1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha broken me stuff. I 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: never told you affection if I hurt it here. 3 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 2: And welcome to another Monday Mini that's centered around me. 4 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: Yeah you ready. 5 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: So I have been reflecting on my once again crisis 6 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 2: of trying to get into the holiday spirit. We've already 7 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 2: talked about this many times, and you know, I've decided 8 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 2: I'm really just gonna love the cliche of it all. 9 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: And I started thinking about it. Is it really always 10 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 2: bad to like or be a part of a cliche? Anny? 11 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 2: What do you think? 12 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, you don't know. 13 00:00:55,800 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: So for clarification here, cliche is a try phrase or expression, 14 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 2: a hackneyed theme, characterization, or situation, something that has become 15 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 2: overly familiar or commonplace. And this is all according to 16 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: Merriam Webster, and the scripper writes this, a cliche is 17 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: an expression of trope that has lost its impact due 18 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: to excessive use in a given cultural context. Time Heals 19 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 2: All Wounds is an example of a cliche. Cliches are 20 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: often perceived as a sign of a lack of effort, imagination, 21 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 2: or sincerity in writing, speech and creative works. So in 22 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 2: this context, something we would think is done too much. 23 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: But if we look at how long people and just 24 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: creativity have been around, I mean, really, there's really nothing new. 25 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: It's just recycled, and we can tell that by fashion 26 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: all the fashion. So why hey, Annie, why can't I 27 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: be somewhat cliche? Huh? 28 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: Why? 29 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm going into this with very heavy, heavy handed Yeah, 30 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: I like why yes the actor? Yes, why yes? I 31 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 2: would love a pumpkin spice, anything and everything, and please 32 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: give me that green bean cast role. By the way, 33 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: my partner's mother made an amazing one. It was from scratch. 34 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: I do things from a can, and she did an 35 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 2: amazing job like it even sautate her mushrooms with like 36 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: nut make like. She did a whole thing and it 37 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: was delicious. I would say, avocada toast, put an egg 38 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 2: on it, and I'll eat that thing. Yes, I will 39 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 2: make sure it has I will say I dig it. 40 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 2: From my partner sister, she was like, if it's gonna 41 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: be expensive and it doesn't have some type of like 42 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 2: meat team component, that just seems outrageous. And I had 43 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 2: to think about that. I'm like, but that means it's 44 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 2: not necessarily avocatta toast anymore. It's just saying, but I 45 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 2: don't want I agree with her. It's expensive. I'm not 46 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: paying something that's so expensive that it looks like it 47 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 2: should have at least an egg on it. 48 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: It's true, it's true. 49 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 3: And my food podcast is coming out avocado has protein 50 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 3: at number one. But I think the issue is, like 51 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 3: avocado is really expensive, and then a lot of things 52 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 3: in our stores are underpriced. However a lot of restaurants 53 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 3: overprice them, so it's like we have a we're not 54 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 3: paying the right people the price. The people who should 55 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 3: be getting the money aren't getting the money. But yeah, 56 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 3: when you get avocado toasted, like twelve dollars, but it is, 57 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 3: avocados are really expensive. 58 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: It's true. And if we have Tarot's next year, specifically 59 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: in Mexico, we're in trouble, even though we already know 60 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: we're kind of in trouble, but even more so. Yeah, 61 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: speaking of cliche foods, because apparently I think avocado toast 62 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: would be in that now overdone label. These are some 63 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 2: of the foods that a twenty nineteen kitchen article wrote 64 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: as some of the most cliche, fancy foods. And I 65 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: want to see if you agree that you think they're 66 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: cliche European butter. 67 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: I wouldn't know anything about it. 68 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: Oh really, so we really get into the Irish butter 69 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 2: over her? 70 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's better than what I use. 71 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: I've heard that my partner thinks the quality has changed 72 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 2: since the begetting since especially since it's popularization. Oh okay, 73 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 2: that's what I've been told, all right, yeah, okay, okay, 74 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 2: what about okay, And I'm a little confused. Oysters it's 75 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: oil stores cliche. I guess it's become fancy. 76 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 3: It's sort of you're like, yeah, yeah, you're going out, 77 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 3: You're getting oysters and champagne. It's a it's a fancy 78 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 3: I don't know people, because a lot of people. 79 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: They'll just hate the texture. They're very afraid of it. 80 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, don't try them. 81 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it can't be ever done. People just are 82 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: already don't like it, right. 83 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: I think it's the idea of it. 84 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Yeah. One I think is kind of funny 85 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 2: because I'm not gonna lie. Did I buy like a 86 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 2: little pack of it when I was in Seattle? Yes, 87 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 2: good olive oils or flavored olive oils. We got some 88 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 2: fancy olive oil up here. 89 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I give that to my mom 90 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 3: a lot. 91 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, for the holidays, good just spices. So one of 92 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 2: the other things they have listed on here is truffle salt, 93 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: and I did get like the Maldon fancy salts. We 94 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: just got some for our family, like we're his family 95 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 2: to have at the house. I'm cliche. I like it. 96 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 2: I like a good seasoned salt. Give me that garlic 97 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 2: season salt. Yummy. Who doesn't love seasonings? What is wrong 98 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 2: with you? 99 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: Yes? 100 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: I think it's funny because of course, holidays in general 101 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 2: are steeped and cliches or somebody just call them traditions. 102 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 2: Why can't they just be traditions? Am I watching all 103 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: of the New Girls Thanksgiving and Christmas episodes? Yes? Have 104 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 2: I watched many of the sitcoms Christmas specials? I think 105 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: I've watched all the ones I usually always watch, and 106 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,799 Speaker 2: I forgot about the Scrubs one, and I watched those two. 107 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 2: It's barely so. Yeah, I went all in. I have 108 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 2: a problem. Did I buy the Christmas Tree Debbie Cakes? Yes? 109 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: I did. 110 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 2: Yes, I did, as well as the Christmas Tree Reese's 111 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: cup or Reese's sand Us or the Christmas Tree recess 112 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 2: like there's so many variations of it that yes, do 113 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 2: I eat them? No, that's my partner. Yes, so the 114 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 2: act of buying them, I guess, so just being seasonal. Yeah, 115 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,679 Speaker 2: So cliches aren't just my overdone traditions and desperate attempts 116 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: to fill the holidays in my heart. Yes, to melt 117 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: the ice from my cold soul just a little bit, 118 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: this is my attempt. But also tropes and cliches that 119 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 2: we're talking about are about writings and book plots. You know, 120 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 2: we talked about this in movie plots, Like, so many 121 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 2: of these are cliches and tropes that they kind of 122 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: get intermingled as words within the industry. One interview that 123 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: Bookish Bruce dot Com did with author Sujan Witherspoon talk 124 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: about some of these cliches and how to use those 125 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: cliches and whether or not it's bad to have cliches. 126 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: So in the interview they wrote specifically about tropes, saying 127 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 2: this book tropes refer to narrative conventions and recurring themes 128 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: found in genre fiction. Think the third act breakup in 129 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: a romance novel, or the group is split up in 130 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,679 Speaker 2: a horror movie. If tropes are used in a story. 131 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: It's usually to fulfill the conventions of the genre and 132 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,239 Speaker 2: the reader's expectation of the book they pick up whether 133 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: the author is doing this consciously or not. And as 134 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 2: you know, it's not just in books. My K dramas 135 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: are riddled with them, so much so they have become 136 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 2: hilarious online memes or jokes, like literally talking about comparing 137 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: different dramas American dramas versus Korean dramas, and the overall 138 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: cliche of it all, including there's always a love triangle, 139 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 2: there must be, there's always a second lead. Have to 140 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 2: randomly getting hit by a car? Why not? Like, there's 141 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 2: so much of that that I'm like, what, there's so 142 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: much the whole like protecting someone's back by using your 143 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 2: own back, hugging from behind, that's all a part of 144 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 2: the K drama. Then for some reason they work, and 145 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 2: we're all like, oh, the anticipation mm hmmmm. The first kiss, 146 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: the very very liplocked kiss, like they're not moving this thing, 147 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 2: but they're like person barely, they're not even pursing their lips. 148 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: Kiss that happens in episode seven, mm hm. And everybody 149 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 2: finds that risque, like we love we love this there's 150 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: something that builds up to this. So in this interview, 151 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 2: the interview or Amanda asks, I hear a lot of 152 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 2: people talking about how tropes make stories repetitive or cliche. 153 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 2: Some people even go so far as to say that 154 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: the tropes take creativity out of storytelling. Do you think 155 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 2: this is true? Can you speak on these thoughts? So 156 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 2: this is Weatherspoon's answer. They say, I think it's important 157 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 2: to first lay down the only objective rule of storytelling. 158 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 2: There are no objective rules. Some will find tropes and abominations, 159 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 2: others will relish in them. I'm the latter. An argument 160 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: I do find funny is when people think quote good 161 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 2: stories don't have tropes, or that using them is a crutch. 162 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 2: Genres are inherently defined by their conventions, ones that are 163 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 2: used time and time again until they can be easily 164 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: identified as tropes by readers. Just because it's been done before, 165 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 2: it doesn't make it boring. I think some readers find 166 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 2: tropes to mean a story is unoriginal, which is just impossible. 167 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 2: The same trope written by a thousand different people are 168 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 2: going to be portrayed in different ways, especially bipoc authors 169 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 2: who are only recently getting to use their tropes in 170 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: mainstream publishing. I go as far as saying that tropes 171 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: inspire creativity. Take a look at archive of our own 172 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 2: AO three. There has to be a million fan fictions 173 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 2: that use the there's only one bed trope, but no 174 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,479 Speaker 2: to utilize it the same way. Speaking from my own experience, 175 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 2: I wanted to find a way to use my favorite 176 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: trope of fake dating and brainstorming all the ways that 177 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: characters could find themselves in that situation inspired a whole 178 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 2: eighty thousand word novel. So they talk about they're talking 179 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 2: about their own book at this point and just talking 180 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 2: about that, and I believe she is a Korean author 181 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 2: and she was talking about those and yeah, absolutely, I 182 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:37,479 Speaker 2: think that's interesting in this conversation, Annie, you have thoughts. 183 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: Yes, of course you mentioned fan fiction here. I am. 184 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: I agree. 185 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 3: I agree because I think there's also the knowing of 186 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 3: the tropes can lead to a lot of creativity too. So, 187 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 3: like we've talked before about the Final Girl or or 188 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 3: things in horror where people look at it differently, where 189 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 3: it's the trope, but it's maybe in a different way. 190 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 3: In fan fiction, I would say, like, like if you 191 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 3: see the tag there was only one bed. It's fun. 192 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 3: It's kind of fun to anticipate how that's gonna happen. 193 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 3: There's something about the expectation, like you know, at some 194 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 3: point they're both going to share your bed against their 195 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 3: like wishes, like consensually. 196 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: But they're like, oh no, there's only one bed. We 197 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 1: have to go with, get in it. 198 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's interesting, like how many different ways that 199 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 3: can happen. And sometimes like it happens and it's like 200 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 3: super sweet and it's like oh my god, they're cold 201 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 3: or whatever. And sometimes it happens where it's like really 202 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 3: still antagonistic, I hate that I have to share this 203 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 3: bed with you. So it can like play out in 204 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of ways. But honestly, kind 205 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 3: of knowing the trope sometimes is half the fun of it. Yeah, yeah, 206 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 3: how are we going to get to this point from 207 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 3: where we're starting. 208 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 2: Like you're trying to see how their creativity is going 209 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: to come out? 210 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, especially if you start and you're like, I 211 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 3: don't know how they're gonna end up in this bad. 212 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 2: Right, It's just fun and sometimes that predictability is reassuring. 213 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: Like I've been hesitant in starting new shows. We've talked 214 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: about this before for me specifically, because I don't know 215 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 2: how traumatic it is going to be, and I'm like, 216 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 2: I need a warning. I have gotten to the point 217 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 2: that I will watch TikTok videos about it and know 218 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 2: where I can skip it. Like I've gotten to that 219 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 2: point because I will say, for k dramas, they have 220 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: unnecessary amount of violence that doesn't need to be in there, 221 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 2: but for some reason, they love having a point of 222 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 2: like one of them is going to get kidnapped, one 223 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 2: of them get murdered. Like always, it's usually always women 224 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: who are the ones who get hurt, is going to 225 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 2: or some things. Anyway, all that to say is I 226 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: think it's also nice to know as well, or because 227 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 2: you also like that trope. It's okay to like a cliche. 228 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 2: It's okay to being like this is cool, this is 229 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 2: this gives me a little bit of comfort, you know. 230 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 2: And I thought about this as well when it comes 231 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 2: to like great cliche makes great content, plot, or even 232 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 2: a gift. So I found one article talking about the 233 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: love of cliche gifts written by Kayla Kibbs titled take 234 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: it from a Woman, There's nothing wrong with cliche gifts. 235 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 2: I think we should take notes for anyone who are 236 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 2: trying to do the best with gifts, because you never 237 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 2: know the most simple answer, maybe the best answer. I 238 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 2: love receiving flowers. I didn't think I did because I 239 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 2: thought that was useless. But now I'm like, I kind 240 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: of want it. I kind of want those flowers for 241 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 2: my flowers. But she did share some of those thoughts, 242 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: including the fact that many other cliche gifts are gifts 243 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 2: you wouldn't buy yourself. This is the thing, she writes. 244 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 2: Part of the reason cliche gifts are cliche is because 245 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 2: there are many things most people won't buy for themselves. 246 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 2: Fancy chocolates, flowers, nice jewelry, and perfume are things we 247 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: tend to think of as gifts, meaning many women would 248 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: prefer to receive them as such, regardless of whether or 249 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: not they could afford them on their own. If you 250 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 2: avoid these gifts in favor of something more unique or 251 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 2: god forbid, practical, I think this is where we need 252 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 2: to This is that big conversation we've had before about 253 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 2: gift giving. Then that might mean the lady in your 254 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 2: life just never gets the things she actually wants. Just 255 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 2: in case any girl bosses are listening, yes, women should 256 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 2: feel empowered to buy whatever they want for themselves, and 257 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 2: some allegedly might even prefer to do so. That's being 258 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 2: very passive aggressive anyway, missus Dollaway can go ahead and 259 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 2: buy the flowers herself, but the rest of us would 260 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 2: probably prefer to have them, say to us, and not 261 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 2: just because we don't feel like spending our own money, 262 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 2: certain things like flowers and sometimes jewelry or perfume just 263 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 2: feels more meaningful as a romantic gesture. Nice things are 264 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 2: always nice, and sure, anyone who wants to can and 265 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 2: should splurge on their own fancy chocolate, old or jewelry. Still, 266 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 2: nice things are often even nicer when they're surprised from 267 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 2: a loved one. And okay, yes, obviously it's always better 268 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 2: when someone else pays for them. I think one of 269 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: the big things in that conversation is for me, when 270 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 2: someone is thoughtful, it really brings out a lot and 271 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 2: a lot of those things are yes, these are something 272 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 2: thing things I want, but I don't think I need, 273 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 2: so I'm not going to buy them for them for myself. 274 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: I think as old as you get older, you have 275 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 2: you know, a little bit more freedom in your account 276 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: and all that, and you start buying a little more 277 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 2: things for yourself, like you're like, if I need it, 278 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: I'll get it. Type of conversation that happened. But there's 279 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 2: something to be said when someone knows you so well 280 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: that they see something they're like, yes, this is what 281 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 2: they should get or they would want, and they would 282 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 2: never buy for themselves. And I will say my partner's 283 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 2: family have done a great job in that, like some 284 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 2: of the most thoughtful gifts that I've received have been 285 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 2: from them, Like, yeah, they listened to this podcast, I think, like, 286 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure they're sneaky. They're sneaky listening and got 287 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 2: some clues because of my yea. My partner's brother bought 288 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 2: me at Anna green Gables them things including I think 289 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: I talked about this a little bit, the fact that 290 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 2: he commissioned his artist friend to do a beautiful like 291 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 2: art based on the book and it's with the perfect 292 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 2: frame that like matches everything. And he did this for 293 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 2: myself and for his sister as well, and it was 294 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 2: so thoughtful that I was like, oh my god, I 295 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 2: have not hung it up yet because nothing's hung up 296 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 2: in this house. But it was so like, oh my God, 297 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 2: he really paid attention when we were talking about the 298 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 2: fact that are really loved and of Green Gables growing up. 299 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 2: His sister bought me a whole k Drama kit gift 300 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 2: set last year because she knew I was really into 301 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 2: Kate dramas, that I am really into Kate dramas, really 302 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 2: cute things. Gave me some like Korean candies. I was like, 303 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 2: look at what SO really like. And his mom is 304 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 2: so good at buying, like like these purple glasses that 305 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 2: I love their tumblers because she knows la that color 306 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: and then it matches kind of my personality. They do 307 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 2: a great job. And his dad hilariously knows that I 308 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 2: love crabs, so gave me a whole gift set of 309 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 2: utensils so I would be prepared to crack the King 310 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 2: crab legs that you have bought me before me. Yeah, 311 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 2: it was giant. I don't think we had those tools 312 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 2: at that point, but man, I'm prepared now because he needs. Yeah, 313 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 2: it was so huge, like two of them fed the 314 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 2: three of us and we were so full. But anyway, 315 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 2: but like you know, and some of these things are 316 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 2: could be considered cliche. Some of these things wouldn't be 317 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 2: and like it's just even if it is having flowers 318 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 2: brought to me is so thoughtful, Like I'd like to 319 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 2: dry out the flowers and keep them forever and never 320 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 2: and never never. And I feel that same way. Like 321 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 2: my partner, who is male, I get him. I didn't 322 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 2: get him flowers. I got him wooden flowers from a 323 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 2: place because I thought they were really pretty. And I 324 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 2: was like, he never gets flowers, how can we get some? 325 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 2: Some stuff like that is genuinely just beingful. 326 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, in. 327 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 2: Those moments, I'm like, yeah, being cliche is not bad. 328 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: Let's let's give it. 329 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 2: Let's just enjoy things, including going to New York and 330 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 2: seeing Rockefeller Center. I'm gonna do this. We're gonna have fun, 331 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 2: and it will have fun and we will have Christmas. 332 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're totally right. 333 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 3: I think the key is like if someone doesn't like 334 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 3: chocolate but chocolates the easy gift, don't get them chocolate. 335 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 3: It has to be a thoughtful quition, yes, but other yeah, 336 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 3: otherwise it's recent. People like the certain things very comforting 337 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 3: often and it can be really hard to think of. 338 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 3: Like every year, I just made my wish list for 339 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 3: my mom, and I was like, I don't know, it 340 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 3: could be hard to think of like new things that 341 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 3: you want every year. 342 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 2: Cliche gift card, give me that. 343 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 1: I send my like I find is Star Wars thing 344 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: I like it. 345 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 2: If I I send my niece is a nephew just 346 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 2: money because I'm like, I remember, I remember being young, 347 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 2: and all I wish was you can just give me 348 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 2: some money. Is while I can choose myself, whether it's 349 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 2: just to go out to eat or get groceries that week, 350 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 2: please give me money. So I would just now that 351 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 2: we have all those cash outs, wonderful, but like I 352 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 2: send them just directly money. I'll wait here. I'm not 353 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 2: going to choose for you because I know you might 354 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,479 Speaker 2: need it for gas and that's okay. 355 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:08,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a nice It's a balance between 356 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 3: the like asking what people want, but the also like 357 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 3: nice surprise, right yeah I like that. 358 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: Yeah? 359 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 3: All right, well, listeners, if you have any thoughts on this, 360 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 3: any popular tropes you want to talk about, any cliches 361 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 3: that you're really into, please let us know. 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