Speaker 1: Watch up and welcome back to another episode and no
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Speaker 1: me is this bronze sexuality is getting It's like at
Speaker 1: unbelievable heights, bro and I cannot, for one deal with it.
Speaker 1: I have no problem with lebron James as a human being.
Speaker 1: Like I don't make jokes about because hairline. I don't
Speaker 1: make jokes about how corny at times he could be.
Speaker 1: I don't get into his social stands and none of that.
Speaker 1: I only talk about his play on the court. And
Speaker 1: the first thing the motherfucker want to say is I
Speaker 1: hate him or you just don't like him? Like, how
Speaker 1: is it? What did he do with his media marketing
Speaker 1: machine that convinced people that if you say something that
Speaker 1: doesn't seem complementary about another human being, it goes into
Speaker 1: a space of dislike like how I got one? To
Speaker 1: go ahead, Pete? He uses the same marketing people as
Speaker 1: a trans movement. No, I was not expecting that's good.
Speaker 1: I was not expecting that direction. It's the same group
Speaker 1: from Century Park East that handles all their marketing, advertisement, commercial, etcetera.
Speaker 1: He just hired the same group, the same thing, same team.
Speaker 1: This is like, this is like, this is actually this
Speaker 1: this is facts. I would facts. Yeah, it makes the
Speaker 1: most They're all the same. I just think that once
Speaker 1: you associate yourself and and and I'm just about to
Speaker 1: sound mad political, but I just think that Lebron did.
Speaker 1: The politics of Lebron are the reason why like people
Speaker 1: feel the way they feel about him, like he's he's
Speaker 1: he's actually like a political figure, the same reason why
Speaker 1: people get mad at Kareem every time Kareem say something.
Speaker 1: Glasses you you had a whole thing about Kareem saying something,
Speaker 1: so like, I think it's just he's just in the
Speaker 1: same you know, in the same sphere, especially with him
Speaker 1: being you know, liberal, like you get guys like Kobe Covington,
Speaker 1: who's in the m m A. He's like a big
Speaker 1: m m A star, right and like his his his
Speaker 1: politics are big because he supports MAGA. But like that
Speaker 1: doesn't usually surround the conversation around him because he out
Speaker 1: there like winning all the time. Lebron don't win all
Speaker 1: the time, so we have to focus on the marketing
Speaker 1: aspects of Lebron because he don't win no more like,
Speaker 1: and even when he did win, everybody's still disrespect and
Speaker 1: called the fluke. I don't even think it's about organization nothing.
Speaker 1: I think liberals in general love to do that, like
Speaker 1: they love to build people up, and if you say
Speaker 1: anything bad about him, then you're wrong. Like I just
Speaker 1: genuinely think it's just like a product of him associated
Speaker 1: himself with all these liberals over the past couple of years.
Speaker 1: And I'm not even a conservative. I'm just saying I
Speaker 1: genuinely to feel that way. I don't even think it's
Speaker 1: that deep. I think he just raised people like he's
Speaker 1: so much. He's he's he was he was the first
Speaker 1: new I guess sports superstar as far as like you
Speaker 1: saw his raps from high school and like he's actually
Speaker 1: at this point literally like he's been famous for twenty years,
Speaker 1: so you have human but he's I was twelve and
Speaker 1: Bron got drafted. When I first knew about Lebron, I
Speaker 1: was like probably the first time I saw Lebron and
Speaker 1: new Lebron was I was ten, I'm thirty now, Like
Speaker 1: he's literally just raised people needs such a part of
Speaker 1: people's labs. I don't think it's but Magic Johnson raised
Speaker 1: me and I'm not that fucking lane. But the media
Speaker 1: but but, but but there wasn't the same level of
Speaker 1: media circus that there is now, like Magic Johnson, now,
Speaker 1: are you tripping? Magic Johnson was one of the biggest
Speaker 1: athletes ever, especially after he after he announced that he
Speaker 1: had HIV, that he was HIV positive, people waiting on
Speaker 1: him to pass, Like we're not gonna act like people
Speaker 1: didn't care about Magic Johnson. Bro, that's not, that's that's not,
Speaker 1: that's not that's that's that's that's not. That's it said it. Also,
Speaker 1: Magic was at the dawn of the twenty four hour
Speaker 1: music cycle. There wasn't no, it wasn't social media was
Speaker 1: the first twenty four hour sports media entitc worldwide. Yes,
Speaker 1: but it's different like seventies, like I think it was
Speaker 1: like seven. I mean yeah, but when Magic Johnson and
Speaker 1: got like when he came and when he had positive
Speaker 1: he was HIV positive, like the President spoke about him
Speaker 1: being HIV positive, like Magic was a star. Magic, But
Speaker 1: Magic doesn't engage politically the same way that Lebron do.
Speaker 1: I don't even think it's about you. I'm sorry Lebron
Speaker 1: being around since she was a kid. We don't look
Speaker 1: at Mellow like that. We don't look at d way
Speaker 1: like that people do. People will die with Karmeno Anthony.
Speaker 1: I don't know human being who I know? I know Anthony.
Speaker 1: I know some people from New York who swear by
Speaker 1: Mellow swear By. They swear by all New York basketball players,
Speaker 1: including Stefan Marbury. He's a girl, don't swear by. I
Speaker 1: don't believe that. Bro. Listen like if I'm having a
Speaker 1: conversation right and they'll be like, why don't you like Lebron?
Speaker 1: And it's like, I don't have a le problem. Well,
Speaker 1: he's such a good you know, he's such a good husband.
Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't cheat on his wife, Like you
Speaker 1: don't know that. It's Secondly, like I don't care. I
Speaker 1: never grew up in an era where I idolized me
Speaker 1: because they were faithful. All my favorite motherfucking players had
Speaker 1: a lot of bitches. So again, like you're looking up
Speaker 1: at somebody doing the status, I'm not mad at you
Speaker 1: for that. Like I don't dislike Lebron because of his
Speaker 1: narratal situation. I don't I know what it is, glasses,
Speaker 1: I know what it is. I remember when this was
Speaker 1: going on, when he was going to be drafted and
Speaker 1: Carmelo was pre draft. You know, Lebron is the predominant
Speaker 1: number one choice and people and then you have the
Speaker 1: more basketball purist and the alternative thinkers and the I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm gonna hedge common perspective and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be the guy who's right. I'm gonna be the Carmelo
Speaker 1: guy because he's a better shooter, because I want to
Speaker 1: be alternative to the norm. So I think people have
Speaker 1: always polarized and because he is a different type of
Speaker 1: basketball player. He's the best basketball player in the history
Speaker 1: of the sport with no skills like he. Nobody has
Speaker 1: ever been this good by brute force, you know. So
Speaker 1: people who yeah, but he's a post guy. A lot
Speaker 1: of posts guys like like it. It's hard to I
Speaker 1: mean they do, but like he for a perimeter guy,
Speaker 1: no one has been this good without being a pure
Speaker 1: basketball player really before. So if you're a generation intergenerational
Speaker 1: basketball fan, you look at Lebron and you can see
Speaker 1: all these holes in his game because they were there,
Speaker 1: but he still fucking dominates the basketball game. I'm not
Speaker 1: mad at I just think that he's not. I'm not mad,
Speaker 1: but I don't still that's all. He's polarized people. Why
Speaker 1: why would he be polarizing? He's like as a human being, bro,
Speaker 1: there's no excitement to Lebron the president of bum. I mean,
Speaker 1: not even that he called himself when he was sixteen
Speaker 1: years old. But polarized. Okay, Dennis Robman is a polarizing player.
Speaker 1: Charles Barklay was a polarizing player before you're telling me Lebron.
Speaker 1: Lebron James is like mayonnaise. He's bland, he has zero
Speaker 1: I think he does things that that he's the vanilla
Speaker 1: version of Magic Johnson. He's he's very dramatic. He's a
Speaker 1: very dramatic, Like he don't have a flair for anything
Speaker 1: off the court. Off the court, he's he is at
Speaker 1: cares what tattoo and nigga has I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: just Michael Jordan had that tattoo. That's say. That's my point, Like,
Speaker 1: what space are we in into with these things? Now?
Speaker 1: Are like, oh, he's edgy. He's polarized. Lebron James is polarizing. Okay,
Speaker 1: like it or not, he actually is polarizing. I don't
Speaker 1: know if the human being he's not. You just don't
Speaker 1: know all his dirt. That don't mean he not polarizing.
Speaker 1: What do you? What do you what's the polarity about Lebron?
Speaker 1: Were you like, well, it's two ends on the spectrum
Speaker 1: about Lebron James life. What you mean? At one end
Speaker 1: he'll speak about like how like like you know, he's
Speaker 1: offer this empowerment, empowerment, empowerment, empowerment. But when it came
Speaker 1: down to all that Black Lives Matter ship last I
Speaker 1: mean last year, he was the main one being like,
Speaker 1: now we're gonna go play and make this money. We're
Speaker 1: not gonna mess up this, this collective bargain in agreement.
Speaker 1: So yes, he is polarizing because he's gonna be the
Speaker 1: same one that's gonna be out there no stop, South stop.
Speaker 1: Because last year, during all this Black Lives Matter stuff,
Speaker 1: when I was actually out there protesting getting shot about
Speaker 1: rubber bullets by the police, these NBA players was in
Speaker 1: a bubble in up here argon in debating if they
Speaker 1: want to play. All of these motherfucker's spent all of
Speaker 1: this time waxing poetically about raising all his other ship,
Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, they all chose
Speaker 1: that motherfucking check. And I'm fine with it if you
Speaker 1: want to choose the check. But don't sit up here
Speaker 1: and fucking try to sell me on social justice as
Speaker 1: if like you something fucking crusader, when you're not a crusader,
Speaker 1: You just an entertainer. And I've been entertaining for a
Speaker 1: long time. You don't think you're giving them too much
Speaker 1: credit for a fucking tweak, Like they're like what Lebron
Speaker 1: talks who on the mic and says it you know
Speaker 1: what you mean? He gives an answer at minimally talked
Speaker 1: so little, like he could just talk about him, as
Speaker 1: if he's a harsh shader, like like uh, like cap
Speaker 1: or like Bill Russell, like he don't talk every time
Speaker 1: he finds the high and this is what KEI think
Speaker 1: that was the whole time. Just listen, Lebron James finds
Speaker 1: the high points of all the conversations and then he
Speaker 1: takes the safest road travel on each point, like but
Speaker 1: is it that easy to fool your generation? Calling the
Speaker 1: president of bumb is safe. Donald Trump, everybody Donald Trump
Speaker 1: out his name. He didn't for something he didn't like, No,
Speaker 1: he didn't, because that would be a solo stands. He
Speaker 1: would stand on his own. Every last thing he does
Speaker 1: is so easy, like he's just highlights and like and
Speaker 1: you're like that's polarizing, Like that's not polarizing. Wait wait
Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait wait everybody as a fan of James,
Speaker 1: but no, no, listen. Oh the reason why I see
Speaker 1: Google polarizing all the polarized persons to do it's been
Speaker 1: a pains is make people love you, I hate you.
Speaker 1: You have people who love Lebron James and hate Lebron James.
Speaker 1: That makes But I'm trying to feel some type of
Speaker 1: way about Lebron for whatever reason. What I'm trying to
Speaker 1: figure out is where is the polarity coming from? Like
Speaker 1: he's pretty straight up and down as a human being,
Speaker 1: But it was like nothing about Lebron James, Like I
Speaker 1: get it when Snoop first came out. Why people were
Speaker 1: polarized by Snoop. This nigga is a crip. He he
Speaker 1: is living this cultured, super urban lifestyle, that super niche
Speaker 1: to this small place, and he's proud of it. I
Speaker 1: could get why Dennis rob and he's wearing a dress
Speaker 1: marrying himself. Like, right, all the people historically that have
Speaker 1: been polarizing, it makes sense. Why is this motherfucker literally
Speaker 1: conversation about marketing? Last time we podcast glasses Literally. There
Speaker 1: is a video of a pregame that Lebron played in
Speaker 1: high school where the man was seventeen years old. They
Speaker 1: were comparing him to the right A minds out of
Speaker 1: the Wood Chamberlain Michael Jordan's Magic John says he's the
Speaker 1: next one. The man is seventeen years old. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have an opinion about that if you're in that moment.
Speaker 1: I don't. Again, that doesn't create polarity. It kind of
Speaker 1: does them because it makes it doesn't because it's a
Speaker 1: comp right, it's a comparable, Like Lebron is straight up
Speaker 1: and down, Like it's like Jay Cole is straight up
Speaker 1: and down. People hate Jakole and people love can say
Speaker 1: Jacole is not polarizing, He's deep. Yeah, he is. People
Speaker 1: of the first. He was one of the first artists
Speaker 1: of the New generation to openly dis Karya West. That's
Speaker 1: definitely polarizing. Was people savior. He was the first one
Speaker 1: to be like yo yo ask Tweeter. Yeah, it's not polarizing, Ye,
Speaker 1: polarizing is probably is one of the greatest marketing human
Speaker 1: probably the most polarizing human beings. And they're both master marketers.
Speaker 1: But but you're missing the point because people like you
Speaker 1: said Kanye West is not polarizing, but Ja Cole Jacole
Speaker 1: is like watching paint dry. See I don't see. I
Speaker 1: disagree with that. I disagree with I know you do,
Speaker 1: because I'm telling you your generation doesn't exact. That's a
Speaker 1: that's a key word, my generation. You're not in the
Speaker 1: generation get to so you so, so you don't have generations.
Speaker 1: The other pole is another exactly, and you don't have
Speaker 1: your and you might Jacole fans so you know, might
Speaker 1: not have your thumb on the post. But when he
Speaker 1: finished today, that's not my point. I don't care about
Speaker 1: his rap skills. You talk about polarizing him as a
Speaker 1: human being is polarized. He literally made a song of uh.
Speaker 1: He's basically like having a verbal sparring match with this
Speaker 1: black woman who, like black Twitter loves for all of
Speaker 1: her thoughts about how like progressive blacks can do all
Speaker 1: the and stuff and basically being like yo, like you
Speaker 1: calling me out and you're not educating me at all.
Speaker 1: That that's polarizing with it itself. Murder, that's that's niggas
Speaker 1: murdering niggas every day. And what are you talking about
Speaker 1: the most successible in the country, who you said was
Speaker 1: even polarizing to the jury, just we need some hits.
Speaker 1: Nuke went to jail. He sold a million records, eight
Speaker 1: hundred and some thousand in the first week and eight
Speaker 1: hundred and some thousands of second week, and went to
Speaker 1: jail for murder right after that. Like, that's polarizing, right,
Speaker 1: And if you look at if you look at the
Speaker 1: context of who he was and who he is and
Speaker 1: where are you from and where you've lived your whole life,
Speaker 1: it's not that far out of the realm of of
Speaker 1: what could happen under the normal context. It never happened that, yeah,
Speaker 1: that that yeah, yeah, no, yeah no. What I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Ja Cole creates Jole. J Cole is super polarizing because
Speaker 1: he argued with a liberal woman about black rights. Yes,
Speaker 1: because he spends and and I've said this before, he
Speaker 1: spends a lot of his time the same way a
Speaker 1: Lebron James does speaking all of this black power, black movement,
Speaker 1: I'm with y'all, I'm doing all this other kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And then when he gets criticized or he doesn't like
Speaker 1: people's opinions about him, there are moments where you can
Speaker 1: kind of not He might not necessarily lash out, but
Speaker 1: it's like, why did you do that? That was uncalled for.
Speaker 1: You could have just left it alone. If you really
Speaker 1: felt that way about it, you could have just messaged her. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: you're the third biggest rapper this and a girl whose
Speaker 1: literal name is no name. Yes it was. It's like,
Speaker 1: why did you make it? That made it? Why did
Speaker 1: you put it out? So let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1: Driving that is right today? Yes it is you in
Speaker 1: the middle of a heated political climate with George Floyd
Speaker 1: just got murdered in front of people and they recorded
Speaker 1: it for eight minutes and forty seven seconds, and she
Speaker 1: over here advocated for one thing, and you always talking
Speaker 1: about black power and all this other stuff. And then
Speaker 1: when it gets down to it, you just a black
Speaker 1: female because you say that the way that she talks
Speaker 1: to you isn't the way you want to be talked
Speaker 1: to what they tell a teacher how to teach you,
Speaker 1: and you just want to be talked. So Tupot goes
Speaker 1: to jailf rape and is in prison. Okay, you're talking
Speaker 1: about crimes and you're talking about polarity. Them two different things,
Speaker 1: and I'm talking I'm talking about I'm talking about things
Speaker 1: that make of most crimes in America. Let me go
Speaker 1: to be a conversation. Let me let me, let me,
Speaker 1: let me, let me find it completely different things. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you. That's the point I'm making where you're in
Speaker 1: a space where this ship is lane be dying, Like,
Speaker 1: come on, gee, can I submit the idea that maybe
Speaker 1: we're conflating the terms polarizing and controversial, which aren't really
Speaker 1: the same. I'm saying people love and hate like opposite
Speaker 1: in positiveness. It's a charge about the like they're calling
Speaker 1: Jacole polarizing. It's like calling Tim Duncan polarizing. No, Tim
Speaker 1: has not done ship that was really actually really didn't
Speaker 1: like him growing up, just putting it up. You can
Speaker 1: really love or hate Tim Duncan. It's impossible for you
Speaker 1: to really love or really hate Tim Duncan. But because
Speaker 1: really love or really hate you like Jole, Like even
Speaker 1: when Jacole did this ship, when he was like talking
Speaker 1: about Little Pump at all, like you're like, oh, young kids,
Speaker 1: like Jacole does things when you can get dislike Jacole.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, Jacob were talking about Little Dump, not everybody,
Speaker 1: and everybody in rap was a fucking hypocrite. And I
Speaker 1: was saying that at that point in time because Nick
Speaker 1: has been rapping about doing lean, popping Molley's and fucking
Speaker 1: bitches forever, and then all of a sudden, he come on,
Speaker 1: You ain't gonna Little Pump stop. He come on the scene,
Speaker 1: and everybody wants to be like, yo, what is he
Speaker 1: doing here? Disgrace? People have been doing this ship for years, bro.
Speaker 1: I remember listening to Blue Dream and Land when I
Speaker 1: was twenty somethings. The point you're missing the point of
Speaker 1: what I'm saying and what I've been saying about. Even
Speaker 1: those two particular people, they get the easiest highlighting targets, right,
Speaker 1: like ship that ship. Even who the funk cares if
Speaker 1: you bully Little Pump. I feel I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: this is a weird era, right, This complete era has
Speaker 1: been a weird error, bro. That's how I know it's
Speaker 1: been a weird era. It's the manufacturer of consent era.
Speaker 1: It is because like you look at look at these guys,
Speaker 1: You're you're talking about polarity within a very narrow spectrum
Speaker 1: of the polar spectrum. It's like, you know, a hundred
Speaker 1: degrees east, hundred degrees west, and zero. The polarity exists
Speaker 1: because of an attempt to try to manufacture a dialogue
Speaker 1: between five and ninety on one side. You know, it's so,
Speaker 1: I got a question, then, who's so, who's the most
Speaker 1: polarizing person or who are some of the most polarizing
Speaker 1: people right now that are currently in the American lexicon
Speaker 1: that you are and well and will say Kanye obviously,
Speaker 1: But I think, but I think that's more about marketing
Speaker 1: than anything. It's not. It's just when he wants to
Speaker 1: exactly everything is marketing. That don't mean the marketing is
Speaker 1: just storytelling. It don't make it not true or re effects.
Speaker 1: It's not like marketing is some kind of lie. Marketing
Speaker 1: can be a lie. Like you could be rose right
Speaker 1: and you're like, I know noriego or this that in
Speaker 1: the third and you could say some stuff that's made
Speaker 1: up and use that as a marketing employe, and then
Speaker 1: you could just actually talk about what's going on you
Speaker 1: in your real life with your wife, and that's polarizing.
Speaker 1: He's just talking about what's really happening, Like, this is
Speaker 1: what's really going on in his life. It's not like
Speaker 1: he's making it up. And they're like him and Kim
Speaker 1: is together and their line that's not what it's not.
Speaker 1: You know, forgive me for saying, is this ain't the
Speaker 1: Yellow album with Jay and Beyonce where they you know,
Speaker 1: pretty much manufacturer ship. This is like the real deal,
Speaker 1: Kim k real, Like this is like Pete is really
Speaker 1: fucking this nike A wife, bro, Like this is not
Speaker 1: a joke. Yeah, little little white Pete shout out to
Speaker 1: people like Pete is really fucking his wife. I feel
Speaker 1: like the other people go, even though I've heard him
Speaker 1: say he wouldn't go, he definitely go. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: I'm saying Kanye is not like this is really like
Speaker 1: his real life has always been like like like even
Speaker 1: Kanye right, this is weird, right, and and it's this error, bro,
Speaker 1: Like I remember listening to college dropout right college dropout.
Speaker 1: The depth of his struggle was his boss accusing him
Speaker 1: of stealing pants from his job in space. He did
Speaker 1: make spacehps Like yo, he said the vintage he wanted
Speaker 1: to escape because his boss racially profiled him and accused
Speaker 1: him of selling slacks. That's not polarizing at all. It's
Speaker 1: not polarizing. That's not polarizing. And yo, everybody know it's
Speaker 1: not everybody somebody it is. Though, if Lebron James came
Speaker 1: out and said that the entire society was diametrically opposed
Speaker 1: to him whatever because he was profiled for stealing slacks,
Speaker 1: would be the news story of the way, exactly. Facts
Speaker 1: like that's the depth of this row, which since two
Speaker 1: thousand and three and four, like we have went into
Speaker 1: the lamest era ever. I don't even know how I existed,
Speaker 1: is um, I don't even know why you're mad it's
Speaker 1: so safe, Like you upset that it's safe outside. Be like,
Speaker 1: why it is not safe outside? You're from Chicago and
Speaker 1: you just said that exactly, So what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: So therefore problems still really succumbed to these people's marketing. No,
Speaker 1: because I'm not having a conversation about Lebron right now,
Speaker 1: means that he's polar No, this is a conversation about
Speaker 1: how lame this error is and what episode what's his
Speaker 1: name of this episode? Conversations about the le Bron sexual
Speaker 1: area exactly, it's about Lebron. So no, no, it's not
Speaker 1: about Lebron. Listen, Lebron sexuals is not about Lebron, like Lebron,
Speaker 1: I could never formulate an opinion on Lebron James, Like
Speaker 1: I'm neither hot or cold on Lebron James. Why would
Speaker 1: I be hot and cold on Lebron James? Like, why
Speaker 1: would I be mad? Why would I be happy? Lebron
Speaker 1: James is really one of the first best all players
Speaker 1: who I just watch on the court and can have
Speaker 1: an honest opinion. And Niggas is furious, Like every other
Speaker 1: basketball player that I've watched at the highest level had
Speaker 1: some kind of flavor, like Iverson had flavor, so there
Speaker 1: was a reason to be mad at him. The way
Speaker 1: he works, Harry carried himself. Lebron James is like as
Speaker 1: a person, he's just literally the highlights of whatever is
Speaker 1: safe to say, you know, whatever is cool to say,
Speaker 1: and that's it, Like it's it's this this narrow spectrum,
Speaker 1: like the like Peter's right, like polarity should be here
Speaker 1: right when I was a kid, because polarity was here,
Speaker 1: Pollarity now is here, like y'all just like, oh he's
Speaker 1: j Cole is edgy. You see how you got at
Speaker 1: that blogger? Like what the fuck? Like you're telling me
Speaker 1: with the black blogger about respect? Yeah, at a time
Speaker 1: when at a time, when you out here marching and
Speaker 1: doing all of this black and power and stuff, it
Speaker 1: looks very contradicted. They largely agree, though largely what did
Speaker 1: the song actually say? Like, what did he say wrong
Speaker 1: about her in his own Why did he make the song?
Speaker 1: I can't have a conversation with this lady. I'm a rapper. No, No,
Speaker 1: you could have a conversation with her. I can have
Speaker 1: a music you can have you can you can have
Speaker 1: her musical conversation rappers, they both rappers? What the fun?
Speaker 1: It ain't called the song to give her the opportunity
Speaker 1: to respond. Don't just put out a song about HER's
Speaker 1: not you, and she ain't not gonna have the same
Speaker 1: leverage when she wills her response back to you in
Speaker 1: the same manner that you would because you were a
Speaker 1: top three rapper that exists, Like nah, to build her
Speaker 1: career up. He was picking on her when he could
Speaker 1: have easily hold on No sailings Glasses Malone, my man,
Speaker 1: Peter boss I got my brothers from the who some
Speaker 1: Brew podcast. One of the biggest reasons I decided to
Speaker 1: be a podcaster t p J. Having Filly was heading.
Speaker 1: But so this is my problem, right, So this just
Speaker 1: to pick back right back up. You're saying that's polarizing
Speaker 1: because j Cole argue with the blogger who's a Twitter
Speaker 1: blogger about his position and in respect, Dr dre slacked
Speaker 1: the Barnes in the face. But did we see it
Speaker 1: on Carera We all knew it and seen it, like
Speaker 1: like we're way past that, Like that's where you are
Speaker 1: and this is my points. Unfortunately, that wasn't that polarizing
Speaker 1: and whatever. He did it and that was it. That
Speaker 1: was the biggest news. Let me make a point, Let
Speaker 1: me let me make a point, right, But like, but
Speaker 1: he didn't drop ahead. So you say it's safer, right,
Speaker 1: because that's kind of the narrative, like it's better, it's not.
Speaker 1: There's still a shipload of culture happening right right now.
Speaker 1: There's still a struggle happening. There's still unearthed things that
Speaker 1: have not happened right that, that that's happening right now,
Speaker 1: that is not receiving coverage because you're talking about j
Speaker 1: Cole arguing with the blogger, or you're talking about Lebron
Speaker 1: James saying the exact same narrative that every last person
Speaker 1: in media says, like what happened of flavor? Like how
Speaker 1: is huh? Or was he not vanilla at the time?
Speaker 1: Though you can look vanilla, Lebron is Michael Jordan's Michael.
Speaker 1: But Michael Jordan is not a polarizing athlete exactly Lebron
Speaker 1: James is. That's my whole point. You're missing the point,
Speaker 1: like Michael Jordan had way more flavor than Lebron James,
Speaker 1: and we didn't give two funks about Michael Jordan's like
Speaker 1: we just wore Jordan's shoes even though we Lakers like
Speaker 1: the point though he wasn't. I think the point with
Speaker 1: very very safe. He was extremely safe. But I think
Speaker 1: it's always Ron James matter a matter of no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no. Michael Jordan ain't safe. Michael Jordan is
Speaker 1: actually a sellout. To think about Michael, to think about
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan is well this is a little bit different.
Speaker 1: But the thing why Jordan for me is this, right,
Speaker 1: Jordan was blessed to be in the area with it
Speaker 1: wasn't social media. If Jordan was doing the ship that
Speaker 1: he was doing now, he would be extremely He might
Speaker 1: get talked about like James Harden in a lot of
Speaker 1: situations if you go gamble, when you down oh two,
Speaker 1: if you the situation with his dad, polarizing human being
Speaker 1: on the court, He's a polarizing player because the way
Speaker 1: he gets his offense off right, So I get that,
Speaker 1: like the thing he is. How could y'all be so
Speaker 1: screwed by Mark King? This is my problem? Like, and
Speaker 1: this is what I'm saying, Like we're in this weird
Speaker 1: sick ass era where like literally spectrum is here here
Speaker 1: and y'all have narrowed it to here with all this
Speaker 1: ship going on, all this flavor in the world, the
Speaker 1: depth of j Cole of polarizing rappers arguing with a
Speaker 1: Twitter blogger like what the fuck are we talking? Like
Speaker 1: like I could never like Lebron James as a human being.
Speaker 1: I Am even him going to play overseas was was
Speaker 1: actually polarizing. Why is that polarizing? Because he took away. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was because he took away opportunities from guys that
Speaker 1: actually deserved it when he was very hear that, though,
Speaker 1: care you tell that to a young guy who Mr
Speaker 1: Pete played in the league and did nobody care? They
Speaker 1: head that. That's in a different area we're talking about nowadays.
Speaker 1: It's not to make a squad fighting to make a
Speaker 1: EuroLeague team. Jacole want A, you are missing the point
Speaker 1: about no money. You guys here you average two points
Speaker 1: and I'm out here busting my ass for my whole
Speaker 1: life to play ball and your malea. You know what,
Speaker 1: I just realized what it is. It's manufactured madness. It's
Speaker 1: not real. It's manufactured. Somebody told you you should be
Speaker 1: mad that he's over here playing two basketball games and
Speaker 1: you should be upset because he's taking the job from
Speaker 1: somebody else. Like that's manufactured man, manufactured, though, bro, You
Speaker 1: nobody thought of at themselves, Nobody the general public. I
Speaker 1: thought it was he good enough over there to be
Speaker 1: taking jobs from real Hooper them two games he played.
Speaker 1: You know, nobody in the barbershop said that until literally
Speaker 1: somebody on j Cole's team, And you know what, we
Speaker 1: need to spend this. We need to make it look
Speaker 1: like athletes are mad that he's hooping. That's the problem
Speaker 1: for me. You know what actually the problem for me?
Speaker 1: And you know who's the blame for this whole bronze
Speaker 1: sexual error, Bro, Kanye, Ever since my nigga, youa stepped
Speaker 1: on the scene, Bro, like and this is that for
Speaker 1: as square as j is, Bro, I love you with
Speaker 1: all my soul. He's in my top five and he's
Speaker 1: in the real top five. Right. But when I tell
Speaker 1: you the game like it was dope having Kanye West
Speaker 1: at first, I mean because I think like it was
Speaker 1: like fifty cent that just came out. You mean you
Speaker 1: have such a other end of this, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like a Matthew Dr Dre fifty cent. You
Speaker 1: mean like this ship had been on, like hinging on
Speaker 1: the darkest part of urban culture for a long time
Speaker 1: with that ship, right, we had the ship right, and
Speaker 1: then you kind of get this Eddie Winslow perspective that
Speaker 1: lady got for saying that, could you avoid saying that, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you got a real Eddie Winslow perspective of hip hop
Speaker 1: from like Kanye West right where it's like it's musically
Speaker 1: sonically like excellent. It's it's structured the way records should be.
Speaker 1: Like everything about it is structured, right, it's it's like brilliant,
Speaker 1: it's sonically great. And then like it worked because at
Speaker 1: that time, I mean really fifty cent that came out
Speaker 1: the year before, So this was like crazy, Like this
Speaker 1: nigger got shot nine times, he got shot in the face.
Speaker 1: For me, like he's beaten with the biggest rapper in
Speaker 1: New York at the time. Like it literally was a
Speaker 1: thousand things happened. That was like, you know, that was gangs,
Speaker 1: that was that was hip hop before that for a
Speaker 1: lot of time, you know, at the highest levels. So
Speaker 1: to have a guy come out, you know, that represented
Speaker 1: another look at urban life. Right, that was a little
Speaker 1: bit more straight up and down. You know, it was cool.
Speaker 1: But the thing is it worked because Ya has a
Speaker 1: lot of flavor, Like yea is super flavor. Like for me,
Speaker 1: everything like about it, whether you like the flavor or not,
Speaker 1: it's flavor. Like that. Nigga is a cultured person. You mean,
Speaker 1: everything about his experience is culture. But the problem is
Speaker 1: the offsprings. That's the problem. Like you gotta you gotta remember,
Speaker 1: like Kanye is the copy of a copy right. So
Speaker 1: it's cool because I can still read it now. It's
Speaker 1: been twenty years that ship been copy copy, copy, copy, copy,
Speaker 1: copy copy. Now, look at what the funk we're talking about?
Speaker 1: J Cole, who this do his original copy right? The
Speaker 1: depth of his polarity comes with him arguing with the
Speaker 1: Twitter blogger. Now. I also said he was one of
Speaker 1: the first rappers to openly just be like, Yo, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're sick of this ship. Get the funk out of
Speaker 1: here with that ship, like like you want to see ship?
Speaker 1: All of this bullshit that he was doing when he
Speaker 1: was going at Drake for all of this time, all
Speaker 1: of the younger generations like, what's your point? Huh? He
Speaker 1: is Kanye, But that don't mean but that don't mean
Speaker 1: everybody like it. Without Kanye, Drake wouldn't have a career.
Speaker 1: That don't mean you have to like the evolution. It's
Speaker 1: his son. How don't you like your father? A lot
Speaker 1: of them don't A lot of them. That's a weird spot,
Speaker 1: Like Colon is a dope dude. But let's be honest, man, Like,
Speaker 1: come on, bro, Like that's not He's not Kanye. He's
Speaker 1: not coaching Kane he's not Kanye. I'm glad he's not Kanye.
Speaker 1: He's not trying to be Kanye Yah missing the point.
Speaker 1: He is Kanye. Yeah, he's just not as good. He's
Speaker 1: diet Coke, and Kanye is Coke and Drake is The
Speaker 1: references are crazy, Drake Pepsi, Drake Pepsi. Genuinely just think
Speaker 1: it's just a difference in the generation. And I'm telling
Speaker 1: you from a generation where everything was hard, hard, hard hard.
Speaker 1: It's not just that it's not just hard. It's not
Speaker 1: it's hard because but the funny party is like the
Speaker 1: marketing aspect of music and culture is, they don't like
Speaker 1: to focus on the hard things anymore. It's not that
Speaker 1: you guys are not controlling it, because you're being told
Speaker 1: by college kids who came through and created blogs. All
Speaker 1: your influences are squares. They are telling you what to consume.
Speaker 1: That's what's wrong. It's not because life don't have culture anymore.
Speaker 1: It's because who's telling you to listen. It is only
Speaker 1: listening to this ship because you still gonna play Drake
Speaker 1: record when the drop. The most people still gonna play
Speaker 1: the new Drake they drop if the algorithm tell me
Speaker 1: or not if Drake dropping and I hear he dropping,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna listen to it because the same way Wayne,
Speaker 1: same way with you, way with fantastic, the algorithm. Let
Speaker 1: me finish, Drake is fantastic. Don't get this ship fucked up.
Speaker 1: Lebron James is a fantastic hooper. Don't getting sucked up.
Speaker 1: Ja Cole is a fantastic rapper. None of these niggas
Speaker 1: are not talented. But the way you niggas fine over them,
Speaker 1: it's a problem because you've got too much access to
Speaker 1: their lives. Bro, It's like you didn't have to say
Speaker 1: as to whatever the funk they're doing, you can there's
Speaker 1: no more mystique anymore, exactly what you can easily feel
Speaker 1: a way about what they're doing because you can see
Speaker 1: every fucking thing they're doing. Even this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: See it all on the internet. So but listen to
Speaker 1: what I'm saying until it happened to you, what the
Speaker 1: funk are they doing in real life that make you
Speaker 1: give a fun First of all, I don't follow out anybody,
Speaker 1: not but but people, but people, people just like the ship, Bro,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like he tell you, listen watching TV
Speaker 1: before we have phones. I'm not disagreeing manufactur your madness,
Speaker 1: Like what about Lebron's James life would make me be like, man,
Speaker 1: that life is the ship? Gee? You know what the RNs. Man,
Speaker 1: It's like if you don't see a woman getting dressed
Speaker 1: and you and you see her all done up, you
Speaker 1: know you didn't see the whole process. You are there
Speaker 1: the whole time. You just see the end of products
Speaker 1: and you're kind of like wild by it. Now with Twitter,
Speaker 1: it's like you're seeing her shaver ship. You see in
Speaker 1: her without the hair hones, seeing all that crap, and
Speaker 1: they like her more. That means it's something wrong with you.
Speaker 1: The wrong person in Patty because he don't care. I say, Gus,
Speaker 1: when when when you see how the cake is baked
Speaker 1: or whatever the hell? Then yeah? But but I'm saying,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying, even the trick itself can't geary Like,
Speaker 1: if you see a magic trick, it kind of takes
Speaker 1: away from the magic for most people, right, But nothing
Speaker 1: about these niggers is magical. I know, But I disagree
Speaker 1: with that. Like g braun Bro, you knowing him man
Speaker 1: since he was sixty years old. Literally, I just I
Speaker 1: told you they wait, wait, I told you. They put
Speaker 1: a montage up saying he's World Chamber and Michael Jordana
Speaker 1: or whatever. And if you don't think he's there, straight, straight,
Speaker 1: completely up to that, he's somewhere in the echelon of
Speaker 1: greatest basketball players ever. They told you from the day
Speaker 1: he was sixteen he was gonna be that. He's never
Speaker 1: been to jail, never than no real scandals. He's he's, he's, he's,
Speaker 1: he's went to He did the fucking um. Probably the
Speaker 1: most polar run thing he did was the uh decision, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: but the way he did it probably most polar round
Speaker 1: he did. He did that he said the King is
Speaker 1: coming home in the win. He one came back down
Speaker 1: three one like he has a storybook career almost he
Speaker 1: came to the lake is a small It wasn't literally,
Speaker 1: it was on Granted I'm not saying, wasn't it. You're
Speaker 1: missing the point of the story. No, No, you used
Speaker 1: a specific term, a storybook career, storybook career. It's not
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's storybook career. So was Lebron James. Why they
Speaker 1: told you he was gonna be When th winded traveling
Speaker 1: to Force Cities, to play basketball becomes the story. We
Speaker 1: all want to live as hoopers these days. Clearly it
Speaker 1: is because these nig That's what I'm telling you. You're
Speaker 1: being manufactured. This is manufactured madness. That's never been the story.
Speaker 1: But listen, even Jordan's ship manufactured. Make a thing and
Speaker 1: say I'm back, Go do space jam come back within
Speaker 1: a ring, like say I'm back to the media. He
Speaker 1: said I'm back to the team. He intended to be back. No, no,
Speaker 1: they needs in the press. Release the facts to the bulls,
Speaker 1: and the bulls put it out. Come on, you know
Speaker 1: the facts, go get put out. Why you know, how
Speaker 1: the hell else are you gonna tell him? Actually you
Speaker 1: probably could. Michael Jordan's you live up, Bro, Listen to
Speaker 1: what I'm telling you. What is going on? Bro To
Speaker 1: where we're in the era, to where half of the spectrum,
Speaker 1: three quarters of the spectrum, Like this is an error, Bro,
Speaker 1: where Puff is a bully? Puff was there? Okay, don't okay,
Speaker 1: I don't want I don't want to get into this.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into this, but I don't
Speaker 1: want to get into the whole puff. I don't want
Speaker 1: to get it to the whole puff thing. But like
Speaker 1: I said before, it's we're talking about things that are
Speaker 1: generationally just a disconnect, and that's just what it boils
Speaker 1: down to. Even Puff being a bully now is generationally
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, generationally uh, a disconnect because most of the
Speaker 1: time when he's quote unquote bullying people, is usually over
Speaker 1: the fact that people to him are overstepping their bounds
Speaker 1: based upon who he was. And see what Tupac did
Speaker 1: to him at the Sole Train Award time about Tupacs.
Speaker 1: But also yes, but also Puff is more so I
Speaker 1: think Puffy business practices over time, Granted I don't know
Speaker 1: if all of them were fair, not not saying that,
Speaker 1: but the way people look at his business practices is
Speaker 1: probably the biggest thing about it and make people think
Speaker 1: he is a bully. And also he's done things like
Speaker 1: he made the niggas walk to get cheesecake. I mean
Speaker 1: they did that for the camera that was marketing. Why
Speaker 1: the funk would you walk to get a cheesecake for Puff?
Speaker 1: This is my point. You went from an era, We
Speaker 1: went from an era to where like pot and then
Speaker 1: cussing this snick out. They don't he like literally they're
Speaker 1: saying he's running shout out the Puff because Puff is
Speaker 1: a solid nigga. Like what I'm saying. He's in the
Speaker 1: car like running because like niggas who was there, Like Yo,
Speaker 1: he was running because Pop was screaming at him. Right,
Speaker 1: So he's running to an error where two of the
Speaker 1: rappers we have talked about, he punched one out and
Speaker 1: and and stole on up, choke one out and stolen
Speaker 1: on the other one. That don't mean he ain't grown
Speaker 1: since that ship happened. He's older. What that means when
Speaker 1: when the you know a lot of old nigga back,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of older motherfucker's that will radomly
Speaker 1: go off like why do you do that? Niggas with him?
Speaker 1: Because he had a hundred niggas with him. Puff wouldn't
Speaker 1: have pitched the nigga thirty years ago. Puff wouldn't even
Speaker 1: pinched nobody thirty Like what the funk happened to the spectrum? Like,
Speaker 1: are y'all letting like flavorless people? Y'all letting flavorless people
Speaker 1: control the jolks about flavorless people because the niggas got
Speaker 1: but but but to me, some of them niggas have flavor.
Speaker 1: Broig think our definition of flavors. Who got flavor? Jake
Speaker 1: got flavor to me, Bron got flavor to me. Them
Speaker 1: niggas not coin, but they got flavor to me. You
Speaker 1: know what this is like you go to a tie
Speaker 1: restaurant and then said I want the spicy current. They
Speaker 1: go tie spicy. You go no, no white people spicy
Speaker 1: like a one. Your generation is white people's place right flavor.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you'll be working with his fits. You'll be like,
Speaker 1: looking at this with his fits. I don't be fucking
Speaker 1: with his fits. The fits are insane, but also the
Speaker 1: fits are funny. You funk with his doug lit faces
Speaker 1: when he takes the pigeons. Nah, I don't look a
Speaker 1: like Zoo Lander. I don't the niken hang out some places?
Speaker 1: Where is the flavor at? Go ahead, go ahead, bead
Speaker 1: be that guy pavy look looks bro. The nigga sits
Speaker 1: cour side of games. He'd be at to wrap his games,
Speaker 1: yelling that nigga, So y'all just that enamored with success,
Speaker 1: that anybody's successful looks like flavor. Actually, yeah, you have
Speaker 1: a lot of money. You have a lot of person
Speaker 1: not me personally. Let heavy take that one. You have
Speaker 1: a lot of money and ship looks cool with one
Speaker 1: of his own. When you have a lot of money,
Speaker 1: that ship looks cool. We have no are you right, y'all?
Speaker 1: Just to take anything successful? This ship looks cool. You
Speaker 1: got a lot of money, looks cool. Somebody rocking with it.
Speaker 1: Nigga got just on George over your George looks cool.
Speaker 1: See glasses are gonna say right now, back when, back
Speaker 1: in my day, ship was cool with nothing but Dickie's,
Speaker 1: a T shirt and some chucks and Travis Scott has
Speaker 1: a fucking McDonald's meal. G this ship is cool. Who
Speaker 1: the fuck cares a lot of He had niggas around
Speaker 1: up block for that guy. I wasn't there, but he
Speaker 1: had niggas around up block for that McDonald's meal. Who
Speaker 1: the fund goes around the block McDonald's. The niggas who
Speaker 1: want the Travis Scott meal. G Oh, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know how lane you have to be to wait
Speaker 1: in line and McDonald's for a fucking Travis Scott meal. Bro.
Speaker 1: I agree, but niggas love it. There's something wrong with that.
Speaker 1: It's not wrong what you're missing, the poor thing you're
Speaker 1: missing the point, like that's what I'm saying to you, like,
Speaker 1: all somebody has to do is appropriate wealth to you,
Speaker 1: to you to this era. Right Indeed, y'all like, oh
Speaker 1: they're cool, But Ja Cole was cool before he was rich.
Speaker 1: People people actually fun. I mean, I'm sorry I funked
Speaker 1: with Jay Coole struggle too, because I was from the streets.
Speaker 1: What you mean, you're from the streets but you ain't
Speaker 1: not but you're not a quoteun Coote street nigga. You
Speaker 1: still gotta make it out of that motherfucker? Do you
Speaker 1: think about? Was what you melate to most about cold
Speaker 1: with skill? What you mean faan Ville of safe city?
Speaker 1: Do you know anything about fair Ville? Gee, I'm asking
Speaker 1: you a question. Do you know where he grew up
Speaker 1: at in fair Ville? I'm asking you a question. Is
Speaker 1: it a safe city? Is any city in America safe?
Speaker 1: To be honest, there's a lot of station Wait wait
Speaker 1: wait stop that stop that stop there, it's any It's
Speaker 1: any city in America safe when you're a nigga. No, yes, no,
Speaker 1: no with that again, I fundamentally don't agree with that.
Speaker 1: So again now he goes to just a just a
Speaker 1: sheer thought of just being in America. Yep, of struggle.
Speaker 1: But what's wrong with living your truth though glasses? I
Speaker 1: feel like you gotta problem with that, Like it's living
Speaker 1: you to live your truth. But if other people live
Speaker 1: their truth and it's not hood enough or street enough,
Speaker 1: like it's not suffice enough, what's wrong living their own struggle?
Speaker 1: What's wrong with Lebron being like the kid of a
Speaker 1: single mom who used to work two jobs and could
Speaker 1: barely take care of him. He's survived and took care
Speaker 1: of her. It makes them away from his struggle that
Speaker 1: he had to go through. Bro, he still had to
Speaker 1: get here, but still had That's like it doesn't still
Speaker 1: gotta get he became an alcoholice that we never heard
Speaker 1: from him again. We wouldn't even be talking about dollars.
Speaker 1: You had to get here. He still had to get here.
Speaker 1: He would have dollars, and they would have been talking
Speaker 1: about how he sucked it away and how nobody, nobody,
Speaker 1: He wouldn't care nobody, Bro, Like, you still gotta get
Speaker 1: to where you get to. Just because it ain't all
Speaker 1: fucking guns and glory don't mean that it ain't still
Speaker 1: It's not that far. Listen, It's not that far into
Speaker 1: the spectrum. If you want to just listen. Listen, because
Speaker 1: it's a lot of space from here to the air.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of space. Like you have narrow the
Speaker 1: spectrum to hear, there's just here. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: ship between here. You don't gotta just be deaf and
Speaker 1: guns can't can't give you the depth of the other
Speaker 1: ship of white America has fucking student loans. Okay, because listen, listen,
Speaker 1: and I bet the white Americans more money than the
Speaker 1: let me finish, ninety percent of America has issues. What
Speaker 1: fucking student that loan? That's not a black person problem.
Speaker 1: Now that's not to say black people can't have that problem,
Speaker 1: but it's an American problem. What made hip hop special
Speaker 1: and the reason we subscribe to it, bro, it's because
Speaker 1: we were talking about problems that were exclusive to us.
Speaker 1: That's still a US problems, whether you want to acknowledge
Speaker 1: it or not. Generational. But the problem to us coming
Speaker 1: up exclusive is you know, don't stop because your generation, right,
Speaker 1: the niggas that with the school of your generation tell
Speaker 1: all their kids, y'all better take your black ass to school,
Speaker 1: and then we wind up stop doing what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Stop now, Stop because you because you ask you're literally
Speaker 1: missing the key word to make a point instead of listen,
Speaker 1: listen to that. So you just do what you're trying
Speaker 1: to do. Don't do that. Focus hip hop. We're problems
Speaker 1: exclusive to our community. I agree that the issue listen listen, no, no, listen,
Speaker 1: no listen no listen, glasses no glas glasses. In the beginning,
Speaker 1: it was. But the issue with rap at this point
Speaker 1: is it's been around for ways or fifty years. You
Speaker 1: don't get more American hip hop at this point. Again again,
Speaker 1: so what you're doing is you're about to sell out
Speaker 1: our fucking shit. It's too late, nigger. You ain't realized
Speaker 1: that yet. It's your fault. No, it's your phone. Last
Speaker 1: time the wait, wait, wait, wait, glad, what question? That's question? Question?
Speaker 1: Last question, question question. So you said it all started
Speaker 1: with Kanye West. So at what point of Kanye West
Speaker 1: did it start going wrong. It's nothing wrong with Kanye West. Right.
Speaker 1: Kanye West came at a time when hip hop needed
Speaker 1: him right because he became something right that was so
Speaker 1: alternative to the normal conversations right of black struggles. Right.
Speaker 1: It went from like the super left end spectrum right
Speaker 1: of struggle that creates polarity right, this negative life that
Speaker 1: is super left thing, and it brought it to a
Speaker 1: middle right where yes there were some white people problem,
Speaker 1: but he had a good grasp on oppression. He had
Speaker 1: a decent grasp on everything right, even though it struggles
Speaker 1: were his struggles. Like hip hop, ain't just about everybody
Speaker 1: struggles time. It's not fish south side. Listen, listen it start.
Speaker 1: It's not about everybody struggling. Just everybody has a struggle.
Speaker 1: Wealthy people have a struggle. Feel me, But if you're
Speaker 1: telling me the depth of a jewish man getting rich
Speaker 1: is your greatest story of your fucking era. A jewish
Speaker 1: man getting rich mean not to me, You're missing the point.
Speaker 1: That's the person you are celebrating the loudest because he's wealthy.
Speaker 1: Like you just said it right now, he's sitting courtside.
Speaker 1: You mean a Jewish man sitting courtside. You mean the
Speaker 1: jewish man got money. A mountains have turned, a jewish
Speaker 1: man got rich, and it's in course side mounains have turned.
Speaker 1: God has came down off the sky and changed the
Speaker 1: course of time. Jewish man is wealthy? Who ship Wow,
Speaker 1: I cannot believe it. That's like a minute being able
Speaker 1: to dump on a tiff court. It never happens. Oh so,
Speaker 1: so Will Smith didn't exist and people didn't call him
Speaker 1: safe when your generation was coming up. Yes, okay, then
Speaker 1: so it's been safe people the whole time, permeating the
Speaker 1: culture generation exactly, So stop trying to throw it on
Speaker 1: our generation. Act like not, I'm telling it. We just listen, listen, listen.
Speaker 1: It was dope for will Smith, right. So one thing
Speaker 1: that people don't get about wid Smith he was for children, right,
Speaker 1: So when wid Smith came out was like seven, he
Speaker 1: was for us, right because there was no other music
Speaker 1: outside of normal grown up wrapped LLL cool J that
Speaker 1: was for children. So he catered to children, was for
Speaker 1: children who he didn't make believe like the food we're
Speaker 1: not for to dude, I'm gonna blurt that out. But
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is yes, and it was dopeful for
Speaker 1: fresh Prince right because nothing else existed like that, Nothing
Speaker 1: else existed, to be fair, when Drake came out, nothing
Speaker 1: else it like Drake except literally Kanye. I really no, no,
Speaker 1: HEO like I actually agree with them on that. No, No,
Speaker 1: listen that point. I didn't relate to Kanye to Drake
Speaker 1: and I'm from Chicago. What the fuck are you? What
Speaker 1: the fund is different about this ship? He talked about
Speaker 1: women more I'm dead. My favorite Kanye album up to
Speaker 1: that point was Anyway, It's a Heartbreak. You know why
Speaker 1: because you're bosna be fucking listening to R and B.
Speaker 1: I didn't listen to that much R B because they
Speaker 1: talk about holes all the time. That's what they talked
Speaker 1: about his relationships. I didn't listen to that much anyway.
Speaker 1: So what existed before it existed by a whole genre
Speaker 1: full of motherfucker's relationships, but the nigga was rapping with
Speaker 1: it and then singing on the whole career is built
Speaker 1: on women. This is true. What do we talk? I
Speaker 1: don't even make sense. Of course, he's fucking Kanye's son.
Speaker 1: I understand that. Ain't a waiting heartbreak? Is their father? Yes?
Speaker 1: I get that? And what did I just say? Eight
Speaker 1: A Waits was my favorite? Was what really introduced me
Speaker 1: to Kanye West before then I wasn't I again? You
Speaker 1: fucking with somebody is not God? Damn it? What happened? Bro?
Speaker 1: And what's happening? Is I see it coming? I see
Speaker 1: it coming a mile away. It happened with rock and roll.
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I agree with that Regga two
Speaker 1: because I mean the white happening, you know, I was
Speaker 1: you happen. I agree with right. I agree with that
Speaker 1: there's a kinny G. Carlo was the kinny G of
Speaker 1: hip hop. It's coming. I agree with that. Fucking fault
Speaker 1: Vanilla Ice existed, eminem existed. What the they're literally you're
Speaker 1: talking about anomalies. I'm talking about great marketing. No, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about No, this is about talented people. He's talented
Speaker 1: to I don't Jack Carlo, and I don't job, and
Speaker 1: I don't consume Jack Carlo's music. It's not about Jack Carlo.
Speaker 1: But I'm not going to argue again again again. Listen,
Speaker 1: there's no personal steak and there's no personal staking talent. Bro,
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm saying, Tim, All of these people
Speaker 1: were talking about our talented people. Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, when did the fucking chicken lose the seasoning?
Speaker 1: Like all the chicken like yo, California California Kitchen is good,
Speaker 1: like like yes, Kentucky Fried Chicken sells fried chicken. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they don't sell murdering guns and say you're missing
Speaker 1: the point. You heard about the cholesterol problems. Yes, but
Speaker 1: but they don't. But that ain't got rid chicken. Listen,
Speaker 1: fried Chicken is so full, But that don't mean Kentucky
Speaker 1: Fried Chicken sells soul fool who was the last biggest
Speaker 1: rapper to talk about killing people in their music for
Speaker 1: the men? Stop doing that to your question not just spectrum.
Speaker 1: I'm asking you a question. I'm specifically what you're doing.
Speaker 1: You're reducing it down to I'm saying you're marketing the
Speaker 1: mainstream America, and you won't marry j Bliss to do
Speaker 1: chicken commercials and rappers to do chicken commercials. You will
Speaker 1: pick the safest ones so that way they can market
Speaker 1: their product to your audience. Fucking sellout. It's not that
Speaker 1: it's not about it being a sellout. Nor it's not
Speaker 1: because a lot of how is it when these problems
Speaker 1: still exists. It's not about being a sellout because the
Speaker 1: culture sold out decades ago when well, we we gave
Speaker 1: all our ship away to the white people, and we say,
Speaker 1: telling out, what do we all? What do we have? Nothing?
Speaker 1: Other than that, it's complaining about their royalties because the
Speaker 1: Vivendi family own it. Bro Rock Nation, Rocket Feller was
Speaker 1: not sold out like death Row is not sold out,
Speaker 1: like Rufus is not. So what do you that's not
Speaker 1: true what you're doing. Isabel was still taking checks from
Speaker 1: the white man and were talking from the white man.
Speaker 1: You gotta listen to what the white man telling you
Speaker 1: to do. And if he's say, nigga, stopped talking about
Speaker 1: killing niggas, so I can put you in this commercial
Speaker 1: and we're gonna give you a million dollars that they're
Speaker 1: gonna shoot his ass up, and he's gonna start rapp
Speaker 1: about melodies and women and wearing jewelry. And that's what
Speaker 1: happens a lot of times. That's not that's probably Travis
Speaker 1: Scott music is probably more violent than every other music.
Speaker 1: It's tons of violent, it's tons of races, attitude, it's
Speaker 1: the people that's on his songs. It's not it's not
Speaker 1: whol culture of what he talks about is racing and
Speaker 1: not violently. That's not violently And saying I'm an elbow
Speaker 1: you when we get to my concert is not being
Speaker 1: future whole. Music is about being a drug. And so
Speaker 1: was Rick James. So was Press talking about this ship
Speaker 1: and missing the point. You're making my point. So the
Speaker 1: trauma exists still because Future is that ship, that's flavor,
Speaker 1: that's flat. You're missing the point because you just wanted
Speaker 1: to bate it because you don't want to be on it.
Speaker 1: And this is the brond sexual niggas. Future is Flavor,
Speaker 1: but Future also speak out of drake and work with
Speaker 1: a drake. So explain to me why this ship happens
Speaker 1: the same reason run dm C works with Aerosmith, the
Speaker 1: same reason if somebody could work with mcdonnad. It's not
Speaker 1: about them working with them, but when they become the
Speaker 1: representation of you and your struggle. You were complicit in that.
Speaker 1: When you when you walk this way and you was
Speaker 1: complicit in and when you hate that song I hate Nellie,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about talking about running see you was
Speaker 1: gonna listen and creating this sellout culture when you may
Speaker 1: walk this way, all these we understood. No white dudes
Speaker 1: and hip hop, No, we don't care about white dudes.
Speaker 1: It it's not about white dudes and hip hop is
Speaker 1: the problem. It's the problem when you start allowing the
Speaker 1: culture to shift into a place to where the majority
Speaker 1: of it doesn't represent our problems right from the urban
Speaker 1: street corners. Right, that's exclusive to the ship we're going to.
Speaker 1: When you start making the depth of your struggle as
Speaker 1: a rapper, college loans, being accused of stealing pants, right,
Speaker 1: a Jewish man who gets rich, that's the depth. I
Speaker 1: just think the death you don't. I just think you
Speaker 1: don't consume think that was the full depth of of
Speaker 1: Coal and kind story. That wasn't the full depth of Drake.
Speaker 1: He was like somebody being from Canada who had a
Speaker 1: who was mixed, who had um a white mother, who
Speaker 1: came to career. Is I'm a Disney Channel actor who
Speaker 1: got a lot of money and I tricked it off
Speaker 1: on Instagram models. That's the depth of this whole story.
Speaker 1: Don't try to make that ship. And that's my problem.
Speaker 1: He traveled to America, he has a Jewish mother, he
Speaker 1: was a child star actor. But but listen, I also
Speaker 1: think that's why Drake is not fully accepted in hip
Speaker 1: hop the same way like let's say Kendrick Is. He's
Speaker 1: not a hip hop artist. He's an artist who raps. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's fully accepted in hip hop, but
Speaker 1: I do think I feel you as far as rap
Speaker 1: Um getting less away from his roots. But I think
Speaker 1: the issue with that, like I said earlier, it's been
Speaker 1: around fifty years. It is an American. That's not why
Speaker 1: it's getting away though American. Listen, you're not finding mixed things.
Speaker 1: That's further than the culture. You're finding things the same
Speaker 1: things that other garmers went to too. When you stop
Speaker 1: allowing flavor to represent it, right, you're again the thing
Speaker 1: about hip hop that they didn't used to tell us
Speaker 1: what to listen to. Like, you literally go to the
Speaker 1: urban record store and some nigga like, you need to
Speaker 1: funk with this nigga. Right, So the closest marketing could
Speaker 1: happen could be the record retail person or the one
Speaker 1: stopped telling the record guy, hey pushed this record. If
Speaker 1: you pushed this many units, I think you still got
Speaker 1: that though. No, what you have now is since the
Speaker 1: blog error started shout out to the homies is a
Speaker 1: bunch of college kids telling you what's hip hop? Playlisting
Speaker 1: college kids telling you what's hip hop. And the college
Speaker 1: kids was doing that too. They were just working at
Speaker 1: the record labels in the marketing and sales departments. They
Speaker 1: were yes, they were had records. No, you wasn't. Tom
Speaker 1: step also had deaf jam was corny white dudes and
Speaker 1: college that team though with some black dudes. They Russell
Speaker 1: Simmons is deaf jam. So who did business with Rubin?
Speaker 1: What you're missing that there was white nerdy college kids.
Speaker 1: It's not white. I'm telling you. They didn't shake the
Speaker 1: complete coach. They're shaping your culture completely. They're helping lie
Speaker 1: in your pocket so you can go a market and
Speaker 1: exude what they're not helping line your pockets. They're writing
Speaker 1: you out of the same thing that they wrote every
Speaker 1: last other motherfucking person out of. This won't be ours,
Speaker 1: sure enough, it's inevitable. And I'm asking you based on
Speaker 1: this era. And it's not lebron fault. It's it's all
Speaker 1: I've never you know, Michael Jordan's for being vanilla. So
Speaker 1: so when a guy like Lebron come along, what does
Speaker 1: Lebron and Michael Jordan have to do with it? You're
Speaker 1: missing the point of what I'm saying. In the previous generation,
Speaker 1: I'm not blaming I'm not blaming Lebron. I'm blaming fans
Speaker 1: of Lebron who grew up on Lebron I'm blaming the
Speaker 1: fact that you can micro managed market complete stories polarity.
Speaker 1: That's my point. Lebron is a symptom, not the disease.
Speaker 1: People blame Lebron. It's not lebron fault. He's not before see,
Speaker 1: And this is the point. I never blamed Lebron. It's funny.
Speaker 1: We agreed on the language and I meant it in
Speaker 1: the complete opposite meetings, and I think I never blamed Lebron.
Speaker 1: It's not Lebron's fault. It's your fault, not yours. But
Speaker 1: you say he's safe, and when you say, we say
Speaker 1: he's controversial, so you are kind of blaming him by saying,
Speaker 1: I'm blaming y'all for because you don't fucking know it's
Speaker 1: a manufactured controversy from the people around him. Goes back
Speaker 1: to what Path said, success. How do you frame success
Speaker 1: with flavor? That's the problem. That's the problem with hip hop.
Speaker 1: Everybody's trying to market wealth. So because that's all you
Speaker 1: want to buy now, not even that fucking poor, you've
Speaker 1: kind of always market wealth and rap. We've kind of
Speaker 1: always marketed. We have always has always been no, that's
Speaker 1: always been a side that kind of marketed wealth or
Speaker 1: like or like money being some level of a status symbol.
Speaker 1: Do you understand Rockefeller's whole marketing was wealthy, the whole
Speaker 1: market as well. Yeah, some niggas. Why I worked, you
Speaker 1: know why? It was dope, bad way to market wealth.
Speaker 1: It's different. You know why. You know why I worked
Speaker 1: because it was a bunch of fucking niggas from Brooklyn
Speaker 1: and Harlem trying to get rich. Yeah, that's why it
Speaker 1: was the struggle, trying to overcome the struggle. So they
Speaker 1: were trying to market themselves into position, not a bunch
Speaker 1: of niggas who should be rich getting rich. If the
Speaker 1: song how you still gonna play it though? Every time?
Speaker 1: Every time, but all I'm saying it's not. But again,
Speaker 1: you keep That's why I stayed early on. I said,
Speaker 1: it's not about talent. They were talented people the whole time.
Speaker 1: They just didn't represent the culture as the front. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, bro, like this is what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: you're saying, this is what you're saying. You're saying this
Speaker 1: Niga is so polarizing. That's crazy, and I just polarizing.
Speaker 1: He is polarizing. He's a polar He's not like on
Speaker 1: the scale of one to ten, it's probably a five.
Speaker 1: On the scale one of team, he's a three. Do
Speaker 1: you know what's polarizing his fucking fanatics. That's the point
Speaker 1: of this conversation. It's not Bron Bron straight up and down.
Speaker 1: I can see when the brin gonna do before you
Speaker 1: do it. I told you what he's gonna do in
Speaker 1: this season as a basketball player. I got him down
Speaker 1: from the first to the last day. Easy nothing. Aboudium says,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna happen. He's almost too easy.
Speaker 1: He's actually too easy to know what's gonna happen. His
Speaker 1: fan base is unfucking believable. Y'all got to be the
Speaker 1: most polarizing motherfucker's breathing air because he raised people. He's
Speaker 1: so much a part of people's lives. I'm not disagreeing
Speaker 1: athletes were a part of all our lives. But you
Speaker 1: got twenty four hours. Actress was Eddie murpht was a
Speaker 1: part of my life. But you got twenty four hour
Speaker 1: access to these people or some people that don't matter.
Speaker 1: They don't have anything going on twenty four hours. It's
Speaker 1: not like they're doing some ship that's polarizing disconnect to
Speaker 1: you to back to back drop at four o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning, I could got killed. You know why, because
Speaker 1: that is one of the most polarizing moments and hip
Speaker 1: hop in his career. I agree, don't have polarizing I
Speaker 1: didn't say that. Just wake up early in the morning
Speaker 1: all the time to push your T shirt. Like listen,
Speaker 1: I don't even follow Drake on any social media. No,
Speaker 1: you don't because I know you. I don't follow no
Speaker 1: slaves only social media because I don't care. But then
Speaker 1: how did I get it? Like I remember somebody was tweeted, Oh,
Speaker 1: Drake bed eight thousand dollars on the fucking Duke game
Speaker 1: because people love fucking sports betting, so they see Drake
Speaker 1: putting eight thousand dollars on the dude game, me a game.
Speaker 1: People love that ship. They eat it up. I don't
Speaker 1: know why would they eat it up. I'm telling you what, Lebron,
Speaker 1: When the nigga said, fucking don't be a player, be
Speaker 1: a player, lame is hell? People ate it the funk up.
Speaker 1: That's interesting to people. You know why? I interested? You
Speaker 1: know why it's interesting to those people? Why? Because they're
Speaker 1: fucking lane. That's you just said it like I saw that,
Speaker 1: But people like that, what that said? What ron bergne is?
Speaker 1: I laughed at it. I thought it was a joke.
Speaker 1: I laughed at it. And next people are like, you
Speaker 1: don't be player, be player. I'm like, yo, because that's
Speaker 1: how little flavor is acquired for people to have to
Speaker 1: choke down the meat these days. Exactly like that killing
Speaker 1: me man, I don't know people like that. Ship. Good
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Speaker 1: episode was recorded right here on the West Coast of
Speaker 1: the USA and produced by my homeboy A King for
Speaker 1: the Black Effect Podcast Network and I Heart Radio. Yeah.