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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week are Beyond Contact.

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Speaker 3: We'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Beyond Contact on Captain Ron, and today we're

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Speaker 3: speaking with Walter Bosley. Walter worked nearly twenty years in

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Speaker 3: national security and worked as a counterintelligence agent at the

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Speaker 3: Air Force Office of Special Investigations as well as the FBI.

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Speaker 3: He is currently a professional private investigator and researcher of

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Speaker 3: historical occult mysteries. He's the author of many many books

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Speaker 3: and is also a screenwriter. He's traveled much of the

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Speaker 3: world and has some really fascinating insights and perspectives on

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Speaker 3: many different topics, including how disinformation works with regards to UFOs. Hey, Walter,

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Speaker 3: thanks so much for coming on, man, I'm really really

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Speaker 3: looking forward to this one.

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Speaker 4: Hey, thanks for having me on. Ron, I'm looking forward

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Speaker 4: to this myself.

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Speaker 3: So you worked in counterintelligence, and your insights to how

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Speaker 3: this whole thing works are just eye opening to me.

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Speaker 3: I've read and seen a lot of your stuff and

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Speaker 3: I find it very compelling. I'm now convinced that everything

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Speaker 3: comes down to, as you phrase it, perception management. Backs

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Speaker 3: are really just gone and it all comes down to

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Speaker 3: this perception management. You have some really fascinating insights as

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Speaker 3: to how the intelligence community and throughout the world uses

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Speaker 3: this and specifically how it relates to the UFO issue.

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Speaker 3: Can you tell us how you would define this perception management?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there is the simple definition right of the words

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Speaker 4: perception management. You're managing the perception of people. It's really

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Speaker 4: that simple. But it can be complex. You know, you

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Speaker 4: can have both and in the national security world, counterintelligence world,

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Speaker 4: counter espionage world. There can be different brands of perception management.

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Speaker 4: One of them is and this is what I worked in,

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Speaker 4: perception management on your adversary, you know, your enemy, so

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Speaker 4: and then I was a special agent federal agent with

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Speaker 4: the Air Force OICIDE. And during all the years combined

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Speaker 4: being with those two organizations, I worked against the GRU

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Speaker 4: and the KGB, for example, and then after the coup

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Speaker 4: what they changed their name to KGB essentially, and the objective,

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Speaker 4: particularly when I got into the Air Force brand of it,

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Speaker 4: because then I became chief of a double agent operations branch,

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Speaker 4: and that gets into the next level of perception management.

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Speaker 4: On the basic level, you want them to think something

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Speaker 4: I got into double agentry, which is what they call

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Speaker 4: provocations operational provocations, you're actually giving information to the adversary

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Speaker 4: and some of its actual classified, accurate technology and data,

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Speaker 4: but some of it may be tweaked so that the

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Speaker 4: they'll go down a crazy technological development route that will

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Speaker 4: take them into a dead end, right, And that's another

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Speaker 4: form of perception management. Yet another aspect is making them

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Speaker 4: thinking that you're focusing on something that you're not. Now,

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Speaker 4: some people say that's what the psychic warfare thing was about,

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Speaker 4: that it was just both sides trying to convince, you know,

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Speaker 4: and go down, you know, this wrong road. I don't

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Speaker 4: agree that the psychic spice stuff was fake. I think

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Speaker 4: there's plenty to demonstrate that that was real, that both

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Speaker 5: And I think continue to develop that.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, and then there's another form of perception management,

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Speaker 4: particularly in military context. It all comes down to you

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Speaker 4: want someone to think what you want them to think.

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Speaker 5: Emphasis on the management.

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Speaker 3: I want to get right to the heart of your

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Speaker 3: off world alien technology. What is actually not necessarily true,

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Speaker 3: We're letting our adversaries know. They will think it's most

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Speaker 3: likely our technology, and we want them to be on

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Speaker 3: really have technologically. That way, we're instilling fear regarding our

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, that's very accurate. In this world we're

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Speaker 4: talking about in these scenarios, the intended audience for that

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Speaker 4: know what's really going on, even if the demonstrator is

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Speaker 4: letting its own population say, oh, it's from another world.

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Speaker 4: We couldn't possibly be able to do that, just as

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Speaker 4: you said, But the adversary knows otherwise, They know better.

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Speaker 4: They have their reasons for not coming forth and spilling

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Speaker 4: the beans to the our public because maybe they're doing

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Speaker 4: a very similar same thing, and that again.

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Speaker 5: Would spill too many beans.

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Speaker 3: You know, I wanted to specifically talk about this example.

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Speaker 3: You know, this tic tech we're referring to took place

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Speaker 3: in two thousand and four, and the commander on that

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Speaker 3: was David Fraverer, and since that sighting he has said

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Speaker 3: it is not of this world, and no aircraft that

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Speaker 3: to tell you, Walter, I was really on board with

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Speaker 3: this guy and the idea that tictech could very well

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Speaker 3: to me feels beyond reproach. He's this incredibly decorated commander

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Speaker 3: and now it so rings true. To me that why

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Speaker 3: He has no need to know regarding this topic. Therefore,

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Speaker 4: What you said is generally what I point out to people.

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Speaker 4: Why would they expose this to Commander Fraverer and his squadron?

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Speaker 4: I'm not up on the configurations of naval aviation squadron,

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Speaker 4: I've been off active duty for twenty five years.

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Speaker 5: But you know the reason.

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Speaker 4: That they would expose this to Fraverer and his co

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Speaker 4: when encountering this now one of the big clues I

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Speaker 4: heard people say. They would yell at me and say, oh, Walter,

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Speaker 4: why would they explode? You know, this was right off

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Speaker 4: And it was out at sea in a known zone

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Speaker 4: where the Office of Naval Research and other DoD nities

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Speaker 4: and his squadron's aircraft were not armed. They were doing

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Speaker 4: it was perfectly And look, Fraverr, Commander Fraver is not

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Speaker 4: Just because you're a squadron commander, a Navy fighter pilot,

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Speaker 3: And you know, somebody outside this world, like myself, it

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Speaker 3: We are back on Beyond Contact. It's Captain Ron. I'm

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Speaker 3: speaking with Walter Bosley. I apologize for my throat. I

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Speaker 3: wanted to ask you. You know, it's very fascinating when

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Speaker 3: disclosure and presumably many other issues in society are having

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Speaker 3: these narratives constantly manipulated by different factions. There's like this

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Speaker 3: It concerns me for sure. And you know, to make

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Speaker 3: It's just like, there's so many layers to this that

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's there yet, but no, no, not

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Speaker 5: Why not?

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Speaker 3: Do you think that this whole watershed moment we had

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Speaker 4: I think talk about perception management. I think I was

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Speaker 4: Because I said back then, okay, Ellisondo says that he

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Speaker 1: AM Paranormal podcast Network.

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Speaker 3: We are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Walter Bosley. Well,

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Speaker 3: first of all, let's pick up. You just talked about

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Speaker 3: Louel Azando. What are your thoughts on David Grush?

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Speaker 4: Honestly, not much, And I don't mean that in like

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Speaker 4: a negative vibe kind of way. You know, people say, oh,

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Speaker 4: you got to hear what he says, and when I do,

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Speaker 4: I don't hear anything that leaves an impression. I think

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Speaker 4: that Grush is likely somebody who was used himself. There

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Speaker 4: was perception management info that he was used to get

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Speaker 4: out there. Okay, filter this through, here's the guy.

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Speaker 5: Tell him this.

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Speaker 4: Tell him that because he's going to talk about this

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Speaker 4: stuff and we're going to encourage him to go out

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Speaker 4: there and be a whistleblower. So I think Grush is

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Speaker 4: somebody who was used by those who want to manage

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Speaker 4: the perception and get control. Look lou Elizondo twenty seventeen, Grush,

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Speaker 4: all of these guys that you know, I was a

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Speaker 4: CIA guy, and I saw UFOs and this, that and

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Speaker 4: the other. All of this, in my opinion, from my perspective,

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Speaker 4: is an attempt to gain control of the primary narrative

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Speaker 4: in ufology in a way that the US government has

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Speaker 4: never tried to do before. I think what it was

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Speaker 4: is it got to the point where don't trust anybody

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Speaker 4: who was a CIA guy or like an OSI agent.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the hell I've caught from people who don't

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Speaker 4: even know me, you know, just simply because I carried

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Speaker 4: that badge. You know, I think what Uncle Sam did

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Speaker 4: was Okay, let's flip the script on this. Let's start

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Speaker 4: making them think we're giving them what they want. Let's oh, look,

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Speaker 4: here's US guy. Oh, here's an Air Force guy. Oh,

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Speaker 4: here's the Army guy. You know, just a parade of

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Speaker 4: these people.

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Speaker 5: And when the.

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Speaker 4: Public, the UFO public, starts to get a little wary

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Speaker 4: of one, they bring out another. And that is very

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Speaker 4: much how these things are done. Just hammer, hammer, hammer

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Speaker 4: until you buy it.

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Speaker 3: Now you're saying government and Uncle Sam and these other terms,

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Speaker 3: and you often I've listened to a lot of your stuff,

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Speaker 3: and you're often saying, they they want to control the narrative.

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Speaker 3: They want to steer you one way or another. They

477
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Speaker 3: are using disinformation. I want to know who they are there.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of these guys out there, like for example,

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Speaker 3: doctor Greer, who think that there's a small cabal, as

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Speaker 3: Greer puts it, that controls this information, the UFO information

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Speaker 3: I'm referring to, and that cabal exists outside the normal

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Speaker 3: government channels and congressional oversight, and he sees that as

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Speaker 3: a big problem. So who are you saying they are.

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Speaker 4: When I'm talking about the military situation, I'm talking about

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Speaker 4: Alizondu or GRUSH and what we were just talking about.

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Speaker 4: They they are the US Department of Defense, the Pentagon,

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Speaker 4: the intelligence community.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let me hold you right there. This is exactly

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Speaker 3: what I want to ask you, brother. So, if you're

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Speaker 3: saying that the government and those are official the Pentagon,

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Speaker 3: these guys are controlling that narrative. If it's true that

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Speaker 3: this knowledge is held within a secret cabal, why would

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Speaker 3: this mainstream military channels, government officials even care about that?

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Speaker 3: Because there is in the dark about this topic as

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Speaker 3: we are. If there is such a.

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Speaker 4: Place that houses the UFO information, they are in the dark,

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Speaker 4: and they're not years ago when I was on my

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Speaker 4: first assignment as an OSI agent and I was getting

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Speaker 4: briefed in on because I was brought directly into counterintelligence

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Speaker 4: because of my experience with the FBI before the Air Force,

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Speaker 4: and I was learning how this stuff works, particularly with

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Speaker 4: the aerospace industry and working with secret stuff. I realized, hey,

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Speaker 4: wait a minute, the Department of Defense learned a long

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Speaker 4: time ago to you know, have a civilian contractor organization

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Speaker 4: set up that you can you can house and store

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Speaker 4: the things you want to tell the public you don't

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Speaker 4: know about. In other words, the custodians of the any

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Speaker 4: any legitimate et stuff that's been found, captured, or gifted,

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Speaker 4: the custodians are going to be one of these civilian

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Speaker 4: contractors so that the government and the military can say

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Speaker 4: a coupable deniability, they say, we don't we don't have

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Speaker 4: any flying saucers.

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Speaker 3: We don't have right, and they can't command bringing them

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Speaker 3: in exactly.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And and due to the compartmentalization, there may be only

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Speaker 4: a handful of people in that contract company that knows

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Speaker 4: this is something extraterrestrial.

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Speaker 5: For example, why.

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Speaker 3: Why are they trying to why would they have any

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Speaker 3: incentive to send out this information if so few people

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Speaker 3: know that it really is the military or yeah, the military,

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Speaker 3: why would why would any.

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Speaker 4: Oh well, well, now you're getting into the knowledge's power.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 4: If we the United States have some type of relationship

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Speaker 4: with extraterrestrials and extraterrestrial civilization, do we want our adversaries

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Speaker 4: knowing or knowing the extent of it?

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Speaker 5: Maybe not.

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Speaker 4: So what you do is you covet your relationships with

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Speaker 4: the special ones. Okay, that's one of the main reasons

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Speaker 4: where I see they would want to keep this secret,

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Speaker 4: you know, covered up. Now, it could also be the

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Speaker 4: nature of the contact. For instance, we're constantly indundated with

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Speaker 4: the aliens are peaceful, there are friends there's which I

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Speaker 4: find childish, absurd and just ignorant to assume that just

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Speaker 4: because the civilization has developed, you know, star traveling technology,

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Speaker 4: that oh they're peaceful. What a load of How did

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Speaker 4: we know that?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 4: Because look how much of our technology we have in

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Speaker 4: society that started in military research. So I guarantee you

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Speaker 4: there's civilizations out there that are belligerent. There's civilizations out

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Speaker 4: there that have military technology that would scare the hell

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Speaker 4: out of all of us, because we've got nothing to

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Speaker 4: match it. They're out there and we're going to encounter them.

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Speaker 4: So maybe such a frightening proposition as that until they

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Speaker 4: figure out how to present it to the masses. That

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Speaker 4: could be part of it. Not that the masses can't

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Speaker 4: handle the existence of aliens, but the fact that, oh

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Speaker 4: my god, you know that's.

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Speaker 3: Fair, that they could just want to suppress this information

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Speaker 3: just for that alone, just the speculation of it, not

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Speaker 3: necessarily that it's real, just the speculation that this could occur.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you about this other specific case you

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Speaker 3: know in this community. There's this famous case from a

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Speaker 3: guy named Richard Dody and Paul Benowitz. Our producer Marie

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Speaker 3: is a big, big fan of Dody, and the story

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Speaker 3: basically goes just for everyone out there. Paul's this business

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Speaker 3: guy who lived near Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico.

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Speaker 3: He saw these lights in the sky, he photographed them.

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Speaker 3: He also recorded what he believed were signals from aliens,

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Speaker 3: and then Richard Dody goes to home. He's a counterintelligence officer,

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Speaker 3: and instead of correcting him, he actually fed him more disinformation,

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Speaker 3: reinforced his ideas that these signals were alien, gave him

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Speaker 3: false documents encouraged his delusions so that he would purposely,

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Speaker 3: you know, have the wrong idea that this was in

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Speaker 3: fact alien to hide the classified military projects that he

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Speaker 3: had actually discovered. What do you think about that?

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Speaker 4: Well, I've been good friends for several years with Greg Bishop,

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Speaker 4: who wrote probably the best book on that topic, Project Beta,

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Speaker 4: and I've read the book more than once.

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Speaker 5: Talked with Greg.

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Speaker 4: Having been an OSI agent and having been in Dody's

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Speaker 4: same specialty for a while, he did what I did,

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Speaker 4: the double agent op stuff. Here's what I can tell

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Speaker 4: you in my first year, second year as an agent,

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Speaker 4: going into my second year as an agent, I wanted

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Speaker 4: to take a look at something that had to do

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Speaker 4: with UFO world. And I'll leave it at that. But

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Speaker 4: my boss, she was the one who first told me

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Speaker 4: about Rick Dody, and he was presented to me as

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Speaker 4: a cautionary tale that he had done something connected with

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Speaker 4: people in the UFO world and he had really stepped

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Speaker 4: in it and really embarrassed and pissed off OSI headquarters

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Speaker 4: in the Air Force and stuff. So I knew him

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Speaker 4: as a cautionary tale. Here's Rick Dody. Don't be like

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Speaker 4: Rick Dody. But I never met the man in fact,

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Speaker 4: to this day, I've only had one interaction with him.

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Speaker 4: We DMed each other on Facebook and that was that

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Speaker 4: was a pleasant conversation, pretty basic. But after looking at

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Speaker 4: the case more closely, in reading Gregg's book a couple

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Speaker 4: of times, I can tell you that, yes, Dody did

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Speaker 4: some things. Everybody knows that that kind of we're out

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Speaker 4: of line with how Osi likes to do things. And

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Speaker 4: I totally get why he got in trouble with Headquarters

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Speaker 4: because when you're talking about particularly this material, giving that

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Speaker 4: fine tooth comb, Okay, Headquarters and Pentagon fine tooth comb

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Speaker 4: before you go doing any of that. And yes, some

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Speaker 4: of the things that he encouraged probably shouldn't have done that.

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Speaker 4: But I want to put this out there, and I'm

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Speaker 4: not just defending the air FORCESI people should reread that

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Speaker 4: book and take a close look at the NSA. I

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Speaker 4: have come away from that telling people the NSA is

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Speaker 4: the real culprit in that story because they were doing

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Speaker 4: the extra weird technological phenomena stuff. That is what really

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Speaker 4: pushed Benowitz over the edge because at one point Dody

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Speaker 4: and Bill Moore went to Paul and said Paul, this,

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Speaker 4: We're sorry. This was all you know they came clean, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they came clean. But the NSA didn't let up because

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Speaker 4: basically they could get away with it. And so NSA

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Speaker 4: has just as much fault as Air Force OSI in that.

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Speaker 4: But I rarely, if ever, hear people point that out.

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Speaker 4: I tell people all the time on this unless I

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Speaker 4: could see the actual case file, That's what I've expressed,

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Speaker 4: is all I've expressed. Because none of us have seen

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Speaker 4: the actual case file. We don't know certain key details

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Speaker 4: that might completely exonerate, you know, some people's view of

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Speaker 4: Rick Doty, or might incriminate further.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but that's completely fair, absolutely the file.

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Speaker 3: We're going to take a break here, Walter. When we

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Speaker 3: come back, we're going to talk to you more about

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Speaker 3: how this narrative is manipulated. I want to ask you

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Speaker 3: We are back on Beyond contact Captain Roun here talking

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Speaker 3: to Walter Bosley. Walter, there's that piece of Corey Good

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Speaker 3: who made these false claims about breakaway civilizations. Again, Breeze

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Speaker 3: a big fan that they had advanced, possibly alien technology,

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Speaker 3: and they would go off world in a secret space program,

652
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Speaker 3: unbeknownst to the rest of the world. Then it turns

653
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 3: out that he's lying, but the damage is already done

654
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 3: because this has been put out there even though he

655
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 3: was being disingenuous. You know what it feels like to

656
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 3: me when I read this. It's like when you're in

657
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 3: a courtroom and a prosecutor will say something outrageous like hey,

658
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 3: are you still beating your wife? And the defense is like,

659
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 3: what am an objection?

660
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 5: Wait?

661
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 3: Wait, and the judge will say sustained strike that, but

662
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 3: it's already out there. The jury already heard and is

663
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 3: thinking in the back of their head, Hey, maybe this

664
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: guy beats his wife. Is that the idea that they're

665
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 3: doing here?

666
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 4: You mean trying to discredit the real thing? Yes, by

667
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 4: putting someone out there crazy stories, Okay, by.

668
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 3: Spending them down a wrong rabbit hole.

669
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that I could totally And from the beginning

670
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 4: for me, the beginning with Corey Good was twenty fifteen.

671
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 4: That's when he appeared on my radar. I was one

672
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 4: of the speakers at the Secret Space Program conference. And

673
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 4: I want to add the word legitimate because before Corey

674
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 4: Good was handed the stage and the spotlight by people

675
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 4: who should have known better. There was legitimate SSP research

676
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 4: going on. Joseph Ferrell, Paul levill At, Mark McCandlish, Richard Dolan,

677
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 4: Catherine Austin fits and then I had the honor in

678
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen being a speaker at their event, and Corey

679
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 4: Good was being pushed on us, and we were asked

680
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 4: during a panel, how can you have this kind of conference?

681
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 4: And Corey goodnt be here. Well, I was the first

682
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 4: one to speak out. I said, because he doesn't qualify.

683
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 4: He's full of crap, you know. And there was a

684
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 4: bunch of us who knew this is a load of nonsense.

685
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 4: So here's what I think about that these SSP conferences,

686
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 4: legitimate ones. There had been I think twenty fifteen was

687
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 4: the third or fourth one, and the audiences were getting

688
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 4: bigger with each one. Now I was at twenty fourteen,

689
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 4: of course, spoke at twenty fifteen, and I could point

690
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 4: to you the most likely military government agents who were

691
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 4: in the audience taking notes. Okay, somebody was paying attention

692
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 4: to the research that was being done and what was

693
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 4: being uncovered about legitimate I prefer to call it classified

694
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 4: man space operations. What I think happened was it was

695
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 4: decided this needs to be derailed. It's gaining speed, gaining traction.

696
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 4: There's people starting to pay attention to it. We need

697
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 4: to derail this SSP legitimate discussion. So what can we do.

698
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 4: Lets us get behind him, push the liars, the storytellers,

699
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 4: the fakers like Corey Good, you know. And so the

700
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 4: way I see it, I can tell you from my

701
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 4: professional perspective, it's very possible that somebody representing Uncle Sam.

702
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 5: And all this.

703
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 4: And this is the way the intelligence world works, folks. Okay,

704
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 4: I was in it for years and years. I guarantee

705
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 4: somebody say it. Name a big show in our community,

706
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 4: big radio show.

707
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 5: Or whatever in the desert.

708
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 4: Let's say yeah, yeah, contact desert. There's going to be spooks, okay.

709
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 4: Intel types are moving in those circles, and the people

710
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 4: who run these shows are going to be friends with

711
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 4: these spooks, whether they know it or not. And here's

712
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 4: the thing. One of the spook in the mix could say, Hey,

713
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 4: I think you should feature this Corey Good guy. He's

714
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 4: talking about stuff that's really close to home. Now, Corey

715
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 4: Good completely unwitting because I don't know of any serious

716
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 4: intelligence officer agent that would have taken him seriously enough

717
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 4: to use him wittingly. But he's a useful idiot, and

718
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 4: you know, I could see him in his narrative being

719
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 4: pushed and given the spotlight to delegitimize SSP discussion, which

720
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 4: is exactly what happened. You know, all his nonsense that

721
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 4: he made up, half of it he stole from other people.

722
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 4: Just really, if you brought up SSP, people would laugh.

723
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 4: They talk about blue chickens and stuff, and forgotten is

724
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 4: all the work that you know, Ferrell and the others,

725
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 4: you know, Fits and all of them had been doing

726
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 4: for a few years.

727
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 3: I see, So it worn't you know what I mean?

728
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 3: And it works, Yeah, Walter. I want to ask you

729
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 3: what about the idea that they want to do a

730
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 3: false flag invasion and made people think we're under attack

731
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 3: by quote unquote aliens. Do you think A that's possible

732
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 3: and B what would be the reason for it?

733
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think it's possible. I think we've had development

734
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 4: of certain technologies like Project Bluebeam and Voice of God

735
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 4: and things like that that have been going on since

736
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 4: the fifties and sixties that were heading us in that direction. Now,

737
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 4: when you look at what can be done with drones, mix.

738
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Speaker 5: It with the AI.

739
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 4: Absolutely, we have now reached the point where they could

740
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 4: have picked your god, yahweh Christ, you know your prophet,

741
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 4: you know Cuthulu, you know Santa Claus, whoever picked the

742
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 4: entity the deity, and they could project that deity in

743
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 4: the sky convincingly to enough people. There's always going to

744
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 4: be people that are going to go, Okay, that's fake.

745
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 4: But if you have that critical mass majority, that's all

746
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 4: you need to cause your effect. And I think they

747
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 4: can do it easily, and I think at some point

748
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 4: it probably will be tried.

749
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 5: Yeah.

750
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 3: Interesting. You know what we're leaving out of this is

751
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 3: that you were, in fact the counterintelligent expert. So I

752
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 3: have to ask, how do we know listening to you

753
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 3: that you're not providing us disinformation? Right now? I have

754
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 3: to ask. Bries said, don't believe anything you say, and

755
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 3: I said, no, no, Let's give this guy a chance. So

756
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 3: let's see what what's your answer to that.

757
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 4: I'd be getting a paycheck for one thing. You'd see

758
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 4: it reflected in the car I drive and where I live,

759
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 4: Because if I were doing that, I'd be on a payroll,

760
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 4: and believe me, I'm not the fact that I reveal

761
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 4: some of the things I reveal and point out some

762
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 4: of the things I point out. But really that's always

763
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 4: been a good question. You don't know initially it really

764
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 4: I think with time it becomes answered because the ones

765
00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 4: who are the disinformation agents that comes out that eventually, Like,

766
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 4: there's a lot of people now that I think realize

767
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 4: that Luella's ondo. There's a lot of bs there, no

768
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,479
Speaker 4: matter how much initially there's for God's sake, there's people

769
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 4: who took care at Good seriously, and you know, they

770
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 4: just wouldn't believe that he was full of crap and lying,

771
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 4: this narcissistic creep until they saw the thing in court

772
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 4: where he admitted it under oath that it was his

773
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 4: ip that he made it up. What happens is the

774
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 4: guys who are the fakers, they're really going to dig

775
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 4: in to latch into your belief system, and they're going

776
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 4: to manipulate that because they want to get at your

777
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 4: heart and soul, because that's how they convince you that

778
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 4: they're the real deal. They're legitimate. And you know me,

779
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 4: I'll take my lumps. Oh he was this so he's

780
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 4: lying to us. But with time, you know, with a

781
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 4: lot of people, I've had people come to me and say,

782
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 4: you know what, You're.

783
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 5: The real deal.

784
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 4: There's never been anything that has come out that said

785
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 4: you were faking it.

786
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 3: We're almost out of time already. This is about the

787
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 3: fastest forty minutes I think I've ever done on this show.

788
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this before you leave. I want

789
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 3: to ask you about you have an alternative idea to

790
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 3: what happened at Roswell, and I want to know what

791
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 3: that is.

792
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I think it's very very possible. I don't

793
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 4: know for sure, but I think it's very possible that

794
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 4: what Roswell actually was was the first American attempt at

795
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 4: manned spaceflight. Now this remember this was in the first

796
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 4: couple of years of the Cold War. The paranoia and

797
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 4: tension level was high. We didn't even know. We just

798
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 4: wanted to keep everything under a tight lid from the Soviets, right,

799
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 4: We didn't even completely know everything that we needed to

800
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 4: keep quiet, so we kept everything. We would have kept

801
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 4: everything quiet, hush hush, and at that time, in that context,

802
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 4: with what was believed was at stake, it would have

803
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 4: been easier to let people think it was little gray

804
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 4: men from another world. But the main part that supports

805
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 4: my hypothesis is you had the right guys all in

806
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 4: the same place at the same time, with endless amounts

807
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 4: of money and a charter to do these amazing things

808
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 4: with aerospace technology, aerospace medicine, which you can't put people

809
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 4: in space without the aerospace medicine specialist because they build

810
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 4: the life support systems. Okay, they keep us alive up there.

811
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 4: And you had the aerospace engineers, both the German and

812
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 4: the Americans. Okay, So all these guys in the same

813
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 4: place at the same time. And where is this crash?

814
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 5: Oh, New Mexico.

815
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 4: It's not like it was in the middle of some

816
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 4: place where it's not near military, so.

817
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 3: Happened to be there? Well, you know what, that's not bad.

818
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 3: I would look into this deeper and take your account

819
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 3: on it. Of course, I'm a big fan of Roswell

820
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 3: and the mainstream narrative that it is ailiing them, but

821
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 3: that's an interesting perspective. We are out of time. I'm

822
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 3: so sorry this went so fast, but thanks a lot

823
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 3: Walter for coming on really great stuff. We'll definitely have

824
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 3: to do it again. You guys can find Walter at

825
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 3: Walter Bosley dot com.

826
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Speaker 6: Check it out.

827
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 3: He's got a lot of different books on a lot

828
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 3: of different topics, and as you can see, he's a

829
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 3: fascinating guy. Thanks for coming on, Walter. You guys can

830
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Speaker 3: find me on Twitter and Instagram at CID Underscore Captain Ron.

831
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