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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us for an episode of Nightcap.
Speaker 2: I am your favorite own Jan and Sharp. That guy
Speaker 2: right there is your favorite Liberty City native. He's a
Speaker 2: Bengal Ring of Fame monterie. He's a pro bowler. He's
Speaker 2: an all pro. That's Chad Ocho Cinko Johnson, Jeff calling Mojo.
Speaker 2: According to Adams as chef to Bill Belichick, scene is
Speaker 2: a likely to be among Jerry Jones' top head coach options.
Speaker 2: Chef to said lots of speculations swirling about the cowboyd
Speaker 2: what the Cowboys would do, even thought about coach Belichick
Speaker 2: having been spotted in Dallas last week. It can be
Speaker 2: confirmed that Bill Belichick was in Dallas last week, but
Speaker 2: it wasn't to meet with the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: It was for a previous speaking engagement.
Speaker 2: Still, that doesn't start the idea that there are people
Speaker 2: across the league who continue to believe that coach Belichick
Speaker 2: would be one of the top considerations for Jerry Jones.
Speaker 2: After the season, Bill was not pleased with Dallas effort
Speaker 2: tonight against Joe Mixon.
Speaker 3: Go tackling. You wear pass for a reason, go tackling.
Speaker 1: I don't see it. I don't see it.
Speaker 5: If you understand for those that are in the chat,
Speaker 5: if you understand how Bill is, if you understand how
Speaker 5: he runs the ship, how he runs his ship, one
Speaker 5: of the main things that he talks about is not talking,
Speaker 5: no bulletin board material, keeping quiet, and to have an
Speaker 5: owner like Jerry Jones at the front and center of everything.
Speaker 5: I think maybe he would like it in a sense,
Speaker 5: the fact that it takes away from him having to
Speaker 5: talk and being front of the cameron, in front of
Speaker 5: the media. He takes that spotlight. I think it's something
Speaker 5: that Bill might not like, But I think he gives
Speaker 5: too much balloons, board material to the other team and
Speaker 5: unnecessary pressure on the players as well.
Speaker 2: But what happens when coach Belichick comes in and say
Speaker 2: this roster is not good enough to compete. Everybody on
Speaker 2: that roster is there at the behest of Jerry. How
Speaker 2: is that going to make Jerry look when he said
Speaker 2: nobody could do a better job selecting these players than me,
Speaker 2: and Coach Belichick comes in there and says.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's a conversation that would we had way beforehand.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure if even you know, Bill was able
Speaker 5: to even think about taking the taking the job in Dallas.
Speaker 5: I mean, he would understand obviously I don't have a
Speaker 5: roster to be able to compete, and he would probably
Speaker 5: tell Jerry, you know, noring Bill, who is a very,
Speaker 5: very honest if you're able to talk to him one
Speaker 5: on one, man, Jerry, you you lie, not not only
Speaker 5: to yourself, you lie to the fancy.
Speaker 2: Chall You got some fuzzs on your neck, bro, Yeah
Speaker 2: I got it, Yeah you got I know you didn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead, it's gone.
Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, appreciate that appreciation. You're a good dude, because
Speaker 5: you could just have me up here all fussy the
Speaker 5: whole show. I appreciate that. Yeah, hey, but hey yo,
Speaker 5: not knowing Bill, knowing Bill, oh Man, He'll tell Jerry
Speaker 5: right away. Listen, I can't do nothing with this. I
Speaker 5: can't numb with this. Don't don't give me scrapped and
Speaker 5: I'm not I don't mean to be disrespectful of the player.
Speaker 5: Don't give me scrapped and tell me to make it
Speaker 5: gourmet meal.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be able to do it. It's not gonna
Speaker 1: work right.
Speaker 3: It's just hard.
Speaker 2: And I know people have said that Coach Belichick says
Speaker 2: he doesn't need control, but it's hard when you've had
Speaker 2: control for two plus decades that all of a sudden says,
Speaker 2: you know what, I answer to a GM or I
Speaker 2: got a pro personnel director, and I got an answer
Speaker 2: to the owner when you've never had you had a
Speaker 2: direct line.
Speaker 3: Of communication straight to the owner.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it can't happen, but it's just hard
Speaker 2: for me to believe to see a scenario that he
Speaker 2: can just give up that kind of autonomy.
Speaker 5: For a long understanding the way Bill runs his ship
Speaker 5: in order, and I don't need you in my way.
Speaker 5: I don't need you in my way and doing what
Speaker 5: it takes the Bill a contender.
Speaker 1: I know what it takes. You've done it before. You
Speaker 1: have super ring I have superol rings.
Speaker 5: I think, I think, if I'm not mistaken, Bill has
Speaker 5: two more than two more than the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: Right, uh he has he has wings. The Cowboys have five,
Speaker 2: but he has two as a defensive coordinator. Damn, so
Speaker 2: he has eight total. He went to with the Giants.
Speaker 2: He was decordinated with the giantson.
Speaker 5: At that point, Jerry said, you know what, I give
Speaker 5: you the rings if I'm just saying hypothetically speaking, if
Speaker 5: it's if it's ever to happen, Jerry had to take
Speaker 5: a seat. He gotta take a seat. He gotta take
Speaker 5: a back seat. Bill does what he's already done. He's
Speaker 5: already done. He knows what it tasts and this time,
Speaker 5: in this era, he knows what the ross needs to
Speaker 5: look like. He knows what pieces need to do when
Speaker 5: it comes draft. When it comes draft time, nobody does
Speaker 5: it better than Bill when it comes to breaking down
Speaker 5: for him and understanding what type of players I.
Speaker 1: Need to be a team where Jerry relinquish that power.
Speaker 2: Well, Jerry like names Bill like guys that fit a
Speaker 2: particular scheme. He likes smart players. He liked players that fit.
Speaker 2: A safety it will be a certain size, a linebacker
Speaker 2: to be a certain size, defensive lineman to be a
Speaker 2: certain size.
Speaker 3: It's hard.
Speaker 2: Everybody can't play D line in the scheme because his
Speaker 2: D line is to eat up players and let the
Speaker 2: linebacker free flow and go make plays. That's how he operates.
Speaker 2: He's a two gap guy. He doesn't want you to
Speaker 2: run the football. Everybody has a responsibility. Do your responsibility,
Speaker 2: and I think this is work. I'm gonna put you
Speaker 2: in the right situation for you to do your job.
Speaker 2: But it's gonna be very interesting to see what the
Speaker 2: Cowboys do for the rest of the season. Joe Burrow
Speaker 2: is on pace to finish the season as an early
Speaker 2: vacation despite leading the NFL in passing yards in passing touchdown.
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow is projected to finish with four hundred and
Speaker 2: forty six hundred and eighty yards, forty two touchdowns, and
Speaker 2: six interception, which should potentially win in the MVP. But
Speaker 2: guess what, he ain't gonna get no votes, but instead
Speaker 2: he has a sub five hundred record in his team
Speaker 2: as a joke through the first eleven game, the Bengals
Speaker 2: are four and seven. Joe has three thousand, two hundred
Speaker 2: three thousand, twenty eight passing yards, twenty seven touchdowns and
Speaker 2: four interceptions. Players to achieve three thousand passing yards, twenty
Speaker 2: seven plus touchdowns and a five or fewer interceptions through
Speaker 2: eleven games. Tom Brady in twenty seven, two thousand seven
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen one season, he was sixteen to old. The
Speaker 2: other season he was thirteen and three. Aaron Rodgers in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, In twenty eleven, twenty twenty one, and twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: excuse me, he was fifteen and one, thirteen and three.
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes in twenty twenty was fourteen and two. Drew
Speaker 2: Brees twenty eighteen, he was thirteen and three.
Speaker 3: You'll see.
Speaker 2: I think Brady won MVP in both of those seasons,
Speaker 2: didn't he? Aaron Rodgers? I think Aaron Rodgers won the
Speaker 2: MVP in both of those seasons. I think Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 2: won the MVP.
Speaker 5: So because he's four and seven, regards what the numbers
Speaker 5: numbers are, there's no way you win.
Speaker 1: Well, was is Jery Golf? Jered Golf and Josh.
Speaker 3: Well, you got Jery golf playing well enough to win it.
Speaker 3: You got.
Speaker 2: In Buffalo, Josh Allen playing well enough, you got, say,
Speaker 2: Kawan Barkley. So how do you give it to a
Speaker 2: guy because at the end of the day, he putting
Speaker 2: up all those stats in a losing effort, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, if he was winning, Oh Joe, Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's just say, for the sake of argument, I ain't
Speaker 2: saying he needed to be ten and one, but let's
Speaker 2: just say, for the sake of argument, he's seven and
Speaker 2: three and one or he's eighty three. Now we got
Speaker 2: a whole different discussion with those types of numbers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, he's having he's having a head of receiver.
Speaker 2: He's the head of a player. Yeah, he's the number
Speaker 2: one overall pick part reason he got two outstanding receivers
Speaker 2: his defense, and he has to put up those type
Speaker 2: numbers because the defense is bad.
Speaker 3: Oh Choe.
Speaker 2: People want to know, is Joe Burrow being wasted in Cincinnati?
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I wouldn't say. I wouldn't say
Speaker 2: you're being wasted in Cincinnati. Think about it hypothetically speaking. Obviously,
Speaker 2: Joe's going to be there for a decade, a decade
Speaker 2: plus or more. Where else can he go? Where else
Speaker 2: would he go? Where wouldn't be wasted?
Speaker 5: Because all the other opportunities and another chances for him
Speaker 5: to be on the team that is good, that had
Speaker 5: the chance to win a Super Bowl already have quarterbacks. Huh,
Speaker 5: think about it, even if you throw it a hypothetical,
Speaker 5: what situation would be better than what he's in right
Speaker 5: now with the offense that he has, even though the
Speaker 5: defense is bad, any team that has a good defense,
Speaker 5: I guarantee they already have a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Think about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I mean, as I understand what it's
Speaker 5: still saying and saying, you know, it's being wasted. But
Speaker 5: there's a reason he's a quarterback. So the point of
Speaker 5: what they have to do is every team is a
Speaker 5: quarterback away from winning a Super Bowl or being able
Speaker 5: to contend. So the Bengals are in a position to
Speaker 5: contend year in and year out because of who they
Speaker 5: have at they hand on at quarterback. Now that what
Speaker 5: you have to do is you gotta build around him.
Speaker 5: They already build around him offensively. Now you got to
Speaker 5: build the defense or gets.
Speaker 2: Well, it's gonna caut it's gonna hurt you because you
Speaker 2: got a quarterback on maxim money, a receiver that's not
Speaker 2: gonna give you a discount because you jerked him around.
Speaker 2: So what you could have got in to, say, one
Speaker 2: hundred and forty five million, is gonna probably cost you
Speaker 2: one fifty five one sixty and he's gonna want ninety
Speaker 2: million in guaranteed money. So that's the problem that you're
Speaker 2: running too. When you kick the can down the road,
Speaker 2: it's a great thing to have because that means the
Speaker 2: guy that you selected in the first round you hit
Speaker 2: on the bad news is you gotta pay him. You're
Speaker 2: probably gonna think about it. Oh Joe, you're probably gonna
Speaker 2: lose Hendrickson, Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3: Remember he wanted more money.
Speaker 1: Right now too.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, you're gonna lose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got you need a D tackle? You need
Speaker 1: a D tackle?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Will you let rider go? So y'all got your
Speaker 3: work cut out for you.
Speaker 2: Over kicker Evan McPherson has basically toss the Bengals three
Speaker 2: to four wins and lost the KC twenty six, twenty five.
Speaker 2: He mixed your extra point lost to Washington. He missed
Speaker 2: the field goal thirty thirty three, lost to Baltimore missed
Speaker 2: the field goal forty one thirty eight lost to the Chargers.
Speaker 2: He missed two field goals thirty four to twenty seven. Hey,
Speaker 2: same thing with Justin Tucker.
Speaker 5: You know, I think I think we can go down
Speaker 5: to a list of numerous games that have happened throughout
Speaker 5: the season where I hate saying it where it shouldn't
Speaker 5: come down to the kicker, but it actually comes down
Speaker 5: to the kicker's foot.
Speaker 1: It actually comes down to him being.
Speaker 5: Damn what's the word I'm looking for for kickers with
Speaker 5: him being accurate, you know, for the lack of better
Speaker 5: time terms. And yes, that's a very very very tough
Speaker 5: spot to be in where you can't miss field goals.
Speaker 5: The gold posts a lot more, a lot, a lot
Speaker 5: narrower now being being able to being able to hit him.
Speaker 5: You know, I heard Justin Tucker, you know, complain about
Speaker 5: about the surface and listen, it had nothing to do
Speaker 5: with that, it all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh Joe, Yeah, let me ask your question, what
Speaker 2: if I put Joe What if I put Joe Burry
Speaker 2: in Minnesota with that defense?
Speaker 3: He still got JJ, he got.
Speaker 1: Adamson, but they got JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 5: So as as a hypothetical speaking on it, you might
Speaker 5: get him the trophy.
Speaker 2: Josh Allen has officially overtaken Lamar as the MVP front runner.
Speaker 2: Josh Allen is now a plus one fifty. Lamar Jackson
Speaker 2: if a plus two hundred, Jared Goff is a plus
Speaker 2: six hundred, Jalen Hurts is fourth with plus twelve hundred.
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes is plus thirteen hundred, and Kyler Murray is
Speaker 2: plus fifteen hundred. And the regular season, Josh Allen has
Speaker 2: passed for two thousand, five hundred forty three yards eight
Speaker 2: which is seventh, eighteen touchdowns which is six, five interceptions.
Speaker 2: He's tied for fifth. I mean, he's tied for fifty seventh,
Speaker 2: which is a good thing. And if QBR of seventy
Speaker 2: two point six puts him in fourth Lamar, He's second
Speaker 2: in passing yards two thousand, eight hundred and seventy six.
Speaker 2: He's second in touchdowns twenty five. He's tied for forty
Speaker 2: seven with three interceptions. He's number two in QBR seventy
Speaker 2: five point one.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know what, you know, what's funny everything?
Speaker 5: You just ran it down, Yes, sir golf probably golfing
Speaker 5: and Josh Allen obviously being the back and forth, It's
Speaker 5: gonna change because with Lamar. Lamar is not gonna play
Speaker 5: another bad game like he did against the against the Steelers,
Speaker 5: He's gonna come out and he's going to be the
Speaker 5: front runner again. Can then go out and he's gonna
Speaker 5: put on an unbelievableformance. I'm not sure who. I'm not
Speaker 5: sure what their schedule is or who they're playing next,
Speaker 5: but the other teams aren't used to him.
Speaker 1: It's not a divisional game. It's not going to be
Speaker 1: a divisional game.
Speaker 5: They're not going to have the structured defense to be
Speaker 5: able to contain him the way the Steelers do. The
Speaker 5: Steelers are built to be able to stop a player
Speaker 5: like himself because they're used to seeing him and understanding
Speaker 5: that team's tendencies offensively. So he gonna come out, he's
Speaker 5: gonna have one hell of a day, do some crazy
Speaker 5: stuff on the ground, do some crazy stuff in the air,
Speaker 5: and he's gonna be back at the number one spot
Speaker 5: to an MVP.
Speaker 1: I guarantee, you guarantee.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, look, I mean he has another
Speaker 2: game against the Steelers. Steelers have given them problems. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he has another game but this game is at home
Speaker 2: against the Steelers. Uh, what who the hell they got
Speaker 2: the Steelers? I think they got another game against Cleveland. Yeah,
Speaker 2: at Chargers this week. He's at the Chargers this week.
Speaker 2: Eagles at home at Giants home versus the Steelers, at
Speaker 2: Texans home versus the Brown So it ain't.
Speaker 5: Again every every team you just name don't have the
Speaker 5: personnel like the Steelers dude to be able to stop
Speaker 5: what he's able to do and what he does, Well.
Speaker 2: What about the personnel is going up against his defense?
Speaker 2: What about the Eagles offense against that defense? What about
Speaker 2: the Texans offense against that?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 1: Hey, can I tell you something? The people do you
Speaker 1: do know?
Speaker 5: Your raven team is dead last in the secondary when
Speaker 5: it comes against the pasty.
Speaker 2: I've been trying, but see what I tell people that
Speaker 2: They say, Well, you're trying to, you trying to.
Speaker 3: I know, I'm if.
Speaker 2: You see that when people tell me, oh, now you
Speaker 2: could tell Shannon to watch the game. You watching it,
Speaker 2: but you don't know what the hell you're looking for.
Speaker 2: You're like a blind dog in the meathouse. You can't
Speaker 2: tell me fronts, you can't tell me coverages, you can't
Speaker 2: tell me formations. You can't tell me anything. All you
Speaker 2: watching for is touchdowns in sacks. I'm watching to understand
Speaker 2: why they have success. So while you tell me I'm
Speaker 2: not watching it, you watching it, but you don't know
Speaker 2: what the hell you looking at. It's like you're watching
Speaker 2: a farm fre them and they got something. Unless they
Speaker 2: give you subtitles, you don't know what the hell you
Speaker 2: looking at. I've been telling them, but they gave me excute. Wait,
Speaker 2: did this guy comes back? Waiting that guy comes back? Well,
Speaker 2: I saw you guys in there when you had those
Speaker 2: guys and your defense was still bad in.
Speaker 1: Past the much better stop the run that that that
Speaker 1: second level.
Speaker 2: At some point time, fans gonna have to understand everybody
Speaker 2: is not a hater. Sometimes people are just trying to
Speaker 2: give you information. Our job is sometimes to be is
Speaker 2: to be entertaining, is to be informative, to be educational.
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, I say a lot of things.
Speaker 2: In a joke in manner, but I'm actually giving you
Speaker 2: factual information if you just listen to it. But you
Speaker 2: don't want to because you want to paint this narrative that, oh,
Speaker 2: Shannon is a hater. But listen, what Shannon said when
Speaker 2: it comes back what I tell you. Then you're talking
Speaker 2: about oh, oh, I could captain obvious. Well you didn't
Speaker 2: say it, right, But people don't. Just don't want to
Speaker 2: give no credit. Boy that people don't want to get
Speaker 2: no credit. Because if I didn't, if I didn't say it,
Speaker 2: why didn't you say that before I said it, when
Speaker 2: I knew that. No, you didn't, because I take you
Speaker 2: to the black I'll take you to the board and say, oh,
Speaker 2: draw me a cover six, draw me cover seven, give
Speaker 2: me fire zone. Okay, give me this formation, give me
Speaker 2: this protection. I want you to read therect what you.
Speaker 3: Mean by that? No, you know, if you're watching the game,
Speaker 3: you should know.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think the casual the casual fan
Speaker 1: can't do that.
Speaker 3: Hell no, they can't.
Speaker 2: But they just want to jump on your timeline and
Speaker 2: try to try to Well, he ain't watching the game.
Speaker 2: I am watching the game. I also know that when
Speaker 2: you throw the ball more than your running at a raven,
Speaker 2: you lose. I mean that's what I do right there.
Speaker 2: I the one that's saying put Derick Henry in the eye.
Speaker 2: Ain't nobody else say that? I said it from the
Speaker 2: drug Otoe I say he's not his own read back
Speaker 2: because he's a long striter and you don't get you
Speaker 2: and he needs time to be able to redirect when
Speaker 2: you put him that close to the line. He's such
Speaker 2: a long striter he can't read the back to feet.
Speaker 2: Barry Sanders, a short strater, can do it.
Speaker 3: He perfect.
Speaker 2: That's perfect for him. But Dereck Henry needs to be
Speaker 2: able to change direction. He needs to be able to
Speaker 2: check his feet and cut back, get back downhill. That's
Speaker 2: why you put his heels at eight. You tossed it
Speaker 2: to him, You hand it to him and boom. Now,
Speaker 2: whoever drew up that damn play that they tossed that
Speaker 2: ball to Darick Henry and then let TJ.
Speaker 3: Watt come in down and blow his ass up.
Speaker 2: They should have put him back there running back and
Speaker 2: let the same thing happened.
Speaker 3: Don't block t J. Watt and let TJ watk I
Speaker 3: mean t J. Watt knock his.
Speaker 5: Answer at the right tackle. Should have known better. I'm
Speaker 5: not sure what the block of assignment was, but why
Speaker 5: would you let t J. Watt run Scott free with
Speaker 5: the pitch even though the pitch is going the opposite way.
Speaker 5: Still every time I get there every time.
Speaker 2: Yes, I just like, I'm like, who who thought that
Speaker 2: was a good idea? Hey, we're gonna run this tall
Speaker 2: play week, but we're gonna unblock t J watt okay,
Speaker 2: and you see what happened. Damn there got digger. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's why I stopped playing running back because
Speaker 2: I got tired of my bad shot. Well, it ain't
Speaker 2: your bad. I way down the damn field. I ain't
Speaker 2: got to worry about my band. I ain't got to
Speaker 2: worry about my bad on your I got tired of
Speaker 2: you bad.
Speaker 3: That's me. That's old me.
Speaker 2: Bro dude, got me looking at my ear hole. But
Speaker 2: you talking about your band?
Speaker 3: Do he?
Speaker 1: He speaking of that thinking.
Speaker 5: About how bad it is for quarterbacks when the old
Speaker 5: line is playing bad, when they can't block, and the
Speaker 5: quarterback continued to get over and over and over and
Speaker 5: you can't fuss with them, then you have to keep
Speaker 5: your your mannerisms and and your intel expressions has.
Speaker 1: To be on point. You do matter how many times
Speaker 1: you get hit in the game. Imagine I wanted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh Joe with let me ask you a question.
Speaker 2: Right when the Cowboys fell behind by ten thirteen points,
Speaker 2: with no thread to run the game. What you think
Speaker 2: the Texans thinking, Yeah, they ain't playing for no drawn,
Speaker 2: They're not playing for no run. They pitting their ears back.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 2: Everybody in the stadium know you're not gonna run it.
Speaker 2: And now you made it very. It's very I don't
Speaker 2: care who your offensive lineman are. You let them jokers
Speaker 2: know that every single down you're gonna throw it.
Speaker 1: Make no sense.
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones was demoted to third string quarterback with the
Speaker 2: two and a Giants on their bye week. This was
Speaker 2: a logical time to change and give a backup Danny DeVito,
Speaker 2: who has chosen over number two quarterback Drew Lot to prepare. O, yo,
Speaker 2: if I'm gonna lose, I don't want nobody to get anything,
Speaker 2: any chance or thank you. We're gonna win this game.
Speaker 2: Lot gonna go in there and try to win this
Speaker 2: game and try to show he deserves a chance.
Speaker 1: No, Danny, Danny, Danny the veto not that bad.
Speaker 3: Now, man.
Speaker 2: Look here, Danny de Vito. That's exactly right. You got
Speaker 2: his name right, Danny de Vito, his real name, Tommy Danny. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's him, that's him. Yeah, he's gonna get you. He
Speaker 2: gonna give you the same results as Danny Veto.
Speaker 5: You want to make a little bet, you want to
Speaker 5: make a little bit coming out to buy come out
Speaker 5: of the bye for the Giants.
Speaker 3: The only thing that abuy is this season bye Tommy.
Speaker 3: But think about yes, think about this. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Drew Locke was the second string. They promoted the third string,
Speaker 2: which tells me he want the high draft pick.
Speaker 3: Drew Locke potential to win a game. Win't Finn win
Speaker 3: with him?
Speaker 2: Jones bench single the end of a six year run
Speaker 2: to Johnson with the giantson started quarterback. The Giants went
Speaker 2: thirteen and three in games started by Jones over the
Speaker 2: past two seasons, and they ranked last in the league
Speaker 2: in scoring. His career record is twenty four, forty four
Speaker 2: and one. Hey, give me those stats, o Joe, I
Speaker 2: will give you. He's twenty four, he started what seventy games?
Speaker 2: He's twenty four, forty four and one.
Speaker 3: H Oh, Joe. They gave this man a.
Speaker 2: Contract extension forty million dollars, one hundred and sixty on sixty.
Speaker 3: Now you tell me you got actually pulling up?
Speaker 2: No, I want his record twenty nineteen, twenty twenty one
Speaker 2: before he got Yeah, no, I don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody know, everybody know who up.
Speaker 2: The Panthers talking about reportedly have have interest in Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, oh joe uh.
Speaker 2: He started twelve games his rookie He went three and nine.
Speaker 2: The next season, he went five and nine. The next season,
Speaker 2: he went four and seven. He goes nine sixty one,
Speaker 2: and he gets a contract extension. Now see, you see
Speaker 2: what they did. They disregarded the previous three seasons a
Speaker 2: big sample size for the small sample size, because we
Speaker 2: want to justify giving this man this money. You see
Speaker 2: what they did. You see, now we gonna disregard the
Speaker 2: three and nine. We're gonna disregard the five and nine.
Speaker 2: We're gonna disregard. Now he had he had eleven touch Okay,
Speaker 2: what he had. He had eleven touchdowns, ten interceptions, ten touchdowns,
Speaker 2: seven interceptions. He went fifteen and five BEZ game rays.
Speaker 5: That fifteen and five looked good. That fifteen and five
Speaker 5: and nine to six record, that look good. Okay, maybe
Speaker 5: he's going in the right in the right direction. After
Speaker 5: the first three years or the first two, you know,
Speaker 5: the first three he didn't look like he should boom.
Speaker 5: The year where it counts what would call it the
Speaker 5: contract where you want to give a quarterbacks money they
Speaker 5: saw the improvement as opposed to the small sampathize that
Speaker 5: they did see.
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe he's proving out this is they.
Speaker 2: Made Lamar Jackson play under the franchise tag after he
Speaker 2: won an MVP.
Speaker 3: But that ain't none of my fusiness. I don't even
Speaker 3: know why I brought it up for you.
Speaker 2: Let me keep my mind shut, because first of all,
Speaker 2: quarterback is the only position that you get paid on potential.
Speaker 2: They would let if Jamar Chase wasn't doing what he
Speaker 2: was doing, he can't get no money. They can't say, well,
Speaker 2: you know what I think, Lamar, Lamar, Jamar Chase hitting
Speaker 2: in the right direction, Let's give him.
Speaker 3: Let's give him top number one receiver money.
Speaker 2: All the guys name a position other than quarterback that
Speaker 2: you get paid on potention. I'm not saying Joe Burrow,
Speaker 2: I mean them guys that earned that money. But a
Speaker 2: lot of these quarterbacks get paid on man, I believe
Speaker 2: he's turned the corner. They don't never pay another position
Speaker 2: believing that he's turned the corner.
Speaker 5: And and there's there's there's a whole nother conversation and
Speaker 5: I don't want to go there, but you did bring
Speaker 5: it up. You know, it was the elephant in the
Speaker 5: room you talked about. They made Lamar Jackson play on
Speaker 5: the what.
Speaker 1: Okay franchise tag, but they didn't VP. That's another coma.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I ain't breaking on. I don't think I bring everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they have the three blind I saw it. Oh damn
Speaker 2: that but A it sved it couldn't happen to a
Speaker 2: better organization than the Giants. Serves your right because you
Speaker 2: didn't want to play Sa Kuan.
Speaker 1: You know they don't. They don't value the running back position,
Speaker 1: as they said.
Speaker 2: Phelly did not look at him. Look at look at
Speaker 2: Joe Mixing what he's doing. Look at what Joe Mixon
Speaker 2: is doing for the Houston in Texans. Joliph jack Henry
Speaker 2: can do that when they give him the ball. We
Speaker 2: see what he does for the Ravens offense. He makes
Speaker 2: them almost undefendable, indefensible.
Speaker 3: Shoot. Joey Porter Jr.
Speaker 2: Sells will call tickets for four hundred piece over the
Speaker 2: weekend Talk Ball with Joey Porter Jr.
Speaker 3: They did blackest thag posible.
Speaker 2: Huh yeah, no, no, I'm saying this guy did right.
Speaker 2: Joey Porter family Jeorde Porter Jr. Family sells his tickets, right, Okay,
Speaker 2: Joey Porter Jr. Family sales chickens will call tickets for
Speaker 2: four dollars a piece over the weekend talk ball with
Speaker 2: Joey Porter's family. They did the blackest thing possibly They
Speaker 2: sold their will call tickets for four hundred piece. I've
Speaker 2: seen nephew play enough ball.
Speaker 3: I know what he do.
Speaker 1: Respects make it a business. Yeah, that was funny.
Speaker 2: Yes, hey, oh joe would you care if your family
Speaker 2: sold tickets and you left for them at will call?
Speaker 3: No? Probably not, probably not.
Speaker 5: I'm leaving tickets for your will call that I'm probably
Speaker 5: getting for free anyway.
Speaker 1: And if you want to make a little make a
Speaker 1: little side money on that.
Speaker 5: You know I have no I have no problem with
Speaker 5: your hustle. I have no problem with your hustle because
Speaker 5: that means you ain't gonna be asking me for no money.
Speaker 3: No, I'm trying to think, what do you think?
Speaker 5: Matter of factn't depending on who were playing, they definitely coming.
Speaker 1: It's showing up, but you already know.
Speaker 2: But I mean, for the most part, on your like,
Speaker 2: if I leave somebody tickets that will call, specially my
Speaker 2: family already know they coming because first of all, they
Speaker 2: stay with me or they stay at the hotel that
Speaker 2: paid for so I know they breaking theirs as to
Speaker 2: the game.
Speaker 3: So uh, I've never really thought about it yet.
Speaker 5: Just for the case, for the scenario you talking about,
Speaker 5: I mean, I can't. I don't really see any family member.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, as a matter of fact, I did.
Speaker 2: I got my homeboy, I got budget Chicken to the
Speaker 2: super Bowl and they ended up. I guess they left
Speaker 2: more than what they should. Man, he said, homeboy, I
Speaker 2: sold them tickets. I said, well what I cut both folk?
Speaker 2: How you gonna how you gonna sell something I gave you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, that.
Speaker 2: Financed my trip. No, but you like, I'm like you,
Speaker 2: I hate cried over that. Hell because you leave them
Speaker 2: low enough. Hell, they'll sell them.
Speaker 3: The people. The people pull them and sell them.
Speaker 2: So you got a certain amount of time to get
Speaker 2: your aster the game or they gonna sell them.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: Oh well.
Speaker 2: The Bills hand the Chief the first loss of the season.
Speaker 2: Josh Allen rushes for a late touchdown on fourth down.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the Chief was thinking. They know
Speaker 2: they're gonna put the ball in Josh's hand and he's
Speaker 2: gonna run it. He's gonna That's what he's done every
Speaker 2: time against the Kansas City Chiefs when they get the
Speaker 2: fourth down, they get to thirty one. That's what you're
Speaker 2: supposed to do. Put the ball in your best player's
Speaker 2: hand and let him do what he does. But the
Speaker 2: Bills put up thirty points against the Kansas City's defense
Speaker 2: that hadn't allowed more than thirty points since Week four
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two, forced Mahomes to throw two interceptions.
Speaker 2: Allen improves the four and one in the regular season
Speaker 2: over Mahomes. Buffalo is now nine in two, a half
Speaker 2: game back of Kansas City for the best record in
Speaker 2: the AFC. Look, I mean, people, see the thing that
Speaker 2: I hate, Ojo is that, like when we analyze a
Speaker 2: critique a great player, and that's what Mahomes is.
Speaker 3: He's a historically great player.
Speaker 2: People's like, well, Home's not playing well, and when you
Speaker 2: say that, people think that you're trying to take away
Speaker 2: from what he's already done.
Speaker 3: No, he's done that I'm talking about right now.
Speaker 2: Nobody can end there that even if you were the
Speaker 2: arden die hardest of Chiefs fans, thanks, Mahons is playing well.
Speaker 3: He's not.
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean And because he's not playing well, that
Speaker 2: doesn't mean. Do you believe he could turn it around. Yes,
Speaker 2: but let's deal with what we need to deal with.
Speaker 2: Look how many interceptions he had as opposed to touchdowns.
Speaker 2: It's damnar like every game you penciled in, Mahon's gonna
Speaker 2: turn the ball over at least once, at least once.
Speaker 2: He's not playing well. He has not played well this year.
Speaker 2: He's had moments in which he's played well, but the totality,
Speaker 2: Mahons used to play clean for the entirety of the game.
Speaker 3: He would go.
Speaker 2: Stretches where he'd have five, six, seven, eight games and
Speaker 2: he would be virtually impeccable. Now you hope you can
Speaker 2: get five or six possessions in which he's impeccable, but
Speaker 2: he's not playing well. The defense gable. Like I said,
Speaker 2: think about it and see this is what normally happens.
Speaker 2: You know it's gonna be a situation, don't Joe. Somebody
Speaker 2: is gonna put points on your defense. This is worth
Speaker 2: My homes needed to have that game, to go get
Speaker 2: thirty one, to go get thirty four, So that's the
Speaker 2: question that you're gonna have to ask yourself. Chiefs fans
Speaker 2: follow the NFL, if somebody can have a day in
Speaker 2: which they get up on the Chiefs and have better
Speaker 2: than normal day against that defense and Patrick Mahomes and
Speaker 2: this offense.
Speaker 3: Outdual of the opposing team's offense, it used to be
Speaker 3: a no doubt.
Speaker 2: It used to be unless you score twenty eight or
Speaker 2: thirty points, you could beat.
Speaker 3: The Chiefs.
Speaker 1: Right well, honestly, if you think about it.
Speaker 5: And when we come to the regular season, now the
Speaker 5: Bills are four and one against the Chiefs, but Rick
Speaker 5: Cows when we talk about that dueling situation where it
Speaker 5: matters most and Patrick Mahon coming coming in and playing
Speaker 5: his best football and opportune times it's been in the
Speaker 5: postseason where they are three and zero against the Bills.
Speaker 5: So again, in the regular season, for some reason, the
Speaker 5: Bills the Boys had success when it comes to playing
Speaker 5: the Chiefs, but when it mattered most, when it mattered
Speaker 5: most in the postseason, Patrick Mahomes has always come on
Speaker 5: top in those dual games like that. But again, not
Speaker 5: to take anything away from the Bills and what they
Speaker 5: did today. Hell I even I even had the Bills.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think everybody should have. I think the
Speaker 2: thing is, ohoe is that people like, well mahomes, mahomes,
Speaker 2: but we've never seen home play stretches like this. That's
Speaker 2: the difference. Yeah, we know what he is, we know
Speaker 2: what he's done, but we haven't seen him play like this.
Speaker 3: We have it. He had, he had Worthy.
Speaker 2: Wide open, and he throws him, leaves him out of bounds,
Speaker 2: he leaves him up the fielders a touchdown. It's plays
Speaker 2: like that that he used to never miss, and now
Speaker 2: more more it's more routine to see him miss those
Speaker 2: throws than make those throws, which is very uncommon. It's
Speaker 2: something that we're not used to seeing. The Bills mounted
Speaker 2: five scoring drives of at least eight plays and sixty yards.
Speaker 2: Four of those plays ended on a touchdown and one
Speaker 2: end of the field goal. So five of the six
Speaker 2: drives of at least eight plays and sixty yards ended
Speaker 2: in scores four tds, one field goal. Josh Allen was
Speaker 2: twenty seven or forty two sixty two, one touchdown, one
Speaker 2: I n T. They ran the ball thirty one times
Speaker 2: fo one hundred and four yards. James Cook had two
Speaker 2: touchdowns and it was Josh Allen that sealed it. Laid
Speaker 2: on the fourth down twenty six yard run Patrick Mahalls.
Speaker 2: I mean, look at it. Twenty three of thirty three
Speaker 2: for one night. Has Patrick Mahwmes have a three hundred
Speaker 2: yard game this year? He might have one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe maybe one, but again, you know what, you
Speaker 5: know what else, you know what else that comes into
Speaker 5: it makes it that much more difficult coming off a
Speaker 5: super Bowl champion. I mean, you're coming off of Super
Speaker 5: Bowl win. Everybody target everyone to study. Everyone has studied you,
Speaker 5: all your tendencies, everything you like to do. They studied
Speaker 5: your offense, they studied your quarterback. So it makes it
Speaker 5: that much more different for Patrick Holmes and that offense
Speaker 5: at the people of game planned and prepared to play.
Speaker 5: So I think things are a little bit more difficult
Speaker 5: for them, and and that that's on Andy Reid to
Speaker 5: continue to do what he does and being as creative
Speaker 5: as possible to throw the teams that you're playing off
Speaker 5: because they're a little bit better prepared.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but give Buffalo created Buffalo. Buffalo is playing extremely well.
Speaker 2: Josh is playing he's running. Hey, you look at six
Speaker 2: foot five, sixty six fifty five and he can run
Speaker 2: and he's a low and once he once he opens
Speaker 2: up man who's trying to tackle him. DBS ain't trying
Speaker 2: to tackle that man so bad, please, But he's playing well.
Speaker 2: He throw the ball back. I mean he's had what
Speaker 2: consecutive game, three consecutive games, I'm not mistaken turning the
Speaker 2: ball over. But he didn't turn it over when they
Speaker 2: were in the red zone because a lot of times
Speaker 2: they was getting in trouble. He was throwing picks in
Speaker 2: the end zone. He was thumbing the ball in the
Speaker 2: red zone, and he was taking potential points after the board,
Speaker 2: even though any drive could have ended in in points.
Speaker 2: You know, but when you throw the ball in the
Speaker 2: end zone and it gets turned over, you know you're
Speaker 2: already in.
Speaker 3: Field goal range.
Speaker 2: But yeah, dang, if I told you the quarterback has
Speaker 2: thrown in eleven games. The ten games have thrown for
Speaker 2: twenty four hundred yards. He has fifteen touchdowns and eleven interceptions,
Speaker 2: what would you say, Oh, Joe, they.
Speaker 1: Probably losing, thank you, they're losing.
Speaker 5: If you don't put that, if you don't put the name,
Speaker 5: if you don't put the name, and you just say
Speaker 5: the stats in general, Loton dem and that whoever it
Speaker 5: is is playing.
Speaker 1: Very bad, very bad.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 1: The fact that it looks like that on and they're
Speaker 1: only and they're still nine and one, that says a
Speaker 1: lot about the player in general. Also as well.
Speaker 2: He's only had two games this season in which he
Speaker 2: has not thrown an interception. Yeah, two games, one against
Speaker 2: the same Yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay, Lamar can't get it done. He couldn't beat can't
Speaker 3: beat the Steelers again.
Speaker 2: Oh Joe, the Lamar Jackson Steelers RUSS the Steelers beat
Speaker 2: Baltimore eighteen sixteen. It's just been difficult for the Ravens
Speaker 2: to overtake the Steelers when Lamar continues to struggle against them. Now,
Speaker 2: you know, the fans gonna come out there and say, well,
Speaker 2: he ain't got no receivers and he ain't got this.
Speaker 2: They're gonna blame Todd Monkin for the call because it ain't.
Speaker 2: Lamar played bad, and he's played bad more routinely than
Speaker 2: not when he's faced the Steelers.
Speaker 3: Have a yes.
Speaker 5: To about the Ravens yess game, And yes, for me,
Speaker 5: how many times did Derrick Henry Kirk carry a ball?
Speaker 3: They ran?
Speaker 2: Derrick Henry had thirteen carries they had the ball. They
Speaker 2: ran the ball nineteen times for one to twenty four.
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson threw the ball thirty three times for two
Speaker 2: hundred and seven yards. Now we go back and look Cleveland,
Speaker 2: what was the ratio? But y'all don't want to be
Speaker 2: a y'all. See when we try to tell your your
Speaker 2: recipe to make a great dish that everybody in Baltimore
Speaker 2: and Mallin and the surrounding county is going to love.
Speaker 2: We hate, but y'all keep doing it this way. But anyway,
Speaker 2: let me finish this. Old Joe, the reigning MVP, is
Speaker 2: now one and four against the Steelers after completing just
Speaker 2: forty eight percent of his passes sixteen to thirty three,
Speaker 2: which does not include a desperation toss on a failed
Speaker 2: two point conversion. Justin Tucker missed two field goals. He
Speaker 2: missed field goals from forty seven to fifty yards in
Speaker 2: the first quarter, which marked the first time since twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two that he's failed to convert on back to
Speaker 2: back attempts. Tucker has now missed six field goals this season.
Speaker 2: Last season, he only missed five. Tucker said the playing
Speaker 2: surface was an ideal Tucker how many years have you
Speaker 2: kicked in Pittsburgh?
Speaker 3: Every time? Name of time, this time.
Speaker 2: Of year that the Steelers playing surface is ideal. What
Speaker 2: we've seen from Tuck is that he's no longer automatic.
Speaker 2: O Joe kicks from fifty fifty.
Speaker 3: Five and in they were money automatic.
Speaker 2: He could kick on the boon, he could kick in Pittsburgh,
Speaker 2: he could kick in Denver.
Speaker 3: It did not matter. But now.
Speaker 2: That's no longer the case because now what was if
Speaker 2: the game was closed and you put it on the
Speaker 2: foot of Tuck.
Speaker 3: Tuck was gonna handle it. What did what did? What
Speaker 3: did they do? First game? Uh? Have they they played? Who?
Speaker 2: The Ravens played the forty nine ers over the night? No,
Speaker 2: the Ravens played the Kansas City Give me all the start.
Speaker 2: Let's let's see with the run ratio to pass ratio
Speaker 2: because they've lost how many games at the Ravens lost four? Now, right,
Speaker 2: they've lost four. Let's let's see the ratio run past.
Speaker 2: We know they lost when they passed the ball more
Speaker 2: against Cleveland and the Pittsburgh Let's see the other two losses.
Speaker 2: If the run ratio what it was? But we go
Speaker 2: to find out because I want to speculate. Let's let's
Speaker 2: get this right because you know, O Joe, they want
Speaker 2: us to be perfect, so let's make sure we're perfect
Speaker 2: because somebody go say, oo, they did blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna make sure we got it right. Let's
Speaker 2: let's see what Let's see what the ratio is.
Speaker 1: Hey, you do know if Tuck, if Tuck makes one
Speaker 1: of those field goals, the Ravens win the game.
Speaker 2: Well, if that's to say, if Steelers cash one of
Speaker 2: those red zone possessions, you know they win the game. Right,
Speaker 2: Since we're doing hypotheticals, one teams kick six field goals
Speaker 2: from the red zone.
Speaker 5: Six field goals exactly the Steelers game without scoring touchdown. Yes,
Speaker 5: in real life. This ain't no video game. And the
Speaker 5: defense boy didn't know they were playing.
Speaker 2: Us running plays and they had seventy two, so that
Speaker 2: seventy four, so that means the other forty was throwing. Okay,
Speaker 2: So they threw it more against Kansas City, then they
Speaker 2: ran it. They lost. They threw it more against the Steelers,
Speaker 2: then they ran it and they lost. They threw it
Speaker 2: more against the Cleveland and they lost. What did they
Speaker 2: do against the Raiders? They lost against the Raiders.
Speaker 1: Also the volume