1 00:00:15,436 --> 00:00:15,876 Speaker 1: Pushkin. 2 00:00:21,996 --> 00:00:26,356 Speaker 2: Elon Musk is the richest person on the planet. Long 3 00:00:26,396 --> 00:00:30,036 Speaker 2: before Donald Trump appointed him to run DOGE, a department 4 00:00:30,116 --> 00:00:34,516 Speaker 2: of government efficiency, Musk had plans. Plans to save the 5 00:00:34,556 --> 00:00:38,676 Speaker 2: world from climate catastrophe with electric cars and solar panels 6 00:00:38,676 --> 00:00:42,916 Speaker 2: and underground tunnels, Plans to colonize Mars, Plans to build 7 00:00:42,996 --> 00:00:46,396 Speaker 2: chips to put in people's brains. He is followed by 8 00:00:46,436 --> 00:00:49,756 Speaker 2: more than two hundred million people on social media. He 9 00:00:49,836 --> 00:00:53,396 Speaker 2: has two ex wives and eleven children, including a son 10 00:00:53,876 --> 00:00:57,716 Speaker 2: named x The bare facts of Musk's life, the way 11 00:00:57,756 --> 00:01:00,836 Speaker 2: they're usually told make him sound like a fictional character, 12 00:01:01,316 --> 00:01:02,916 Speaker 2: a comic book superhero. 13 00:01:03,556 --> 00:01:07,116 Speaker 1: But what's the real story, the actual history behind the 14 00:01:07,156 --> 00:01:16,156 Speaker 1: comic book. Welcome to X Man, the Elon. 15 00:01:15,876 --> 00:01:17,676 Speaker 2: Musk origin Story. 16 00:01:17,876 --> 00:01:18,676 Speaker 1: I'm Jill Lapour. 17 00:01:19,436 --> 00:01:22,756 Speaker 2: I'm a professor of history and law at Harvard. For 18 00:01:22,796 --> 00:01:26,076 Speaker 2: a long time, I've been studying the relationship between technological 19 00:01:26,236 --> 00:01:30,076 Speaker 2: and political change. I'm fascinated by visions of the future 20 00:01:30,396 --> 00:01:34,956 Speaker 2: in political discourse, in literature, in science fiction, and even 21 00:01:34,996 --> 00:01:39,796 Speaker 2: comic books. This series, I'm exploring a new kind of capitalism. 22 00:01:39,836 --> 00:01:47,236 Speaker 2: I call Muskism extravagant extreme capitalism, extraterrestrial capitalism where stock 23 00:01:47,316 --> 00:01:51,756 Speaker 2: prices are driven by earnings but also by fantasies. Fantasies 24 00:01:51,796 --> 00:01:55,076 Speaker 2: that you can find in blockbuster superhero movies, but that 25 00:01:55,196 --> 00:01:57,436 Speaker 2: come from science fiction, some of it. 26 00:01:57,916 --> 00:02:00,396 Speaker 1: A century old. 27 00:02:02,116 --> 00:02:05,796 Speaker 2: Elon Musk runs a rocket company. It's called space X, 28 00:02:06,356 --> 00:02:11,276 Speaker 2: his artificial intelligence company x AI, the name he gave 29 00:02:11,316 --> 00:02:15,836 Speaker 2: to Twitter after he bought it. X. Musk loves the 30 00:02:15,916 --> 00:02:20,316 Speaker 2: letter X, one of his first big startups, X dot com. 31 00:02:20,996 --> 00:02:24,076 Speaker 2: X is sexy as an X rated, but X is 32 00:02:24,116 --> 00:02:28,996 Speaker 2: sexy because X means mysterious and X means mysterious because 33 00:02:28,996 --> 00:02:32,036 Speaker 2: In sixteen thirty seven, when Renee Descartes sat down to 34 00:02:32,036 --> 00:02:35,476 Speaker 2: write a treatise on geometry, he decided to use X, Y, 35 00:02:35,516 --> 00:02:39,116 Speaker 2: and Z for variables, but his printer setting the type 36 00:02:39,596 --> 00:02:42,876 Speaker 2: kept running out of ys and z's but not x's 37 00:02:42,916 --> 00:02:45,436 Speaker 2: because you don't use X very often in French, so 38 00:02:45,476 --> 00:02:53,996 Speaker 2: he used mostly x's X the unknown. In the twentieth century, 39 00:02:54,556 --> 00:02:57,316 Speaker 2: X became science fiction writer's favorite letter of. 40 00:02:57,316 --> 00:02:59,236 Speaker 1: The alphabet. 41 00:03:05,556 --> 00:03:09,116 Speaker 2: X for extraterrestrial, as in the film The Strange World 42 00:03:09,236 --> 00:03:10,196 Speaker 2: of Planet X. 43 00:03:10,476 --> 00:03:13,676 Speaker 3: Be prepared for a fantastic adventure into. 44 00:03:13,396 --> 00:03:19,236 Speaker 2: The future, a monstrous world of terror and chaos. By 45 00:03:19,276 --> 00:03:23,956 Speaker 2: the nineteen nineties x men, xbox, x files, and then 46 00:03:24,316 --> 00:03:30,876 Speaker 2: Elon Muskin x, dot com, SpaceX. Something strange was happening 47 00:03:30,876 --> 00:03:33,476 Speaker 2: to capitalism. As the gap between the rich and the 48 00:03:33,476 --> 00:03:37,316 Speaker 2: poor got wider and wider, the claims of corporations got 49 00:03:37,356 --> 00:03:40,516 Speaker 2: more and more grandiose. Google opened an R and D 50 00:03:40,596 --> 00:03:44,036 Speaker 2: division called X, whose aim was to solve some of 51 00:03:44,076 --> 00:03:49,036 Speaker 2: the world's hardest problems. Tech companies started talking about their mission, 52 00:03:49,076 --> 00:03:53,196 Speaker 2: and their mission was always magnificently inflated, transforming the future 53 00:03:53,236 --> 00:03:56,516 Speaker 2: of work, connecting all of humanity, making. 54 00:03:56,236 --> 00:03:57,316 Speaker 1: The world a better place. 55 00:03:58,836 --> 00:04:02,396 Speaker 2: Scholars kept groping for adjectives to describe these new brands 56 00:04:02,396 --> 00:04:08,596 Speaker 2: of capitalism. Surveillance capitalism, platform capitalism, identity capitalism, What about 57 00:04:08,676 --> 00:04:15,196 Speaker 2: just capitalism X for extreme extravagant existential A capitalism in 58 00:04:15,196 --> 00:04:20,276 Speaker 2: which companies worry very publicly and quite feverishly about planetary disaster, 59 00:04:20,916 --> 00:04:23,956 Speaker 2: about the all too real catastrophe of climate change, but 60 00:04:24,036 --> 00:04:27,556 Speaker 2: also about all sorts of so called existential risks to 61 00:04:27,596 --> 00:04:30,796 Speaker 2: the future of the human race, so that they can 62 00:04:30,876 --> 00:04:35,716 Speaker 2: save us all. A capitalism animated by catastrophe, A capitalism 63 00:04:35,796 --> 00:04:40,556 Speaker 2: driven by science fiction and driven to by the disavowal 64 00:04:40,676 --> 00:04:41,116 Speaker 2: of its. 65 00:04:40,956 --> 00:04:47,596 Speaker 1: Own origins to recover that history. 66 00:04:47,956 --> 00:04:51,516 Speaker 2: Each episode of X Men were blasting off to the past. 67 00:04:52,196 --> 00:04:59,036 Speaker 2: This episode is called Dimension X. Our first destination and 68 00:04:59,076 --> 00:05:02,596 Speaker 2: time and space is South Africa in the nineteen seventies. 69 00:05:03,476 --> 00:05:06,756 Speaker 2: Elon Musk was born in Pretoria in nineteen seventy one. 70 00:05:07,356 --> 00:05:10,676 Speaker 2: His father, Errol, was an engineer who owned a construction business. 71 00:05:11,116 --> 00:05:13,836 Speaker 2: His mother was a former model. They had three kids. 72 00:05:14,156 --> 00:05:17,116 Speaker 2: Elon was the oldest. His parents got divorced when he 73 00:05:17,196 --> 00:05:20,556 Speaker 2: was still a boy. Eryl Musk has lately become a 74 00:05:20,556 --> 00:05:26,076 Speaker 2: prominent figure in his son's shadow. Outspoken and controversial, He's 75 00:05:26,116 --> 00:05:29,916 Speaker 2: compared the jailed far right activist Tommy Robinson to Nelson 76 00:05:29,956 --> 00:05:34,316 Speaker 2: Mandela and predicted Robinson would one day be Britain's Prime Minister. 77 00:05:35,436 --> 00:05:39,236 Speaker 2: Eryl Musk's relationship with his oldest son is fraud, but 78 00:05:39,316 --> 00:05:42,876 Speaker 2: he's always maintained that Elon is a genius, as he 79 00:05:42,876 --> 00:05:45,636 Speaker 2: did about a decade ago during an interview with South 80 00:05:45,636 --> 00:05:47,556 Speaker 2: Africa's Radio seven oh two. 81 00:05:47,876 --> 00:05:50,396 Speaker 4: Is something about Elon that's an X factor? 82 00:05:51,116 --> 00:05:54,836 Speaker 5: What is that? Yeah? I would say that he's always 83 00:05:54,916 --> 00:05:56,396 Speaker 5: been a very deep thinker. 84 00:05:57,236 --> 00:05:57,436 Speaker 4: Yeah. 85 00:05:57,516 --> 00:05:59,996 Speaker 5: When he was very small, for example, he would ask me, 86 00:06:00,996 --> 00:06:02,396 Speaker 5: where is the whole world? 87 00:06:03,076 --> 00:06:05,916 Speaker 2: The story of Elon Musk's childhood, as it's usually told, 88 00:06:06,356 --> 00:06:09,036 Speaker 2: is right out of science fiction, from a genre known 89 00:06:09,356 --> 00:06:12,636 Speaker 2: as the boy Wonder story. My favorites are the Tom 90 00:06:12,716 --> 00:06:15,916 Speaker 2: Swift books series that started in nineteen ten. 91 00:06:16,676 --> 00:06:20,996 Speaker 6: Tom Swift and his Electric Runabout, the speediest car on 92 00:06:21,076 --> 00:06:26,956 Speaker 6: the road. Barton Swift, esteemed inventor, was drawing a complicated machine, 93 00:06:27,316 --> 00:06:30,996 Speaker 6: pausing to make some intricate calculations when his young son 94 00:06:31,196 --> 00:06:38,516 Speaker 6: interrupted him. 95 00:06:35,196 --> 00:06:37,316 Speaker 7: I'm gonna build an electric runabout. 96 00:06:37,396 --> 00:06:43,796 Speaker 4: Dad. Hmmm, I don't take much stock in electric autos. Tom. 97 00:06:43,836 --> 00:06:47,636 Speaker 4: All the electric runabouts I ever saw didn't seem able 98 00:06:47,676 --> 00:06:51,796 Speaker 4: to go so very fast, oh very far. 99 00:06:52,396 --> 00:06:55,636 Speaker 7: That's true, but it's because they didn't have the right 100 00:06:55,716 --> 00:06:58,756 Speaker 7: kind of battery. It seems to me that if you 101 00:06:58,836 --> 00:07:01,436 Speaker 7: put the right kind of battery into an automobile, it 102 00:07:01,476 --> 00:07:03,676 Speaker 7: could scoot along pretty lively. 103 00:07:05,036 --> 00:07:08,196 Speaker 2: That Tom Swift story was published more than a century ago. 104 00:07:08,476 --> 00:07:10,956 Speaker 2: But the way well Musk tells it, little Elon was 105 00:07:10,996 --> 00:07:12,316 Speaker 2: that same boy wonder. 106 00:07:12,516 --> 00:07:15,356 Speaker 5: When the computers came out right in the beginning, he 107 00:07:15,436 --> 00:07:18,476 Speaker 5: came to me and said he would like to have 108 00:07:18,636 --> 00:07:22,316 Speaker 5: one of these new computers. 109 00:07:23,636 --> 00:07:26,396 Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty four, when Elon Musk was twelve, he 110 00:07:26,476 --> 00:07:30,116 Speaker 2: sold a video game to PC magazine for five hundred dollars. 111 00:07:30,436 --> 00:07:36,436 Speaker 2: It's called Blastar Black Screen, little squary blobs, Space Invader 112 00:07:36,476 --> 00:07:41,156 Speaker 2: style our mission destroy alien freighter carrying deadly hydrogen bombs 113 00:07:41,156 --> 00:07:46,276 Speaker 2: and status beam machines. So don't get me wrong, Elon 114 00:07:46,396 --> 00:07:49,596 Speaker 2: Musk really was a whiz kid. And when Elon Musk 115 00:07:49,636 --> 00:07:52,316 Speaker 2: tells his own origin story, like when he spoke at 116 00:07:52,356 --> 00:07:55,356 Speaker 2: the Computer History Museum in California, that's how. 117 00:07:55,196 --> 00:07:55,716 Speaker 1: He tells it. 118 00:07:56,076 --> 00:07:57,676 Speaker 8: I was very prairie booker, so I was reading all 119 00:07:57,716 --> 00:08:00,236 Speaker 8: the time. So I was either reading, working on my computer, 120 00:08:00,356 --> 00:08:01,476 Speaker 8: or reading comics. 121 00:08:01,796 --> 00:08:03,796 Speaker 2: He read a lot of books, but he says that 122 00:08:03,876 --> 00:08:07,356 Speaker 2: one book above all became his guide for life, the 123 00:08:07,436 --> 00:08:08,596 Speaker 2: Elon Musk Bible. 124 00:08:09,236 --> 00:08:12,516 Speaker 8: When I was twelve or thirteen, a head company existential crisis, 125 00:08:12,516 --> 00:08:14,876 Speaker 8: and I was reading various books trying to figure out 126 00:08:14,876 --> 00:08:17,356 Speaker 8: the meaning of life. And we happened to have like 127 00:08:17,596 --> 00:08:19,916 Speaker 8: some books by Nietzschen Schopenhauer in the house, which you 128 00:08:19,956 --> 00:08:25,196 Speaker 8: should not read at age fourteen is bad, it's really negative. 129 00:08:28,316 --> 00:08:30,396 Speaker 8: Then I read The Hitchhiker's Guide the galaxyat which was 130 00:08:30,516 --> 00:08:31,556 Speaker 8: quite positive, I think. 131 00:08:32,076 --> 00:08:35,436 Speaker 2: In Douglas Adams is Hitchhiker's Guide, the people of Megalithia 132 00:08:35,556 --> 00:08:38,596 Speaker 2: built an enormous computer to ask it a question about life, 133 00:08:38,876 --> 00:08:42,876 Speaker 2: the universe and everything, and after thinking for millions of years, 134 00:08:42,876 --> 00:08:44,756 Speaker 2: it answers forty two. 135 00:08:45,636 --> 00:08:47,516 Speaker 1: Musk says that taught him a. 136 00:08:47,556 --> 00:08:50,196 Speaker 8: Lesson a lot of times, the question is hotter than 137 00:08:50,236 --> 00:08:52,756 Speaker 8: the answer, and if you can properly phrase the question, 138 00:08:53,196 --> 00:08:54,956 Speaker 8: then the answer is the easy part. 139 00:08:55,156 --> 00:08:58,116 Speaker 2: The Hitchhiker's Guide didn't start out as a book. Adams 140 00:08:58,116 --> 00:09:01,276 Speaker 2: wrote it for BBC Radio four, and starting in nineteen 141 00:09:01,356 --> 00:09:04,476 Speaker 2: seventy eight it was broadcast on the BBC World Service, 142 00:09:04,796 --> 00:09:08,316 Speaker 2: including to Pretoria l What was. 143 00:09:10,996 --> 00:09:15,716 Speaker 3: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams? Far 144 00:09:15,796 --> 00:09:18,436 Speaker 3: back in the mists of ancient time, in the great 145 00:09:18,476 --> 00:09:23,716 Speaker 3: and glorious days of the former Galactic Empire, life was wild, rich, 146 00:09:23,996 --> 00:09:28,236 Speaker 3: and on the whole tax free. Many men, of course, 147 00:09:28,276 --> 00:09:31,556 Speaker 3: became extremely rich, but this was perfectly natural and nothing 148 00:09:31,596 --> 00:09:33,836 Speaker 3: to be ashamed of, because no one was really poor, 149 00:09:33,876 --> 00:09:35,476 Speaker 3: at least no one worth. Speaking of. 150 00:09:37,956 --> 00:09:41,756 Speaker 2: The Hitchhiker's Guide, that is, begins with an indictment of 151 00:09:41,756 --> 00:09:44,916 Speaker 2: economic inequality. What was it like to listen to this 152 00:09:44,996 --> 00:09:50,596 Speaker 2: in South Africa under apartheid. Musk hardly ever talks about apartheid. 153 00:09:50,156 --> 00:09:52,636 Speaker 1: At least not publicly. I'm going to. 154 00:09:52,556 --> 00:09:54,596 Speaker 2: Talk about it for a while here because it's a 155 00:09:54,636 --> 00:09:57,756 Speaker 2: crucial piece of this history. But first, let me be 156 00:09:57,836 --> 00:10:01,116 Speaker 2: really clear. White people who happened to grow up in 157 00:10:01,116 --> 00:10:04,156 Speaker 2: South Africa under apartheid in the nineteen seventies and nineteen 158 00:10:04,196 --> 00:10:08,916 Speaker 2: eighties are not responsible for apartheid. Peter Teel, another Silicon 159 00:10:09,436 --> 00:10:12,716 Speaker 2: entrepreneur and later a key business partner of Elon Musk's, 160 00:10:13,156 --> 00:10:15,596 Speaker 2: also lived in South Africa for a while as a kid. 161 00:10:16,236 --> 00:10:17,196 Speaker 1: They were children. 162 00:10:18,036 --> 00:10:21,436 Speaker 2: Also, Musk left South Africa when he was seventeen to 163 00:10:21,516 --> 00:10:24,956 Speaker 2: avoid being conscripted into the army, the army that imposed 164 00:10:24,996 --> 00:10:29,636 Speaker 2: and enforced the regime. I'm not placing blame here. Still, 165 00:10:29,756 --> 00:10:31,756 Speaker 2: I do think there's a weird way in which the 166 00:10:31,796 --> 00:10:35,836 Speaker 2: culture of apartheid found expression in the nineteen nineties in 167 00:10:35,916 --> 00:10:37,676 Speaker 2: Silicon Valley's Vision. 168 00:10:37,476 --> 00:10:38,116 Speaker 1: Of the Future. 169 00:10:38,196 --> 00:10:40,436 Speaker 2: You know, you've said that apartheid is a habit of mind. 170 00:10:40,636 --> 00:10:43,316 Speaker 2: Can you tell me what you mean by that? I 171 00:10:43,356 --> 00:10:46,956 Speaker 2: called up Jacob Glamini, a professor of African History at Princeton. 172 00:10:47,476 --> 00:10:50,276 Speaker 2: He grew up in South Africa, and he's written beautifully 173 00:10:50,316 --> 00:10:51,996 Speaker 2: and powerfully about apartheid. 174 00:10:52,276 --> 00:10:54,276 Speaker 9: What I mean by that is that so the partid 175 00:10:54,436 --> 00:10:58,076 Speaker 9: was not just a social and political and economic system, 176 00:10:58,076 --> 00:11:01,836 Speaker 9: but that it was also a cultural system which inculcated 177 00:11:02,116 --> 00:11:06,156 Speaker 9: in South Africans, both black and white, patterns of behavior, 178 00:11:06,476 --> 00:11:10,876 Speaker 9: ways of thinking. It's side to transform how people saw themselves, 179 00:11:10,876 --> 00:11:12,356 Speaker 9: but also how they saw the world. 180 00:11:12,876 --> 00:11:17,196 Speaker 10: The color question is rapidly increasing in seriousness and urgency. 181 00:11:18,276 --> 00:11:22,796 Speaker 10: I consider a Partheight to be South Africa's lost chance 182 00:11:23,356 --> 00:11:25,356 Speaker 10: to remain a white man's country. 183 00:11:27,116 --> 00:11:31,676 Speaker 2: Apartheid, which means aparthood, began in nineteen forty eight. That 184 00:11:31,756 --> 00:11:34,556 Speaker 2: same year, nineteen forty eight, Elon Musk's mother was born 185 00:11:34,596 --> 00:11:38,676 Speaker 2: in Canada. Her father, jay N. Haldeman, was an ardent 186 00:11:38,756 --> 00:11:43,156 Speaker 2: conservative and anti communist. In nineteen fifty, Haldeman moved his 187 00:11:43,196 --> 00:11:46,716 Speaker 2: family to South Africa. Was there a lot of immigration 188 00:11:46,836 --> 00:11:50,556 Speaker 2: from say North America to South Africa after apartheid was declared? 189 00:11:51,156 --> 00:11:53,636 Speaker 2: I just find that like an odd journey for a 190 00:11:53,676 --> 00:11:55,236 Speaker 2: family to make in nineteen fifty. 191 00:11:55,716 --> 00:11:59,356 Speaker 9: Oh yeah, I think that is quite striking. There is 192 00:11:59,436 --> 00:12:03,596 Speaker 9: this conscious airport and conscious attempt to recruit people to 193 00:12:03,756 --> 00:12:06,676 Speaker 9: South Africa to beef up white numbers to a point 194 00:12:06,716 --> 00:12:10,556 Speaker 9: where blacks would not be such a demographic threat. You know, 195 00:12:10,636 --> 00:12:14,556 Speaker 9: here's a place, you know, with amazing sunshine, great weather, 196 00:12:15,316 --> 00:12:18,876 Speaker 9: and you can actually live like a king or a queen. 197 00:12:19,716 --> 00:12:23,076 Speaker 2: Elon Musk's mother published a memoir in twenty twenty. It's 198 00:12:23,116 --> 00:12:26,156 Speaker 2: called A Woman Makes a Plan Advice for a lifetime 199 00:12:26,156 --> 00:12:29,796 Speaker 2: of adventure, beauty and Success. A lot of the book 200 00:12:29,836 --> 00:12:31,876 Speaker 2: is about growing up in South Africa in the nineteen 201 00:12:31,916 --> 00:12:35,476 Speaker 2: fifties and nineteen sixties. She says her parents were persuaded 202 00:12:35,516 --> 00:12:38,076 Speaker 2: to move there from Canada by missionaries who talked of 203 00:12:38,116 --> 00:12:43,036 Speaker 2: its beauty. Not once does she mention apartheid. Domini says 204 00:12:43,156 --> 00:12:46,676 Speaker 2: that's not unusual that the regime organized itself around acts 205 00:12:46,716 --> 00:12:52,436 Speaker 2: of forgetting and erasure, including pretending the native population somehow 206 00:12:52,436 --> 00:12:53,636 Speaker 2: didn't even exist. 207 00:12:53,956 --> 00:12:56,556 Speaker 9: Unlike in the Americas, right, you know, where the indigenous 208 00:12:56,556 --> 00:13:00,516 Speaker 9: populations were annihilated, the South Afcana Gas is different. The 209 00:13:00,596 --> 00:13:04,276 Speaker 9: vast majority of the population is not annihilated, and whatever 210 00:13:04,316 --> 00:13:06,276 Speaker 9: you have to build has to be built around this 211 00:13:06,356 --> 00:13:08,676 Speaker 9: idea that the natives have not disappeared. 212 00:13:09,196 --> 00:13:12,156 Speaker 2: A resistance movement rose up, led beginning in the nineteen 213 00:13:12,196 --> 00:13:14,916 Speaker 2: sixties by a young lawyer, Nelson Mandela. 214 00:13:15,476 --> 00:13:21,316 Speaker 9: The Africans require the franchise on the basis. 215 00:13:20,916 --> 00:13:22,156 Speaker 2: Of one man, one vote. 216 00:13:22,356 --> 00:13:23,836 Speaker 4: They won political independence. 217 00:13:24,596 --> 00:13:28,196 Speaker 2: Mandela was sent to prison in nineteen sixty two. Meanwhile, 218 00:13:28,436 --> 00:13:29,716 Speaker 2: the resistance grew. 219 00:13:31,236 --> 00:13:31,836 Speaker 5: Radioprio. 220 00:13:32,916 --> 00:13:35,956 Speaker 2: The Boys of the African National Congress, the U and 221 00:13:36,036 --> 00:13:39,396 Speaker 2: General Assembly denounced the apartheid regime in nineteen seventy three. 222 00:13:40,316 --> 00:13:43,836 Speaker 2: Two years later, right about when Elon Musk was starting kindergarten, 223 00:13:44,236 --> 00:13:47,236 Speaker 2: police opened fire on thousands of school children during a 224 00:13:47,276 --> 00:13:50,116 Speaker 2: protest and Soweto were playing. 225 00:13:49,916 --> 00:13:52,996 Speaker 5: In the yard in the school yard and the stituating 226 00:13:53,036 --> 00:13:55,556 Speaker 5: Atrendo in the process. 227 00:13:55,236 --> 00:13:56,276 Speaker 6: Hitting three kids. 228 00:13:57,116 --> 00:14:00,796 Speaker 2: These were black children. White children went to white schools. 229 00:14:01,156 --> 00:14:03,796 Speaker 9: Black people had to pay for their education, but whites didn't. 230 00:14:04,396 --> 00:14:06,956 Speaker 9: Some people were jogging. It was actually socialism for whites 231 00:14:06,996 --> 00:14:10,196 Speaker 9: and capitalism for blacks. Right, That's how a party it 232 00:14:10,236 --> 00:14:13,836 Speaker 9: actually justified itself that you know, we are creating a 233 00:14:13,996 --> 00:14:16,636 Speaker 9: class of successful white people. 234 00:14:16,956 --> 00:14:20,396 Speaker 2: People who ran construction businesses like Eryl Musk. Elon's father 235 00:14:20,796 --> 00:14:23,156 Speaker 2: made a lot of money in the apartheid era, building 236 00:14:23,276 --> 00:14:26,596 Speaker 2: two of everything, one for blacks and one for whites. 237 00:14:27,316 --> 00:14:29,796 Speaker 2: For whites, they built a fantasy. 238 00:14:29,356 --> 00:14:32,036 Speaker 9: World ideologically, I think one of the successes of a 239 00:14:32,116 --> 00:14:35,476 Speaker 9: part daid was in making white South often believe that 240 00:14:35,596 --> 00:14:39,236 Speaker 9: everything they achieved was through individual initiative, and everything that 241 00:14:39,276 --> 00:14:43,276 Speaker 9: they ever got in life was through their own hard work, 242 00:14:43,636 --> 00:14:45,516 Speaker 9: you know, never mind the fact that the system was 243 00:14:45,556 --> 00:14:48,316 Speaker 9: designed to in some ways give them all the benefit 244 00:14:48,396 --> 00:14:51,396 Speaker 9: and to give them all the resources to gether in life. 245 00:14:51,956 --> 00:14:55,076 Speaker 2: It's so interesting because the starkness of that divide, you know, 246 00:14:55,116 --> 00:15:01,196 Speaker 2: the rigidity of the separation, has so many earlier representations 247 00:15:01,196 --> 00:15:03,156 Speaker 2: in the world of science fiction, right, Like so much 248 00:15:03,196 --> 00:15:06,596 Speaker 2: of H. G. Wells's science fiction is about what about 249 00:15:06,596 --> 00:15:09,916 Speaker 2: a terrible, awful future in which we divide people into 250 00:15:09,956 --> 00:15:11,836 Speaker 2: some who will live underground and do all of the 251 00:15:11,916 --> 00:15:14,076 Speaker 2: work for us, and we will never see them, and 252 00:15:14,116 --> 00:15:16,476 Speaker 2: we will pretend they don't even exist, and those of 253 00:15:16,556 --> 00:15:18,636 Speaker 2: us who will live in the skies and in the clouds. 254 00:15:18,676 --> 00:15:22,356 Speaker 2: And to me, sometimes when I think about what Silicon 255 00:15:22,436 --> 00:15:25,676 Speaker 2: Valley is imagining, we will colonize Mars, and some people 256 00:15:25,716 --> 00:15:28,796 Speaker 2: will go there who really need to be relieved of. 257 00:15:28,796 --> 00:15:30,516 Speaker 1: Their experience on Earth. 258 00:15:31,716 --> 00:15:33,836 Speaker 2: I mean, am I off base to say that some 259 00:15:33,916 --> 00:15:38,996 Speaker 2: of that seems to revive these notions of very very 260 00:15:38,996 --> 00:15:40,156 Speaker 2: strict hierarchies. 261 00:15:40,796 --> 00:15:43,956 Speaker 9: I don't think you off based at all, Jill. I mean, 262 00:15:44,116 --> 00:15:45,956 Speaker 9: I think you've put your finger on it. And of 263 00:15:45,996 --> 00:15:49,076 Speaker 9: course we don't want to instrumentalize this and see you know, 264 00:15:49,156 --> 00:15:51,756 Speaker 9: it has just cause an effect. But I think there's 265 00:15:51,796 --> 00:15:55,316 Speaker 9: a strong case to be made for the connection between 266 00:15:55,516 --> 00:16:01,156 Speaker 9: the Sabarti dystopia and this idealized version of a world 267 00:16:01,196 --> 00:16:04,516 Speaker 9: where the elites don't have to share their oxygen with 268 00:16:05,116 --> 00:16:06,036 Speaker 9: lesser beings. 269 00:16:06,876 --> 00:16:09,556 Speaker 2: So I listened to The Hitchhiker's Guide, and I find 270 00:16:09,596 --> 00:16:11,516 Speaker 2: it strange that the Elon Musk is such a fan, 271 00:16:12,236 --> 00:16:13,956 Speaker 2: because a lot of it sounds to me like an 272 00:16:13,956 --> 00:16:17,556 Speaker 2: indictment of people just like him, or like Amazon's Jeff Bezos. 273 00:16:17,556 --> 00:16:20,956 Speaker 2: The mega rich, with their privately owned rockets blasting off 274 00:16:20,956 --> 00:16:23,196 Speaker 2: to other planets. 275 00:16:22,396 --> 00:16:26,436 Speaker 3: And for these extremely rich merchants, life eventually became rather dull, 276 00:16:26,516 --> 00:16:28,796 Speaker 3: and it seemed that none of the worlds they settled 277 00:16:28,796 --> 00:16:33,516 Speaker 3: on was entirely satisfactory. Either the climate wasn't quite right 278 00:16:33,556 --> 00:16:36,516 Speaker 3: in the later part of the afternoon, or the day 279 00:16:36,676 --> 00:16:39,116 Speaker 3: was half an hour too long, or the sea was 280 00:16:39,516 --> 00:16:43,236 Speaker 3: just the wrong shade of pink, and thus where it 281 00:16:43,316 --> 00:16:47,316 Speaker 3: created the conditions for a staggering new form of industry, 282 00:16:48,316 --> 00:16:50,836 Speaker 3: custom made luxury planet building. 283 00:16:52,556 --> 00:16:56,596 Speaker 2: Also hear me out, I think the Hitchhiker's Guide, broadcast 284 00:16:56,676 --> 00:16:59,196 Speaker 2: by the BBC in the nineteen seventies, just when the 285 00:16:59,236 --> 00:17:04,396 Speaker 2: world was condemning apartheid, sounds quite specifically as though it's 286 00:17:04,436 --> 00:17:08,196 Speaker 2: an indictment of apartheid like social and economic systems. And 287 00:17:08,276 --> 00:17:13,436 Speaker 2: I don't think I'm over reading. Douglas Adams wrote Hitchhiker's 288 00:17:13,476 --> 00:17:16,716 Speaker 2: Guide on a Hermes manual typewriter. One key is more 289 00:17:16,796 --> 00:17:20,556 Speaker 2: worn down than the rest, the letter X. And you 290 00:17:20,596 --> 00:17:23,316 Speaker 2: know what was on the side of that typewriter, a sticker. 291 00:17:23,956 --> 00:17:32,076 Speaker 2: It says end apartheid. When Elon Musk started college at 292 00:17:32,116 --> 00:17:36,356 Speaker 2: the University of Pretoria, apartheid was on the verge of collapse. 293 00:17:36,716 --> 00:17:41,996 Speaker 10: Today the mighty off South Africa back and why a 294 00:17:42,116 --> 00:17:44,516 Speaker 10: back up nine has. 295 00:17:44,476 --> 00:17:47,756 Speaker 2: No huge hib By then, in nineteen ninety, when Mandela 296 00:17:47,876 --> 00:17:51,436 Speaker 2: was released after twenty seven years in prison, Elon Musk 297 00:17:51,476 --> 00:17:54,476 Speaker 2: had left South Africa behind to launch his new life 298 00:17:54,796 --> 00:17:58,796 Speaker 2: in North America. After studying at the University of Pretoria, 299 00:17:59,196 --> 00:18:03,076 Speaker 2: Elon Musk traveled to Canada, where his maternal grandfather was from. 300 00:18:03,556 --> 00:18:05,516 Speaker 2: He wanted to get to the United States, but it 301 00:18:05,556 --> 00:18:08,836 Speaker 2: was easier to get a Canadian passport. Having broken with 302 00:18:08,916 --> 00:18:12,036 Speaker 2: his he flew to Montreal with nothing but a backpack, 303 00:18:12,436 --> 00:18:16,396 Speaker 2: then hitchhiked to Saskatchewan, where his grandfather had lived before 304 00:18:16,436 --> 00:18:19,676 Speaker 2: moving the family to South Africa. And it's this grandfather, 305 00:18:19,876 --> 00:18:22,436 Speaker 2: jay N. Haldeman, who I want to look at next, 306 00:18:22,796 --> 00:18:26,036 Speaker 2: because before he left Canada in the nineteen thirties, he'd 307 00:18:26,076 --> 00:18:29,196 Speaker 2: been a leader of a strange sci fi inspired movement 308 00:18:29,476 --> 00:18:34,556 Speaker 2: known as technocracy. It bears an uncanny resemblance to some 309 00:18:34,636 --> 00:18:39,676 Speaker 2: things going on today in Silicon Valley, repackaged as existential 310 00:18:39,796 --> 00:18:40,996 Speaker 2: risk futurism. 311 00:18:41,556 --> 00:18:45,916 Speaker 4: What Technocracy Inc. Is chiefly engaged in now is the 312 00:18:46,036 --> 00:18:50,716 Speaker 4: organization of an army of trained men and women who, 313 00:18:50,836 --> 00:18:55,076 Speaker 4: when the present interference controls break down and the intricate 314 00:18:55,116 --> 00:18:59,316 Speaker 4: machinery of production and distribution is in danger of stopping, 315 00:18:59,836 --> 00:19:03,396 Speaker 4: will be able to prevent that catastrophe before it is 316 00:19:03,516 --> 00:19:04,036 Speaker 4: too late. 317 00:19:04,756 --> 00:19:08,076 Speaker 2: So this sounds like science fiction, but this really happened. 318 00:19:08,516 --> 00:19:12,476 Speaker 2: People in the technocracy movement, they called themselves technocrats, wanted 319 00:19:12,556 --> 00:19:16,396 Speaker 2: engineers and scientists to run governments. They took their inspiration 320 00:19:16,676 --> 00:19:19,796 Speaker 2: from science fiction, where engineers and scientists. 321 00:19:19,396 --> 00:19:20,676 Speaker 1: Were always solving problems. 322 00:19:21,116 --> 00:19:24,436 Speaker 2: They were suspicious of democracy and also of capitalism. 323 00:19:24,796 --> 00:19:29,396 Speaker 4: Biprice system is not meant merely the capitalistic system, which 324 00:19:29,436 --> 00:19:33,116 Speaker 4: is only one variety of the species. It means the 325 00:19:33,196 --> 00:19:38,196 Speaker 4: collapse and complete obsolescence of the entire method of distributing 326 00:19:38,276 --> 00:19:42,996 Speaker 4: goods and services by means of a price. There will 327 00:19:43,036 --> 00:19:48,236 Speaker 4: be no place for politics or politicians finance, so financiers 328 00:19:48,556 --> 00:19:50,356 Speaker 4: rackets are racketeers. 329 00:19:50,996 --> 00:19:54,676 Speaker 2: Grant Weitdoff teaches Digital Humanities and American Studies at Princeton. 330 00:19:55,116 --> 00:19:57,756 Speaker 2: He says the technocracy movement started in New York in 331 00:19:57,836 --> 00:20:01,316 Speaker 2: nineteen nineteen with a guy who ran a floor waxing business. 332 00:20:01,676 --> 00:20:05,116 Speaker 11: His idea was that engineers had these unique qualities that 333 00:20:05,116 --> 00:20:08,116 Speaker 11: would somehow make them good social leaders. They could assess 334 00:20:08,156 --> 00:20:10,836 Speaker 11: a situation from a bou they would come up with 335 00:20:10,956 --> 00:20:15,956 Speaker 11: much more rational or economic solutions than politicians or economic 336 00:20:16,036 --> 00:20:16,996 Speaker 11: leaders would. 337 00:20:17,556 --> 00:20:19,996 Speaker 2: Then, with the stock market crash of nineteen twenty nine 338 00:20:20,036 --> 00:20:23,236 Speaker 2: and the depression that followed, democracies were collapsing all over 339 00:20:23,316 --> 00:20:26,116 Speaker 2: the world. Technocracy really had its moment. 340 00:20:26,436 --> 00:20:29,916 Speaker 11: Local chapters at that point had sprung up everywhere across 341 00:20:29,956 --> 00:20:33,396 Speaker 11: the US and Canada, and each of those chapters start 342 00:20:33,876 --> 00:20:37,676 Speaker 11: putting forward their own competing ideas. There's an invented unit 343 00:20:37,716 --> 00:20:40,316 Speaker 11: of measure called the ERG. This is one solution that 344 00:20:40,356 --> 00:20:44,036 Speaker 11: we replace currency with units of energy, depended on how 345 00:20:44,116 --> 00:20:47,436 Speaker 11: much energy a single worker is capable of producing in 346 00:20:47,436 --> 00:20:49,796 Speaker 11: a given day and how much they should get in 347 00:20:49,836 --> 00:20:51,356 Speaker 11: return for that work. 348 00:20:51,876 --> 00:20:53,756 Speaker 2: As far as I can tell, it's at this point 349 00:20:53,796 --> 00:20:57,916 Speaker 2: that Elon Musk's grandfather got involved with technocracy. He lost 350 00:20:57,916 --> 00:21:01,196 Speaker 2: his farm during the depression and ever after didn't believe 351 00:21:01,236 --> 00:21:04,116 Speaker 2: in banks or banking. A lot of people felt that way, 352 00:21:04,796 --> 00:21:06,636 Speaker 2: and some of them were drawn into the set of 353 00:21:06,676 --> 00:21:09,756 Speaker 2: ideas about a different way of thinking of about money. 354 00:21:10,156 --> 00:21:12,876 Speaker 11: And some of the chapters start doing odd things to 355 00:21:12,956 --> 00:21:15,076 Speaker 11: kind of get their message across. They start wearing these 356 00:21:15,516 --> 00:21:22,156 Speaker 11: identical gray uniforms, driving these gray cars in these large parades, 357 00:21:22,676 --> 00:21:27,156 Speaker 11: blasting speeches out of megaphones. They adopt this yin yang 358 00:21:27,516 --> 00:21:31,116 Speaker 11: symbol on all of their uniforms and all of their signs. 359 00:21:31,676 --> 00:21:33,636 Speaker 2: I'm kind of pulled in two different directions, you know. 360 00:21:33,716 --> 00:21:38,116 Speaker 2: On the one hand, I just think they're nuts. On 361 00:21:38,396 --> 00:21:40,716 Speaker 2: the other hand, it seems to reflect an enormous amount 362 00:21:40,756 --> 00:21:43,796 Speaker 2: of anguish and uncertainty, but it has a kind of 363 00:21:43,876 --> 00:21:46,836 Speaker 2: quasi fascistic feel to be how should we read that? 364 00:21:47,716 --> 00:21:49,756 Speaker 11: Technocracy from the start was caught up in a lot 365 00:21:49,756 --> 00:21:53,196 Speaker 11: of different science fictional imaginarys that it didn't always have 366 00:21:53,396 --> 00:21:58,556 Speaker 11: full perspective on. They want to write themselves into these 367 00:21:58,596 --> 00:22:03,356 Speaker 11: gleaming science fictional futures that they are obsessed with, but 368 00:22:03,676 --> 00:22:06,476 Speaker 11: without actually thinking through what that would mean in practice, 369 00:22:06,916 --> 00:22:10,316 Speaker 11: what it would mean to replace an entire system of government. 370 00:22:13,036 --> 00:22:13,516 Speaker 1: Some of what. 371 00:22:13,516 --> 00:22:17,756 Speaker 2: Elon Musk and other Silicon Valley entrepreneurs now endorse, including 372 00:22:17,796 --> 00:22:21,276 Speaker 2: through DOGE the Department of Government Efficiency, bears more than 373 00:22:21,276 --> 00:22:26,716 Speaker 2: a family likeness to the technocracy movement. Libertarianism, deregulation of 374 00:22:26,756 --> 00:22:31,316 Speaker 2: the economy, faith that technological innovations can solve both political 375 00:22:31,396 --> 00:22:34,996 Speaker 2: and social problems, a critique of paper currency and the 376 00:22:35,036 --> 00:22:40,716 Speaker 2: price system. Also, for some reason, technocrats objected to personal names. 377 00:22:41,076 --> 00:22:45,756 Speaker 2: Musk's grandfather renamed himself one zero four five zero dash 378 00:22:45,996 --> 00:22:51,036 Speaker 2: zero one. Another technocrat called himself one x one eight 379 00:22:51,156 --> 00:22:54,956 Speaker 2: zero nine x five six like one of Elon Musk's 380 00:22:54,996 --> 00:22:58,476 Speaker 2: youngest children, a boy named x ash a twelve or 381 00:22:59,156 --> 00:23:04,436 Speaker 2: X for short. Elon Musk after that year in Saskatchewan 382 00:23:04,596 --> 00:23:08,556 Speaker 2: spent two years at Queen's University in Ontario. Then he 383 00:23:08,636 --> 00:23:12,316 Speaker 2: transferred to the University of Pennsylvania, graduating with degrees in 384 00:23:12,356 --> 00:23:13,956 Speaker 2: economics and physics. 385 00:23:14,276 --> 00:23:15,996 Speaker 1: He spent a summer interning. 386 00:23:15,596 --> 00:23:19,076 Speaker 2: At dot COM's in Silicon Valley, where things were getting wild. 387 00:23:19,356 --> 00:23:25,756 Speaker 2: It was a gold rush. In nineteen ninety five, the 388 00:23:25,836 --> 00:23:29,036 Speaker 2: Internet opened to commercial traffic for the first time. You 389 00:23:29,076 --> 00:23:33,316 Speaker 2: could buy stuff online. But how Musk started a PhD 390 00:23:33,436 --> 00:23:37,196 Speaker 2: program in material science engineering at Stanford but dropped out 391 00:23:37,276 --> 00:23:40,916 Speaker 2: after two days. As he later told CNN, back in. 392 00:23:40,916 --> 00:23:44,076 Speaker 8: Ninety five, there weren't very many people on the Internet, 393 00:23:44,676 --> 00:23:47,276 Speaker 8: and certainly nobody was making any money at all. Most 394 00:23:47,316 --> 00:23:49,396 Speaker 8: people thought the Internet was going to be a. 395 00:23:49,316 --> 00:23:53,436 Speaker 2: Fat Elon Musk started his first company, ZIP two, with 396 00:23:53,516 --> 00:23:56,316 Speaker 2: his brother and a friend. Everyone at the time was 397 00:23:56,316 --> 00:24:00,236 Speaker 2: trying to engage in what was called disruptive innovation, which 398 00:24:00,276 --> 00:24:04,756 Speaker 2: means destroy existing industries by doing things completely differently online. 399 00:24:05,636 --> 00:24:08,796 Speaker 2: Zip too, was a newspaper industry disruptive innovation. It helped 400 00:24:08,796 --> 00:24:12,956 Speaker 2: newspapers make the transition to online publishing, though it also 401 00:24:12,996 --> 00:24:17,036 Speaker 2: contributed to a crisis in journalism, all sorts of people 402 00:24:17,116 --> 00:24:21,076 Speaker 2: founded news aggregators and news feeds. Musk made his first 403 00:24:21,116 --> 00:24:24,676 Speaker 2: fortune in nineteen ninety nine he sold zip to for 404 00:24:24,796 --> 00:24:26,276 Speaker 2: three hundred million dollars. 405 00:24:26,516 --> 00:24:27,076 Speaker 6: Cash. 406 00:24:27,316 --> 00:24:30,116 Speaker 8: Receiving cash is cash. I mean those are just a 407 00:24:30,196 --> 00:24:31,716 Speaker 8: large number of band Franklins. 408 00:24:31,956 --> 00:24:35,716 Speaker 2: He then turned to thinking about online money technocrats. Like 409 00:24:35,716 --> 00:24:39,756 Speaker 2: his grandfather had wanted to abolish the price system, Musk 410 00:24:39,996 --> 00:24:42,676 Speaker 2: wanted to restructure the system of exchange itself. 411 00:24:43,196 --> 00:24:45,796 Speaker 3: This planet has or had a problem, which was this, 412 00:24:46,556 --> 00:24:48,876 Speaker 3: most of the people living on it were unhappy for 413 00:24:48,916 --> 00:24:52,396 Speaker 3: pretty much of the time. Many solutions were suggested for 414 00:24:52,476 --> 00:24:55,356 Speaker 3: this problem, but most of these were largely concerned with 415 00:24:55,436 --> 00:24:58,676 Speaker 3: the movements of small green pieces of paper, which is 416 00:24:58,716 --> 00:25:01,756 Speaker 3: odd because on the whole it wasn't the small green 417 00:25:01,796 --> 00:25:03,716 Speaker 3: pieces of paper that were unhappy. 418 00:25:04,676 --> 00:25:08,076 Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety nine, Musk founded a new company, X 419 00:25:08,276 --> 00:25:08,876 Speaker 2: dot com. 420 00:25:09,436 --> 00:25:11,156 Speaker 8: So this is an ATM, and what we're going to 421 00:25:11,236 --> 00:25:13,716 Speaker 8: do is transform the traditional banking industry. 422 00:25:14,636 --> 00:25:17,996 Speaker 2: Musk put millions of dollars into x dot com. He said, 423 00:25:18,196 --> 00:25:20,716 Speaker 2: selling one business and starting the next was like a 424 00:25:20,796 --> 00:25:23,476 Speaker 2: high stakes poker game. You win a big pot, you 425 00:25:23,596 --> 00:25:28,156 Speaker 2: risk it all all over again. This is called serial entrepreneurship. 426 00:25:28,596 --> 00:25:31,596 Speaker 2: Start it, sell it, raise venture capital to start the 427 00:25:31,636 --> 00:25:34,676 Speaker 2: next thing. Every time you do this, you've got to 428 00:25:34,676 --> 00:25:38,196 Speaker 2: come up with a story, characters, and a plot. Because 429 00:25:38,236 --> 00:25:41,276 Speaker 2: your investors don't have any real metrics, no earnings or profits, 430 00:25:41,356 --> 00:25:46,316 Speaker 2: no prices. Investors are buying your story. A startup doesn't 431 00:25:46,316 --> 00:25:49,236 Speaker 2: actually have to make anything, or do anything, or succeed 432 00:25:49,276 --> 00:25:52,756 Speaker 2: in any measurable way for a venture capitalist to make money. 433 00:25:52,996 --> 00:25:55,556 Speaker 2: That startup just has to sound good enough for someone 434 00:25:55,556 --> 00:25:58,036 Speaker 2: else to invest in it. All it has to do 435 00:25:58,156 --> 00:26:01,556 Speaker 2: is tell a really incredible story, and the more obviously, 436 00:26:01,596 --> 00:26:04,076 Speaker 2: the story comes straight out of the pages of science fiction. 437 00:26:04,716 --> 00:26:05,436 Speaker 8: The better. 438 00:26:08,596 --> 00:26:11,476 Speaker 2: X dot com described itself as an online bank, but 439 00:26:11,596 --> 00:26:14,516 Speaker 2: its founders soon discovered that people mostly wanted to use 440 00:26:14,556 --> 00:26:18,356 Speaker 2: it as an online payment system. Meanwhile, Peter Teal had 441 00:26:18,356 --> 00:26:22,556 Speaker 2: started a company called Confinity that could send payments between devices. 442 00:26:24,276 --> 00:26:27,916 Speaker 2: Teal worked as a securities lawyer before helping to found Confinity. 443 00:26:28,436 --> 00:26:30,636 Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety nine, the company launched. 444 00:26:30,316 --> 00:26:31,916 Speaker 1: A service it called PayPal. 445 00:26:32,516 --> 00:26:34,996 Speaker 2: If people were going to buy things online, they needed 446 00:26:35,036 --> 00:26:37,556 Speaker 2: to be able to pay for things online. As Teal 447 00:26:37,636 --> 00:26:42,076 Speaker 2: saw it, they were reinventing money. In two thousand confinityan 448 00:26:42,356 --> 00:26:46,036 Speaker 2: X dot Com merged. One thing Musk regrets is that 449 00:26:46,076 --> 00:26:52,156 Speaker 2: the company's product got called PayPal instead of X. The 450 00:26:52,156 --> 00:26:55,356 Speaker 2: founders of these companies became known as the PayPal Mafia 451 00:26:55,916 --> 00:26:58,436 Speaker 2: because they made staggering sums of money when PayPal went 452 00:26:58,476 --> 00:27:01,076 Speaker 2: public in two thousand and two and was later bought 453 00:27:01,156 --> 00:27:03,676 Speaker 2: by eBay, and then they went on to found their 454 00:27:03,716 --> 00:27:08,516 Speaker 2: own venture capital companies, funding other startups, including YouTube and Facebook. 455 00:27:09,356 --> 00:27:11,476 Speaker 2: X Capitalism was born. 456 00:27:15,756 --> 00:27:16,036 Speaker 6: Later. 457 00:27:16,356 --> 00:27:20,476 Speaker 2: Musk, nostalgic about this time in his life, reacquired the 458 00:27:20,476 --> 00:27:23,916 Speaker 2: domain X dot com. For a long time, there was 459 00:27:23,956 --> 00:27:26,836 Speaker 2: just a little X there on a blank page because 460 00:27:26,836 --> 00:27:29,436 Speaker 2: the only thing in the source code was the letter X. 461 00:27:30,116 --> 00:27:33,196 Speaker 2: Who was just waiting there when in twenty twenty two, 462 00:27:33,796 --> 00:27:39,516 Speaker 2: Musk bought Twitter and renamed it X. But we're skipping 463 00:27:39,556 --> 00:27:42,876 Speaker 2: ahead back in two thousand and two. Once Musk had 464 00:27:42,876 --> 00:27:46,356 Speaker 2: his PayPal fortune, he mostly used that money not to 465 00:27:46,356 --> 00:27:49,036 Speaker 2: fund other people's ventures, but to start a company of 466 00:27:49,076 --> 00:27:53,236 Speaker 2: his own, a rocket company, and for that he. 467 00:27:53,156 --> 00:27:55,836 Speaker 1: Needed a new origin story. 468 00:27:59,116 --> 00:28:02,596 Speaker 2: Next time on X men blasting off to Mars with 469 00:28:02,876 --> 00:28:03,636 Speaker 2: SpaceX