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Speaker 3: It's the greatest suspension entertainment can naked put carry champion

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Speaker 2: Kirk Franklin The Kirk Franklin. When people narrate parts of

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Speaker 2: It's a real thing. Kirk, I understand it, I understand.

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Speaker 2: And you're like, well, I can't. I'm compromised, And I couldn't.

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to compromise that. Have you ever felt

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Speaker 1: No, those things don't bother me, is I think? I

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, you know what we gotta do. We have

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Speaker 3: Kerry Champion and Kerry Champion is to be a champion,

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Speaker 1: That was being me? That was being me? And I

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Speaker 2: I loved it. You said, Marvin, get up here and

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Speaker 2: Am I wrong with the You have an album coming out.

436
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: I have a song coming out.

437
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 2: Tell me about the song.

438
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: It's a song called All Things, and I'm hoping that

439
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: it resonates with people and that it speaks to any

440
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: anxieties that people may have about you know, the economy

441
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: and in the years and and things that seem in limbo,

442
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: you know, just to remind them about who they rocking.

443
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 2: With all things? All things Okay? Do you sing just casually,

444
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 2: just acapella, just around the house?

445
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: Not really?

446
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 2: No. Is there anyone that you listen to that you like?

447
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a sing this while I'm washing dishes,

448
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 2: I'm a sing this while I'm in the shower. Anyone

449
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 2: that you listen to that would be like, Oh, I

450
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 2: didn't know Kirk listen to.

451
00:24:54,680 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: Me, oh man. As I listen to everything I listened to,

452
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: I listen to sting, I listen to a Dale I

453
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: listened to as I listen to old music, I listened

454
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: to a lot of older music. I listened to h Drake.

455
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 2: Listen. What's your favorite Drake song? Do you have a

456
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: favorite one or just a model that he has that

457
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 2: you listen to because you know he got a hook,

458
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 2: He's good on a hook, y'all good for a hook, y'all?

459
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 2: Give us something?

460
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: Is I like? The one that I really enjoy right now?

461
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: Probably that I listened to a lot is as I

462
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 1: listen to it's the first song off the album right

463
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: before him at twenty one.

464
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know that one. I don't even know why.

465
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 2: I don't know it. Probably I know it, but I

466
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 2: don't know it. It's the pretty boys, pretty boys versus

467
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 2: the petty boys. Where do you find yourself? Are you

468
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 2: petty or pretty? What would you say?

469
00:25:54,760 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: I think I'm pretty? I think I'm pretty.

470
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: Okay, I appreciate that, and you're very honest. Okay. So

471
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: with that being said, Look, with that being said, do

472
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: you think that there's a world where you and Drake

473
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 2: do an album together? I'm curious.

474
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: That would have to be something he would want. I mean,

475
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know where I would fit in

476
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: his landscape, you know, just coming from where I come from.

477
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, could he do a feature on

478
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 2: your album? Could he ever do a feature on one

479
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 2: of your albums?

480
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: Well? I don't even know if that's what he would

481
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: want to do, but yeah, yeah, yes, yes you want

482
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: to do.

483
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you want to do that?

484
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: Would like?

485
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 2: No, no, thank you?

486
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: Because he's Kurt Franklin. They're not in the same stratosphere. Okay,

487
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:58,479
Speaker 1: you got to be here?

488
00:26:58,640 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?

489
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: Oh? I am dog gone serious. I mean, yes he is.

490
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 1: He's one of the biggest streaming artists in the world.

491
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean you're not just as popular and

492
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 2: just as known are you you you're joking right, You've

493
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: been around far longer than him.

494
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: It's so sweet.

495
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: I'm not being sweet, I'm being real. It's okay, okay, okay,

496
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 2: Lebron or Jordan?

497
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 1: Oh Jordan, But I love Lebron? Is I love Lebron?

498
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 2: Interesting? So Jordan's is the Kobe or Lebron.

499
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: Both?

500
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? You got big one. You got big one. Can't

501
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: you can't between Kobe and Lebron.

502
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: No, it's not even Yeah, that's that's that's that's like

503
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 1: you're asking me, asking me to pick between oxygen and watery.

504
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, it's Kobe. It's Kobe all day.

505
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: It's Kobe all day. Although there's a generation that will

506
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: fight me and tell me no, that it's Lebron, and

507
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: some people will tell you Lebron is even over over Jordan.

508
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: I disagree. Jordan is the goat all day. I appreciate

509
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 2: that side note. The point being is you need both oxygen, water,

510
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 2: Drake and Kirk. It can happen. That's the point I'm

511
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: going back to that. That's the point I'm going back

512
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 2: to that.

513
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, you don't.

514
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 2: See okay, you heard it here first. If the collaboration

515
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: goes down. I would like you to come back on

516
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: the show and tell me that you were Like she

517
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 2: mentioned it.

518
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: I would be more than happy to say, how'd you

519
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: pull that off? Because if it happens, it happens because

520
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: of you.

521
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 2: Because we put it in the universe. Look, I look

522
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: up Ump in the track. I'm like, let me tell

523
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: you what's gonna be hot in these streets? Sir, you

524
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: need to do this. I wonder if you don't, if

525
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: can you indulge me for just a bit when you

526
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: do this this, when this song comes out tomorrow? Why

527
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: did you pick tomorrow? What single day? Myle fifth of

528
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: the May fifth? It just happens. How do you decide

529
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: when you're going to release your projects?

530
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that that's a bigger team question. I

531
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: think that that's you don't have a labels and the

532
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: systems that are there for me. You know, I'm just

533
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: praying that I'm delivering something that they can work with,

534
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, And so you know, that's always the prayer.

535
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: That's the bigger that's that's as big component.

536
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: I love that you're humble and I and I'm trying

537
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: to determine if you if I'm just really a stand

538
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: or or maybe you're not aware, like because you're really humble,

539
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: You're like, I hope it's just I hope it just works.

540
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: Do you? I don't what can you look around and

541
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: ask somebody what's not working? No?

542
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: That's well, well let me say this. What I'm saying

543
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: is that whatever I whatever I am, this is it that,

544
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: this is that whoever you're talking to, this is not

545
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: another version of me. This is me. But good bad

546
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: Florida are indifferent.

547
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: This is me all the good things. I love it.

548
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: I love it very.

549
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 3: Champion and Kerry Champion is to be a champion. O

550
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 3: a champion and carry chappion and carry chappy.

551
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: Out.

552
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 3: A champion and carry chappion and carry chaff.

553
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: Is the sports and entertainment.

554
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 2: Cant nakeet weird.

555
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: Harry Champion and carry chappy is to be a CHAMPIONTA

556
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 3: champion and carry CHAPPI and the girl lay a champion

557
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 3: and carry chapion and carry sheppy is the sports entertainment.

558
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: Gett Nickie Ward.

559
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna wrap up soon, but I really want to

560
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 2: ask you about your family, if you don't mind, sure,

561
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: What is the key to a long lasting marriage? Oh man?

562
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a key. It's I don't

563
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: know if there's a key. And and and I was

564
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: telling somebody earlier to day that I think that my

565
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: challenge is is I think we're moving into a time

566
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: that right now everything is so romanticized and there's such

567
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: an idolatrous posture about relationships that we don't humanize the imperfections.

568
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: It's almost like, uh, it's almost like makeup that that

569
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: that that makeup is not wrong. But when you live

570
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: in that space all the time, you're never showing the

571
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: real you, and it's not good for your skin. You

572
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: feel what I'm going you know, And I just think

573
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: that it's I just think that, you know, Like like

574
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: I told my wife and I told some friends, I said,

575
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: I do not like this. This this this landscape of

576
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: being part of a celebrity couple landscape. I find it.

577
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: I find it detestable. It's because I think that it's

578
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: not It doesn't give room for humanity. It doesn't give

579
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: room for me to be human, it doesn't give room

580
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: for me to be flawed, it doesn't give for a

581
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: room for me to fail. And humans fall, humans fail.

582
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: And the thing is is that the reason why people

583
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: fall so hard because we lift them up so high.

584
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: To see, if I fall off of a curve, I'm

585
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: not going to die. I hurt my ankle, I'm not

586
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: gonna die. Is because I'm closer to the regular foundation.

587
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: But when we keep lifting other humans up the way

588
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: we do, We're going to always continue to be disappointed.

589
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: And I just think that it yeah, yeah, yeah, but

590
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: you know, I think that Tammy is a superhero. She's

591
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: an incredible woman, super friend, and I think that that's

592
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: been beneficial. As a matter of fact, we have a

593
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: dating show that comes out on TV one May eighteenth,

594
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: and it's not it's called The One. It's not a date.

595
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: It's not a Christian dating show. It's not a you know,

596
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's not choir robes and tambourines. You know,

597
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: it's just real, regular the real things. And it's it's

598
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: it's fun, it's entertaining and and I think, uh, you know,

599
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: and hopefully it can encourage people and make them feel good.

600
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: What's the synopsis? Is like a reality show? Is it

601
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: a like are you bro? People? Okay?

602
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: It's a reality show. It's a reality show, you know,

603
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: same template. You know, we put them in a house,

604
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: you know, you know, we we start them out on

605
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: small dates and then those that survive get in the

606
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: house and and you know, it's guerrilla warfare.

607
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: And then what do you what do you and your wife?

608
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 2: Do you decide who gets to say or you deliver

609
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: the news of who gets to go home, or you

610
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: counsel them?

611
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: What do the contestants get to the book? Because it's

612
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: one female contestants and it's and it's a male so

613
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: it's a bachelor and bacheorette. And so as they go

614
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: through the process that it already does the elimination of itself.

615
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: But basically what they feel, what they're thinking, and uh,

616
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: Me and Tammy are there to facilitate the process, give nuggets,

617
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: give a wisdom and recommendation, suggestions and it's fun.

618
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: Oh I love that. I love that. I'll watch that.

619
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: I love that.

620
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: I love it well, sadly, I do love a reality show.

621
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: I love a I have to confess, Kirk, Please don't

622
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: judge me. I love a good reality show. I like

623
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: to escape, so I would be I will be watching.

624
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: I will ask you this when you so uh with

625
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 2: my my research. But this is always something that I

626
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 2: also discovered during when we were all in the house.

627
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: If you will, your son, he's an amazing artist.

628
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: He is.

629
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: You have several but your one son that I and

630
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 2: I can't think of his name right now, but he

631
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: has a girlfriend who sings as well. What is his name?

632
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 2: Please help me, somebody help me?

633
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: Name is? His name is Kazia.

634
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 2: But he goes by caz okay, caz cast cas okay.

635
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: So he is special, like on them drums, this special

636
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 2: special special and you post again it's stalker Carey coming in,

637
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: but also researcher, reporter you. He had left a comment

638
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: and it was something about like keep working son, or

639
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: like keep grinding because it was or like or I

640
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 2: see the I see the distance from where you started.

641
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 2: I asked this question because I interview a lot of

642
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: athletes and their children oftentimes want to follow in their footsteps,

643
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: and there's just an an unnecessary pressure, you know that

644
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 2: that maybe the children put on themselves.

645
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: Who knows.

646
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 2: I don't know the dynamic when your son and I'm

647
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: sure music is just in the family. But when your

648
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 2: son came to you and said I want to do this,

649
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: you said what.

650
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: Okay? And he never had to say it. He grew

651
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: up in it that I started to see different things

652
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: in him as a young boy, that it was obvious

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Speaker 1: that he had a talent that was undeniable. Like my

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Speaker 1: son as a little boy was a beast on drums,

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Speaker 1: but he was six five six years old, he was

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Speaker 1: a beast on drums like like it was like, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't even the questions like this is scary and spooky. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I started yeah, and then started picking up other instruments

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Speaker 1: and started becoming fluid in those instruments. Bass, guitar, piano, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is freaky.

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Speaker 2: Self talk, self talk, just like listening and then and

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Speaker 2: then just giving it back self talk.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy.

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Speaker 2: I love it. It is Yeah, I love it because

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Speaker 2: he's special. He's special, like really really special. Like when

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Speaker 2: I say he got me through the I'd be like

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Speaker 2: post more you literally, so I was like post more,

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Speaker 2: I need more information. Like that's how good it was.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to hear it. I am very happy for you.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations on your song that is being released tomorrow and

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Speaker 2: May eighteenth. The reality show on TV one, The One

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Speaker 2: If you Guys get a season two. I would like

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Speaker 2: to know where the applications are. I could possibly come

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Speaker 2: on and also be on set show. I'd like that

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Speaker 2: as well. And I want to just say thank you,

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Speaker 2: just personally for me. This was an honor. Just for me,

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Speaker 2: it was an honor. I you have been and I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you hear this all the time, but no, bull,

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Speaker 2: you really have helped me through some hard times. I

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Speaker 2: listened to you. I listened to you. Not every day

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Speaker 2: that would be an exaggeration, but a lot, and especially

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Speaker 2: now that I listen to Maverick City a lot in

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Speaker 2: the morning. When I tell you, it is always a

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Speaker 2: go to I had a girlfriend at my house the

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Speaker 2: other day and she was she was feeling down. I said,

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Speaker 2: let me put in some Kurd. She's like, you know,

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Speaker 2: I needed this. You know what I mean. It really

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Speaker 2: spoke to her heart. You really are set apart and

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate what you do. You are to come

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Speaker 2: to this that what's that exodus? Okay? Wait? Where were

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Speaker 2: you at Chandler? Okay? You know I let me some

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Speaker 2: Chandler and Natalie. Okay, Tasha, this is my gospel Coachella

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Speaker 2: May twenty first. Is that in your hometown?

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Speaker 1: Yep?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I can come.

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Speaker 1: To be tambla man Natalie Grant, Taya, Tasha Cops, Leonard

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Speaker 1: Nail Me, Rain Dokre and Hawthorne, Channeler Moore, Me and Ya,

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Speaker 1: Linda Adams, Cares Shared, JaQuel and car Pastor mc junior,

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Speaker 1: Chris id it's going to be it's gonna.

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Speaker 2: Be, gonna be everything. It's gonna be music. I would

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Speaker 2: love to come. I in fact saw you at the

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Speaker 2: Roots picnic.

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Speaker 1: That go ahead a few minutes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, you're like, wait, well just a few

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Speaker 2: because I get it was enough Kurt Gymore. Okay, So

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for sharing your story and just

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Speaker 2: and taking some time. I appreciate it. I appreciate it,

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Speaker 2: all right. So do we love him?

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Speaker 3: We do?

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Speaker 2: Are we downloading? Are we streaming? We are all things

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Speaker 2: available where you get your music right now, go over

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Speaker 2: to Apple, go over to Spotify, whatever you have, go

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Speaker 2: ahead and hit that subscribe that download button. Help a

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Speaker 2: man out. He deserves it. Meanwhile, also check out his

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Speaker 2: show that comes out on TV one May eighteenth, The one.

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Speaker 2: It's a dating show that he and his wife are doing.

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Speaker 2: That's exciting. And then May twenty first, never not working,

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Speaker 2: it's the gospel Coachella in his hometown in Texas. You

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Speaker 2: can look it up on Kirk Franklin dot com. You

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Speaker 2: also can actually look at my intro here on the

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Speaker 2: subscription and we'll have that information available.

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate y'all again. I'm excited episode two and we

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Speaker 2: got Kurt Franklin what I'm gonna do next week. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for listening to Naked. We'll be back

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Speaker 2: next week