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Speaker 1: All right, thanks Scott Shannon. Hour to Sean Hannity Show.

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Speaker 1: Write down our toll free telephone number if you want

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Speaker 1: to be a part of the program. Anyway, we are

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Speaker 1: following the news developing at the White House all day long.

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Speaker 1: Today is the President welcomes all the leaders. Let's see

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Speaker 1: from the President of France, the UK Prime Minister of

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Speaker 1: the German Chancellor, the Finnish President, NATO Secretary, the Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister of Italy, and much much more and President Zelenski

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Speaker 1: in the hopes that the President can follow through on

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Speaker 1: his summit with Vladimir Putin. The President did say that

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Speaker 1: he will call Putin after what takes place at the

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Speaker 1: White House today. Anyway, here with analysis, we have Nile Gardner.

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Speaker 1: He's the director of the Heritage Foundation's Margaret Thatcher Center

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Speaker 1: for Freedom and also Gordon Chang, author of The Coming

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Speaker 1: Collapse of China, the Great US China Tech War, former

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Speaker 1: US Trade rep in his own right, Nile, welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the program. I'm making the case in two ways.

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Speaker 1: I'm arguing Number one, that I really do blame this

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Speaker 1: mess on both Obama and on Joe Biden. And I

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Speaker 1: give President Trump a lot of credit for trying to

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Speaker 1: clean it up. I don't think Europe is blameless in

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Speaker 1: this either. They have funded Putin's war machine by buying

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Speaker 1: his energy. None of them have ever tried to really

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Speaker 1: engage with him. They have isolated him. They are completely

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Speaker 1: impotent in trying to deal with him. And if any

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Speaker 1: country benefits the least in a possible peace deal with

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Speaker 1: Ukraine and Russia, I would argue it's the USA, and

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Speaker 1: the only person that could pull this off, whether you

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Speaker 1: like President Trump or not, is him. And he's moving

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Speaker 1: at the speed of Trump. He's not wasting time. He's

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Speaker 1: trying to get this thing resolved, and he's already had

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Speaker 1: success around the globe with India, Pakistan, is Iran, Rwanda, Congo, Serbia, Kosovo, Thailand, Cambodia,

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Speaker 1: are many of Zabaijan, Egypt, Ethiopia.

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Speaker 2: So I mean he's trying.

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Speaker 1: He said, it's by far the hardest of all of them.

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Speaker 1: I think if it does come down to a deal,

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to end up being land swaps

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Speaker 1: of some kind with security guarantees. Uh not quite Article five,

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Speaker 1: not NATO related, but NATO like Article five security guarantees

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Speaker 1: for Ukraine. I just hope there's an end to the

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Speaker 1: killing myself, Nile.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, it's quite great to be on the show,

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Speaker 3: thank you very much. And you know, my view is

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Speaker 3: a strong agreement with that. But basically with cousin Trump's

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Speaker 3: leadership right now, it's a huge change actually from what

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Speaker 3: we saw with Joe Biden, with with Barack Obama's both

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Speaker 3: very weak neat leaders in my In my view, in contrast,

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Speaker 3: Trump projects strength and leadership, and you'll see that today

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Speaker 3: at the White House summit, of course, with European leaders

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Speaker 3: gathered together with President Zdanskiv of Ukraine. There's only one

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Speaker 3: man in the world who can bring together this kind

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Speaker 3: of of of coalition, and that's that's President Trump. And

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Speaker 3: President Trump course determined to bring about end of the

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Speaker 3: war in Ukraine, a war that should have been averted,

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Speaker 3: frankly by by Joe Biden, who actually did nothing to

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Speaker 1: And let's not niall, he never picked up a phone,

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Speaker 1: he never made one phone call, he never while Putin

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Speaker 1: was amassing troops and military equipment on the Ukrainian border.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly the case. And also let's not forget

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Speaker 3: that Barack Obama when he was President, refused to actually

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Speaker 3: President Trump did do so during his first presidency. And

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Speaker 3: so there is remarkable, I think, between the kind of

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Speaker 2: What is your take, Gordon Chang?

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Speaker 1: And I do have a China question involving this, because

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Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons Putin even went to

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Speaker 1: we're nearly a trillion dollars in committed moneys for American

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Speaker 1: energy rather than Russian energy, play role. I do believe

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with all of that. Sean with regard

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Speaker 4: and focus of the US. Well, you just extrapolate a

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I know that people don't like the way I'm

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Speaker 2: Nile.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the Donyek's region, for example, is about

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Speaker 1: But if my view in the and if this war continues,

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Speaker 1: how many more you know people are going to end

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Speaker 1: I think Putin's a murdering dictator, thug. I have no

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Speaker 1: admiration for Vladimir Putin, But if you do want the

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Speaker 1: in reality I see it happening.

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Speaker 2: What is your thought?

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Speaker 1: And in exchange, I think the security guarantees, including Article

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Speaker 1: five like security agreements will be put in place with Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: and weaponry will be sold to Ukraine by the United

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Speaker 2: Certainly Ukraine didn't have prior to this conflict.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think that those are excellent points. And if

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Speaker 3: Of course, details being discussed today as as we speak,

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Speaker 3: be if there is a security guarantee in place, some

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Speaker 3: not under the auspices of NATO. So this would involve,

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Speaker 3: So quite quite a quite a unique sort of proposal,

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Speaker 3: but one that may actually succeed At the same time,

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Speaker 3: of course, I think it's vital that the Russians make

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Speaker 3: Trump wrote a very powerful letter to Adami Putin talking

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Speaker 3: be returned back home to Ukraine where they belong. That

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Speaker 3: that should be a demand made of Vladimir Putin.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 1: I totally completely agree with you, I really do. However,

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Speaker 1: Zelensky has been on record saying over and over again

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Speaker 2: He said it's impossible.

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Speaker 1: If that is his position, then this is going to

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Speaker 1: be a fight to the finish, of my view, and

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Speaker 1: there's going to be a lot more death between now

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think that that's that's right. And

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Speaker 3: but also the time when public opinion inside Ukraine is

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Speaker 3: and so so immense challenges for the Zelensky of the Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: Is a fought incredibly bravely against a brutal and barbaric enemy.

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Speaker 3: And the question now is whether Zelensky is willing to

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Speaker 3: gaining a vital security guarantee. So so we'll have to

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Speaker 3: So far as you point out, of course, Zolensky is

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Speaker 2: Now, we'll see what does you take Gordon.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if is Zolenski really that you know, dug

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Speaker 1: there's not a third invasion.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he does appear to be dug in. There are

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Speaker 4: a couple of other things though, that we should talk about.

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Speaker 4: then we could be having very different conversations on what

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Speaker 4: especially because Putin doesn't want to fire. This means that

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Speaker 4: there might be terms which we do not think are possible,

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, this is going to

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Speaker 1: be a Ukraine, Zolensky and europe decision, is it not, Nile, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Think I think so. And this is a matter of

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Speaker 3: Ukrainian sovereignty and self determination. Ultimately, any deal will have

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Speaker 3: to be made by by Ukraine directly with with with Moscow,

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Speaker 3: and President Trump is really facilitating a likely thilateral summit

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Speaker 5: Hi Sean, thanks for taking my call. I listened to

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Speaker 1: Look, Lindsey Graham is going to join us as a bill,

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Speaker 1: Ukrainians have fought valiantly in this conflict. Anyway, we'll see

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Speaker 6: did that long term lease for Hong Kong, and then

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Speaker 6: when the lease is up, the land would be turned

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Speaker 6: over to the Ukraine. It's just something that Russia would

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Speaker 6: have their warm water port and they would have protection

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Speaker 6: for their Russian brethren. They are sort of living in

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Speaker 6: the eastern portion of Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: My understanding is the only land that would outright go

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Speaker 1: be considered along the lines of I think what you're

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Speaker 1: describing quote a land swap, but in the end, let's

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Speaker 1: be real, we're just playing semantics. I think that Russia

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Speaker 1: is gaining territory and Ukraine is losing territory. Are they

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Speaker 1: willing to give it up in the name of real

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Speaker 1: security this time? So there's not a third invasion, that's

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Speaker 1: the question. So I actually think language is a little

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Speaker 1: bit different. They call them a land swap, but I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's any really. I don't think it's different

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Speaker 1: than what you're describing.

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Speaker 6: I'm thinking that it would be Ukraine's land, but it

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Speaker 6: would be a long term lease, and when the lease

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Speaker 6: but what that does is it either exposes Putin as

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Speaker 6: a liar because the things he initially said with the

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Speaker 6: reason for him going into Ukraine would be resolved if

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Speaker 6: that lease took place, and ben Zelensky would be able

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Speaker 6: to say, we've retained our pre war borders. And you know,

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Speaker 6: while the Russians are going to be there for a while,

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Speaker 6: it's a transitional thing. They're using it for a while,

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Speaker 6: but when the lease is up.

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Speaker 1: But you and I both know that that's all semantics

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Speaker 1: and is not reality, right we wink wink, nod, nod.

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Speaker 1: We know that once Russia has it, they're not giving

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Speaker 1: it back to Ukraine.

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Speaker 6: Well, Sean is something to consider. Thanks for taking my mind.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what the words land swap mean. I

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Speaker 1: don't think you're off base here. I think that's what

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Speaker 1: they're talking about anyway. Carl and Marilyn. Carl, you're on

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Speaker 1: the Sean Hannity Show.

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Speaker 7: Hi, Sean, Thanks for taking my call. I have such

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Speaker 7: great respect for you. I love your show, telling the

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Speaker 7: Paul screener that I'm a big follower of the great One.

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Speaker 7: And last night, oh yeah, he was talking about the

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Speaker 7: fact that as your prievous colors were mentioning the power

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Speaker 7: of the that Trump has over Putin for financial reasons

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Speaker 7: with the sanctions. Do you believe that there are sanctions

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Speaker 7: that would be strong enough to pull the rug completely

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Speaker 7: out from under them instead of long term or short term.

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Speaker 1: I think the only reason Putin came to the table

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Speaker 1: is because the President forced NATO to more than double

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Speaker 1: their commitment to defense. I think it's because of the

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Speaker 1: EU trade Deal, where I mean it's a sanction in

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Speaker 1: the sense that Western Europe won't buy their energy from

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Speaker 1: Putin anymore, but they'll buy it from US. I think

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Speaker 1: the tariffs on India, that's a sanction. I think selling

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Speaker 1: weapons to Ukraine in a way you can describe it

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Speaker 1: if you want, depending on the semantics you want to use,

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Speaker 1: that would be a sanction. I'm not I'm in favor

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Speaker 1: of harder sanctions, especially if they can't come to a deal.

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Speaker 1: You know, do I think it's going to I think

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Speaker 1: the President is committed to resolving this quickly, and if

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Speaker 1: you want to do it quickly, the only way it's

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Speaker 1: going to end is with land swaps versus real security

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Speaker 1: guarantees for Ukraine. Now, if you want to play long

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Speaker 1: ball and you're willing to accept all the dead people

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Speaker 1: in the interim, then then we could talk about the

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Speaker 1: sanctions strategy, which you know, I'd like to see the

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Speaker 1: strongest sanctions possible, especially if Putin doesn't come to the table. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: good call. We have a lot of smart callers today

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Speaker 1: eight hundred nine one. If you want to be a

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Speaker 1: part of the program,