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Speaker 1: All that was nasty. Writer writes the latest news and

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Speaker 1: notes from the insiders who cover the teams. Drilled by Simmons.

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on, Bring it on.

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Speaker 1: Swim the ground by Buda Baker like a torpedo. He

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Speaker 1: came flying into the backfield. Pinks Garden Nobody, here's Paul

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Speaker 1: caldc You know, really you can boil down life is

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Speaker 1: they get metaphysical philosophical here right off the top of

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground, brought you by Pacific Office Automation. You can

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Speaker 1: boil down life into two categories, the known or the unknown,

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Speaker 1: the proven or the unproven. Who's with me? Pauly Podcast,

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Speaker 1: Danny Serek, Darren Urban and As evidence thereof I present

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Speaker 1: the following known. The Cardinals absolutely dominate Andy Dalton. It

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Speaker 1: is a proven is it not, Darren? That is a

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Speaker 1: true statement. How does the record now over the last

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Speaker 1: four years, Well, that's four no. But see the thing

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Speaker 1: about Andy Dalton, oh is it's not just that they

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Speaker 1: keep beating him. It's the fact that they've beaten him.

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Speaker 1: And he started for four different teams, and somehow the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals have ended up playing him, whether it was with

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Speaker 1: the Bengals or the Cowboys or the Bears, that's rights,

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Speaker 1: and then the Saints. And in three of those cases

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Speaker 1: he was the backup quarterback and the Cardinals just happened

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Speaker 1: to be playing him when Dalton was in there because

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Speaker 1: of a starting quarterbacks injury. So in three of the

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Speaker 1: four eight threw some critical interceptions, right, yes, in three

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Speaker 1: of the four games. It goes at Dallas two years ago. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it was a disaster, Buddha Baker's first interception ever. There

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Speaker 1: hand too, I believe, I believe so. And then of

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Speaker 1: course we saw what happened with the three interceptions on

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Speaker 1: Thursday night. Danny as the Cardinals if nothing else saved

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Speaker 1: America for some bad ball, did they not? Because America

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Speaker 1: was sick of the twelve nine, the twelve seven finals

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Speaker 1: each of the last two years. They went out there

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Speaker 1: some complimentary football and put a forty burger on the board. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: defense once again played a large role in this win,

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Speaker 1: large role in getting that monkey off their back and

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Speaker 1: getting that home win for it would have been three

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty one day. So they stopped just short

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Speaker 1: of a year, which was great. But yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if they're coming from defense,

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Speaker 1: can't really complain too much. Right, You're right. They won

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Speaker 1: in primetime as well, something they did not do a

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Speaker 1: year ago. They were all in four in primetime a

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Speaker 1: were so many like like, I had somebody point out

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Speaker 1: that wanted to point out that, hey, they won in

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Speaker 1: their black uniforms, which I have alternate helmets, thought much

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Speaker 1: about to be honest, because that hadn't happened. I guess not.

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Speaker 1: I think the color really because I'm certainly not going

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Speaker 1: mean anything. Boom, Darren, check the mailbag. How many uniform

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Speaker 1: questions did you get this week? None? Really? Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna start creating an anonymous user name and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: start asking you questions just to get you riled up. Danny,

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Speaker 1: talking on this, I know. But imagine what I could

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Speaker 1: do with a faceless nameless I mean, everything she already

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Speaker 1: Let's get let's get real here on this front. No, seriously,

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Speaker 1: America didn't need to see some decent football on the

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Speaker 1: all from bad ball, and so at Lisa, Cardinals and

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Speaker 1: Saints did that on Thursday night. It was highly entertaining. Look,

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Speaker 1: background was magnificent. I mean, hashtag it can always get worse,

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Speaker 1: and it did for Andy Dalton. I mean, Danny, are

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Speaker 1: don't know that I ever did Wringling Brothers. Hello at

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Speaker 1: Veterans Memorial Coliseum. Actually, there you go. And they used

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Speaker 1: him saying he went to Michigan. That was his Also

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Speaker 1: He said he expected a twenty two miles per hour

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Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker is the only guy to hit twenty two

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Speaker 1: That's good, No, that's good. All right. Well, look here's

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Speaker 1: the deal. Cardinals get the win, and oh if you

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Speaker 1: They're tops a game out behind the Seattle Seahawks. Who

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Speaker 1: so first place Seahawks is that what you're calling them? Alphol?

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Speaker 1: able accountable the first place Seahawks, Right, now lead the

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Speaker 1: three and four going to Minnesota. As of this recording Boom,

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Speaker 1: the Vikings are five and one. They've won four straight games,

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Speaker 1: all by one score. We'll get into the faux division

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Speaker 1: leader that is the Vikings a little bit later, at

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Speaker 1: least according to years truly, we'll get into that a

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Speaker 1: little bit a little bit later. But Danny, would you

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Speaker 1: has done a good job at shutting down their key

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Speaker 1: Metcalf and it was Lockett. However, Kenneth Walker ran all

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Speaker 1: Chris Lave had what eighty eight ninety receiving arts over

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Speaker 1: then I'm like, oh, that's all there is. Cliff Kingsbury

427
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Speaker 1: did say when he left the meeting that day and

428
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Speaker 1: they all the players stayed behind, he did say he

429
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Speaker 1: thought he heard some raised voices, which was probably good

430
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Speaker 1: whenever they did it, and he was just saying, hey,

431
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Speaker 1: it's good to have these guys again being holding each

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Speaker 1: other accountable. You know, these meetings happen a lot. They're

433
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Speaker 1: definitely going to happen when you're not playing well, and

434
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Speaker 1: before the Saints game, they were definitely weren't playing well.

435
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Speaker 1: So I mean, I don't The funny thing is is when,

436
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 1: to me is the Hop saying I made sure that

437
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 1: Kyler spoke first. I mean, to me, that should be natural.

438
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 1: I think there's still it feels like there's still a

439
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 1: little bit like, hey, we got to make sure that

440
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Speaker 1: this happens. But it is what it is. I mean,

441
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Speaker 1: I know they came out and played well. We can

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Speaker 1: say how much of it was Hop. I do think

443
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Speaker 1: Hop had a big, a big impact on if, there's

444
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Speaker 1: no question about that. I also think that everybody was

445
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 1: looking for the Hop making a big impact narrative, so

446
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: it fits in nicely. So even if there's other parts

447
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 1: of it that really don't have anything to do with

448
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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. I'm not a hundred persent sure the ball

449
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: going through the receiver's hands for the Saints and into

450
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: Marco Wilson's had anything to do with Hopkins. I don't

451
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Speaker 1: know if Isaiah Simmons kind of settling down and not

452
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: trying to do too much was DeAndre Hopkins or advanced

453
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: Joseph Finally Saint just relax and just be that spy

454
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 1: got him that interception. But because of how it played out,

455
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: people like myself and I'm not gonna apologize for it.

456
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: We're gonna run with the hot made that big of

457
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Speaker 1: an impact. So we see what happens now going forward.

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Speaker 1: Does Patrick Peterson cover DeAndre Hopkins this week? You know

459
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,719
Speaker 1: we're going to see a much better defense. I mean,

460
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: the Saints weren't a very good defense. That's the other thing.

461
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Speaker 1: They had like two and a half cornerbacks and like

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Speaker 1: you know whatever, Well, yeah, they didn't have Marshawn Lattimore

463
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Speaker 1: and then they lost two other cornerback. He went out

464
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Speaker 1: like really early, right, and they already all without Paulson

465
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Speaker 1: A debo A deebo. I mean he was like considered

466
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Speaker 1: as starting caliber cornerback. He was a late scratch as well,

467
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Speaker 1: So yeah, they were really banged up in that secondary.

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Speaker 1: What's amazing on Pat pe, by the way, was what

469
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Speaker 1: his head coach said about Pat to the Dolphins game.

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Speaker 1: They went down to Miami. They gotta win. Of course,

471
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Speaker 1: they have Jail and Waddle and Tyreek Hill, who both

472
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Speaker 1: had big numbers. By the way, Jail and Waddle had

473
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Speaker 1: a half dozen for a buck twenty nine and Tyreek

474
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Speaker 1: Hill had a dozen catches for one seventy seven. But

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Speaker 1: the Vikings one, so nobody cares. Yes, and Kevin O'Connell

476
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 1: after the game set about Patrick Peterson quote. He was

477
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Speaker 1: all over the place and really kind of set the

478
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Speaker 1: tone defending two premiere wideouts all day long. He was

479
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Speaker 1: one step ahead making some critical plays. I'd like to

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Speaker 1: see what the PF grade was for that game. So

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Speaker 1: that's intriguing. Again. Once upon a time, d Hoop and

482
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: Pat P had that epic twenty seventeen Battle Royal where

483
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: they went against each other in Houston's true that was

484
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: a really good match. It was a good matchup and

485
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Speaker 1: they were both at least Pat P was was in

486
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Speaker 1: his prime. Let me see this about the players only

487
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Speaker 1: meeting though, and you know Rob Frederickson, God love Rob,

488
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: and we get into it right former Cardinals linebackers spent

489
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: a decade in the league part of our broadcast crew,

490
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: and he's always of a very strong opinion teams that

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00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: have players only meet that's the beginning of the end.

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Speaker 1: You're sunk when you get to the point of evan

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Speaker 1: players only meetings. I don't think it's that bad. I

494
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: don't think it's that dire. They happen even on winning teams, okay,

495
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Speaker 1: but usually there's a reason they're called and things aren't

496
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Speaker 1: going well. Well. Yeah, I'll say this though, if part

497
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Speaker 1: of the Cardinals slow start at two and four was

498
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: different guys making different mistakes at different times, which made

499
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Speaker 1: it hard to diagnose. Guess what that comes down to accountability?

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Speaker 1: And to me, de Hop brings accountability. He's that guy.

501
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: It comes in and you know Tom Brady was that guy.

502
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Speaker 1: And we can get all that, okay, And I know

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Speaker 1: you can't quantify with analytics, I get it. But everybody

504
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Speaker 1: you know a player in a locker room, like say,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to let that guy down, or that

506
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Speaker 1: guy's gonna hold me accountable what de Hop does with

507
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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons overtly. Maybe not to the same degree everybody,

508
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Speaker 1: but if he felt the need to call that sort

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Speaker 1: of meeting. For example, Aaron Rodgers came out earlier today

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Speaker 1: and said twenty percent of all the players run have

511
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Speaker 1: had mental errors. I perbely and based on what I've seen,

512
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Speaker 1: you know, on the sideline, what we've heard between I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you told me the Cardinals in some of these

514
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Speaker 1: games twenty percent of the offensive players run had mental errors,

515
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Speaker 1: I would not be shocked. See it's funny. I saw

516
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Speaker 1: an ex player say on Twitter after the thing, saying,

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Speaker 1: I've never been around a team. I think it was

518
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Speaker 1: Ross Tucker. I've never been on a team that had

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Speaker 1: twenty percent mental errors in a game. Okay, sure he

520
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: might be exaggerating, but let me, where's the stat on

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Speaker 1: the So if you have yards per completion? Okay, yards

522
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Speaker 1: per completion and at thirty three is Kyler Murray right now? Yeah,

523
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Speaker 1: that's probably not good. Do you know who's thirty four?

524
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Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford? Do you know who's thirty five? Aaron Rodgers?

525
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, do you know there's only thirty two

526
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Speaker 1: teams in the league. There. Jamis Winston, for example, is

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Speaker 1: number one in this category because he has such a

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Speaker 1: small sample size. Okay, so some teams. Can I get

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Speaker 1: back to something real quick? I don't know in the

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Speaker 1: middle of a note. No, I am on, Paul continue

531
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: all wrapped this real quick, because we're all glazed over ice,

532
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: glazed over with the numbers. What I'm saying is what

533
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Speaker 1: I think all three of those quarterbacks have in common

534
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: are jumbled up receiver rooms. For example, Aaron Rodgers and

535
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray had missed their number one receiver the entirety

536
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Speaker 1: of this season. You and Hollywood Brown, kay, and he

537
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: was productive, but you know there was a trickle down

538
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: effect when d hop is there, as we've talked about,

539
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of other guys in different roles

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00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: in places, and look at how the rams is struggled

541
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: about OBJ and no reliable option after Cooper Cup and

542
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: then of course we know what the Packers receiver corps about.

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Speaker 1: There it is. There's my piece. I'm just saying it.

544
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: There's my theory. My only thing is is, yes, of

545
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: course you didn't have DeAndre Hopkins, and that makes a difference.

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Speaker 1: But the plan going into the season was to have

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Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown, which you had, was to have Rondel Moore,

548
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: which you had, aj Green, which they had. Now that

549
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: probably hasn't panned out to be as productive as they

550
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: would have liked. Really, the only receiver besides Hoop you

551
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: had the injury was Tweezy, and I'm not sure that

552
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: Tweezy would have been like a very big difference maker

553
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: week after week. So that's my only point is when

554
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: you're talking about a mixtep wide receiver's room, yes they

555
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: have because of you know, things that have trickled down,

556
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: But for the most part, without Dhop, they had their

557
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: receiving room that they were planning on having. I don't

558
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Speaker 1: really really like the idea that we're going to sit

559
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Speaker 1: here and say this is if to me, if you're

560
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: going to be one of the elite quarterbacks, And of

561
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: course what goes with that is if you're going to

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Speaker 1: get paid like one of the elite quarterbacks, you don't

563
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Speaker 1: get to sit there and say, my receiving room is jumbled.

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Speaker 1: You work elevating. I mean I don't. I don't. That's

565
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Speaker 1: just not it doesn't work that way. You can't. You

566
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Speaker 1: can't get paid the money you're getting paid and then say, well,

567
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: but I don't have enough support. Tom Brady did wonders

568
00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: with lots of nameless kind of receiver situations over his career,

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Speaker 1: and you know, and and the other thing I wanted

570
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: to say, and this is the other thing that's by

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Speaker 1: the way, to make your point, Aaron Rodgers came into

572
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: the az last year on Thursday Night Football without Davante

573
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: Adams and beat an undefeated Cardinals team. That same thing

574
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: where the same interview where Aaron Rodgers said that twenty

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Speaker 1: percent mental mistakes. He also claimed that Tom Clement gave

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Speaker 1: him his who's now the quarterbacks coach or offensive coordinator

577
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: or whatever in the Packer land um. He also claimed

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Speaker 1: he gave Aaron his highest grade of the year for

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Speaker 1: that game against Washington. I watched a good chunk of

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Speaker 1: that game, and Aaron Rodgers is like parading this like

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Speaker 1: I got my highest grade. Yeah, that didn't look I mean,

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00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: that wasn't just receivers. So that's that's where I get stuck.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing is you had mentioned earlier, because

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Speaker 1: this is a pet peeve of mine where you're like

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Speaker 1: you're listening, embracing when you said, you said when it

586
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Speaker 1: when it seems to be mistakes by multiple people, it's

587
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: always mistakes by multiple people. If one or two people

588
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: are doing the wrong things, they're not playing or they're

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Speaker 1: out of the league. Well, I just wish we had

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00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: a camera to see Paul's facial action. It's not always.

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Speaker 1: I mean once by the time they had Levi Brown right,

592
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: who was making ye but false starts a season. See,

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Speaker 1: I don't I disagree with you. I think Levi Brown.

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Speaker 1: Levi Brown was never as good as he should have

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Speaker 1: been for where he was picked. But I don't think

596
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Speaker 1: Levi Brown was as bad as everybody thought he was.

597
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: He just never lived up to the expectations. He certainly

598
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: wasn't an elite left tackle. But you cut your I

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Speaker 1: mean at one point they released him and then brought

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Speaker 1: him back. I mean, if they thought he was that terrible,

601
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Speaker 1: they wouldn't have kept them. Well, like think of the

602
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: Cardinals offense before Rodney Hudson in what a liability center was.

603
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes it is just one guy or one position.

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Speaker 1: It's not you know, I'm just saying too often from

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Speaker 1: my observations, it had been akin to preseason, where there's

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Speaker 1: different guys making different stakes different times. And I'll see

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Speaker 1: this and look, I'll just say it. I think the

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Speaker 1: reason that a certain receiver didn't get a single snap

609
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: was because of that, because of the some of the

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Speaker 1: mental errors. And that's and I'm not and again that

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00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: that's the kind of thing. And for me, if you're

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Speaker 1: talking about like you go back to the old center

613
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: thing and so if they were struggling much of the

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Speaker 1: time because they just didn't have a center and everything

615
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: else was working, then obviously that's that's an issue with

616
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: the front office because you should have fixed it. Entering two.

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00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: More importantly, to me, if you've got one position out

618
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: of eleven that's subpar, that says something not good about

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Speaker 1: the rest of your offensive talent. If you can't make

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Speaker 1: up for that one person. That's that's my feeling. It

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Speaker 1: goes back to what I feel about the quarterback. If

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Speaker 1: you are an elite, superstar quarterback, you need to make

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Speaker 1: some of these receivers better than they are now. If

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Speaker 1: they're all making mistakes. Okay, I get that, but I

625
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: don't I don't know about that. Well, not every player

626
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: can be you know, Benjamin, there's my segue. How about

627
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: that Danny. Not every player can go out there, and

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00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: he's just laughing at me right now, be buttoned up

629
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: in your playbook and be the try hard guy. Wolf

630
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: raving on the air about the desperation with which you know,

631
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: Benjamin runs. I think we would all agree with that.

632
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: I mean, how many spin moose did you used to

633
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: break that tackle and get a couple extra yards and

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00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: keep the legs churning? All for a guy. By the way,

635
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Speaker 1: I got to laugh out of Cliff Kingsbury on his

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Speaker 1: TV show this week. Here's the deal, because a few

637
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Speaker 1: weeks ago at you know, on the Big Red Rage,

638
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: and I asked him, true or false once upon a

639
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: time early in your career you were in Cliff Kingsbury's

640
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: doghouse And you know's answer? He smiled and he said, well,

641
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I'll just tell you I

642
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: wasn't where I needed to be. And so I conveyed

643
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: that question to Cliff on the TV show True or

644
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: False Once upon a Tire on air and I said,

645
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: I said, I asked, you know, if he was in

646
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: your doghouse once upon a time true or falls? And

647
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: Cliff actually gave a hearty laugh about that, and He

648
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: said that they had a big time hard to heart

649
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: his rookie year, and he let him know that his

650
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: career was hanging in the balance and that you know

651
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: has since made the necessary adjustments, etc. So anyway, I mean,

652
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: at this point, I don't know if we're expecting James

653
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: Connor back after the extended weekend or not against Minnesota.

654
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: But Danny, what would your running back rotation look like

655
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: these days? I would probably sprinkle in more, you know,

656
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: Benjamin with James Connor. I think that there is now

657
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: the question of you know, on the depth chart at

658
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 1: the beginning of the season, Connor was RB one, and

659
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: then Darryl Williams and Nino Benjamin were both listed as

660
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: RB two. I'm not sure that and maybe that's not

661
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: fair to Darryl who hasn't played in what two games

662
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: with a knee yep, two games. Maybe that's not fair.

663
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: But maybe that's just the way the cookie crumbles. Of

664
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: when you come back. If Eno is riding high, you

665
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: keep you keep using Eno when you use him more

666
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: than you were before. If I would have used the

667
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: phrase cookie crumbles, if that's the way the cookie crumbles,

668
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: you would have given me some kind of like man,

669
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: that's something my dad would say. It is something my

670
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: dad would say, But I said it. Why can't both

671
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: be true, Darren, because you would have used it as

672
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: a hurtful You are getting upset with me over a

673
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: hypothetical situation. I'm gonna save you guys with a stat

674
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: Did you see this one? Because Cliff actually was not

675
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: aware that under his head coaching tenures since twenty nineteen,

676
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: the Cardinals now have forty one games with one hundred

677
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: plus rushing yards as a team, and the only teams

678
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: with more since twenty nineteen Baltimore, of course, and Philadelphia.

679
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: Think about that, forty one games, You've gone over one

680
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: hundred rushing yards as a team, and only two other

681
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: teams have more one hundred yard rushing games than the Cardinals. So,

682
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: and in close response in that by the way, it

683
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: was air raid baby. He loves, he loves, Yeah, he loves.

684
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: They're sort of the reverse psycho ology, sort of the

685
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 1: snark on that one says he doesn't read or listen

686
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: to anything. They all say that, Danny, they all say that.

687
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: So the Cardinals ran at twenty nine times, which is

688
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: unfortunate because I think there's some stat where they will

689
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: run it thirty times over the last couple of years

690
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 1: they're undefeated, but they ran at twenty nine times. Of course,

691
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: that includes one kneel down. You get rid of the

692
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: kneel down and it's almost exactly five yards to carry.

693
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: So now you go into Minnesota and you're like, all right,

694
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do here against the Vikings team

695
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: that is five to one and, by the way, a

696
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: Vikings team that didn't exactly dominate the QB combination of

697
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: Skyler Thompson the rookie and Teddy Bridgewater replacing to a

698
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: Tonga Vado. So right, So, I mean, everyone's righting home

699
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: about this big win at Miami by Minnesota. But let's

700
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: not forget they were starting a third string rookie quarterback

701
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins in that game. Am I wrong here, folks?

702
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think you're wrong. I mean, look,

703
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: you don't apologize for being five and one, and they

704
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: have won those games. But I you know again, I don't.

705
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's sitting there going, oh my god,

706
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: the Vikings are going to rampage to the Super Bowl. No.

707
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: But I also think too of when the Eagles came

708
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: in right, it was. Oh, but look at the teams

709
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: they beat and they have continued to ride high. So

710
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: I while I don't necessarily disagree with you on some

711
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: of the teams that Minnesota has beat, I mean there's

712
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: still five and one where we're gonna go parcels here. Paul, Okay,

713
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: you are what your record says you are. You kind

714
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: of sounded like Sean Miller, the former U of A

715
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: basketball coach. I'll not ever ever say that again. I

716
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: don't need that kind of insult. I say it again

717
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: so I know how to insult you. Anything about you

718
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: of a hoops he'll take personally. That's why I brought

719
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: it up when they got bounced in like the you know,

720
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: sweet sixteen or something, and he said, I'm not gonna

721
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: apologize for going thirty five and four not making the

722
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: final four, and he went into the whole ram, I'm

723
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: not gonna apologize for doing this great, you know, splendicular

724
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: thing and that thing and all this. My question is

725
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell with the Vikings the new head coach, to

726
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: what degree is this going to be like playing the

727
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: Ramps Because he comes from the Sean McVeigh tree. That's

728
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: a good question, and he's already institute as Collins about that. Yeah,

729
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: and I didn't get much out of that. Here's the

730
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: deal though, supposedly thanks for reminding me that I was

731
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: an epic fail on that question and answer from Zavin

732
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: Collins and yours truly, Paul Pencilneck. Kevin O'Connell has implem

733
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: reading here, has implemented a program called Situational Masters. One

734
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: of many aspects copied from Sean McVeagh when he was

735
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: with the Rams, and the quote is it comes down

736
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: to those margins and how can we be good on

737
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 1: some plays and situations. And maybe you don't always get

738
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: talked about on Monday morning, but they're winning plays and

739
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: winning philosophies for us. So for example, i'll give here,

740
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: here's the thing that's a little confusing, because remember the

741
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: Cardinals beat the Vikings last year in Week two, and

742
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: most would say the Vikings beat the Vikings. So when

743
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: they got rid of Mike Zimmer, there was a lot

744
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: of attention to the little things that become big things

745
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: in these quote winning margins in NFL games, for example,

746
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: they have a plus thirty three point differential and the

747
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: final four minutes of either half, and that is relevant.

748
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: Not only is the best in the NFL, but last

749
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: year they were dead last in that category at negative

750
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: seventy three points at the end of a half. I

751
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: would love to know what the Cardinals is. I don't

752
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: great question this year. I don't have that in front

753
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: of me. I don't know. But remember BA was a

754
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: big proponent of that. Yeah, points at the end of

755
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: the half, especially you know the first half. It just

756
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: to see that was Darren has his pet peeves, Bruce

757
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: arians had his and that was one of them. Put

758
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: it that way. Speaking of the Vikings, ladies and gentlemen,

759
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: did you know that this? And I saw this this

760
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: week and I was blown away by this. Here we go.

761
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: Do you know the Cardinals have never won in Minnesota

762
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 1: since moving to Arizona. Come on, no, They've played their

763
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 1: ten times, including the playoff game after the ninety eight season,

764
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: and have lost every single time. The last time this

765
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: franchise won in Minnesota, which is another weird part of this,

766
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: was nineteen seventy seven. I can't believe that the Cardinals

767
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: are and the Vikings have both been in the NFC

768
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: the whole time and didn't play in Minnesota. Anytime between

769
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: seventy seven and ninety one, which is true. But they moved.

770
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: This team moved to Arizona in eighty eight. They played

771
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 1: in Minnesota for the first time in ninety one. They've

772
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: played there ten times and have not won any of

773
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 1: those games. So what do you remember about that game

774
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: in seventy seven? Wow, here we go. You are just

775
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: that is not right. Well, if you want, Darren will

776
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: find his postgame interview with Bud Grant, the Vikings coach

777
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: at the time, in the fran Tarkington and Alan Page

778
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: and the Purple People leaders. Well go there. Um, what's

779
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: amazing is there was rude. There was a stretch midway

780
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: through Larry Fitzgerald's career where we used to get fits

781
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: a hard time because seemingly the Cardinals are going to

782
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: Minnesota every other year, And I'm like, fits, are you

783
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: talking to Roger Goodell and you know, getting getting a

784
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: trip home every other year? Played there in twenty ten,

785
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: twenty eleven, and twenty twelve. Yes, there you go. I

786
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: mean it lost them all, lost them all. Well, obviously

787
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: that's unfits, that's und Larry. There's something I don't know.

788
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: I just couldn't perform when he was back. Well, actually

789
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: he had a really good game the two thousand and

790
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: six game that they lost, and Matt Liner threw for

791
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: four hundred yards and a Quan and Fits both had

792
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: huge games and they still lost, and then Edgren didn't

793
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: take the plane ride home. The ninety eight playoff game,

794
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: by the way, was the coldest I'd ever been anywhere,

795
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: because it was twenty below with the windshill. That's outside nineteen.

796
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: I would have quit the game was inside, so oh, okay,

797
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 1: then I would have continued my job. But Danny checked

798
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: this out right, So it's a TV news right bonehead

799
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: at the time, Okay, So I was working for the

800
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: local channel five, and we went outside the Metrodome and

801
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: it was twenty below with the windshill, And of course

802
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: there's somebody at the news assignment desk and sunny Phoenix, Arizona,

803
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: and they're on the line there a gee, So why

804
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: don't you go over there and get some video if

805
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: I ever want tailgating? Pretty good idea. It's pretty hilarious.

806
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: They're all in their snowmobile suits and they're tailgating. It's

807
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: twenty below. We made it across the street and Ricky

808
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: bow grand love your Ricky be Phoenix Native, and he

809
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: was the photographer and we got across the street. I'm

810
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: not gonna make it. I'm not gonna make it. He's

811
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: shivering and he's ready to pass out from the cold

812
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: in the twenty below windshill, And he turned around and

813
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: went back in the Metrodo was he wearing shorts? And

814
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: so I called the news room. I said, yeah, it's

815
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: sort of like that that from the Hangover where Bradley

816
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: Cooper says, you know about the wedding. Yeah, that's not

817
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: gonna happen. That was me to the newsroom. That's not

818
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: gonna happen because our photographer can make it the quarter

819
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: mile across the street in twenty below. I was already

820
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 1: in the big time at that point in the nineteen

821
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: ninety eight NFL season, I was still covering high school

822
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: high schools. See was I Oh, no, I guess I

823
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: was to say you were in high school. I was like, okay,

824
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 1: that's a lie detector. No, no, all right, So uh yeah.

825
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 1: As for by the way, I tell you, I actually

826
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: name Drop actually did say hello to Tyron Matthew after

827
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: the game, So you know, it's as good and now Yeah,

828
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: he's all good, and so we're going to see Pat

829
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: p this time around. Here's my question on the Cardinals.

830
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: How close are they to playing truly meaningful winning football,

831
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: Because there are certain areas you look. They're playing winning football. Right.

832
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: They're not turning the ball over. We're tied for fewest

833
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: turnovers in the NFL with five. They're not commuting a

834
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: lot of penalties. For example, New Orleans came in leading

835
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: the actually, Seattle the Week four came in leading the

836
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,439
Speaker 1: league in penalties. Somehow the Seahawks stinking the first play.

837
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: Seahawks actually still ended up winning that game. But there

838
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: are certain aspects where the Cardinals are dialed in. Danny Would,

839
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 1: I would disagree with that. I think they are playing,

840
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: to a certain extent, winning football. I just don't think

841
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: it's sustainable. I think in the games that they have won,

842
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 1: when you look at Kyler Murray having to throw fifty

843
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: seven passes, or you look at this team having to

844
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 1: come back a twenty point deficit, having to come back

845
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: every single game, you're having to rely on your defense

846
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: to have three turn verse fourteen points on the board.

847
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: That's great and that can be winning football. Many weeks

848
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: in the NFL, but it's not sustainable and that's not

849
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: going to allow this team to have that success based

850
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: on themselves. That's having to rely a lot, I think

851
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: on the opponent that you're playing. I think offensively, I

852
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,959
Speaker 1: don't know if it's chemistry. I don't know if it's

853
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: play calling. I don't know if it's communication execution, but

854
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: but something is really really not clicking with Kyler Murray

855
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: and his receivers. And I say that as a whole.

856
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: I mean, we've we saw d Hop for one game,

857
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: and of course d Hop is d Hop, but it

858
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: still feels really inconsistent. Well, even with d Hop, there

859
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: was a definitely a couple of passes that didn't come

860
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: to fruition, or even that one on the sideline where

861
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: everybody kind of oudnied where d Hop went and then

862
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: literally as he turned around, the ball was like on

863
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: him and somehow he hung onto it. I mean, it's

864
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: that that's not all the way there either, and I

865
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: think some of that is still on Kyler Murray with

866
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: the accuracy it it doesn't feel like things are smooth,

867
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: and I feel like this far into the season things

868
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: should be clicking more than it appears that they are.

869
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe Robbie Anderson not again, not the end, I'll

870
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: be all solution, but without having Hollywood, maybe that's going

871
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: to make a difference this week. We'll have to wait

872
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: and see. But I just that's what really sticks out

873
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: to me, was there just doesn't feel like a lot

874
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: of cohesiveness between Kyler Murray and his receivers. Can I

875
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: add accuracy to that list? Absolutely? Kyler's accuracy has not

876
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: been what it once was. His completion percentage is right

877
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: there with his rookie year. It is definitely regressed. And

878
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: what did Kyler say? It is locker in Seattle, because

879
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: we're all there that this bleep feels hard right now,

880
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: meaning the offense overall moving the football, it feels hard.

881
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: It hasn't felt like this since my rookie year. There

882
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: are some parallels, and last year, with all the adversity

883
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: of the offensive line, he didn't have a ton of

884
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: time in the pocket. I feel like he's even with

885
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: already having some adversity of the offensive line, this year,

886
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: I feel like he's had enough time in the pocket

887
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: that wouldn't necessarily affect. You know, you're moving so quickly,

888
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 1: your accuracy's affected. Anything like that the release two sacks

889
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: on Thursday night, where I think everyone would agree he

890
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: should have gotten rid of the ball at least two

891
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: sacks where everyone said, you got get rid of that

892
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: after four seconds. You have to get rid of that ball.

893
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: It's got to go to someone somewhere, or you just

894
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: got to throw it out of bounds, get outside the

895
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 1: pocket and make sure you don't take the intentional grounding.

896
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: But yeah, the rhythm isn't there, the one, two, three

897
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: steps and the balls out to the right place, you know,

898
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: and so for whatever. And then when there are open receivers,

899
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: too often they have been missed, whether it's thrown off

900
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: the back foot. He look, we're all I'm getting over

901
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: my skis when I'm analyzing QB mechanics. But for whatever reason,

902
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: there have been open receivers that have been missed with

903
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: more frequency than in seasons past. I had just the

904
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 1: eyeball test says that, well, for me, there's no question

905
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: that he's missed. The other thing, too, is I keep

906
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: thinking of the underthrown deep passes, which don't seem to

907
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,439
Speaker 1: be an issue before. So I don't know, there's no doubt.

908
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: I think there was a stat after three years in

909
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: the NFL, he had the best deep ball percentage and

910
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: accuracy according to the analytics of anyone in the league

911
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: and so and that definitely has not been the case

912
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: this year. So when you say is it sustainable, Danny,

913
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: I think that's that's a valid question. So there was

914
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: room to improve by everyone, including the quarterback. What's interesting

915
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: is I've had it down to ask the last couple

916
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: of games and just having gotten around dude in the

917
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: postgame interview. But I think it is a valid question.

918
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: If Cliff Kingsbury has asked about the accuracy of Kyler

919
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: Murrain and what he thinks of it, how he would

920
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: assess it so far this season. Curious what his answer

921
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: would be. It probably a non answer. I will ask

922
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: him to in his next press counts there you go,

923
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: or you get a one on one interview with him

924
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: after every game for the radio. I know that's what

925
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: I added down. And then he took another dig at

926
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: Wolf and a kind of way I didn't really fit

927
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: at the end there. Sometimes you just got a roll. Yeah. Yeah,

928
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: So I did ask him about you know, Samon Collins,

929
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons. So he's bullish on those two guys. But

930
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you know what's not And I

931
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: agree with Jim Mhandro on this, our fine producer. The

932
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: Antonio Hamilton interception, it's not getting enough play. That was

933
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: a huge moment, huge in the end zone, kept him

934
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: off the board, changed the tie, could have would have

935
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: been fourteen three late first quarter. That was a big

936
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: deal and a big interception. And then he kept the

937
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: ball and he came all the way down the sideline

938
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: and gave it to his wife in the front row

939
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: of the stands. That was a really poignant moment, not

940
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: just how impactful it was in the game, but just

941
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: in terms of one off moments on the season. That's

942
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: a memorable moment. I mean, I love the whole Antonio

943
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: Hamilton's story. He came and talked to us a couple

944
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: of weeks ago about the whole thing, about how he

945
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: got burned and how he kind of sees it because

946
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: he's such a man of faith that he sees it

947
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: as a plan that he was kind of destined to

948
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: go through this and he went to a burn unit.

949
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: And you know, I think, I just it is a

950
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: great story. I mean, Antonio Hamilton is a great story. Anyways,

951
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: even before all the injury happened, the fact, I mean

952
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: that was his first NFL interception. He's been in the

953
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: league for six years. I did not know that until

954
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: after the game, so I just you know. And another reason, look,

955
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: I know everybody got every all up at e because

956
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: last year that the Cardinals let Russel Douglas go on

957
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: the practice squad and he ended up going to the

958
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: Packers and playing really well. Well the reason they let

959
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: Russel Douglas go was because Antonio. They felt Antonio Hamilton

960
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: was playing better than him, and they were both on

961
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: the practice squad at the beginning of the year and

962
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: they picked Antonio Hamilton. So I'm glad that he's having

963
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: that kind of success. And it is funny that the

964
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: celebration about going to his wife fantastic. I mean, when

965
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: he was doing his press conference, he his wife tr

966
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: He kept saying over and over how she was the

967
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: only reason he got through the whole thing, and he

968
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: basically she did everything for him because he couldn't move

969
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: around and he couldn't be more thankful for everything she did.

970
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 1: So that was cool. It wasn't direct, and there's nothing

971
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: wrong with this either. I'm not saying there's anything wrong

972
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: with it, but I just felt so weird. Contrasting what

973
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: Antonia Hamilton did. You see what Isaiah Simmons did after

974
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: he scored. When he scored the touchdown, all his teammates

975
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: want to come over and swarm him, and he stiffed

976
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: arm at least two of them, making sure that he

977
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: had enough room to do whatever celebration he was trying

978
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: to do, whatever dance he was trying to do. But

979
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: guys were coming over and trying to hug him and stuff,

980
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: and He's like, get out of there, get away from me,

981
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: get away. It was just funny. By the way. Speaking

982
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: of former Cardinals, Jordan Hicks, I've heard of him runs

983
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: the defense for the Vikings. Does he have a competitive

984
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: advantage against his former quarterback? What does Jordan Hicks know

985
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 1: about what sort of game plan should go in against

986
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray? Why do I have a feeling that after

987
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: the game we might be sighting not only the play,

988
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: but the mind of Jordan Hicks and what other whatever

989
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: defensive effort the Vikings spring forth. Absolutely he has some

990
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: sort of advantage. For how many years he practiced against

991
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. The question is can you execute and actually

992
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: put that mental advantage you have onto the field. I

993
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: mean you have to remember too, I mean the offense

994
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: has gone up against Jordan Hicks. I do think it'll

995
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: be interesting because the clear storyline after the game is

996
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 1: going to be looking at Jordan Hicks and Damon Collins. Probably, yeah,

997
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: unless unless Hop and P two give us something. So

998
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: as I'm looking here just to make sure the Yeah,

999
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: the I mean the Jordan Hicks. He is the starting

1000
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: Mike linebacker. Correct for the Vikings, he's starting. I don't, Yeah,

1001
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's mine. Yeah, But I mean here's the

1002
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: other thing about the Vikings, and this is actually is

1003
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: a bigger concern to me, is Djampre. He's always speaks of.

1004
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: Daniel Hunter is maybe the most underrated pass rush in

1005
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: the league. Daniel Hunter has had big games against the

1006
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: Cardinals in the past. And now they've added Zadarius Smith. Yeah,

1007
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: he's and the middle linebacker Kendricks hem aeria lawyer alongside

1008
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: er Jordan Hicks. I mean that that guy's a dude.

1009
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: He is a player. So we'll see, we'll see exactly

1010
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: what the Cardinals have in store. It is an early

1011
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: game as well. Correct, Yes, you're gonna have to get

1012
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: out of bed a little bit earlier there, Paul. All right,

1013
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: we did in Seattle for the Cardinals folk tales. We

1014
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: had to get out there early and navigate all the

1015
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: sound checks. By the way, you are fantabulous job. If

1016
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: you have not seen the folk tale Stanton Shuffle episode

1017
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: that was made by well by Kyle Deroni, but it

1018
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: was improved by the great Paul Calvici's acting talents. Very

1019
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: very impressed. Paul. They hand me the script and they

1020
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: just said, go, don't screw it up. So that was

1021
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: that was the plan right there, natural and they almost

1022
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: they almost holes does Seattle. They rehearsed their halftime show

1023
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: about seventeen times. Oh we heard it every time on

1024
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: the radio and pregame yep. So oh yeah, that's right

1025
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: because you guys were doing there. Yeah, we were watching

1026
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 1: you from the radio booth. That's right, Jam. So that well, okay,

1027
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: So that was a that was pre game in Seattle.

1028
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: Now by the end of the game on Thursday night,

1029
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: we'll leave it with this. Where were you when you

1030
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: got news the Niners that traded for Christian McCaffrey. Are

1031
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: you kidding? So now the Cardinals, Cardinals have to play

1032
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:33,439
Speaker 1: him three times correct tentatively doesn't get hurt. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah,

1033
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: which is a big f Yes, I know based on

1034
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: the track. Very Yeah, it's very interesting trade. They gave

1035
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: up what was it two first rounds? No, no first round,

1036
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: first second, No, no first rounds. It was they don't

1037
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: have any left after the trade trade. I think it

1038
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: was a couple of second day seconds next year. No,

1039
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was multiple picks. It was

1040
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: a big package. Um, they're kind of pushing their chips in.

1041
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I'll be on it. I've seen

1042
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: trades that have bothered me more from the Cardinals perspective

1043
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: than this one. And I'm not trying to say that

1044
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey isn't a very good player and he's going

1045
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: to be better in that offense than he was going

1046
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: to be with the Panthers. But I also know the

1047
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: Cardinals basically made sure that Chris McCaffrey didn't hurt them

1048
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: this year. And you know when when Jalen Ramsey went

1049
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: to the Rams, that wasn't uh oh, yeah, this is

1050
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: I'm definitely, with all due respect to all of the

1051
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 1: fine running backs on this roster or across the league. Paul,

1052
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: I'm just not a fan of paying big money to

1053
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: a running back anymore because I think you can get

1054
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: a lot of the same things out of a bunch

1055
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: of different guys. Like we're back in February hearing you

1056
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: say that. Sorry, I'll tell you what the bigger headache

1057
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Speaker 1: I think in the division and running back is Kenneth Walker.

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Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker looks for what seems like what could be

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Speaker 1: for a long time. Yeah, well it's at least four years,

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Speaker 1: and that is a long time in the NFL. Now,

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Speaker 1: whether the Seahawks end up paying him big money if

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Speaker 1: he has four big years and then let him on,

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Speaker 1: I mean again, that's what that's what we're all. The

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Speaker 1: reason Kenneth Walker is so awesome is because he's doing

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Speaker 1: it right out of the box and they've got some

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Speaker 1: time where they don't have to pay him any money. Now,

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Speaker 1: if he has two giant years, three giant years, it

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Speaker 1: would have to be and then they're and then he's

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Speaker 1: probably gonna be demanding an extension, and then what do

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Speaker 1: you do? And there was just living the moment, Darren

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Speaker 1: going into that. In the moment, it's always about the future,

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Speaker 1: going into the Seattle game. Here was here was the

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Speaker 1: stat on Kenneth Walker that it was amazing. I've never

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Speaker 1: seen this before. He led all Division one running backs

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Speaker 1: in Michigan State and yards after contact and miss tackles.

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Speaker 1: Think about that. He's got the strength and the power

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Speaker 1: yards after contact, but he also has the ability to

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Speaker 1: make guys miss and both were number one among college

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Speaker 1: running backs against the Cardinals. Oh yeah he was. He

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Speaker 1: was running over dudes, he's running around dudes. He's making

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Speaker 1: guys miss and yet finishing speed everything. And yet the Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: if they play better offensively, winning game. Yeah. So, I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's that's the thing anymore. I mean the thing about

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Speaker 1: running backs for me now, and this goes to CMC.

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Speaker 1: If you play running back heavy, you're playing a lower

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Speaker 1: scoring game, which if you're playing in a lower scoring game,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to put teams away. So that means the

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Speaker 1: team you might be better then is still within striking distance.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's a tough way to play. And look,

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Speaker 1: you could have Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, and Walter Payton

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Speaker 1: in your back backfield. But if Jimmy Gee's throwing interceptions

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Speaker 1: like you did at the end of the first half

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Speaker 1: in the end zone. No chance, and we'll leave it

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