WEBVTT - 96: Sex Lies & CD-Roms

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Nightcall, a production of I Heart Radio. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one forty seven am in the St. Mark's Church Rectory

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<v Speaker 1>and you're listening to Night Call. Hello, and welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to Night Call, of podcast for your strange days and

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<v Speaker 1>lonely nights. I'm here in l A. My name is

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<v Speaker 1>Tess Lynch and with me as always are Emily Yoshida

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<v Speaker 1>and Molly Lambert. Guys, we have a lot of robots

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<v Speaker 1>to cover. At the top of the show, it's our

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<v Speaker 1>brief robot conversations last week spot News. Um. First off,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a follow up on what we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about last week. Does Wally have a gender? Is he male?

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<v Speaker 1>Is Evie female? Um? I looked into this and I

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<v Speaker 1>found Kate Brenstein's blog. She has a whole essay on this.

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<v Speaker 1>I will quote from it. Yes, Eve is Eve Evie.

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<v Speaker 1>Eve is pretty pertly streamlined. Eve's eyes literally sparkle and dance.

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<v Speaker 1>Eve giggles for Heaven's sake. Eve is kick ass, strong

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<v Speaker 1>and powerful. Eve is performing fem while e is rugged

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<v Speaker 1>and protective and shy and loyal. While he is is

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<v Speaker 1>a sensitive little thing held together by sheer will and

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<v Speaker 1>rubber bands. While he is performing butch I believe this

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<v Speaker 1>is the definitive answer. Okay, I'm gonna say, I believe

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<v Speaker 1>that robots can perform gender, right, they can perform gender,

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<v Speaker 1>but they cannot have a gender exactly because the gender

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<v Speaker 1>is robot. The gender is robot. Robot is is their

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<v Speaker 1>gender agreed? But wait, does that mean that? Okay, never mind,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to get into an even authority or

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<v Speaker 1>discussion of gender podcasts. No, absolutely not. Um, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>they're they should. They should revel in their freedom from

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<v Speaker 1>having to deal with this question at all. We should

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<v Speaker 1>let them have that. Um. We also got an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>tip from listener Angela Um, who sent us an article

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<v Speaker 1>This is a Very night Call article from Smithsonian Magazine

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<v Speaker 1>about how in a Chinese restaurant in Pasadena called to

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<v Speaker 1>Panda Deli put a pair of quote disco blasting robots

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<v Speaker 1>to work as servers. The article goes on to say

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<v Speaker 1>each Japanese built robot purportedly cost twenty THO dollars about

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<v Speaker 1>forty five THO dollars adjusted for inflation. But we're prone

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<v Speaker 1>to dropping things and letting radio interference make them go

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<v Speaker 1>a bit haywire when they work. They were a hit

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<v Speaker 1>telling jokes and delivering food to customers who were assured

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<v Speaker 1>that this would be the future of the restaurant business.

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<v Speaker 1>In the mid nineteen eighties, the robots gained some national

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<v Speaker 1>press in typical News of the World, Fashion and so

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<v Speaker 1>it was there's a blurb about how the robots were

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<v Speaker 1>just so not technologically advanced that they would just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like switch between languages, like they would drop food

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<v Speaker 1>all over the place. They wouldn't know what to do

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<v Speaker 1>when something was in their path. So it's a very

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<v Speaker 1>short lived expect The police radios interfered with if they

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<v Speaker 1>got too confused by commands, they would say, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>my problem, which relatable, Yeah, totally, especially if he worked

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<v Speaker 1>as a server was trying to radical as the robot

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<v Speaker 1>service army. That's been a big theme on our show. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean this feels very eighties and that like they

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<v Speaker 1>have to like demarcate that it's a Japanese built robot,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's also what a Chinese Chinese restaurant. It does

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<v Speaker 1>feel like also that first wave of eighties, like the

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<v Speaker 1>robots are coming to take over jobs, which now we're

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<v Speaker 1>back in again kind of. But it was just cute

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<v Speaker 1>then and then it was just like shorthand for Japanese

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<v Speaker 1>people too. Um, and now it's just actually, the robots

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<v Speaker 1>are indeed coming for our jobs. They are. They're always

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<v Speaker 1>making service robots. They're never making like management class robots,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're making journalism robots are What you don't know

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<v Speaker 1>about this? What do you mean? Uh? Yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>you know about Like tons of blogs are just automated content. Now, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know read one where you're like, who could

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<v Speaker 1>this be written human? Yeah? I thought those were still

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<v Speaker 1>written by a person, just badly. No, I think that

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<v Speaker 1>you can auto generate. I mean, like, have you ever

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<v Speaker 1>this is like there's a moment in vander Pump Rules

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<v Speaker 1>when Jack's goes to Vegas and sees a robot bartender

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like, my job. Yeah, He's just like, I

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<v Speaker 1>can make a better drink than the robot. Yeah. I mean, well,

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<v Speaker 1>the content that the robot, the journalis and robots right

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<v Speaker 1>now are generally is content that I have been paid

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<v Speaker 1>to generate before but have not generated in some time.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is that kind of totally mindless, Like here's

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<v Speaker 1>some of the top moments from this week's Kardashians episode,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that kind of thing which I used to do,

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<v Speaker 1>like I get, I used to get payment outsources. But

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<v Speaker 1>I also think that there are some celebrity like info

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<v Speaker 1>on celebrities where you can tell because at first you

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<v Speaker 1>could think, okay, this could just be like run through

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<v Speaker 1>Google Translate. But they have the same cadence as the

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<v Speaker 1>chat bots, so that's what makes it identifiable. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>like the same weird phrases that nobody actually uses and

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't probably pop up in what if they outsourced podcasting

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<v Speaker 1>to bots? Oh they will know. Well, we're about to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Well, we will talk later in the episode

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<v Speaker 1>about a particular kind of podcast that I think could

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<v Speaker 1>very easily be outsourced to bot. I think you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>But first let's talk about a cutie robot named Bali.

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<v Speaker 1>Bolly is the non threatening smart robot that was recently

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<v Speaker 1>rolled out by Samsung. It is a service robot, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's basically like a what are the robot vacuum cleaners?

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<v Speaker 1>Like a roomba, but it looks like a tennis ball.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a prototype. Still it looks like b B eight

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<v Speaker 1>but it's only yeah, just one little ball. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the head balancing on top, and they purposely tried

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<v Speaker 1>to make it non threatening looking and it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be affordably priced. Um, but it's terrifying. It's terrifying because

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<v Speaker 1>it follows you around at a quote unquote safe distance

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<v Speaker 1>or comfortable distance. Like it follows you. It looks like

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<v Speaker 1>about three and a half feet behind you and it

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<v Speaker 1>won't stop until you ask it to go away. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, it's like the one from the Miley episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Black Mirrors. Yeah, this is sort of like it's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of my dream of what I wanted in a robot.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just wanted one that would play music for me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all that I want. Like, you know, people like

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes that's a radio, yeah, but like not if you're

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<v Speaker 1>not in the car. You could bring a radio where

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<v Speaker 1>you don't. You have like a little portable wind up radio.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a portable wind up rate for emergency. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not like a normal Yeah. That's an eighties earthquake kicks building. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's when when power doesn't work after there and

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<v Speaker 1>the wind if work, because I probably I have one

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<v Speaker 1>that's probably from the eighties. It will work work in

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<v Speaker 1>the case of an EMP of a what an e

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<v Speaker 1>MP an electric magnetic Oh of course, of course, I think, well,

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<v Speaker 1>the deal is the real thing we have to prepare. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like an n T like I think if

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<v Speaker 1>you're a doctor of nose and throats, like, it should

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<v Speaker 1>still work for you. It works the Electronic Music Project

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<v Speaker 1>interesting where we are? You guys are not hipto a

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<v Speaker 1>e MP like that's like that is a doomsday threat.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's like the scenario in which all

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<v Speaker 1>like it could come from a solar flare or something.

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<v Speaker 1>All I was scared about was that it would take

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<v Speaker 1>down the Internet, and which would probably for me personally

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<v Speaker 1>only the positive that would be great, But it would

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<v Speaker 1>take down everything that runs on electricity like nothing. They

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<v Speaker 1>made a really bad show on ABC, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>five or six years ago that was about this, about

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<v Speaker 1>like a total blackout. It's like a permanent blackout and

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<v Speaker 1>you can never have any power anymore. And it's just like,

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<v Speaker 1>but then you're going to really want that wind up radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's what I'm asked, But it won't give you

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<v Speaker 1>a radio. Wouldn't You might be able to pick up

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<v Speaker 1>like like it, but if the power is off at

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<v Speaker 1>the radio station, can they even know that? You would

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<v Speaker 1>be anything but you know what it can do. That's

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<v Speaker 1>cool as it makes like a really loud siren noise.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's not related to anything else. No, I've definitely

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<v Speaker 1>thought about the like the no technology apocalypse, um, because

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<v Speaker 1>anytime I go somewhere that has no technology, like if

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<v Speaker 1>you go up the Central Coast or something, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>off the grid, even for like a night or two,

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<v Speaker 1>it does make you realize how reliant all of us

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<v Speaker 1>are on it to a degree that is unhealthy. I

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<v Speaker 1>was just thinking about this. I was like, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>the world's most boring drug, electricity. Yeah, I just like

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<v Speaker 1>what a what A like not that fun thing to

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<v Speaker 1>be addicted to. It's like sugar. It's like you don't

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<v Speaker 1>even think about how addicted yard sugar until you try

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<v Speaker 1>to deliberately take it out of your day, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you really withdraw hard. Like I'm drinking a ginger ale

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<v Speaker 1>and looking across the table at a bag full of candy. Yeah. An,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a Halloween candy, Like a giant plastic bag

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<v Speaker 1>filled with mini candy bars. Just how they keep us

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<v Speaker 1>podcast until the box get here. Exactly sugar in electricity,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm on the fence about Bali though I have

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<v Speaker 1>to say I have to. I feel like I have

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<v Speaker 1>to pronounce it. Balls, I thought to view because you

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<v Speaker 1>were such a b B eight I know, and I

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<v Speaker 1>want a little like that's what I want out of that.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's like there's one with wings on it from

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<v Speaker 1>an anime that people I want. I want. What I

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<v Speaker 1>want is this Robots and Sailor Moon that TV Sailor

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<v Speaker 1>Moon has called Luna pe. It's a cat head that

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<v Speaker 1>floats around. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the best. And

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<v Speaker 1>she can like turn it, she can press a button

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<v Speaker 1>on it and turn it into anything she wants it

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<v Speaker 1>to be. That's what I want. Here's what it just

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<v Speaker 1>is a companion. Oh it's just a friend. Yeah, just

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<v Speaker 1>a babysitter because she's like a kid and she's like

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<v Speaker 1>she's like on her own, So she has a robot,

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<v Speaker 1>it says BOLLI would be like a baby monitor. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what their advertised. But also it said in the venture

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<v Speaker 1>Beat article that covered this, it said that it could

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<v Speaker 1>be used to spy on your kids to let you

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<v Speaker 1>know if they're doing their homework, which made me really

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<v Speaker 1>freaked out because I'm like, well, then you can be

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<v Speaker 1>spying on your spouse. You can be like spying. It's terrible,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's all technology, right, Yeah, but that's bad. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want a little tennis ball that's like creeping around. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so much more sinister because they made it look

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<v Speaker 1>tried to make it not look sinister. Well, here's what

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<v Speaker 1>I think. I think we could still have these things,

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<v Speaker 1>but they have to be like homebrew robots. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you mean, like like we get someone who's not part

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<v Speaker 1>of the surveillor state that it's kind of like open

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<v Speaker 1>source your hit and then it's up to you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you make it yourself. You have control of the network,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's not going to be sending your data to

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<v Speaker 1>some whore. You know. People could still hack it, probably, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but what would you use it for though? What would

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<v Speaker 1>be It's like design it just to have a little

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<v Speaker 1>friend to follow, a little just a buddy, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what I do. Like when I'm wandering around

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<v Speaker 1>the house getting ready and I'm listening to podcasts or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just taking my phone in my hand with me,

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<v Speaker 1>and if that was just floating behind my head and

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<v Speaker 1>playing and following me around and playing my podcast, So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have to remember pick it up, or I

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<v Speaker 1>could like you both you could get well. I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend got the most amazing boom box from the

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<v Speaker 1>swap meet in MacArthur Park. There's like this electronics store

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<v Speaker 1>that faces the street had a lot of amazing boombox

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<v Speaker 1>type things with microphones and amazing LED displays. And I've

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<v Speaker 1>been really thinking like maybe this is the way I

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<v Speaker 1>use my radio all the time. And I used to

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<v Speaker 1>have a boombox that was like a kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>early two thousands boom box that played CDs, which also

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<v Speaker 1>I had, and all the time. I was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>find a DVD and video player a while ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like where can I find those? And everybody

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<v Speaker 1>was like two thousand three? But somebody at a record

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<v Speaker 1>store gave me one because they had one, So you

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<v Speaker 1>can get one still at like you know best, but

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<v Speaker 1>and they cost twenty It's incredible. Um. But I also

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<v Speaker 1>like watching like a regular TV now because I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not a camera, it's not tracking my location. That

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<v Speaker 1>is relaxing in and of itself. Because you were watching

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<v Speaker 1>everything on a laptop for a while. I was like

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<v Speaker 1>a very early adopter of oh my god, I was

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<v Speaker 1>watching a Sex in the City episode of US Night

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<v Speaker 1>or Samantha's Like, you can get a DVD delivered, It's fabulous,

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I was like pirrating things when you could.

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<v Speaker 1>First I was like, Oh, movies on the screen and

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<v Speaker 1>I can just like search for any movie I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to see. Like that sounds great, But now I

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<v Speaker 1>do feel like there's just like too much choice and

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<v Speaker 1>also not enough, Like I never want to watch anything

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<v Speaker 1>that's on any of the streaming platforms except maybe some

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<v Speaker 1>weird like deep cuts on Hulu that I find. I

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<v Speaker 1>still couldn't get you on board of the Kaminsky method

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<v Speaker 1>so horrible. I'm just waiting for the next hit a

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<v Speaker 1>Kamanski taking its time. I respect your commitment to the

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<v Speaker 1>Kaminsky method. There's no way to do it seems so easy.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna take a quick break for an ad and

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<v Speaker 1>when we come back, we're going to talk about a

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<v Speaker 1>fun field trip and only went on. Welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>night Call, Molly. You went on a very special adventure

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<v Speaker 1>this past week, um into the home of one of

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<v Speaker 1>our faves. I got in the zone. Was it spiritual?

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<v Speaker 1>The shrine? I went to the zone. Brittany the zone,

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<v Speaker 1>the Britney Spears experience. Were you in the zone, was

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<v Speaker 1>in the zone? I was alone in the zone and

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<v Speaker 1>never alone in the zone. I wasn't like fully that

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<v Speaker 1>I was with a group, but I wish I had

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<v Speaker 1>gone with you guys, because I realized halfway throughout it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is like you're supposed to do it with a friend,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can take pictures of each other and like

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<v Speaker 1>experience it with so black and that's the point of

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<v Speaker 1>like all pop ups, it's just a thing to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just like, you know, okay, time to enter

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<v Speaker 1>the void alone like a psycho not you know, but

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<v Speaker 1>then I needed people to help me take good pictures.

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<v Speaker 1>I want a full guided tour of Britney. Yeah what so,

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<v Speaker 1>so tell us what this is, why it is where

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<v Speaker 1>it is. I was asked by my editor at the

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<v Speaker 1>l A Times, Craig Bars, if I wanted to write

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<v Speaker 1>about it, and I said, of course. Um, it is

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<v Speaker 1>in a former km art across from the Grove. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in this amazing mini mall that has really not changed,

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<v Speaker 1>even though the grove has been across from it years now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like the Brittany Museum is next to the Whig Store,

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<v Speaker 1>which the Whole Foods though, yeah, but still like there's

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<v Speaker 1>an Italian restaurant and it used to be really good

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<v Speaker 1>type place. I don't know if it's the whole vibe

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<v Speaker 1>is perfect for Brittany. The Zone um, and it is. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a pop up experience put on by a production

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<v Speaker 1>company in conjunction with like a merchandizing agency. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>basically like a store to buy Brittany merchandise and then

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<v Speaker 1>also ten rooms, each one themed after a different Britney

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<v Speaker 1>Spears video with immersive experiences and a bracelet, a chip

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<v Speaker 1>bracelet that you scan to make videos in different parts

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<v Speaker 1>of it Brittain Chip Britney Land Yikes. A chip bracelet

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<v Speaker 1>that says a zone on it. It was like an

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<v Speaker 1>hour after I left the Zone that I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to get the bracelet off one tracking me.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait did you did you leave with it on? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it just a paper braceletter? You don't know, it's like, um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a backstage. Yeah, it's on a it's on

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<v Speaker 1>like a just a piece of fabric. But it's like

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<v Speaker 1>the Coachella on the app. Yeah, it has a little

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<v Speaker 1>chip in it, but then it's like was pulled too

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<v Speaker 1>tight and I like went into a place to be

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<v Speaker 1>like cut this off me right now. It was an anklet.

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<v Speaker 1>But um, the zone is basically an escape room, but

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<v Speaker 1>like foreign escape to the past. You know. Um, it's

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<v Speaker 1>definitely for people in their thirties. Yeah, um to be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>remember twenty years ago, don't you wish it was still

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<v Speaker 1>that a little bit instead of now? Remember when you

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<v Speaker 1>had what you thought the future was going to be, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the crazy video. Yeah remember the TRL the

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<v Speaker 1>late nineties turn of the millennium projection of the future

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<v Speaker 1>where everything was going to be like Vinyl oh final

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<v Speaker 1>body suits, everything in. Yeah, that was a good future

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<v Speaker 1>and then it got dystopian in like a much worse

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<v Speaker 1>and boringer way. Okay, but I would not look back

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<v Speaker 1>on the music, particularly the music videos of Britney Spears

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<v Speaker 1>and be like, ah, yes, I wish I could live there,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what you think. But now the first okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>the first room is hit me maybe one more time,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just like a classroom set. Um, did you

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<v Speaker 1>get costumes? No costumes. There are like some interactive lockers

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<v Speaker 1>you you can write a note to Brittany and like

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<v Speaker 1>leave it in a locker and when there's like a

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<v Speaker 1>tiny basketball hoop and tiny pink basketballs, you can play basketball, um,

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<v Speaker 1>just like in the video, and they show video on

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<v Speaker 1>a giant screen. I mean there's a classroom set that

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<v Speaker 1>just looks like a porn set, which obviously I was

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<v Speaker 1>a big pan, but they just show the video on

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<v Speaker 1>a giant screen. It's like it's an art installation of

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<v Speaker 1>that music video. It just it just makes you think

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<v Speaker 1>about like where you were at these different moments in

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<v Speaker 1>time a lot. It's a lot of like simula simula.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you know, I've never been a big fan of

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<v Speaker 1>pop up museums because they like take over spaces that

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<v Speaker 1>should be turned into like homeless shelters, and then they're

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<v Speaker 1>like the Fruit Museum, you know, like jump in a

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<v Speaker 1>pile of clementine. It's so crazy, see that. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>the world where it just seems like a trick to

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<v Speaker 1>give everyone the flu Like the wall listen into the

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<v Speaker 1>history because I guess they were like invented by the

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<v Speaker 1>Museum of ice Cream a couple of years ago, which

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<v Speaker 1>that was more than a couple of years ago, according

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<v Speaker 1>Museum of ice Cream is kind of really that's the

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<v Speaker 1>article about it. But they invented the sprinkle pool, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the like the centerpiece of money experience. I was

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<v Speaker 1>actually I was so disappointed when the first time I

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<v Speaker 1>heard about the Museum of ice Cream, because I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I would actually like to go to like a historical museum.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean just the idea of the selfie museum, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as a thing of like, oh, people are taking selfies

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<v Speaker 1>in front of art, so let's just like cut out

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<v Speaker 1>the middleman that is the art and just make it

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<v Speaker 1>places to take selfies in front of. However, the Brittany

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<v Speaker 1>Museum is like fraught with a lot more meaning in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that like it does feel like an art

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<v Speaker 1>installation where you're like I'm thinking about a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff in this space ace and not just like taking

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<v Speaker 1>selfies mindlessly, but like mindfully. Is it more or less

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<v Speaker 1>spiritual than the helmet of Climp show? At the there

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<v Speaker 1>is a spiritual component, which is that um so there's

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<v Speaker 1>like different the other different rooms where like oops, I

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<v Speaker 1>did it again, a space room. There's a room is

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<v Speaker 1>a stronger video that has metal chairs and like a

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<v Speaker 1>weird like shutter. It's like her dancing on a chair.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just her jump like like it's like a solo

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<v Speaker 1>dance video, like a Janet Jackson like routine with a

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<v Speaker 1>chair where she's like playing a chair all around. It's

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<v Speaker 1>about her taking control of her womanhood. It's a great video,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's also like a weird one to do a

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<v Speaker 1>room around. So it's just a black box with chairs

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<v Speaker 1>in it, which is very like it's like so weird.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the rain room at Lacma or something. It did.

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<v Speaker 1>They have one where you can get in an argument

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<v Speaker 1>with Stephen Dorff, but they have Me against the Music

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<v Speaker 1>where you can dance with like a Brittany impersonator who's

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side of a wall. She was not

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<v Speaker 1>working the day we were there, and you get to

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<v Speaker 1>be Madonna with the cane and that's when you scan

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<v Speaker 1>the bracelet and it's like now a countdown and then

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<v Speaker 1>it's like you do your dance. I saw Katie from

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<v Speaker 1>the Under Pump Rolls did it um with the cane

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<v Speaker 1>where you get to do it on the other side

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<v Speaker 1>of the so stuff like that. And that was where

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<v Speaker 1>there was like a swing with a fake autumn background,

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<v Speaker 1>which um, I guess that's from me against the music video,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was a great photo, thank you. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was a deep cut reference to my favorite Brittney song,

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<v Speaker 1>Autumn Goodbye. There's like some easter eggs. Like the people

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<v Speaker 1>who made it, I think, like Brittany genuinely they would

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<v Speaker 1>have to write, yeah, well it's a marketing from those yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's also like they they said, right generation there

0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:50.680
<v Speaker 1>also probably yeah exactly, and it has like a sense

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<v Speaker 1>of humor, like it's not it is strange. But the

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<v Speaker 1>best part is the Blackout room, the Blackout phase, which

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<v Speaker 1>was like when Brittany got fifty fifty and had sort

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<v Speaker 1>of her personal low point to represent that just like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Erec is also it's people's favorite album and it's the

0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:11.760
<v Speaker 1>best album. It's a chapel and it's like there's no

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<v Speaker 1>pictures of Brittany. You can't even really take a selfie

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<v Speaker 1>in it. But it's like sort of like a Romeo

0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:21.600
<v Speaker 1>and Juliette bos Lerman like chapel to Brittany with like

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<v Speaker 1>blackout stained glass windows and like this altar with just

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<v Speaker 1>like the cover of Blackout like a neon rectangle and

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<v Speaker 1>then just like led candles everywhere and like flowers and hearts. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was like where I had a spiritual expa Imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>did you forget you were in a formermart? Yes? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like I would stay in here all day,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if I weren't with a group and moving along, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I would totally just hang out here forever because it's

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<v Speaker 1>like great, it's a great space. And they said they've

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<v Speaker 1>had requests already for people to get married in there.

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<v Speaker 1>I just liked the idea. I was like, Oh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>grace like and it's like a secular space of worship

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<v Speaker 1>for like someone that we love, but also like they

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to be here for us to like worship

0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:11.640
<v Speaker 1>them at this point, it's probably better for everyone if

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<v Speaker 1>they're not. So who else was there when you were there? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>did you see a good mix of ages and stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>Or was there pretty much everyone? It was a little

0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:24.480
<v Speaker 1>people in their twenties and thirties, and um, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a couple there who seemed to be having the most

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<v Speaker 1>fun of anyone because they were like like one of

0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:32.520
<v Speaker 1>them was like looking at this Brittany infinity mirror and

0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:34.080
<v Speaker 1>everyone was like, what's this? And he was like our

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<v Speaker 1>future bathroom and they also told the guide at the

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<v Speaker 1>end that there's apparently like a gay sex club a

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<v Speaker 1>few blocks away, also called the Zone. They were like, oh, yeah,

0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:50.040
<v Speaker 1>we heard that. They thought it was funny, like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like they seemed to be having the best time, and

0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:54.360
<v Speaker 1>they also were like take had a buddy to take

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<v Speaker 1>photos of each other. And then there were some people

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<v Speaker 1>with camera, people who were like YouTubers I imagine, and

0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:04.080
<v Speaker 1>who were like coming with their own person filming them

0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:07.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of dressed up from the thing. And then there

0:24:07.440 --> 0:24:13.320
<v Speaker 1>was me reporting on this zone, lurking in the shadows

0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:15.760
<v Speaker 1>of the zone. Um, yeah, I had a really good time,

0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:18.880
<v Speaker 1>and um, I know a lot of people who are going.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of weird when you think, when you

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<v Speaker 1>were talking earlier about how the vision of the future

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<v Speaker 1>from the kind of like you know, late nineties or

0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:32.000
<v Speaker 1>mid nineties to late nineties, how everybody was so obsessed

0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:35.640
<v Speaker 1>with thinking about the future, and now everyone is only

0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:40.720
<v Speaker 1>thinking about the past. It seems very dark. It is

0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:47.040
<v Speaker 1>to be explored later, Yeah, I mean exactly, to be

0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:51.240
<v Speaker 1>explored never very much like consciously like a respite from

0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:53.959
<v Speaker 1>the darkness. Well, I mean that's what that's what's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of interesting is when you have these pop up museums,

0:24:57.240 --> 0:25:01.280
<v Speaker 1>there is this kind of inherent sinnis them, Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and I find them deeply creepy maybe, and and also

0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:10.280
<v Speaker 1>just so shallow and so so kind of obviously not

0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:14.520
<v Speaker 1>anything physical, you know. It's it's like a very two

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:19.119
<v Speaker 1>dimensional opiate like yeah, I don't know. It's like everything

0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:21.440
<v Speaker 1>is a respite. Yes, yes, we all need a respite.

0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:23.840
<v Speaker 1>But what if all of culture is now a rescie? Yeah,

0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:27.520
<v Speaker 1>but that's cool about the Brittany thing is that it's

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<v Speaker 1>a commentary on that maybe I'm reaching. It feels like

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<v Speaker 1>a commentary whether it means who are not because it's

0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:37.399
<v Speaker 1>like a children's museum for adults. That's what they all are.

0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:38.960
<v Speaker 1>That's that's what they all are. But this is like

0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:42.280
<v Speaker 1>about someone who's like in an arrested state of childhood

0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:45.240
<v Speaker 1>in our cultural memory in many ways, and like there

0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:47.680
<v Speaker 1>are no pictures of her now. It's very much like

0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 1>like take a journey through her life and like don't

0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:53.480
<v Speaker 1>talk about what's going on right this moment because we

0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:56.240
<v Speaker 1>just want to appreciate. But does also make you be

0:25:56.359 --> 0:25:58.240
<v Speaker 1>like she has such a body of work that like

0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:02.280
<v Speaker 1>she cant higher if she wants to, Like she shouldn't

0:26:02.320 --> 0:26:04.880
<v Speaker 1>have to make anything else. She doesn't get to decide,

0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:07.200
<v Speaker 1>which is the horrible thing. Yeah, I mean I know

0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:08.920
<v Speaker 1>they didn't use that. It's a pop up. It's not

0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:11.480
<v Speaker 1>a museum. It's something using the word museum like a

0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:15.680
<v Speaker 1>lot of places use it. It's an experience. It's an experience. Like.

0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:18.920
<v Speaker 1>But the thing is that like, at some point, if

0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:21.800
<v Speaker 1>there is a future, uh, there should be a Brittany

0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Spears museum, um, like in her hometown or something that's

0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:27.960
<v Speaker 1>like a presidential library or something like that. And it's

0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:32.560
<v Speaker 1>weird to think about that, like a presidential library obviously

0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 1>in Louisia where she is one. Yeah, I think there

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:40.040
<v Speaker 1>maybe is one in her hometown. That's kind of like

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:46.200
<v Speaker 1>like an ad hoc type like enthusiasm, Yeah, like local

0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:49.159
<v Speaker 1>hero type thing. I mean, yeah, it's just like but

0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:51.040
<v Speaker 1>like I would also just want there to be like

0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:54.760
<v Speaker 1>an actually academic and like honest look at the life

0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:57.280
<v Speaker 1>of Brittany and like what she represented and where she

0:26:57.400 --> 0:27:00.560
<v Speaker 1>sat in history and why she was significant. And you know,

0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:02.880
<v Speaker 1>obviously lots of journalists and critics and stuff will write

0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:04.600
<v Speaker 1>about her in that way, but like and have written

0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:08.679
<v Speaker 1>about her in that way. But like when all museums

0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:11.960
<v Speaker 1>are like experiences that are just like these sort of

0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:17.520
<v Speaker 1>worshipful walks down nostalgia lane, it just feels like maybe

0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:19.200
<v Speaker 1>that's all the only way we're going to be able

0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:21.000
<v Speaker 1>to look back on the past is like with rose

0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:23.520
<v Speaker 1>colored glasses or something. I don't know, well, I mean,

0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:27.000
<v Speaker 1>I think part of it is that it kind of

0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:29.800
<v Speaker 1>also alludes to the fact that there's so much we

0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:31.919
<v Speaker 1>don't know, you know, and that if there were an

0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:35.520
<v Speaker 1>actual museum, there would have to be information about what's

0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:38.159
<v Speaker 1>going on with her now, which is perplexing and not

0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:41.639
<v Speaker 1>going to have challenging So instead they kind of serve

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:48.960
<v Speaker 1>you something to counteract this like other movement going on. Interesting. Yeah,

0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:51.600
<v Speaker 1>it feels like, you know, again, this is the thing

0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I've had. I haven't had this conversation with many people,

0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:56.920
<v Speaker 1>by the way, where it's like like we've stopped assuming

0:27:56.960 --> 0:27:58.560
<v Speaker 1>that there is going to be a future because I'm

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:00.880
<v Speaker 1>just like, well, in the future, like maybe we will

0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 1>find out what's been going on this whole time, Like

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:05.399
<v Speaker 1>that will be uncovered in the way that like a

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:07.359
<v Speaker 1>lot of you know, like a bad example is like

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:09.680
<v Speaker 1>Michael Jackson or something where it's like somebody is so

0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:13.200
<v Speaker 1>famous and obviously troubled and a lot of it is

0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:16.440
<v Speaker 1>shrouded mystery, and then like maybe after their death is

0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:18.280
<v Speaker 1>when all of that stuff comes out. And not that

0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:20.920
<v Speaker 1>I think that anything that dark is necessarily happening with Brittany,

0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:23.359
<v Speaker 1>although something dark is definitely happening with her, but like

0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:25.760
<v Speaker 1>we are not going to be in the position to

0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:29.200
<v Speaker 1>know about that so long as like she's around. I

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:32.000
<v Speaker 1>feel like it's interesting that somebody can be so famous

0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:34.520
<v Speaker 1>so she is, and there is so much that we

0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:36.760
<v Speaker 1>don't know about her. That's also why she's like the

0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:39.560
<v Speaker 1>perfect star, because she's like Maryland, You're just like you

0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:42.920
<v Speaker 1>can't really get away with that anymore you start out now,

0:28:42.960 --> 0:28:45.440
<v Speaker 1>I feel like, but there's also something where it's like, yeah,

0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:47.719
<v Speaker 1>you can't. They would love for someone to be as

0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:49.320
<v Speaker 1>big of a star as Brittany and the way that

0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 1>she was a star. And it also is like sort

0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:54.120
<v Speaker 1>of a museum to dead technology because there's like magazine

0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 1>covers and like thing, you know, physical CDs as an

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:03.680
<v Speaker 1>ideas just it it's very nostalgic, but it made me

0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:08.920
<v Speaker 1>feel things. So it's art is art, So speaking of

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:13.520
<v Speaker 1>spiritual experiences. I have a friend who recently clued me

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:18.640
<v Speaker 1>into the phenomenon known as sleep casts, which I did

0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:21.240
<v Speaker 1>not know about. I'm sure a lot of our listeners

0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:24.920
<v Speaker 1>probably already know about this. UM The app Headspace has

0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:29.360
<v Speaker 1>what are called sleep casts, and they're not a s

0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:32.960
<v Speaker 1>MR and they're not super narrative, but there is a

0:29:33.120 --> 0:29:37.440
<v Speaker 1>narrative component. They are forty five minute long podcasts intended

0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:41.680
<v Speaker 1>to lull you to sleep. So on the headspace um

0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:45.520
<v Speaker 1>website it's as similar to Bedtime story. Sleep cast take

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:48.440
<v Speaker 1>you on an audio guided tour of a dreamy environment,

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:51.600
<v Speaker 1>whether that's a California desert at night or a beautifully

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:55.400
<v Speaker 1>tranquil lakeside lotch. Sleep casts vary in length from forty

0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:57.480
<v Speaker 1>five to fifty five minutes. Each one begins with a

0:29:57.560 --> 0:30:00.320
<v Speaker 1>wind down, which could be a meditation exercise or even

0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:03.600
<v Speaker 1>a simple breathing technique, and then it's like followed by

0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:08.720
<v Speaker 1>a narrated tour of a sleepy landscape, a sleepy landscape.

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:12.960
<v Speaker 1>So one of them is called Midnight Launderette and it

0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:16.160
<v Speaker 1>gives you a tour of a nighttime laundromat. There's also

0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:21.080
<v Speaker 1>cat Marina, which bustle in covering the sleep cast. It says,

0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:24.680
<v Speaker 1>it sounds exactly how the name suggests. It's a particularly

0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:27.560
<v Speaker 1>unique highlight. Perfect if you're a fan of boats or

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:30.360
<v Speaker 1>a fan of cats, even better if you happen to

0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:35.400
<v Speaker 1>be a lover of both. That's what That's what cat marinas.

0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:38.480
<v Speaker 1>So I listened to like, I forget the name because

0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 1>they it was not like one of the most unique ones.

0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:44.960
<v Speaker 1>It was available on YouTube. I don't have the headspace

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:48.120
<v Speaker 1>app um, and I was strangely into it. And I

0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:51.320
<v Speaker 1>guess they're remixed so that if I think, you know,

0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:55.120
<v Speaker 1>they're always kind of like unpredictable, because apparently when something

0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:58.280
<v Speaker 1>becomes predictable or you've done it before, you start anticipating

0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:00.680
<v Speaker 1>in that creates anxiety and then you can't fall asleep.

0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 1>But I'm I'm kind of super into them, and I

0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:06.240
<v Speaker 1>was like, maybe we should have a nightcall sleep cast.

0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:07.880
<v Speaker 1>I feel like people are going to think we're doing

0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:11.840
<v Speaker 1>spawn right now. Cut Space advertises on a lot of podcasts.

0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 1>I know, if they want to advertise here, go ahead.

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:18.680
<v Speaker 1>I was going to make fun of your sleep casts,

0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:20.880
<v Speaker 1>and then I listened to one and I was like, actually,

0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:25.080
<v Speaker 1>can I say though that I would find personally to me,

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:27.760
<v Speaker 1>it would be stressful not to know what's happened already.

0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:30.440
<v Speaker 1>That's what stops me from falling asleep most of the time.

0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 1>Do you want to find out what happened? Like? I

0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:34.400
<v Speaker 1>can't fall asleep like watching a law in order, because

0:31:34.400 --> 0:31:35.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I have to know who didn't kill it.

0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:38.560
<v Speaker 1>But you have to know how the laundry comes out

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:41.960
<v Speaker 1>of the midnight launder because then once I know, it's

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 1>relaxing to watch it, which is why I fall asleep.

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 1>To David Fincher's Zodiac, what they need to do is

0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:51.479
<v Speaker 1>just have people come on and tell you about their dreams,

0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:55.120
<v Speaker 1>because that is the most most Do you guys ever

0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 1>heard Dion McGregor have we ever talked about him on here?

0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:00.160
<v Speaker 1>He's a guy who made these records in the late

0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:02.960
<v Speaker 1>fifties or early sixties where he talked in his sleep,

0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:05.600
<v Speaker 1>and he apparently was like sleeping on a friend's couch

0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:07.400
<v Speaker 1>who was like, you don't have to pay me in

0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:10.880
<v Speaker 1>exchange for if I can record you talking in your sleep.

0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:14.760
<v Speaker 1>And so it's like recordings, these long recordings of someone

0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 1>narrating their dream out loud. It's not relaxing because a

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:21.720
<v Speaker 1>lot of them are anxiety dreams. It's like now I'm

0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:24.160
<v Speaker 1>in the balloon contest and I'm getting in the balloon.

0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:26.960
<v Speaker 1>But they're super weird. I used to play them on

0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:30.360
<v Speaker 1>my college radio show. Well, we should play them on

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:35.200
<v Speaker 1>college radio show next maybe next week we'll follow up that.

0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:38.680
<v Speaker 1>My friend Mike got me into it. It's there's just

0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:40.480
<v Speaker 1>like a couple of records of it, but it's one

0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:43.520
<v Speaker 1>of the all time great weird records. What is the

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:46.120
<v Speaker 1>most is the most boring thing people telling you about

0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:48.520
<v Speaker 1>their dreams, or is one of them that's the most

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:50.960
<v Speaker 1>And it's really hard to put your finger on why,

0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:53.000
<v Speaker 1>I guess because it has no buring on anything you

0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:55.240
<v Speaker 1>actually need to care about. It's like not when somebody

0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:57.440
<v Speaker 1>telling you a regular story about their life, where it's

0:32:57.480 --> 0:32:59.160
<v Speaker 1>like and what happened next? And what did you think

0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:00.560
<v Speaker 1>about it? What are you going to do about that?

0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:03.040
<v Speaker 1>It's like there's nothing, just like this thing happened and

0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:06.280
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't real. Well, yeah, I feel like it's often

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:08.959
<v Speaker 1>like someone trying to explain like a run they did

0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:12.280
<v Speaker 1>in a video game, right, and then I got the

0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:15.320
<v Speaker 1>coins and then I didn't have the coins anymore. Weirdly, though,

0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:20.480
<v Speaker 1>watching people do runs on video games is compelling, but

0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:23.640
<v Speaker 1>should we start playing We were talking about maybe playing

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:27.240
<v Speaker 1>tatris on Twitch sometimes. I please, let's do this, please

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:29.440
<v Speaker 1>you guys. I got the other day. I was like

0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:31.560
<v Speaker 1>playing it at tattris and I was like, why is

0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:35.880
<v Speaker 1>no one watching me? No one's here. It's so it's

0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:38.960
<v Speaker 1>not real. I need everyone clapping for me. I take

0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 1>a clue shirt please. I've been practicing, Dr Mario. We

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:46.320
<v Speaker 1>are up to date on the games of oh No,

0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:50.520
<v Speaker 1>because also now the next generation my son is has

0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:54.080
<v Speaker 1>started the Legend of Zelda. And but much like the

0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:56.840
<v Speaker 1>difference between watching someone play the Legend of Zelda, which

0:33:56.880 --> 0:33:59.360
<v Speaker 1>is a very beautiful game, when someone is telling you

0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:03.480
<v Speaker 1>that they found an apple and a piece of fish

0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:05.960
<v Speaker 1>and how they cooked the apple and the fish to

0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 1>regain their it's just like, wow, that's a sleep cast.

0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 1>That is a sleep cast. There, I have to say,

0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:14.719
<v Speaker 1>I find while I appreciate the idea and I love

0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:17.560
<v Speaker 1>the absurdity of stuff like what is it Kitty Marina,

0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:22.239
<v Speaker 1>Cat Marina, Cat Cat Marina, I am a little bit

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:25.800
<v Speaker 1>maybe I'm just a hyper paranoid mode because of what

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:27.840
<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about in our next segment, but like,

0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:31.600
<v Speaker 1>I do feel kind of weird about letting somebody into

0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:39.120
<v Speaker 1>my head in that before I fall asleep. Yeah, it

0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:41.560
<v Speaker 1>does feel like it could easily tilt over into it.

0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:45.440
<v Speaker 1>It also feels like to me, any streaming thing it

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:47.800
<v Speaker 1>could just like who knows what it goes to next?

0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:50.080
<v Speaker 1>You know, like you can't that's why you can't fall

0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:52.279
<v Speaker 1>asleep to YouTube. I like that this is going in

0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:54.960
<v Speaker 1>a conspiracy direction though, too, because when I was listening

0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:58.320
<v Speaker 1>to it, it starts off like describing this environment, but

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:02.239
<v Speaker 1>then it leads you through so breathing and relaxation exercises,

0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:04.560
<v Speaker 1>and it was occurring to me. I was like, what

0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 1>if you were listening to something like this and they

0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:11.440
<v Speaker 1>were like, now take a deep breath and hold, hold, hold,

0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:14.239
<v Speaker 1>and then people. I was like, there's my movie right

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:16.319
<v Speaker 1>there where it's like someone in meditation now just makes

0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:19.399
<v Speaker 1>people die. But Bean like, don't don't breathe, don't break.

0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:22.320
<v Speaker 1>SMR is going to be a horb It will be,

0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:24.560
<v Speaker 1>it will, it will come out. We said it here.

0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 1>Copyright the copy right nightcall copyright if you say copyright,

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:34.080
<v Speaker 1>it's coffee right w G A registration right now. No,

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:35.880
<v Speaker 1>I've had this idea. It's just like because you know,

0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:37.840
<v Speaker 1>it's like frequencies, and you know they make you tinkle,

0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:39.440
<v Speaker 1>and what if one made you tingle so much that

0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:42.680
<v Speaker 1>your brain exploded. Such a good idea about a lot

0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:44.760
<v Speaker 1>of these things is like the way to fall asleep

0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:47.600
<v Speaker 1>is to have your phone be off. Well, isn't your

0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:49.560
<v Speaker 1>phone obviously off when you're lying in bed trying to

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 1>go to sleep? Yeah, but not if you're playing Kenny

0:35:51.760 --> 0:35:57.279
<v Speaker 1>Marina Cat Marine that well no, but I would like

0:35:57.520 --> 0:35:59.759
<v Speaker 1>I put it on airplane motif. I'm thinking about it

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:01.759
<v Speaker 1>because I don't like it when it lights up in

0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:04.319
<v Speaker 1>the middle. I plug mine in in a different room,

0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:08.480
<v Speaker 1>so that's basically off. Yeah, well that's smart, um like

0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:13.000
<v Speaker 1>to sometimes at least sometimes like doesn't a meditation app

0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:16.520
<v Speaker 1>seems sort of counterproductive because like to keeping you plugged in,

0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:18.680
<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't. You shouldn't need an app to meditate. You

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:20.600
<v Speaker 1>should your brain as the app. Well, have you guys

0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 1>ever tried the breathing thing? That's like, I'm getting it wrong,

0:36:23.600 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 1>So don't do this because you'll you'll probably die like

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:28.680
<v Speaker 1>I just suggested. But it's like a four three five

0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:31.279
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing where you breathe you inhale for a

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:33.439
<v Speaker 1>certain number of counts, hold it for a certain number

0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:35.239
<v Speaker 1>of counts exhale, and if you do it a certain

0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:38.279
<v Speaker 1>number of times, Apparently most people can fall asleep after

0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:41.319
<v Speaker 1>doing that. It didn't work for me, but I think

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:43.399
<v Speaker 1>I was probably doing it wrong. No, but I've had

0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:46.879
<v Speaker 1>a therapist like do something like that. I think it's

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:50.719
<v Speaker 1>like cognitive therapy. You do that to calm down. But

0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:53.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't think cognitive therapy. I can never remember what

0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:56.279
<v Speaker 1>it is. Right is well, we can have a whole

0:36:56.360 --> 0:37:01.600
<v Speaker 1>other discussion. Um, this is weird but unrelated, but like

0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:04.200
<v Speaker 1>I've been having a lot of vertigo recently and there's

0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:07.120
<v Speaker 1>like this this feels very like also like could become

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:12.600
<v Speaker 1>a horror movie. There's a series of maneuvers called vertigo, yeah,

0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:22.839
<v Speaker 1>taken unfortunately vertigo to unrelated vertigo too cool and unrelated

0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:32.920
<v Speaker 1>covert it. But there's a series of maneuvers you do

0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:35.480
<v Speaker 1>if you have vertigo called the uply maneuvers. Oh I

0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:38.160
<v Speaker 1>know about that, Yeah, And it's very it's very like

0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:41.640
<v Speaker 1>the movements in UM a way. Like it's it's like

0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:43.320
<v Speaker 1>this thing where you turn your head one way and

0:37:43.360 --> 0:37:46.480
<v Speaker 1>then you slam your head. You like fall backwards onto

0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:48.719
<v Speaker 1>the bed really fast, and then you have to like

0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:50.680
<v Speaker 1>do you turn over to the side, and then you

0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:52.960
<v Speaker 1>quickly turn over to the other side. And I'm not

0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:54.680
<v Speaker 1>on the mic because I'm trying to do it. But

0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:57.960
<v Speaker 1>it's like it feels sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't,

0:37:57.960 --> 0:37:59.480
<v Speaker 1>and it feels like what if this is just a

0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:01.800
<v Speaker 1>thing to put my brain in just the right position

0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:08.879
<v Speaker 1>in my bread my head? That too hard? It too hard,

0:38:09.000 --> 0:38:14.879
<v Speaker 1>afite too hard, so hard, I think anything that takes

0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:18.839
<v Speaker 1>your mind off things. Has anyone else ever had water

0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:23.920
<v Speaker 1>port kind of soft water boarded for hiccups? Oh? Oh yeah,

0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:25.560
<v Speaker 1>Well do you ever you drink up out of the

0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:27.560
<v Speaker 1>wrong side of the cup? Up side? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:32.359
<v Speaker 1>such like it's such a weird thing to do to yourself. Well,

0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:36.160
<v Speaker 1>one thing that I was someone sometimes hold your pinky.

0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:39.640
<v Speaker 1>You squeeze your pinky really hard until it's unbearable, and

0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:40.960
<v Speaker 1>then they were like, it's better if you do it

0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:44.160
<v Speaker 1>to someone else. So for why someone have Piccups'd be

0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:47.040
<v Speaker 1>like your pinky, Like, oh, we should like what are

0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:49.000
<v Speaker 1>you doing? We should do a series on like Old

0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:53.520
<v Speaker 1>wives tales? We should yeah, because yeah, because there's so

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:56.040
<v Speaker 1>many things that are just kind of pseudoscience that are

0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:57.759
<v Speaker 1>just in the ether of like, we don't know how

0:38:57.800 --> 0:39:01.120
<v Speaker 1>to stop the hiccups. Well, speaking about things we don't know,

0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:04.360
<v Speaker 1>we should take a break and then come back with

0:39:04.840 --> 0:39:25.960
<v Speaker 1>a vintage story, mr Story. We are back. So we

0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 1>wanted to kick off our month of spooky love, unconventional

0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:37.600
<v Speaker 1>love stories, strange romance kind of stuff by revisiting the

0:39:37.880 --> 0:39:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Golden Suicides, which we all read the Vanity Fair feature

0:39:41.960 --> 0:39:45.160
<v Speaker 1>by Nancy Joe's sales from two thousand seven. Nancy Joe,

0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Nancy Joe, do the whole thing. Um this is about

0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:55.720
<v Speaker 1>Teresa Duncan and Jeremy Blake, a couple who both committed

0:39:55.760 --> 0:40:00.719
<v Speaker 1>suicide within ten days of each other, uh, following some

0:40:00.960 --> 0:40:05.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of they are very two different stories at play here,

0:40:05.640 --> 0:40:09.120
<v Speaker 1>a kind of conjunct melt down that may or may

0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:13.920
<v Speaker 1>not have had something to do with scientology. Yeah, we

0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:17.919
<v Speaker 1>briefly mentioned it when we were talking to our friend

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:24.720
<v Speaker 1>Lily Simonson about um back because of his recent scientology apostasy,

0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:29.200
<v Speaker 1>which this is one of several sources that proves that

0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:32.080
<v Speaker 1>what he said was not true, which was what he

0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:33.960
<v Speaker 1>said was that I never said I was a scientologist

0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:36.520
<v Speaker 1>and I never would have said that. Um, and in

0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:39.160
<v Speaker 1>this he is. UM. I don't I can't tell if

0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:41.560
<v Speaker 1>this is something from another source that she's citing in

0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:43.960
<v Speaker 1>it or something that she like she interviewed him for

0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:46.800
<v Speaker 1>this story. I think I think he this was directly

0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:49.520
<v Speaker 1>to Nancy Joe okay, because part of it is that

0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:52.520
<v Speaker 1>they the couple was working with him and um, and

0:40:52.640 --> 0:40:55.920
<v Speaker 1>he was in They allegedly said they were getting him

0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:57.480
<v Speaker 1>out of the church, and he was like, no, that's

0:40:57.520 --> 0:40:59.960
<v Speaker 1>never true. So, UM, that was sort of what we're

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:02.960
<v Speaker 1>minded of us of this story. Uh, it's one of

0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:06.520
<v Speaker 1>the most haunting. It's really upsetting. It's a very very

0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:10.120
<v Speaker 1>upsetting feature. Um, it's a very upsetting story because they

0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:16.640
<v Speaker 1>were both super talented on the rise. Um, beautiful, super

0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:19.400
<v Speaker 1>in love, only had wonderful things to say about each other.

0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:23.560
<v Speaker 1>And uh, this was like an all time Vanity Fair story.

0:41:23.680 --> 0:41:27.319
<v Speaker 1>It really was. Um. Do you remember reading it when

0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:30.040
<v Speaker 1>it first came out? Oh? Yeah, and I remember. I

0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:33.000
<v Speaker 1>mean speaking of spooky love. One of the things that

0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:35.320
<v Speaker 1>they were known for was that they did the imagery

0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:39.759
<v Speaker 1>for Paul Thomas Anderson's Punch Dunk Gloves and the cover

0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:43.440
<v Speaker 1>of Becks Sea change. Yeah, so a couple of the

0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:46.520
<v Speaker 1>the two of the best things to come out of

0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 1>the two thousands. Um, and that she was involved in

0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:54.520
<v Speaker 1>making educational seed roles. Well, she was like this, she

0:41:54.680 --> 0:41:57.480
<v Speaker 1>was kind of reinventing new media a little bit. Like

0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:01.200
<v Speaker 1>she just seemed very kind of forward thinking. She feels like,

0:42:01.480 --> 0:42:03.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they don't mention it, but just because she

0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:05.600
<v Speaker 1>was in New York in that time period and like

0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:07.440
<v Speaker 1>working in tech, I just like I meant, they're like

0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:10.040
<v Speaker 1>pseudo people, like people who are hanging out it we

0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:14.080
<v Speaker 1>live in public totally. I was totally thinking that too. Yeah,

0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:20.080
<v Speaker 1>like like the Douglas Copeland micro surf generation of people

0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:23.040
<v Speaker 1>that made money on the first wave of tech, like

0:42:23.320 --> 0:42:27.440
<v Speaker 1>trying to make tech into like, oh, bohemian things as

0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:31.960
<v Speaker 1>opposed to what it ended up. Right, Um, studo was

0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:34.560
<v Speaker 1>very ahead of its time. Though. Yeah, I've been really

0:42:34.600 --> 0:42:37.880
<v Speaker 1>compelled to rewatch that movie. It's an amazing movie. We

0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:40.799
<v Speaker 1>Live in Public. I love it. Probably have we done

0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:43.200
<v Speaker 1>one about it? I don't think we've mentioned it. I

0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:46.120
<v Speaker 1>did a jack am about it. Actually. Last Valentine's Day,

0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:49.080
<v Speaker 1>Johnny and I went on together to talk about We

0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Live in Public because we thought that a couple doing

0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:53.840
<v Speaker 1>a morning show together every day. It was kind of

0:42:53.960 --> 0:43:01.520
<v Speaker 1>we live in public key industry, watched dig same okay, wild.

0:43:03.920 --> 0:43:06.960
<v Speaker 1>We should do like a late nineties or early two

0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:09.719
<v Speaker 1>thousand's march. Maybe, oh yeah, let's do let's do time

0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:14.239
<v Speaker 1>hopping spring and we'll just skip around fondom leap. We

0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:17.759
<v Speaker 1>could do like Y two K or something. Yeah, but

0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:20.880
<v Speaker 1>we should give some background in case anybody isn't familiar with,

0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:23.920
<v Speaker 1>like the kind of trajectory of what happened. We should

0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:27.960
<v Speaker 1>run through this story. So in very vanity fair style,

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:30.279
<v Speaker 1>we're introduced to this couple who just seemed to have

0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:35.759
<v Speaker 1>it all. They're gorgeous and brilliant, and Teresa is a

0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:40.120
<v Speaker 1>she she designs. She's like, UM doing CD ROMs, educational

0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:43.520
<v Speaker 1>CD ROMs, games, that kind of stuff. Jeremy is an artist.

0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Um also has a blog Yes with the Staircase, Yes

0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:53.840
<v Speaker 1>early yeah Um. And they meet kind of through the

0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:57.120
<v Speaker 1>d C punk scene and then later hanging out in

0:43:57.160 --> 0:44:00.359
<v Speaker 1>New York. So it's like very cool nine and these

0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:04.480
<v Speaker 1>hipster scenster type stuff. But things started to go wrong

0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:07.080
<v Speaker 1>when they moved to l A and that was they

0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:10.120
<v Speaker 1>were living in a venice bungalow, and they had a

0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:13.960
<v Speaker 1>bunch of kind of also cool neighbors, and at some

0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:18.359
<v Speaker 1>point it seemed as though they both got tremendously paranoid.

0:44:18.920 --> 0:44:20.920
<v Speaker 1>UM people said that Theresa would be hanging out in

0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:24.279
<v Speaker 1>the alley kind of like hooting and hollering. They would

0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:26.680
<v Speaker 1>um encounter their neighbors and say, like, we need you

0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:29.520
<v Speaker 1>to take a loyalty oath to us and promise us

0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:32.080
<v Speaker 1>that you won't join the Church of Scientology, and promise

0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:35.200
<v Speaker 1>us you're not already in there. And these people wanted

0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:37.960
<v Speaker 1>to work with Jeremy and Teresa because they were so

0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:40.759
<v Speaker 1>exciting and like they were visionaries, so they just kind

0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:43.520
<v Speaker 1>of went along with it. But then eventually this turned

0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:47.040
<v Speaker 1>into harassment. They said that, you know, they seemed like

0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:49.400
<v Speaker 1>they were either very mentally ill or maybe on drugs,

0:44:49.520 --> 0:44:51.560
<v Speaker 1>or they didn't, you know, know what was going on there,

0:44:51.640 --> 0:44:54.920
<v Speaker 1>and they started with a lot of paranoia about Scientology,

0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:59.719
<v Speaker 1>seemingly branching off from their involvement with Beck because Um

0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:02.440
<v Speaker 1>Teresa had a film that she was trying to get

0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:04.880
<v Speaker 1>made that she was trying to get back to be

0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:07.719
<v Speaker 1>signed onto star in, and then he ended up back

0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:11.000
<v Speaker 1>head out and it kind of made the entire project collapse,

0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:13.600
<v Speaker 1>or at least was one of the factors that made

0:45:13.640 --> 0:45:17.000
<v Speaker 1>her film kind of stall out. And so I think

0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:19.239
<v Speaker 1>she she was very discouraged by that. The way that

0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:21.440
<v Speaker 1>the story goes is it like I feel like the

0:45:21.480 --> 0:45:23.320
<v Speaker 1>film is sort of the thing that her getting involved

0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:24.880
<v Speaker 1>in the film industry was sort of like one of

0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:27.040
<v Speaker 1>the things that started to make everything go sideways. That

0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:32.680
<v Speaker 1>is also the point where sort of the narrative convergent diverges. Yeah,

0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:37.480
<v Speaker 1>diverges were the narrative diverges into two like possible equal

0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:40.680
<v Speaker 1>paths where either they were being stocked by a cult

0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:45.120
<v Speaker 1>and they became incredibly paranoid and sort of lost her

0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:48.920
<v Speaker 1>minds together, um or they had a serious drug problem. Well. Also,

0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:52.439
<v Speaker 1>though what's interesting about Back had said, I didn't really

0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:54.080
<v Speaker 1>know them that while I met them like one or

0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:56.880
<v Speaker 1>two times, and they I guess I read the script eventually.

0:45:56.880 --> 0:45:58.840
<v Speaker 1>I was never in talks to be in it. But

0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:02.080
<v Speaker 1>Teresa was publishing pictures I think on her blog of

0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:04.040
<v Speaker 1>them all hanging out with them all hanging out on

0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:07.000
<v Speaker 1>the beach, and which seemed to kind of go against

0:46:07.120 --> 0:46:09.200
<v Speaker 1>what Back had said, And it could be I mean,

0:46:09.239 --> 0:46:11.879
<v Speaker 1>it's totally reasonable that maybe back had been just trying

0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:14.239
<v Speaker 1>to be nice and got the sense that they were

0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:17.839
<v Speaker 1>kind of a little fringy, and the questions did they

0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:22.719
<v Speaker 1>fall into scientology at some point and that's how they met? See,

0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:26.200
<v Speaker 1>this is how I understood this story. But when I

0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:28.600
<v Speaker 1>first read it when it came out, I understood it

0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:31.440
<v Speaker 1>as like they probably got involved to scientology and then

0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:33.960
<v Speaker 1>tried to get out. Well, it's also it's an interesting

0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:37.960
<v Speaker 1>complicated thing because one of the way scientology operates is

0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:39.680
<v Speaker 1>that a lot of people are these sort of like

0:46:39.920 --> 0:46:43.800
<v Speaker 1>pseudo bohemians, and especially at that time in that scene

0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:45.840
<v Speaker 1>in l A, there were a lot of people that

0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:50.479
<v Speaker 1>were scientologists, but also some people who weren't all making

0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:54.439
<v Speaker 1>art and doing stuff together. So it seems very likely

0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:58.360
<v Speaker 1>that they got involved in the scene there. Yeah, and

0:46:58.440 --> 0:47:01.160
<v Speaker 1>this is all like I mean, people have you know,

0:47:01.239 --> 0:47:04.239
<v Speaker 1>there had been some real reporting about scientology at this point,

0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:05.680
<v Speaker 1>but I think this, I would say, this is like

0:47:05.800 --> 0:47:11.279
<v Speaker 1>well before scientology and like the abuses and all all

0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:14.399
<v Speaker 1>of the real dirty laundry, Scientology was really out there

0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:18.200
<v Speaker 1>for like public consumption or like it was commonplace knowledge.

0:47:18.400 --> 0:47:21.560
<v Speaker 1>That's also why I think so. She She claimed that

0:47:21.880 --> 0:47:24.239
<v Speaker 1>she was being stalked by scientologists, the phone ord ring

0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:26.120
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the night, there were people hanging

0:47:26.160 --> 0:47:28.600
<v Speaker 1>out outside her house. You know, there was a dead

0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:31.359
<v Speaker 1>cat on the roof. And what's interesting is, I think

0:47:31.400 --> 0:47:34.759
<v Speaker 1>at a certain point um there was a real kind

0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:37.880
<v Speaker 1>of like reversal of how people thought about scientology. For

0:47:38.000 --> 0:47:41.080
<v Speaker 1>a while, it was there were kind of whispers about

0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:44.880
<v Speaker 1>harassment and things like that, but only much later than

0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:48.600
<v Speaker 1>their suicides was this kind of acknowledged as being something

0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:50.960
<v Speaker 1>that the church actually does. So in a way, it

0:47:51.040 --> 0:47:54.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of lends legitimacy to the idea that maybe she

0:47:54.920 --> 0:47:58.719
<v Speaker 1>was being harassed. But if you're being harassed a little bit,

0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:01.799
<v Speaker 1>it's also easy to see how if you're a little unstable,

0:48:01.920 --> 0:48:05.280
<v Speaker 1>you can start to see everything. It's also possible again

0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:07.520
<v Speaker 1>that if they were being harassed, and maybe they were

0:48:07.640 --> 0:48:11.719
<v Speaker 1>also smoking crystal meth, which is what some people alleged

0:48:11.880 --> 0:48:14.360
<v Speaker 1>was going on, because they were like covering the windows,

0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:16.640
<v Speaker 1>and they were drinking. He was drinking at work, she

0:48:16.760 --> 0:48:19.200
<v Speaker 1>had She was drinking bottles of shampon. They possibly had

0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:23.520
<v Speaker 1>addiction issues that could have been exacerbated by actually being stocked.

0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:25.960
<v Speaker 1>And then paranoia just makes you feel like whether you

0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:28.759
<v Speaker 1>are being stocked or not, you're always feeling like you are.

0:48:29.280 --> 0:48:32.480
<v Speaker 1>But I always thought that it was just drugs until

0:48:32.640 --> 0:48:35.360
<v Speaker 1>right now, and the detail about the dead cat just

0:48:35.440 --> 0:48:38.520
<v Speaker 1>made me rethink everything, right because that story just came

0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:43.600
<v Speaker 1>out about um the guy from the Mars Volta who

0:48:43.760 --> 0:48:47.640
<v Speaker 1>is married to one of Danny Masterson's accusers, said that

0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:50.879
<v Speaker 1>their dog was just poisoned. Yes, oh yeah, I feel

0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:53.800
<v Speaker 1>like there have been a few poisonings killing stuff like

0:48:53.920 --> 0:48:56.160
<v Speaker 1>because it wasn't their cat though I don't think it was,

0:48:57.320 --> 0:49:00.080
<v Speaker 1>but it seems like that's a tactic, is poison I

0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:04.520
<v Speaker 1>think maybe going clear or maybe on the Operation Clan

0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:06.839
<v Speaker 1>Bake blog or something there there was a mention of something.

0:49:06.840 --> 0:49:09.359
<v Speaker 1>I think it happened in St. Petersburg or at clear

0:49:09.400 --> 0:49:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Water whatever. That it's like a thing that is definitely right.

0:49:14.640 --> 0:49:16.400
<v Speaker 1>And again it's like maybe if they signed up for

0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:18.360
<v Speaker 1>some list or something like that doesn't mean that like

0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:20.839
<v Speaker 1>Back was like, you know, send the hounds after them. Oh,

0:49:20.880 --> 0:49:22.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't think Back had anything to do with it.

0:49:22.520 --> 0:49:25.520
<v Speaker 1>I think that, but I think that Back maybe was

0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:29.239
<v Speaker 1>friendlier with them than he later claimed. Yeah, it is

0:49:29.320 --> 0:49:32.239
<v Speaker 1>also kind of like or was it just like Hollywood bullshit. Well, yeah,

0:49:32.280 --> 0:49:35.440
<v Speaker 1>that's the thing. It's funny that that you're more convinced

0:49:35.480 --> 0:49:37.720
<v Speaker 1>it with Scientology this time around, because I was certainly

0:49:37.760 --> 0:49:40.480
<v Speaker 1>convinced it with scientology when I first read it, and

0:49:40.600 --> 0:49:42.400
<v Speaker 1>that was like very chilling to me. I mean that

0:49:42.520 --> 0:49:43.719
<v Speaker 1>was one of the first things I read where I

0:49:43.760 --> 0:49:45.040
<v Speaker 1>was like, holy sh it, I'm never going to step

0:49:45.080 --> 0:49:47.279
<v Speaker 1>set foot in a Scientology building, never get which not

0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:49.560
<v Speaker 1>that I have changed my mind all about that, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think reading it this time, so many of the

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<v Speaker 1>patterns and like and stuff that happened, like the same

0:49:56.680 --> 0:49:58.759
<v Speaker 1>back is going to be in your movie, which could

0:49:58.800 --> 0:50:01.000
<v Speaker 1>be like stretched she in a truth, Like you met

0:50:01.080 --> 0:50:02.840
<v Speaker 1>him once, you hung out once at a party, you

0:50:03.000 --> 0:50:04.279
<v Speaker 1>hung out a couple of times, and then you're like,

0:50:04.320 --> 0:50:05.840
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna be my movie and just say that so

0:50:05.920 --> 0:50:08.439
<v Speaker 1>you can try to get like, you know, hype going

0:50:08.520 --> 0:50:09.960
<v Speaker 1>for your film and try to get it made like that.

0:50:10.080 --> 0:50:13.680
<v Speaker 1>All that all tracks is like a very common kind

0:50:13.800 --> 0:50:17.640
<v Speaker 1>of delusion slash white lie you can tell to try

0:50:17.680 --> 0:50:20.040
<v Speaker 1>to get yourself ahead, and feels like this very gen

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<v Speaker 1>x thing of like they had this great success in

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<v Speaker 1>New York and they were this golden couple in New

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<v Speaker 1>York and then they moved to Los Angeles and they

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't like replicate that cloud, so they just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like and she didn't succeed immediately at trying to get

0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:36.200
<v Speaker 1>him film made because she was just like in or

0:50:36.320 --> 0:50:39.800
<v Speaker 1>just they were like, oh, everyone's beautiful and talented, so

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<v Speaker 1>like get in line. But also she in the feature

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<v Speaker 1>they mentioned that she had published an interview that she

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<v Speaker 1>had with Um the Priest who was married to Nancy

0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:54.120
<v Speaker 1>Joe Sales Frank Morales, and it was about MK Ultra

0:50:54.239 --> 0:50:57.360
<v Speaker 1>and Operation Chaos and and kind of started off with

0:50:57.520 --> 0:51:01.440
<v Speaker 1>real mind control things, but then she kind of segued

0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:05.120
<v Speaker 1>and was like, what if Dick Cheney actually is Satan?

0:51:06.120 --> 0:51:09.160
<v Speaker 1>Like what if that's well, it's hard to It's hard

0:51:09.200 --> 0:51:11.279
<v Speaker 1>to tell though, because it could be kind of a

0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:16.080
<v Speaker 1>like flip whatever this. Yeah, because I think that the

0:51:16.239 --> 0:51:19.160
<v Speaker 1>track they go down, which seems to get kicked off

0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:24.200
<v Speaker 1>by the scientology thing and then go into like documented

0:51:24.520 --> 0:51:28.960
<v Speaker 1>but still like conspiracy theorist type material like mk Ultra

0:51:29.239 --> 0:51:32.680
<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing, and then go into Alex Jones

0:51:32.760 --> 0:51:35.440
<v Speaker 1>and nine eleven Truthers and stuff like that, that all

0:51:35.560 --> 0:51:38.920
<v Speaker 1>feels like very prescient of like what it's like to

0:51:39.000 --> 0:51:40.840
<v Speaker 1>be on the Internet now, except this is all like

0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:43.560
<v Speaker 1>pre social media really like in a real way. I mean,

0:51:43.600 --> 0:51:45.320
<v Speaker 1>this is like they died in two thousand and seven.

0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:48.600
<v Speaker 1>I think being online is a mental like a mental

0:51:48.640 --> 0:51:52.720
<v Speaker 1>illness that people like we joked about internet addiction always,

0:51:52.840 --> 0:51:55.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, like there was a diagnosis for internet addiction,

0:51:55.480 --> 0:51:57.520
<v Speaker 1>but we all have it, right, the idea that we're

0:51:57.560 --> 0:51:59.800
<v Speaker 1>all addicted to it in a way that is like cigarettes,

0:51:59.800 --> 0:52:02.840
<v Speaker 1>where it's like not good for you. It's compulsive. The

0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:04.680
<v Speaker 1>more you do it, it makes you feel bad. But

0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:07.239
<v Speaker 1>if you like stop doing it, you like freak out

0:52:07.239 --> 0:52:09.960
<v Speaker 1>about doing it again, unless you stop for an extended

0:52:10.040 --> 0:52:12.520
<v Speaker 1>period of time and then you stop needing it. Well,

0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:14.959
<v Speaker 1>it also kind of breaks your ability to be able

0:52:15.040 --> 0:52:19.880
<v Speaker 1>to infer what's sincere and what it performed. The irony poisoning,

0:52:20.080 --> 0:52:21.920
<v Speaker 1>if from like Twitter, is just like one of the

0:52:22.000 --> 0:52:26.000
<v Speaker 1>most I've seen. That's more so than people losing their

0:52:26.040 --> 0:52:30.200
<v Speaker 1>minds online from like for paranoid reasons, Like the irony

0:52:30.239 --> 0:52:32.160
<v Speaker 1>poisoning is just like one of the reasons I can't

0:52:32.160 --> 0:52:35.400
<v Speaker 1>actually read Twitter that much anymore. It's really hard to like,

0:52:35.560 --> 0:52:38.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, once you start going down right like that

0:52:39.160 --> 0:52:41.640
<v Speaker 1>path because I do also feel like I made fun

0:52:41.719 --> 0:52:44.120
<v Speaker 1>of like all the Pizza Gate stuff obviously, but then

0:52:44.239 --> 0:52:47.040
<v Speaker 1>like the Epstein stuff is like made a lot of

0:52:47.120 --> 0:52:50.360
<v Speaker 1>people into Pizza Gate on the other side of the

0:52:50.400 --> 0:52:54.479
<v Speaker 1>fence because there is a lot of crazy stuff about

0:52:54.520 --> 0:52:57.120
<v Speaker 1>the government. Well. It's also some of the things with

0:52:57.719 --> 0:53:02.120
<v Speaker 1>m the Duncan and Blake story that are interesting is

0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:06.600
<v Speaker 1>they do seem self aware. I mean, like, so Blake

0:53:06.680 --> 0:53:11.520
<v Speaker 1>did the Winchester trilogy obviously about someone losing their mind,

0:53:12.080 --> 0:53:15.040
<v Speaker 1>and in a way it's like so much of their

0:53:15.280 --> 0:53:18.160
<v Speaker 1>entire story it's I don't want to say it felt performative,

0:53:18.680 --> 0:53:22.600
<v Speaker 1>because obviously taking your life is not performative, but it

0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:28.200
<v Speaker 1>was there dramatic people and dramatic, but the people it's

0:53:28.280 --> 0:53:31.040
<v Speaker 1>just buying into like living this kind of life that

0:53:31.200 --> 0:53:33.680
<v Speaker 1>you you feel is I mean, like we live in

0:53:33.719 --> 0:53:37.560
<v Speaker 1>public where you feel like you're being like you're important

0:53:37.600 --> 0:53:40.040
<v Speaker 1>and you're putting out important work, and then you yourself

0:53:40.160 --> 0:53:42.880
<v Speaker 1>are an important work and you're a target, right, But

0:53:42.960 --> 0:53:45.360
<v Speaker 1>then you also are kind of tying it in with

0:53:45.520 --> 0:53:48.640
<v Speaker 1>things like interviewing someone on your blog about conspiracy theories

0:53:48.680 --> 0:53:51.040
<v Speaker 1>while you deeply believe in a conspiracy theory, but you're

0:53:51.040 --> 0:53:53.759
<v Speaker 1>clearly kind of aware, like we're not really like but

0:53:54.280 --> 0:53:57.279
<v Speaker 1>then you know, there's this weird blurred line where you

0:53:57.360 --> 0:54:01.040
<v Speaker 1>can really easily understand how someone right, Like at what

0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:04.440
<v Speaker 1>point does obsession just like take over? You know, And

0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:07.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot of high functioning people and smart people also

0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:12.120
<v Speaker 1>have mental illnesses and a lot of Yeah. I mean,

0:54:12.160 --> 0:54:14.560
<v Speaker 1>I feel especially like if if you're a high functioning

0:54:14.600 --> 0:54:16.600
<v Speaker 1>smart person and you have been told that you are

0:54:16.640 --> 0:54:19.359
<v Speaker 1>a high functioning and smart person your entire life, then

0:54:19.400 --> 0:54:23.880
<v Speaker 1>you are more inclined to think that you are can

0:54:23.960 --> 0:54:25.800
<v Speaker 1>be let in on some kind of information that not

0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:28.239
<v Speaker 1>everybody else's let it like you you are you are

0:54:28.320 --> 0:54:31.239
<v Speaker 1>more well informed about something and gen x, there's like

0:54:31.320 --> 0:54:34.040
<v Speaker 1>this performative thing of like, but also you can't show

0:54:34.120 --> 0:54:36.400
<v Speaker 1>how bad you want it. You have to like pretend

0:54:36.480 --> 0:54:38.160
<v Speaker 1>to be too cool to well. I think, I mean,

0:54:38.200 --> 0:54:40.520
<v Speaker 1>I think it made them mad. I think instead of

0:54:40.640 --> 0:54:43.320
<v Speaker 1>making them feel humbled, it made them mad. And I

0:54:43.400 --> 0:54:45.239
<v Speaker 1>think a lot of people do like come to Los

0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:48.319
<v Speaker 1>Angeles with like a big expectation of like what will

0:54:48.400 --> 0:54:52.520
<v Speaker 1>happen there and then are humbled by the reality. I

0:54:52.560 --> 0:54:55.759
<v Speaker 1>think that's true about everywhere. I agree, But I mean

0:54:55.840 --> 0:54:57.600
<v Speaker 1>I think they moved to New York and they moved

0:54:57.719 --> 0:55:00.759
<v Speaker 1>into this like cool like artists spot whatever. Its five

0:55:00.800 --> 0:55:03.040
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars a month. They weren't making money and like

0:55:03.160 --> 0:55:07.799
<v Speaker 1>the mid odds it was. And I think when people

0:55:07.840 --> 0:55:10.640
<v Speaker 1>are having success, it's like they do sometimes feel like, oh,

0:55:10.719 --> 0:55:14.880
<v Speaker 1>we're like blessed, you know, we're especially important people. But

0:55:15.000 --> 0:55:17.080
<v Speaker 1>those are the people also that think they get abducted

0:55:17.080 --> 0:55:19.960
<v Speaker 1>by aliens, as we saw in communions, by at least

0:55:20.000 --> 0:55:24.440
<v Speaker 1>driver a kind of like wanting to be exceptional that

0:55:24.560 --> 0:55:28.560
<v Speaker 1>becomes a kind of like psychopathy. Yeah, did you guys

0:55:28.640 --> 0:55:31.320
<v Speaker 1>find them to be a romantic couple at least before

0:55:31.360 --> 0:55:34.759
<v Speaker 1>things went south? Or well there's something romantic about like

0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:39.120
<v Speaker 1>going crazy together? Yes? And they were so they seemed

0:55:39.239 --> 0:55:41.759
<v Speaker 1>so completely committed to each other. They were together for

0:55:41.880 --> 0:55:44.480
<v Speaker 1>twelve years. They obviously moved a bunch of times, their

0:55:44.520 --> 0:55:49.440
<v Speaker 1>careers evolved, and they they only ever had wonderful things

0:55:49.560 --> 0:55:52.680
<v Speaker 1>to say about each other. They seemed really creatively supportive.

0:55:53.160 --> 0:55:55.279
<v Speaker 1>They were each other's hype men. But maybe that was

0:55:55.400 --> 0:55:59.000
<v Speaker 1>actually sort of what doomed them, because if they had

0:55:59.040 --> 0:56:02.040
<v Speaker 1>had more outside influence, if they hadn't just had each

0:56:02.080 --> 0:56:04.480
<v Speaker 1>other to be like, this is what's happening. You're right,

0:56:05.360 --> 0:56:08.879
<v Speaker 1>maybe they were confirming each other's paranoia. Yeah, I mean,

0:56:09.000 --> 0:56:12.879
<v Speaker 1>like there's that detail like the last night that uh,

0:56:13.840 --> 0:56:16.480
<v Speaker 1>like the last night that Teresa was alive. They were

0:56:16.560 --> 0:56:19.360
<v Speaker 1>in Hollywood for a meeting with George Pelicanos because they

0:56:19.400 --> 0:56:23.040
<v Speaker 1>were working on a an adaptation of a book of his.

0:56:23.400 --> 0:56:26.200
<v Speaker 1>And then like they were last seen by the people

0:56:26.200 --> 0:56:28.239
<v Speaker 1>that they were dinner with, like still holding hands while

0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:30.000
<v Speaker 1>they were walking across the street back to their car.

0:56:30.120 --> 0:56:33.440
<v Speaker 1>It's just like after like a Hollywood meeting, it's like

0:56:33.480 --> 0:56:35.839
<v Speaker 1>a married couple and nearly and you like it's still

0:56:35.920 --> 0:56:37.480
<v Speaker 1>just like holding hands all the time. I don't know,

0:56:37.520 --> 0:56:41.200
<v Speaker 1>it's like very it's like very um yeah. And then

0:56:41.320 --> 0:56:44.520
<v Speaker 1>like ironically, like this did make their I p important

0:56:44.600 --> 0:56:47.000
<v Speaker 1>to somebody, you know, And there was going to be

0:56:47.040 --> 0:56:49.240
<v Speaker 1>a movie at one point written by Bretty Snellis, although

0:56:49.480 --> 0:56:54.439
<v Speaker 1>it got Can you imagine I would be so mad

0:56:54.840 --> 0:56:59.880
<v Speaker 1>if I if my life if it's a Bretty Snellis

0:57:00.320 --> 0:57:07.719
<v Speaker 1>because yeah, no way, Yeah, I feel like it's possible. Yeah,

0:57:07.760 --> 0:57:10.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, there's somebody with more empathy yet. Yeah,

0:57:12.160 --> 0:57:14.120
<v Speaker 1>but it's also it is like we don't know that

0:57:14.280 --> 0:57:17.880
<v Speaker 1>much about them as interiors, which is what's interesting. It's

0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:21.080
<v Speaker 1>like there's a lot of information about them. There's a

0:57:21.080 --> 0:57:23.080
<v Speaker 1>lot of photos of them. She has an entire blog,

0:57:23.160 --> 0:57:26.240
<v Speaker 1>and I definitely remember looking at her in the article

0:57:26.320 --> 0:57:29.080
<v Speaker 1>and having that creepy failing of reading a dead person's blog,

0:57:29.760 --> 0:57:31.760
<v Speaker 1>you know where you're like that so many people will

0:57:31.760 --> 0:57:34.920
<v Speaker 1>get to enjoy now that everyone has a blog is

0:57:34.960 --> 0:57:37.240
<v Speaker 1>a blog graveyard. But it is like that's one of

0:57:37.280 --> 0:57:39.360
<v Speaker 1>those things where you're like should I be doing this?

0:57:39.640 --> 0:57:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Like this is bad? Yeah, Like I read the Cecil

0:57:43.640 --> 0:57:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Hotel girls. Yeah, just was like this is making me

0:57:48.960 --> 0:57:51.680
<v Speaker 1>feel gross. But also it gives them like this humanity

0:57:51.720 --> 0:57:53.760
<v Speaker 1>if you're like, here's them alive person not just like

0:57:54.600 --> 0:57:56.720
<v Speaker 1>I think it's not. I don't think that it's like

0:57:56.960 --> 0:57:59.720
<v Speaker 1>a moral to read like obviously, like you put something

0:57:59.800 --> 0:58:02.480
<v Speaker 1>down out on in a public form, and like you

0:58:02.560 --> 0:58:04.560
<v Speaker 1>do that for a reason because you want people to

0:58:04.680 --> 0:58:07.040
<v Speaker 1>read your words, I mean generally, and I think like

0:58:07.680 --> 0:58:10.920
<v Speaker 1>there is some something to be gained by. It's just

0:58:11.000 --> 0:58:13.439
<v Speaker 1>sad because you're always like they feel alive and they're

0:58:13.480 --> 0:58:17.800
<v Speaker 1>posting still. Well, there's also I mean, I don't know

0:58:17.920 --> 0:58:21.400
<v Speaker 1>if I died under mysterious circumstances, I don't think there

0:58:21.440 --> 0:58:24.760
<v Speaker 1>would be like clues on my tumbler. But what if

0:58:24.840 --> 0:58:30.280
<v Speaker 1>you left a series of tapes sort of you know,

0:58:30.400 --> 0:58:36.960
<v Speaker 1>a treasure hunt? Uh yeah, yeah, Well, if you have

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