WEBVTT - Jeremy | Chapter 4 - Horse and Buggy 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:06.920 Before I ever met Jeremy's former girlfriend, Jamie, before I 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:09.879 knew Jamie and Jeremy had a son together named Justin. 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:14.240 I read carefully through something she said about Jeremy in 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:15.000 a deposition. 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:19.600 Good morning, it is November twenty eight, two thousand and five. 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:25.440 You were here in winter Haven, Florida, taking the statement 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:30.520 of Jamie Nellam's n E l amf the office. 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:33.200 She said something that as far as I could tell, 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:35.680 no one had ever looked into. 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:38.960 He told me he had killed a taxi cab driver 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:43.720 he was sixteen seventeen at Todd and that he had 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:44.479 gotten away with it. 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:47.919 So when I finally got to talk to her, I 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:50.640 asked her about it. One of the things that we 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:54.800 learned about from your deposition was that I think they 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:57.840 asked if you were aware of Jeremy committing any other crimes, 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.320 and he said, to you killed the cab driver once. 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:04.319 Can you just walk us through what you remember of 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:04.839 that moment. 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:09.360 Actually, we were at his grandmother's house. He had taken 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:12.080 me to meet his grandmother out in Saint Cloud somewhere 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:20.679 I think it was, and something had happened because Jeremy 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:23.600 was yelling at this guy and he was angry and 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:25.720 he I mean, he was furious with that. I can 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:28.319 remember him being so angry with this guy that he 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:30.840 was yelling at and he had his fist clenched. 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:35.600 Jeremy once told me about this conflict too. It was 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:39.120 between him and his mom's boyfriend. Jeremy said he was 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.680 accusing this boyfriend of abusing his mom. 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:44.800 I told him, Pierre touched my mom off, kill him, 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:48.920 And I meant that right. I'm just trying to straight up. 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:54.200 Jamie says she remembers that incident and Jeremy getting very. 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:57.840 Angry and he started a kind of lunge and his 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:02.600 grandmother said something it you need to stop. It's going 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:03.440 to be just like with. 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:06.400 That cab driver. I think what she was saying, and 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:08.160 she's going to kill him. Don't do that. 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:11.760 And I think that's what his grandmother was afraid of, 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:15.880 that he was going to hurt this guy. And I 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:18.239 can remember asking him, like, what does she mean about 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:22.840 the cab driver and he said he said nothing, nothing, nothing, 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:25.200 and he kept putting me off, putting me off. Well, 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:27.680 it was middle of the night. I can remember us 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.760 laying down and we were on a mattress on the 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:36.200 floor and I was almost asleep, and I can remember 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:44.040 him saying, my grandma thinks I killed a cab driver. 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:47.359 That's how he said it. My grandma thinks I killed 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:50.919 a cab driver. And I didn't say anything, and he said, 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:51.760 are you asleep? 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:54.600 And I said no. He said, did you hear me? 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:56.680 And I said yeah. I said, did you kill the 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:57.359 cab driver? 0:02:57.919 --> 0:02:59.760 And he said yeah, but it was I got away 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:04.079 with it, and then he won't talk about it anymore. 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:12.760 If you've been listening since the beginning of this story, 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.160 you've heard Jeremy tell me a little about this murder. 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.720 When I called it task to get a drive and 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:23.400 I'm just gonna rob him. But when I pointed to gunad, 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:26.280 I guess it just touch it boom. 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:29.720 You know, I know it. 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:31.600 Sooner or later, it's going to come back helm me. 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:35.040 I just wait for It's a matter of time. 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:40.680 Jeremy is in prison for life for murdering just one person, 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:45.160 Donald Moorehead, the man who's blood Jamie saw on Jeremy's pants. 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:50.480 Jeremy confessed to police the next day. Then when Kelsey 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.080 and I first met him in prison, he confessed to 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:57.680 two more murders. Leo Schofield's wife, Michelle, and a cab driver. 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:03.000 But the State of Florida insists those two confessions are fabrications, 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:07.320 that Jeremy is just seeking attention or manipulating me, a 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:11.840 naive writer who fell for his lies, and through it all, 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:16.520 they maintain their original claims that Jeremy Scott isn't worth 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:27.000 listening to, no matter how much evidence says otherwise. A 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:30.080 Florida prosecutor once told me, the only chance in hell 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.680 I have a one day convincing the state to overturn 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.960 Leo's conviction is to show them that Jeremy is telling 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:38.599 the truth. No one is going to reopen these murder 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:42.200 cases unless I hand them some undeniable piece of evidence 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:48.000 that corroborates Jeremy's confessions. So that is my mission, and 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:52.440 Jeremy Scott has become my most constant ally, someone I 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:55.719 believe is being more truthful and more credible than the 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:59.839 prosecutors and sheriffs, the ones who failed to properly investigate 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:04.160 them murders Jeremy is confessed to getting away with. That's 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:10.240 why I asked Jeremy for his help. Dear mister King, 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.159 he wrote me last year, I'm going to tell you 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:17.320 the whole story, he said, I want you to understand 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.320 I can be charged with this murder, and I'm okay 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.360 with this. I will never get out, So I'm going 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:36.800 to tell you. 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:53.280 Do you my manslef to have my feet soruti sorrys. 0:05:53.760 --> 0:06:18.600 In this VASTI seihachish to the warm. 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:48.160 Stuff Bone Valley, Season two, Jeremy, Chapter four, Horse and Buggy. 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:54.680 After Jeremy confessed I'm taping and writing to killing a 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:57.880 cab driver, I brought everything i'd learned to the Ossiola 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:01.080 County Sheriff's office. This was a thirty four year old 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:03.799 unsolved murder, and they said they'd look into it again. 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.080 I thought the detectives there would be grateful for the 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:10.320 leads I'd given them, but I was wrong. The Sheriff's 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.160 office blew me off. They never got back to me, 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.880 and I was banging my head against the wall again. 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:22.120 But then, one morning, after we'd made public everything we'd learned, 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:26.800 I got an unexpected message on Facebook. It was from 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:30.440 Buddy Shepherd, the first detective to arrive at the scene 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:34.160 of the murder. In Shepherd's profile pick, he's wearing a 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:38.720 white cowboy hat. I clicked the message. Mister King, it 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:40.720 has been brought to my attention that you might want 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:43.880 to speak to me. I am Buddy Shepherd, retired staff 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:47.560 inspector of the Osceola County Sheriff's Office. If in fact, 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:51.000 you do, please contact me. Thank you from a big 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:55.240 fan of all your books. I couldn't get anyone from 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:57.200 the Sheriff's office to give me the time of day 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:00.680 with this case, and now the lead detective at the 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:07.440 center of it says he wants to talk. 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:11.200 Hello, mister Shepherd, how are you? 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:14.840 A Shepherd's my daddy and he's in dead for three years. 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:16.560 Now, how are you? 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:17.640 Oh? 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:18.600 You're so pretty? 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:22.800 Watch out, Kogo baby, Now you get going from here. 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:27.280 Buddy's tiny three legged lapdog runs over to us. His 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.520 name is Kujo Kujo right. 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:31.800 Kujo definitely looks like a. 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.840 Oh my god, Kujo baby. Go to the house, honey. 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.280 I was surprised Buddy Shepherd wanted to talk to me. 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:43.800 He was the detective who first tried to pin this 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:47.520 murder on a man named Dan Odie. Dan was brought 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:50.559 to trial for the murder twice, and after a hung 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.680 jury in the first trial, he was found not guilty 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.560 by a jury of his peers, but his name was 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.880 still dragged through the mud. And in the first season 0:08:59.880 --> 0:09:03.320 of Bone Valley, I talked to several people who told 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:07.120 me Detective Buddy Shepherd threatened them, Like Tanya Dean. 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:12.679 His name was Buddy Shepherd. I will never I just 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:14.600 got chills. I'll never forget that. 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:17.800 She was a fifteen year old single mother at the 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:20.280 time of the murder, and she said Shepherd pushed her 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:21.680 to tell a false story. 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:26.400 And I remember telling my dad, Dad, they're making me lie. 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.760 They're telling me what I have to say, or they're 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:31.079 going to take my babies. 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.079 And then there was dan Odie himself, the man who 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.439 faced the electric chair because of Shepherd. 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.760 Oh, Buddy Shepherd, he was just he was bounding, determined 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:42.240 to frighten me. 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:43.199 He wasn't going to let it go. 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:53.080 So why would Buddy want to talk to me of 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:56.240 all people? And did I want to talk to him? 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:58.960 Buddy had spent some time in jail for threatening a 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.600 guy on his front lawn with a gun. I didn't 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:05.320 want to be next. But in his message confirming our visit, 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:09.480 he wrote, I hope you are well, my favorite author. Damn, 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:13.520 this guy really knows how to turn on the Southern Charm. 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.440 Not long after that message, Kelsey and I were with 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:20.320 Buddy outside his trailer near Intercession City. 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:21.079 He wanted to. 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:28.960 Address the accusations against him. 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:33.800 I didn't step on any laws or rules of evidence 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:37.199 or anything, but they investigated me. 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:42.040 For the Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigated the accusations 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:45.640 that Buddy Shephard was threatening witnesses to frame dan Odie. 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:46.200 Yeah. 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.680 I was gonna say, they did an investigation and like 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:49.679 in a week, they cleared you. 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:50.040 Yes. 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:53.520 Sure it was hard, but I wanted to keep Buddy talking. 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:55.800 I asked him if he'd be willing to give us 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:58.320 a tour of the crime scene, to take us back 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:01.720 to April of nineteen eighty seven, the night Joseph Lavera 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:06.000 was killed. Buddy has back problems, so he gets around 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.600 with a roll lader, sort of a walker with wheels 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:10.640 that you can sit down and rest if you need to. 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:12.480 In the back. 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:14.520 I folded up his roll lader and put it in 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:18.040 the trunk. Buddy sat up front with me and Kelsey 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.840 sat in the back with her microphone pointed between us. 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:25.360 If you want to just turn right here and yeah 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:31.320 restricted area. Oh, if we put that up for people 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:31.960 to shoot at. 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:38.240 The area just outside of Intercession City is still pretty rural. 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:42.679 We passed through farmland and prairies with cattle grazing along 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:47.880 the way, so Intercession City. The whole time Buddy was 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:50.280 in the car, I kept wondering why he wanted to 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:50.760 talk to me. 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:56.239 All these roads in here are named after my family. Really, Yeah, 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:57.959 I saw a Shepherd. 0:11:57.559 --> 0:11:58.480 Street up here, is ain't you? 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:02.320 Besides Jerry Jeremy, Buddy Shepherd and I are probably the 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.959 two people who know more about this case than anyone 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:08.959 else alive. And I'm convinced Buddy knows things I don't, 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:13.960 things nobody else knows. Maybe this former detective who wanted 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:17.240 to convict Dan Odie would now reveal some key piece 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:21.560 of information or evidence to finally prove that Jeremy Scott 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.640 was the person who killed the taxi cab driver. I 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:25.720 want him to talk. 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:31.640 It was right about in here we pull over to 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:34.680 the side of Old Tampa Highway and park on the 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:38.559 spot where Lavera's body was found in April nineteen eighty seven. 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:45.840 That night, a nearby resident heard gunshots and called police, and. 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:49.280 He, of course called USh And I was at home 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.960 in bed. Yeah, it was like midnight ers, yes, sure, 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:59.560 about mid nine, one o'clock, and they called me immediately 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:00.839 and told me to get down here. 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:04.000 So I did. What was it like when you got here? 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:10.079 The body was laying off road, probably about forty or 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:17.760 fifty feet. We had crime scene investigators already there, and 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:20.720 they set up some lights. And I'll never forget. I'll 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:22.640 never forget seeing that boy's eyes. 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:28.400 That was eerie. His eyes roping, Wow, his eyes roping. 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:30.760 I could see the whites of his eyes and eating 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:31.840 his pupils. 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:37.640 And that stays with you, right, it does. It stayed 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:39.400 with me till this day. 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.680 Because it was like a twenty five year old kid, right, Yeah, 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:45.160 he was just really a kid working his butt off 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:49.560 as a taxi cab driver, and nobody should be killed 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:50.520 for doing their job. 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:54.800 Standing there on the side of the road with Buddy, 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:58.400 it became clear there was so much more to the story. 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:03.200 I still needed to understand, Like who was Joseph Laver. 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:11.559 I wanted to know more, so I tried to track 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:15.160 down his ex wife, Janet. I sent her a few messages. 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.640 She never responded, but I had a rural address in 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:22.880 southwestern Georgia, that seemed promising. It would be a long drive, 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.360 but I had to try. When I pulled up to 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:28.680 the address, I saw an above ground pool in the 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:32.480 front yard with half a dozen kids splashing and laughing 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.840 in the water. On the porch, a young woman in 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:38.920 summer clothes stepped out, shielding her eyes from the sun. 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:43.240 I introduced myself and explained that I was looking for Janet. 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:47.200 She seemed wary at first, her eyes narrowing as she 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:50.560 sized me up. The kids in the pool stopped playing 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.280 and their laughter faded as they turned to watch this 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:57.400 stranger standing in the yard with a thick Georgian accent. 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:01.400 The young woman finally spoke at It was her mom. 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.400 She's at work just up the road, she said, and 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:10.440 even offered directions. A few minutes later, I pulled up 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.880 to a small mobile home office situated along a busy 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:17.360 stretch of road. When I walked through the door, the 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:22.080 shopkeeper's bells chimed softly. A middle aged woman behind a 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.600 desk looked up and fixed her eyes on me. The 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:31.200 office was quiet and we were alone. I introduced myself, gently, 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:36.440 explaining why I had come to say. She was stunned 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:40.920 would be an understatement. She sat in silence, staring at 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:46.480 me for what felt like minutes. Sometimes reinvestigating a murder 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:49.520 case that's been shelled for more than thirty years can 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:53.720 stir up consequences. I try to tread carefully around. If 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.240 there's one thing I've learned following this story to its 0:15:56.280 --> 0:16:00.240 farthest edges, is that some people survive by burying their 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:04.480 most traumatic memories just to move on. And then here 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:08.160 I come, a writer with a podcast asking them to 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:12.360 revisit the very past they've worked so hard to leave behind. 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:17.680 As I explained my investigation into Joseph Lavert's death, she 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:21.680 glanced down, her fingers moving across her phone as she 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:26.320 sent a text, still not saying a word. I mentioned 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.840 that I'd tried to call her a few years ago, 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:34.000 and she responded bluntly she'd blocked me. I assured her 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.320 that I could answer any questions she might have about 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:40.600 the case. A few minutes later, the bells jingled again 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:45.240 as another woman walked in. Her name was Joy, Janet's sister. 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:50.600 After receiving Janet's text, she googled me and decided I 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:57.000 seem legitimate. With Joy's reassurance, Janet's demeanor softened, She relaxed 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:59.720 and eventually agreed to speak with me. 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:03.200 What was it like when I walked through this door? 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:05.760 Blew? 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:11.000 My mom shot me, devastated me. I just just shock. 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:14.840 I explained to Janet that I wanted to understand more 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:18.200 about Joseph, about who he was before he was killed. 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:20.080 I've never seen a picture. 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:23.080 I've been looking forever. I can't find a single picture. Well, 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:24.919 you know, I only had one picture of him. He 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:29.520 didn't like pictures taken. Yeah, he looked he had dark JB. 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:33.120 He had dark hair, skinny JB. 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:36.280 I didn't know that Joseph Lever went by JB. 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:42.080 A lot of hair, black hair, sick, very sick. Yeah, 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:46.720 it's handsome. Yeah, I mean I'm married, and of course 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.720 he was handsome. He loved marshals. 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:54.439 He had ninja suits, the numb chucks, the stars, the sword. 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:58.000 That was his stuff. I mean, that's what he was 0:17:58.040 --> 0:17:58.800 majorly into. 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:04.439 Yeah, we were like, it was best friends for you know, 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:08.199 and then then we got married and right away we 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:12.000 were having a baby, very quickly. Actually we got married. 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:16.080 He loved the fish too, Oh, yes, loved the fish. 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.760 Janet tells me she and JB went fishing the day 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:21.000 before their son was born. 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:24.000 Oh yes, I was nine months pregnant. 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.800 Was out there fishing and freezing cold because christ was 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.359 born in December, and we're out there fishing. 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:31.040 I said, what happens if I go in labor? 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.199 They said, we gotta get We got the way till 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:37.720 we finished fishing, and we laughed about it, and then 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:41.480 of course they went labor the next day for eighteen 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:43.320 long hours. 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:47.280 Janet and JB had a son together, a boy named Christopher. 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.840 Their marriage ended when Christopher was just two, but they 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:54.520 remained friends, and. 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.119 He was a cab driver. Had it only been for 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.160 a few months. I had been working there long. 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:02.760 Janet's last comversation with JB was about making plans to 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:04.120 get together the next. 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:06.439 Day, and so it was talking about going down to 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:08.560 the park and I told him I would make sandwiches 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:13.080 and and we just go down there and have a 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.400 pet name and let Chris play and on the swings 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:15.880 and stuff. 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.240 And I said, you know, what do you think? And 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:19.280 he said, that's a good idea. 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:23.040 He said, let's do that, And he said he wanted 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:25.840 to talk to me about something. 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:29.840 But JB went to his shift that night and never 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:30.560 made it home. 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.639 We got a call I get three o'clock in the 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:39.359 morning that he had been killed, and then I had 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:40.120 to tell Chris. 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:43.000 Then his daddy went to live with Jesus. 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.720 But you know he's too, I said, he went to 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:49.560 live with Jesus. Now we we're not going to see 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:51.639 him no more because you know, trying not to cry. 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:56.800 You know, he's going to live with Jesus. And he 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:58.880 looked at me. Sat there a minute and he looked 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:02.960 at me. He said, how'd he get there? And I 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.080 let that him and I said a horse and buggy. 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.000 He said a horse and baky, I said yeah. He 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:11.280 jumped down and as hard as he could run to 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:13.760 other than the house, hollering for my brother in law. 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:17.639 I'm a danny, up, a danny, up Danny and he 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:20.440 said what son? He said, my daddy went to live 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.639 with Jesus. And you know what he got there, no 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:26.920 or a horse and buggy. And he was happy because 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:28.280 his daddy rode a horse and buggy. 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:33.560 At his funeral, Janet learned what jab had wanted to 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:34.480 talk to her about. 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:37.040 My best friend at the time. 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:40.560 He said that he was going to tell me that 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:43.159 he loved me, and he wanted us to get back together. 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:47.160 I was like, are you sure, and she said, yes, 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:50.280 He's called me and told me, you know that that's 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:51.560 what he wanted to talk to you about. 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.879 But Janet would never have that conversation with the father 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:56.520 of their son. 0:20:57.760 --> 0:20:59.679 You know, he was only two and he loved his 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:04.800 dad and he never had that daddy. You know, he 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:07.120 never had him all his love bad enough he got 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:10.840 shot three times right, and then just left the lay there, 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:12.880 and then nobody ever got to pay. 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:15.600 It's like his life didn't matter. 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:33.680 It was Buddy Shepherd's job to find out who killed JB. 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:38.199 A week after the murder, he had his suspect. 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:41.920 We had a chalkboard and we wrote down anybody's name 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:44.920 that could have done this. We put dan Odie at 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:48.840 the top of it. Dan Odie was six foot three 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:54.879 and weighed two ten two twenty and I mean a big, 0:21:55.480 --> 0:22:00.280 raw boned cow man. I just not big muscle. But 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:02.679 everything was just as tight as it could be in 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:06.359 his arms and his chest. We were investigating dan Odie 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:08.640 right from the very beginning. We had their wrist warrant. 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:12.320 We didn't tell anybody about it, and we come down 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:14.119 here and started following Dan around. 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:17.680 Dan was in a pickup shuckle. We started falling and. 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:21.320 He knew we were behind him, but he wouldn't come 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:25.320 into Ostiola County, and so I blocked him off and 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:29.000 I came out with a shotgun on him and we 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:30.720 put him on the ground and arrested him. 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:31.160 Yeah. 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:33.760 We saw that picture in the Orlando sitting on did you. Yeah, 0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:35.199 he's like laid out on the ground. 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:37.600 Yeah. 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:40.600 Looking at all the case files, I could never figure 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:43.640 out why Buddy Shepherd set his sights on Dan Odie 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:47.119 for this murder. Buddy just tells me that's where his 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:52.080 investigation led him. What Buddy Shepherd didn't know was that 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:55.399 at the very moment he began investigating who killed JB. 0:22:56.320 --> 0:23:00.320 Jeremy Scott was hiding in an abandoned house just a 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:04.160 few blocks away from the crash taxi, waiting for Buddy's 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:09.199 dogs to sniff him out. Jeremy told me this, and 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:12.399 from what Buddy tells me, it sounds like police dogs 0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:15.800 had picked up Jeremy sent from a baseball cap that 0:23:15.960 --> 0:23:17.560 was left behind in the taxi. 0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:24.120 We had two dogs from the time. They did track 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:28.760 himTo the abandoned house, but they lost him there. Tried 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:31.920 to run a track from the taxi cab even gave 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:35.280 the dog the hat smell. But there have been so 0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:38.360 many people running the streets and everything that the dog 0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:39.400 got misdirected. 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:44.320 Okay, so the dog thought that whoever did this went 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:45.400 to the abandoned house. 0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:46.879 Yes, sure, okay, yes. 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:51.520 Sir, the dogs got close, but they lost his scent. 0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:54.720 Jeremy and I went over this too. 0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:57.400 I talked to the lead detective for that taxi cab 0:23:57.440 --> 0:24:00.720 tain Yeah, and he told me that they had the 0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:05.600 dogs out and the dogs like lost the scent at 0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:09.720 an abandoned house, like they were that close. 0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:13.840 See you know the railroad tracks right there, ye, yeah, yeah, 0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:16.000 you know I walked. I walk on the railad track 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:22.679 the Steel park right you know, if bus train comes hit, 0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:23.720 you're sick, gonna be going. 0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:25.520 I never heard that before. 0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:28.480 Yeah, I didn't think it worked, But it didn't work. 0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:34.719 All these years later, Jeremy Scott is still waiting for 0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:36.600 the police to hold him accountable. 0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:55.240