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Speaker 1: for you. This it's the Pack twelve Apostles and only

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Speaker 1: the truth lives here. Twelve Apostles Apostles. It is almost

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Speaker 1: time for the season. Next week in PAC twelve play

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Speaker 1: kicks off. But before all that, we have an interview

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Speaker 1: with Chip Kelly, head coach of the u c l A.

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Speaker 1: Bruins UM Pack twelve. Vaccination rates are notable and it

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Speaker 1: applies to even one head coach, Mr Nick Rolovich, who's

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Speaker 1: not vaccinated. But the Governor of Washington says not not power.

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Speaker 1: It's got to happen. UM recruiting in the PAC twelve

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Speaker 1: is up for some people, down for some people. We

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Speaker 1: will take a deep dive into Washington, Arizona and a

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Speaker 1: couple of other teams, and a new segment today, Hot

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Speaker 1: Streak er Hot Seat. What does success look like for

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Speaker 1: coaches in the Pack twelve this season. I'm George Rice Stir,

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Speaker 1: He's Ralph Amason and this is the Pack twelve Apostles.

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Speaker 1: The Pack twelve Apostles podcast is the podcast Bipack twelve Fans,

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Speaker 1: four Pack twelve fans, where we keep it one hundred

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Speaker 1: all the time, No sugarcoat it, no bias, We just

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Speaker 1: tell you the truth. So Ralph with you know, nine

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Speaker 1: How excited are you, like from a scale of one intent, Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think most people that are doing shows

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Speaker 1: think you know, when they show up, they go over

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Speaker 1: you and I are on the phone for forty five

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Speaker 1: minutes every single day arguing about different Pack twelve stuff,

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Speaker 1: just so that we can record one hour and a

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Speaker 1: this stuff. We're talking about it all the time. The

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Speaker 1: storylines in the Pack twelve this year, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: and then the out of conference schedule and just having

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Speaker 1: I'm going to adjust to doing some of this Pack

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Speaker 1: twelve stuff on East Coast time. Yeah. Right, that's gonna

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Speaker 1: can't do that. Um. But so here we are, right now,

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Speaker 1: let's just take what I know. I know the state

433
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Speaker 1: of Arizona, right, so, currently of all reported infections which

434
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: comes out to be about one in seven are of

435
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: people who are fully vaccinated. So if only one in

436
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Speaker 1: seven new infections is coming from somebody who's fully vaccinated,

437
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: would that, to you, George, not be overwhelming data that

438
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Speaker 1: that the vaccine is working or at least covering up

439
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: the symptoms to the point where someone wouldn't even be

440
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: motivated to go get a test. Yes. And but I

441
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: think that people that they look at it when people

442
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: who are vaccinated get it, that they turn around and say, oh,

443
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: well see, look even vaccinated people can't can't get it,

444
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: and not thinking about how many times they don't get

445
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: it after they were exposed. Right, But if you were

446
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: six times flecked a thousand arrows and one arrow hits you,

447
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: then they're like, ha, that suit of armor does not work. Right.

448
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: But it's just if you were six times more likely

449
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: to get kicked in the dick for wearing a green shirt,

450
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: you probably it's not like the green shirts in the

451
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: dick kicking zone, right, exactly exactly, So we got Nick

452
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: Rolovich out here trying to wear a green shirt and

453
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: in the dick kicking zone. And I don't understand the

454
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: logic of that. And less again, this is very important.

455
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: We have to keep reiterating this unless his personal doctor

456
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: told him not to get vaccinated, in which we're in

457
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: a really messy situation where the governor of the state,

458
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: who is I'm sure very aware who the highest paid

459
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: employee is in the state, and the second highest paid

460
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: employee is in the state, where the governor is basically

461
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: like trying to at least get him to reveal his reasoning. Yeah,

462
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: I feel like that's where they're really trying to force

463
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: his hand because if then if he goes and gets vaccinated,

464
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: then how everybody's gonna interpret it is, Oh, it didn't

465
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: really matter to him all that much anyway, but it

466
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: could have mattered a whole lot. It might just not

467
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Speaker 1: have mattered three million dollars a year a lot. There's

468
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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that matters to me a great

469
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: deal that would not matter as much if three million

470
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: dollars a year was on the line. You are right

471
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: about that, dude. Three million dollars will change your convictions

472
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: about a bunch of things. It'll make you think two,

473
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: three or four times. You you're like, you'll start justifying,

474
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: like um am, I sure, ah, it'll it'll It'll be

475
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: all right, but just remember, just think about it, like

476
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: he'll forgive me. There was a week. There was a

477
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: week where we did a show. We were like, man,

478
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: Mel Tucker is really committed to the University of Colorado,

479
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: and then Michigan State came in and they're like, what

480
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: about seven point five million a year for your assistance alone?

481
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: And he was like, it's been fun. Guys like, hey, hey, yo, Colorado.

482
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: You know I love you. Yeah, So let's just let's

483
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: let's hope that this vaccine essentially plays the Michigan State role.

484
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: If Nick Rolovich is is Meil Tucker in this metaphor? Yea?

485
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: All right. The next thing up, I had an opportunity

486
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: to interview Chip Kelly this this week and he was

487
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: absolutely forthcoming. He was you know, I really liked it.

488
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: So here's the interview. Hopefully you guys enjoy it. And

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Speaker 1: now we're joined by the head coach of u c

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Speaker 1: l A Football, the Bruins, Mr Chip Kelly, coach. Thanks

491
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: for coming on the show. Thanks for having me, George.

492
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: All right, first thing is every time I have a

493
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Speaker 1: coach on the show, my first question to them is

494
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: how should you be addressed as should in the media

495
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: should we address you as coach, should we address you

496
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: as chip whatever, because there's been a bunch of coaches

497
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: that have had have taken objection to how they've been addressed. Yeah,

498
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: I really don't care. As long as somebody tells my name,

499
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: I'm happy whatever. I don't. I don't get caught up

500
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: in that part. So UM, well that's good. Well, I'm

501
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: happy to see you in in Brewing Colors because my

502
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: wife is the u c. L A grad and we

503
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: have season tickets there even even though even though I'm

504
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: a duck. But it um. But this year in particular,

505
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: you guys have gone undergone a big change in going

506
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: from under Armour over to Jordan's brand. And people wouldn't

507
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: think that that would be a big deal on its surface,

508
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: but to recruits, that's a huge deal. How has that

509
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: impacted you know, you're recruiting so far? Well, it's sins

510
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: impacted it because of the product that the Jordan brand has.

511
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: UM obviously tied with Nike. UM. You know, really, I

512
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: think it's the best um sports footwear and affarel company

513
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: out there. When we were excited, you know, I have

514
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: been with Nike before, and the fact that we're back

515
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: to them now, Um, you know has an appeal and

516
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: and that brand. You know, you could just see the

517
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: the silhouette of the Jordan branding and you know what

518
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: you're getting into. So when I know our players love it,

519
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: they love the shoes. Um. We officially started, I think

520
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: right at the beginning of July, so for our summer workouts,

521
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: our guys were all in Jordan's gear and um, the

522
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: players we have seemed really excited about it, and recruits

523
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: seemed really excited about it. Yeah, and recruiting over the

524
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: last you know, eighteen months has been unlike anything any

525
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: coach has ever experienced. What has it been like for

526
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: you at u c l A dealing with things in

527
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: the pandemic, the regulations of the UC system in California

528
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: and all that. It was interesting for all of us.

529
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: I mean, um, I think it was March thirteenth or

530
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: March Friday. March thirteenth were really the n c A shutdown,

531
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, and we were on a dead period in

532
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: all sports from the thirteenth of March and two June one. Um,

533
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: and that opened the window back up for visits. So

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00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: everything we did from March thirteenth until June one Um

535
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: was all over zoom or FaceTime or phone calls or

536
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: text messages, so none of it was in person. You know,

537
00:32:55,120 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: our class that we signed in December of twenty UM,

538
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: some of them enrolled early, but eleven of them showed

539
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: up here on June one, and it was really the

540
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: first time for most of those guys that we had

541
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: ever seen him face to face because everything was just

542
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: for the last eighteen months had been done online. So

543
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: it was it was unique. UM. You know, I think

544
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: the technology part helped everybody. UM, but it was different.

545
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: You know, usually you want to see kids in person,

546
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: you want to see him practice, um, maybe play another sport.

547
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: You know what it was like when you're when you're

548
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: getting recruited is if the kids a basketball platy, you

549
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: want to watch and playing the basketball court, or or

550
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: see him at a track meet. Um, but all those

551
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: things are out the window, or just see him at

552
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: a camp. You know. The whole camp circuit was off

553
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: that that in the year of twenty and we weren't

554
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: allowed to go to camps and see any kids either,

555
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: so UM, it was all done off the film. UM.

556
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: A lot of schools played, but there are some high

557
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: schools you know, New Mexico, Hawaii, some of those because

558
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: they didn't play football, so you don't have any tape

559
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,959
Speaker 1: from a kid after a sophomore year, so you try

560
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: to project them. Um, in the m c a A.

561
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: We gave everybody the year back, but in high school

562
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: they didn't give the year back, so kids kept moving on.

563
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: So you just had a dad adapt and adjust. But

564
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: the good thing was that everybody that you were competing

565
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: with was following the same rules, and Um, that was

566
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: just part of the process that you have to do

567
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: with you know, yeah, yeah, well some of them were

568
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: following the same rules. But but but but I digress. Um,

569
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: what is your philosophy though on on offers? Because U

570
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: c l A and you guys have offered either the

571
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: least or second least amount of scholarships two players versus

572
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: you know, other schools around the country and in the

573
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: Pact twelve that are north of four hundred offers, which

574
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 1: most of those have to be an offers because they're

575
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: not committable. Yeah. So to me, um, our workers are bombed.

576
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: So if we offer you it's committable, I don't understand.

577
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: We're gonna offer you but not a committable offer. Then

578
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: my answer would be, then it's not an offer. You know,

579
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: we're not making reservations for dinner. UM, you're dealing about

580
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: your dealing with young man's lives. And I don't think

581
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: it's fair to offer a young man UM and then

582
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 1: tell him it's not a committable offer because I don't

583
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: know what message you're sending them. You know, you can

584
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: trust me, but not in everything I say. You know,

585
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: so our word is our body. UM. The other thing

586
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: for us is we have a uh a great school here,

587
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: academic we and not everybody can get in. So we

588
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't offer a kid UM if we didn't, if we

589
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: didn't have a transcript in hand that we could show

590
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: to our admissions office. UM to see is what is

591
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: this young man tracking towards if he continues to do

592
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: the same work keys an admittable student athletes UM. Because

593
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: it's also not fair to a kid that you offer

594
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: a scholarship and he says, hey, I want to go there,

595
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: it's my dream school, and then a year later you say,

596
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: well you didn't get in. You know that kid has

597
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: shut down his recruiting has told people, UM has told

598
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: people that, UM, you know he's going to stif school

599
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: and no one else's recruiting him, and then you tell

600
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: the kid a year later we can't get in. So um,

601
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: we make sure we've got In most cases, we need

602
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: at least five or six semesters of high school work

603
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: for our missions office to be able to tell us

604
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: of the kids in the medable student athletes. So in

605
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: the rush of some people offering eighth graders and freshmen,

606
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, my response all the time is, the kid

607
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: doesn't even have a trund skit. How do you know

608
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 1: if he's in a medable student So um, we want

609
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: to make sure we got the right kids in the

610
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: right fit here. Um. Kids are about books, kids are

611
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: about vall um and then they understand that in the process.

612
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: But I think they understand what they get an offer

613
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: from us. It's a committabal offer and it's not a

614
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: it's not a reservation for dinner. It's actually a scholarship pump. Yeah,

615
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: people get a real caught up in stars and recruiting

616
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: rankings and where you rank? Where do you think that?

617
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: And and my mind, you when you were in Oregon,

618
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: you had a ton of success and you didn't finish

619
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: in the top ten of recruiting rub up there. So

620
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 1: it's like, how do you balance you know, finding guys

621
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: that are great for your system that allows you to

622
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: have tremendous success on the field, but also kind of satisfying,

623
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, getting elite athletes at the same time. Yeah,

624
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: I think we have a UM a system of how

625
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: we evaluate both academically, athletically and characterized of the students

626
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: that we offer and recruit UM, and we go by that.

627
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: We're not governed by somebody else's opinion. UM. That's just

628
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: not the you know, the way to go about it.

629
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: If if that happens to be you know, the kid

630
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: happens to be somebody that UM people at the recruiting

631
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: services think very highly on, then they have highly ranked

632
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: and UM, then that's great. But if if they don't,

633
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: we don't offer a kid UM because of his ranking. UM.

634
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: You know, those guys work really hard at it. But

635
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if all the recruiting rankings have all

636
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: the information i e. The academics and the character background

637
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: things that maybe schools have. And I don't think that's

638
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: any different, George than the NFL draft UM as you know,

639
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: you know, being a former NFL guy, UM, school programs

640
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. Teams in the National Football

641
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: League find out a ton of information, you know, at

642
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: the combine and the interviews and scouts on campus and

643
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: things like that. And you always see a guy in

644
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: the draft that everybody thought was the first share first

645
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: round pick and he dropped to the sixth or the seventh. Well,

646
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: it may have been a medical, it may have been

647
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 1: a character issue, um that maybe the public wasn't aware

648
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: of it. I think that happens a lot in recruiting rankings,

649
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: where you know, they may look at a highlight pick

650
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: and say, this kid is really good, he's a hip star,

651
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: but you know, didn't know that he's had multiple concussions

652
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: and he may not be able to project to be

653
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: a college player, or um, he may have had some

654
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: problems off the field, or he may not have UM

655
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: the requisite grade point average to UM attend certain schools

656
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: or even be an n c A qualifiers. So I'm

657
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: not sure they have all the information all the time,

658
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: but UM, we have to do that. That's that's our job.

659
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: That's the school's job to do all that homework, because

660
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: there's more to the evaluation and the offer than just

661
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: he has a really good highlighting. You know, there's a

662
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 1: lot more to it than that. When you're projecting who's

663
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: gonna end up being, um, you know, a player that

664
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,479
Speaker 1: that's going to be successful at the Polter five level.

665
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. Um. You guys were

666
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: on with coach Chip Kelly, head coach of the u

667
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: c l A Bruins. Um. If when when you look

668
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: at this season for you, for you guys, you have

669
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 1: Dorian Thompson Robinson quarterback coming back. You you your defense

670
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: is much improved, which I think is going to be

671
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: one of the best defenses in the Pact twelve this year.

672
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: What does success look like for you guys on the

673
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: field this year? Yeah, I think we'll ultimately be graded

674
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: by the standard that we all hold ourselves suiting in

675
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: terms of how we prepare daily, um, not get caught

676
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: up you know and looking too far ahead, um and

677
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: being anxious for the future, and also not being frustrated

678
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: by things that the one in the past of you know,

679
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: can we continue to just put you know, good days, um,

680
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: whether it be a Monday, you know, over about two

681
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: weeks before our first game, um, or or or on

682
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: the day of our first game, you know, it's it's

683
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: really about being consistent in your approach. Um. The best

684
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: players that I had an opportunity to coach, whether it's

685
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: at the college level or the professional level, they were

686
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: the same person every day, you know. And it's it's

687
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: your ability to handle the successes um and the disappointments

688
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: the same way. You know, because you're not going to

689
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: be every single day. You know, that just doesn't happen.

690
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: You know, we're not striving to be perfect. You know,

691
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 1: we're worth striving to be UM the best version of ourselves.

692
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: And part of that is UM when we don't when

693
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: we do face adversity, or we do face a loss,

694
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: so to speak, UM, whether it be on a particular play, UM,

695
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: how do we bounce back from that in the hand?

696
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: How do we learn from that to make ourselves even better?

697
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: So really it's how do we respond on a daily

698
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: basis to you know, what's throwing at us? UM will up,

699
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: we'd be our what we measure ourselves on here every day?

700
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: Is this team this year good enough to win the

701
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 1: PAC twelves out then end up in the PAC twelve

702
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: championship game? Yeah, we don't talk about that. You know,

703
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: it goes back to our mindset is if we are

704
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,919
Speaker 1: talking about that, George, then we're way too far ahead

705
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: of ourselves. You know, this team has to be good

706
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: enough to have a really really good Monday, UM and

707
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: not get caught up in it. And it's hard. Now,

708
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 1: that's a lot easier said than done, UM, because of

709
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: a lot of talk. And we do have a lot

710
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: of players back from UM and have a lot of

711
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: that and have a lot of returning experience. But I

712
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: think if you get caught up in that, then you

713
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: lose sight of what what what you need to do,

714
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: and that's what you need to do is come to

715
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: work every single day and UM. We'll continue to harp

716
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: that with our players. So it would be kind of

717
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: disingenuous of me to answer questions like that and talk

718
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: about predictions and things like that, because that's not something

719
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: that really governs how we work. It's it's just what's

720
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: our standard and can we live up to it on

721
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 1: a daily basis, And we have our game meeting UM tonight,

722
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of every day, and we

723
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: talk about it. UM. You know, in our players actually

724
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 1: great themselves, you know, did they did they win the day?

725
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: Or did they or did we're using today as a

726
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: learning experience. So UM, we'll continue to use that model

727
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: because I think that's the one UM that that really

728
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: has proven over time that if you're about the process

729
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: and not the outcome, UM, then the outcome will take

730
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: care of yourself. Have you always had that philosophy or

731
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: is that something that you've picked up with your experience

732
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: in in the NFL now, UM, I have had that

733
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: philosophy for a long time. UM. I probably didn't articulate

734
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: it as well as I was a younger coach, UM,

735
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: but I think I've learned how to really try to

736
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: explain it is that we are outcome aware. I think

737
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: everybody's outcome aware, but we are process driven UM. And

738
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,959
Speaker 1: I think when you focus on the process, UM, that

739
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: helps you UM actually with the outcome. You know, and

740
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 1: it sounds our intuitive, but it's it's really the key

741
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: part of it. You know. I think sometimes people get

742
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: too high UM, and then at times get too low.

743
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: You know, when I think it's it's really about being

744
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: consistent and steady, because it isn't a game of perfect

745
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's a it's a game of resiliency. And

746
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: if you're going to develop resiliency. You've gotta understand that

747
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: it's about focusing on the process will help you develop

748
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: that resiliency. Yeah. And over at U c l A,

749
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: you guys have you know, your biggest rival is USC

750
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: and you guys have a linebacker on your team with

751
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: the last name Trojan. How is that in the locker room?

752
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: That's a good question. Um, you know what, I've never

753
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: really thought about it, or we've actually never really talked

754
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: about it. I would have to ask him, I, um,

755
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: you know what it's like in the locker room. But

756
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: I think, uh, um, I think most people don't call

757
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: him by his first name, that the last name right,

758
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: just to just pretend like that didn't even happen, Just

759
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: pretend like the right you you came from New Hampshire,

760
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: and I remember when you first got to Oregon they

761
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, we hired this guy from New Hampshire.

762
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: I was like, from New Hampshire? What? And then you

763
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: turned out to be, you know, and a guy who

764
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: has changed college football and kind of how uh in

765
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: terms of tempo and you know the way that you're

766
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 1: running spread, but it's also a running attack at its core,

767
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: and that was primarily it seems like the developed with

768
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: the the New Hampshire Mafia. Can you tell us about

769
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: the New Hampshire Mafia. UM, I don't know what mafia

770
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: is the work, but there are a few of us

771
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: UM in football now that we're all from the same hometown.

772
00:44:54,880 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: So Ryan Day who's at Ohio State, Danny Malves at Florida. Uh,

773
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: we all grew up in Manchester, New Hampshire, and our

774
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: paths have crossed along the ways UM at times. I

775
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: actually coach Ryan in college UM, and then his first

776
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: job was with US at New Hampshire, and then he

777
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 1: went on to TA at Florida and full time coach

778
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 1: at Temple in Boston College before we reunited in the NFL. UM.

779
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: I had known Danny. I actually was coaching Division threeball

780
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: when Danny was playing college Division three football and got

781
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: a chance to coach against him. And then when he

782
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: first started getting into coaching, UM, you know, told them about, Hey,

783
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 1: there's there's a job overen here, maybe you should apply there.

784
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: And uh, he started off at Columbia University where I

785
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: started out. UM. So we kind of intertwined UM together

786
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: at at different times. But I just think it's a

787
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's a great place to grow up. Um.

788
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: You know it's it's it's uh sport, you know, in

789
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: the fall and in the winter and in the spring. Um,

790
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: and you go from one sport to the other sport.

791
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: And we had great youth coaches and UM, great high

792
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: school coaches and just a great placed too to raise

793
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: a young man. UM and I we're just all byproducts

794
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: of you know, the coaches that are an opportunity to

795
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: affect our lives when we were young kids. Yeah, and um, finally, finally, coach,

796
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: you are big on something that I am big on

797
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: as well, because I've been around the world speaking at

798
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: a bunch of um military bases and like it. It

799
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: seems like now so much of the military appreciation within

800
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: sports that it borders on performative. But that's not the

801
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: case for you, because you attended the funeral of an

802
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: Oregon Fan Army Sergeant Joshua Linkstorff, who was killed in Afghanistan,

803
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: and you've also been overseas to visit service members. When

804
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: you see what's happening in the news right right now,

805
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: so much of the reaction is about scoring points and politics,

806
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: But how important is it too that we keep the

807
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: human cost and all of that at the forefront when

808
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: it comes to these types of issues. Yeah, you know,

809
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: I think you're spot on with that, George, And to me,

810
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: it's never been political. But there are a group of

811
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: people in this country, UM, servicemen and women and their

812
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: families that have sacrificed, um, their time and at times

813
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: the ultimate sacrifice, their lives so that we can live

814
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: in this country, you know. And and it's something that

815
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: I think at times, when you get to the holidays,

816
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: the fourth of July that ten today, things like that,

817
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: people kind of think about, you know, the sacrifices that

818
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: these people have made, UM. But I think on a

819
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 1: daily basis, we should remind ourselves that, um, we live

820
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: the lives that we live right now because of other

821
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: people that are sacrificed for us. And whenever you have

822
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: a chance, I think, and when you talk to most

823
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: of the people in the military, just a recognition and

824
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: thank you for what they've done, um in in in

825
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 1: the contribution that they've made so that we can live

826
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: the lives that we live right now. Is is really

827
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: the most important thing for me. And when I had

828
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: the platform of being a head coach, um, just to

829
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 1: take some time in the opportunity to just say thank you.

830
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: And that's that's what I think ultimately for for all

831
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: the men and women and their families. UM. The sacrifices

832
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: when people are deployed and go overseas and their families

833
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: are back here in the States and you don't know

834
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: if you're ever going to get that faithful phone call. UM.

835
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: That's that's tough to live in on a on a

836
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: daily basis. And there are a bunch of people that

837
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: do that so that we can do what we're doing

838
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: right now. We're you know, we're I'm sitting in my

839
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: office talking ball with you, you know, And and it's

840
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: because other people have made sacrifices for us. So UM,

841
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: I've always been Uh, I have family members that have

842
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: been in the military. UM. But I've always just been

843
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: respectful of people that, UM have given part of their

844
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: lives to serve our country, UM and allow us to

845
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: live the freedoms that we live. Yeah, I want agree

846
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: with all of that because we wouldn't have the cushy

847
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: and and you know, operate the cushy opportunities and be

848
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: able to sit in the air condition without those servicemen

849
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: and women. UM. I wanted to ask you one one thing,

850
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: and this is a kind of a question for the

851
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: Oregon fans as well, is that Okay, So when you

852
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: got a chance to go back to Austin Stadium, I

853
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: was actually at that game, um, a couple of years ago,

854
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: and it was your first time playing against Oregon as

855
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: the U c l A head coach. What was that

856
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: like returning back to Austin Stadium and how and how

857
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:31,479
Speaker 1: well you were received by the autsin crowd. Um. It

858
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: is weird because you ran out of the wrong tunnel

859
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: and I ran to the wrong sideline. If you're not

860
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 1: used to going that way. I was used to always

861
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: going the other way, so that had to kick a

862
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: little bit used to But UM, I've always said that,

863
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, Autson Stadium is one of the most special

864
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: places in the world, um, and the reception that I

865
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: got there was was truly special. I met a ton UM.

866
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: I've had so many fond memories of that place. And

867
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: you know the one thing about ore again that I've

868
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: always said, Um, they do have it, I'm legal facilities,

869
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: But to me, the thing that always resonated was the people,

870
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: you know, and in in the fans, UM, and the people

871
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: that had an opportunity to meet my six years there

872
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: were um told a special place in my heart. So

873
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: it was it was it was a surreal moment. Um,

874
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: just because of you're going to compete against the place

875
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 1: that you worked so hard you know when you were there.

876
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: So that was different. Um. Once the whistle blew, it

877
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: was different because it's just competition. Um. But before the game,

878
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: it was it was different, you know. And and getting

879
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: a chance to visit with some of the people that

880
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 1: I knew from Oregon that were down on the sideline

881
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: pre game, just to say hello to some of them

882
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: was really special too. And so, UM, I root for

883
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: them in every game except for the game I coach

884
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: against them. So um, I'm hoping they get uh they

885
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: have a great season this year, and I got a

886
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: lot of friends that are still associated with that school,

887
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: and I hope everything goes well for them, ex up

888
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: for the one time they playoffs. Well, coach, I'll be

889
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: rooting against you in that game, but in all the

890
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: other you gotta be Lloyd's buddy. I understand that. But

891
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: but no, no, I will be rooting for you in

892
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: every game because hey, I want you to do well.

893
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: But also most importantly because I like to have a

894
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 1: happy household because my my wife is a big time

895
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: football fan. I knew you were smart first time I

896
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: ever met in George. You're a smart guy, all right,

897
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: you guys. He's coach Chip Kelly, head coach of the

898
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: U c l A Bruins. Thanks for coming on today, George,

899
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: take care of a great song. So, Ralph, what did

900
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: you think about the Chip Kelly interview? Well, for starters,

901
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: the pylon is official. Whether you talked to Clay Hilton,

902
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: you talked to David Shaw and now Chip Kelly about

903
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: this idea of of how offers are viewed. UM. And

904
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: you know, Stanford and U c l A obviously have

905
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: offered you know, quite a few less than anybody else

906
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: in the conference, and they have what would you would

907
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: probably need to consider more unique perspectives, um, within the

908
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: grand scheme of things on whether an offer should be

909
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: committable or not. UM. But I think we're starting to

910
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: see a little bit of a pile on for some

911
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: of our for some of our schools in the conference

912
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: that are going north of two fifty offers ten times

913
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: the amount or more that you can you can you know,

914
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: bring in with a su creeping up on sixteen seventeen

915
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,919
Speaker 1: times the amount that they could actually bring in and would,

916
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: which is actually not true number anyway, because you have

917
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: to consider people are looking to get thirty of their

918
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: classes now from the transfer portal. So it is interesting

919
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: to hear these coaches speak out on the idea that

920
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: um that an offer shouldn't be meaningless um And I

921
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: know that, I know that people can argue about the

922
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: connotation of of the term meaningless, But if an offer

923
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: is not committable, then it's not an offer, correct. It's

924
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 1: as David Shaw called, it's an offer. Right. There's such

925
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: time things, a limited time offer. Those exist all over society.

926
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: But otherwise we're just in that Kevin Garnett scenario of

927
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: why the f would you show this to me if

928
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: I can't have it? Like, why are you saying that

929
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: I've been offered a scholarship to your school in the

930
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: event that twelve preconditions that will never be met are

931
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: going to get met, or in the case of like

932
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: a school like Arizona State, where they make you the

933
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: offer in order to even have a relationship with you

934
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 1: in the first place, it's like scheduling eight tender dates

935
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: and deciding which one you're going to show up to

936
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 1: and leaving the girls sitting at the table that like that.

937
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: That's essentially their their method of doing this, which is

938
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: whether an inching closer and closer to four and fifty

939
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: offers just in the cycle, whether they're probably not going

940
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: to take more than twenty kids. So we've we've kind

941
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: of reached a crux, and I think that Chip Kelly

942
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: did a good job of our articulating it that at

943
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 1: some point these offers are gonna have to mean something

944
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: to these kids. Well, I would agree with that because

945
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: I think that if I were a head coach of

946
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: a university, my philosophy would be probably very similar to

947
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly's, but I would probably give out a couple

948
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: of more offers as well, right to to some depending

949
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 1: on the university I was at. If I'm at Stanford,

950
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: obviously I can't give out as many because or even

951
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: at U c l A, because getting kids in school

952
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: is is an issue sometimes, right. But if I'm at

953
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: A still a good academic university, but still at the

954
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: same time, I know that I have more flexibility with it,

955
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: and I want to build a relationship from a kid

956
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: with a kid from the time. He's younger than I

957
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: would probably give out. How many offers have um U, C,

958
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: l A and Stanford given out? Who have given out

959
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: the because they've given out the least amount in the

960
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: PAC twelve, right, Yeah, two weeks ago when we were

961
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: looking at the numbers, they were the only two pack

962
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,479
Speaker 1: t of teams under a hundred and they were both

963
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: in the seventies. Yeah, I would probably be around that

964
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 1: hundred number, like a couple of other extra ones, but

965
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 1: probably more to higher end kids that maybe we weren't

966
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: sure that we were going to get the way we

967
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: end up, maybe in their top tens, top fives, you

968
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like try to build some of

969
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: those relationships on top of that, because I do think

970
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: that you want to keep your offers exclusive right the

971
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: way people, the way kids and their parents know, if

972
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: I get an offer from X, Y and Z school,

973
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: then this is a real offer. But then at the

974
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: same time I want them to, you know, use the

975
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:53,479
Speaker 1: publicity of that as as well. Yes, and so right

976
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: now Stanford only has eighty one offers out to this class,

977
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: with only a little over twenty remaining two uncommitted prospects.

978
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: They they obviously have to identify a very clear um

979
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,879
Speaker 1: set of kids, uh that they're going after that they

980
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: have to meet certain academic requirements, um, certain matriculation requirements,

981
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: like they have to be at a certain place and

982
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: on pace to do a certain thing to be able

983
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 1: to qualify by the time they need them to qualify.

984
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: Uh So Stanford has every reason to be as low

985
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: as they are. U c l A is kind of

986
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: doing this by choice. It really comes down to Chip

987
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: Kelly's personal philosophy, which is a philosophy that a lot

988
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: of people have actually expressed frustration with and believe it

989
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: or not, U c l A is the least in

990
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: the entire pack twelve this year. They're currently at six

991
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: total prospects with an offer and right now maybe maybe

992
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: twenty offers out to uncommitted prospect x um with with

993
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: most of those being really really high end guys who

994
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: are within the rivals to fifty. Uh So it's not

995
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: like they're not going after um good football players. It's

996
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: just that they have their way of doing it, and

997
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: they want to make sure that you're fully um, you're

998
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: fully on board. I know that University of Washington has

999
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: and we'll get into them a little bit later, but

1000
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: you know they want to make sure that your commitment

1001
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: is your commitment. UM. I talked to a University of

1002
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: Arizona commit this week where they kind of said the

1003
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: same thing that, Hey, once we commit to you, we

1004
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: expect you to be committed to us, and so you

1005
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: know you've got a wandering eye, don't commit you. What

1006
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: do you think about that? Where coaches like at the

1007
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: University of Washington with Chris Peterson where they had the

1008
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: policy of and then it started with Jimmy Lake, but

1009
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: now they're gonna have to change it where if you

1010
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: are committed then and you go see another school or

1011
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: something and you don't shut down your recruiting, then we're

1012
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: gonna dry rop you. It's fine if you've built up

1013
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: the trust in order to be able to do that,

1014
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: but that's it's hard when you're cycling in a new

1015
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: staff and nobody knows whether or not you're serious. We

1016
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: have so many coaches within the Pac twelve and college

1017
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: football in general, that if they have the opportunity to

1018
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: get a better recruit that pops up at the last minute,

1019
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: they will drop you. We've seen it happen. There was

1020
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: an entire debacle with an offensive lineman named Frank Thompson

1021
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: UM a little bit ago with with Arizona State University,

1022
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: who Arizona State UM dropped as a you know, as

1023
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: one of their first commits in the class. They dropped him,

1024
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: but they didn't tell him. They leaked it out to

1025
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: all of the media, so everybody knew this kid, Frank

1026
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: Thompson was going to get dropped by a s U,

1027
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: but he didn't know yet. And I remember watching him

1028
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: play in the state championship game at Sun Devil Stadium

1029
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: in Tempe and watching media members ask him what it's

1030
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: like to be playing for a championship on the same

1031
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: field that he's going to play his college ball, and

1032
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: he was super happy to answer all those questions. But

1033
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: the truth is every media member that also covered air

1034
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: is on a state that was in attendance knew that

1035
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: he didn't realize a SU was about to drop him

1036
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,919
Speaker 1: like that that type of stuff that real specific stuff

1037
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: leaves a bad taste in people's mouth. Oh dude, I

1038
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: would be hot as fish grease, broish grease, and uh,

1039
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: you know, I talked to a parent this week as

1040
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: well who was not aware of a of UM you

1041
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: know who basically had been told, Hey, uh, just so

1042
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: you know, I know your family has already committed to

1043
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: the school that they're going to be committed to, but

1044
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: there's a really good chance that they blow up anyway,

1045
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: so just be ready for what that's like. And I

1046
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: remember the parent just being like, why would we why

1047
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: would we blow up if we're already committed, Why would

1048
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: more people offer us? I don't understand. And it's just

1049
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: it's important to remember that these people who pay attention

1050
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: to recruiting year in, year out are not the same

1051
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: as people who have never paid attention to recruiting and

1052
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: are in it for the first time, and it can

1053
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: be a really dejecting whirlwind experience that is incredibly expensive. Um,

1054
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of travel involved. The travel is a

1055
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: risk because not only are you traveling cross country with

1056
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: COVID going around and everything like that, they're saying, if

1057
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: you come out to our camp at cal or you

1058
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: come out to our camp at Washington, there's a much

1059
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: better chance that we offer you. What if you go

1060
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: out there and you spend all that time and all

1061
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: that money and you don't get that you know, it's

1062
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,479
Speaker 1: and I don't know, there's just recruiting is a very

1063
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: interesting and strange thing. And I would hope that if

1064
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: I was in charge of a department, I would want

1065
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: to be thought of as somebody where my word was

1066
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: my bond. Um. So I wouldn't want too much of

1067
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: my word out there, because the more word that you

1068
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: put out there, the harder well well, and the more

1069
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: that you gotta live up to it. Yeah, And it's

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01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: like having an affair with like five different people at once,

1071
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: like which lie, which play am I spending? Which lie is?

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01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: It needs to be maintained today? You know, it can

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01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: get really tough. So I understand coaches like David John

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01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly who try to simplify that process. Um. And

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01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: I guess I understand using it as a marketing or

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01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: political tactic the way that Ari is on a state

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01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: does that basically says like, hey, we want to offer

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01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: you scholarship. It's not technically actually a scholarship offer. It's

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01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: just an introduction. You know. It's like those that it's

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01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: as he's walking around hand and out offers like the

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01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: uh three day two or three day to night hotel

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01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: vacation package. If you sah, if you sit through the

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01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: four hour seminar and by a time share then yeah,

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01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: So that that's kind of the situation we're in is

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01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: putting a lot of preconditions on a scholarship offer, of saying,

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01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: if we like you, if you improve, if you're good enough,

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01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: and if the five people we have ahead of you

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01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: on our big board don't commit, then we'll consider you.

1089
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: And that's um. I think that's tough for some of

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01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: these recruits to swallow. But if you don't have too

1091
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: much else going on, then that's something that you can

1092
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: really hold on hope for that. You know, maybe the

1093
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: first five guys ahead of you will all commit somewhere else.

1094
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: Maybe you'll continue to improve, maybe you'll earn Arizona State's respect,

1095
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: and you'll end up on that team. But that's um,

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01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: that's I don't know. It seems like a tricky way

1097
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: to do things. Up to this point. It seems to

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01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: be working as far as a a su being able

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01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: to up their level of recruiting over the last few years. Um,

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01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: But also the level of drama surrounding the program has

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01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: increased exponentially as well. Yeah, I'm looking at well in

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01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: terms of recruiting in general though, right, how like because

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01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: we were going to talk about the different schools and

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01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: the and the recruiting, because recruiting is a big deal

1105
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: and it's the lifeblood of your program. But I see

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01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: schools now who aren't doing as well at recruiting as

1107
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: what they would like. They turned to, oh, well, the

1108
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: rankings are probably off this year, and recruiting rankings don't

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01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: matter all this stuff. But and I'm like, are you

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01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: sure they don't matter? Are you sure? Because if you

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01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 1: go back to let's say, uh, well, fifteen and twenty

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01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: sixteen kids are seniors right now? Right kids? No, seventeen

1113
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:37,479
Speaker 1: kids would be here right well, seventeen season, nineteen season,

1114
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 1: twenty season, um, and then you throw in the three years.

1115
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: So no, the twenty seniors. A true senior, a Stanford

1116
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: senior is recruit. Okay, So let's go with a SOD.

1117
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: So do you want to assume they read shirted or now?

1118
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: Or do you want to take from eighteen We'll say,

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01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: we'll just say seventeen red shirts? Okay. So, so here

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Speaker 1: are the top classes right from that year, according to Alabama, Ohio, State, Georgia, USC, Michigan,

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01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: Florida State, l s U, Oklahoma, Auburn, Notre Dame, Florida, Miami,

1122
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: Texas A and M Stanford, Penn State, Clemson. Okay, So

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01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: go back, go back, read me the recruit like, are

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01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: you on that? Okay? Read me the seen recruiting ranking position,

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01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: and I will tell you where they're at in the

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01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 1: preseason eight PO pole um number one, Alabama number one,

1127
01:04:53,720 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: to Ohio State number four, three, Georgia number five, number four,

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01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 1: USC UH number five, Michigan UH unranked. Okay, Florida State unranked,

1129
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 1: l s U sixteen, Oklahoma number two, Auburn Auburn is

1130
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: currently unranked. Almost I'm missing something here, yeah, I think

1131
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: they are rank Notre Dame, Notre Dames number nine, Florida,

1132
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: Florida is number thirteen, Miami, Miami's number fourteen, Texas A

1133
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:53,959
Speaker 1: and M number six, Stanford unranked, and fifteen is Penn

1134
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 1: State fifteen Penn State nineteen. So the So the schools

1135
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: in the AP top ten that have far outperformed their

1136
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: recruiting rankings are Iowa State in Cincinnati really it and

1137
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: North Carolinas on there as well. So credit to mc

1138
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: brown yep. And then when when you move to twenty nineteen, right, yeah,

1139
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: let's twenty nineteen. It looks very similar with the exception

1140
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: of Tennessee and Auburn and Michigan. Uh, it looks very

1141
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 1: similar to the AP top and the closer and closer

1142
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: that you get. So people will point to, you know,

1143
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: outlier seasons like Utah had two years ago where they

1144
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: don't finish high in the peck in the recruiting rankings,

1145
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: but then don't necessarily finish I'm sorry, but then finished

1146
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: way higher in the pole rankings. And granted it's not

1147
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: an exact science, but there is something to it that

1148
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: the that the top fifteen or twenty teen he was

1149
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: every year just so happened to be the top twenty

1150
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 1: teams in the in rankings every single year, right and

1151
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: beyond that, it also goes a long way to show

1152
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: you that if you can point out teams that were

1153
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: really high in the recruiting rankings in twenty seen that

1154
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 1: aren't in the current AP top twenty five, that they've

1155
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: also had a recent coaching change because they failed to

1156
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 1: meet the expectations that that are set by the fact

1157
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 1: that talent is usually destiny. So the only team that

1158
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 1: doesn't fall into that is probably Michigan, and they were

1159
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: at like thirty three um in in the in the

1160
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 1: a P poll with twelve votes, and they've cycled pretty

1161
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: much everybody out in the last five years except for

1162
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh. So you will see a lot of transition

1163
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,919
Speaker 1: in teams that don't meet the expectations set by their

1164
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: recruiting rankings. And then the rest that are that are

1165
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: in that top ten are usually in the top fifteen

1166
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 1: of the AP pole throughout the season, going into the season,

1167
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: and after the season. Talent is destiny. That's just the truth, correct.

1168
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 1: And the blue Chip ratio which is calculated which is

1169
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: the amount of five and four star players on your

1170
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: roster versus three and two stars UH ranked UM ranked

1171
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 1: players on your roster, and those teams have won the

1172
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 1: national championship every single year. Every single year. If you

1173
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 1: have a blue chip ratio over then you have a

1174
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: chance to win the national championship. And and the blue

1175
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 1: chip ratio over the last four classes, if you look

1176
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 1: at Alabama, they are number one of their roster is

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01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: five and four star players, and then Georgia, Ohio State, Clemson,

1178
01:08:55,840 --> 01:09:02,480
Speaker 1: l s SHO, Oklahoma, Texas, Florida, Texas saying in Michigan, Auburn, Oregon,

1179
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: Penn State, Notre Dame, Miami, and USC. That's the end

1180
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 1: of the list, Ralph, that's the end of the list.

1181
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 1: So this idea that people think that you can win

1182
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: a national championship when it hasn't happened without your blue

1183
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: chip ratio falling within this, then you are sadly mistaken. Well,

1184
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: then let's go back to Chip Kelly, because he says

1185
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 1: that he doesn't care about any of these rankings, that

1186
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 1: they do all their own internal evaluations. As long as

1187
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 1: you're doing your own internal evaluations and you set an

1188
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: internal standard of what you think your football team should

1189
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: look like and you adhere to those, then do you

1190
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 1: get to throw these things out the window or do

1191
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 1: you still think, no matter what, you're gonna have to

1192
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 1: try and get your hands on some of the best

1193
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 1: players available. I think that you can be a good

1194
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: football team. And because I don't think that you should

1195
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 1: recruit from star rankings, right, I don't, because sometimes I

1196
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: do think kids who are three stars are totally mis ranked,

1197
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,679
Speaker 1: that they should be mid four stars, high four stars,

1198
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: something something like that. Right, I totally agree with that,

1199
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: But I also understand that of the five star players

1200
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 1: and of some of the higher four star players. Some

1201
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: of these guys are so elite athletically, like they're just

1202
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 1: built different, you know what I mean, Like because you've

1203
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: been around so many you know of the top kids

1204
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: at these camps, don't five star kids typically just look different,

1205
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 1: like when they when they get off the bus. Yes,

1206
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll tell I'll tell you a story, um

1207
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: that I was there for in Las Vegas. Uh and

1208
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 1: I believe to kill Harry showed up for a Rivals

1209
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: camp um and got to get out in front of

1210
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 1: Mike Farrell, who was at the time the director of

1211
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: recruiting for Rivals, and everybody else that was part of

1212
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: Rivals that was kind of high up was there. And

1213
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: Blair Angelo, who is now seven And I remember Nick

1214
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 1: Kill Harry walk out onto the field, hadn't even done

1215
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 1: a thing yet, and and Mike Ferrell's like, that's a

1216
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 1: five star. That's what a five star looks like. Like

1217
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 1: he hadn't even done anything in front of Mike Fairl yet.

1218
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 1: And Mike was saying, like, that is what a five

1219
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: star is supposed to look like. Six ft four two pounds, vertical,

1220
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 1: Like forget all the other stuff that can that can

1221
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:29,560
Speaker 1: be developed over time. But the star rankings are an illusion,

1222
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,560
Speaker 1: not illusion with an eye, illusion with an a. The

1223
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 1: star rankings are an illusion and a projection to your

1224
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 1: NFL value, not your collegiate value. You can look at

1225
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 1: the star rankings and say, here's how we um reverse

1226
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: engineer what it would mean to have collegiate value. You'd

1227
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: want your three star to be a multiple year starter.

1228
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: Do you want your four star to be an NFL

1229
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 1: draft pick and a college star level player? And you'd

1230
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 1: want your five star to be a first round pick?

1231
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: That is that is what they're saying. When when rivals

1232
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 1: calls somebody a five star, what they're saying is three

1233
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 1: to five years from now, that person will be a

1234
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 1: top thirty pick in the NFL draft. They're not saying

1235
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: that they'll be the best college player of all time.

1236
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 1: They might not even be saying that they'll figure it

1237
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 1: out while they're in college. That it might be later

1238
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 1: down the road. But that here's what an NFL here's

1239
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: what an eventual NFL player looks like. That's what they're

1240
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 1: talking about. So when a player doesn't fit into those

1241
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 1: physical specifications and they're still riding the thin line between

1242
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 1: four star and five star, or they are a five star.

1243
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 1: That just goes to show you how much they think

1244
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 1: of that player's skill set. So like a Christian Kirk

1245
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 1: who from the state of Arizona went to Texas A

1246
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 1: and M and then ended up drafted in the second round,

1247
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 1: I believe he was a five star recruit and he's

1248
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 1: somebody who's under six foot taller receiver. They believed that

1249
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 1: his skill set would ultimately translate to being somebody who

1250
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,560
Speaker 1: would be a first round picking. He almost was. Um

1251
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 1: Tate Martel. Tate Martel is currently at un l V.

1252
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 1: It's his fourth third school, like sixth one he's committed to,

1253
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 1: but third school he's attended, and he's a five ft

1254
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: ten quarterback. So they must have thought a whole lot

1255
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 1: of Tate Martell. And I've seen Tate Martell in person

1256
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 1: at the high school level, so I understand what they

1257
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: were getting at. They must have thought a whole lot

1258
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: of Tate Martell's skill set to be able to say

1259
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: that we believe this guy is gonna play in the

1260
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 1: NFL one day, because physically he's not that guy that

1261
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 1: you look at and say, oh, that just looks like

1262
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 1: an NFL player. Um, but I think that Chip Kelly.

1263
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of what Chip Kelly does and

1264
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 1: even her Edwards to some extent at Arizona State is

1265
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 1: say that our team needs to be big, and you're

1266
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 1: seeing the the the recruiting sort of reflect that. If

1267
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:43,640
Speaker 1: you go into the ten players that u c l

1268
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: A has committed this year so far, every single one

1269
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: of them is is over six ft tall, and they

1270
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: even have a six ft five um linebacker and a

1271
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: six ft four wide receiver to six ft four tight ends. UM.

1272
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 1: That is the type of thing that they're looking for,

1273
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 1: is that you're underdeveloped, then that you've got a lot

1274
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,720
Speaker 1: of length um in order to go to to u

1275
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 1: c l A. And to be honest, that's probably a

1276
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: lot of what UTAH has done as far as being

1277
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 1: um one of the best in the conference that actually

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01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 1: developing people from where they're at to where they finish. UM.

1279
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,959
Speaker 1: Utah does a really good job of getting UM players

1280
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 1: that that they can develop over time who are three

1281
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 1: star recruits and turning them into NFL caliber talent. So

1282
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 1: you either have to have faith in the continuity and

1283
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 1: the ability to develop amongst your staff, or you just

1284
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 1: need to go and get the best piece of clay

1285
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 1: so that no matter how you shape it, it works out.

1286
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 1: You can remove the amount of human error by getting

1287
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 1: the best players available, or you can trust your staff

1288
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 1: to the point of where you believe that you can

1289
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 1: turn anyone into um, somebody who can compete at the

1290
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 1: highest level. I just don't know what the perfect balance

1291
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: is there. And it's very obvious within the PAC twelve

1292
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 1: that we have people who have extremely different philosophies on that. Yeah,

1293
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 1: And so for this year, the recruiting rankings for two

1294
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 1: you have according to seven you have for the Pack twelve,

1295
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:13,520
Speaker 1: Oregon is ranked eighth nationally, and then after that Stanford

1296
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 1: is at twenty four, USC is at twenties twenty nine,

1297
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 1: and then Arizona is at thirty seven, U c l

1298
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:28,639
Speaker 1: A at forty two, Cal at forty three, Washington at

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01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 1: forty eight. UM. And as you continue to go down,

1300
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 1: Oregon State at fifty seven and lordy you taught seventy,

1301
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:47,759
Speaker 1: Arizona State at seventy five, Washington State at seventy nine.

1302
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 1: And is that the end of the list. I think so. Overall,

1303
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:57,600
Speaker 1: So just on the rivals and overall commits goes a

1304
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 1: long way into your overall recruiting ranking. So if you've

1305
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 1: got a lot of commits early, then that kind of

1306
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 1: boosts you up. But what you really need to look

1307
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:08,679
Speaker 1: at is the total commits and the average star ranking.

1308
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 1: So you want your average star ranking to be you

1309
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 1: don't if it's under three, You're you're gonna struggle. Your minimum,

1310
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 1: uh should be getting three star recruits minimum for twelve schools. Yes, yeah, absolutely,

1311
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: so your minimum should be getting three star recruits. You

1312
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:30,600
Speaker 1: want that average to be as high as possible, and

1313
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 1: then you want the total commits to be as high

1314
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:35,679
Speaker 1: as possible. So right now, Oregon as eighteen total commits

1315
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 1: and on rivals they average three point five stars. That

1316
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: three point five stars is number two in the conference

1317
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:46,719
Speaker 1: um and it's tied for number two with Arizona State,

1318
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,759
Speaker 1: but they have three times the commits that Arizona State has.

1319
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 1: Arizona State has six total commits, good for last in

1320
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 1: the conference, but they currently average three point five stars.

1321
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 1: Um USC is currently leading the conference because they have

1322
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: two five stars and four four stars, bringing their overall

1323
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:05,680
Speaker 1: average to three point eight, but they only have ten

1324
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:09,679
Speaker 1: total commits. Stanford is doing really solid there there there

1325
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 1: at three point to seven stars per commit and currently

1326
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:16,719
Speaker 1: have fifteen commits. The really really interesting one right now

1327
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: for me is University of Arizona because they have fourteen commits,

1328
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 1: which is a really good place to be at this

1329
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 1: point in time, and they're averaging three stars per commit,

1330
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 1: which they have not done in the last decade. The

1331
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 1: last time that they even averaged over two point nine

1332
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 1: stars per commits per commit was I think the season,

1333
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 1: and so I got I'm sure you saw this, George.

1334
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 1: I got in a pretty big argument this week with

1335
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 1: a with a local site publisher UM when University of

1336
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: Arizona got a three star six ft seven, two thirty

1337
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 1: pound tight end out of Phoenix UM, and that publisher

1338
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,759
Speaker 1: alluded to the fact that, like, getting Arizona three stars

1339
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 1: is probably gonna get jet Fish fired. UM. And I

1340
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 1: found that weird to say. I mean, I found it

1341
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 1: weird to say anyway, because you did it right on

1342
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 1: the heels of a kid's commit, so you kind of

1343
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 1: stole thunder from them, and that wasn't something his family

1344
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 1: was too happy about. UM. But at the same time,

1345
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:15,719
Speaker 1: like again, Arizona hasn't even averaged three stars per commit

1346
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 1: in at least nine recruiting cycles, and they just got

1347
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 1: done they've lost twelve in a row and they just

1348
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 1: got done losing seventy seven. Are we really going to

1349
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 1: say that Arizona is doing the wrong thing by getting

1350
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:30,719
Speaker 1: better recruits than they have in nine years after going

1351
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 1: oh and twelve. I think that that's a really weird

1352
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 1: time to take that, and they were just in the

1353
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 1: in the running for one of the better Uh why

1354
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 1: why receivers in the country. Yeah, I don't know, it's

1355
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 1: just it was. It was to me, it was a

1356
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 1: really weird thing to sort of like undercut a kid's

1357
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 1: recruit to make that red meat point to your subscriber base,

1358
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 1: which could have been made an article former on your

1359
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 1: message board. But he decided to do it out in public,

1360
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 1: and that's his choice. But like, what I wanted to

1361
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 1: point out when when that was done was the fact

1362
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 1: that Arizona has not recruited well, they just took the

1363
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 1: worst loss I've ever seen in my entire life. The

1364
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 1: hired a coach that everybody laughed at, and yet here

1365
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 1: they are with eight more commits than Arizona State University

1366
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 1: at this point in time, averaging over three stars. Are

1367
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 1: recruited for the first time in over a decade. They

1368
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:21,639
Speaker 1: should actually probably be looking at something like this as

1369
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 1: a step forward and in in the right direction. And the

1370
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 1: other thing that really got to me is the idea

1371
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 1: that you're saying that Jed Jed Fish, if he keeps

1372
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 1: doing this for the next five years, is gonna get fired.

1373
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 1: He's gonna find out what Dennis Ericson found out and

1374
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 1: what everybody else found out, that if you get only

1375
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 1: three stars from Arizona, it's gonna end in you losing

1376
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 1: your job. But why would we have projected five years

1377
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:46,919
Speaker 1: out because they got one kid from the state of Arizona?

1378
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 1: Do you not get the best players available? Like, why

1379
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 1: would it be a strategy five years down the road

1380
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 1: to get three stars? If you actually have success, you

1381
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:57,640
Speaker 1: will try to recruit the best kids that you can

1382
01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 1: get at the time. So how do we know this

1383
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 1: is a five years year strategy? How do we know this?

1384
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:05,719
Speaker 1: Just isn't them doing what they can right now? Yes, dude,

1385
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 1: you just lost seventy to seven. It looks like a

1386
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 1: dumpster fire. They're just the fact that you can get

1387
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 1: four star kids some four star kids to buy in

1388
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 1: or potentially buy in, bro, Like, what what else do

1389
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 1: you want them to do? The uh It's not like

1390
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 1: if USC just falls off the map. Right, if they

1391
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 1: that lost to u c l A seventy to seven, Right,

1392
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 1: they bring in a new head coach, recruits are gonna

1393
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 1: come just because it's USC. It's not like that at Arizona.

1394
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 1: So so I think that that was an unfair criticism

1395
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:45,720
Speaker 1: of jet Fish, who is actually killing it on the

1396
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:51,600
Speaker 1: recruiting tril considering the circumstance. Not only are they overperforming,

1397
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:53,680
Speaker 1: they're doing the thing that Todd Graham used to do,

1398
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: which actually ended up helping him down the line. Not

1399
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 1: not after he lost so many assistance that he just

1400
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 1: kind of us the motivation to recruit altogether. But when

1401
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 1: you finish in a kid's top three or four, and

1402
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,679
Speaker 1: it happens over and over and over again, guess who

1403
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 1: is first to be considered when a lot of these

1404
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 1: kids end up hitting the transfer portal like that is

1405
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 1: how Arizona State University got Christian Westerman on their offensive

1406
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 1: line when he bounced a five star offensive lineman who

1407
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 1: bounced back from UH from Auburn. That's how they got

1408
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 1: Casey Tucker, a borderline five star offensive lineman who bounced

1409
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,600
Speaker 1: back from Stanford. That's how they got Henry Hattis like,

1410
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:36,599
Speaker 1: if you get into somebody's final schools, then they're still

1411
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 1: probably considering you later when they're trying to look at

1412
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 1: their other options. So you want to have an open

1413
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 1: line of communication with these people, You want to be

1414
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 1: honest and everything like that. And I think the thing

1415
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 1: the thing that that uh that this publisher also seemed

1416
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:52,640
Speaker 1: to be really upset about, which wasn't even directed toward him,

1417
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 1: as when I pointed out that because Arizona State puts

1418
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 1: out so many offers that don't mean anything currently if

1419
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 1: you put them head to head with Universe Steve Arizona

1420
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 1: for kids that they've both offered that have committed to

1421
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 1: either one school or another, a s U s two

1422
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:08,800
Speaker 1: and eight. A SU should not be two and eight

1423
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 1: against University of Arizona four kids in any recruiting season.

1424
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 1: So you have to do one of two things. But

1425
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:21,599
Speaker 1: they either need to well right, so right then don't

1426
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 1: then don't don't pretend to is my point. So don't

1427
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 1: pretend to want them. And and with this kid, I

1428
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 1: don't know why we're even arguing about it, because this

1429
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 1: kid got text messages like from Arizona State saying they're

1430
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 1: gonna ramp his recruiting up right before we committed to

1431
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: a s U, Like, there's no reason for him to

1432
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 1: lie about it. There's no reason for me to invent

1433
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:40,720
Speaker 1: a story that was just the truth. So I'm not

1434
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 1: sure what everybody is so upset about. But like the

1435
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 1: idea that you would be two and eight against Arizona

1436
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 1: head to head for recruits after beating them seventy to seven,

1437
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 1: to me means one of two things. One you either

1438
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 1: got to stop giving people offers that don't actually count

1439
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 1: for anything so that the dumb public doesn't interpret that

1440
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:00,679
Speaker 1: two and eight incorrectly as aris on the States getting

1441
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 1: their butt kicked over kids that they don't even want,

1442
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 1: or you gotta go harder for those kids and you're

1443
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 1: actually losing. I don't think a s U is actually

1444
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 1: losing out on these kids. I think a lot of

1445
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:11,600
Speaker 1: them they offered and it didn't mean anything. But to

1446
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:13,879
Speaker 1: the lay person, they look at that and they say

1447
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 1: Arizona is out recruiting a s U, and I don't.

1448
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 1: That's definitely not a fair perspective. But you create the

1449
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:22,600
Speaker 1: opportunity for that perspective when you throw out offers like

1450
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:25,879
Speaker 1: candy yep. Now, what do you think about the University

1451
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:29,600
Speaker 1: of Washington's recruiting because much has been made out of

1452
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 1: out of that because they didn't get de commits and

1453
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 1: now they are getting de commits, and um, there was

1454
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:42,679
Speaker 1: an article written by a Washington writer in The Athletic

1455
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:45,480
Speaker 1: that say it basically that they have an Oregon problem

1456
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:51,719
Speaker 1: because they just lost being being. Roberts Hed committed after

1457
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 1: going to Saturday Night Live. And I saw him at

1458
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live and I was like, Oh, this kid's

1459
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 1: gonna d commit. Explain for all those Senners. Explain what

1460
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 1: Saturday Night Saturday Night Live is an event that Oregon

1461
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:08,560
Speaker 1: puts on every year. It's been there since Willie Taggart

1462
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 1: got there. Was that seventeen seen and so it's, uh,

1463
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 1: they try to do it right before camp starts, so

1464
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 1: that last week they will have on a Saturday, all

1465
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 1: the kids come in from all over the country, the

1466
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 1: kids that they really really want. They will have them

1467
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 1: there and they'll they'll do a workout, then they'll have

1468
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 1: a barbecue, photo shoot, all of these sorts of sorts

1469
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 1: of things. So then they have kids who are committed

1470
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:44,599
Speaker 1: come they recruit the other kids. It's just a good

1471
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,679
Speaker 1: It's just a really good event. That the energy is great,

1472
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:52,559
Speaker 1: all the coaches are there, it's like that they'll have

1473
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 1: some kids on their official visits there too. It is

1474
01:24:55,200 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 1: just it was just really cool to see and to

1475
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 1: feel the energy around it. And when I saw Ben

1476
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:08,719
Speaker 1: Roberts there, I saw Euli the kid from Washington as well.

1477
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 1: And at first Washington fans were like, yeah, we're gonna

1478
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 1: try to flip Uli. And and I told my my

1479
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 1: son that who was participating that Saturday Night Live. I

1480
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,720
Speaker 1: was like, Washington thinks that they're gonna flip this kid.

1481
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 1: And he was like that kid right there. He was like, Fred,

1482
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:27,640
Speaker 1: do you see him either, He's the greatest actor of

1483
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 1: all time where there's not a chance he d commits.

1484
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: And then Ben Ben Roberts was hanging out with with him.

1485
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 1: They're both policies like. It was just like you could

1486
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 1: just feel that something even though he was committed to Washington,

1487
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 1: that something was brewing under the surface. And but Washington's

1488
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 1: recruiting class last year wasn't up to what they had

1489
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 1: typically had and a lot of that blame was placed

1490
01:25:56,160 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 1: on the fact that it was during the endemic. You

1491
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 1: couldn't get kids on campus, but I don't. Well, and

1492
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 1: then you had a new coach, But I'm like, you

1493
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:10,639
Speaker 1: kept all your recruits from the prior year. It's not

1494
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 1: like he was a foreign coach. The people who were

1495
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 1: that they had already talked to him. The kids had

1496
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 1: already talked to him because he was a defensive coordinator.

1497
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 1: So I'm just like, I just what do you think

1498
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:29,680
Speaker 1: has changed for them? One of the things that happened was,

1499
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 1: obviously Jimmy Lake was one of their best recruiters and

1500
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 1: one of the best recruiters in the Pac twelve. I

1501
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,679
Speaker 1: don't think that that's up for debate. I witnessed him

1502
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 1: getting kids that I didn't think he was gonna get firsthand. Um,

1503
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 1: he's been a really good recruiter for a really long time.

1504
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: And he started to be coveted by other people within

1505
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:51,600
Speaker 1: the Pack twelve, and so University of Washington started to

1506
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 1: increase his pay and increase his role. And I remember

1507
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 1: when he went from just the defensive back coach to

1508
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 1: the Code d C when obviously that team did not

1509
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,640
Speaker 1: even need a Code d C and then ultimately to

1510
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:07,759
Speaker 1: be named Chris Peterson's successor. UM, and then in making

1511
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:10,759
Speaker 1: that move. He wanted his staff to be his staff, obviously,

1512
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 1: so he made some changes. You look at some of

1513
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 1: the guys on his staff that he got rid of.

1514
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 1: Jordan Pow Pow, who went to UNLB before bouncing down

1515
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:21,560
Speaker 1: to University of Arizona is one of the more energetic recruiters,

1516
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 1: and and and is helping University of Arizona have a

1517
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 1: really good year. I look at this University of Washington

1518
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 1: staff and I wonder do they have the ability to

1519
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 1: do what Oregon staff does. When you say that they

1520
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 1: have an Oregon problem, I think the real problem is

1521
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 1: this University of Oregon has a bunch of really good

1522
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 1: recruiters who have the ability to get people on Mario

1523
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:47,719
Speaker 1: crystal Ball's radar and then he'll take it from there,

1524
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 1: like Mario crystabal if University of Oregon wants you, Mario

1525
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:53,760
Speaker 1: crystal Ball is the one to lead the church. And

1526
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 1: to be recruited um directly by the head coach is

1527
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:01,679
Speaker 1: not something that happens a whole lot in college football.

1528
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 1: Usually your primary relationship is with the position coach. And

1529
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:06,680
Speaker 1: you look at Jimmy Lake and you say, man, he

1530
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:08,559
Speaker 1: was such a great recruiter to put him in the

1531
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 1: position of head coach could kind of be a waste

1532
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 1: of those talents unless you can have the same model

1533
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 1: as as Oregon and get as many kids into a

1534
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 1: relationship with him as possible and then have him just

1535
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 1: be able to trust that his coordinators are going to

1536
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:26,559
Speaker 1: do a good job. But his coordinators are like John Donovan,

1537
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 1: who is like brand new, it's his first season as

1538
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 1: the as the o C. And then Bob Gregory, which

1539
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 1: will be Bob Bob Gregory because he was the defensive

1540
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 1: backs coach at Oregon while I was there, and this

1541
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 1: is gonna be his first season as a d C correct.

1542
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 1: And then you have Um the co d C uh

1543
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 1: in coach Mallow Um and it's gonna be his second

1544
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 1: year as as the code defensive coordinator. He's somebody who

1545
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:00,200
Speaker 1: was elevated by Um Jimmy Lake, who would kind been

1546
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 1: in the in the background and coach the D line

1547
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:05,720
Speaker 1: before that. So the entire staff is pretty new to

1548
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:08,759
Speaker 1: their role. So they have to balance trying to build

1549
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 1: a championship staff off of people who were essentially loyal

1550
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 1: to Jimmy Lake and at the same time also be

1551
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:18,120
Speaker 1: elite recruiters. And what you're seeing right now is that

1552
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 1: maybe they don't have the ability to do to do both.

1553
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:23,599
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a huge problem if they go out

1554
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 1: and struggle this season, because you can't struggle in recruiting

1555
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 1: and struggle on the field if you if you're struggling

1556
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 1: to recruit, you need the talking to get done on

1557
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:33,840
Speaker 1: the field for you so that you can just point

1558
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:35,479
Speaker 1: to the scoreboard and that makes kids want to come

1559
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:38,560
Speaker 1: to your school. So there's a lot of pressure on

1560
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 1: University of Washington to succeed this for for sure, because

1561
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 1: they do have a good roster, like there's there's no

1562
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 1: question how that there is talent at a lot of spots.

1563
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 1: They're super thin, a linebacker, super super thin, wide receivers

1564
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 1: paper thin as well. They've had a bunch of transfers

1565
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 1: out and injuries at as well. And if people aren't

1566
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:06,599
Speaker 1: afraid of your wide receivers, the deep ball and all

1567
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:10,040
Speaker 1: of that, bro, they will crush your running game. They

1568
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:12,439
Speaker 1: will they will say, we double dog dare you to

1569
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:14,599
Speaker 1: throw the ball because we don't believe that you can

1570
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 1: do it, and we will heat you up and we

1571
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 1: will see what you can do. They're just so short

1572
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:23,759
Speaker 1: on experience as far as like actual years spent Um

1573
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:26,960
Speaker 1: as position coaches. You know rip row in their defensive

1574
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 1: line coach. Um was an analyst as late as twenty nineteen.

1575
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:34,559
Speaker 1: Was named the d line coach in February of this year.

1576
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:39,800
Speaker 1: UH Junior Adams has been the maybe one of the

1577
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 1: longer tenured ones is the wide receiver's coach, and the

1578
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:48,960
Speaker 1: season is just gonna be his third. Um Durham Cato,

1579
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:51,639
Speaker 1: the guy who replaced Jordan Papae as a tight ends coach,

1580
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:56,639
Speaker 1: was an analyst at the University of Washington from nineteen.

1581
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 1: This is only gonna be his second season as the

1582
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:02,680
Speaker 1: position coach. The big issue right now seems to be

1583
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:06,559
Speaker 1: with University of Washington that everybody's really green, really new

1584
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:08,760
Speaker 1: to the job. They haven't found their footing in as

1585
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:11,680
Speaker 1: far as getting and retaining recruits yet, so if they

1586
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 1: don't show it on the field, it's gonna be it's

1587
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 1: gonna be scary season. They don't have a whole lot

1588
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 1: of guys with a ton of experience. I mean, I

1589
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 1: think the most tenured guy on that staff outside of

1590
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:23,960
Speaker 1: Jimmy Lake is their offensive line coach, Scott Huff. They

1591
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 1: don't have issues on offensive line. They have issues seemingly,

1592
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 1: you know, getting a lot of skill position players in

1593
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:36,840
Speaker 1: yeah and so, and there's been a lot of talk

1594
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:40,719
Speaker 1: on their message board about what's wrong with them, what's

1595
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 1: wrong with their recruiting all of that, because if you

1596
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:48,719
Speaker 1: look at where the kind of the top teams are

1597
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 1: right now in the recruiting rankings and how many commits

1598
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 1: that they have. Right so, you have the team who's

1599
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:00,200
Speaker 1: number one right now is Penn State, but they have

1600
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:03,679
Speaker 1: a full class based basically they have twenty four commits

1601
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:08,559
Speaker 1: already and Notre Dame has twenty one commits. And then

1602
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 1: you have the next tier of teams that are in

1603
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 1: the teams like the mid to high teams, and then

1604
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 1: like so I think that based upon the teams that

1605
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:24,000
Speaker 1: are higher up and where they're gonna finish, you should

1606
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:28,720
Speaker 1: for USC, I would be concerned with the amount of commits.

1607
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 1: Only having ten commits at this point, that would, you know,

1608
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:39,280
Speaker 1: scare me a little bit, only because only because like

1609
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:44,800
Speaker 1: you need to get more fire firepower in and probably

1610
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:51,080
Speaker 1: seventies of the top three kids are already committed, so

1611
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 1: and some of them are geographically unavailable to you. So

1612
01:32:56,400 --> 01:33:00,599
Speaker 1: let's say that ten percent probably well, actually I per center,

1613
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:04,600
Speaker 1: the kids are available to you that are in the

1614
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:08,200
Speaker 1: top three hundred. I think that that would be concerning

1615
01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 1: to me if I were a team like USC and

1616
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:13,439
Speaker 1: even Washington, that would scare me. The fact that we

1617
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 1: don't have a ton of commits at this point in

1618
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:21,440
Speaker 1: point in time because the early signing period is in December,

1619
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:26,320
Speaker 1: so kids are so uh. Some kids are gonna take visits,

1620
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:28,920
Speaker 1: but not really as much because they've already taken them

1621
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:31,680
Speaker 1: because their season is going to start. They're gonna have

1622
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, your season is going on, So the recruiting

1623
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:40,559
Speaker 1: aspect changes a lot. So you do not a lot

1624
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:45,520
Speaker 1: of good kids left either, yes, like the nother Okay,

1625
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 1: so out of the and I'm not I'm not I'm

1626
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:51,919
Speaker 1: going to get into the accuracy of the state rankings.

1627
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:55,599
Speaker 1: I think they're they're way off base. But as far

1628
01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:57,839
Speaker 1: as the top ten recruits in the state of Arizona,

1629
01:33:57,960 --> 01:34:00,920
Speaker 1: only one is uncommitted and he's probably not going to

1630
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:03,720
Speaker 1: a Pack twelve school. That's Anthony Lucas. I'd look more

1631
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 1: in the direction of Texas A and M and or

1632
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 1: or or Notre Dame for him. So you're not going

1633
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:12,440
Speaker 1: to get any opportunity to get guys out of Arizona, California. UM.

1634
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:16,120
Speaker 1: They have Ernest Green at St. John Bosco, the number

1635
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:19,240
Speaker 1: six recruit, David Bailey the number seven recruit, a linebacker

1636
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:23,040
Speaker 1: at a modern day and Hero Canoe out of Santa

1637
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:26,639
Speaker 1: Margarita defensive tackle the number eight guy. Those three are

1638
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 1: uncommitted out of the top ten, and then you have

1639
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 1: to go down to the number twelve and number fifteen

1640
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:35,120
Speaker 1: guys UM as far as being undecided. So you only

1641
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 1: have five guys left in the top five team tomorrow

1642
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 1: and your little Tucker right, So you're running out of

1643
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:46,480
Speaker 1: guys in amongst the cream of the crop in California

1644
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 1: to be able to get and and as it stands

1645
01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 1: right now, the it doesn't look like Washington is either

1646
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 1: in contention or or on the board for any of

1647
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:58,559
Speaker 1: these top guys. So then let's take a look at

1648
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:00,640
Speaker 1: the actual state of Washington where the need to make

1649
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 1: a big impact or they're gonna struggle, UM to compete

1650
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:04,920
Speaker 1: because some of the best players in the state of

1651
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 1: Washington have been leaving the state. And you've got Josh

1652
01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 1: Conner Lee, a six ft six five found offensive tackle

1653
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:14,920
Speaker 1: who is the highest rated recruit in the state right

1654
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 1: now and he is uncommitted UM. And then that you've

1655
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:21,720
Speaker 1: got the number five guy, Malik Ogbo, who is who

1656
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:24,439
Speaker 1: is a six ft six three twenty offensive tackle. I mean,

1657
01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 1: if they could show up their offensive line with two

1658
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:29,759
Speaker 1: top five UM commits out of the state of Washington

1659
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 1: and that that would be huge for them. But as

1660
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:34,800
Speaker 1: far as the elite, the really good four star and

1661
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:37,400
Speaker 1: above recruits, there's not a lot left to go get

1662
01:35:37,479 --> 01:35:41,280
Speaker 1: for anybody, much less somebody who's probably doing a mid

1663
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:44,560
Speaker 1: pack twelve level job of recruiting. Overall, you've got to

1664
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:47,400
Speaker 1: hope that you you you can find a way to

1665
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:53,440
Speaker 1: get the attention of some of these guys UM, especially

1666
01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 1: the number one player from from your state that plays

1667
01:35:56,920 --> 01:35:59,320
Speaker 1: right there in Seattle at Renier Beach and Josh Connerley

1668
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 1: in the number forty seven overall player in the country.

1669
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 1: That would I think go a long way and restoring

1670
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:12,400
Speaker 1: UM people's faith, I think, yeah, and that's right. But

1671
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 1: if they lose UM, if if connor Ley doesn't go

1672
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:22,400
Speaker 1: to you dub granted they doesn't have to go to

1673
01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:26,439
Speaker 1: Oregon go but if he goes anywhere else and Ogbo

1674
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:29,840
Speaker 1: as well, who is they think that he's an l

1675
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 1: s u Lean. Actually, he didn't even have UM Washington

1676
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:37,320
Speaker 1: in his top top five. So let's let's take them

1677
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 1: out of that one. That's gonna be a huge problem

1678
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:44,320
Speaker 1: for them. Yeah. I think they need a guy like

1679
01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:47,040
Speaker 1: Josh connor Ley to even when even hit the snooze

1680
01:36:47,080 --> 01:36:56,479
Speaker 1: button on the criticisms of this class. Yeah. Um so

1681
01:36:57,320 --> 01:37:00,360
Speaker 1: all right, um, and they're playing they're playing Michigan in right,

1682
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:04,160
Speaker 1: University of Washington's playing in Michigan. Yes, yes, in the

1683
01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:08,439
Speaker 1: non commerce right. That's where Josh Connelly just got back

1684
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:10,519
Speaker 1: from his Michigan visit. So you go a long way

1685
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 1: into helping yourself there if you can go and beat

1686
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:15,439
Speaker 1: up on the on on the Jordan brand of the

1687
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:20,639
Speaker 1: Big Ten exactly. Um. Any other schools that you want

1688
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:27,240
Speaker 1: to cover their recruiting, Uh No, I think I think that. Um.

1689
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:30,400
Speaker 1: I think that the schools that are most impressed with

1690
01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 1: right now are are Oregon and and and USC. They

1691
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:38,320
Speaker 1: have seen things that they've seen. The stuff that they've

1692
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:42,599
Speaker 1: done payoff. You know. Obviously, Oregon lost guys like Apprentice

1693
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:46,759
Speaker 1: Guilt to Arizona State, they lost Dante Williams to to USC,

1694
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:49,880
Speaker 1: but they've still managed to to keep pace and I

1695
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:52,800
Speaker 1: think that should be really encouraging for Oregon fans. And

1696
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:55,560
Speaker 1: I think that UM. I think that if if U

1697
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:57,920
Speaker 1: c l A has a good year this year, then

1698
01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 1: chip Kelly's method will get a little bit easier to execute. UM.

1699
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:05,800
Speaker 1: But for the most part, I think that the team

1700
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:08,400
Speaker 1: that should be most encouraged right now that's seeing a

1701
01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:10,680
Speaker 1: little bit of uptick, not relative to the amount of

1702
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:13,559
Speaker 1: success they've had UM or the amount of of of

1703
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 1: effort that they've put in, but still a little bit

1704
01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:19,040
Speaker 1: of an uptick. UH is Utah. I know that they

1705
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 1: currently only have seven commits, but they're actually some of

1706
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:23,920
Speaker 1: the kids that I've talked to, they're actually in it

1707
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:26,760
Speaker 1: for more kids than they usually are. UM. There have

1708
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:28,880
Speaker 1: been times and they really struggled to get any four star.

1709
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:31,200
Speaker 1: They've got a foothold in Florida right now. Jalen Glover,

1710
01:38:31,240 --> 01:38:33,439
Speaker 1: the four star running back. It's a really good player.

1711
01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:36,200
Speaker 1: He can end up being really really great for them. UM.

1712
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:38,519
Speaker 1: I think that I think that even though there's not

1713
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:40,840
Speaker 1: a lot of players that are committed to Utah, I

1714
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:45,080
Speaker 1: think the quality of player, in my mind, continues to increase.

1715
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:48,080
Speaker 1: And the more open you've seen them to to getting

1716
01:38:48,439 --> 01:38:50,280
Speaker 1: people out of the trans report role and being able

1717
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:55,040
Speaker 1: to develop them. I think Utah Utah fans should not

1718
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:59,040
Speaker 1: be sounding the alarm right now. UM. I think that

1719
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:02,479
Speaker 1: they're just going to continue you to improve. I think

1720
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:05,960
Speaker 1: that Oregon fans and USC fans should be satisfied. I

1721
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:08,719
Speaker 1: think U c l A fans should be encouraged, and

1722
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:10,760
Speaker 1: I think that everybody else right now is kind of

1723
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:13,599
Speaker 1: I want to give the University of Arizona some credit

1724
01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 1: as well, but I think everybody else right now needs

1725
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 1: to UM needs to make sure that they finished strong,

1726
01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:24,559
Speaker 1: including Stanford, because Stanford's classes have to be with with

1727
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:27,160
Speaker 1: the way that they actually like matriculate their talent and

1728
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:30,600
Speaker 1: the very short window for these guys to actually contribute.

1729
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:33,200
Speaker 1: They have to make sure that if Stanford is not

1730
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:36,200
Speaker 1: getting top classes, then they don't even have a shot

1731
01:39:36,240 --> 01:39:41,120
Speaker 1: at being in the top. No, you are right about that. Uh.

1732
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:45,760
Speaker 1: The last thing up is hot streaker, hot seat, and

1733
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:48,360
Speaker 1: this is where we're going to talk about what success

1734
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:52,879
Speaker 1: actually looks like for someone who pack twelve teams this season. UM,

1735
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:58,000
Speaker 1: what does success look like to you from the University

1736
01:39:58,240 --> 01:40:05,679
Speaker 1: of Washington, Let's say University of Washington success. Um that uh,

1737
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:12,400
Speaker 1: to me, looks like a ten win season and getting

1738
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:14,879
Speaker 1: trying to find a way to finish at least fifth

1739
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:20,120
Speaker 1: in the recruiting rankings, because if they are somewhere between

1740
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:22,080
Speaker 1: six and eight in the recruiting rankings and they have

1741
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:25,880
Speaker 1: somewhere between six and eight wins, then there's not gonna

1742
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:28,280
Speaker 1: be a whole lot of reason at University of Washington

1743
01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:31,800
Speaker 1: fans or maybe Jenko and their athletic director ultimately see

1744
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:34,759
Speaker 1: for keeping this staff trending in the direction that they're going,

1745
01:40:35,240 --> 01:40:37,120
Speaker 1: because it's not like they really got to go out

1746
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:40,679
Speaker 1: and interview people. This was a succession plan with Chris Peterson,

1747
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:42,840
Speaker 1: and I'm sure they'd rather have Chris Peterson be the

1748
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:46,519
Speaker 1: coach anyway. So, um, I think that in order to

1749
01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:49,280
Speaker 1: meet expectations, you're looking at a nine or ten win

1750
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:52,120
Speaker 1: season um for University of Washington, and they have to

1751
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:55,760
Speaker 1: find a way to get that recruiting component in as well. Yeah,

1752
01:40:55,800 --> 01:41:00,560
Speaker 1: I would agree with everything there that obviously go wing

1753
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:04,639
Speaker 1: okay for For me, success looks like two of them

1754
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 1: is that they cannot cannot, cannot lose to Michigan and Oregon.

1755
01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:14,920
Speaker 1: They can't. Those are those are the two games that

1756
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:17,240
Speaker 1: I think that they have to get one of them

1757
01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:20,720
Speaker 1: for them. What if what if that's it? Though? What

1758
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:24,759
Speaker 1: if that's the only teams they lose too? Oh? Then

1759
01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:28,360
Speaker 1: actually that would that would be acceptable too, I guess

1760
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:32,360
Speaker 1: right they the fans would be a tabbit disappointed, but

1761
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:34,280
Speaker 1: at least they would have hope. They'd be like, Yo,

1762
01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:39,040
Speaker 1: we won ten games, we lost to Michigan. But then

1763
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:41,880
Speaker 1: that would depend on Michigan being good too. You see

1764
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:46,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, if if Michigan goes and goes

1765
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:49,559
Speaker 1: six and six, then that's an atrocious loss, you know

1766
01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:51,679
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And that will make the PAC twelve

1767
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:58,639
Speaker 1: look god awful. So Michigan particularly, I think the Michigan

1768
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:02,639
Speaker 1: win is that must win, especially if you believe that

1769
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:07,080
Speaker 1: you have a really good that this is one of

1770
01:42:07,120 --> 01:42:10,639
Speaker 1: your all time most talented teams and all of this stuff,

1771
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:14,600
Speaker 1: then that's the game that you on September eleven that

1772
01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:16,680
Speaker 1: you have to be circling like, this is the game

1773
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:21,000
Speaker 1: that we have to win. Yeah, all right, Washington State.

1774
01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:24,800
Speaker 1: What does success look like for them? I think it

1775
01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:28,719
Speaker 1: is having Nick Rolovich as you're as your head coach

1776
01:42:29,479 --> 01:42:32,000
Speaker 1: at the end of the season, well after after the

1777
01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:36,880
Speaker 1: middle of October. That's the first thing. And then just

1778
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:42,880
Speaker 1: recruiting I think is going to be their issue, which

1779
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:46,479
Speaker 1: is finding a way to get really good talent up there,

1780
01:42:46,600 --> 01:42:51,719
Speaker 1: which will then allow you to compete for Pack twelve championships, uh,

1781
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:53,800
Speaker 1: you know, in a couple of years, because I don't

1782
01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:56,639
Speaker 1: think they're ready to compete for a Pac twelve championship now,

1783
01:42:57,200 --> 01:43:00,120
Speaker 1: and Washington State kind of waits for those outlier or

1784
01:43:00,160 --> 01:43:02,439
Speaker 1: seasons where they have a really good team and then

1785
01:43:02,479 --> 01:43:05,320
Speaker 1: they can make a run then. And I think that

1786
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:07,640
Speaker 1: they're not close to a run right now. So I

1787
01:43:07,680 --> 01:43:11,840
Speaker 1: think that putting some good tape down, you know, getting

1788
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:14,920
Speaker 1: to a bowl game, get Yeah, getting to a bowl

1789
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:19,800
Speaker 1: game has to be success for them this year. I

1790
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:23,360
Speaker 1: think a bowl game would be good. I also think

1791
01:43:23,439 --> 01:43:26,080
Speaker 1: that we know that they were able to put up

1792
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 1: with a lot from Mike Leach so long as they

1793
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:32,240
Speaker 1: were top three in offense and defended home field. We

1794
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:35,720
Speaker 1: know that those two things matter a lot to Washington

1795
01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:39,760
Speaker 1: State fans, um, and we know that they'll give you

1796
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:41,559
Speaker 1: a little bit of grace if if, if that's what

1797
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 1: you're doing. Um, I don't think you have to beat

1798
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:47,639
Speaker 1: Washington I think that you have to UM, I think

1799
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:50,719
Speaker 1: you have to play extremely well at home. I'm thinking

1800
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:56,400
Speaker 1: no more than one loss, which is gonna be tough, UM,

1801
01:43:56,439 --> 01:44:00,360
Speaker 1: because you got Stanford, b y U, Oregon State, USC,

1802
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:04,080
Speaker 1: Portland State, Utah State in Arizona. So maybe two losses

1803
01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:06,040
Speaker 1: that maybe they could get away with going five and

1804
01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:09,320
Speaker 1: two UM at home. But they're gonna need a top

1805
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:12,160
Speaker 1: three offense because you don't want to. You don't want

1806
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:14,280
Speaker 1: to have gotten rid of Mike Leach to bring in

1807
01:44:14,280 --> 01:44:17,479
Speaker 1: another head coach had the same level of drama with

1808
01:44:17,479 --> 01:44:21,880
Speaker 1: with that head coach is extracurricular media perception and then

1809
01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:25,360
Speaker 1: not be a top three offense. They've averaged over forty

1810
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:28,040
Speaker 1: points I think three of the last seven years, and

1811
01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:30,799
Speaker 1: only seven packed twelve teams over the last seven seasons

1812
01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:33,280
Speaker 1: have averaged over forty, so almost half of that is

1813
01:44:33,320 --> 01:44:37,960
Speaker 1: Washington State. They need to They can't massively regress offensively

1814
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:41,680
Speaker 1: and then also be expected to put up with with

1815
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:45,639
Speaker 1: extracurricular headaches. So to me, success is winning at least

1816
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:48,120
Speaker 1: five home games, which I think would would put them

1817
01:44:48,120 --> 01:44:50,080
Speaker 1: in contention to go to a Bowl as well as

1818
01:44:50,120 --> 01:44:56,599
Speaker 1: finished top three offensively. Okay, how about cal uh cal

1819
01:44:57,880 --> 01:45:03,479
Speaker 1: cal So weird because they've got injuries and retirements, and

1820
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:08,080
Speaker 1: while they've recruited well, it's not necessarily mind blowing at

1821
01:45:08,120 --> 01:45:13,800
Speaker 1: the skill position. Um, they've had some staff turnover that

1822
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:16,160
Speaker 1: could ultimately affect things. But at the end of the day,

1823
01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:19,280
Speaker 1: they're gonna be a good team. They don't just not compete.

1824
01:45:19,320 --> 01:45:23,240
Speaker 1: So I think that I think that cal fans would

1825
01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:27,680
Speaker 1: be willing to put their eggs in the basket of

1826
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:35,439
Speaker 1: the season so long as they win seven games and

1827
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:37,639
Speaker 1: don't have a losing record in the Pack twelve North.

1828
01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:41,599
Speaker 1: I agree with that the seven seven wins. I think

1829
01:45:41,640 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 1: that eight is a bonus right that if they get

1830
01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:47,760
Speaker 1: to eight wins that they should be celebrating this this

1831
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:52,200
Speaker 1: season and you know, a decent bowl game and then

1832
01:45:52,240 --> 01:45:54,920
Speaker 1: go win that bowl bowl game and get to like

1833
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:58,320
Speaker 1: a ninth win. That would that seems like success to

1834
01:45:58,360 --> 01:46:01,920
Speaker 1: me because they're not kind. Prince games against Nevada, TCU,

1835
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:07,120
Speaker 1: and Sacramento State all seemed winnable. Um, how about the

1836
01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:11,439
Speaker 1: Beavers of Oregon State? What does success look like for them?

1837
01:46:11,439 --> 01:46:14,160
Speaker 1: Because they start the season out at Perdue, then they

1838
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:18,400
Speaker 1: play Hawaii and Idaho in the nonconference. I think if

1839
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:23,519
Speaker 1: they can replace production like if, if, if Oregon State

1840
01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:27,040
Speaker 1: can show some of these recruits that they're that they're

1841
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:30,599
Speaker 1: in competition for that. Hey, it's not just the special

1842
01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:32,960
Speaker 1: group of talent that we had that allowed us to

1843
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:37,919
Speaker 1: be Oregon UM last year. It's no matter who Jonathan

1844
01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:40,720
Speaker 1: Smith plugs in at quarterback, or no matter who they

1845
01:46:40,720 --> 01:46:43,160
Speaker 1: plug in a running back, or no matter who's in

1846
01:46:43,200 --> 01:46:47,160
Speaker 1: their defensive backfield or playing linebacker for them, this is

1847
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:50,280
Speaker 1: what our team is going to look like so that

1848
01:46:50,439 --> 01:46:53,000
Speaker 1: they can replace the talent that they had last year

1849
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:56,919
Speaker 1: and continue to be a threat. UM. I think Oregon

1850
01:46:57,000 --> 01:47:00,200
Speaker 1: State fans know exactly what they are their hope to

1851
01:47:00,240 --> 01:47:03,400
Speaker 1: be in competition for a bowl. So starting out the

1852
01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:06,200
Speaker 1: season with three wins and out of conference play would

1853
01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:09,000
Speaker 1: be extremely important, and then trying to get three wins

1854
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:11,160
Speaker 1: within conference play to get them to that threshold is

1855
01:47:11,200 --> 01:47:13,760
Speaker 1: really what they should be looking at. Six wins would

1856
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:17,400
Speaker 1: be extremely successful. You cannot lose to Hawaii no matter

1857
01:47:17,479 --> 01:47:21,360
Speaker 1: what you do. You can't lose to Hawaii in core ballas.

1858
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:23,960
Speaker 1: Don't let Todd Graham come in and get revenge for

1859
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:30,160
Speaker 1: that twenty um what was it November uh game that

1860
01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:34,040
Speaker 1: that knocked a s U out of UM college football

1861
01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:37,599
Speaker 1: playoff competition. Like you you don't let Todd Graham get revenge.

1862
01:47:37,640 --> 01:47:40,360
Speaker 1: You gotta take care of business. Make sure that you're

1863
01:47:40,360 --> 01:47:42,800
Speaker 1: at least two and one going into that USC game,

1864
01:47:42,840 --> 01:47:45,000
Speaker 1: hopefully three and oh so that if you end up

1865
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:47,920
Speaker 1: going on a two game losing streak against USC in Washington,

1866
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:53,519
Speaker 1: that you're not wringing your hands thinking the season's over. Yeah.

1867
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:57,400
Speaker 1: Success for Oregon State this year to me looks like

1868
01:47:57,439 --> 01:48:00,600
Speaker 1: a bowl game. If I don't think it's enough to

1869
01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:02,639
Speaker 1: get three wins and have one of them be against Oregon.

1870
01:48:03,080 --> 01:48:08,639
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so uh well six and six if they

1871
01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:12,519
Speaker 1: can beat per per Due, which I don't think they will,

1872
01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:16,040
Speaker 1: but obviously they have a shot if they can start

1873
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:20,040
Speaker 1: out three and oh. Uh, they gotta be able to

1874
01:48:20,160 --> 01:48:22,960
Speaker 1: I mean, like if you're if you're them, you have

1875
01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:25,920
Speaker 1: to say, all right, can we find three wins out

1876
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:31,200
Speaker 1: of USC, Washington, Washington State, Utah, Cow, Colorado. So I

1877
01:48:31,200 --> 01:48:33,080
Speaker 1: think they got a shot with Colorado because they don't

1878
01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:37,400
Speaker 1: have a quarterback. Um, maybe they can sneak out Cow,

1879
01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:42,080
Speaker 1: maybe Wazoo. They might have a shot. You taught at

1880
01:48:42,280 --> 01:48:45,080
Speaker 1: at home. They might get a fall game versus a

1881
01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:48,479
Speaker 1: s U and as you might might not have coaches

1882
01:48:48,520 --> 01:48:52,559
Speaker 1: at that point. They gotta have. They gotta be able

1883
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:55,120
Speaker 1: to scrape out three three wins to try to find

1884
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:58,080
Speaker 1: a bowl game. I think that that's what success looks

1885
01:48:58,120 --> 01:49:01,720
Speaker 1: like for them. How about out to finish out? Well?

1886
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:04,519
Speaker 1: Almost finished with the North, but you have Stanford. What

1887
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:08,960
Speaker 1: does Stanford success look like this season? Because for for me,

1888
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:13,559
Speaker 1: I'm like David Shaw thinks that they're back. For me,

1889
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:20,200
Speaker 1: I need to see a rejuvenated offense that a an

1890
01:49:20,240 --> 01:49:23,840
Speaker 1: offense that looks like it can run the football again,

1891
01:49:24,160 --> 01:49:29,360
Speaker 1: but it also has some explosive capabilities. And for them,

1892
01:49:29,400 --> 01:49:33,479
Speaker 1: it's nine wins. Like, there's nothing under nine wins that's

1893
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:37,760
Speaker 1: acceptable at Stanford right now. I think you're probably right

1894
01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:39,680
Speaker 1: about the nine wins, just based on the way that

1895
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:42,719
Speaker 1: David Shaw was speaking about his team, because he never

1896
01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:44,479
Speaker 1: comes out and hypes his team the way that he

1897
01:49:44,520 --> 01:49:48,479
Speaker 1: did in this preseason, So why why would he be

1898
01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:50,640
Speaker 1: happy with them? Could go in eight and five on

1899
01:49:50,680 --> 01:49:56,120
Speaker 1: the season or something. You know, Yeah, they definitely need

1900
01:49:56,160 --> 01:49:59,240
Speaker 1: to average more points than their opponent's score. I think

1901
01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:02,080
Speaker 1: that's important. They didn't do last year. No, they didn't.

1902
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:04,559
Speaker 1: They went four and two last year. And they gave

1903
01:50:04,640 --> 01:50:06,880
Speaker 1: up two more points a game than they than they scored.

1904
01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:16,799
Speaker 1: You can't do that, Yeah, like that right when that happens? Um, alright, Oregon?

1905
01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:20,320
Speaker 1: What does uh success look like for Oregon this year?

1906
01:50:22,280 --> 01:50:26,559
Speaker 1: Oh man? I don't know, because my expectations are lower

1907
01:50:26,600 --> 01:50:30,479
Speaker 1: than anybody else's that I've seen. Um, which is why

1908
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:35,360
Speaker 1: you should not be judging the PAC twelve North right right.

1909
01:50:35,400 --> 01:50:39,520
Speaker 1: I mean we we could compare our picks, um, we

1910
01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:43,599
Speaker 1: we could compare our picks. Whoa, whoa, it just comes.

1911
01:50:43,720 --> 01:50:46,240
Speaker 1: But what it comes down to, I know. But what

1912
01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:48,679
Speaker 1: it comes down to is me just doing slightly better

1913
01:50:48,720 --> 01:50:50,360
Speaker 1: in the PACK twelve South than you did in the

1914
01:50:50,360 --> 01:50:53,280
Speaker 1: PAC twelve North once we switched divisions. I did pretty

1915
01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:56,920
Speaker 1: poorly one way and you did pretty poorly the other way. Yep.

1916
01:50:57,160 --> 01:51:01,479
Speaker 1: So uh so for me, Oregon success to leven wins

1917
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:06,320
Speaker 1: to leven wins like that? Uh ten at the very least,

1918
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:11,360
Speaker 1: and you can't lose to Washington though like that? The

1919
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:17,200
Speaker 1: that that's what success looks like this year is a

1920
01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:20,240
Speaker 1: ten into eleven and one, and one of those losses

1921
01:51:20,360 --> 01:51:22,559
Speaker 1: is not to Washington. And you gotta put on a

1922
01:51:22,600 --> 01:51:27,240
Speaker 1: really good showing against Ohio State if you don't win.

1923
01:51:28,520 --> 01:51:32,120
Speaker 1: I think success for Oregon looks like people talking about

1924
01:51:32,160 --> 01:51:36,320
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown like he's one of the best offensive players

1925
01:51:36,360 --> 01:51:38,559
Speaker 1: in the pack twelve. I think it's I think it's

1926
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:40,640
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown being up for awards at the end of

1927
01:51:40,640 --> 01:51:44,080
Speaker 1: the year. You know, if he's up for awards at

1928
01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:47,920
Speaker 1: the end of the year, you you might go twelve,

1929
01:51:48,120 --> 01:51:50,760
Speaker 1: twelve and o. If he's up for you know, if

1930
01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:54,200
Speaker 1: he's up for the Davey O'Brien awar at the Heisman

1931
01:51:54,400 --> 01:51:56,639
Speaker 1: or something like like that, that means that you are

1932
01:51:57,160 --> 01:52:00,920
Speaker 1: twelve possibly twelve and oh and you beat Ohio State,

1933
01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:08,479
Speaker 1: which would be a huge win. And for Oregon, success

1934
01:52:08,520 --> 01:52:11,519
Speaker 1: to me looks like Joe moorehead and Anthony Brown proving

1935
01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:13,680
Speaker 1: that they made the right decision. And the way that

1936
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:15,599
Speaker 1: they can prove they made the right decision is for

1937
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:17,960
Speaker 1: people to be talking about him being the best quarterback

1938
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:20,880
Speaker 1: in the back twelve, not Keaton Slovis. And we're talking

1939
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:24,120
Speaker 1: like end of year stats where he maybe doesn't throw

1940
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:27,400
Speaker 1: as many touchdowns as Keaton Slovis because of the overall office.

1941
01:52:27,439 --> 01:52:30,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, but the way the offense moves um and

1942
01:52:30,760 --> 01:52:34,799
Speaker 1: with his athletic ability, I mean it's definitely possible. There's

1943
01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:37,519
Speaker 1: no defense in the Pack twelve that should be able

1944
01:52:37,560 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 1: to figure out what's coming next from this offense because

1945
01:52:42,920 --> 01:52:46,200
Speaker 1: they're just they have everything you you would want. They

1946
01:52:46,240 --> 01:52:49,320
Speaker 1: have somebody to go between the tackles, they have uhum

1947
01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:52,400
Speaker 1: threats to catch the ball out of the backfield. They've

1948
01:52:52,439 --> 01:52:55,360
Speaker 1: got a tall receiver, they've got a tough receiver, they've

1949
01:52:55,400 --> 01:52:59,160
Speaker 1: got a quarterback that can run um, and the offensive

1950
01:52:59,200 --> 01:53:02,559
Speaker 1: line is amongst the best in the Pac twelve. They're

1951
01:53:02,600 --> 01:53:05,360
Speaker 1: just kind of low on excuses, and I think that

1952
01:53:05,560 --> 01:53:09,760
Speaker 1: my hesitation with Oregon has always been a hesitation with

1953
01:53:09,800 --> 01:53:12,560
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, not a hesitation with Mario crystal Ball, not

1954
01:53:12,600 --> 01:53:15,280
Speaker 1: a hesitation with the program in general. I believe they're

1955
01:53:15,280 --> 01:53:17,640
Speaker 1: as talented as anyone in the Pac twelve. I just

1956
01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:19,880
Speaker 1: don't know if Anthony Brown is the guy that can

1957
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:24,120
Speaker 1: deliver it. That's all. Uh Now on to the South

1958
01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:29,640
Speaker 1: the U c l A. Bruins. I am success for

1959
01:53:29,720 --> 01:53:35,519
Speaker 1: this team looks like minimum eight wins. Anything over eight

1960
01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:41,040
Speaker 1: wins is a huge success for for them, and I

1961
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:44,840
Speaker 1: believe that they will get there. I got amid eight

1962
01:53:44,920 --> 01:53:49,719
Speaker 1: or nine wins this year. Yeah, finishing anything below third

1963
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:52,880
Speaker 1: in the PAC twelve South is a failure and I

1964
01:53:52,920 --> 01:53:55,479
Speaker 1: think should cause them to possibly need to reevaluate the

1965
01:53:55,520 --> 01:53:59,320
Speaker 1: direction of the program. That's and that's why finishing third

1966
01:53:59,479 --> 01:54:02,240
Speaker 1: in the PAC twelve South is not an option because

1967
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:06,160
Speaker 1: that could put chip Kelly in jeopardy. I think that

1968
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:10,040
Speaker 1: second is the worst case for them to finish for

1969
01:54:10,160 --> 01:54:13,799
Speaker 1: everything to be look like it's moving in the right direction.

1970
01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:17,040
Speaker 1: I think they can get eight wins and still finish third,

1971
01:54:17,320 --> 01:54:19,559
Speaker 1: so long as they beat It's gonna sound crazy, but

1972
01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:23,040
Speaker 1: like they have to beat Utah. Yes, they gotta beat

1973
01:54:23,080 --> 01:54:25,880
Speaker 1: Utah head to head. They've been dominating Arizona State as

1974
01:54:25,960 --> 01:54:28,000
Speaker 1: long as they get either a s U or USC,

1975
01:54:28,640 --> 01:54:30,240
Speaker 1: it just has to be one of the two. But

1976
01:54:30,280 --> 01:54:33,640
Speaker 1: they have to beat Utah. Yeah, they can't. They and

1977
01:54:33,680 --> 01:54:35,840
Speaker 1: they can't do the thing where they fell down by

1978
01:54:35,880 --> 01:54:40,640
Speaker 1: eight touchdowns against Washington State either. They have to find

1979
01:54:40,680 --> 01:54:43,000
Speaker 1: some stabilities of program. They need it out of conference

1980
01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:45,560
Speaker 1: when chip Kelly's got to get that monkey off his back.

1981
01:54:45,960 --> 01:54:48,800
Speaker 1: But eight wins a minimum, and anything below third in

1982
01:54:48,840 --> 01:54:52,640
Speaker 1: the pactul South, you gotta make some type of massive overhaul.

1983
01:54:53,080 --> 01:54:56,600
Speaker 1: They are so they're they're not gonna lay an egg

1984
01:54:56,640 --> 01:55:01,840
Speaker 1: against Hawaii and Fresno State. Uh so there, so that's

1985
01:55:01,880 --> 01:55:05,000
Speaker 1: two wins. I think they can win this that L

1986
01:55:05,160 --> 01:55:07,760
Speaker 1: s U game, Pal that that L s U game

1987
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:12,400
Speaker 1: on September nine, I'm pointing to that one like m

1988
01:55:12,640 --> 01:55:16,840
Speaker 1: m m hmm. That's that could be the upset of

1989
01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:23,200
Speaker 1: Week one in college football. So, um, that have everybody

1990
01:55:23,240 --> 01:55:26,160
Speaker 1: talking for sure? Yep, they just see they they theyre.

1991
01:55:26,200 --> 01:55:29,160
Speaker 1: I believe that they're tougher than they were under their

1992
01:55:29,160 --> 01:55:32,680
Speaker 1: previous coaching staff. They might not be as talented, but

1993
01:55:32,760 --> 01:55:35,680
Speaker 1: they're tougher and if they lean into that toughness, they

1994
01:55:35,680 --> 01:55:37,680
Speaker 1: can bully some of these pack twelve teams because not

1995
01:55:37,720 --> 01:55:40,560
Speaker 1: every Pack twelve team is hard all the way deep

1996
01:55:40,600 --> 01:55:44,960
Speaker 1: down to the core. Yep, Um, okay, USC, what does

1997
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:49,879
Speaker 1: success look like for Clay Hilton and the Trojans winning

1998
01:55:50,080 --> 01:55:52,920
Speaker 1: at all? It's a it's a weird place to have

1999
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:56,040
Speaker 1: to be in. But they gotta win the Pack twelve. Well,

2000
01:55:56,760 --> 01:55:59,480
Speaker 1: I don't care. I mean a successful season then I

2001
01:55:59,520 --> 01:56:02,520
Speaker 1: don't care if they lose three games, but they gotta

2002
01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:06,040
Speaker 1: they they got to be the last team standing. Yeah,

2003
01:56:06,720 --> 01:56:11,200
Speaker 1: when the will adjust a Pack twelve, So would it

2004
01:56:11,240 --> 01:56:13,560
Speaker 1: would it be good at good enough if they went

2005
01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:18,160
Speaker 1: ten and two and then played in the conference championship

2006
01:56:18,200 --> 01:56:22,120
Speaker 1: game against Oregon and lost, No, no, and I have

2007
01:56:22,200 --> 01:56:26,000
Speaker 1: them going TENANTWO and missing the conference championship. So like

2008
01:56:26,120 --> 01:56:29,920
Speaker 1: I have them going tenant too, because you are you

2009
01:56:30,120 --> 01:56:32,640
Speaker 1: are out of your mind with this Arizona State love.

2010
01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:39,440
Speaker 1: But okay, it's not ok whatever, it's whatever, irrational, Um, Okay, Arizona.

2011
01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:47,360
Speaker 1: I don't get embarrassed. Be competitive, right, be competitive. They

2012
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:49,800
Speaker 1: were competitive at some points last year that game against USC.

2013
01:56:51,080 --> 01:56:54,360
Speaker 1: They're better than they were last year. No one can

2014
01:56:54,440 --> 01:56:57,040
Speaker 1: argue that they have more talent this year than they

2015
01:56:57,040 --> 01:56:59,320
Speaker 1: did last year. It's not a lot more. So it's

2016
01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:01,000
Speaker 1: really gonna come down to the amount of effort that

2017
01:57:01,040 --> 01:57:04,560
Speaker 1: they get and the quality coaching, because it doesn't make

2018
01:57:04,640 --> 01:57:07,440
Speaker 1: sense it just transitive properties alone. It doesn't make sense

2019
01:57:07,480 --> 01:57:10,960
Speaker 1: that you can basically be on the doorstep of beating

2020
01:57:11,040 --> 01:57:14,400
Speaker 1: USC and then having that fall apart at the end

2021
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:17,200
Speaker 1: of the game and then have an Arizona State team

2022
01:57:17,200 --> 01:57:20,080
Speaker 1: that also lost to USC beat you by sixty three.

2023
01:57:20,640 --> 01:57:23,680
Speaker 1: Something happened to that team to where they quit, they

2024
01:57:23,720 --> 01:57:26,920
Speaker 1: gave up. So they have to just not get embarrassed.

2025
01:57:26,960 --> 01:57:28,800
Speaker 1: That's really what it comes down to, every game needs

2026
01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:31,360
Speaker 1: to be competitive. They don't even gotta win. They don't

2027
01:57:31,400 --> 01:57:34,200
Speaker 1: even have to win. They could go they can't go

2028
01:57:34,240 --> 01:57:36,480
Speaker 1: oh and twelve, but they have to Like it's like that,

2029
01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:40,400
Speaker 1: uh to East Dillon season. Yeah remember the East still

2030
01:57:40,440 --> 01:57:43,440
Speaker 1: in season of Friday Night Lights where they lost everything

2031
01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:45,920
Speaker 1: Friday Night Light. Oh, that's right, you and I gotta

2032
01:57:45,960 --> 01:57:48,440
Speaker 1: go through that and make it part of our content.

2033
01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:50,760
Speaker 1: But um, I don't want to spoil it. But there

2034
01:57:50,920 --> 01:57:55,320
Speaker 1: is a season in which the team is very bad,

2035
01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:58,600
Speaker 1: gets better over time, and then finally figures it out

2036
01:57:58,640 --> 01:58:02,400
Speaker 1: and wins a game one game. But you have to

2037
01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:04,520
Speaker 1: see improvement, you have to see effort, and you can't

2038
01:58:04,560 --> 01:58:06,240
Speaker 1: get him back. Think that they need to do what

2039
01:58:06,360 --> 01:58:10,640
Speaker 1: Jonathan Smith did in the Pack twelve that that where

2040
01:58:10,720 --> 01:58:14,880
Speaker 1: his first year where like they still lost, but it

2041
01:58:15,040 --> 01:58:18,280
Speaker 1: just was you could look and say, Okay, this is

2042
01:58:18,360 --> 01:58:21,360
Speaker 1: a better we did not get how in the fourth

2043
01:58:21,440 --> 01:58:26,560
Speaker 1: quarter we actually thought we could win right, also established

2044
01:58:26,560 --> 01:58:29,560
Speaker 1: a quarterback to find a guy who's gonna be like

2045
01:58:30,320 --> 01:58:32,360
Speaker 1: that that if they if if we get to the

2046
01:58:32,440 --> 01:58:36,320
Speaker 1: end of the year going for the last three years, basically,

2047
01:58:36,600 --> 01:58:38,840
Speaker 1: if we get to the end of the season and

2048
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:40,960
Speaker 1: they still don't know who the starter is going into

2049
01:58:41,040 --> 01:58:44,600
Speaker 1: next year. That's a huge problem. Yeah, I would agree

2050
01:58:44,640 --> 01:58:53,240
Speaker 1: with that, Um, what do we have left in this oh? Utah?

2051
01:58:53,280 --> 01:58:58,960
Speaker 1: This is a tough one for me because I I

2052
01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:01,840
Speaker 1: don't know what to do with them. I don't think

2053
01:59:01,840 --> 01:59:05,440
Speaker 1: they're that good. But meanwhile, Kyle Whittingham, who never really

2054
01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:10,400
Speaker 1: evangelizes about his talent, is kind of out there doing it. Yeah,

2055
01:59:11,600 --> 01:59:14,720
Speaker 1: they're they're replacing the quarterback, they're placing the running back,

2056
01:59:14,920 --> 01:59:18,240
Speaker 1: they're replacing their lead receiver, they're replacing people on the

2057
01:59:18,280 --> 01:59:23,480
Speaker 1: offensive and defensive line and defensive backfield. So are they

2058
01:59:23,520 --> 01:59:25,120
Speaker 1: just going to do the thing again where they've got

2059
01:59:25,200 --> 01:59:29,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of people UM left in the in a

2060
01:59:29,200 --> 01:59:31,080
Speaker 1: bunch of bullets left in the chamber to get them

2061
01:59:31,080 --> 01:59:33,800
Speaker 1: back to being competitive for eight or nine wins. I

2062
01:59:33,800 --> 01:59:36,080
Speaker 1: would tell you anything under eight wins is a disappointment.

2063
01:59:36,080 --> 01:59:37,520
Speaker 1: And I have them going eight and four and finishing

2064
01:59:37,560 --> 01:59:39,560
Speaker 1: fourth in the in the PacTel South. And I think

2065
01:59:39,600 --> 01:59:41,720
Speaker 1: that that's something that Utah fans will be disappointed with

2066
01:59:42,240 --> 01:59:47,080
Speaker 1: UM and and maybe should be. But what if what

2067
01:59:47,200 --> 01:59:53,160
Speaker 1: if Whittingham's right? If Whittingham is right, and they win

2068
01:59:53,240 --> 01:59:56,560
Speaker 1: the Pact twelve South. That means that, oh my god,

2069
01:59:56,640 --> 02:00:01,800
Speaker 1: that means that Chip Kelly and Clay Hilton and Herm

2070
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:06,640
Speaker 1: Edwards are doing a very poor job right now and

2071
02:00:06,240 --> 02:00:09,360
Speaker 1: and and that's not a disc to Utah. It's just

2072
02:00:09,920 --> 02:00:13,800
Speaker 1: that you know that these teams seem to have more

2073
02:00:13,840 --> 02:00:17,200
Speaker 1: talent on them. Um, they have to go to in

2074
02:00:17,280 --> 02:00:20,320
Speaker 1: one against because I think they'll beat Colorado and I

2075
02:00:20,320 --> 02:00:22,080
Speaker 1: think they'll beat you of A. They have to go

2076
02:00:22,160 --> 02:00:25,200
Speaker 1: to in one against the usc U C l A

2077
02:00:25,200 --> 02:00:30,720
Speaker 1: Arizona State Triumbrate. They have to nine and three, nine

2078
02:00:30,760 --> 02:00:33,200
Speaker 1: and three and beating one of the l A teams

2079
02:00:33,600 --> 02:00:39,640
Speaker 1: is a very good season. How about Colorado because they're

2080
02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:42,720
Speaker 1: in a conundrum because they don't have a quarterback and

2081
02:00:42,800 --> 02:00:44,880
Speaker 1: their backup court the guy who was going to be

2082
02:00:44,920 --> 02:00:50,920
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback he transferred out. Dude. Their game versus

2083
02:00:50,960 --> 02:00:57,560
Speaker 1: Texas A and M on September eleven, they could get

2084
02:00:57,600 --> 02:01:02,360
Speaker 1: beat seventy to seven. Yeah. Um, success for Colorado looks

2085
02:01:02,400 --> 02:01:04,200
Speaker 1: like one thing to me because this is actually what's

2086
02:01:04,200 --> 02:01:06,240
Speaker 1: going to determine what things look like next year for them,

2087
02:01:06,360 --> 02:01:09,000
Speaker 1: because they do have some very talented players on this roster.

2088
02:01:11,080 --> 02:01:14,040
Speaker 1: What does that one thing, look like, keep Brendan Lewis

2089
02:01:14,080 --> 02:01:16,880
Speaker 1: off the ground. If you can keep Brendan Lewis off

2090
02:01:16,920 --> 02:01:19,320
Speaker 1: the ground, if you can actually give him time to throw,

2091
02:01:20,040 --> 02:01:23,480
Speaker 1: he has plenty of weapons. He's actually a very good quarterback,

2092
02:01:24,360 --> 02:01:27,200
Speaker 1: potentially kind of underrated coming out of high school in Dallas.

2093
02:01:28,040 --> 02:01:32,400
Speaker 1: He protects the football. He's like most Colorado quarterbacks. He's

2094
02:01:32,440 --> 02:01:38,120
Speaker 1: like physically supermature. Keep him off the ground. Keep him

2095
02:01:38,120 --> 02:01:41,000
Speaker 1: off the ground. Don't make it to where he has

2096
02:01:41,040 --> 02:01:45,960
Speaker 1: to extend too many um drives with his legs. He'll

2097
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:48,520
Speaker 1: do it. He rushed for like thirty yards in high school.

2098
02:01:48,520 --> 02:01:51,360
Speaker 1: He can move. But if you keep him off the

2099
02:01:51,400 --> 02:01:54,920
Speaker 1: ground and give him time to throw, then that means

2100
02:01:54,920 --> 02:01:56,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a little bit of success in the

2101
02:01:56,360 --> 02:01:59,160
Speaker 1: passing game, which will keep people from stacking the box

2102
02:01:59,720 --> 02:02:05,120
Speaker 1: and making sure that Brossard isn't an effective weapon. So

2103
02:02:05,200 --> 02:02:07,760
Speaker 1: I would say, if you can, if you can have

2104
02:02:08,160 --> 02:02:13,560
Speaker 1: Brendan Lewis get sacked under thirty times this year, then

2105
02:02:13,880 --> 02:02:18,840
Speaker 1: you were set up for a pretty good season next year. Yeah.

2106
02:02:19,520 --> 02:02:21,880
Speaker 1: In in in all seriousness, you'd love to be able

2107
02:02:21,880 --> 02:02:24,120
Speaker 1: to compete for a Bowl. You'd love for things to

2108
02:02:24,160 --> 02:02:29,640
Speaker 1: come together. Um but this is gonna it's gonna be

2109
02:02:29,640 --> 02:02:32,360
Speaker 1: tough starting a freshman. It's gonna be real tough starting

2110
02:02:32,360 --> 02:02:37,800
Speaker 1: a freshman, especially when the freshman wasn't wasn't the guy

2111
02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:39,600
Speaker 1: that was probably gonna be win the starting job. It

2112
02:02:39,640 --> 02:02:41,280
Speaker 1: was probably gonna be j. T. Shroud who tore his

2113
02:02:41,320 --> 02:02:46,040
Speaker 1: knee up. So um to me, success looks like Brendan

2114
02:02:46,120 --> 02:02:51,000
Speaker 1: lewis not not getting destroyed by Texas and M's defensive

2115
02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:54,040
Speaker 1: line or anybody else's defensive line. Keep him up right,

2116
02:02:54,240 --> 02:02:56,840
Speaker 1: you'll be competitive most of the season, and then going

2117
02:02:56,880 --> 02:03:00,120
Speaker 1: into next year, everybody will say, well, Colorado had the

2118
02:03:00,240 --> 02:03:03,080
Speaker 1: established quarterback, while U c. L A's quarterback is gone.

2119
02:03:03,600 --> 02:03:07,480
Speaker 1: Um Arizona States quarterback might be gone. USC's quarterback has gone.

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Speaker 1: The one team in the pack twelve South with a

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Speaker 1: quarterback you can trust is Colorado. You'll have You'll be

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Speaker 1: able to flip the narrative headed into next year if

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Speaker 1: you can make him look halfway competent. And I think

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Speaker 1: he's a good quarterback and I think he'll do well

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Speaker 1: as long as he's not having a fight for his life.

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Speaker 1: You know, uh final team is the Eras. Uh we

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Speaker 1: we didn't miss anybody, right, No, I don't think so is.

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Speaker 1: And I saved them for last on purpose because I

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Speaker 1: know that you're gonna have a lot to say about

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Speaker 1: them about what this success looked like for the team

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Speaker 1: that you picked to win the pack twelve and go

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Speaker 1: at eleven and one, Uh, they gotta win and and

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Speaker 1: even then, I mean, it's just gonna be like a

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Speaker 1: fond memory because this staff is not gonna be back.

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Speaker 1: So they're done. They're done, so they might as well

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Speaker 1: win it all that would That's a pipe dream, bro,

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Speaker 1: that's a pipe dream. The best the s U fans

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02:04:06,120 --> 02:04:08,560
Speaker 1: I think can hope for is the brand equity that

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Speaker 1: comes with winning, because it's not the iterational nine in three,

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Speaker 1: which I think that they have a shot to do.

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Speaker 1: And you got them at eleven and one, which I

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Speaker 1: think is craziness. But there, who do you think that?

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Speaker 1: Who do you think I have them losing to? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so Southern Utah, you U n l v B, y

2145
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Speaker 1: U Colorado all look like wins, right, okay? Um, so

2146
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Speaker 1: that they should start the season out four and oh

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Speaker 1: then they play at U c l A, which is

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Speaker 1: an iffy game because U c l A has beat

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Speaker 1: them continuously and especially in u c l A. So

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Speaker 1: I think that they are going to lose that game,

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Speaker 1: the Stanford game, depending on how Stanford is, that's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a tight game. That's my loss. That's my one loss.

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Speaker 1: At you at Utah is gonna be tough. Um, Washington

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Speaker 1: State will be fine versus USC because USC it when

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Speaker 1: when they get into a seven on seven game. USC

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02:05:16,040 --> 02:05:19,520
Speaker 1: is better at the seven on seven game. UM at

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Speaker 1: Washington is gonna be a nightmare. Uh, following by at

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Speaker 1: Oregon State and one of them fall games because that's

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Speaker 1: probably gonna be like a damn eight pm kickoff, and

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Speaker 1: then Arizona they will win. So I got them losing one.

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Speaker 1: I think they'll either lose Washington or Oregon State. So

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Speaker 1: that's one right there. I think they'll lose to U

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Speaker 1: c l A, lose to either Utah or Stanford. That's three,

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Speaker 1: and then USC. So I got them eight and eight

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Speaker 1: and four. Okay. I think that. Uh it's weird because

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Speaker 1: none of this matters because who are we talking. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about the coaching staff and the program moving forward,

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Speaker 1: like what would be successful to set them up for

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Speaker 1: future success, right, and what would what would the fan bases?

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Speaker 1: There's nothing they can do. There is no future. There's

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Speaker 1: not a future for this staff. Maybe there's not a

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Speaker 1: future for maybe like the like, like literally the whole

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Speaker 1: house is probably going to be clean, like there might

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Speaker 1: not be a future for the janitors. It's not yeah,

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Speaker 1: and and that's just and at this point, it's just

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Speaker 1: that we would continue to be priving you more information

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Speaker 1: than most people on this. It's it's done, so you

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Speaker 1: might as well win. In my head, I would love

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Speaker 1: to see them go out backs against the wall. None

2180
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Speaker 1: of it matters anyway, because they're gonna have to clean house.

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Speaker 1: The internal review that a s U is doing right

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Speaker 1: now does not include the interviewing of any staff uh

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Speaker 1: that have been suspended, because they know that if they

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Speaker 1: interview staff that's been suspended, they're gonna have to suspend

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Speaker 1: more people. So a s U hasn't actually interviewed anyone.

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Speaker 1: They've just reviewed the documents and made recommendations based on

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Speaker 1: the documents. They have talked to anybody. They have not

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Speaker 1: gone and said, hey, guys, what do you know, right,

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Speaker 1: because if they did, it would ruin like you can't

2190
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Speaker 1: you can't do that at this point, you can't do that.

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Speaker 1: So they just got to and I think that they can.

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Speaker 1: I think that they'll have a heck up against Stanford.

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Speaker 1: I don't like the way the schedule uh lines up

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Speaker 1: there for them, but I think that if everybody stays healthy.

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Speaker 1: I love this offensive line. I absolutely love the running game,

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Speaker 1: and you're not gonna have Jade and Daniels give the

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Speaker 1: ball away. So if you're not turning the ball over

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Speaker 1: and you've got a dominant running game and your secondary

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Speaker 1: is as good as it is and your linebacking corps

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Speaker 1: is as good as it is, I think the one

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Speaker 1: place where you might run into a little bit of

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Speaker 1: an issue is Stanford style. That's it. And I think,

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Speaker 1: isn't that game like a Thursday or Friday or something

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Speaker 1: weird like that? Too? Is on a Yes, it's on

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Speaker 1: a Friday, I believe, and it is a short rest Friday, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because it's they play U C. L A on Saturday

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Speaker 1: and then they come right act can play Stanford. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I don't like that game. The rest of them

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Speaker 1: for me or a toss up, and I could talk

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Speaker 1: myself into winning, into into them winning every single of them.

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Speaker 1: So I said eleven and one. I don't know what's

2212
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Speaker 1: going to happen in the Pack twelve championship. I think

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Speaker 1: that I'm I might be the only person out there

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Speaker 1: that thinks it's a s U. Washington. Um m M,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you entertained. Oh my god. Okay, cool, cool,

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Speaker 1: Well that's a great way to in fact, well apostles today. Guys.

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Speaker 1: We will catch you next week, but first I'll give

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Speaker 1: Ralph the final word. I won't say anything after. Um yeah, Now,

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Speaker 1: this is great doing this podcast with you and I

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Speaker 1: really I really enjoy a relationship and the confidence that

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Speaker 1: you you haven't and me and my prognostication of Thanks George,

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Speaker 1: have a good week, everybody,