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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the fire Drill. Before we get into

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Speaker 1: this week's episode, I do want to tell you Tuesday, uh,

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Speaker 1: the second episode of the grind Our Show on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: super biased because this is the coolest week of my life.

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Speaker 1: But uh, it is Mark Baldwin's second episode about his

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Speaker 1: we talked about my dad and uh I cried and

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Speaker 1: please don't screenshot that and making a social media clip. Um.

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Speaker 1: But we talked about my dad and his his role

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Speaker 1: and uh, we got into Patrick Read and another rules controversy,

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Speaker 1: we got into live. Uh, we got into Anthony Kim,

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Speaker 1: is Anthony Kim coming back and the fact that he

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Speaker 1: would truly move the needle on the live thing. You

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Speaker 1: gotta wonder Alan has some great insight because he's done

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Speaker 1: a couple of very in depth stories on Anthony when

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Speaker 1: he was playing. Um we talked about Max Homa and

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Speaker 1: what an important time for the PGA tour to have

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Speaker 1: It's another episode we talked about libraries. That is the

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Speaker 1: mean that is the fire drill and nutshell. We talked

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Speaker 1: watch the Grind Tuesday. It will drop on my Twitter

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Speaker 1: go check it out. We've really really worked hard on this.

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Speaker 1: People behind the scenes. Jake is one of them who's

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Speaker 1: producing this podcast. Also a million people behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: to everybody without further ado, here's the three of us

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Speaker 1: talking golf. I got my head, can't get jan nothing

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Speaker 1: Of course we have Max Homa, who's just turned into

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Speaker 1: We'll get to all that as well. But UM, if

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Speaker 1: it's okay with you, Ryan, I thought we we'd start

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Speaker 1: with you. I mean, you've you've written so beautifully about

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Speaker 1: and you've taken readers through this long journey as he's

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Speaker 1: about how Mrs monday Que you know, was so devoted

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Speaker 1: to your own grind. Like we tried to talk Ryan

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Speaker 1: really hated each other and the tea thing happened and

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Speaker 1: all of that stuff, it would be so interesting on

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Speaker 1: a week to week basis. We never get they're never

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Speaker 1: going to play together. Obviously the masters were not like

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Speaker 1: pare them, although I asked them two in a tweet,

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Speaker 1: like golf golf. Golf needs a villain, and and the

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Speaker 1: live took all of them. That's lived problems. They have

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Speaker 1: all villains and no good guys. Maybe Cam Smiths a

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Speaker 1: good dude, but like they have all the villains, like

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Speaker 1: this would be so fun. And this is the cart

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Speaker 1: I r L thing that I always bring up. It's

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Speaker 1: like it's divided and we're gonna forget about. Like it's

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Speaker 1: just it's just a sad look that this is what

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Speaker 1: golf is well. And the last thing I'll say is

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Speaker 1: the tea gate is the most golf fight ever, right,

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Speaker 1: Like how key players literally literally throw fifths every day,

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Speaker 1: right like they get on an actually have a physical fight,

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Speaker 1: pound each other in the head. And then like that's it.

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Speaker 1: And we're talking about a man flipping a t at

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Speaker 1: the ass of another player like it's the you know,

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Speaker 1: like the greatest fight in the history of the world,

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Speaker 1: like it's Ali Fraser or something. Yeah, well, I mean

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Speaker 1: they may wind up playing together more often than you think,

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Speaker 1: because the whole reason Patrick Green and other live guys

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Speaker 1: are playing on the European Tour right now is that

452
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Speaker 1: there was this injunction that was filed and um Ino

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Speaker 1: in only a couple of weeks away where this is

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Speaker 1: going to go before the courts in the U K.

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Speaker 1: And they're going to have to decide um can the

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Speaker 1: very narrow issue of can the European tour demand releases

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Speaker 1: for players and and that whole system of sort of

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Speaker 1: stricting who can play when and where is is being

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Speaker 1: thrown into question. And this has been ruled on by

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Speaker 1: the High Court in Singapore years ago. The Asian Tour

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Speaker 1: um find some players who played in a conflicting event

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Speaker 1: and without getting a release, and they're repudiated by essentially

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court of of of Singapore and they read

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Speaker 1: they Asiano had to pay back the fines and basically

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Speaker 1: said you can't do that. And there's a ruling in

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Speaker 1: Australia years ago involving cricket players. They had an analogous

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Speaker 1: situation and the High Court of Australia ruled, or the

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Speaker 1: Federal Court of Australia ruled in favor of the cricketeers,

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Speaker 1: saying that they should be able to play wherever they want,

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Speaker 1: whenever they want. And so there, you know, these are

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Speaker 1: different parts of the world, but there is an emerging

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Speaker 1: body of legal thinking that the system that's in place

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Speaker 1: now is not going to hold. And so and there's

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Speaker 1: even folks who feel like the European Tour may want

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Speaker 1: to lose this case because then they can say, Jay Monahan,

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Speaker 1: hey we tried our best, we went to we went

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Speaker 1: to war for you. But this is what the court said.

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Speaker 1: So now they get all their players back, and that

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Speaker 1: would allow um, you know, Martin Kaymer to play the

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Speaker 1: German Open, and Lee Westwood to play the the British Masters,

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Speaker 1: and you know all Sergio to play the Spanish Open,

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Speaker 1: like these are important draws for these tournaments, and just

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Speaker 1: they say nothing of Ryder Cup involvement. And then there's

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Speaker 1: a major Writer Cup implications. So um, and obviously if

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Speaker 1: if Europe lets all their players play, that's gonna put

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Speaker 1: the pressure on the U S side to open it

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Speaker 1: up to the Dustin Johnson's of the world. And so

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Speaker 1: this is this is a very important legal case. How

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Speaker 1: long it's going to be argued, how long it's gonna

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Speaker 1: take to get the ruling back is a fundamental question

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Speaker 1: that nobody can answer. But there will be a decision

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Speaker 1: at some point and that will that will shape this

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Speaker 1: debate in a profound way. So if if the tour

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Speaker 1: loses and the players win, then you're gonna see the

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Speaker 1: live guys all over the European Tour because they want

496
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Speaker 1: the world ranking points and they have, you know, a

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Speaker 1: lot of history at these events. And then of course

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Speaker 1: it does we know they're gonna see each other at

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Speaker 1: the Majors and that's gonna add a lot of juice.

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Speaker 1: So um. You know, remember in the old days, Michael

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Speaker 1: and the U s g A. They would do funny pairings,

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Speaker 1: like one year they put all the fat guys together

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Speaker 1: and um, they they had they had a little bit

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Speaker 1: of an edge, and the pairings like you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: get Patrick and and and and Rory at the Masters.

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Speaker 1: You you might get at the US Open because like

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Speaker 1: just because they're a little more muckreakers and they liked

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Speaker 1: the attention. I don't know that would be epic. I

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Speaker 1: agree though. Yeah, just one quick note. I've probably have

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Speaker 1: said this before, but I would have never guessed that

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Speaker 1: Patrick Reid would join this live tour, uh for any

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Speaker 1: number of reasons. You know, what was this thing what

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Speaker 1: do they call him on the Ryder Cup teams? Captain

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Speaker 1: what Captain America? Captain America? That was the start of

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Speaker 1: then of course that you know the red and the

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Speaker 1: black and the following Tigers thing. But this, above all else,

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Speaker 1: here's Tiger who really, when it's all said and done,

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Speaker 1: even north of Rory, is really the spokesman for uh,

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Speaker 1: the PGA tour um, you know, as the ruling king

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Speaker 1: of professional golf. Patrick Read owes his golfing life, I

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Speaker 1: think to the act of Tiger Woods choosing him for

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Speaker 1: that President's Cup team and then embracing him after that

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Speaker 1: cheating scandal at at the Albany event. Um, things could

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Speaker 1: have things went south for Patrick Reed, but they were

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Speaker 1: been way way worse. And then Patrick Reed played very

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Speaker 1: poorly the first couple of days, maybe the first three days,

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Speaker 1: and there was the thing with the caddy and all

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Speaker 1: the rest. Patrick's read Patrick Reid's career could have spiraled

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Speaker 1: out of control without Tiger's support and uh and it didn't.

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Speaker 1: I mean he was holding on but it but it didn't. Well,

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Speaker 1: It's true when when you go down the list of

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Speaker 1: of the big name players who to live, they were

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Speaker 1: old or they were injured. Basically, whether you're talking about Bryson,

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Speaker 1: you're talking about Phil, you're talking about Brooks, Dustin not

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Speaker 1: that old, but possibly you know, he's told people he

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Speaker 1: doesn't want to play forever like he he's he's an

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Speaker 1: old whatever thirty eight. So read is the one guy

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Speaker 1: that doesn't fit the profile because he's young and he's healthy,

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Speaker 1: and he was playing very well on the PGA tour.

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Speaker 1: But here here's what I think it's all about. He

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Speaker 1: liked the outlaw spirit of the live guys, and I

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Speaker 1: think he knew he was going to be unencumbered when

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Speaker 1: he got there, just to be himself. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's why these lawsuits have touched off, because the tour

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Speaker 1: would not have supported him. If he was going after reporters,

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Speaker 1: it would have been a lot of blowback. It would

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Speaker 1: have I'm not sure would have even been possible if

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Speaker 1: he was a tour member. But we know that that

549
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Speaker 1: anything goes on the live tour more or less, and

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Speaker 1: you're free to be the asshole that you are. They

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Speaker 1: encourage it, and so I think obviously the money was

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Speaker 1: a factor, but Patrick Reid was making a hell of

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00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: a lot money on the PGA tour. I think honestly

554
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: for him it was like sticking it to the man,

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Speaker 1: just knowing that all his colleagues in the poor hated

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Speaker 1: him all the battles he'd had. Um it was sort

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Speaker 1: of a fresh start. But more than that, it was

558
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Speaker 1: he was unencumbered. He could be more himself. And it's

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Speaker 1: also why Live has a chance to sign Anthony Kim,

560
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Speaker 1: because part of what drove Anthony Kim off the PGA

561
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Speaker 1: tour was, and he told me this a few times,

562
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Speaker 1: he hated all the PGA tour um guys lording over him,

563
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: the suspensions and the find like he was always in

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Speaker 1: the principal's office and and he never vibed with his

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Speaker 1: colleagues on the PGA tour, who, as we know, skew

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Speaker 1: towards conservative, religious Southern and again like it's a different

567
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: scene on on live golfs And obviously the upfront money

568
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: is intoxicating, we know that. But I think for a

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Speaker 1: guy like Patrick Green Priy, for like Anthony Kim, they

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Speaker 1: feel more at home there because as you said, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: it's a bunch of it's a bunch of dicks, and

572
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: they're they're at home. But I and I also think

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Speaker 1: that Patrick read Michael and is so out of touch

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Speaker 1: with reality or lives in his own reality. Like again,

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Speaker 1: like Alan said it, who would like, if you're Patrick Read,

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Speaker 1: you like any person would go like, hey, I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna go up to Rory and say hello, he obviously

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Speaker 1: hates me, right, And the same thing with with the

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Speaker 1: ball in the tree. Any normal human would be who's

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Speaker 1: gone through the things that Patrick read Is has in

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Speaker 1: the in the rules department, you would look up there,

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Speaker 1: right and you'd go, you know what, I think that's

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Speaker 1: my ball. But just to be safe, I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: back to the tea because I can't undercent identify it,

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna win over some hearts and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: lose a couple of strokes. Like it's not about money,

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Speaker 1: it's just he lives in an adverse like a reality,

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Speaker 1: an adverse reality, like any person that has had as

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Speaker 1: many rules controversies as him goes up to that tree

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Speaker 1: and goes, yeah, I don't know, I don't think that's

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00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's my ball, but I'm not positive.

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00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: If we can't shake it down, I'm going back to

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Speaker 1: the tea, like anyone that that is the rule you

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Speaker 1: have to positively identify. So, I mean, heats up on

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Speaker 1: the tree and it's just like he just lives. He

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Speaker 1: doesn't think about Tiger helping him out. He doesn't think

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Speaker 1: about anything. He just lives in this adverse like this,

598
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Speaker 1: this world where just his own world. And it's why

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Speaker 1: his arrogance is astounding, and and and and it was

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Speaker 1: on display for everybody who's interested to see at Tory

601
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Speaker 1: Pines a couple of years ago. You know when when

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Speaker 1: he said to the rules official, but I'm gonna let you,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you. I'm gonna let you. That's the

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Speaker 1: rules officials doing his job. Patrick Greed is not doing

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Speaker 1: his job. And and the tone should be Ryan, just

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Speaker 1: what you what you said, I'm gonna bend over backwards

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Speaker 1: here to make sure you get it right. That's what

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Speaker 1: golf is supposed to be. So you know you're right.

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Speaker 1: But I would have thought at the end of the

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Speaker 1: day he still would have showed difference to Tiger. That

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Speaker 1: that's where I sort of that was the line I

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Speaker 1: thought he would never cross, but obviously he did. Allen,

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Speaker 1: you would know you would know the most is is

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Speaker 1: there any chance there's been a lot of Twitter that

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Speaker 1: a K is coming back your personal thoughts or anything

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00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: you're hearing. Do you think there's any chance he comes back. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time with Anthony Kim when

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Speaker 1: I was doing a big feature on him for UM

619
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Speaker 1: for Sports Illustrated, and that was peak a k It was.

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Speaker 1: It was like a week after the Masters when he

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Speaker 1: almost won that thing. He made like whatever ten or

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00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: eleven birdies on Sunday and uh, he was flying so

623
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Speaker 1: high and um, and then of course things went sideways.

624
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: And then I wrote the big story that the kind

625
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: of cracked the code about this insurance pout he'd gotten

626
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: and that was part of why he's on the sidelines

627
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: and the injuries. But I probably underplayed it in that

628
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: story and I learned more about it after it was published,

629
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Speaker 1: Like he really had the driver yips and some of

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Speaker 1: that was swinging um changes that were necessitated by the

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Speaker 1: injuries and compensations. And you know that happens. That happening

632
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: David Duval, Like when you get hurt and you start

633
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 1: swinging the club differently, it goes from physical to mental.

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Speaker 1: But but Anthony Kim had a severe case of it.

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Speaker 1: And so the two questions are can his body hold up?

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Speaker 1: It's it's not just tournament play, it's how much practice

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00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: you have to play to be tournament sharp. You know,

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00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: he's had obviously a lot of time to recover, but

639
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: he's also now he's getting close to forty, and so

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Speaker 1: the big questions are what is the state of his body,

641
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: but also what is the state of his mind? Like

642
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: the driver, hips has ended plenty of of of careers,

643
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: and running away from the game doesn't really cure it

644
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: and almost makes it worse. If you quit when you

645
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: have them, you're not fixed. You're gonna have to come

646
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: back and you're gonna have to look down a fairway

647
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: with all kinds of hazards and lined by people. And

648
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: in his case, there would be an intense media scrutiny

649
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: for every swing. It would be an event. He's there's

650
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: no easing into it, you know, if if that's the

651
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: route he goes and so, and he was tired of

652
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: that scrutiny because he was playing really poorly for almost

653
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: two years and he was always getting in trouble by

654
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: the tour and he was just burnt out on the

655
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: whole thing. So maybe he's had enough time to miss

656
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: it and to refresh and recharge. But I still think

657
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: it's the longest of long shots. But but would wouldn't

658
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't live golf give him an easy out for all

659
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: the problems you just outlined. In other words, there's no

660
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: there's no ferries lines with fans, but it will be

661
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: you're paid up front, yeah, for sure. But the lights

662
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: are still on on the c W. I mean, there's

663
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: a the c W audience is waiting to watch Anthony Kim.

664
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: He's there demographic actually you know, teenage, but all the

665
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: people they have, he would one bringing the fans in

666
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: at least temporarily, I mean, like for the first five

667
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: six tournaments. And if he plays well, like the guy

668
00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: was uh a lightning bolt, I mean, so he would

669
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: bring fans in for at least the first few offense. Now,

670
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: if he has the gifts and he's shooting a d

671
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: every time, that will obviously end relatively quickly. But at

672
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: the beginning, golf Twitter will be locked in on Anthony

673
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: Kim absolutely, And there were all you know, as he's

674
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: as his game was deteriorating and his body was breaking down,

675
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: he became and I read them all. I mean, there

676
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: was a lot of what's wrong with Anthony Kim's stories

677
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: and that it really nettled him and he so I

678
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: would I would say, it's it's one chance and we

679
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: all have a price. We all have a price and that.

680
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: So he got this big insurance power and supposedly he

681
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 1: was a very savvy investor. He had smart people around

682
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: him and apparently made just sent a picture on Instagram

683
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: of him in a private plane. It's like how like yeah,

684
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: like he obviously still Like how does Anthony Kim still

685
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: afford I mean, as far as I know, he doesn't

686
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: do any speeches or anything like that, Like you's just

687
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: living off of this insurance thing, or or maybe he's

688
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: on a private plane because he's getting a large check

689
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: from Greg Norman. It's Greg's plane. Um. I mean supposedly

690
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: he he invested a lot of his money in these

691
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: medical device companies that went crazy, and like I was

692
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: told by people close to him who who knew that,

693
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: like he set for life and so I don't know.

694
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: It's it's an interesting it's a tantalizing question. His Instagram picture,

695
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: he needs to eat a cheeseburger. The dude is rail thin,

696
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: I mean like rail thin. That's interesting. Yeah, because he

697
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: was a little he had a little baby fat on

698
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: him back in his heyday. Um, a lot there's a

699
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of calories and Louis the fourteen

700
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: Konjak or whatever he was buying for thousand dollars a bottle.

701
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: So um yeah. I mean again, like we haven't we

702
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: haven't really touched on the live golf schedule which has

703
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: been released, or the TV deal. It's all it's the

704
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: drama is like, it's we'll see how much if they

705
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: can sustain that, because for that was one of the

706
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: keys to their existence, was just the energy and the

707
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: it was part of the conversation constantly, and it you know,

708
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: Sports Business Journal named it the biggest story in sports,

709
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: like that was not about the competition and the open

710
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: there lingering questions and we're gonna pay attention to the competition,

711
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:20,959
Speaker 1: but look at the we're already off to this start.

712
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 1: We got a k we got t Gate, we got

713
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: all this stuff. It's like, oh my god. I mean,

714
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: we have talked about how impressed we all are that

715
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: they are this far. Uh, but they definitely need a

716
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: splash in the signing department. It seems this offseason, you know,

717
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 1: there was a lot of rumors of top guys, can't

718
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: Lexander all those guys, and they've all kind of sworn

719
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: it off, and it seems like they've been telling the

720
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: truth like they haven't. You know, there's a lot of

721
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: rumors that Meteo Pereira has gone, he's joined the agency,

722
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: that uh, all the lift guys are under now. Daniel

723
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: Report said that, and um, you know, so they need

724
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: a splash and a K would be a splash Meto

725
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: prayer not a splash. Yeah. The only thing about cant

726
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: Le is he always says I'm committed the PGA Tour.

727
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: I love the PGA Tour for now. All those two

728
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: words are always tacked on at the end, so um yeah,

729
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: I mean it was interesting talking to people down at Tori, like, um,

730
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: that's the one name that keeps popping up. Xander, I

731
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: think is is definitely Team Tour forever. But Cantle's name

732
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: still gets tossed around. Who knows. But I mean he's

733
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: now on the board of Directors of the PGA Tour,

734
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: like it would that would be. He was in the

735
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: Delaware meeting like it would be a big deal. There's

736
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: still some bitterness that um um Joaki Neiman went because

737
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: he was part of some some very rarefied conversations and

738
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: he was you know, he's a great top young player

739
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: who everyone had a high hopes for a one Tiger's

740
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: event at Rivieria, like and and I'm still detected bitterness

741
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: that he was kind of a double agent because he

742
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: was part of some high level conversations on the tour

743
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: and then he went to Live. So Catley would be

744
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: a much bigger betrayal, I mean in that context because

745
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: he he is one of the keeper of the keys

746
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: for the PGA Tour now. So I don't know that

747
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: that's the problem for Live Golf is they've set this

748
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: benchmark so high, like you've got to have the buzz,

749
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: You've got to always make a splash, you you always

750
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: have to be bringing in some impactful signing. But it

751
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: seems like the bottle lines have been drawn and there's

752
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: just the only players available or kind of fringe. Did

753
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: either of you have a moment where you saw the

754
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: headline calling Mari calling Marikawa and and Adam Scott joined

755
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: new Golf League and he thought, oh, they've joined Live

756
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: and that you know, Tuesday night thing or whatever it is.

757
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: Do you guys have that experience at all? Yeah, I

758
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: mean a hundred percent. I forget about this Tiger Electronic game.

759
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: I mean, like, what, it's not a new golf league.

760
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: It's what. I don't know what it is, but yes,

761
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 1: for a moment, I'm like, oh my god, oh well,

762
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: it's it's a money laundering scheme. It's like, how can

763
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: we pay these guys more money to stay loyal to

764
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: the tour? Uh? I mean, I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna

765
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: watch it the first one. I might actually trying to

766
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: attend the first one just for giggles, but maybe it's

767
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: gonna be amazing. I'm trying to keep it open mind,

768
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: but it just does seem like a way to get

769
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: these guys more, you know, unsanctioned money. But I think

770
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: it is good to keep an open mind about it because,

771
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: like I remember, I've probably have told you this story, Allan,

772
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: but I'm probably not. But I happen to be standing

773
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: under the trade Augusta National and Chip Brewer, the CEO

774
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: of Cali, who was talking about some new investment they

775
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: were making in this thing called top golf, and he

776
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: described it very accurately. Was what it turned out to be?

777
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: Like what a waste of money? You know? How wrong

778
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: was that? All? Right? Before we go, we got to

779
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: talk about Maxima winning at Tori because we need to

780
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: feel good story. And you know, Home I started out

781
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: is kind of this fun, cuddly character with lots of jokes,

782
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: and he's into an absolute killer. I mean he's winning

783
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: on big time courses with really stout, precise, thoughtful golf.

784
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: I mean his game is so built for the majors

785
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: as obviously only the next step you went five times

786
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: and twenty five months, like you've proven you you can close,

787
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: and he's closed. Now he's just gotta take it to

788
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: that next level. But um, I don't know if you

789
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: guys caught the tell the essentially the third round telecast

790
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: when he was miked up in the round and he

791
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: was talking to the announcers and he had the thing

792
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: in his ear, and that was a major breakthrough coverage wise.

793
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: I mean he's talking strategy, he's talking the mental game

794
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: in competition, and he's got like four different voices in

795
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: his year because all the announcers are are hitting him up,

796
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: and I mean, shows what a good sport he is.

797
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: Um to take that on, But it was also it

798
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: was great TV and this guy has become such a

799
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: star because he's kind of proven you don't have to

800
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: be an asshole to be a great player. You can

801
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: be genuine and funny and sincere and sweet and also

802
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: a killer. I mean, what a what a combination. This,

803
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 1: It's it's great stuff. He knows. He's got a really

804
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: nice manner with reporters and with fans, with with his

805
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: fellow players. You know, he's really the full package. He

806
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: looks great, he's got a beautiful swing and um, and

807
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: he doesn't quote just say the right thing. I mean,

808
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: he actually tells you what he's feeling and thinking. I

809
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: think he's been tourific for for the tour and you know,

810
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: going into l A. I mean he's shown that. I

811
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: mean he's grew up in l A. And I'm sure

812
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: he knows the course well, but way beyond that, just

813
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: seems to love the grass in the air on the

814
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: West coast. And uh, he looks like he'll be good

815
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: for for for a long time to come. He's been terrific.

816
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: Did a Monday Qualifier ever figure in his rise? Ryan,

817
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: I'd like, yes, not only that, but I tweeted many

818
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: times and tweeted about it yesterday. Yeah. Two things. One, Uh,

819
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: he was headed back to Q school. He was on

820
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: the corn Ferry Tour, the top seventy five make it

821
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: into the corn Ferry Finals. Max bertie four of the

822
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: last five holes in the last regular season event to

823
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: make the cut and keep his corner or get into

824
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: the corn Ferry Finals by like ninety dollars or something.

825
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: Then went on to get his PGA Tour card. But

826
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: as I always try to give everything back to Monday's,

827
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: he started the next tour season and played like shit.

828
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: I mean I think he had one made cut in

829
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: eight events, and it was like a T sixty was

830
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 1: at the waste management Monday. Uh, Monday qualified obviously a

831
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: good event even before was an elevated event, and finished

832
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: twenty six. Next week went to Pebble. An underreported story is, uh,

833
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: somebody on the last hole in the final group missed

834
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: a put to knock him from T eleven into two

835
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: T ten to get into next week at Tory played

836
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: well there six weeks later one. So basically what I'm

837
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: saying is every basically almost everyone's career always comes back

838
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: to a Monday qualifier one way or another. Well, and

839
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna be painful for you to see what's happened

840
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: to Patrick Reid because his whole career was built on Mondays,

841
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: Like he could have been your Corey Connors. But no, no,

842
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 1: he's not. I mean, I know it's still sad because

843
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: like he is by far the most you know, famous,

844
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: infamous uh Monday qualifier. I mean he not only Monday

845
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: qualified six times, but did well with him and then

846
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: got in a car that Sunday night or on a

847
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: plane and drove with Justine to the next one and

848
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: she caddied for him, and he'd get through again and

849
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: play well again. They did that four weeks in a

850
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: row once. That's insane. Uh, it's beyond insane. That is,

851
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: it's almost mathematically impossible. Oh well, I'd like to say,

852
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: Michael said, cue Michael's clip about cues Michael clip when

853
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,439
Speaker 1: he said, I'd like to clearly state that Patrick Reed

854
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: is a wonderful man. I would like to say this

855
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 1: about Patrick Reed if I may. Patrick Reed is the kindest, bravest, warmest,

856
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.

857
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: That was often the Manchurian candidate. Right is that where yeah,

858
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't get it then when you said it,

859
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: But back and listen to the podcasts like god, Um, yeah,

860
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour needed Maxima. Like he was always a

861
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: big figure because of his social media following, but now

862
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: that he's backing up with amazing play and obviously going

863
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: to be one of the favorites at the US Open,

864
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: he plays well in California. Uh, Like, I mean, this

865
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: came at a perfect time. There could not be you know,

866
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: Cam Smith is is super quiet and and seems to

867
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: be a good dude. Um, but like take the other

868
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: top players that live and max it could not be

869
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: more opposite, engaging, funny, uh and a stone cold killer.

870
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, the PGA Tour needed Maxima badly

871
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: and they got it. The dude is killing it and

872
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 1: at a perfect time for the PGA Tour. Oh yeah.

873
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: I tweeted this once and like ten people replied, Oh,

874
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: you just made that up. I was like, I didn't

875
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: make it up. I actually I'll never forget. I saw

876
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: on Twitter. It was as at a tournament and I

877
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: was just checking out and and it was a couple

878
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: a couple of friends on Twitter. We're talking about who

879
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: they were going to watch that day, and um, and

880
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: one of them tweeted his buddies suggested Brooks and he's like,

881
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: I don't like Brooks. He's like, let's go, let's go

882
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: watch Max Holmer or Joel Damon because I like those

883
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: guys that relate to them and I feel like I

884
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: know them. Um, that really did happen. I really did

885
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: read that. I showed screenshot it. But that was like,

886
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: this was years ago. This is the way I think.

887
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: Maybe they had one combined Victory Home and Damon and

888
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: that was a lightbulb thing, like how how much it's changed.

889
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: It was almost like the players were the gods before

890
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: and you watched them with Awe and Tigers. The quintessence

891
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 1: of that, like he was just he wasn't even really

892
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: he didn't even interact with the fans. He just gave

893
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 1: you this regal performance and you were privileged to get

894
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: to watch it. You would never know him, he would

895
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: he would never talk to him, he'd never sign autograph,

896
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: he would never say anything of note. Um, but that

897
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 1: was that was what it was. And now there's been

898
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: such a sea change where um, because you know, these

899
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: guys do podcasts and they do fun this than that,

900
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: and they have their social media presence. The most popular

901
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: players are the relatable ones. And kind of the nice

902
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 1: guys and the ones who who make their their Twitter

903
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: followers feel special, and um, it's really been like this

904
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 1: democratizing influence. And of course Home is obviously clearly um

905
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: the king of that and and just surfs on this

906
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: good will. I mean, I was out there at Torrey

907
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: Pines and people absolutely love the guy and they're they're

908
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: they're they're talking to him as he's going down the

909
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: fairway and they're shouting at him, and you know, he

910
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: gives the nad the tip of the cap like there

911
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: really is a connection that. Um. If you know, I

912
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,720
Speaker 1: came up watching Faldo and Sevy and tournaments and Tiger

913
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: and you know, Monty and these guys were they were

914
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: so glad, worrying and so remote and they gave you

915
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: an incredible golf to to enjoy and and to stand

916
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: it off. But you they were these unknowable, untouchable figures.

917
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: And it's so interesting how that's flipped to me. Anyway, Alan,

918
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: you may have picked up on this, but when Max

919
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: Homa was paired with with Tiger the first tear rounds

920
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: of the Open uh this year at at at St. Andrew's,

921
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: to me, he looked just totally distracted, Uh, knowing that

922
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: he might be playing with Tiger Woods at Tiger's Final

923
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: Open on the Old course. Uh, he just you know,

924
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: talk about not being a stone cold killer. I mean

925
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: at that moment, I don't think you for those thirty

926
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: six sols, I don't think he was. He's a fan

927
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: and there's something charming about that. You know, he's almost

928
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: like he didn't try and hide it, you know. And

929
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 1: back to Max's interview on the course. Uh, for those

930
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: that say we're PGA Tour like he's that's a percent

931
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: because of lift, not that Max is not a good

932
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: dude and wouldn't agree to it, but just in a

933
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: ations in the in the watching product, the PGA Tour

934
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 1: didn't have any reason to be innovative, like zero, they

935
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: like people watch their stuff. They didn't have any competition.

936
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: The innovations in the broadcast are to live. It's there

937
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: is no if you dispute that you're wrong, like and

938
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: like and and and the players agreeing to it. Not

939
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: that Max is not a good guy and he wouldn't

940
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: agree to it, but he knows. They know that there's competition,

941
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 1: so they're more open to do stuff like that. Knowing

942
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: that they want to get people to watch their product. Alan,

943
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: did you ever have a moment of what it would

944
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: be like to watch Phil Mickelson in the booth as

945
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: opposed to Trevor Mmelman. Uh? Yeah, I think. I think

946
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: Trevor is good. I like him, but you know, he

947
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: doesn't have Phil's needle, and he's not a star in

948
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: the way that that Phil is. And Um, I mean,

949
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: clearly it's a miss. I'll be curious if how much

950
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: will get filled into the booth like they they'd be crazy,

951
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: not too. I mean the problem is, you know, Um,

952
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: at a regular tournament, you can play in the morning

953
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: and you can go in the booth in the afternoon,

954
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: like players have done that through the years, and now

955
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: with a shotgun, he fills playing whenever everyone else is playing.

956
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: Like I think, hopefully he'll come down with a mysterious

957
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: wrist injury or something and he can just sit there

958
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: up with Charity and shoot the scenery and it would

959
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: be epic and it would help them a lot. It

960
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: would happen during the San Diego event. Bones appears and

961
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: ads and filled is not. I know, it's San Diego

962
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 1: all places, I mean, it's wild. It's these are These

963
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: are strange and and interesting times. Um, but at least

964
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: we got you know, the fall into the winter early

965
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: parts of the winter. Now not things are going gangbusters.

966
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: I mean Tori Dubai is a great double header as

967
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: far as two big time tournaments and and of course

968
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: next week Pebble beats Home game. For me, I know

969
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 1: people have feelings about the format and then there's not

970
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: a lot of stars, but just to watch those golf

971
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: courses on TV is so special and um and by

972
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: the way, Episode two of The Grind is going to

973
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: drop next week on Tuesday, and it's all set at

974
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: the at the Crosby clam Bake where one Ryan French

975
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 1: is catting for Mark Baldwin. And I watched episode a

976
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 1: bunch of times. Now it is a plus plus. It

977
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: is so well done and if you want to know

978
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: what it feels like to be inside the ropes at

979
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: a tour event, and for a guy whose entire life

980
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: can change with a few swings like this episode brings

981
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: it home with such immediacy and it is it's a

982
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: great it's a great watch. So I know a lot

983
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: of these listeners probably watched episode one and we're into

984
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: it and I can just tell you Episode two is

985
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: it takes a whole different level, and then the third

986
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: episode is is a completely different feeling. It's about Page Crawford,

987
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: who travels the the Mini tours in a van with

988
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: her girlfriend and they're like, do you remind me of

989
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: les sort some of these women I know in Big Sir,

990
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: Like they've got their their free spirits and they're they're

991
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: rock climbing and they're hiking in the hills, and there's

992
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: just a sort of ethol quality about about Page is

993
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: so winning. And if you watch that and you don't

994
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: wind up rooting for her, then um, you might be

995
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: patrick reed. But it's it's um the grind. We're really

996
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: proud of it, and it's just gonna keep coming. So

997
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: you can subscribe to the fire Pit YouTube channel and

998
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: they'll just be delivered to you. You can find it

999
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: on fire pit collected dot com. That'll be on on Tuesday,

1000
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: um the thirty one to January, so look forward to that.

1001
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: And Ryan has I mean Ryan is honously the star

1002
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: of that episode. It's so fun and um, first of all,

1003
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: the episode is amazing. Obviously I'm biased, but it is

1004
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: great insight into the pressure and the joy and the

1005
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: the ups and downs of being a golfer on the

1006
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: fringe of of this life, being good enough to play, uh,

1007
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: to be out there and not be out there, and

1008
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: the the amazing highs Saturday afternoon and amazing lows Sunday

1009
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: afternoon for us, and uh, it's just great insight. But also, uh,

1010
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: I do gain forty pounds within the episode. The first

1011
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: interviews are when I was at my best. Wait, and

1012
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: the second part of the interviews we needed to go

1013
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: back and reshoot a couple of interviews or at the Baracuta.

1014
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: And I've gained thirty pounds, so please just like, let's

1015
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 1: not talk about it, okay, I'll just I'm just getting

1016
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: it out in the open. I was skinny and in

1017
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: shape at the Baracuta. In fact, there's a line, uh

1018
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: the second hole, Michael and and Allen will have to

1019
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: help me. Second roll it. Monterrey is like, what's the

1020
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: part three? Down the hill? That's amazing the second my

1021
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: Prince of country Club four. Well, the third hole is

1022
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: a downhill. Part three? Yes, so three, So you have

1023
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: to walk up to this big hole, to this big

1024
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: t that's way up the hole, way up the hill

1025
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: and I say to Mark, and it's in the cliffs, Like,

1026
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,439
Speaker 1: thank god, I'm in shape. I would have fucking died

1027
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: on this hill and now I'm fat again. So hey,

1028
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: I just want to is it out there? Okay, let's

1029
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 1: just not bring it up. I brought it up. Let's

1030
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: please watch the video. You keeping enough? Does the does?

1031
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: The episode? One is great? I haven't watched two yet.

1032
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 1: Is there a nod in two to Steve Young's t

1033
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: shot on twelve that Mark Baldwin described for me today?

1034
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god, so is it in there? No, it's

1035
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: not particular shot, but you get a great feel for

1036
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: Steve Young. Mark, Steve Young double hit a full shot.

1037
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: I have never in my life. It's impossible. It is

1038
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 1: literally impossible. He hit it here and here and it

1039
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: went back and over his shoulder over there. It's you,

1040
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: like you try it as much as you want to

1041
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: pop it up, like he got kind of chunked it.

1042
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: But it's a full shot and he has like he's

1043
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: obviously in great shape and very athletic. He's not a

1044
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: good golfer, but like he's very athletic, and he has

1045
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: a fast swing. I don't know how you do it.

1046
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: Like it's not like if it was a very slow

1047
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: old swing like okay, I could see it. He took

1048
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: a full swing and hit the double hit. Was not

1049
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: like you know, all double hits are here here right,

1050
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,240
Speaker 1: This was like here and here he hit it back

1051
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: over his shoulder. It was a great insight into like

1052
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: it just lightened us up. We started laughing so hard

1053
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: and and and on that whole Uh. Mark said, you know,

1054
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of things in my pro career.

1055
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: I've never seen a full shot double hit. That's so great.

1056
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: I love it. That's in the director's cut that will

1057
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: be released to a later date. Anyway, all right, well, fellas,

1058
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: it's always fun. Um. We'll dedicate this episode to the

1059
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: memory of of Howard friend. Um. It was. It was

1060
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: meaningful to hear hear all that um really rich and

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Speaker 1: um and thoughtful commentary from both you guys. That I

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Speaker 1: had a little tear in my eye. So that uh.

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Speaker 1: But as always there's a little bit of lovity here

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Speaker 1: on the Fire Drill, and there's various diversions and so

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Speaker 1: this was a fun one for um for Michael Bamberger

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Speaker 1: and Ryan French. I'm Alan Schipnik. This is Fire Drill Podcast.

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Speaker 1: We'll do it again next week. Thanks for as always

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Speaker 1: for listening, and go watch the grind. I promise you're

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Speaker 1: gonna enjoy it. That's the end. A bed big and

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Speaker 1: I played to win, made a fortune, win my ship game,

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Speaker 1: and I ran the table. Never thought I could fall.

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Speaker 1: Then the winter time hit me like a cannon ball,

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Speaker 1: and now I can't shake this, losing the stream. Every

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Speaker 1: road I take is a dead hand stream. I got

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Speaker 1: thoughts in my head, can't get joy, and not to

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Speaker 1: think what I'm thinking about in my head. I can't

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Speaker 1: get him out, and not to think what I'm thinking about.

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Speaker 1: Told