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Speaker 1: So wild day yesterday, part way through the day, they

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Speaker 1: accidentally uploaded what appeared to be charges against Trump to

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Speaker 1: a Georgia County website. Then they took them down and

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Speaker 1: we knew the grand jury was meeting. Witnesses were rushed in,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. Late last night, we finally got the charges

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Speaker 1: handed down and the DA there in Fulton County, Funny

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Speaker 1: Willis gave a press conference announcing some of the details.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: Today, based on information developed by that investigation, a Fulton

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Speaker 5: County grand jury returned a true bill of indictment, charging

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Speaker 5: nineteen individuals with violations of Georgia law arising from a

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Speaker 5: criminal conspiracy to overturn the results of the twenty twenty

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Speaker 5: presidential election in this state. The indictment includes forty one

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Speaker 5: felony counts and his ninety seven pages long. Please remember

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Speaker 5: that everyone charged in this bill of indictment is presumed innocent. Specifically,

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Speaker 5: the indictment brings felony charges against Donald John Trump. Every

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Speaker 5: individual charge in the indictment is charged with one count

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Speaker 5: of violating Georgia's Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act through

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Speaker 5: participation in a criminal enterprise in Fulton County, Georgia and

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Speaker 5: elsewhere to accomplish the illegal goal of allowing Donald J.

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Speaker 5: Trump to seize the presidential term of office beginning on

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Speaker 5: January twentieth, twenty one.

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Speaker 1: So let's take a look at the actual indictment. This

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Speaker 1: is just the first two cover pages, so you can

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Speaker 1: get a sense there, as Fannie willis indicated. Nineteen individuals

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Speaker 1: charged here. Some of them will be familiar names to you,

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Speaker 1: like the former president Donald Trump, like Rudy Giuliani, like

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Speaker 1: Mark Meadows, like some of the individuals who were also

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Speaker 1: named as co conspirators in Jack Smith's indictment, like Kenneth Cheeseborough.

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Speaker 4: Others are less well known.

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Speaker 1: There's an individual who was a stylist for R Kelly,

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Speaker 1: who apparently try to intimidate these women that were accused

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Speaker 1: of committing election fraud completely erroneously. But you see the

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Speaker 1: list of the charges here, and just so people understand

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Speaker 1: the fact that all these charges are listed doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: the RICO, the racketeering charge that Fannie willis indicated. Basically,

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Speaker 1: this is meant to roll up mobsters, and in Georgia

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Speaker 1: they have a very expansive RICO law. According to the

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Speaker 1: and they made it really broad to roll up, for example,

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Speaker 1: the allegation here is that all of these individuals, plus

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Speaker 1: thirty additional unindicted co conspirators that they say are known

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Speaker 1: to the grand jury, that all of them were part

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Speaker 1: all of the things that are listed there. He faces

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Speaker 1: thirteen different charges. Let me just take a moment to

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Speaker 1: So that's specific to trump their additional charges in here

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Speaker 1: And the other piece is, you know Jack Smith, when

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Speaker 3: Let me hammer that home.

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Speaker 2: Another issue that Trump will run into is that there

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Speaker 2: is similar process in the Rico law in Georgia that

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Speaker 2: I also want to underscore what you said. The law

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Speaker 3: The same end.

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Speaker 2: Even if you did not actually, like specifically talk to

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Speaker 2: The law as written and as yet to have faced

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Speaker 2: current grand jury. This is a real tough one for Trump.

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Speaker 2: You got a minimum five year sentence. If convicted, you

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Speaker 2: then also the minimum the minimum prison sentence, and then

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Speaker 2: the fact that there is no novel interpretation of law here.

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Speaker 2: I actually think the Jacksmith and Diatan is far weaker

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Speaker 2: So there are multiple different things here where the federal

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Speaker 3: Then you have the alternate GOP.

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Speaker 2: Electors who cast Electoral College votes for Trump December fourteenth,

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Speaker 3: The January sixth, twenty twenty one attack on the Capitol.

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Speaker 2: So you put those all together and they constitute the

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Speaker 2: I mean, it does look ridiculous. Whenever you were reading

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Speaker 2: This was an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy.

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Speaker 2: So look, on a political level, it's a real issue

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Speaker 3: Now he's facing two charges. Mark Meadows.

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Speaker 2: Ironically, Jenna Ellis, who is one of those campaign lawyers,

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Speaker 3: We're trying to overturn the election on Trump's behalf.

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Speaker 2: And you know, specifically whenever you were talking about entering

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Speaker 1: The computer charges too, which again Trump isn't doesn't have

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Speaker 4: Those are pretty cut and drive too.

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Speaker 2: You can't get you straight up like you've got access

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Speaker 4: Voting systems exactly that.

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Speaker 1: By the way, if Democrats had did that, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: what you were saying, Cyber. Yeah, if you go through

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Speaker 1: To give you the Trump side of things, his campaign

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Speaker 1: Very pleased to be joined now by Bradley Moss. He

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Speaker 8: he knew to be false claims about dead bodies pen

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Speaker 8: people voting, and all these missing ballots and the Ruby

438
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Speaker 8: Freeman nonsense that Rudy Giuliani is facing a several separate

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Speaker 8: defamation and lawsuit over.

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Speaker 7: He got Johnny's Been, he got Jeffrey Clark.

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Speaker 8: They're all tied up in this, and it's put in

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Speaker 8: the context of Rico because it was one overarching criminal conspiracy.

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Speaker 8: There were different people playing different roles, but under Rico,

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Speaker 8: they were all pushing towards one court, one core common goal,

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Speaker 8: which was to overturn the election, to reverse the results

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Speaker 8: what the American people, in their decision and their logic,

447
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Speaker 8: chose to do, which was to elect Joe Biden. And

448
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Speaker 8: Donald Trump could not accept that. He was willing to

449
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Speaker 8: look for anyone willing to push any garbage he could

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Speaker 8: to prevent that from happening. And now he and all

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Speaker 8: of them are going to be co defendants at least

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Speaker 8: for the moment in this proceeding.

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Speaker 2: So, Brad, I want to ask you something that we

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Speaker 2: got into a little bit last time, which is if

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Speaker 2: we want to we've gone and described the charges. Now

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Speaker 2: you've done a good job here, What possible avenues of

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Speaker 2: defense does Trump have here?

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Speaker 3: Because this seems difficult.

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Speaker 2: Last time we talked about free speech, but that's whenever

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Speaker 2: it's a federal context.

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Speaker 3: This is actual state election law.

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Speaker 2: So reading the indictment, what avenues defense does Trump himself

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Speaker 2: and even some of his alleged co conspirators. What do

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Speaker 2: they have against the charges that have been levied against them?

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Speaker 8: Some of the defenses will be similar to what we're

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Speaker 8: going to see Donald Trump bring at the federal level.

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Speaker 8: One of them is obviously going to be that free

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Speaker 8: speech angle we've talked about. He'll have both, you know,

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Speaker 8: a First Amendment right out of the US Constitution. He

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Speaker 8: will have his free speech rights under the Georgia State Constitution.

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Speaker 8: And there is the course, the intent element, whether or

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Speaker 8: not the DA Vannie Willis is able to prove the

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Speaker 8: various individuals intent that they knew these statements were false,

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Speaker 8: that Rudy Giuliani and Jenna Allis knew their factual allegations

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Speaker 8: that they were presenting to the state legislator, that they

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Speaker 8: we're preventing as are presenting to the Secretary of State

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Speaker 8: were in fact false.

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Speaker 7: That's going to be a factual burden she'll have to meet.

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Speaker 8: But if you readro the indictment, and we've seen some

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Speaker 8: of this from the January sixth committee, we've seen some

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Speaker 8: of this do Jack Smith's speaking indictment. We have extensive

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Speaker 8: documents the documentation already showing how much these individuals knew

483
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Speaker 8: these facts were false. They went hunting for anyone who

484
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Speaker 8: would tell them. Sure, you can make it but the

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Speaker 8: facts they knew were not accurate.

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Speaker 7: They knew they didn't have verification.

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Speaker 8: We have Rudy Giuliani saying we have lots of theories,

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Speaker 8: no evidence. We have John Eastman an emails saying the

489
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Speaker 8: complaint that Donald Trump spot to sign with these allegations.

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Speaker 8: Those allegations are false, and Donald Trump's been told they

491
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Speaker 8: are false. They put it down in writing, so we

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Speaker 8: know that they can meet that intent element. But that's

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Speaker 8: going to be an element of their defense. They're going

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Speaker 8: to try to poke holes in it. What I'm looking

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Speaker 8: for who starts making plea deals. We know some of

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Speaker 8: these people are on the peripheral side of it. You know,

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Speaker 8: think of Jenna Alis as the least exposure. For example,

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Speaker 8: Johnny ss Ben Jeff Clark had far more exposure on

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Speaker 8: the federal side. Look for them to start making plea

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Speaker 8: deals to try to get this off the table and

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Speaker 8: to cooperate to bring down the bigger fish, which is

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Speaker 8: Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell, and Donald Trump.

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Speaker 7: Got it.

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Speaker 1: So I have a bunch of potentially stupid questions, But

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Speaker 1: let me We've got you socially. Let me just ask you, so,

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Speaker 1: first of all, on the free speech part. Even when

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Speaker 1: it comes to Trump's call with Brad Raffensberger, can't they argue,

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Speaker 1: you know, this is just this is political speech, this

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Speaker 1: is free speech, and this is one of the pieces

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Speaker 1: that you know, that's a component of this indictment.

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Speaker 4: And the indictment goes through chapter and verse of you.

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Speaker 1: Know, Trump's tweets, which certainly seem like they would be

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Speaker 1: political speech, and emails that were sent, and phone calls

514
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Speaker 1: that were made, and think comments that were made of

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Speaker 1: press conferences, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: So where's the line between these are.

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Speaker 1: You know, things that the president is allowed to say

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Speaker 1: and things that are actually part of a criminal conspiracy.

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Speaker 7: Yes, so it's not a dumb question. It's a very

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Speaker 7: good question.

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Speaker 8: It's certainly going to be raised in pre trial motions,

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Speaker 8: both in Georgia and in the federal case. The distinction,

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Speaker 8: according to the Supreme Court in recent years, is that

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Speaker 8: free speech only goes so far until you are seeking

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Speaker 8: or commanding someone to themselves engaged in a criminal act.

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Speaker 8: That's what's being outlined here. For example, with the January

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Speaker 8: second call that he was trying to get Raffisberger to

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Speaker 8: do something Raffensberger could not do, and that Trump was

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Speaker 8: relying on information he knew to be false in order

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Speaker 8: to get Raffensberger to do it. Raffenisberger didn't have the

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Speaker 8: authority to decertify the election. He didn't have the authority

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Speaker 8: to throw out those votes or to just declare Trump

533
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Speaker 8: the winner. Same thing goes with his conversations with Jeff Clark.

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Speaker 8: He just wanted Jeff Clark to send this letter to

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Speaker 8: the Georgia officials saying the Just Department has concluded there

536
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Speaker 8: were irregularities, so go call a special session. They knew

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Speaker 8: they had just been told by the other White House

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Speaker 8: lawyers and by the DJ lawyers. None of that's true.

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Speaker 8: We found no such thing, but they were going to

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Speaker 8: try to ask the Georgia officials to do it.

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Speaker 7: Anyways. That's where the distinction comes.

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Speaker 8: You can use free speech to do a lot of

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Speaker 8: things in this country, but you can't use it as

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Speaker 8: a means to further a criminal conspiracy or to seek

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Speaker 8: other criminal acts to.

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Speaker 7: Be done for you.

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Speaker 2: One of the things I'm really hearing from you is

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Speaker 2: that they have to prove, basically beyond reasonable doubt that

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Speaker 2: he knew that these things were false when he was

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Speaker 2: doing them, and not just Trump, but almost all of

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Speaker 2: the co conspirators. Given you know, we've gone through some

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Speaker 2: of the evidence you laid out here about some of

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Speaker 2: the things that we're in writing, is do you think

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Speaker 2: that that is going to be enough?

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Speaker 7: Like?

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Speaker 2: Will they have to be able to prove what counter

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Speaker 2: case can Trump make to that? No, I didn't believe that,

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Speaker 2: or like that was alleged to me. But that, like

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Speaker 2: trying to prove somebody's state of mind, seems like a

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Speaker 2: very difficult task and able to be undermined by reasonable doubts. So, like,

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Speaker 2: to what burden do they have to rise to in

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Speaker 2: order to prove it?

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Speaker 7: Sure?

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Speaker 8: So, proving intent is always a difficult thing prosecutors have

565
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Speaker 8: to deal with every day because by and large, you

566
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Speaker 8: never truly know what's in someone's mind.

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Speaker 7: But let's be clear, you.

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Speaker 8: Can't use delusion as a defense. You can't say I'm

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Speaker 8: at deranged maniac. I always believe that you know the

570
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 8: water is blue, because that's what you know Elex Jones

571
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Speaker 8: put in it or someone you have to have some

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Speaker 8: basis for it, and they can provide to a journy.

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Speaker 8: The jury can infer based off various circumstantial evidence from witnesses,

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Speaker 8: from documentation, from emails, from texts, from any number of

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Speaker 8: witness testimony, what the person's actual state of mind was.

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Speaker 7: And that's going to be.

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Speaker 8: Very critical when it comes to Trump and Rudy and

578
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Speaker 8: Sidney Powell and people like that.

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Speaker 7: What they were told.

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Speaker 8: Donald Trump was told by everybody and their mother there

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Speaker 8: was no fraud. Everyone from the government told him it

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Speaker 8: didn't happen. Everyone from his campaign told him it didn't happen.

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Speaker 8: So in private, lawyers told him it didn't happen. So

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Speaker 8: he just kept seeking out someone who would say, I

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Speaker 8: can make an argument. They didn't have proof, but they could,

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Speaker 8: you know, throw out some crazy argument. Sidney Powell's lunatic affidavids,

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Speaker 8: which got her sanctioned by the way for using that garbage.

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Speaker 7: Those were what he was relying on. That's not going

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Speaker 7: to be enough.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, brat, How will this trial actually work?

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Speaker 1: This again falls in the category of, you know, potentially

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Speaker 1: stupid questions. Are they all part of the same trial?

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Speaker 1: Do they share a legal defense? Like, how do all

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Speaker 1: of these nineteen indicted individuals, how do they relate and

595
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Speaker 1: link up as this process moves forward?

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Speaker 7: Sure?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 8: Right now, because this was brought under the Georgia State rico.

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Speaker 8: They're all in one big case. There's going to be

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Speaker 8: one massive defense table with all the each defendant.

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Speaker 7: And their lawyers, and there's going to be the government

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Speaker 7: on the other side.

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Speaker 8: It's going to be like you think of when they

604
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Speaker 8: went after mob bosses and they're all there underlings. When

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Speaker 8: you see a gain trial, which Funni Wils has done

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Speaker 8: several of those, as well as when they went after

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Speaker 8: state educators in Georgia who were inflating scores and they

608
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Speaker 8: about eleven of them got indicted and convicted for that, it.

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Speaker 7: Would be one big trial.

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Speaker 8: Now individuals, individual defendants might try to sever themselves. I

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Speaker 8: would certainly look for that to be something. You'll also

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Speaker 8: have to wonder at what point, like I said before,

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Speaker 8: when would people start making clee deals.

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Speaker 7: When are some of the people on the.

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Speaker 8: Periphery who don't have endless resources and you know roups

616
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Speaker 8: who are willing to keep sending them money to fight

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Speaker 8: the man, When are they going to cut deals because

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Speaker 8: they can't afford the lawyers. And so that's going to

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Speaker 8: be what kind of shrinks down the pool. But in

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Speaker 8: the end, I wouldn't be surprised we get the trial,

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Speaker 8: it's Donald Trump and maybe seven or eight other people

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Speaker 8: with him at that defense table facing this prosecution.

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 8: Sure.

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Speaker 1: The other thing I'm trying to, you know, quick become

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Speaker 1: a RICO expert here, as I'm sure many other commentators are.

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Speaker 1: How walk me through how this works legally because I'm

628
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Speaker 1: still having a little bit of trouble wrapping my head

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Speaker 1: around it. So, each one of these nineteen individuals is

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Speaker 1: charged under the Rico statute, and then they all have

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Speaker 1: additional charges. Trump has, you know, thirteen charges total, and

632
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Speaker 1: they have different number depending on who they were and

633
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Speaker 1: what their involvement were.

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Speaker 4: So to prove if you just prove.

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Speaker 1: That they're part of the criminal conspiracy, they're part of

636
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Speaker 1: you know, the criminal organization and the criminal conspiracy, but

637
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Speaker 1: you don't prove those other specific charges. Do they still

638
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, are they still guilty?

639
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Speaker 8: Like?

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Speaker 4: How does that all work out?

641
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Speaker 1: Because I'm having trouble kind of wrapping my head around

642
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Speaker 1: exactly the mechanics of this.

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Speaker 8: Yes, So RICO is based a glorified conspiracy statue. It

644
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Speaker 8: requires that you obviously still be separately charged with at

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Speaker 8: least I believe two other crimes under state law in

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Speaker 8: terms of the Georgia State Rico statue. So if they

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Speaker 8: were to be found not guilty on the underlying offenses,

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Speaker 8: then their Georgia Rico charge would also fail. But the

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Speaker 8: reason to use Rico is when you have these different

650
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Speaker 8: components of a larger criminals can scheme all the larger

651
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Speaker 8: criminal scheme all going towards one common goal, and you

652
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Speaker 8: can bring it all into one giant case. That's why

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Speaker 8: it was originally created in the seventies and eighties, to

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Speaker 8: go after the mob, to bring down the families, bring

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Speaker 8: down the top bosses.

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Speaker 7: It's been used.

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Speaker 8: Against gang members, it's been used against any number of

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Speaker 8: what it can be considered criminal enterprises.

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Speaker 7: And that's why it's going to be used here.

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Speaker 8: And that's the biggest problem for Donald Trump is he's

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Speaker 8: caught up with all the people he co.

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Speaker 7: Opted to engage in this behavior and he's.

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Speaker 3: Stuck with them.

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Speaker 2: Well, we always appreciate your analysis, Brad, I always bring it.

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Speaker 2: So we appreciate you joining us this morning, and it's

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Speaker 2: been very helpful.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely anytime.

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Speaker 3: Thanks bad I'll see you guys later.

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