WEBVTT - Nanohealthcare: The Tiny Doctors Inside Me

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot Com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. Julie. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>let's look in the future again. Why why don't we

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<v Speaker 1>closing mine? All right? Engaging third eye? Al Right, did

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<v Speaker 1>you get to the firestorms and the pyramids of bones?

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<v Speaker 1>You've gone too far? Okay, so back up a little bit. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>well what are you more to the point, what are

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<v Speaker 1>you seeing in terms of healthcare in the next um

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<v Speaker 1>century or two? Where are we going? I am seeing

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<v Speaker 1>the sort of healthcare where I can just basically, um like,

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<v Speaker 1>just take my finger and swipe it on some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of metal thing and it will tell me everything about

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<v Speaker 1>me I ever wanted to know. And how much calcium

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't vibed, I don't know potassium whatever. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you see? That's not very exciting one? Let me see

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Um, I'm seeing a day where instead of

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<v Speaker 1>taking um, like a multi vitamin vitamin every day, I

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<v Speaker 1>take one smart multi vitamin that that stays in my

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<v Speaker 1>system and administers for a year. Yeah, for administers like

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<v Speaker 1>a year. So it's like a tiny doctor that lives

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<v Speaker 1>inside me and uh and administers medication as needed. That yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and and actually that doesn't that's not too far off right,

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<v Speaker 1>right we are? I mean, the technology is coming together

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<v Speaker 1>now the and it basically comes down to and to

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<v Speaker 1>something that's kind of a can be kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>scary word for for people who are are not already

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<v Speaker 1>like me, deep in the field, and that is is

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<v Speaker 1>nanotechnology materials and ultimately a concept we're talking about called

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<v Speaker 1>nano manufacturing. Now. For me, anyway, I just finished writing

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<v Speaker 1>an article called ten ways nano Manufacturing will alter Industry.

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<v Speaker 1>So and I hadn't I had not really researcher written

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<v Speaker 1>much about nanotechnology. So it was kind of a deep

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<v Speaker 1>die for me where I had to sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of these topics that kind of have to

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<v Speaker 1>start from scratch and be like, all right, what the

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<v Speaker 1>heck is this? And then and what does it mean?

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<v Speaker 1>And then how like what does it really mean? Not

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<v Speaker 1>just what are the words on the page um in

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<v Speaker 1>this right up or or this one. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>nanotechnology can be a little confusing because we tend to

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<v Speaker 1>get this fantastic voyage idea in our mind, by which

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the the Asimov novel in the movie and

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<v Speaker 1>not the Coulio video, but the idea of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like a little miniature ship, like a little miniature submarine

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<v Speaker 1>has been shrunk down and it's doing things inside the

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<v Speaker 1>body or building things, um at this minuscule scale, like

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<v Speaker 1>the nano scale, just to everyone know exactly how small

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about? What what? What does technology or nanotechnology?

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<v Speaker 1>All right? Like the at the nano scale of things, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>where we have like we have like a single wall

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<v Speaker 1>old carbon nanitude um is scarcely one nanometer thick, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>So in relatable terms, you'd have to line up a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand of those side by side in order to

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<v Speaker 1>equal the one hundred micrometer diameter of a single strand

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<v Speaker 1>of hair. Yes, okay, so that's that's how tiny it is,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's still it's by by comparing it to the hair,

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<v Speaker 1>it definitely puts it within like the grasp of human understanding,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's still very very tiny. Um. So nano nano materials,

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<v Speaker 1>nano nano technology, it involves dealing with matter at that scale,

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<v Speaker 1>which and you wouldn't think this is uh, it turns

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<v Speaker 1>out that when you are dealing with such small particles,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a lot easier to manipulate them, right, you can,

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<v Speaker 1>you can, you can. You have a lot more control

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<v Speaker 1>over the over the various characteristics of materials of of

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<v Speaker 1>well basically materials. And then but if you're altering you're

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<v Speaker 1>altering the material els in things such as medications uh

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<v Speaker 1>at times, or something as gigantic as uh like a

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<v Speaker 1>meta material that you plan to build a space elevator

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<v Speaker 1>out of. It's the analogy that I ended up using

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<v Speaker 1>the article was was like building blocks. It seems like

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<v Speaker 1>you start off with kind of big building blocks as

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<v Speaker 1>a kid, and then as you get a little older,

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<v Speaker 1>you start dealing with smaller blocks and the models that

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<v Speaker 1>you can build. Like so you wanted to build an

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<v Speaker 1>airplane out of alphabet blocks, you're gonna build something that

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<v Speaker 1>vaguely resembles an airplane, you know, assuming you assuming you

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<v Speaker 1>built it at a reasonable scale, like it had to

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<v Speaker 1>fit on a table. You can only build so detailed

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<v Speaker 1>an airplane, and you might have to use a little

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<v Speaker 1>uh um creativity uh to to see that it is

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be an airplane. Legos are much smaller, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more detail, there's a lot more room to

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<v Speaker 1>to create detail in the model, and you could build

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty amazing airplane model. Uh. That's the size of

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<v Speaker 1>the table if you build it out of legos. The

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<v Speaker 1>smaller the building blocks the the the greater the power

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<v Speaker 1>over what you're building. And that's exactly how it ends

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<v Speaker 1>up with with nanotechnology. It's the idea that we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to build things at the scale that nature builds things. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And not only that, but particles behave differently at that scale. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's why quantum physicists are really interested in

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<v Speaker 1>this obviously. UM. From the article how nanotechnology works, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a good example that says, you know, we can't teleport

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves to the other side of the wall, but at

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<v Speaker 1>the nano scale, and the electron can. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>actually called electron tunneling. So you know, all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>you do see this really cool. Um, these these sort

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<v Speaker 1>of things happening, and we can apply them in a

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<v Speaker 1>really meaningful, you know, concrete way. Hence nano manufacturing. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>you get down to a small enough scale, solid things

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<v Speaker 1>aren't really solid anymore. You can manipulate, uh, materials and

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<v Speaker 1>buy materials. You can manipulate everything from steel to um

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<v Speaker 1>medication and make it behave a little more like you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to. And and again it's it's when when nature

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<v Speaker 1>builts something. When nature builds a coral reef, it builds

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<v Speaker 1>it from the uh. And I'm sorry to personify nature here,

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<v Speaker 1>but but when nature builds a coral reef, it builds

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<v Speaker 1>it from the bottom up, from the smallest particles up.

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<v Speaker 1>And and this is about building things from the bottom up.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why the I say, throw out the whole

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<v Speaker 1>sort of fantastic voyage image of it, or the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of tiny little robots that are essentially big robots shrunk down,

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<v Speaker 1>because that is a that's more of like um, top

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<v Speaker 1>down thinking. Uh and uh and and nanotechnology is generally

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<v Speaker 1>more about building things at the smallest scale. And it

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<v Speaker 1>has like huge implications for our healthcare. And we're not

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<v Speaker 1>talking this is not sci fi stuff. They mean this

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<v Speaker 1>is stuff that is in the works and around the corner. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>these these are real applications of nanotechnology that that definitely

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<v Speaker 1>make a difference. Not not just like oh, I bet

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<v Speaker 1>you can make a super strong sword or a tower

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<v Speaker 1>that's is tall that's taller than the atmosphere. The type

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<v Speaker 1>of thing UM and and also before we get into

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<v Speaker 1>some of the healthcare um things that we'll be talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to mention too that right now there

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<v Speaker 1>are more than eight hundred commercial products that usually talk

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<v Speaker 1>about in the article too, like this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>something that's being used on in a widespread way. And

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, Adidas uses nanotechnology for their cleats because nanocarbon

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<v Speaker 1>tubes are actually like a hundred times stronger than steel

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a lot lighter. Yeah, And when we use

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<v Speaker 1>the term nano manufacturing, the point is that I think

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<v Speaker 1>of it in terms of say a weapon, like a

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<v Speaker 1>like a gun, a musket. There's a time where to

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<v Speaker 1>create a musket you would have to have an artisan

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<v Speaker 1>basically that would make it and make it one by one.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, and there's only so much you can do

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<v Speaker 1>with that. It takes a lot more effort, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more cost, and a lot more time to say outfit

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<v Speaker 1>in army that way. But if you can, if you

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<v Speaker 1>can mass produce the weapon, then it's a lot easier

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<v Speaker 1>to get that technology out there and actually make a

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<v Speaker 1>difference with that technology, you know. And uh, And so

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<v Speaker 1>the idea with nano manufacturing is that nano fact manufacturing

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<v Speaker 1>involves getting the nanotechnology to the point to where we

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<v Speaker 1>can mass produce its effects and make a real impact

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<v Speaker 1>with the with the technology right, right, because as you

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<v Speaker 1>point out in the article, none of it really matters

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<v Speaker 1>unless it's you can produce it on a scale in

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<v Speaker 1>which everybody has access to it. But that's that seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be the way that it's going. Yeah, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>the iPhone, right, Like the the whole idea of the

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<v Speaker 1>The amazing thing about the iPhone was that not only

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<v Speaker 1>is the technology great, but they're able to mass produce it.

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<v Speaker 1>The point of the point that everyone could have one

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<v Speaker 1>if it took a lot of effort and only Steve

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<v Speaker 1>Jobs could have one, what's the point that doesn't make

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<v Speaker 1>any money, right, that doesn't change lives. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>they use nanotechnology too. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, nano

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturing is already uh, already out there, and it's just

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<v Speaker 1>going to increase as time goes on, and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to see nanotechnology trickling down to various aspects of our life,

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<v Speaker 1>especially healthcare. Yes, and let's talk about what that's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>look like, because I'm very excited by this. Something called

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<v Speaker 1>lab on a chip yes, Uh, do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>mention the uh the article with all the other day

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<v Speaker 1>Oh right, right, well, actually, yeah, before I talk about chlamydia,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, we always like to do a public

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<v Speaker 1>service announcements about chlamydia. Um, they actually did use this

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<v Speaker 1>in some of their tests for this lab on a chip.

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<v Speaker 1>But before I talk about that, I want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about how what what we're talking about here? What does

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<v Speaker 1>it look like? We're talking about transportable diagnostics via nano devices.

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<v Speaker 1>So a USB stick sized throwaway device called lab on

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<v Speaker 1>a chip. Right. Well, because if if anyone anyone out

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<v Speaker 1>there who's ever had like a blood sample taken, you

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<v Speaker 1>know the deal. They take the sample, but then they

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<v Speaker 1>have to send it off somewhere or take it into

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<v Speaker 1>the back room, and that involves, uh, it involves a

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<v Speaker 1>laboratory that is staffed, that is air conditioned. The expense

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<v Speaker 1>in the time really adds up. And that's assuming that

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<v Speaker 1>the facilities are there, uh where you can reach them.

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<v Speaker 1>If you travel out into the middle of nowhere, suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, the labs farther away, it becomes a

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<v Speaker 1>more a pain or even an impossibility to rely on

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<v Speaker 1>the modern lab technology that we have. Uh, certainly in

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<v Speaker 1>the developing world to it becomes a huge issue. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is so convenient. You basically take a

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<v Speaker 1>droplet of fluid and you put it in the chip

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<v Speaker 1>and micro pumps inside it send the fluid to internal

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<v Speaker 1>vessels containing re agents that extract target disease biomarker molecules,

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<v Speaker 1>and then that whole device can be sent to a

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<v Speaker 1>lab for analysis. But but here's here's UM actually a

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<v Speaker 1>little one up on this. There's a diagnostic app for

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<v Speaker 1>smartphones that's been developed UM in which you could essentially

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<v Speaker 1>do the same thing. You have a tiny droplet of

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<v Speaker 1>a sample and you press it against the phone's touch

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<v Speaker 1>screen for analysis, where the app would work out whether

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<v Speaker 1>you have food poisoning, strepp road or flu um. And

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<v Speaker 1>how does it work. I mean, the touch screens are

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<v Speaker 1>are highly sensitive, right, and so they can they can

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<v Speaker 1>store electric charges known as capacitance. Okay, and because the

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<v Speaker 1>screens are so sensitive, they can detect very small capacitance

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<v Speaker 1>changes and could could be these sort of platforms that

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<v Speaker 1>could actually identify disease markers. But okay, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>interesting part or or I mean, this is all interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>but here comes to the chlamydia. Right, okay, so watch

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<v Speaker 1>out here it comes. Young Yo Park and Beyng Yon

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<v Speaker 1>Juan at the Korea Advance Institute for Science and Technology

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<v Speaker 1>took three solutions containing differing concentrations of DNA from the

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<v Speaker 1>bacteria that causes chlamydia. Okay, they're originally going to going

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<v Speaker 1>to use crabs, but they were told they would get

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<v Speaker 1>laughs if they did that, they would get laughs. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's nice. Anyway, So they they apply these droplets from

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<v Speaker 1>each to an iPhone size multi touch display, and they

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<v Speaker 1>found that the output from the screens array of crisscrossed

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<v Speaker 1>touch sensing electrodes could distinguish between the capacitances caused by

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<v Speaker 1>each concentration using droplets of only ten micro leaders micro leaders,

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<v Speaker 1>which is one thousands of amlilate leader by the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Um so, but they're not able to differentiate between pathogens yet.

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<v Speaker 1>But differentiating between concentrations is really a first step. So

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<v Speaker 1>another problem is who wants their touch screen to be

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<v Speaker 1>bathed in the chlamidia? Really? Yeah? It especially changes the

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<v Speaker 1>whole You know, you're at the train station and some

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<v Speaker 1>some dudes down on his luck and was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>can I kind of borrow your phone for a second,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's weird enough if he's about to make a

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a personal call, but if he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>check for chlamydia with your cell phone, it's it's a

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<v Speaker 1>little weird, right right, And then you don't know, all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, you've got, you know, chlamydia placed up

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<v Speaker 1>against your skin. You got chlamydia cheek really, But the

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<v Speaker 1>technology could be applied in in a to a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of star trek Um spit scanning device that would have

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<v Speaker 1>have huge potential, And like I said, not only that

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<v Speaker 1>in developing world, but pretty much in the field in general.

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<v Speaker 1>Like anytime someone who is out in the field wanting

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<v Speaker 1>to test somebody or anybody, you could have it geared

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<v Speaker 1>to particular ailments or or or maybe a little more broad,

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<v Speaker 1>but you could you who diagnose people in real time

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<v Speaker 1>in the field. Yeah, exactly. And they are trying to

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<v Speaker 1>come up with some removable stickers to put over the

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<v Speaker 1>phones that you don't you're not you know, transmitting a

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<v Speaker 1>little bio samples of chlamydia for instance. Well there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they already has even the Steve Jobs didn't

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<v Speaker 1>like them, told when I tried to buy one once. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because they were Like Steve Jobs doesn't like those because

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<v Speaker 1>they imply that the screen is not solid and and

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<v Speaker 1>and can be easily scratched. And he's right. In my experience,

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<v Speaker 1>they're kind of a con you know, you end up

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<v Speaker 1>placing the stupid trastic thing over the over the screen,

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<v Speaker 1>and then all that does is just caused dust to

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<v Speaker 1>build up underneath there. I mean, I've never managed to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, knock on wood to scratch your mess up

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<v Speaker 1>my screens. Yeah, but I mean what we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>here is if if you are going to use yourself

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<v Speaker 1>have yeah or something akin to that. Um. But okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's that's one instance. We also have better, longer

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<v Speaker 1>lasting drugs, which you sort of inferred about the vitamins. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're There are a few different ways to look at

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff. One way is, of course, you you change

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<v Speaker 1>the way that the drug interacts with the human body.

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<v Speaker 1>Just consider, for instance, the botulism toxin in botox treatments.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, bochualism toxin is a toxin but bacteria that's

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<v Speaker 1>generally bad for the human body unless it is administered

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<v Speaker 1>in small doses. For generally, it's like for muscle ailments

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<v Speaker 1>or for just merely cosmetic retulism in and of itself

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<v Speaker 1>is not necessarily something you want to cross. So uh,

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<v Speaker 1>doctors have actually generally inject botox because into a target

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<v Speaker 1>tusue because it can't pass through skin, right okay. Researchers

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<v Speaker 1>at the University of Massachusetts Allow Nano Manufacturing Center, however,

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<v Speaker 1>are working on creating a topical botox cream. Their secret

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<v Speaker 1>is they attached the toxin to a nanoparticle that allows

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<v Speaker 1>it to hitch a ride through the skin. And so

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<v Speaker 1>you you basically have a nanoparticle, this manipulated particle at

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<v Speaker 1>the nanoscale that is capable of passing through the skin

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<v Speaker 1>as as a lot of materials, uh and in substances

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<v Speaker 1>are capable of doing. And it ends up changing the

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<v Speaker 1>way that the boschel m toxin reacts with the body.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, it is a right, So suddenly something

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<v Speaker 1>that could not transfer through the skin can be rubbed

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<v Speaker 1>on in a cream form. I wonder if Nicole kid

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<v Speaker 1>Kidvin knows about this. I hate to say that. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what creeps me out about this is that we

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<v Speaker 1>have the blood brain barrier, right right, Yeah, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>thing there. Our skin is generally that the whole. Some

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<v Speaker 1>things can pass through and some can't. Like it generally

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<v Speaker 1>works in our favor. Um, if you don't want just

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<v Speaker 1>anything to come in, it's like a it's a private

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<v Speaker 1>party inside and not everything is invited, right, And so

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<v Speaker 1>so all of a sudden you've got you know, botulism

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<v Speaker 1>or the toxin at least in this concentration being absorbed

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<v Speaker 1>by your skin getting into your bloodstream. Right. And so

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<v Speaker 1>the blood brain barrier is a membrane that protects the

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<v Speaker 1>brain from potentially harmful chemicals in the bloodstream, right, from

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<v Speaker 1>making sure that doesn't cross into your brain. So that

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<v Speaker 1>this is something that keeps coming up. What is the

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<v Speaker 1>ability of nanomaterials to cross that barrier? And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think that we have a good understanding of this yet. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>do you end up this is one of the fears

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<v Speaker 1>of nanotechnology in generally you end up creating these particles

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<v Speaker 1>that end up just passing right into our brain, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you know, do you wanna do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to bow talk to your brain? No? Probably not right,

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So that's that's a little bit creepy, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is you know, it's very interesting in terms of the delivery,

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<v Speaker 1>right and a lot of these drugs have really cool

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<v Speaker 1>delivery systems. Yeah, and also real quick like basic delivery

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<v Speaker 1>UM physics if you will include things like solutability, like

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<v Speaker 1>the ability of a drug to become a part of

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<v Speaker 1>your blood, to break down, to break down, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in the body. UM nanotechnology will allow us to you

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<v Speaker 1>create drug particles at the nanoscale, so the the absorption

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<v Speaker 1>rate increases and dosage levels decrease because you end up

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<v Speaker 1>having to to put in less of a of a

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<v Speaker 1>particular medication because the particles are so much smaller, it

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<v Speaker 1>ends up being more potent being well it uh, you

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<v Speaker 1>absorb it faster and more completely. So it's it's it

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<v Speaker 1>allows you to to make a smarter version of a

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<v Speaker 1>particular medication. Okay. And this is also where the length

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<v Speaker 1>of time comes into right, Like you could take something

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<v Speaker 1>and it could last for I don't know, two weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>two months, no matter, you know, depending on what it

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<v Speaker 1>is being administered, right. Yeah. Researchers at Northwestern University are

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<v Speaker 1>actually developing drug devices made from nanodiamonds which prevent medicine

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<v Speaker 1>from releasing too swiftly into the body. UM. So the

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<v Speaker 1>idea this is again coming back to what I mentioned earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that you could implant month's worth of medication

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<v Speaker 1>directly into the affected tissue area. Like, think of it

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<v Speaker 1>this way. You're going out of town for the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you do if you have a dog? Defeed?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you just open six cans of alpo and leave

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<v Speaker 1>them there on the table for the dog? No, you

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<v Speaker 1>have somebody come and open one can um you know,

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<v Speaker 1>of two cans a day for the dog. Because the

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<v Speaker 1>dog doesn't know any better, it will eat all the

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<v Speaker 1>cans of alpo and make itself sick. You need somebody

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<v Speaker 1>to administer it. So this is the idea instead of

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<v Speaker 1>instead of having to administer you know, all the the

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<v Speaker 1>alpo one bit of a time, it could self administer.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. It's interesting too because I was just thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about birth control and how this is going to affect

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<v Speaker 1>that because you have birth control pills, like I think,

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<v Speaker 1>like a season all or maybe that's a subcutaneous um

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<v Speaker 1>birth control that they implant. But in any case, they've

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<v Speaker 1>got different kinds of birth control pills that you have

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<v Speaker 1>to take only like you know, every four months or

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<v Speaker 1>some one and so forth, and um, I mean, essentially

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<v Speaker 1>you could do the same thing with birth control. You

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<v Speaker 1>could you could have it release over your period and

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<v Speaker 1>just take one pill, right and and the other really

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<v Speaker 1>exciting area is is of course, like I said, being

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<v Speaker 1>able to target the area of the body, like uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's the big thing about cells, right, the

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<v Speaker 1>particular cells, a particular particular organs. Even um. Chemotherapy tends

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<v Speaker 1>to be um such an ordeal because you're generally having

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<v Speaker 1>to treat the whole body to treat the area that

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<v Speaker 1>you want, you know, instead of going after the you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're treating the population to get to the criminal. So

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<v Speaker 1>if if we could, if we could, we could apply

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<v Speaker 1>it to just a particular area of the body through

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<v Speaker 1>through these these nano delivery devices, you could have a

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<v Speaker 1>situation where you could treat you could use the chemotherapy

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<v Speaker 1>therapy to target the specific cells and not end up

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<v Speaker 1>you know, making the individual rul sick, which is great

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<v Speaker 1>because then you're not wiping out a bunch of healthy

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<v Speaker 1>cells exactly. Yeah, And that is a chief complain about chemotherapy,

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<v Speaker 1>that um that comes up over and over again. And

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<v Speaker 1>then you have something called super pain killers. Oh yes,

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<v Speaker 1>this and this sounds crazy just because of these substances

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<v Speaker 1>involved in it. But University of Kentucky College of Medicine,

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<v Speaker 1>they came up with this concept of taking a morphine molecule,

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<v Speaker 1>which of course is the heavy pain killer UM and

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<v Speaker 1>uh the th HC molecule th HC being the intoxicating

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<v Speaker 1>part of marijuana, and joining them together with a single

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<v Speaker 1>nanoparticle and then once so once in they travel into

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<v Speaker 1>the body. But once in the body, the linking bit

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<v Speaker 1>breaks free and releases the morphine and the th HC

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<v Speaker 1>in equal targeted doses. See that's that's insane, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>you wonder, I mean, obviously that would be really helpful

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<v Speaker 1>for surgical procedures and you know, trying to heal from

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<v Speaker 1>certain things and trying to avoid pain in general. But wow,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't that make an interesting cocktail of a of a drug. Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And it also I can't help but think of like

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<v Speaker 1>drug companies in their various patents on substances, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because the idea is like you you take a you

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<v Speaker 1>take two patent medications, and when the patents running out,

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<v Speaker 1>you just sort of combine them together and then you

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<v Speaker 1>have a new patent. So if you could, I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>to what extent um nano manufacturing allow just minor tweaks

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<v Speaker 1>in medications to make sure they continue to keep the

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<v Speaker 1>pattern well. And also does this make us rethink legalization

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<v Speaker 1>of marijuana at least here in the United States? Probably not,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, again, this is this is a medical use, right,

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<v Speaker 1>this is which we have medically used. We are one

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<v Speaker 1>in some places. But still, I mean, now that you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna you're gonna use it in this context, it sort

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<v Speaker 1>of makes the whole uh cannabis are the against cannabis

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<v Speaker 1>so we uh we. In the past, we've vote, we've

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<v Speaker 1>discussed the idea of doing yourself organs or or more

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<v Speaker 1>specifically the idea that we can print organs, that we

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<v Speaker 1>can grow them um through the use of stem cells.

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<v Speaker 1>And we can, and we can. We've we've done this,

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<v Speaker 1>We've people are walking around with them, um and it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's amazing, um. But how does how does nanotechnology

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<v Speaker 1>affect this? Right? How can it play a role? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just think about what we've done so far. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean we were basically we've used patient's own stem cells.

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<v Speaker 1>And we know from a previous podcast that fat stem

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<v Speaker 1>cells are really easy for us because most of them

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<v Speaker 1>can adapt to a particular type of organ And we've

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<v Speaker 1>successfully grown human bladders and even hearts by coaxing stem

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<v Speaker 1>cells to grow over an organ shaped scaffold. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>like one of these is the ideas here as you

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<v Speaker 1>take a use a ghost heart, So you take at

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<v Speaker 1>an existing human heart, like a donor heart, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you you strip it down with chemicals to like just

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<v Speaker 1>the collagen, and then you set the stem cells on

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<v Speaker 1>there to grow over this scalp foldings. So it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like the idea of let's strip the building down

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<v Speaker 1>to just the beams and then build a new exactly

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<v Speaker 1>the way we need it. And the scaffolding is really important, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because you have to be able to achieve this shape.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where nanotechnology can You can't obviously, you can't just

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<v Speaker 1>grow a You don't just want to grow a bowl

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<v Speaker 1>of heart tissue. You need to grow that amount of

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<v Speaker 1>heart tissue in the shape, in the complex, specific shape

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<v Speaker 1>of a human heart. Right. So it turns out that

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<v Speaker 1>researchers at Rice University and MD Anderson Cancer Center in

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<v Speaker 1>Houston have developed an organ sculpting technique that uses metal

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<v Speaker 1>nano particles suspended in a magnetic field. Yeah, they were

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<v Speaker 1>Basically they woke up one day and they're like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of growing your own heart um with stem

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<v Speaker 1>cells is not quite mind blowing enough for us. I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder if we can somehow up the antie and a

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<v Speaker 1>loan of the whole. They do, because they their concept

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<v Speaker 1>here as you take these these magnetic hether they're metal

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<v Speaker 1>land on particles and they're in a magnetic field, and

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<v Speaker 1>by manipulating the magnetic field, you arrange these particles into

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<v Speaker 1>a like a floating scaffolding. I know this such dug

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<v Speaker 1>henning nanotechnology. I mean, seriously, get really excited by this

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<v Speaker 1>because I just think Yeah, it's like suspending jello. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like magic. The idea that not to mystify the technology,

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<v Speaker 1>but seriously, imagine walking into a room and they're floating

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of it is this pullful flesh that's

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<v Speaker 1>growing into the shape of a donor heart. And again

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<v Speaker 1>you've got the nanoparts particles suspended in a magnetic field.

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<v Speaker 1>You have these matching up with this three D model

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<v Speaker 1>of what it should be. Yeah, I mean you have

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<v Speaker 1>these these particles behaving in a very different way than

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<v Speaker 1>in this in the at the scale. So that's so cool. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also reconstructive surgery. Severe burn patients have little viable

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<v Speaker 1>skin leftograft onto um the rest of their body, and

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<v Speaker 1>so you can you can grow new skin using polymeric material,

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<v Speaker 1>but sometimes it takes too long and the patient it

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<v Speaker 1>can get really bad infections. And so when the newest

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<v Speaker 1>theories in the field of cell growing is at the

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<v Speaker 1>smallest ructure, the wider the possibility to manipulate the cells. Again. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>So they have a new laser based technology called e

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<v Speaker 1>u V Extreme Ultraviolet that you that creates uh, nanostructured

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<v Speaker 1>polymer surfaces which really allows you to rapidly grow these

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<v Speaker 1>new skin for someone and then there's also no scar.

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<v Speaker 1>Plastic surgery. Scientists in Japan have developed a biodegradable thin

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<v Speaker 1>film of only about twenty nanometers thick that could replace

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<v Speaker 1>surgical stitches, which is really amazing. If you look at

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<v Speaker 1>the pictures, uh, you can already see, like um, that

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<v Speaker 1>the organism is beginning to heal itself really rapidly, as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to sort of the big franken science stitches that

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<v Speaker 1>exist on it. So all of this makes me think

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<v Speaker 1>of another episode that we did a while back, that

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<v Speaker 1>being The nine Birthday Candles, which if you haven't heard

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<v Speaker 1>it or we're confused by the title, it deals with

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<v Speaker 1>the the science and the emerging science of living to

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<v Speaker 1>be nine years old, and that specifically what Aubrey de

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<v Speaker 1>Gray has to say about a lot of them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Abrey de Gray being the great bearded one, he does

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<v Speaker 1>look like a wonderful sort of gnome like man, gnome

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<v Speaker 1>like because of the beard, wizard like imagined him and

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<v Speaker 1>Alan Moore and Gandalf hanging out together. You can tell

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<v Speaker 1>my you can tell my crush is lessened because yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>now I'm calling him a gnome um. But no, it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be cute. So but he he is uh, he's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a rock star in the bio geriatric field,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of people at first were sort of like,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you talking about? This is impossible, But he

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<v Speaker 1>has made a very good argument that the human body

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<v Speaker 1>is much like a classic car and if you can

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<v Speaker 1>get in there and you can do this sort of

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<v Speaker 1>maintenance before huge diseases and take over, then you can

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<v Speaker 1>actually extend the life. And he is saying that right

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<v Speaker 1>now that there is someone who is going to live

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<v Speaker 1>to be at least five hundred years old because of

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<v Speaker 1>the new technology, like what we're talking about today, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's probably David Bowie, that's my guess. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure he's he's he's funding some of this and

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<v Speaker 1>he and Nicole Kidman. But I mean, we are talking

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<v Speaker 1>about self maintenance. And this is from UH an article

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<v Speaker 1>from HS Plus magazine. It's UH Nanotechnology and surgery surgeon's perspective.

0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:16.479
<v Speaker 1>The surgeon says this trend is already apparent in plastic surgery,

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<v Speaker 1>talking about all the sorts of nano technology that aims

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<v Speaker 1>at appearance enhancement. Expect this trend to appear in other

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<v Speaker 1>surgical specialties like orthopedics for enhanced athletes, transplantation of organs

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<v Speaker 1>from bioprinting or stem cells, new ordinary arteries delivered with

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<v Speaker 1>angioplastic balloons, enhancement drugs with DNA modifications, and many many others.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems that surgery will be the vector of our

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<v Speaker 1>first steps towards transcendence, gradually moving towards less and less

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<v Speaker 1>invasive procedures until surgery becomes almost obsolete. So that's what

0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:49.080
<v Speaker 1>that's what he's talking about. And he's basically, you know,

0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 1>this idea that Aubrey de Gray has that we can

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<v Speaker 1>continue to use technology to to uh fix ourselves and

0:27:56.720 --> 0:27:59.600
<v Speaker 1>we you know, surgery may become very obsolete. And you

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<v Speaker 1>know when this happens, are we are we still human? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know. I mean, if we

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<v Speaker 1>enhanced ourselves beyond uh you know, at least calling ourselves

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:12.800
<v Speaker 1>homo sapiens, or are we homo sapiens Homo sapien plus?

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:15.440
<v Speaker 1>I think maybe that's I like that, Yeah, like the

0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:17.480
<v Speaker 1>plus because you don't have to keep updating it with like,

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:20.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, one point two point. So there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>That's nano manufacturing at least as it relates to healthcare.

0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:28.280
<v Speaker 1>We uh, we may come back and explore the topic

0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:30.400
<v Speaker 1>a little more and look at the ways nano manufacturer

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:33.680
<v Speaker 1>is going to change other aspects like architecture. Architecture is

0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 1>pretty amazing. Um, but if you can't wait for that,

0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:38.120
<v Speaker 1>by all means, you can check out tin waves and

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:42.280
<v Speaker 1>manufacturing will alter industry. It's actually hosted on the Curiosity website,

0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 1>which how stuff works. Theres a lot of content for that.

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:47.800
<v Speaker 1>We all right, uh if you're amount of content for

0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:51.920
<v Speaker 1>that that property which is owned by Discovery Channel, yes, yeah,

0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:55.920
<v Speaker 1>and our employers, yes, our employers, And it's a part

0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 1>of that the awesome TV show, the Curiosity Project show.

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<v Speaker 1>So uh, let's call over the robot uh and see

0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:07.040
<v Speaker 1>if it has any mail for us. Come on, Arnie,

0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:10.920
<v Speaker 1>all right, So let's uh, let's grab some of this mail,

0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:13.680
<v Speaker 1>all right, Luke writes in. Luke says, hey, Robert, I've

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<v Speaker 1>heard you talk about doing several times on the podcast,

0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:17.720
<v Speaker 1>that being the novel by Frank Herbert, and so I

0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 1>finally read it, and he was to say it was amazing,

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<v Speaker 1>But now I want your opinion on the sequel. So

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<v Speaker 1>I find myself wanting to find out what happens next

0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:25.880
<v Speaker 1>to get more closure. But I'm also a slow reader

0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 1>and feel somewhat exhausted after done. I've seen your reviews

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 1>and I've sort of gathered what happens in doing Messiah?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it a good read? Regardless of that, should I

0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:35.040
<v Speaker 1>read it? Even though I know I kind of know

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<v Speaker 1>what will happen. Like you talked about in the podcast

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:40.760
<v Speaker 1>about too many choices decisions, tig, I'm looking for someone

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:42.920
<v Speaker 1>whose opinion I trust to make the decisions for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks and happy Thanksgiving. Yeah, yeah, no, that's interesting. I

0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:50.360
<v Speaker 1>remember in Decision the Decision Fatigue podcast, you said it's

0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:52.440
<v Speaker 1>great to have someone who can bet things for you.

0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:55.680
<v Speaker 1>So you're betting this for him? Yeah? If I will go,

0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:57.440
<v Speaker 1>just go and say, if you were looking for closure

0:29:57.440 --> 0:29:59.920
<v Speaker 1>and the things you read, proceeding with the Dunes here

0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 1>is is probably not your best bet, um, because and

0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 1>then a Frank Herbert dies before he can finish it. Uh,

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:09.440
<v Speaker 1>And in my opinion, the books become less and less

0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:13.320
<v Speaker 1>solid as even if they progress in his writing of them. Uh,

0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:15.920
<v Speaker 1>they become less about characters and more about ideas. And

0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:17.680
<v Speaker 1>then even the idea is kind of fall flat after

0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 1>a while again in my opinion, and then his son

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<v Speaker 1>ends up finishing the series, but their various voices back

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:26.280
<v Speaker 1>and forth about to what degree he was able to

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<v Speaker 1>um to accomplish his father's vision. So for the most part,

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<v Speaker 1>I advise people to um to stick with June unless

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<v Speaker 1>you really really can't help yourself, and then, uh, you know,

0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 1>don a side is pretty fun, but they gets less

0:30:40.200 --> 0:30:42.959
<v Speaker 1>fun as you go, So that would be my advice.

0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:46.080
<v Speaker 1>There are so many I suffer from this myself sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>with books, Like I found an author that I like, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and I will just keep reading them until I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>reading the things that they may do. We're good anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>because not everybody's like that, where everything that they wrote

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<v Speaker 1>is great, or every or every album that they came

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 1>up with this amazing, or or every film they ever

0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 1>directed or start in as a masterpiece. So um. But

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<v Speaker 1>but I often end up doing that, like I find

0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:11.040
<v Speaker 1>some an artist that I like, and I keep exploring

0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:13.560
<v Speaker 1>their work, uh, when I really should be finding new

0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 1>artists who discover Actually I think that that's a better

0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 1>appreciation of how they've evolved as an artist. Yeah, but

0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:22.920
<v Speaker 1>then there's there's something to be said, like what do

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<v Speaker 1>I at the end of at the end of the life.

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<v Speaker 1>What what do I want? Do I want to say

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<v Speaker 1>I have a really good appreciation for how um Frank

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<v Speaker 1>Herbert evolved or he evolved as a as a writer.

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<v Speaker 1>Or do I want to be able to say I

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<v Speaker 1>read some really good books that had some really amazing ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know. I don't know, but I see

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<v Speaker 1>I see some sort of college level of course coming

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<v Speaker 1>on a festa. Thanks where that's where you could apply it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me see if I have one more This is

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a little more science. Oh, I know, this one's fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go at this. Uh Nathan writes in it says, Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert and Julie, I love your podcast, and I only

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<v Speaker 1>have two things to say. Firstly, I read simply listen

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<v Speaker 1>to your podcast on doppelgangers and wondered if you have

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<v Speaker 1>heard of the Elvis impersonator theory. The theory is that

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<v Speaker 1>there are so many Elvis impersonators out there, but only

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<v Speaker 1>about fifty of them actually look like him. So there

0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:14.440
<v Speaker 1>are fifty people out there that look exactly like you

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<v Speaker 1>right now. I just thought that you might find it interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>My second splirt of information is that I think you

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<v Speaker 1>guys should definitely do a podcast on cinesesthasia. I have

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<v Speaker 1>graphine color synesthesia and would love to hear your opinion

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<v Speaker 1>on the matter. Very cool. Yeah, a couple of things. One,

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<v Speaker 1>now I imagine myself as an Elvis personator like fifty

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<v Speaker 1>of us, all with a Cape song to splurt love it. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh and three we have heard from a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people who talk about sinensaia and having different experiences

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<v Speaker 1>with it. So that's that's definitely one that we could

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<v Speaker 1>dive deeper into. Yeah, it's weird how sometimes the really

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<v Speaker 1>obvious ones like I feel like sinesasia has been on

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<v Speaker 1>when we first started doing stuff to blow your mind,

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<v Speaker 1>that's stuff to blow your mind, were Mando this enormous

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<v Speaker 1>list of possible topics, and and some of them were

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<v Speaker 1>no brainess like Seneslatia. We gotta do that. That's great

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<v Speaker 1>mind blowing topic. Um. And some of those those no

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<v Speaker 1>brainers are still on the list. Uh. And when we

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<v Speaker 1>ended up sort of going into into weirder areas here

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, our attention gets diverted. Yeah, we're easily distracted

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<v Speaker 1>by science. So there you have it. Um, if you

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