and

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<v Speaker 1>a buttery off the kitchen, which meant a few nooks

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<v Speaker 1>and crannies to keep their belongings out from underfoot while

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<v Speaker 1>they hunkered down under the New York's nose. But the

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<v Speaker 1>girls there were also new chores, hauling water and wood,

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<v Speaker 1>helping their parents clear the snow. Other than that, though,

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<v Speaker 1>there was very little else for a teenager like Maggie

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<v Speaker 1>to do besides attend the local Methodist Episcopal church and

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<v Speaker 1>the red clabored schoolhouse in the neighborhood. Those long cold

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<v Speaker 1>days left her dreaming of city life, dreaming of some company.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Nancy Stewart once again. The whole family had come

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<v Speaker 1>from Rochester. So you have this fifteen year old board

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<v Speaker 1>Maggie Fox. She wants to be back in Rochester. She's

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<v Speaker 1>a teenager, obviously, uh and Katie who will a little

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<v Speaker 1>sister will follow her. And the mother is so superstitious,

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<v Speaker 1>and they'd live in this old farmhouse and they start

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about, well, who lived there before? People lived here before?

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<v Speaker 1>Did people die here before? Maggie's loneliness Maybe why John

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<v Speaker 1>and Margaret decided to add one more to their household.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometime after they arrived, they brought Leah's teenage daughter to

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<v Speaker 1>come stay with them in Hydesville. She was only slightly

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<v Speaker 1>older than Maggie herself, so maybe she could keep the

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<v Speaker 1>girls occupied. And it was on one of those first

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<v Speaker 1>nights during their cousins stay in Hydesville that the Fox

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<v Speaker 1>family first heard the strange sounds. Creaking eaves and running

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<v Speaker 1>mice were all sounds they would have been familiar with,

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<v Speaker 1>but the sounds they began to hear at night were

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<v Speaker 1>something different, something strange that they couldn't quite place. A

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<v Speaker 1>series of thumps in the room where the family would

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<v Speaker 1>lay down to sleep, almost as if someone was walking around.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the sounds moved into the wall. It was as

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<v Speaker 1>if someone was standing beside the beds where they slept,

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<v Speaker 1>knocking on the bed frame with an invisible hand. At

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<v Speaker 1>one point, while trying to figure out where the sounds

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<v Speaker 1>were coming from, John stood outside the bedroom while Margaret

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<v Speaker 1>stood inside. Suddenly the knocks rang out again, this time

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<v Speaker 1>from the door between them. A few months later, Maggie

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<v Speaker 1>would tell a lawyer that on the first night they

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<v Speaker 1>heard the rapping, they all got up, lit candles and

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<v Speaker 1>searched the house from top to bottom. The noise continued

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<v Speaker 1>while they were hunting, always coming from the same place

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<v Speaker 1>in the bedroom. It wasn't loud, but it was as

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<v Speaker 1>real as anything she'd ever heard. It shook the beds

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<v Speaker 1>and chairs too. In fact, when she held her hands

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<v Speaker 1>against the bed frame, she said, there was a feeling

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<v Speaker 1>of what she described as tremulous motion. But that was

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<v Speaker 1>only the beginning. In mid March, Maggie and Kate said

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<v Speaker 1>goodbye to their cousin, who went back to her mother,

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<v Speaker 1>Leah in the city. Just before things exploded into action

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<v Speaker 1>on the night of Friday, March thirty one. Margaret said

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<v Speaker 1>that the family was determined to get a good night's rest,

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<v Speaker 1>so they decided to go to bed early. She was

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<v Speaker 1>anxious about the strange noises, but she set her jaw

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<v Speaker 1>and pulled up the covers. They were all still awake

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<v Speaker 1>when the noises began. At Margaret later described it. Kate

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<v Speaker 1>was the first to sit up in bed, and she

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<v Speaker 1>decided that when the knocks came, she would snap her

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<v Speaker 1>fingers in response. Come they did, and right on cue,

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<v Speaker 1>Kate snapped her fingers then, and this is what began

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<v Speaker 1>to really startle Margaret, the rapping sounds replied. Maggie sat

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<v Speaker 1>up too, and said out loud into the air, now

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<v Speaker 1>do as I do, count one, two, three, four, clapping along.

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<v Speaker 1>In time, the knocking sounds obeyed her, which left Maggie

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<v Speaker 1>frozen by fear and the girls silent. And that's when

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<v Speaker 1>their mother took over. She asked aloud that if the

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<v Speaker 1>sound was a spirit, it should knock twice. After a breath,

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<v Speaker 1>two knocks rang out, with the girls silent in the

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<v Speaker 1>opposite bed, Margaret haltingly asked a series of questions, and

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<v Speaker 1>each time the knocks answered her. Through these responses, they

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<v Speaker 1>learned that the specter had once been a thirty one

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<v Speaker 1>year old man. And as more and more details followed,

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<v Speaker 1>I can only imagine the panic that caught in Margaret's throat.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd been killed just two years before, he claimed, right

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<v Speaker 1>there in their house. When John stepped into the room,

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<v Speaker 1>he found his daughters paralyzed by fear and his wife

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<v Speaker 1>shouting questions to the wall. But he heard it too,

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<v Speaker 1>her questions, the knocking sounds answering back all of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and the couple knew that whatever they were witnessing it

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<v Speaker 1>was beyond them, so John bundled up and set out

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<v Speaker 1>to fetch the nearest neighbors. When he returned, he and

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<v Speaker 1>the neighbor found the girls still in bed, still terrified,

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<v Speaker 1>and still clinging to each other. With more witnesses in

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<v Speaker 1>the room, Margaret asked the same series of questions and

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<v Speaker 1>got the same answers as before. By the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the night, a total of four families had been called

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<v Speaker 1>to the Fox's house, including the Hides and their adult son, David,

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<v Speaker 1>and before long they were all communicating with the knocking sound.

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<v Speaker 1>Through their questions, they sketched out a picture of the

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<v Speaker 1>man life and his death. The listeners crowded into the

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<v Speaker 1>room as the spirit wrapped out that he had been

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<v Speaker 1>a traveling pedlar, and that he had been murdered in

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<v Speaker 1>that very bedroom, his throat cut with a butcher's knife

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<v Speaker 1>before his body was buried beneath the dirt floor of

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<v Speaker 1>the cellar. The information set the group in motion. They

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<v Speaker 1>did with so many following waves of spiritualists would do too.

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<v Speaker 1>They put the spirit to the test. John, his son David,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Hides all went down to the cellar to

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<v Speaker 1>start digging. But the first weeks of spring of eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty eight had been wet. Their shovels sank into the

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<v Speaker 1>damp cellar floor and water oozed up, making any attempt

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<v Speaker 1>at discovery impossible. For the moment. With a story of

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<v Speaker 1>such a gruesome crime hanging in the air, the mood

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<v Speaker 1>that first night must have been somber. Fear and curiosity,

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<v Speaker 1>fascination and confusion, attired and dirty circle of neighbors asking

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<v Speaker 1>themselves if they'd really been speaking with the spirit, what

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<v Speaker 1>had they witnessed in the middle of that spring night.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't take long for it to become clear that

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<v Speaker 1>something irresistible had burst forth. Word got out. Less than

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks later, John said that hundreds had already visited

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<v Speaker 1>the house. Among them was a lawyer who rushed to

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<v Speaker 1>Hydesville on April eleven and started taking statements from the witnesses.

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<v Speaker 1>John told him that curious visitors were coming so often

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<v Speaker 1>that he couldn't even work at the forge, and his

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<v Speaker 1>family no longer had time to cook, clean and live

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<v Speaker 1>their daily lives. Maggie, though, must have loved it, but

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<v Speaker 1>John was still at a loss regarding the eerie phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 1>After two weeks of deep consternation, and scrutiny. He still

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't make up his mind about the sounds. He desperately

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to view them as something natural and explainable, which

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<v Speaker 1>was certainly the more sane path to take. The alternative, though,

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<v Speaker 1>while a lot less believable, was also more frightening. Something

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<v Speaker 1>supernatural was at work. Leah Fish hovered over the piano

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<v Speaker 1>bench her students plunked out the basics that she was

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<v Speaker 1>teaching them upright. Pianos were the centerpiece of every middle

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<v Speaker 1>class parlor, and Leah had carved out a living for

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<v Speaker 1>herself and her daughter by guiding the children of aspiring

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<v Speaker 1>Rochester families through the foundational elements of music. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a respectable profession for a single mother, one of only

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<v Speaker 1>a few that were. On that morning in May, the

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<v Speaker 1>music lesson was interrupted when a student's mother rushed into

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<v Speaker 1>the room and pulled Leah aside. She was followed by

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<v Speaker 1>a man who had just come from a visit to

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<v Speaker 1>see Leah's parents in Hydesville. With the introduction barely made,

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<v Speaker 1>he flipped open a fat notebook and started peppering her

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<v Speaker 1>with questions. But Leah had no idea what the man

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about. To answer her he introduced a set

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<v Speaker 1>of freshly printed pages. It was a pamphlet with the

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<v Speaker 1>headline Mysterious Noises, which reported on the various statements that

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<v Speaker 1>he had taken in Hydesville. It was the first that

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<v Speaker 1>Leah had heard of the uncanny visitation. Within a few hours, though, Leah,

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<v Speaker 1>her daughter, and two friends were all on an overnight

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<v Speaker 1>package delivery boat steaming down the Erie Canal towards Hydesville.

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<v Speaker 1>Leah found her parents home abandoned. They had taken up

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<v Speaker 1>shelter at David's house nearby, and when Leah arrived, she

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<v Speaker 1>saw a ragged Margaret with a bible clutched to her chest.

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<v Speaker 1>The family had been thrown out of the local Methodist

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<v Speaker 1>Episcopal church. Word had gone around that Little Kate said

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<v Speaker 1>the spirit's name was Mr. Splitfoot, and the story had

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<v Speaker 1>shocked the minister. Blasphemy, he had said, devil worship. The

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<v Speaker 1>whispers were flying throughout the neighborhood. The blacksmith had brought

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<v Speaker 1>hammer and tongs to Hydesville, they all said, But he

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<v Speaker 1>had also brought something else too, his two daughters and

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<v Speaker 1>their bond with Satan. The church had accused the family

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<v Speaker 1>of witchcraft before telling them to leave and not come back.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps there wasn't much distance between Rochester and sale him.

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<v Speaker 1>After all, Leah and her parents put their heads together,

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<v Speaker 1>they all agreed that the girls should be split up.

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<v Speaker 1>If the spirit was real, maybe he was attracted to

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<v Speaker 1>one of the sisters in particular. Guessing that it was Kate,

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<v Speaker 1>they decided she would be the one to leave the farm.

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<v Speaker 1>Leah worked quickly, taking her youngest sister back to Rochester

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<v Speaker 1>with her. Separating the sisters didn't stop the troubles, though

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<v Speaker 1>years later Leah would publish an account of what happened

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<v Speaker 1>when they reached the city. The girls, she said, were

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<v Speaker 1>too scared to sleep alone that night, so Lea brought

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<v Speaker 1>them both into her bed before she could fall asleep,

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<v Speaker 1>though their screams of fear broke the silence. With Kate

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<v Speaker 1>in the bed beside them, her daughter said a cold

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<v Speaker 1>hand had passed over her face, and then another crept

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<v Speaker 1>down her back. Leah leapt for her Bible and began

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<v Speaker 1>to read it out loud, but as she would later recall,

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<v Speaker 1>the girls continued to feel something unseen touch their bodies.

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<v Speaker 1>When Leah put out the light and slid the Bible

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<v Speaker 1>under her pillow, something pushed it back out and onto

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<v Speaker 1>the floor. They had no peace and no sleep until

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<v Speaker 1>the light of dawn started to filter through the window

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<v Speaker 1>and the room fell blissfully silent. But other voices would

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<v Speaker 1>fill that silence as the Fox family tried to adjust

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<v Speaker 1>to their new life. That energetic lawyer wasted no time

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<v Speaker 1>distributing his pamphlet throughout the city. He had the sense

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<v Speaker 1>that a printed report of the rumors, full of eyewitness

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<v Speaker 1>interviews that he himself had recorded, would fly off the shelves,

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<v Speaker 1>and his instincts proved correct. His pamphlet, called Report of

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<v Speaker 1>the Mysterious Noises Heard in the House of John D.

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<v Speaker 1>Fox in Hydesville, poured fuel on the whispers, helping the

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<v Speaker 1>news spread like wildfire. But when Amy and Isaac Post

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<v Speaker 1>first heard the rumors about the hauntings in Hydesville, they laughed.

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<v Speaker 1>In a letter from that November, Isaac would tell a

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<v Speaker 1>relative that at first he and Amy paid no more

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<v Speaker 1>heed to the news than to the old Salem witch stories.

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<v Speaker 1>He said. Leah would write that the Posts had and

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<v Speaker 1>I quote, no little amusement at our expense. In reality, though,

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<v Speaker 1>Amy and Isaac were torn between two opinions because their

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<v Speaker 1>dismissive chuckles were slowly giving way to concern. Was it possible,

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<v Speaker 1>They asked themselves that the girls and their mother were

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<v Speaker 1>suffering under some psychological delusion, But they changed their tune.

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<v Speaker 1>A short while later, when Isaac and Amy dropped by

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<v Speaker 1>Leah's house to check in on their young friend, they

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<v Speaker 1>found the household in a panic. You see that piano

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<v Speaker 1>where Leah taught her music lessons. Well, the instrument was

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<v Speaker 1>closed and locked because it was the evening, and yet

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<v Speaker 1>it was somehow still playing music. One sound in particular too,

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<v Speaker 1>a low base key solemn and distinct, slowly tolling like

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<v Speaker 1>a death kneel. It shot the Posts so much that

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<v Speaker 1>they went out and brought back another couple to observe

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<v Speaker 1>the scene. Close friends, fellow abolitionists, and fellow Quakers. These

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<v Speaker 1>were the post's most trusted advisors, just kind of people

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<v Speaker 1>Isaac and Amy would want helping out in such a

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<v Speaker 1>sort of mystery. When they arrived, they settled in to

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<v Speaker 1>watch the piano, and then they listened as the note

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<v Speaker 1>continued to play. In response, they fell to their knees

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<v Speaker 1>and started to pray, their hands opening to Leah and

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<v Speaker 1>the girls as they said out loud, sustaining this family.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh God, you're chosen instruments for the benefits of mankind.

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<v Speaker 1>The dead have never really been silent. From the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>Spiritualists were quick to point out that miraculous visitations, spirit messages,

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<v Speaker 1>and bedroom apparitions were nothing new. As we discussed in

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<v Speaker 1>the first episode, the fox sisters weren't even the first

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<v Speaker 1>people in the eighteen forties to speak with the spirits

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<v Speaker 1>of the dead. Far from it, here's historian Kathy Gutierrez.

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<v Speaker 1>Scholars do like to throw down about dating spiritualism to

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<v Speaker 1>the Foxes. There are always women in transits, right. That

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the few cross cultural truisms, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is clearly a way for women to find a way

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<v Speaker 1>to speak powerfully from the margins. What makes Nidsville important, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's a haunting, It's a poltergeist. There were plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of people like the foxes own Hydesville minister who responded

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<v Speaker 1>in their own time worn way with fear, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was just as true in the bigger community of Rochester.

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<v Speaker 1>As the story grew from a whispered rumor to something

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<v Speaker 1>more persistent, local pastors continued to declare that these were

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<v Speaker 1>stories of witchcraft and demonology. Critics who didn't know the

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<v Speaker 1>Foxes the way Isaac and Amy did, well, they had

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<v Speaker 1>their own reaction. They laughed off the stories as a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't just friendship with Leah and Maggie that

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<v Speaker 1>made Amy willing to listen to the spirits. It was

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<v Speaker 1>also her Quaker beliefs. Here's historian and Browdie. Quakers in

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<v Speaker 1>particular had already a notion that the individual contains within

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<v Speaker 1>themselves a perfect transcript of ultimate truth, so we should

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<v Speaker 1>look within ourselves to know the mind of God. And

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<v Speaker 1>that notion of what Quakers call the inner Light was

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<v Speaker 1>very close to what spiritualists would do when they looked

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<v Speaker 1>to individual mediums to hear the voices of spirits. So

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<v Speaker 1>the seance had some commonalities with a Quaker meeting, where

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<v Speaker 1>Quakers sit in silence to await the voice of God.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what spiritualists are doing. Also, they're waiting for a

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<v Speaker 1>spirit voice. In fact, you might even say that it

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<v Speaker 1>was these particular Quakers, Amy and Isaac Post who gave

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<v Speaker 1>spiritualism the flavor of Quaker spirituality, because in the days

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<v Speaker 1>after they heard the death knell from Leah's p n

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<v Speaker 1>know they may have heard the echoes of their own losses,

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<v Speaker 1>their own grief. The friends who advised them well, they

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<v Speaker 1>had also have been pushed out of their Presbyterian congregation

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<v Speaker 1>for campaigning against slavery, and all of them had started

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<v Speaker 1>to spend more time with the Fox sisters. One afternoon,

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<v Speaker 1>when they were all gathered at Amy and Isaac's home,

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<v Speaker 1>they tried to have a deeper conversation with the spirits

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<v Speaker 1>or spirits that were following the girls. Amy would later

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<v Speaker 1>recall watching her friends, a middle aged couple seated beside

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<v Speaker 1>Maggie in rapt attention. She said, it was as though

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<v Speaker 1>they stood before the judgment seats of God. They were

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<v Speaker 1>asking gentle questions, and the thumps and knocks were answering back.

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<v Speaker 1>A new form of devotion was beginning to take shape.

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<v Speaker 1>Amy and Isaac were beginning to see things in the

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<v Speaker 1>same way as their friends. We do not get answers

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<v Speaker 1>without one of the sisters present, Isaac wrote in a letter.

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<v Speaker 1>The girls were indeed the instruments of some spiritual power.

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<v Speaker 1>So Isaac said about devising a system to link the

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<v Speaker 1>tapping sounds to the alphabet, And that's when something even

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<v Speaker 1>more uncanny happened. You see. Leah had started suffering from headaches.

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<v Speaker 1>Isaac guessed that he could offer her some relief through

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<v Speaker 1>one of the common remedies he prepared every week as

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<v Speaker 1>a pharmacist. Amy was also known by her friends to

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<v Speaker 1>have a knowledge of herbal and traditional medicines. But nothing helped.

0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:28.199
<v Speaker 1>Leah continued to groan in pain until Isaac decided to

0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:31.560
<v Speaker 1>try the new science of the mind. He decided to

0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:35.080
<v Speaker 1>magnetize her. It should come as no surprise that when

0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 1>Isaac followed the directions for mesmerism, Leah fell into a

0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:41.399
<v Speaker 1>trance in the dark. She suddenly found that she was

0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:44.120
<v Speaker 1>surrounded by the spirits of the posts, dead loved ones.

0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Their young children appeared, a son who had died in

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:50.879
<v Speaker 1>eighteen forty four, and a daughter dead since eighteen thirty seven,

0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:55.159
<v Speaker 1>and then Amy's dead sister, And this sister had a

0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:57.840
<v Speaker 1>message to share with Isaac. She wanted him to know

0:27:57.920 --> 0:28:00.400
<v Speaker 1>that she was pleased by their marriage, by their love

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:03.679
<v Speaker 1>for each other. It was right and good, and we

0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:07.240
<v Speaker 1>can only guess how much this meant to him. But

0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:11.040
<v Speaker 1>the questions came to Amy, and Isaac wanted to believe

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 1>these messages, and wanted to believe that their children were

0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:17.400
<v Speaker 1>content and happy in the spirit world. But how and

0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:20.960
<v Speaker 1>why were these spirits speaking now? What made it possible

0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:24.960
<v Speaker 1>that in past ages spirit visitors were so rare and mysterious,

0:28:25.280 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 1>while in the spirits could hold such easy conversations, and

0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:33.720
<v Speaker 1>the spirits didn't mind answering. In fact, in one of

0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:36.680
<v Speaker 1>the first seances, Isaac got an answer to this question

0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:40.040
<v Speaker 1>from the spirits of his dead mother. A reformation is

0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:43.120
<v Speaker 1>going on in the spirit world, she told him. These

0:28:43.160 --> 0:28:47.320
<v Speaker 1>spirits seek the company of honest men. They had messages

0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:49.880
<v Speaker 1>to deliver, and they were reaching out to reformers who

0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 1>would be willing to act on their plans. Amy and

0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Isaac knew just the people. They gathered a small group

0:28:56.600 --> 0:28:59.240
<v Speaker 1>of friends to meet weekly and take down the messages

0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:02.520
<v Speaker 1>from the other I, Kate, and Maggie would open themselves

0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:04.800
<v Speaker 1>up to the spirits, who would flood the room with

0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:08.880
<v Speaker 1>knocking sounds. Leah would serve as an interpreter. Over the

0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:11.800
<v Speaker 1>next two years, a host of spirits marched into Amy

0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:14.960
<v Speaker 1>and Isaac's home and spoke to them. Through the Fox Sisters.

0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:20.400
<v Speaker 1>They heard messages from George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. They

0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:23.520
<v Speaker 1>heard from Quaker leaders like George Fox, and William Penn.

0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 1>Benjamin Franklin even showed up too, and he filled in

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:31.560
<v Speaker 1>another piece of the puzzle. Death hadn't stopped him from inventing,

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 1>he said, and he had discovered a reliable way for

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:38.080
<v Speaker 1>the dead to reach out to the living. Back in

0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:41.600
<v Speaker 1>seventeen forty eight, when he was still alive, Franklin had

0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 1>sent electrical pulses through a wire across a river outside Philadelphia.

0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Exactly one century later, his work had bridged a deeper divide.

0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 1>It had only required human instruments who were suitable to

0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:57.680
<v Speaker 1>carry their messages into the land of the living. Instruments

0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:02.760
<v Speaker 1>like Kate and Maggie Fox. These ghostly figures the founders

0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:05.400
<v Speaker 1>of the nation and the religious tradition that gave the

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:08.160
<v Speaker 1>Posts their place in the world. They brought a message

0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:11.520
<v Speaker 1>and a challenge. They were dead, but not gone, because

0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:15.160
<v Speaker 1>the Posts who had inherited their work still had much

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:19.240
<v Speaker 1>to do. In a time when Amy Post, Frederick Douglas,

0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:22.920
<v Speaker 1>and so many others were working diligently to reform society

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:25.840
<v Speaker 1>in the material world, it somehow made sense to these

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 1>radicals that they would also be greeted by a great reformation.

0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Among those living after death. Frederick Douglas even published reports

0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:37.800
<v Speaker 1>about these new spiritual investigations in his paper The North Star.

0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 1>Powerful news was heading out into the world. The spirits

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:52.240
<v Speaker 1>were awake, and they had something to say. The telegraph

0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:56.880
<v Speaker 1>reached Rochester in eighty six. Sure, it was a system

0:30:57.000 --> 0:31:00.600
<v Speaker 1>under the control of inventors and investors who had profit

0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:03.200
<v Speaker 1>in mind, but to a city shaped by the religious

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:06.080
<v Speaker 1>revivals of the Second Great Awakening, well, it was as

0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:08.600
<v Speaker 1>much a miracle as it was a machine. In fact,

0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Rochester was the center of interest in building telegraph systems

0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:15.680
<v Speaker 1>all across the United States, especially for stagecoach operators who

0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:19.080
<v Speaker 1>lost their living with the new canal opened up. Gravity

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:23.600
<v Speaker 1>and electricity were new marvels, proved to exist but barely understood.

0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Communication over telegraph lines came in code, a series of

0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:30.880
<v Speaker 1>pulses that needed to be interpreted by operators who knew

0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:35.560
<v Speaker 1>the cipher and mesmerists were revealing the previously untapped potential

0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:38.880
<v Speaker 1>of the human mind. What could be better suited to

0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:42.160
<v Speaker 1>these new horizons of science than the tapped out messages

0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 1>of the spirits. Right from the start, Isaac post saw

0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:48.760
<v Speaker 1>the similarity. Soon enough, he and his fellow believers were

0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 1>calling the Fox Sisters their spiritual telegraph, and they didn't

0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 1>fail to connect the spirit rappings to the trans visitations

0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:59.680
<v Speaker 1>that Andrew Jackson Davis was receiving in New York City.

0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:04.520
<v Speaker 1>His book was on sale in Rochester bookshops. By making

0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:07.960
<v Speaker 1>it clear that the spirit of revelation hadn't limited itself

0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:11.560
<v Speaker 1>to one place. The spirits were everywhere on the move.

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:16.960
<v Speaker 1>When the news of the mysterious noises reached Andrew Jackson Davis,

0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 1>he was hardly surprised. In fact, he would later claim

0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:21.920
<v Speaker 1>that on March thirty one, when the spirits of the

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:25.160
<v Speaker 1>dead Pedler revealed itself to Kate and Maggie, a voice

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:30.480
<v Speaker 1>had spoken to him, saying, brother, the good work has begun. Behold,

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 1>a living demonstration is born. Here's Kathy Gutierres once again.

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 1>When he here's about the Fox Sisters and the so

0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:46.600
<v Speaker 1>called mysterious wrappings, he melds his world view with their

0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:51.840
<v Speaker 1>experiential ritual, if you will, and that was the marriage

0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:56.680
<v Speaker 1>that needed happening. He gave theology to their ritual, and

0:32:56.800 --> 0:33:02.160
<v Speaker 1>they brought ritual to his philosophy. As the post practice

0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:06.560
<v Speaker 1>that ritual new manifestations of spirit power appeared. Not only

0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:09.000
<v Speaker 1>did the circle of friends hear rapping sounds, but the

0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:12.080
<v Speaker 1>spirits grew powerful enough to start making the tables move,

0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 1>rocking and rotating as the visitors asked questions. The spirits,

0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 1>you see, wanted revolution, and they got it too. That July,

0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Amy Post and Frederick Douglas joined their friends and allies

0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:28.880
<v Speaker 1>like Elizabeth Caddy Stanton and Lucretia Mott at the Seneca

0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:33.320
<v Speaker 1>Falls Convention, where they made a landmark declaration of the civil, political,

0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:38.720
<v Speaker 1>and religious rights of women. They were just as concerned

0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:43.400
<v Speaker 1>with their rights in their religious spheres as in the

0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:47.360
<v Speaker 1>civic and political spheres. They cared about whether they could

0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:50.640
<v Speaker 1>vote in their churches as much as whether they could

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 1>vote for the school board or the Senate. That's an

0:33:56.640 --> 0:34:01.800
<v Speaker 1>browdie once again. The very table they right the famous

0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:06.760
<v Speaker 1>Declaration of Sentiments based on the Declaration of Independence that

0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:12.839
<v Speaker 1>gives the first real statement of women's rights in North America.

0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 1>That table, which is now in the Smithsonian, had been

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:21.239
<v Speaker 1>rocked by spirits at the convention. Frederick Douglas was the

0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:24.120
<v Speaker 1>only black attendee and the only black signer of the

0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Declaration of Sentiments. He published a report on that convention

0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:31.000
<v Speaker 1>in The North Star, probably declaring that winning equal rights

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:34.160
<v Speaker 1>for women would be simple justice. It was news that

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:37.160
<v Speaker 1>drew more and more new neighbors to Rochester who wanted

0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:41.000
<v Speaker 1>to serve the cause, including a young woman named Harriet Jacobs,

0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:44.600
<v Speaker 1>who had escaped from slavery in North Carolina. Here's Molly

0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:49.759
<v Speaker 1>McGarry in Harry Jacob's moved to Rochester to help run

0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:52.960
<v Speaker 1>the anti Slavery Reading Room, which was located above the

0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:56.839
<v Speaker 1>offices where Frederick Douglas published The North Star and at

0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:59.880
<v Speaker 1>that time and probably in that place, Jacobs also be

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:05.160
<v Speaker 1>gan a lifelong friendship with Amy Post. In fact, Harriet

0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:07.719
<v Speaker 1>had recently left New York City when word reached her

0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 1>there that mercenaries were on the way to recapture her.

0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:13.600
<v Speaker 1>When she arrived in Rochester, she was welcomed into Amy

0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:16.640
<v Speaker 1>and Isaac's home, and she joined them around the table

0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:22.240
<v Speaker 1>both for meals and for spiritualist seances. At Amy's urging,

0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:25.560
<v Speaker 1>Harriet began working on her memoir. When it was published,

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:28.279
<v Speaker 1>her Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl would

0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:31.440
<v Speaker 1>be a landmark in American literature and a boost to

0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:35.560
<v Speaker 1>the abolitionist cause. But the Rochester circle also shared the

0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 1>conviction that the living and the dead were working together

0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:42.080
<v Speaker 1>to launch a new age of spiritual reform. The Spirits

0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:44.319
<v Speaker 1>agreed with them. If they were going to really make

0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:46.920
<v Speaker 1>a change in the world, though, they needed to address

0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the public. It started small. Isaac and Amy helped to

0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 1>organize sittings with the Fox Sisters, filtering out the unsavory characters,

0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:58.440
<v Speaker 1>of course, but also keeping the setting harmonious and the

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:03.360
<v Speaker 1>attendants limited. At demand kept growing. More and more seekers

0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:06.760
<v Speaker 1>were making their way into Rochester, all while other religious

0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 1>experiments were falling flat and communities along the canal were folding,

0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:14.400
<v Speaker 1>looking for guidance, for connection and for the next step

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 1>to take in their lives. People knew to the city

0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:19.520
<v Speaker 1>were open to something that could be seen and heard,

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:25.000
<v Speaker 1>something that could be witnessed. After a year of closed sittings,

0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:27.960
<v Speaker 1>the Spirits spoke up. They were ready for a wider

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:31.400
<v Speaker 1>audience in a private seance just for the Posts. The

0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Spirits spoke through Leah, telling Isaac to rent Rochester's Corinthian

0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Hall for a whole three nights for the first time ever.

0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:42.560
<v Speaker 1>They were going to throw the doors open wide to

0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:46.640
<v Speaker 1>a paying crowd. It was time for the Spirits to

0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:54.359
<v Speaker 1>take the stage. They had no trouble getting the word out.

0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:58.399
<v Speaker 1>When November four arrived, over four hundred people crowded into

0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:02.080
<v Speaker 1>Rochester's Corinthian Hall. They'd come to hear for themselves whether

0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:05.680
<v Speaker 1>the mysterious noises were a divine revelation or just a

0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:09.680
<v Speaker 1>back country ruse. The first person to take the stage

0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:13.640
<v Speaker 1>was Eliab Caprin, another excommunicated Quaker as well as a

0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:16.840
<v Speaker 1>friend of the Posts, a utopian socialist, and a fellow

0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:20.200
<v Speaker 1>member of the anti slavery movement. It was his task

0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:22.560
<v Speaker 1>to describe in full what had happened around the Fox

0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 1>Sisters from Hydesville to the Post's home, and to prepare

0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:29.880
<v Speaker 1>the way for Amy and the girls. Amy Post waited

0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:32.080
<v Speaker 1>in the wings while he spoke. It was a time

0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:34.919
<v Speaker 1>when women still couldn't speak in public without first being

0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:37.920
<v Speaker 1>introduced by a man, and I can imagine the words

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:41.640
<v Speaker 1>of the Declaration of Sentiments echoing in her mind. Compelled

0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:44.680
<v Speaker 1>to submit to law in the formation of which she

0:37:44.840 --> 0:37:48.560
<v Speaker 1>had no voice, Amy was doing everything she could to

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:53.640
<v Speaker 1>change that. After Eliob finished speaking, Amy Post stepped to

0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:56.600
<v Speaker 1>the front. She was no stranger to crowds in that city,

0:37:56.680 --> 0:38:01.000
<v Speaker 1>whether hospitable or hostile, and Moments later, Leah Fish joined

0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:03.759
<v Speaker 1>her with her sisters Kate and Maggie Fox in tow

0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:08.399
<v Speaker 1>Then they took their seats around Eliob and began their demonstration.

0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Here's Nancy Stewart, the press is there, one of Horace

0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Greeley's reporters there from New York. There are other reporters

0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:20.000
<v Speaker 1>there from the Rochester papers an elsewhere upstate New York.

0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:23.920
<v Speaker 1>And there's a committee appointed to examine the girls, particularly

0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:27.839
<v Speaker 1>Leiah and Maggie at this point, to find out they're

0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:33.520
<v Speaker 1>making these sons with their body. The audience themselves selected

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:37.440
<v Speaker 1>their own skeptics for the committee. They included doctors, lawyers,

0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:40.120
<v Speaker 1>and even a judge who had attended the meeting. The

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:43.920
<v Speaker 1>panels would observe private sciences in the afternoons and report

0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:47.880
<v Speaker 1>back to the audience in the evening. One group committee

0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:50.719
<v Speaker 1>of ladies was chosen to take the Fox sisters into

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:53.279
<v Speaker 1>a room where the girls were stripped and subjected to

0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:57.720
<v Speaker 1>minute examination, like a jury of seventeenth century Salem women

0:38:57.880 --> 0:39:01.240
<v Speaker 1>looking for witch marks. Even as the girls were bundled

0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:05.640
<v Speaker 1>and bound in various uncomfortable positions, the knocking sounds continued

0:39:05.680 --> 0:39:09.520
<v Speaker 1>to fall on the floor all around them each night.

0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:13.000
<v Speaker 1>The panels announced that they were and I quote, unable

0:39:13.040 --> 0:39:16.080
<v Speaker 1>to discover any fraud or trick by which the girls

0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:19.080
<v Speaker 1>produced the raps. In fact, they began to witness even

0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:22.920
<v Speaker 1>more unsettling things. Once, when the committee had gathered around

0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:25.600
<v Speaker 1>the table with the girls, it started to turn beneath

0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:28.680
<v Speaker 1>their hands, just as Isaac and Amy had witnessed before.

0:39:29.920 --> 0:39:32.200
<v Speaker 1>One of the men, thinking that it was a simple trick,

0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:35.360
<v Speaker 1>asked everyone to leave the table and stand against the walls.

0:39:35.760 --> 0:39:38.080
<v Speaker 1>Then he asked the spirits to turn the table again.

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:43.040
<v Speaker 1>At his request, it began slowly to spin, as if

0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:47.520
<v Speaker 1>it were being moved by unseen hands. Naturally, it all

0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:50.520
<v Speaker 1>made for quite a show. Reports were splashed across the

0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:54.600
<v Speaker 1>regional papers. Elliot Capron began begging Margaret Fox to let

0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:57.359
<v Speaker 1>him take her daughters on the road and share their

0:39:57.360 --> 0:40:00.640
<v Speaker 1>revelation with the world. When the spirits were asked, they

0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:05.680
<v Speaker 1>knocked their approval. For years, the news from Rochester and

0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:08.480
<v Speaker 1>the Frontier Farms had reached New York with the latest

0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:12.359
<v Speaker 1>on radical organizing and new arguments for women's equality in

0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:16.719
<v Speaker 1>black freedom. Now, though the political and intellectual reputation of

0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Rochester rested in the hands of three young women and

0:40:20.120 --> 0:40:24.640
<v Speaker 1>a new phenomenon that demanded attention at the crossroads of science, spirituality,

0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:31.680
<v Speaker 1>political philosophy, and not least of all, entertaining spectacle. If

0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:34.600
<v Speaker 1>they decided to travel with Capron purely because he had

0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:37.719
<v Speaker 1>a flair for the dramatic, they didn't choose wrong. Under

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:40.880
<v Speaker 1>his guidance, the Foxes rented rooms at A. S. Barnum's

0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Hotel in New York City. Then he launched the marketing blitz,

0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:49.000
<v Speaker 1>peppering New York's streets with advertisements for public demonstrations, which

0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:52.000
<v Speaker 1>would be held three times a day, and the price

0:40:52.040 --> 0:41:00.920
<v Speaker 1>for admission just one dollar. Aidan Blue rejoiced. He welcomed

0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:05.000
<v Speaker 1>the arrival of spiritualism to his utopian community, Hopedale. In fact,

0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:07.840
<v Speaker 1>it's not so much that spiritualism became a movement, but

0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:11.200
<v Speaker 1>rather that it came into one. The first groups to

0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:13.799
<v Speaker 1>get word of the revelations were the Quaker communities in

0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:18.120
<v Speaker 1>Long Island, Nantucket, Philadelphia, and across New York State. Elliot

0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:21.200
<v Speaker 1>Capron's Auburn Circle, for instance, had long been home to

0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:24.320
<v Speaker 1>an interest in mesmerism and magnetic healing. In the years

0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:28.200
<v Speaker 1>before those spiritual instruments recruited him as a stage manager.

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<v Speaker 1>The other early adopters across the US were other utopian communities,

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<v Speaker 1>North Star subscribers, and others who had already had connections

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<v Speaker 1>to Rochester through speaking tours, newspapers, and abolitionist visions. But

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<v Speaker 1>that was only the beginning. News of the spirit contact

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<v Speaker 1>in Rochester spread along the channels between like minded communities

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<v Speaker 1>of reformers, disaffected ministers, and religious innovators in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>channels that have first been opened by Andrew Jackson. Davis's

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<v Speaker 1>transvisions of divine harmony were quickly spread west, reaching towns

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<v Speaker 1>in Indiana, Ohio, and beyond from his home in Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 1>In Hopeedale, Aidan Balu tracked this progress. He was still

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<v Speaker 1>writing those sermons and essays that rallied others to his cause.

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<v Speaker 1>Any and every subject that fell in front of the

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<v Speaker 1>radical x universalist received a lengthy treatment, and in time

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<v Speaker 1>spiritualism was no different. It offered his community a fresh wind,

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<v Speaker 1>a new source of truth, and a beacon fire around

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<v Speaker 1>which the hungry souls of his flock could gather. Among

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<v Speaker 1>them were a couple named David and lo Denzis Scott,

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<v Speaker 1>who had been charmed by Aiden's vision of living out

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<v Speaker 1>a practical Christianity. They were in Hopedale when the community

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<v Speaker 1>started to experiment with trance sittings and attempts to contact

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<v Speaker 1>the spirits of the dead, and strange things started to

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<v Speaker 1>happen when the believers gathered together at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>Though Aiden came to David with an idea, Hopeedale, you see,

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<v Speaker 1>was full. In fact, they were running out of land

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<v Speaker 1>for all the new peace bolt trickling in. So the

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<v Speaker 1>two men drew up a plan to launch a new

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<v Speaker 1>branch of Hopeedale farther to the west in the state

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<v Speaker 1>of Wisconsin. It was rich with oak groves and well

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<v Speaker 1>watered meadows, so they had heard, and David and Lodenza,

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<v Speaker 1>along with their children in tow, would serve as Hopeedale's

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<v Speaker 1>advance party. When winter finally cleared in early eighteen fifty one,

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<v Speaker 1>they boarded a steamer called the Globe and headed toward

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<v Speaker 1>the town of Waterloo to put the plan in motion.

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<v Speaker 1>That plan, though it was about to change. You see.

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<v Speaker 1>David and Lidenza's children were along for the ride, including

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<v Speaker 1>their youngest daughter, Cora, and her life was in many

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<v Speaker 1>ways like those of the Fox girls. A ten year

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<v Speaker 1>old who had been carried from town to farm and

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<v Speaker 1>then back to town as her parents had tried to

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<v Speaker 1>find their place in the American landscape. But in the

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<v Speaker 1>fall of eighteen fifty one, a visitation would strike her

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<v Speaker 1>like lightning, an unexpected power that would transform her into

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<v Speaker 1>something new. Going forward, she would be a guiding voice

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<v Speaker 1>and a central figure in the world of spiritualism, and

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<v Speaker 1>would be for the rest of the century. That's it

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<v Speaker 1>for this week's episode of Unobscured. Stick around after this

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<v Speaker 1>short sponsor break for a preview of what's in store

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<v Speaker 1>for next week. Next time on Unobscured, suddenly the table

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<v Speaker 1>started to turn beneath their hands. Some of the guests

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<v Speaker 1>were startled and ducked under the table to see if

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<v Speaker 1>anyone was pushing it around. Even though the table was

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<v Speaker 1>large and heavy, it rotated smoothly until the group lifted

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<v Speaker 1>their hands off of it, and then it stopped. William Hayden,

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<v Speaker 1>convinced it was a trick, gripped the table with his

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<v Speaker 1>hands and tried to turn it using his own strength,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wouldn't budge until he let go. That is, then,

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<v Speaker 1>even though no one was touching it anymore, the table

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<v Speaker 1>resumed spinning, this time faster than before. William tried to

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<v Speaker 1>grab the table to make a stop, but when that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't work, he climbed underneath it and wrapped his arms

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<v Speaker 1>around the table legs. It dragged him in a slow

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<v Speaker 1>circle across the floor. Unobscured was created by me Aaron

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<v Speaker 1>Thane in partnership with I Heart Radio. Research and writing

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