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Speaker 1: Richard Jefferson of the Mothership covering the NBA Finals. A
Speaker 1: better block Lebron's block on Andrea Gudala when Richard Jefferson
Speaker 1: was there with Lebron in Cleveland or last night with
Speaker 1: the Greek freak against DeAndre Eton. Now, Lebron's came in
Speaker 1: a championship game, so it's a little bit different there.
Speaker 1: But to me, what Jannis did degree of difficulty far
Speaker 1: greater than what Lebron did. And part of this is
Speaker 1: also I'm not surprised at anything Lebron does not anymore.
Speaker 1: I got to the point and you know, am I
Speaker 1: surprised anything that Tom Brady does? No? Was I surprised
Speaker 1: at anything Gretzky did? No? I mean, Yannis is younger,
Speaker 1: and he was injured, and he hasn't been on a
Speaker 1: big stage like this in the NBA Finals. And for
Speaker 1: a guy who got injured and had the hyper extended,
Speaker 1: you're not pacing himself. And I think you got to
Speaker 1: factor that in as well. But we'll get to phone
Speaker 1: calls eight seven seven three d P show email address
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Speaker 1: The Open Championship, as they like to say, not the
Speaker 1: British Open, It's the Open Championship is underway, great weather,
Speaker 1: great scores at Royal Saint George, including Jordan Spief up
Speaker 1: there on the leaderboard. Pretty high, but a lot of
Speaker 1: great scores. If you don't if you don't shoot in
Speaker 1: the sixties today, you're gonna be in trouble. Come with
Speaker 1: you know, the weekend there. You got a chance to
Speaker 1: post some pretty good scores there. But I don't think
Speaker 1: the players look at this as a overly challenging golf course.
Speaker 1: But it's still quirky because it's the Open Championship, all right,
Speaker 1: mclen poll question, Okay, we switched it up starting this
Speaker 1: hour with who's coming out of the finals, the Sons
Speaker 1: or the box? Fifty four percent say Sons. Right now.
Speaker 1: I guess that's home core. Yeah, I guess, you know,
Speaker 1: with two of the next three and that's probably the
Speaker 1: safer bat here. Can Milwaukee win in Phoenix? That's what
Speaker 1: it's going to come down to. They need to win
Speaker 1: in Phoenix. The w NBA took a different approach to
Speaker 1: its All Star game last night, and I got to
Speaker 1: watch a little bit of this. I was really curious
Speaker 1: that you had Team USA took on the w NBA
Speaker 1: All Stars who weren't on the Olympic squad. So the
Speaker 1: non Olympic players won a close, hard fought game, and
Speaker 1: maybe the NBA could go with a similar format for
Speaker 1: its All Star game. We have proposed this. Reggie Miller
Speaker 1: echoed the sentiments. Michael Wilbon brought it up on the program.
Speaker 1: But imagine if you had Lebron and k D and
Speaker 1: Steph and you had an international team with Janis and
Speaker 1: Joe Lmbid and Luca don Chick. I mean, that could
Speaker 1: be fun, and you play for there's a different pride
Speaker 1: at stake. I mean, Luca don Chick has famously said
Speaker 1: winning an Olympic gold medal would be far greater, more
Speaker 1: of accomplishment and more treasured by me than winning an
Speaker 1: NBA championship playing for your country. But the w NBA
Speaker 1: game had something we're not used to seeing in an
Speaker 1: All Star format, and that's competitiveness. The non Team USA
Speaker 1: players had a lot of pride, but nice to see
Speaker 1: what you could do with a similar type format for
Speaker 1: the you know, the men's All Star game. I think
Speaker 1: it'd be great International versus Team USA. I think it'd
Speaker 1: be great. I think it'd be you know, you could
Speaker 1: get American flag type uniforms, something patriotic for Team USA,
Speaker 1: and you could have all the different colors with the
Speaker 1: international team. Maybe they're different flags on their uniform. I mean,
Speaker 1: you could come up with a lot of different things
Speaker 1: to be able to sell this. But I think the
Speaker 1: competitive part of this is what I would really be
Speaker 1: interested in watching because most of these All Star games,
Speaker 1: you know, it's sort of a fun little exhibition there.
Speaker 1: But last night with the w NBA, it was competitive,
Speaker 1: like it was spirited. Yeah, mclub, What would you do
Speaker 1: with the fact that the international team has all these
Speaker 1: super our centers, like you have Embiid and Jannis and
Speaker 1: Gobert and Joker, Like it almost feels like you couldn't
Speaker 1: do anything with all those guys if you played the
Speaker 1: international team. What do you mean that, like you have
Speaker 1: five centers, you can't all be on the team or
Speaker 1: all be on the quarter once, Like, um, you know,
Speaker 1: who do you start? It's a Joker, the clear starter
Speaker 1: over Embiid. Uh. You know, is Jannis a three? How
Speaker 1: would you international team? But what would you do? Strategy?
Speaker 1: Put him all on the floor, right, you gotta guard him?
Speaker 1: I mean sure, why not? Joker plays outside, Embiid plays outside. Uh,
Speaker 1: Yannis and Gobert will be playing inside. Uh, Luca plays outside? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Be fun. No, I mean, I'm I'm just proposing it.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what it looks good when
Speaker 1: it's or if it looks good on the court, but
Speaker 1: I think just having when you watch something, you want
Speaker 1: to know what's at stake. Like That's why you know,
Speaker 1: the euro Cup was so important to so many people
Speaker 1: because of what it meant. And even if you weren't
Speaker 1: a soccer fan, you know it meant so much to
Speaker 1: these two countries. And you could see the fans and
Speaker 1: you could see the tension. That's what made it fascinating.
Speaker 1: That's what you want, no matter what the sport is,
Speaker 1: what's at stake here? Who cares? And that's why when
Speaker 1: I was watching the w NBA, you could tell that
Speaker 1: they truly cared of who was going to win this
Speaker 1: whole star game. Yeah, Paul, if it's USA rost of
Speaker 1: the world, can we get Canada. That's kind of fair.
Speaker 1: They're they're technically connected to us. We get Canada. No,
Speaker 1: I got to give Canada to the international team because
Speaker 1: then they could get Jamal Murray. They're gonna need some
Speaker 1: guards there, so I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to give them Canada based off of Jamal Murray. Yes, Like,
Speaker 1: where would Dominique have been international? He was born on
Speaker 1: an army base back in the day, like his Ben's. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we lose Ben Simmons, but that might be buddies
Speaker 1: an American citizen. Dominique is okay, yeah, okay, Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of immigration rules would have to look at you.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Ben Simmins had helped the international team. I
Speaker 1: actually think he fit better with a team of all stars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, because they don't need him profit. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: didn't have shoot absolutely all right, we'll get phone calls
Speaker 1: coming up, and then Richard Jefferson will join us. He'll
Speaker 1: recap what he saw last night covering the NBA Finals
Speaker 1: for the Mothership. Georgian Ohio, Hi, George, what do you
Speaker 1: have for me today? Hey, good morning, good morning. A great,
Speaker 1: great block by the Greek Freak I love defense in basketball.
Speaker 1: Y're talking about great moments, Nicigo, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: go way back. Do you recall Wilt Chamberlain blocking and
Speaker 1: Kareem skyhook? I seem to recall washing that on televison.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was a goaltending. I don't remember. You guys
Speaker 1: do great research. I just thought you would know. All right, well,
Speaker 1: thank you, George. I remember when the first time they
Speaker 1: played each other, the Lakers in the Bucks, and you
Speaker 1: could tell that Will was overmatched, maybe the first time
Speaker 1: in his career he thought that physically he was overmatched
Speaker 1: because Kareem was tall, maybe taller a little bit taller
Speaker 1: than Wilt, but he had so much more grace and athleticism.
Speaker 1: And that skyhook. I think Wilt goldtended one time. But
Speaker 1: to see and back then, Wilt had this strange headband.
Speaker 1: He had like a gold it looked like a sponge
Speaker 1: on his forehead, and then he had like a rubber
Speaker 1: band that went around his head and he had his
Speaker 1: gold wristbands on. And I just remember Kareem lu Alsendour
Speaker 1: at the time he was he was so great. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is something we never saw a big man who
Speaker 1: had that much grace and athleticism. Now, Bill Russell was
Speaker 1: a great athlete, and so was Wilt. Nobody was like Kareem.
Speaker 1: I'm just magical, absolutely magical. Yeah, Paul, your memory is
Speaker 1: funny because your spot on here Kareem is with Milwaukee
Speaker 1: pretty young. Will Chamberlain does have the it's not a headband,
Speaker 1: it's like a head strap with the fuzzy stuff on
Speaker 1: the front. Yeah, it looks like a sponge that he's
Speaker 1: got there on his forehead. He does in the same
Speaker 1: game block Kareem skyhook twice. One is kind of a
Speaker 1: running skyhook going to the basket, like where it's on
Speaker 1: the side that's pretty close to the the basket, and he
Speaker 1: blocks it off the glass like he kind of pins it.
Speaker 1: And the next one is a goaltend and got called
Speaker 1: a golden Yeah, he didn't know what to do with
Speaker 1: Kareem or leu elisendor I should say, but I mean
Speaker 1: to me, Loui is the greatest college player of all
Speaker 1: time and certainly on that short list man, and I
Speaker 1: think we understate his greatness. I think he nobody likes
Speaker 1: the big man like we embraced Bill Russell, but he
Speaker 1: wasn't your typical big man and he played defense and
Speaker 1: he wasn't a score wilt. It didn't matter what he
Speaker 1: did offensively, and people just didn't like the big man.
Speaker 1: And the same with lu Elisendoor and Kareem. It felt like,
Speaker 1: but I just marveled at his footwork and that ability
Speaker 1: to be able to Why hasn't anybody even come close
Speaker 1: to attempting to master that shot? Like when you think
Speaker 1: of that with that sky hook, Yes, guys, you're micro's
Speaker 1: a wrong because it's not cool. Shooting a skyhook is
Speaker 1: not cool. Yeah, it's not cool. Really, I think Seaton's
Speaker 1: got it. It feels like the sixties and seventies. Man,
Speaker 1: I don't know if Rudy Gobert added that he would
Speaker 1: never be stopped, well, I can understand. Nobody's gonna pick
Speaker 1: up rick Berry's underhand free throw shooting. I get that
Speaker 1: because that's not masculine, but it does go in, and
Speaker 1: he's one of the great free throw shooters of all time.
Speaker 1: If you knew, let's say you were Ben Simmons and
Speaker 1: you knew, like you could sign a contract, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go to underhand free throw shooting. I'll be an eighty
Speaker 1: five percent free throw shooter. Nope, you wouldn't do it. Well,
Speaker 1: I would, but he wouldn't. I don't think he would.
Speaker 1: It would be made fun of for about two minutes
Speaker 1: and still until he I don't know, I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Guys are weird like that. You hold it
Speaker 1: on both sides with your fingertips and spin backwards. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you have to have it come down between your legs.
Speaker 1: You know what, during the commercial break, let's see whom
Speaker 1: looks masculine shooting that kind of underhand free throw. Okay, yes, Hunt,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine anyone doing the underhand free throw. But
Speaker 1: as far as the sky hook, at least when I
Speaker 1: was a kid, seeing him do that in a deep
Speaker 1: corner or at the top of the popping sky hooks
Speaker 1: like that swish, that was like insane. But he set
Speaker 1: the all time scoring record, and I think he was
Speaker 1: guarded by Mark Eaton and Utah And it's a baseline
Speaker 1: like fifteen foot hook and he was shooting sky hooks
Speaker 1: from fifteen feet and he just had, I mean, unbelievable
Speaker 1: athleticism and just that a touch. You know, we always
Speaker 1: talk about big man. Oh, you know, you're a big guy,
Speaker 1: and your hands are too big and it's nonsense. You know,
Speaker 1: You've got guys who are big, who can shoot and
Speaker 1: have touch and Kareem certainly did. Jeff and Detroit. I
Speaker 1: Jeff Woo's on your mind today? What up though? One
Speaker 1: time for chat row Listen, Dan. I believe that the
Speaker 1: NBA has got an unexpected gift here. We have been
Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard, Steph le Blanc kd to death in the finals.
Speaker 1: We finally get two small market teams who we know nothing.
Speaker 1: You know, the average person really doesn't know anything about them,
Speaker 1: and it's shaping up to be one hell of us here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: My question to you guys is this, And I know
Speaker 1: Fritzie is a great booker, why didn't you guys get
Speaker 1: the one person on that can explain a trackdown come
Speaker 1: from behind block Reggie Miller, Tayshaun Prince. I feel like
Speaker 1: you guys. I look at Wow, Jeff Wow, Tayshaun Prince,
Speaker 1: Gott Redge too soon. Yeah, yeah, we can't do that
Speaker 1: to redg Yeah that's not good at all. Berry in
Speaker 1: Long Island, Hi, Berry, thanks for thanks for holding Hi.
Speaker 1: Good morning fellers. You were talking about great defensive plays.
Speaker 1: I'm going to will show my Age here. Nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: nine World Series, tom Seaver on the mound Ron Swobota
Speaker 1: the diving catch and might feel to save the game.
Speaker 1: All you young punks out there, go to YouTube. Type
Speaker 1: in Swibota catch you'll see some baseball. All right, thank you, Barry.
Speaker 1: But I think Tommy Age had better catches in that
Speaker 1: World Series their center fielder. I think he had a
Speaker 1: couple of dramatic catches against the Orioles. He has McLeman.
Speaker 1: By the way, we got a ton of tweets mentioned
Speaker 1: Kirby Puckets World Series catch, although it was at a
Speaker 1: critical moment as one of the defining defensive plays ninety
Speaker 1: one World Series when he won the MVP. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It wasn't like it was like the
Speaker 1: third in areas. Yeah, I mean it was a big catch. Usually,
Speaker 1: I mean you're waiting for the end of a game
Speaker 1: and that kind of we we get illuminated on. Boy,
Speaker 1: remember that play it. I go back to James Harrison
Speaker 1: of the Steelers with that touchdown at the end of
Speaker 1: the first half of the Super Bowl. Imagine if that
Speaker 1: was at the end of the Super Bowl, if that
Speaker 1: was the final play of the Super Bowl. Would there
Speaker 1: be any play that would compare to what James Harrison did.
Speaker 1: But he did it at the end of the first half,
Speaker 1: and it was still incredible, And Larry Fitzgerald almost tracks
Speaker 1: down James Harrison. But I that's I still think Malcolm Butler,
Speaker 1: that's the greatest defensive play given what was at stake
Speaker 1: when it happened. And if you're if you're the Patriots,
Speaker 1: if you go back and look at Tom Brady's face
Speaker 1: on the sidelines, he knows he's resigned to losing the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. He would never admit it. But you know
Speaker 1: what are you a yard out? Two yards out? You
Speaker 1: got Marshawn Lynch, and you know, Belichick basically said, we
Speaker 1: want you to throw the ball where we want. We
Speaker 1: want to present a defense that says, go ahead and
Speaker 1: throw the ball, don't risk running it and then not
Speaker 1: scoring and then have time run out. And the fact
Speaker 1: that he told Malcolm Butler, this is what's going to happen,
Speaker 1: and when it happens, you go for the ball, you
Speaker 1: go this angle, And that's to me greatest play I
Speaker 1: ever saw. Yeah. See there's this video on YouTube. It's
Speaker 1: about ten minutes long. As cut together of all these
Speaker 1: highlights of a group of like I'm a twenty thirty
Speaker 1: Seahawks fans watching the game, and it's like sort of
Speaker 1: seen from the TV's point of view, and so it's
Speaker 1: almost like they're watching the camera all the time and
Speaker 1: they're going nuts at all these highlights, and especially that
Speaker 1: last final drive, they're going absolutely ballistic and they're all
Speaker 1: chanting beast mode, Beast mode, Beast bade beast. Then you
Speaker 1: can just see it all hit them like, oh no,
Speaker 1: they through. It's it's the best video because they it is.
Speaker 1: You've never seen such high and then lows in a
Speaker 1: split second switch and Seaton, you bring up something that
Speaker 1: I could understand from a Seattle perspective, because when I'm
Speaker 1: watching in the end zone and I'm staring at Marshawn
Speaker 1: Lynch as if I'm making eye contact with Marshawn Lynch,
Speaker 1: like i know you're getting it, and you know I'm
Speaker 1: getting it, and I'm expecting him get the ball and
Speaker 1: he's gonna run right into the end zone or I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get up on the podium and I'm gonna hand
Speaker 1: him in the Super Bowl Jovie, and I'm gonna talk
Speaker 1: to him about that touchdown, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Russ takes a couple of steps back and raises his
Speaker 1: right arm and I go oh bleep. And then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Malcolm Butler, welcome Butler. All right, more
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Speaker 1: at there shooting free throws underhand free throws, I get it.
Speaker 1: If you were really struggling, I would say just try it,
Speaker 1: just see how it feels. Because one of the great
Speaker 1: free throw shooters ever, Rick Barry, did it, and then
Speaker 1: one of his sons did it in college as well,
Speaker 1: and he might be in the G League now. I
Speaker 1: think his name's Canyon. But this both arms at the
Speaker 1: same time. Backspin. There's a natural motion to shooting free
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Speaker 1: he Spin NBA Analyst, Yes Network Nets Analyst, NBA Champ
Speaker 1: with the Cabs joining us from Milwaukee. Richard, thanks for
Speaker 1: joining us. I was just talking to the Danets about
Speaker 1: shooting underhand. If I had said to Shack or some
Speaker 1: of these other players who struggle, hey, you can make
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of your free throws, but you got
Speaker 1: to shoot underhand. How many guys do you think would
Speaker 1: be willing to do that in a game? Um? I
Speaker 1: think I don't know. I think it takes more courage
Speaker 1: to do that because I think you're you're already having
Speaker 1: to deal with people making fun of you because you
Speaker 1: shoot fifty eight percent and you're going, you know, brick
Speaker 1: in every free throw. So you know, it's just all
Speaker 1: about self confidence in those moments because you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna make seventy five but you actually might get more
Speaker 1: heat than you will from just shooting normal free throws.
Speaker 1: But isn't that interesting that you would rather be embarrassed
Speaker 1: in a different way than like, if I'm going to
Speaker 1: be embarrassed, I'd rather be embarrassed in succeeding than in failure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the ultimate conversation between Billy Hoyle and Sydney Dean.
Speaker 1: He's like, I know who you are. You'd rather look
Speaker 1: you'd rather look good and play bad and play bad
Speaker 1: and look good. White men can't jump reference there, all right,
Speaker 1: So you had firsthand, great view front row seat when
Speaker 1: Lebron had is a you know this chasdown block on
Speaker 1: andret Igudala in the NBA Finals, and then you were
Speaker 1: there last night with what Jannis did to DeAndre Aden
Speaker 1: better drop, better block to you was which one very different?
Speaker 1: I think Jannis's blocking game one was closer because it
Speaker 1: was the same it was as a takedown. The difference is,
Speaker 1: it's what makes both of those blocks though special and
Speaker 1: so unique, is the time in which they happened, right,
Speaker 1: the time in which they happened, the moment in the game,
Speaker 1: the moment in the series. So if we're talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, more impressive block, it's definitely broad because it
Speaker 1: meant more at the time of it a minute ago
Speaker 1: in a game seven, you know, down three one, all
Speaker 1: that stuff. If you're talking about how many people on
Speaker 1: the planet could go do what somebody did, then that's
Speaker 1: the yachness block because they're only maybe two players that
Speaker 1: can be backtracking, hand up, turn around, see the lab
Speaker 1: go up one to go get it against the number
Speaker 1: one pick that's seven feet in athletic DeAndre eight And
Speaker 1: it was technically perfect and it was physically only three
Speaker 1: people in the world can do that. So it's like
Speaker 1: the combination is what made that so special? What was
Speaker 1: the huddle like after Lebron had that block against the Gudala,
Speaker 1: I kid you not. I kid you not? In seven,
Speaker 1: after the seven games and all this other stuff, that
Speaker 1: was the first time I thought, oh, we're gonna win this.
Speaker 1: I kid you not. Because it was back and forth
Speaker 1: and everyone knows and everyone's talked about that game and
Speaker 1: it's one of the more dissected series, but it was
Speaker 1: like that was the first moment where I was like, oh, wait,
Speaker 1: we're gonna win this because it was like, now the
Speaker 1: time was running out, now was becoming a one two
Speaker 1: possession game. We had the ball, you know, and it
Speaker 1: was like, okay, what are we gonna draw up what
Speaker 1: are we gonna do because at that moment we had control.
Speaker 1: It becomes like that. It becomes that free throw time game.
Speaker 1: You can look and see like, well, we're even if
Speaker 1: we miss and they score, we're going to get a
Speaker 1: second chance. So like, we're in control right now. This
Speaker 1: is the first time in the entire series that we
Speaker 1: were in control and it was like a minute to go.
Speaker 1: Did Lebron say anything in the huddle? No. I think
Speaker 1: that's when they were talking about trying to get the
Speaker 1: ball to Kyrie, trying to get step on them. That
Speaker 1: was the difference for us, is trying to get Steff
Speaker 1: in more pick and rolls because the Warriors defense was
Speaker 1: so impeccable with Dremont, you know, helming it and Andre
Speaker 1: and those guys and play you have three basically all
Speaker 1: first team defenders on that roster, and so trying to
Speaker 1: get Step in it not that you know, Steph led
Speaker 1: the league and steals not the Steff can't play defense,
Speaker 1: but that was one of the small advantages that you
Speaker 1: might have and so got Kyrie and the rest of
Speaker 1: the rest was history. Dame Lillard tweeted in real time
Speaker 1: last night after the Jannis block that Jannis just won
Speaker 1: the game for them, even though there was a little
Speaker 1: for a minute ago that like, I'm always curious what
Speaker 1: happens after a big play or somebody gives up a
Speaker 1: home run or if somebody gets you know, a long
Speaker 1: touchdown path. That to me where it kind of it's
Speaker 1: it's you just took a punch from Tyson because you're like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, what we were going to tie this
Speaker 1: up with a dunk and it could have gone the
Speaker 1: other way, Richard, where it's like, we just dunked on
Speaker 1: the Greek freak and now there's momentum with Phoenix there,
Speaker 1: and you just survived a questionable call with Devin Booker
Speaker 1: not getting called for the foul against Holiday. I don't know,
Speaker 1: we'd be talking a whole different game today if Phoenix
Speaker 1: had won that, and we would be looking back on
Speaker 1: that dunk in a different way. And it's like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm wondering, where's all that conversation now about oh,
Speaker 1: Scott Foster and oh, you know, questionable foul calls? And
Speaker 1: I say, wait a second, I want I want the
Speaker 1: same people that were complaining about Janis's seventeen three rows
Speaker 1: when nobody else on his team shot more than three,
Speaker 1: and you're questioning they're officiating. Now, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you're a guy that's got forty points, you're all NBA guy,
Speaker 1: You're Olympian death should have fouled out on the road
Speaker 1: and didn't. You're not if you're not gonna if you're
Speaker 1: going to complain about the officials here, recognize that this
Speaker 1: goes both ways. That's why I put very little stock
Speaker 1: unless it's overly glaring. And I'm not talking about an
Speaker 1: overall record. When one referee coaches one player now, I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about any of that nods and I'm talking
Speaker 1: about overall. There are things that go both ways for
Speaker 1: you when you add human error or mistakes into those situations.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we would be looking at this series very,
Speaker 1: very differently. But the key thing about what people don't
Speaker 1: understand is that it's momentum, and it's momentum within quarters,
Speaker 1: it's momentum within games, and it's momentum within series. So
Speaker 1: that play gave them the momentum in the game because
Speaker 1: it was so so much late. It was you know,
Speaker 1: want and change, and then it helped gave them momentum
Speaker 1: in the series, So there's like a domino effect and
Speaker 1: now their job to maintain it and it's Phoenix's job
Speaker 1: to slow it down. He's Richard Jefferson, ESPN NBA analysts
Speaker 1: joining us from Milwaukee. What is it like when you're
Speaker 1: guarding a star and you didn't do anything, but you
Speaker 1: still get whistled for a foul? You know what it's
Speaker 1: it's it's expected. It's expected. You know that there's there's
Speaker 1: part of your role and depending on who you are,
Speaker 1: there's guys like t J. Tucker, Patrick Bevley, you know, um,
Speaker 1: you know guys that are known as defensive players that
Speaker 1: they'll get away with more, they'll get away with more
Speaker 1: than than other defensive players. Just you know, Draymond Green's
Speaker 1: one of them. But when you're guarding those guys, you know,
Speaker 1: you have to understand, ever since we were twelve years old,
Speaker 1: you try your best and someone's just better. Right. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you're in college, it doesn't matter if
Speaker 1: you're in high school or when you get to the pros.
Speaker 1: Like I had to guard Kevin Durant in the finals.
Speaker 1: You know, as I've had to guard in the finals
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant. It's not a lot of fun. Guys, It's
Speaker 1: not a lot of fun. Right, there's certain days where
Speaker 1: you're like, well, you know, well screw it. I tried,
Speaker 1: who would you rather who would you rather guard? Out
Speaker 1: of those two at their peak, I don't know, because
Speaker 1: for Kobe there was there was something about it where
Speaker 1: it's like he wanted to take your soul, so you
Speaker 1: felt like it wasn't like he just wanted to score
Speaker 1: on you. He also wanted to look you in the
Speaker 1: eye while he was doing it. We're like Kevin Durant
Speaker 1: just you're like, well, there's nothing I can do, like
Speaker 1: just a physical like like attributes that this guy has
Speaker 1: on two k wouldn't even be allowed. But Durant doesn't
Speaker 1: do any talking. I'm sure Kobe was talking exactly, but
Speaker 1: this is what I'm saying. Kevin Durant is more unguardable
Speaker 1: than Kobe. Right, He's more unguardable. And that's like Kobe
Speaker 1: was a ridiculous offensive weapon. But understand this that I'm
Speaker 1: not talking trash about Kobe. Of all the top five scores,
Speaker 1: he was the least efficient, so he took the most shot.
Speaker 1: I think he mite more shot than anybody in NBA. History.
Speaker 1: He took more more shots to get to those points
Speaker 1: where Kevin Durant is one of the most efficient scores
Speaker 1: in that I don't didn't think he's in the top ten.
Speaker 1: Eventually he'll be in all those numbers. But he's one
Speaker 1: of the most efficient guys, especially from the perimeter to
Speaker 1: be on that list. So it's like, how do you
Speaker 1: want it. Do you want a guy that's going to
Speaker 1: shoot thirty five shots and try and take your soul?
Speaker 1: Or do you want a guy that's going to shoot
Speaker 1: eighteen shots and you're just like, he doesn't miss. This
Speaker 1: guy just doesn't miss what you want me to do.
Speaker 1: Do you still do you hold a beef against anybody
Speaker 1: a grudge? Are you mad at anybody that you played against?
Speaker 1: If I do, I wouldn't. I wouldn't say it. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say it because any beef that I had, any
Speaker 1: beef that I have a lot of, it had to
Speaker 1: do with less about basketball and more about and because
Speaker 1: like basketball beef is kind of like a frustrating it's
Speaker 1: a playing like I can't fan Chane Battier and Jay
Speaker 1: will because they beat me when I was in the
Speaker 1: National Championship Game. But anything like anything that gets past that.
Speaker 1: If there's any real beef is because there was something
Speaker 1: that was probably a line that was crossed, and you know,
Speaker 1: we'll just keep those between the lines, are you? You
Speaker 1: know when you lose that game, is Jay will is
Speaker 1: he allowed to brag to you? Like? How often does
Speaker 1: that come up where somebody goes remember the national Ziano
Speaker 1: game or I bring it up nine times out of ten?
Speaker 1: Would wear around each other, so because you know, it
Speaker 1: doesn't validate me being mean to him or meat cracking
Speaker 1: jokes and with him, or me just you know, messing
Speaker 1: with him a little bit. But no, man, it's a
Speaker 1: competitive thing. It really is, Like there are people that
Speaker 1: you still like genuinely. You're just like, look, I'll be professional,
Speaker 1: especially in this industry now that we're in the broadcast boot,
Speaker 1: I'll be professional. But yeah, yeah, there's definitely there's always
Speaker 1: going to be beefs that that never leave. That's just
Speaker 1: part of what's ingrained in us. I Also, one thing
Speaker 1: I've been bringing up all morning long is if I
Speaker 1: factor in where Jannis was a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 1: where he had that hyper extended knee Richard and you know,
Speaker 1: I had guys who had the channing Fry said, I
Speaker 1: I don't think he plays again like I've had that injury.
Speaker 1: It's six weeks. The fact that he had that injury
Speaker 1: and he did what he did last night and what
Speaker 1: he's doing in the finals, I don't know if people
Speaker 1: have truly talked about that. Even if you don't have
Speaker 1: the injury to do what he did last night, and
Speaker 1: then you factor in the injury and they had the
Speaker 1: wherewithal to go, I'm gonna go up there and try
Speaker 1: to get this and then actually get that block. You
Speaker 1: got a factor in the knee. Well, you have to
Speaker 1: fact but it was like the first game you can
Speaker 1: see that he was still just testing it out, and
Speaker 1: him testing out his knee was twenty and fifteen, right,
Speaker 1: and then once he felt comfortable with his knees, all right,
Speaker 1: it's time to go to work. And you know that
Speaker 1: was just a competence. Is his kneed probably one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: But I'm not going to talk about a knee when
Speaker 1: you've gone back to back forty point games. I was
Speaker 1: used to talk about your knee. I'll applaud you, I'll
Speaker 1: recognize the fact that you did that after missing a week,
Speaker 1: but I'm not going to and you know what's crazy
Speaker 1: is sometimes when you have that type of injury, this
Speaker 1: is not a positive, but you have to find the
Speaker 1: silver lining. The rest of your body gets rested. You
Speaker 1: look at Chris Paul in this series, or in the
Speaker 1: last five games, he went from like forty one to
Speaker 1: thirty three to twenty two to nineteen to whatever he
Speaker 1: had last night. Every single game he's gotten worse statistically,
Speaker 1: including the turnovers from last game. So you look at
Speaker 1: it and you could see statistically it looks like he's
Speaker 1: wearing down. Where all of a sudden, you get Yannis
Speaker 1: a week break where the rest of his body can relax,
Speaker 1: his muscles can recover all of the things. And don't forget,
Speaker 1: he's called the Greek freak. At twenty six years old,
Speaker 1: you can literally stab yourself in the leg with a knife,
Speaker 1: pull it out, then watch it heal in real time.
Speaker 1: That's what happens when you're that young, and especially when
Speaker 1: you're a physical specimen like him. We don't recommend that,
Speaker 1: by the way, for anybody who's no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: only only only Yannis can do that. I'm not, I'm not.
Speaker 1: This is a scientific experiment. It's been proven, there's like
Speaker 1: eight guys in history to I can heal back quickly?
Speaker 1: All right, Monty Williams has a decision to make on
Speaker 1: what you do with Chris Paul, because I do love
Speaker 1: the Bucks and Drew Holiday picking him up three quarters
Speaker 1: court and making him work a little bit more So,
Speaker 1: what kind of pressure is Chris Paul facing here this
Speaker 1: next game? He's facing a ton And you know, we'll
Speaker 1: go into archives and I'll give you an example. My
Speaker 1: first year in Cleveland, obviously I'm an idiot. My first
Speaker 1: year in San Antonio, we played against Jason Kidd and
Speaker 1: he wasn't with Dallas. They were the two seed, and
Speaker 1: Jason Kidd is an older point guard, very similar. You
Speaker 1: would never dare pick up Chris Paul. You would never
Speaker 1: dare pick up Jason Kidd. But once you pick those
Speaker 1: guys up, right, because a lot of times you give
Speaker 1: them that respect, but once you pick them up, they
Speaker 1: view it as disrespect. But they don't have the same
Speaker 1: motor at thirty two and at twenty eight. So now
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you see them wearing down. And
Speaker 1: what's so crazy is that they're wearing He's wearing down
Speaker 1: with two days rest and we're going to say wearing down.
Speaker 1: We're gonna stay wearing down because God knows, we don't
Speaker 1: want to say. Is Chris Paul getting nervous? Is Chris
Speaker 1: Paul just squeezing on too tight? Because we've seen this before.
Speaker 1: We've seen this over the course of his career. To
Speaker 1: be so close to the mountaintop, so close to the
Speaker 1: conference finals, so close to the NBA Finals, now so
Speaker 1: close to a championship, and all of a sudden you
Speaker 1: start to see some weird things, like some of these turnovers,
Speaker 1: Like these weren't wearing down. These were turnovers that were
Speaker 1: very uncharacteristic of a person of his caliber at the
Speaker 1: highest of moments. So don't be surprised if over the
Speaker 1: next forty eight hours you start to hear is Chris
Speaker 1: Paul getting nervous? Is Chris Paul starting to become clipper
Speaker 1: Chris Paul? Is it starting to become Houston Chris Paul.
Speaker 1: That's what you're going to start hearing over the next
Speaker 1: forty eight hours. So Chris Paul has a lot to
Speaker 1: think about and digest, and I think all of the
Speaker 1: pressure falls on the Phoenix Suns in this moment. Great
Speaker 1: stuff Richard, We appreciate your time, safe travels. Thanks for
Speaker 1: joining us. Dan such a huge fan man, thanks for
Speaker 1: having I gotta give a shout out to my guy Sully.
Speaker 1: He was excited when he found out that I was
Speaker 1: gonna be on your show. Awesome, thank you, Thank you, Sully.
Speaker 1: Richard Jefferson, the Mothership analyst and Yes Network analysts with
Speaker 1: the Nets also won a championship with Lebron Bad and
Speaker 1: Boston joins us Bad. What's on your mind today? Hey, Dan?
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say thank you for all the
Speaker 1: years of I've gone through six knee replacements, going through
Speaker 1: another one in August second just amazing. And I can't
Speaker 1: pay my knees anymore, but I could shoot free throws
Speaker 1: better than you Janos could. Wait, you're on your your
Speaker 1: third knee replacement, six six? How many knees do you have?
Speaker 1: I think I have full length now. Wow. I barely
Speaker 1: got through my my one knee replacement. Believe he took
Speaker 1: my phone call. I'm so appreciative. It's I've been trying
Speaker 1: for years to get through to you. Since twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: I finally found you on MSNBC and YouTube and allis
Speaker 1: and then I finally found you on wherever. But you
Speaker 1: guys have made my life amazing. Well, thank you, Bete,
Speaker 1: and good luck with that next surgery. Once again, we
Speaker 1: dominate with guys who can't get up to change the TV.
Speaker 1: I mean we do you have six knee surgeries? We're
Speaker 1: here for yes, yes, yeah, I mean I don't. I don't,
Speaker 1: you know, root for somebody to have another knee surgery,
Speaker 1: another knee replacement. But if you do, we're here for you. See.
Speaker 1: I just love that. Right now, at this very moment,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of incapacitated people that are like, he's
Speaker 1: not wrong, he is not wrong. If I could only
Speaker 1: get up and change the channel, I would, Although I
Speaker 1: just sounded like Jimmy Stewart. I'm sorry, I'm sor right, well,
Speaker 1: mister Potter, Yes, time and all these surgeons and physical
Speaker 1: therapists are taking credit for all these great healing when
Speaker 1: it's actually them just listening to you. Thank you. Yes,
Speaker 1: we should be getting a lot more advertising from you know,
Speaker 1: like hospitals in the medical community. I mean, like we're
Speaker 1: crushing right now. Some of our fans are getting elective
Speaker 1: surgeries just they could stay home for a stretch and
Speaker 1: watch us. I just call that. I don't need it. Yes,
Speaker 1: I didn't know we were on MSNBC. We weren't remember
Speaker 1: was so annoying we get bumped for the election. No, No,
Speaker 1: always in NBC, y Scarborough always arguing, no, are we
Speaker 1: that hard to find? My way? We might be. You
Speaker 1: know what, we're playing hard to get. That's it's that
Speaker 1: we're hard to find. We're playing hard to get. Let's
Speaker 1: take a break. Last call for phone calls back after this.
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Speaker 1: phone calls, what we learn, What's in store tomorrow, got
Speaker 1: to meet Friday tomorrow. And I've just been told hot dogs.
Speaker 1: I think it's National hot Dog Month. Sweet, and I'm
Speaker 1: looking at three different kinds of hot dogs. PAULI always
Speaker 1: talks about the Chicago style hot dog. It doesn't look good.
Speaker 1: I think it looks great. Sometimes sometimes it's too busy
Speaker 1: for people. Yeah, too much stuff. Yeah, I just I
Speaker 1: need it. It's simple. You could have a little toasted bun,
Speaker 1: put a little ketchup on there. If you want to
Speaker 1: do a chili dog, I'm fine with that. But you
Speaker 1: don't have to do too much chili dog. You put
Speaker 1: a little base of mustard and onion just under the
Speaker 1: chili and you could do that. Yes, so you don't
Speaker 1: want cucumber and tomatoes and all that wacky stuff all over.
Speaker 1: I don't blame that wacky Chicago stuff. Yes, question for
Speaker 1: our audience, you guys, I always hear about the Dodger dog.
Speaker 1: Isn't it just a hot dog? Or is there something
Speaker 1: magical about the Dodger dog. I've had the Dodger dog,
Speaker 1: but I don't know the magic of it. But I
Speaker 1: think it's because you're at that setting. Therefore the Dodger
Speaker 1: dog taste a whole lot better. Remember when Seton Seaton
Speaker 1: was doing vegan or vegetarian and then he went to
Speaker 1: Fenway and just going outside and having one of those
Speaker 1: Fenway francs. You know, it tastes like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is this is manna from heaven and all it
Speaker 1: is is a dog, you know, street meat. It's one
Speaker 1: of the best things I've ever tasted in my entire life.
Speaker 1: Did you have two of them? Or did you just
Speaker 1: have one? And I had half of one? Split? I
Speaker 1: split it, okay, But you you hadn't had meat and
Speaker 1: how long years? And you just go outside? Yeah I was.
Speaker 1: I was at my wife's high school reunion, was at Fenway,
Speaker 1: and yeah, obviously I had a bunch of drinks. At
Speaker 1: that and we got outside and the dude was right
Speaker 1: there at the cart and I was like, we're getting
Speaker 1: one of those. And it was wonderful, wonderful. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: Dodger doctor said, there's a racetrack Martinsville Speedway. I think
Speaker 1: in Virginia they have a red hot Yeah. I got
Speaker 1: to go the years ago. I like seven of them
Speaker 1: in a twelve hour span. They have really good. So
Speaker 1: we have hot dogs tomorrow. I don't know what the
Speaker 1: other two are. No, we have Chicago hot dogs, but
Speaker 1: we have we have three dogs tomorrow, different dogs, and
Speaker 1: you can try all of them if you want. I
Speaker 1: will do that. You'll try at Chicago, don't, I'll try
Speaker 1: all the why not? Okay, there's another place in Fenway
Speaker 1: this I think it calls himself the sub King or
Speaker 1: something like that, where you can get like a hot
Speaker 1: talk or swatchers. But he also has like try tip
Speaker 1: or some kind of steak sandwich. It's fabulous, like right
Speaker 1: there on Yucky Way or whatever. It's great, Thank you too,
Speaker 1: You're welcome. All righty check that out? Oh Kenny David
Speaker 1: and Oregon. Hey David, what's on your mind today? Hi?
Speaker 1: There found a long time first time, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to change your fast fact of the days out of
Speaker 1: the day. Because the Blazers in their first year won
Speaker 1: twenty nine games, not the twenty seven the gentleman reference. Okay,
Speaker 1: most of those, most of those times where they doubled
Speaker 1: up against Buffalo and Cleveland. I think those they played
Speaker 1: them so many times. I can't remember, but I do.
Speaker 1: And that also was a year where Jeff Petrie and
Speaker 1: Cowen were co Rookies of the Year. Yeah, nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: the Blazers, Jeff Petrie out of Princeton, Dave Cowens with
Speaker 1: the Celtics. Also, when you think back to the Great
Speaker 1: Coin Toss and how it changed the NBA, the Bucks
Speaker 1: and the Sons had a coin toss and the winner
Speaker 1: got Luell Sindor. The Sons lost the coin toss and
Speaker 1: took Neil Walk. Are you're saying there's a difference beween
Speaker 1: those guys, Yes, there was a little bit of a
Speaker 1: difference between Well, one was right handed, one was left handed,
Speaker 1: I think that, and both were about seven feet Neil
Speaker 1: Walk around six to eleven. But yeah, I mean you
Speaker 1: think about that, a coin toss decided that lu All
Speaker 1: Sindoor goes to Milwaukee, they win a championship there and
Speaker 1: Neil Walk. I don't know how long Neil played in
Speaker 1: the NBA. He might have played ten years. Yeah, Pauling, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got Neil Walk having an eight yearn BE a career.
Speaker 1: But unfortunately he scored forty five thousand fewer points in
Speaker 1: creament or minutes played. He scored thirty one thousand fewer
Speaker 1: points in that cream. Okay, all right, Yeah that was
Speaker 1: That was one of those where you went, oh gosh,
Speaker 1: Phoenix got Neil Walk. I didn't know anything about Neil
Speaker 1: Walk at the time because I was probably thirteen, and
Speaker 1: I just remember I knew everything about Luell Sendor and
Speaker 1: I thought, oh my god, Milwaukee is going to be
Speaker 1: the best team in the league. They got the best
Speaker 1: player in Luell Sendor. David in California joining us on
Speaker 1: the program. Hi, David, Hey David from Pomona. This is
Speaker 1: on five ten one ninety five, and I just wanted
Speaker 1: to explain the difference between the Ala dog, the Dodger Dog,
Speaker 1: and the official Ala Dog. The Dodger Dog is just
Speaker 1: the extra long leener that hangs at the end of
Speaker 1: the bun and I think they just got rid of
Speaker 1: it at Dodgers Stadium news year to the farmer John
Speaker 1: or whatever. But the real ala dog right ready, it's
Speaker 1: called the danger dog because at any event, you can
Speaker 1: walk outside and it's wrapped with bacon and you eat
Speaker 1: it from the street on the cart, right, And it's
Speaker 1: danger dog because it's eat at your own risk. All right, Thanks,
Speaker 1: thank you, David, thank you. Yes, yeah, we had an
Speaker 1: idea for a short film maybe after Todd tries three
Speaker 1: kinds of hot dogs, put a camera in his car,
Speaker 1: furious ten and I'm not gonna try that Danger Dog
Speaker 1: at it. By the way, I'll be driving ninety miles.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it. I'm not gonna make it. I
Speaker 1: have a special card if I get pulled over by
Speaker 1: the police, I do have a card. I do you
Speaker 1: do allow it? That's supposed to allow me to cut
Speaker 1: the line at like sporting eventual time. It's never used
Speaker 1: it and especially like in a place like Yankee Steam,
Speaker 1: they would never let me come way. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like a disability kind of I don't know what it's called.
Speaker 1: How have you had this card? Not that long? But
Speaker 1: I found out that that's that's something that you can
Speaker 1: have and that it entitles you to like cutting the
Speaker 1: line at a you know, movie theater, or supporting him.
Speaker 1: If you get pulled over by the police, you showed
Speaker 1: that card, I would probably first say my dad was
Speaker 1: a police officer and play that card, please give me
Speaker 1: another chance. They probably wouldn't care. I don't think any
Speaker 1: do that. I think you just say I'm sorry, officer,
Speaker 1: and then you hand the gun. I have a situation
Speaker 1: and I probab shouldn't have had that pepperoni slice right
Speaker 1: before my long commute home. But anyway, here's a card
Speaker 1: that says, this is why I'm going ninety. I don't
Speaker 1: want to put out the people at risk, and I
Speaker 1: really got to get over to that McDonald's. Drive through
Speaker 1: a place nobody. That's why I would do that. I
Speaker 1: want to use it too. I would use that get
Speaker 1: out of jail, go through a red light. I don't
Speaker 1: take points off my license. I have a like a
Speaker 1: medical reason why I'm driving like a madman. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's a get out of jail, but it's get in
Speaker 1: the bathroom card. It really is. Yes, it is thank you, Yes, Yes.
Speaker 1: I was once at a restaurant and the restaurant mixed
Speaker 1: up my wife's margharita and my son's lemonade, and they
Speaker 1: gave her the lemonade and they gave him the margharita,
Speaker 1: and so naturally we went nuts um and they gave
Speaker 1: us a card that says, I think we're next, and
Speaker 1: so you just doesn't matter. There could be five hundred
Speaker 1: people in line. You go to the front of the line.
Speaker 1: You just say, I think we're next. You know, Okay,
Speaker 1: here you go, sir. And the son wanted to go
Speaker 1: back to the next night because he loved the drink. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he slept great. I could tell you that I've had
Speaker 1: my kids like take a sip of my beer when
Speaker 1: they were really young. But that was that was on purpose.
Speaker 1: Let's go around the room. What we learned on the program?
Speaker 1: Hey Todd, Hey doing? What did you what? I was
Speaker 1: waiting to submit for what I love? I don't know
Speaker 1: if you wanted me to make some kind of bower mark,
Speaker 1: but probably not. We only have a twenty seconds. Chris
Speaker 1: Mannock says if the Suns would have one game four,
Speaker 1: it would be remembered as Referee's gone wild. The Devin
Speaker 1: Booker no call. Nice finish. You flushed it what we
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