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Speaker 1: Hey want to welcome in. I'm Doug Gotlie. This is

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Speaker 1: all ball and though it is the heart of college

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Speaker 1: basketball season, the NBA has cranked up with the trade

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Speaker 1: deadline and we have more great conversations and content before

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Speaker 1: you getting ready for the NCAA tournament and for the

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Speaker 1: playoff push in the NBA. We conclude over the next

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Speaker 1: two podcasts our Jack Easterby series. Jack was portrayde he

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Speaker 1: and a Sports Ills Trade article as some sort of

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Speaker 1: nefarious religious zealot leader in Houston. But his journey is

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Speaker 1: fascinating as well as to the reality to who he

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Speaker 1: is and what he's about and how he had a

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Speaker 1: meteoric rise within the world of the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: So when we started, here was a college golfer and

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Speaker 1: basketball player in South Carolina who began the climb with

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Speaker 1: an internship in Jacksonville, spending time at the University of

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Speaker 1: working with the Kansas City Chiefs with Scott Pioli, and

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Speaker 1: of course Paoli is a former Patriot Sky. This portion

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Speaker 1: of the journey takes them to the New England Patriots.

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Speaker 1: That's where we pick up. But Jack easterby. So Jack,

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Speaker 1: you mentioned twenty thirteen you lose to the Ravens. Hey,

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Speaker 1: but that loss, excuse me, lost to the Broncos. Mentioned

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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, lose to the Broncos, and that helped kind

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Speaker 1: of trigger some changes that allowed the next wave of

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Speaker 1: the Patriots. Um, what did what? What was your role

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Speaker 1: in all this at this time? Well? I think Bill

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Speaker 1: certain things coming back from that game that we wanted

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Speaker 1: to evaluate, and then there were certain things that you

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Speaker 1: don't evaluate, Like, so you know that Tom Brady's your quarterback, right,

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Speaker 1: and you know that you've got a certain set of

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Speaker 1: perspective that you know, you're not evaluating. You're just looking

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Speaker 1: for how you're going to use them differently in those

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Speaker 1: types of things. But I think from a standpoint of

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Speaker 1: I think what Bill really looked to me for was

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Speaker 1: how can we strategically look at a twelvemonth program, meaning

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Speaker 1: we've got a game that week, But how can we

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Speaker 1: look at a twelve month program that develops all of

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Speaker 1: the players and the staff holistically as people, allowing them

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Speaker 1: to set goals for themselves, allowing them to know how

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Speaker 1: they contribute to team success, and really diving into their

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Speaker 1: well being and also their job description and encouraging them

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Speaker 1: fun things where we were able to, you know, meet

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Speaker 1: goals for themselves within with our coordinator, we were able

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Speaker 1: began to do some offseason let's just call it team building,

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Speaker 1: which was really cool because, like if you think about it,

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Speaker 1: within the NFL, you know, the offseason has really changed

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Speaker 1: there's not a lot of financial incentive for them to

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Speaker 1: building of their team. But when you're a part of

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Speaker 1: so when you're those events are elevated into the offseason curriculum,

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Speaker 1: then obviously Bill and all of the coaching staffs, you know,

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Speaker 1: when we would bring those guys in for their thirty

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Speaker 1: personal science, what was your personal evl or in terms

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Speaker 1: you want to try to simulate that role while they're

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Speaker 1: doing that interview process. So I think that you know,

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Speaker 1: our coordinators and Bill did a great job of when

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Speaker 1: understanding specifically what that day would look like from a standpoint,

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Speaker 1: then having asking some questions about, you know, how they're

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Speaker 1: And I think, you know, Bill really did an amazing

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Speaker 1: That's that's a very accurate description. That next year, you know,

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Speaker 1: an evolution at the time and other teams have done it,

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Speaker 1: the waiver wire, and you know the Troy Brown's playing

430
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 1: both ways, and you know, from West to Ammendola to Edelman,

431
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 1: you know, finding these guys that other people hadn't they

432
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: hadn't been as valuable too. And I mean West Welker

433
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: should have at least a conversation to being the Hall

434
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 1: of Fame, like he's the most dynamic third down threat

435
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: maybe in the history of the league. Definitely during his

436
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 1: time with the Patriots. But they weren't well like and

437
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 1: a fan. And I'd say many of the media connected

438
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: to oh this is the Patriots. They always find a way,

439
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: you know, they want to skirt the rules. They're the

440
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: bad guys of the NFL all day and you know,

441
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: coming coming off the week where Tom Brady's like, better

442
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: read the rule book, you know. So it's a it

443
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 1: was an interesting dynamic. Then you have the game, which

444
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: this was the game with the Malcolm Butler play, wasn't it?

445
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: That was that was the same year. Yeah. What's what's

446
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 1: amazing about that one is two things get lost in

447
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: that play. In that because that interception was so much

448
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 1: a part of preparation and as you said, the intelligence

449
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: of Malcolm to remember the preparation, need to know what

450
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: is coming, jumped the route and make the play. But

451
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: the two things are lost is people forgot. Patriots are

452
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: down ten heading into the fourth quarter and Brady, regardless

453
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: of winter lose, he led them on a great touchdown

454
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 1: drive right. And then Belichick I was sitting there watching

455
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: the game, going let him score, let him score, you

456
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: get Brady gets the ball back. He didn't let him score,

457
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: but he also didn't call time out right, and it

458
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: seemed to work for him. I just I wonder how

459
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: what your lens, your view was of how that game ended,

460
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: because again mine is of a fan, Yours is somebody

461
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: who you're around for all the preparation all the discussions,

462
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: everything that's going on. What do you remember about the

463
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: end of that game? Well, you know, it's interesting when

464
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: you're talking about super Bowl plays in super Bowl memories,

465
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: I personally, as I just sit with my wife and reminisce,

466
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: I remember different things in relationship to the key plays

467
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: of some of these amazing games. Right. So, like you know,

468
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: for example, the Super Bowl come back play or come

469
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 1: back we had in um uh in Houston. Yeah, I

470
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: remember Julio jones Is catch was the almost greatest. Everybody

471
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: talks about elements catch. Julio's catch was amazing. That's that's right,

472
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: that's right. Or you know, I remember Dante high Tower

473
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,719
Speaker 1: coming off the edge, you know in them, you know,

474
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: sliding the protection and putting the back on him and

475
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, avoiding the back and creating the strip sack. Right.

476
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: And so there are plays that I feel athletically or

477
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: just like wow. And I don't know if that's just

478
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: having a background in basketball where you've seen you know,

479
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: athletic plays that you know, people dunking on people or

480
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 1: things like freaks of nature that you're like, I don't

481
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: that's a great point. It's like, that's right when you

482
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: have an athletic background. I anybody can see these normal

483
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: spectacular plays, but there are certain plays you're like, I

484
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: don't think it translates on TV. How freaky What some

485
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: of these guys can do is yeah, yeah, and let's

486
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: let's uh and you just mentioned and drive. I think

487
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: it's you know before that in the game, Julian Edelman

488
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: runs basically, you know, just a short, little incut route.

489
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: Um basically, And if you get a chance to watch

490
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: that game, um, he just runs a little return right.

491
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: He's in single coverage in the red zone and he

492
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: had run that route earlier in the game and we

493
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: had missed it, and he runs us a single return route.

494
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: He kind of ducks his head under the defender. It's

495
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 1: one of the best footwork routes. I mean, it's clinic tape,

496
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: and he catches it all by himself in the end

497
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: zone to score. So I remember that play specifically speaking

498
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: to the Arizona Super Bowl. I remember that return route

499
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: that he ran. That was just unbelievable. I remember Dante

500
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: high Tower on the play before the Malcolm Butler play

501
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: kind of tripping Marshawn and getting through and kind of

502
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: making this kind of almost like Trip with his putting

503
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: his arm out and stopping the ball, which obviously created

504
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: some doubt and hesitation in their mind on whether they

505
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: could run the ball. And you know, there was a

506
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 1: no brainer. Everybody says, run the ball, run the ball, right.

507
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: What what happens is when you've got players like High Tower,

508
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, and other players, you know, Vince will Ford,

509
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: who were who were decent run stoppers. You know, as

510
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: a play caller, you start thinking, all right, well, I

511
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: can't keep doing the same thing. I gotta do something

512
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: different here, right, And so that puts some hesitation in

513
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: their minds. As far as timeout usage, you know, defensive

514
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: timeout usage is a whole different category than offensive timeout usage, right.

515
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't put myself in an expert category of

516
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: timeout usage by any means, but I would just say,

517
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: watching Bill, who is an expert, I would just say,

518
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: defensive timeout usage and how it's used, whether your defense

519
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: is gassed or whether obviously you're trying to get the

520
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: ball back, or whether or not, you know, you have

521
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: a situation where you had the wrong personnel in the

522
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: game and you just got to burn one to get

523
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: everybody set up, right. I think there's a massive amount

524
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: of reasons you do or don't use time out, um,

525
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, him not using the time out there. I

526
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: think that the play clock and the way that that

527
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: play winds down, uh, it looks like potentially making them

528
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: freeze and us having a chance, you know, to get

529
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: our hand on a ball or potentially stop them. Probably

530
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: is is decent high probability, right because the way they

531
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: got down there, if you remember, was essentially a almost

532
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: like a freak play. Remember, so they throw the y,

533
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: you throw the over oute to you know, Malcolm, it's

534
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: a double tip situation, you know, and then Darn has

535
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: to I think tag him down or maybe Devin because

536
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: we didn't even know if he had caught the ball

537
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: right right, This is before a lot of the stuff

538
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: that goes on now with the replay stuff. So it

539
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: wasn't like either team you know, was moving the ball

540
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: just free flow, right. There was a lot of you know,

541
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: let's just say, you know, Brady's stuff was very methodical,

542
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: and then on their side, there was a lot of

543
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: chunk plays that were Russell extending the play and kind

544
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: of throwing the ball up. So I think there was

545
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,479
Speaker 1: reason to believe that our defense could could hold it

546
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: specifically if there was going to be you know, you know,

547
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: between the tackles running type of stuff, so you know,

548
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: him him not calling time out there, I think is

549
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: obviously it worked out right, and so whenever it works out,

550
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: it looks genius. But I think I would say the

551
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: defensive the defensive time out and again I just used

552
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: basketball because we both know it so well. Is like

553
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: calling up time out after a made basket? Yeah, yeah,

554
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 1: is totally you know, discretionary from a coaching standpoint, right.

555
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: A lot of people do that to set their defense.

556
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: A lot of people do it to sub. But if

557
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: you're let's say down X them out and you don't

558
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: need to set your defense, you don't need to sub,

559
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: there's no real reason to do it. So same thing here.

560
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: I think if you can get the players on the field,

561
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: you believe that the clock in some ways and that

562
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: last play not working out is potentially to your benefit.

563
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: And now they're beginning to question themselves and you can

564
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: match them with a personnel within the play clock, it

565
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: might be better to let it run and that builds

566
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: a little pleasure on the play caller. What was that

567
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: like to be a part of a Super Bowl winning

568
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: team that was the first one for you. That's right,

569
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, it was surreal. Um. You know, you

570
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: think about, I'll tell you this, and this is gonna

571
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: sound a little cheesy, but you can respect this because

572
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: of your relationship with teams and being a players, guys,

573
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: you immediately think about the journey, right, Like, the moment

574
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: was so big, right, and Malcolm, you know, catching that

575
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: ball and and everybody's celebrating with him and you know,

576
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: hugging him and obviously all that. But you immediately once

577
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: that subsides you you go back to the hotel preparing

578
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: for you know, the after party, you know, with my family,

579
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: and you're just thinking about this journey. Man. You're just

580
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: thinking about you know, on to Cincinnati, you know, and

581
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: you're thinking about all these things that go on throughout

582
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: the course of a twelve month period where you're launching

583
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: that team, that specific team, and you know, people that

584
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: may have been injured and couldn't play in the game, right,

585
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: or people that played a role. You know, certain weeks

586
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: played one role and then the other weeks played another role.

587
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: And then you're thinking about the growth of the people, right,

588
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 1: how many people throughout the year grew and I mean

589
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: you got to remember when you go through an NFL

590
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: season different than some other sports. I mean, so much

591
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: happens between when the players really show up in April

592
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: all the way through February. I mean you're talking about

593
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: children being born, right, people, you know, going through marriage,

594
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: you know, all the different things that happened within a

595
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: twelve month period of a football program. Life happens fast.

596
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: And so I remember sitting there thinking about, you know

597
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: that night, like wow, look at all that's happened since

598
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: this group first got together, and the maturation of the group,

599
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: and in thinking about just how cool that was to

600
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: culminate in a moment like that was just special? Um,

601
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: how what what is the Is there a secret sauce

602
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: to their ability to Brady Stams for what's your favorite

603
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: super Bowl? The next one? Right? But there's something to

604
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: their mentality because so many other teams usually teams at

605
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: losing Super Bowl, but so many other teams look at

606
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: the rams um you know, you go. Buccaneers had never

607
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: been the same since they won their Super Bowl a

608
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Obviously their ability to sustain success.

609
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: They lost the next year of you guys lost the

610
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: next year to Denver. That was a dominant defense, right

611
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: that was Peyton's last year in a really really close game,

612
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: and then won a Super Bowl. We'll get to that

613
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: the following year for that. But after winning the Super Bowl,

614
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: in terms of your learning process, what'd you learn from

615
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: Bill and that that group in terms of how they

616
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 1: handled success and then we're able to continue to push

617
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: forward to the next season without resting on their laurels.

618
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: I would say this, and we'll probably talk about this

619
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: later as we talk about, you know, the bigger picture

620
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,479
Speaker 1: of other franchises in sports in general, I would say,

621
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: because of the way that the hardcap works right within

622
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: the NFL, and then also the way that contracts and

623
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: or you know, let's say player evaluation works, I think

624
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: every years its own entity, and so I think whether

625
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: or not you understand it completely, uh you know, as

626
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: a as a person who's working in the building, Uh,

627
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: you know, you may not understand completely every factor that

628
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, coaching or GM's going through to establish year

629
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: to year success. But I would just say this is like,

630
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: you know, the ability for Bill to you know, start

631
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: over every year with essentially a blank whiteboard, understanding that

632
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: there may be some key things that carry over. But

633
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: if the reset button in our minds is the fact

634
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: that things do not carry over, and that you have

635
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: to reprove yourself to each other. You have to reprove

636
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: yourselves to the game, You have to reprove yourselves to

637
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: the building, you have to reprove yourself to practice, You

638
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: have to reprove yourself to you know, the group that

639
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: you're working specifically with in your workflow, whether that's skill

640
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: players or our medical team or anything. I think Bill

641
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: was very committed, and I think this is maybe and

642
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: I'm guessing, but probably because he had been a part

643
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: of you know, programs in Cleveland and the New York

644
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 1: Giants and the Jets, where he knew how important each

645
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: year was to try to build the Super Bowl. Obviously,

646
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: in the game was the end of that year for

647
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: that team, but very quickly it started, Okay, what is

648
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: the next year's team? Right? And so you know there

649
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: was playing in the super Bowl, the pinnacle of their

650
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: life in their athletic achievement, that knew they wouldn't be

651
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: back on the Patriots the following year. Right. I think

652
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: you just really have to allow it to stand alone

653
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: because the truth is that every year is its own year,

654
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: and no matter how much you may want continuity from

655
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 1: the emotional standpoint, it's just not set up that way, right.

656
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: The structure is just not built for players and coaches

657
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: and executives and everybody to stay every year, um, within

658
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: a franchise, you know. And so he was really great

659
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: about just saying, hey, we're gonna we're gonna reprove ourselves

660
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: to each other and to the league. You know, each

661
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: calendar year for you personally, Um, where were you in

662
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: terms of staying going? You know, because they're you know,

663
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: now you're involved, You're you're kind of fully entrenched in

664
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: the Patriots family right from your time with Scott um

665
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: in Kansas City to now in New Land, and you know,

666
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: the pat you know, the kind of the Patriot way

667
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: had continued to be in different spots in the league.

668
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: Where were you after that first Super Bowl in terms

669
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: of wanting to do more or wanting to see what's next?

670
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: You know, that's a great question. I had seen so

671
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: much after that Denver loss in thirteen, just the ability

672
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: for Robert and for Bill to have uh, you know,

673
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: strategic resets on every level of the organization. Um and

674
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: or you know, affirmations where there needed to be that,

675
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: you know, after the fourteen Super Bowl, UM and us

676
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: transitioning into the next year. You know, I knew we

677
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: needed to double down on the high character approach around

678
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: the building. I knew there was a lot of good

679
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: people that were coming back, UM, players and or staff,

680
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: and so, UM, I just felt like, you know, hey, Bill,

681
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: whatever he gives me, you know, an additional roles or

682
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 1: additional things, UM, those would be things that I would

683
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: do and try to continue to prove myself elf, you know,

684
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: to him and others that, UM, you know, I could

685
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: be trusted with whatever the task that I was given were.

686
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: But UM, yeah, that that year, I just was obviously

687
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: more than anything excited about the next opportunity and the

688
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: conversations that we would have to double down on that

689
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: high character approach that we had kind of engaged in

690
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: in thirteen and fourteen. So uh, that offseason, that was

691
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: the Brady meeting with the league and you know and

692
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,959
Speaker 1: the supposed smashing of the phone, you know, and all

693
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: that other kind of craziness. UM. And of course he

694
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: played that whole year, and then was the following year

695
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: that he's got the the first four games but in

696
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: terms of always you know that that's the thing that

697
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: people admire about Bill is they are even when you win,

698
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: you're always trying to find what's next, what to fix? Um? What? What? What? What?

699
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: Was he what did he think needed to be changed

700
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: in order to continue on that path? As you said, like,

701
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: there's lots of guys that they win the Super Bowl

702
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: and hey, we can't have that. Part of the page

703
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: away is we can't just say because it was good

704
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: enough last year, it's going to be good enough next year. Right,

705
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: But what was Bill pushing for after that went over

706
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: the Seahawks. Well, I want to say, and I don't

707
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 1: remember exactly, but I want to say somewhere in there

708
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: was when we redid the building. Robert made a capital

709
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: investment in the building and the actual infrastructure of the

710
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: first floor where we operated out of from a football

711
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: operation perspective, and so there was some construction that was

712
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: going on in the locker room, there was some construction

713
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: that went on within our meeting rooms in other areas

714
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: to just continue to show the players and the staff

715
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: that you know, they the whole operation was championship caliber

716
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: from top to bottom. So that was good. I felt

717
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: like you know, obviously from a standpoint of continue, you know,

718
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: I think builded an amazing job, you know, after that

719
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: Super Bowl of continuing to develop the staff, you know,

720
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: I mean I just look back at independent of um,

721
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: how the roles were at the time. I mean, you

722
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: look at that staff. I mean there's just some amazing

723
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: you know, staff members between you know, Brian Flores and

724
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia and uh you know Chad o'sheay who had

725
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: a huge role as a wide receivers coach, and then

726
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: you know Josh McDaniels, who did a great job with

727
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: the offense. I just that that offseason, you know, and

728
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: then into the next year there was some awesome construction

729
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: around the building that began to I think elevate the

730
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: workflow and continue to develop how the modus operendi was

731
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: on the first floor, and then the double down on

732
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 1: the staff really to continue those roles so that we could,

733
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, cast the vision for again a high character

734
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: lost or a high character operation that could function under

735
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: pressure for long periods of time. And remember, like again,

736
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: if you're talking about playing an extra three or four games,

737
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: and you're talking about playing an extra three or four

738
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: games every year, you're talking about more time together, right,

739
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: you're talking about more practices, You're talking about more issues

740
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: that come up throughout the year. And so again, having

741
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: high character people is all the more important because the

742
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: reality is that that much time together is naturally going

743
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: to be a challenge because you know, we all have

744
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: stuff going on in life, and so being able to

745
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: navigate it was was very important. What was the second

746
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,479
Speaker 1: super Boy? You know, when you you know, they lost

747
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: to Denver and then you know we're talking now in

748
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: sixteen where Brady was suspended first four games and there

749
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: was already the interesting you know, Garoppolo had been drafted

750
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: and many thought he was the heir apparent. Obviously he

751
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: got hurt, and then you know, Jacoby Brissette comes in

752
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 1: and heck they against against the Texans, right they run

753
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: option football much of the game. Yeah, that's right. They

754
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: come out and run in high school college offense. What

755
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: stands out in that season? Yet, well, I think again

756
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: I just hate to keep saying the same phrase, but

757
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: you think about the players that were added, right, so

758
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: right around in their Trey Flowers began to emerge as

759
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: just a solid, you know, high character, multi position defensive player, right,

760
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,479
Speaker 1: we signed Chris Hogan, who at that time had been

761
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a I believe it more of

762
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: a special teams player in Buffalo and other places, and

763
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: had you know, come to the Patriots and just brought

764
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: amazing grit as a as a speedy wide receiver who

765
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: could do multiple things, and so um, you know, we

766
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: draft Malcolm Mitchell, who had played both offense and defense

767
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: at Georgia. And again I mentioned I think it was

768
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: a lacrosse player, right, who was an olden lacrosse player.

769
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: Yes he was. He was. He had played you know,

770
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: Penn State and had done both sports for a while.

771
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was just a gritty, tough, you know,

772
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: tough dude. And you go into the Super Bowl, Uh,

773
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: to fast forward it, it was all of those things, right.

774
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: It began to be all of those things that really

775
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 1: helped turning the corner. And if you watch that game closely,

776
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: you'll see, I mean you see offensive line protection right,

777
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: tuney and those guys who who had been drafted, who

778
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: were just consistent, tough, you know, high character, repeat performer

779
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: kind of guys, right, and then Hogan's showing up with

780
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: a tough catch, you know, late in the game, right,

781
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: and Mitchell shows up with a tough catch late in

782
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: the game. Uh, James White, who was we saw through

783
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,439
Speaker 1: what he went through personally, how just an amazingly high

784
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: character guy he was. And so I think again there

785
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: was just a real push at you know, high football

786
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: character and high personal character, and that gave that Teflon

787
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: type of feel to the locker room no matter what

788
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: happened from an adversity standpoint outside. So you mentioned Brissette,

789
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: you know obviously Jimmy and Tom. I mean, those guys

790
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: are all amazing humans, right, So you don't have that

791
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: type of operation where you're transitioning quarterbacks, You're transitioning scheme

792
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: a little bit, you're transitioning whose role is going to

793
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: be what week to week without the amazing character to

794
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: be able to sustain those changes regardless of what you

795
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: know the outside noise is. And I think that, to

796
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: me is was the testimony of that year, was you know,

797
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: is going a way for us to stay solid no

798
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 1: matter what's going on outside. And then the build towards

799
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: the end of the year being you know, obviously the

800
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: best football I want to get to the back of

801
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: the game in one second, but I'm sure you've been

802
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 1: fooled before, right, And by fooled, I mean in terms

803
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: of a character you v out, Right, how long before

804
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: you know that like, oh, that guys a phony, Like

805
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: he totally fooled us? Yeah, I mean I think in

806
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: in the NFL, like I mentioned about the offseason, right,

807
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: I think that the the environments are so different right now,

808
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: right from college. Right. So when you're looking at a

809
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: college athlete who is let's say going to school right

810
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: lifting weights. Uh, he's got X amount of stars, he's

811
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: been celebrated, he's you know, transitioned into a role there.

812
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: Maybe he plays wide receiver and that's all he does, right,

813
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: he plays x amount of plays. Uh, he's not involved

814
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: in special teams, you know, and you know he knows

815
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: his job is pretty much safe. And then you come

816
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: to the NFL and you've got a totally different set

817
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: of let's call it job descriptions. Um. And so the

818
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: reason I mentioned the offseason is I think when you

819
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: get there in the off season after having been in

820
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: college and a whole different job description, that's when you

821
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: begin to earn your NFL job description. Right? Can you

822
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: learn multiple positions? Right? Are you going to be able

823
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: to be out of practice every day and be healthy

824
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: and durable and sustain the level of performance to get

825
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: the reps in with the quarterbacker and in some case

826
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: in defensive side with the coordinator, and potentially with the scheme.

827
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: You know. So I would say, you know, it's it's

828
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: middle of the off season right where you see, Okay,

829
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: we've got x amount of people, we've got x amount

830
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: of roles, and we think that most of these people

831
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: can do these roles. Here's a couple that maybe we

832
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: had projected to be able to do these roles because

833
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: we thought maybe in college they could do them, and

834
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: doesn't look like they're going to be quite sustainable under

835
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: pression or repeatedly sustainable in relationship to the role that

836
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: they want or that we had projected for them. So

837
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 1: it's usually late in the off season that you start

838
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 1: kind of seeing and okay, you know who can who

839
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: can do it not? And then you obviously carry that

840
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: over into training camp as the roles begin to be

841
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: given out for real. Uh blaby games, Okay, twenty eight

842
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: to three, where were you sitting? Where? Where where are

843
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: you doing that? That game twenty three were real? So

844
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: one of the jobs I had in game was you

845
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: know the Microsoft tablets that they've given out now that

846
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: are so famous. Is my job end game was to

847
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: make sure those were working and helping coordinators in position

848
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: coaches with making sure those are on. So I would

849
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: just check them after every drive, make sure the players

850
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: have if they want to look at one and all

851
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: the pictures are uploading. So I would always go, you know,

852
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: around the back of the bench, you know, check and

853
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: look and see what specifically, um, you know, needed to

854
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,919
Speaker 1: be happening. And so technologically I was kind of would

855
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 1: do a loop behind the bench and then go stand

856
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,280
Speaker 1: on either side just to be out of the way

857
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: as we sub and as players coming on and off

858
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 1: in the game. Okay, so they m my memory stands correct.

859
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: Tom was not good in the first three quarters two

860
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: and a half three quarters that game, and one of

861
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: the reasons was struggle with protection, right, and if Tom

862
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 1: can't get to his spot, he's not the same guy.

863
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: Nobody isn't, especially Tom, how he how he plays what

864
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: changed well? I would say a couple of things. I

865
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: think we saw this a little bit in Tampa with

866
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,959
Speaker 1: with when Tom goes empty, you know, when he goes

867
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: empty or potentially you know, goes into the shotgun with

868
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 1: that type of two minutes get dreaded so quick. Yeah,

869
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: it's just the release points and the decisiveness and you know,

870
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: obviously the ability to predict who's going to be open

871
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: and know the scheme and know the defense and what

872
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: they're doing is just it's the best of all time.

873
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 1: And not saying that as if you know, we're comparing

874
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: it with somebody else, because quite frankly, I don't think

875
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: there's anybody even in the ballpark when you're running two

876
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: minute or you have you're up against obviously the time

877
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 1: and score. Um, you know, him having to be able

878
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: to take ten seconds to look at what the defense

879
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: is doing, to be able to make them declare it

880
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 1: with maybe some motion or an indicator or two and

881
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: then half to snap the ball and play. There's nobody

882
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: in the history of this game that's ever done it

883
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: like that. And so obviously we got into some of

884
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: that right as the end of the first half kind

885
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: of closed, and then as we came out, you know,

886
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: we knew we got to go here. So Josh did

887
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: a great job getting him in them some predictable formations

888
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: that he felt comfortable with. Uh, you know, we have

889
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: Josh and Tom would do a great job at halftime

890
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: of making changes that everybody else could understand. So maybe

891
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: there's a play that you know, we had run out

892
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: of a certain formation that we felt we could run

893
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 1: out of a different formation, Or maybe there was a

894
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 1: certain player that was a key part in a play

895
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: that we could trade out and run a different for

896
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: a different player, And there was some of that at halftime.

897
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: But more than anything, I would just say it half

898
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: time there was a real calm. I think there's been

899
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: some stories written about Deron. Harmon was sitting in the

900
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: middle of the locker room, you know, you had these

901
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: obviously big long locker rooms there at the Super Bowl,

902
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: and he was riding the bike and he kept just saying,

903
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, there's a lot of time left, right,

904
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: a lot of time left, you know. Julian Edelman said

905
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: a couple of cool things about you know, we've been

906
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: here before, right, We've been down before, because there was

907
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: other times where we had been down in big games

908
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: um in the past. So I just think it was

909
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: a sense of calm, a sense of understanding that that

910
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: didn't go well and building of a flush. It moved forward. Um,

911
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: And I don't think there was any magic, you know,

912
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: speech um. You know, I think Bill, you know, obviously,

913
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: like he always does, urged everybody to take it one

914
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: possession at a time. And you know, I think when

915
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: we came back out and began to score, when you

916
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: begin to score, you begin to look at the score.

917
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: I know that sounds dumb, but you know, if you

918
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: think about it, like when you begin when you're not scoring,

919
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: you you feel defeated. The whole sideline feels defeated. Or

920
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: when you begin to score and execute, but but but

921
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: but you know, you missed as extra point, score a touchdown,

922
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 1: miss the ex point. And it's one of the things

923
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: that that I don't know, I understand the analytics of

924
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: going for two. It's gonna explaining to me. But one

925
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: of the things that people I don't think take a

926
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: I don't think analytics shows is usually emotionally, when you score,

927
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: you feel great. When you miss the extra point. In

928
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: this case, it was a kick, right, but you miss

929
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: extra point, it almost feels like you didn't score or

930
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: the other team score. So you finally score a touchdown

931
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: and you miss an extra point, that's kind of that's

932
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: like an amazing part of the story talking about the

933
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 1: Julio Jones catch, I guess an amazing part of the

934
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: story that's not told. You know, that's that's right, No,

935
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: And we missed an extra point if I remember, right

936
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: in the Philly super Bowl too, and I think I

937
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: think the point Anna field law, yeah, yeah, yeah. I

938
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: think one of the things that's very interesting about that

939
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: is I think that going for two, right, there's a

940
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: time and score element in the current the way the

941
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: NFL is currently operating, there's a time and score element

942
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: to that that people begin to really look at in

943
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, right, looking at the total points and

944
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: or you know, when we should do that? Um. I

945
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: do think that there'll be an evolution to that. And

946
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,959
Speaker 1: I think you're hitting that something really important. I think

947
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's mathematically or just like what happened

948
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: Dallas recently and you maybe just don't believe in your kicker.

949
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: I do think that should be a fourth quarter or

950
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: a question just hey, should we go for this? Just

951
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: no question? Maybe you should go for it all the time, right, well,

952
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: and it gives you a chance to create some momentum,

953
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: right if you if you've got them on the ropes. Uh,

954
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: there could be some potential to you know, go for

955
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: it again, just in relationship, to even further momentum. It's

956
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: almost like you know, no, it's it's no, it's a

957
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: it's a it's a great point or or actually you

958
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: know it's it's it's kind of like, you know, come

959
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: down when a team, you know, let's down there, down fifteen.

960
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: Whenever you come down, instead of taking the lay up,

961
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: you take the three, you know, just to stick the diagorithm,

962
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you take I mean, I would just tell you.

963
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: I follow the Chargers as closely as anybody, and when

964
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: they lost to the Jaguars, I was just talking with

965
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: Tom Talasco last week and I was like, boy, I

966
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,879
Speaker 1: felt like he's like, yeah, we got really conservative. Yeah,

967
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: I was right. Then you should have gone for it.

968
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: They were fourth and three, fourth and three from like

969
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: the six yard buying or something. They kicked the field goal,

970
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 1: Like go for it and then go for two because

971
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: again now, because you know how it feels like you

972
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: give up another touchdown. Now they're going for two and

973
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: I score again. Now you just feel like the game

974
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: is over over and we can't stop him at anything.

975
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: So there is an element to that, you know what's

976
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: let me let me throw this out because this is

977
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: something nobody talks about. That Again, your your basketball background

978
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: will help you because I think you really love this

979
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: type of conversation. Is I think there's a huge difference

980
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: between a shot clock and a play clock because the

981
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: play clock doesn't in the possession. It only says that

982
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: the ball needs to be stabbed. But that's right. The

983
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: shot clock ends the possession, right right, And so what happens,

984
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: I think in basketball is because we're thinking naturally about

985
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: the possession ending, and hey, we got to make sure

986
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: we get a shot before you know whatever, is that

987
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 1: naturally you're progressive, you're aggressive thinking, and your progressive thinking

988
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: begins to with ten seconds left, it's like, okay, we

989
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: got to run a ball screen here. We're almost in

990
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: a different set of offense right at the end of

991
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 1: the shot clock because we know, no matter what happens

992
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: when that thing hits zero, we got to get a

993
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: shot up. But when you're running a play and the

994
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: play clock is governing it, right, you might be less

995
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 1: than your best with three seconds to go, but your

996
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: main initiative is not necessarily to make yards your main

997
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: position if it goes haywire, is to make sure the

998
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 1: ball snapped right. And so sometimes I think it can

999
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: get very interesting on what the clock makes you do.

1000
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: And so when you're talking about going for two, right,

1001
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: the clock doesn't indicate in any way go for two

1002
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,280
Speaker 1: until the game clock and the score begin to indicate

1003
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 1: to you to go for two. So, for example, if

1004
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: you have one second left on a shot clock and

1005
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: you're way beyond the three point line, you got to

1006
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: shoot it like that. It doesn't matter you're shooting a three,

1007
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: which is a lower percentage shot, but you have to

1008
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 1: pull it because if not, you're not getting a shot

1009
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: in that possession. This makes sense, Yeah, no, I understand.

1010
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:25,959
Speaker 1: I comply understand me. Where you going? I think there's

1011
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: something to the shot clock from the standpoint of how

1012
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: aggressive and progressive your selection to scoring becomes kind of

1013
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: almost pressed in on because of the you got to

1014
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: shoot it. You don't have a choice. And so it's

1015
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: almost like if there was a if there was a

1016
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: drive clock, right, you have x amount of you know,

1017
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: time to make a drive. And if that drive clock

1018
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: you if let's say, you know, you score quickly and

1019
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 1: you have a lot of time left, maybe you get

1020
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: more points, right, that would be then you'd be incentivized

1021
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: to run two minute offense versus there's no incentive right now,

1022
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: there's no incentive to run faster or slow. You just

1023
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: want to score points. And so that's why this two

1024
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: point thing, in my opinion, is so different in football,

1025
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 1: because it's got a lot of discretion. Sure, you score

1026
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: an extra point whereas you know, and and from an

1027
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: easier spot obviously than where you kick the field goal

1028
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: from um bill parcels. Of course, the mentor Bill Belichick

1029
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: famously said more games are lost than war. So the

1030
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: question I have for you is, did the Falcons actually

1031
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: lose that game as much as the Patriots won that game? Yeah?

1032
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: I mean I would say, you know, with that type

1033
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 1: of lead, you know, and and knowing that you've got

1034
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: you know, obviously control and the ability to at least

1035
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 1: make us call you know, make us call our time

1036
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 1: outs earlier in the game. Um, I think there were

1037
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,479
Speaker 1: definitely some things that marginally, you know, I'm sure Kyle

1038
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: and Dan wished to head back. So obviously being a

1039
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,479
Speaker 1: part of championship teams is amazing. In our next pod

1040
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: with Jack, we'll get into the Houston Texans, Why Houston,

1041
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: why it was working, what didn't work, and what ultimately

1042
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: led to that organization becoming kind of a dysfunctional mess.

1043
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: Where he is today and what's next for him A

1044
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: plus obviously more who content to come. But my thanks

1045
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: to Jack Eas should be for being so incredibly honest

1046
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: and giving us so much of his time. I can't

1047
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: get this content anywhere else. I'm Doug Goli. This is

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Speaker 1: all bold