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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sandy and Samantha, and welcome to stuff.

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Speaker 1: I've never told you protection I heard you.

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Speaker 2: And for this month's book club, I guess just in general,

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Speaker 2: I kind of our theme as we're choosing things out,

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Speaker 2: we are running with childhood favorites. Yeah, I'm really excited.

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Speaker 2: So I picked for this month's book club. It's one

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Speaker 2: of my favorites. Actually, I've talked about it before and

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Speaker 2: I've referenced it many times. I've got a copy of

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Speaker 2: it here somewhere. It is the nineteen eighty seven Judy

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Speaker 2: Bloom book. Just as long as we're together. I love

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Speaker 2: this book and rereading it, or actually I was listening

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Speaker 2: to it threw back so many thoughts. I was like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, there's so many food memories in this.

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Speaker 2: By the way, also that jumped out. But any have

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Speaker 2: you read many Judy Bloom books? It's my first, this

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Speaker 2: is your it was my first.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: You never watched like Tales of the fourth Grade nothing?

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Speaker 2: Or was the fourth grade? Fifth grade? Nothing? Or are

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Speaker 2: you there, God, it's me Margaret, None of those.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: I guess I was a little bit out of your generation.

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Speaker 4: I would say, I'm not sure how I missed it

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Speaker 1: I've read like everything in the library.

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Speaker 4: So I'm not entirely sure how dismissed my purview, but

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Speaker 4: I think I was just I was thinking about this

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Speaker 4: when we were picking our childhood favorites, and I was like,

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Speaker 4: I was just so into like sci fi and fantasy,

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Speaker 2: What were you reading like in seventh grade?

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Speaker 1: I was reading like Ursula, le Gwynn, Tamorrow, Pierce, Nobody.

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Speaker 2: Who those people are.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're like big sci fi fantasy authors, and they

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Speaker 4: would have like long series of you like your four

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Speaker 2: So we did I like when I was not reading

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Speaker 2: things like this I've talked about because we almost chose

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Speaker 2: a Babysitters Club books. I love the Babysitters Club. I

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Speaker 2: love Nancy Drew, both the old and the new editions.

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Speaker 2: Also loved the Hardy Boys, but I also was really competitive.

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Speaker 2: We talked about our accelerated reader and there's a section

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Speaker 2: in this book and we'll talk about We're not gonna

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Speaker 2: talk about it, but just so you know that they

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Speaker 2: read Gone with the Wind, and I don't know. They

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Speaker 2: may have been the influence for me to read Gone

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Speaker 2: which is a huge amount for the Accelerated Reader, which,

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Speaker 2: by the way, a great book for middle schools to read.

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Speaker 2: It really hyped up a bad era, really Roman manticized enslavement,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, eh, that's actually kind of gross

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Speaker 1: But you know, you were in that ar you one

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Speaker 1: of those points I needed big books.

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Speaker 2: I got that. I read le miss I read it.

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Speaker 2: I read they read a toll Stoy. I did not

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Speaker 1: America tragedy, did you go Lord of the Rings books?

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Speaker 2: I did not read that. I was out of college.

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Speaker 4: They were There were some solid points about the missed

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Speaker 2: You know what, if you followed the movie, you kind

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Speaker 2: goes pretty cool. Well anyway, anyway, man childhood Memories of

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Speaker 2: Accelerated Reader. I got those points. I was first. Shalan

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Speaker 2: and being in this timeframe for this book, it was

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Speaker 1: There was a lot of food You're right in this.

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Speaker 2: It got me the turkey sandwich, the glove of peanut butter.

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Speaker 2: One thing Judy Bloom can do is make your imagination

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Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, I definitely brought me back to these kinds

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Speaker 2: And then the two changes. Yes, whispring and you wonder

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Speaker 2: This is Jessica, I'm talking to you. I don't feel

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Speaker 2: So obviously this is very like squished in because there's

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Speaker 2: Stephanie Sephanie Hirst, the protagonist for this specific stories. Stephanie

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Speaker 2: hated the seventh grade. Did you like seventh grade? No?

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Speaker 2: Yes, it really is. I feel like it's universal anyway,

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Speaker 2: Has nothing to do with Richard Gere as the person

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is nineteen eighty seven, y'all. Ill just so

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Speaker 2: you know. And she has hopes and dreams of our future.

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Speaker 2: But at this beginning, and her younger brother Bruce, who

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Speaker 4: We had a Jeremy too. I accidentally tripped him once

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Speaker 2: I've known him since the third grade, so I do

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00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 2: hold on to that friendship. That is nice. I know

438
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,400
Speaker 2: you and Katie as well as Marissa. Were you all

439
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 2: the way back into middle school.

440
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 4: Yes, I have a group of five friends that we've

441
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 4: been friends since middle school and some of us since

442
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 4: elementary school. No, we did lose a friend, did drift

443
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:57,400
Speaker 4: apart friend friend arguments, But you know, reading this, I

444
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 4: maybe one of them will disagree with me. But I

445
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 4: remember I always felt so empathetic for people new kids. Yeah,

446
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 4: that I always go up and introduce myself and I

447
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 4: was like, this is our table at lunch and you

448
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 4: can sit here. And a lot of times people would

449
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 4: move on that they would find their friend group after

450
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 4: a while.

451
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: But that's how I met a lot of them, where I.

452
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 4: Would just be like, hey, hang with me, you seem cool,

453
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 4: let's hang out. And that's kind of what happens in

454
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 4: here with Alison in Stephanie, where Stephanie's just like new

455
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 4: kid in the neighborhood. Let me go talk to her.

456
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 2: Hello, you seem interesting.

457
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 1: Your dog, dog dog. Okay, we're leaving that.

458
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I can't remember because we did grow

459
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 2: into a pretty big group, but there would be like

460
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 2: moments of like us against them, and I can't remember.

461
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 2: I feel like that happened for both sides, where I

462
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 2: would be on the OUs and they would be on

463
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 2: the ouse. It was weird. It was an odd click thing.

464
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 2: We would never bullies bullies each other. That was never

465
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,120
Speaker 2: a thing. I don't think. I don't remember that bang happening,

466
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 2: especially one of the girl groups. But but you had

467
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 2: like a big friend group and then you had.

468
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: A smaller you know, like the cluster.

469
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 2: Like and it was like, Okay, this is a big group.

470
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 2: But then you have your intimate friend group and it

471
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 2: was very obvious, and then you were nice to each

472
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 2: other all the other ways.

473
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, we definitely had Like.

474
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 4: I'll admit I had two of my friends got another

475
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 4: friend group and I was still a friend group, but

476
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 4: they had another friend whip. Yeah, and I was really

477
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 4: jealous of that friend group. I also wanted nothing to

478
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 4: do with that friend group, so there was like nothing

479
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 4: to do about it but be like annoyed.

480
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 2: Right. We definitely, like my closest friends. I would go

481
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 2: to drama and they went to do sports. It was

482
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 2: definitely interesting level of like differences, Oh friendships, like going

483
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: this is what we were talking about with growing up,

484
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 2: this is the next thing. But like things like periods

485
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 2: as we were already brought up, Like it was the

486
00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 2: way She's like, please don't announce this, please don't do

487
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 2: the good because she thought the teacher was gonna announce it.

488
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 2: But they made it a big deal about like Rachel

489
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 2: already starting her period and being womanly and having breasts.

490
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: Also the fact that the dude who had Harry Legs

491
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 2: obviously means he had sexual experience, which I have never

492
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: heard that as a thing. I don't think I've never

493
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 2: heard of that outside of this book. So I feel

494
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: like Judy Bloom was like this must be a thing.

495
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: I love you, Judy Bloom, but like like there was

496
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 2: that was that conversation about sexuality and such, which I

497
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 2: did think was funny, but like the whole like celebrating

498
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 2: her mom coming in crying, being like you're a woman

499
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 2: now again, that's never been a thing. My mother came

500
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 2: in with like this is what you're gonna need. Your's

501
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 2: a pad. Good luck. That was it, Like there was

502
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 2: not anything sabilatory. And also I immediately started hurting.

503
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's pretty much what my mom did. She was like,

504
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 4: drink some water, I'll get you some food. Just you're

505
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 4: not dying, right because I was like, what's happening, and

506
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 4: uh yeah, just rested in pain for a while.

507
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember my experience with a tampon was on

508
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: a trip in the seventh grade because I was like,

509
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 2: I can't wear a pad in the ocean. I cannot

510
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: wear a pad and we had swimsuits on. So that

511
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 2: was the most painful things and when it was so hurting,

512
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 2: so bad, which was at that time's best friend's mom

513
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: who was helped telling me about it or should telling

514
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: me how to use one. She was like, if it

515
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 2: hurts that bad, you're not doing this right, take it out.

516
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay, I finally did get used

517
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: to them. Well the fact I don't have to have

518
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 2: them now, but like it is, it was a whole thing.

519
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: It's a whole process, and we don't talk enough about them.

520
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: No.

521
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 4: I asked my mom my door to help me, like,

522
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 4: just tell me how to put in a tampon, and

523
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 4: she was like sure.

524
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: Never heard from her again.

525
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 2: Never to this day.

526
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: Don't talk about camping. We've never come back to that.

527
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: We've never acknowledged that that never happened.

528
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 2: I don't know what did tampons come through, because I

529
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 2: don't feel like it was popular during my mother's time

530
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 2: nor my sister's time. It was more popularized in my time.

531
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: That could be true, Uh, I don't know.

532
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 4: I know that there was a stereotype because I never

533
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 4: really got I would use tampons if I absolutely had to,

534
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 4: but otherwise I would use pads. And there was a

535
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 4: stereotype that that meant that you were like a prude.

536
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 4: I remember that.

537
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 2: Oh really, I remember saying people were scared because they

538
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: thought that you were no longer a virgin. That was

539
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 2: a stereotype.

540
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 4: I feel like I was getting the opposite where it

541
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 4: was like a bad thing, you're not a virgin.

542
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 2: And because I came from a very like church ball,

543
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 2: it was like, oh, it's a bad thing if.

544
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: You Yeah, well try the way. None of this is, I.

545
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: Hope, nobsolutely absurd in itself. Yeah, So apparently the popularity

546
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: really began in the sixties seventies, which is interesting because

547
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: I thought it wouldn't because my parents. I don't think

548
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 2: my family used that much. They have and I didn't

549
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: realize in the nineteen eighties is when they had the toxics,

550
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 2: the TSS, the toxic shock syndrome. The people were backing away,

551
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 2: So maybe that's what it was around that time. But interestingly,

552
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: again like and that was from go aunt flow dot com,

553
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: which I think is a tampon.

554
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: Probably company that would make sense.

555
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: But you know that is it is very interesting in

556
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 2: itself because like trying to figure out all that and

557
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: navigate that. But I was soon we know what I

558
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: was really mad in that scene about the fact that

559
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: she had to pay for a damn pad and because

560
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: she didn't have money on her she couldn't have to

561
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: get asked somebody to go pay for I'm like, what

562
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: the I will say, I did go to a nurse

563
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: because I did start at school. I have vivid memories

564
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: of that, and they gave me a pennyliners there, like

565
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 2: the nurse gave it to me for free, which like

566
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: she was at a dance so she couldn't they weren't access.

567
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 2: But I'm like, that really makes me angry for her.

568
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And luckily, like one of the teachers was like,

569
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 4: I got you.

570
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be here if you have any questions.

571
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 4: But it was that was such a different experience than

572
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,479
Speaker 4: mine because they also in their friend group had this

573
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 4: promise like when you get your period, we'll all tell

574
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 4: each other. And I had gotten my period first in

575
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 4: my friend group and we didn't have any such promise.

576
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 4: But I have to say, after people got their period,

577
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 4: they would call me and they would be like, what.

578
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 2: What do well. So funny is because I was at school,

579
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: they I knew I told them immediately got just thought

580
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: of my.

581
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: What do I do I was wearing white pants.

582
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: Oh, that's the fear. I remember having a pad in

583
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: my cool full leather jacket that was in style the

584
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: color you know what on the diet I had the

585
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: dark hunter of green one and I had a pad

586
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: in one and a boy that like me took my

587
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: coat and put his hand in that pocket.

588
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 4: Yep. Oh tragedies. These are the tragedies of school's face.

589
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: Oh Christopher. Going back to some of the things with

590
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: the growing up, the weird fat shaming, I was like, oh,

591
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: this is this is this is where I think it

592
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: has not dated. Well, there's so many things, but this

593
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: was one of the worst parts that I was like,

594
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 2: the way they are going after her. The mom's like

595
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: I'm taking you to a doctor, all these things that

596
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, obviously she had a lot of

597
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: like stress and emotions, and what she was doing was

598
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 2: making trying to make herself sick, Like she kind of

599
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: says the point that I just wanted to think it's

600
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: not bad. So that's a whole different conversation itself. But

601
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: the way they are handling this is so not cute

602
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: and it was so alarming that I'm like, wow, I

603
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: really thought this chapter was not a big deal growing up,

604
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: but reading it as an adult, like, h, No, diet

605
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: culture in the eighties were so bad, No wonder we

606
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: all had so many body shaming issues.

607
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like we run into this so often

608
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 4: in our kind of picks, our book clubs, our movie picks,

609
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 4: because it was such a big thing. It was just

610
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 4: I have plenty of examples I'm sure you do too

611
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 4: in my family where they'd be like, you should shop

612
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 4: the maternity ward or just like these things that they

613
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 4: just felt was totally normal to say to a child. Yeah,

614
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 4: it was probably already insecure and stressed about things, and

615
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 4: just like.

616
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: Her whole.

617
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 4: I felt a lot for her when she was shopping

618
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 4: for the dress and then when she was having issues

619
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 4: with like her panteose and like the bathings. Yeah, I

620
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 4: just related to that so much because I remember being

621
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 4: in like the dressing room and thinking it looked terrible.

622
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 2: The safety pin that might have been a few years ago,

623
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: come on now, yes, Yeah, at Dragon Con sometimes just

624
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: get that safety pin and hope for the best. I mean,

625
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: I was definitely one of those things where, like him,

626
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 2: the boy calling her el Chunko, I was like, yeah,

627
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: what point is that funny? And Allison, you drop the ball.

628
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: You should be defending your friend. How dare you say

629
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,959
Speaker 2: such a thing, because that is rude. Also, the jazzer size,

630
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: which apparently is still around.

631
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: I believe it that's still around.

632
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: I think there's a whole studio somewhere in Atlanta. I

633
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: think I passed it on to long Ago. It's a

634
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: jazzer size studio. And I was like wow, And I say,

635
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: this is a person who loves zumba, but I zooma

636
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: classes are a little different. But just saying I was like,

637
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I wonder what that's like.

638
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 4: Is it Stephanie didn't she she was going to do

639
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 4: a report on Jane Fonders, yes, which.

640
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: By the way, I was like, oh, this is also

641
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: I don't know what to think about this, because like

642
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 2: now we know Jane Fonda as an icon and she

643
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: should be noted as a revolutionary, Like she wasn't activist,

644
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 2: she was a protester. She is a protester. She's been

645
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: arrested for speaking up for the people like just exercise, which,

646
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: by the way, yes, she was the queen yeah of

647
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: aerobics at that point in time, and looked good doing

648
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,719
Speaker 2: and also did cause a lot of eating disorders as well,

649
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: because everybody thought she had they had like her or

650
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: like Suzanne Summers, which is a complete lie. But I

651
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: was like, oh, everybody saying that she's not significant enough.

652
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, what do you know? This woman is what

653
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: she has done and how her and her family really

654
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: were revolutionaries and icons to this day, and we'll go

655
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: in history as such.

656
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, but she was talking about her celebrity and her exercise.

657
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: I loved it. There's so many good And then I

658
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: was also with this because I got just to throw

659
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: it in here with the technology with the phone. Oh,

660
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 2: I know, you youngins don't understand. And we're talking about

661
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 2: how we would hide, and she talked about she wanted

662
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: a very long cord associate that she can stretch and

663
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: walk about. You don't know. This was before cordless.

664
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 3: I believe.

665
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: You did have cordless. You couldn't stray either A you

666
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: couldn't stray too far away or get too staticy or B.

667
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: Those were expensive.

668
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's so she Stephanie would go into a

669
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 4: pantry and stretch her legs out and have some privacy.

670
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 4: And when I was a kid, I didn't have something

671
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 4: like that, and it was really awkward because she'd be

672
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 4: in the living room based on where the cord could go.

673
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 4: You've got your parents there, you've got a guy.

674
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: That's called you. They're listening in on everything you can say, right,

675
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: So that was a very I was like, oh, yeah,

676
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: I forgot about that.

677
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 2: I went to my upstairs avocado and orange wallpapered avocado sinc.

678
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: Sat in the bathroom while put the phone on the

679
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 2: ironing as I sat on the toilet, telling my little

680
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 2: boyfriend Matt at the time that I loved him, and

681
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: hung up, like I knew what that meant. Not that

682
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: that was like the third grade. But to be fair,

683
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: I think I read this in the third grade. I

684
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: don't think I was actually in middle school when I

685
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: was reading this book specifically. But all that is is

686
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: like I remember that stretching that cord in getting under

687
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 2: the phone, my brother getting on the phone and telling

688
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 2: me to get off. Yeah, oh who you talking to

689
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: your boyfriend?

690
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: And that's not even to mention the awkwardness of going

691
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: through the person's parents when you would call him. And

692
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: I had a friend who went to bed. They had

693
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: like a strict like nine PM bedtime and I could

694
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: stay up till pm. So sometimes I would call at

695
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: nine and they'd be like, oh, they're asleep. Who's calling?

696
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: And it was just so awkward.

697
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: Yes, who's this? Yes speaking?

698
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: Yes? How did you go into the parents? Yeah?

699
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: Did you just answer hey, hello? Or did you say hey,

700
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: this is Samantha or this whatever?

701
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 4: I think I'm say, hey this is Annie. Okay, I

702
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 4: think so, but could have been anything.

703
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: Again, I think it's hilarious because we talked to this

704
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: e I've talked to Eve's about this, specifically about phone etiquette,

705
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: and she loves talking on the phone, and I despise it.

706
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, if you're talking to me on the phone,

707
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: and I feel like it might be a millennial thing.

708
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: Maybe we've been really traumatized by the whole trying to

709
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 2: get this, guessing who it is and not wanting to

710
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 2: do this. Yeah, but okay, bye.

711
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: I'll just hang up. This was not work. That's stressed.

712
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 2: I don't want to do this anymore. But I love talking.

713
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: I love talking on the phone. I feel like growing up, yeah,

714
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 2: like it was definitely something that we would do. I

715
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: remember three numbers and one of them was my good

716
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 2: friend Cassie, who she now would talk on the phone

717
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 2: to six eight eight. I still remember her number, her

718
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: parents number. I say this, but also she I think

719
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: was one of the ones that was spoiled. And I

720
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 2: say this in the loving manner because I was very

721
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 2: jealous of her because she got her own profit line.

722
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 4: Yeah that's nice, that's nice. Yeah, And I mean the

723
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 4: thing is like I had a best friend who was

724
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 4: my neighbor. I actually had two best friends who were

725
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 4: my neighbor, but one of us drifted apart. And at

726
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 4: the time, you didn't have cell phones, so no, wouldn't

727
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 4: pick up your your landline and hope that you could

728
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 4: get a hold of them or just walk over. But

729
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 4: it was yeah, that's a new new thing for a

730
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 4: lot of young listeners.

731
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: I take it.

732
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I didn't understand what like when we

733
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 2: were grounded from the phone, we were literally like not able.

734
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: Not that you could literally take the cell phone away. No, no, no,

735
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 2: like you were not allowed on the phone and if

736
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: you got in trouble, which our friends would. I never did,

737
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 2: but my friends would be parents be like, I'm sorry,

738
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 2: she's grounded on the phone right now. This is she

739
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: won't be able to talk to you for a week

740
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: like it. Yeah, I got those messages. Oh, the eighties, nineties,

741
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: you heard the nineties, shut up, don't talk. And of

742
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: course another big factor is family. For Stephanie, it was

743
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: kind of a whole new level of family. I think

744
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: it was an important conversation because this is when the

745
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 2: divorce rates started going up, separations, trial separation, which was

746
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: kind of a newer term at that point in time,

747
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: Saturday happening, and children having to learn about what divorce was.

748
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 2: So this again was fairly fairly new. It was huge.

749
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 2: I know in the eighties, even in the early nineties,

750
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: divorces were taboo for a lot of these neighborhoods. And

751
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: talking about it and seeing it and then having other

752
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: people talk about it, it seemed fairly normal the way

753
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 2: that Stephanie's like parents' friends or people her parents' age

754
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 2: seemed to be handling it. But it wasn't. And for

755
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: Stephanie to deal with that, not knowing how to understand

756
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: who was that fault. There's so many things that I

757
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 2: was like, Wow, she really tried to hit on a

758
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: subject that was really new.

759
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 4: Kind of yeah, and it touches on a lot of

760
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 4: things that you know as a kid, you don't you

761
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,479
Speaker 4: have these allegiances and the who's right, who's wrong? Who

762
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 4: is like she because she was still living with her mom,

763
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 4: so I felt like she still had a pretty clear

764
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 4: allegiance to her mom, even though she was angry her

765
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 4: mom for not telling her.

766
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: And it was a big deal.

767
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 4: I remember I had a friend whose parents got divorced

768
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 4: in high school and and she was so upset, and

769
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 4: you know, we had our friend group gather and try

770
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 4: to comfort her, but it was such like a big deal.

771
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 4: It was like what's going to happen now? And what

772
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 4: does this mean? And then talking about do they have

773
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 4: a girlfriend now or a boyfriend now?

774
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: Like what what does that mean?

775
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 2: Who's faults?

776
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 4: Why is this happening? I thought everything was fine and

777
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 4: they seemed like they were in love and all of

778
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 4: those things, And I remember how difficult it was to

779
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 4: navigate even as her friend.

780
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: I was like, really tough.

781
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: I don't know, like I'm trying to remember if I

782
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: had friends who had gone through divorces. I feel like

783
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 2: a lot of the times, I don't even think I

784
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: have friends that had divorced. I think it was much

785
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 2: later when that would go down like we were not

786
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 2: in middle school. I think this was the rise of

787
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 2: like the empty nest syndrome, because they would wait till

788
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: the kids left home before they would actually initiate divorce,

789
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 2: if I remember correctly, because I don't remember. I'm like

790
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: going through my head of like all the people that

791
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 2: all my little friends and if they ever I don't

792
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: think so, and who they would have been, or they

793
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 2: were already divorced, and they were always already kind of

794
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: like an outcast, like they were like, oh you know

795
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 2: what I mean, like it was already a thing. It's

796
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: such a weird thing to think about now that it

797
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: is kind of normalized, like yeah, happens. Yeah, well it's

798
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: still tragic and traumatic.

799
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And relating to that is sort of the

800
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of the US and our

801
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 4: friend group, well maybe like half did end up having

802
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 4: parents who got separated or who got divorced, or just

803
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 4: who didn't have really good relationships and we found out

804
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 4: about it later after we'd gone to college or something.

805
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 4: Hers was just it was kind of shocking in middle

806
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 4: school to be like, oh, whoa, I've stayed at your house.

807
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: I like know your parents, right, mind, blowing to me.

808
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then also the way like again the dad

809
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: having a girlfriend, so although I don't know how quicklyst was,

810
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 2: but this seems quick, and then introducing the kids without

811
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: even hello, and I was like, yeah, this this is gross,

812
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 2: especially because it's a trial separation. I'm like, that's not divorce.

813
00:41:59,080 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: That's weird.

814
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 4: And also clearly Stephanie at least was very unhappy unsettled.

815
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 4: I completely understand why, and he knew that right and

816
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 4: to like have someone there that she didn't know was

817
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 4: going to be there that he didn't introduce to her

818
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 4: and then left her alone with like a whole day.

819
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 4: I mean, admittedly Stephanie was like, I'm not going anywhere,

820
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 4: but still he was like, so you'll stay with her.

821
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 2: Right, And maybe that's just where we because I would

822
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 2: have been that child in that situation obviously in that timeframe.

823
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 2: So as as adults have become a little more aware

824
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: of that and we like very cautious about you don't

825
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 2: introduce anybody until you have this and this and this,

826
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: and make sure your child is priority in that level

827
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 2: of like I don't want people coming in and out

828
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 2: my life in her getting attached or not attached or

829
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: all these things are being cautious, caring about the co parenting,

830
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: like that's being a big deal. Like maybe we learn

831
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: from that, And maybe it was that generation really being like, yeah,

832
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: he's their kid. They don't get to say which we did?

833
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 2: We did? We grew up that way. Yeah.

834
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 4: Yeah. Maybe I kind of felt like he and I've

835
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 4: gotten this vibe from other people in my life, but

836
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 4: I kind of felt like he thought it would just

837
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 4: work out, like if you just left Stephanie and didn't

838
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 4: it was like with iris was the girl's the girlfriend's name,

839
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 4: that they would work it out and it would be fine.

840
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 4: So I kind of felt like he was sort of

841
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 4: skirting his he didn't want to have like a big fight,

842
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 4: and he was hoping that she, Stephanie, would come around. Yeah,

843
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 4: and it didn't. That she's very stubborn. I have to

844
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 4: say again, I understand why, but she is very like

845
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 4: I am mad, this is it.

846
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: I shall never talk to you again, none of you,

847
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 2: none of you. So also again that turkey sandwich that

848
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: she eats because she's so upset everybody, it was very

849
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: like I could see it, and I wanted a turkey sandwich.

850
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: Do I like turkey sandwich is not necessarily but I

851
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: wanted one. At that point, It's like, oh, okay, grandbarray'sall

852
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 2: or you're making a hell of a sandwich. Let me

853
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: have one of those. Let me have one of those.

854
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: That's good. And with the family, of course, I have

855
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: to bring in the whole adoption bit, because again it

856
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: was interesting because I feel like maybe I also had

857
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 2: this mind frame I did I did as a kid

858
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: about like I'm not interested in finding my biological parents

859
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: and they are my family and they're great, you know

860
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 2: all these things and that level like we're a perfect family.

861
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with us, and this is exactly what

862
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: it should be. And then not kind of really kind

863
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: of like away from like being that conversation like how

864
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 2: do you feel about this? Do you remember anything? Do

865
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: you miss your you know, like your biological farmer, or

866
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 2: do you want to find them? And her being and

867
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 2: flippant like no whatever, and then that kind of being

868
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 2: the end of the conversation about how you're so loved.

869
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 2: I've never seen anyone more love than you, and I'm like,

870
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 2: that's very glossy, uh outlook, And it kind of was. Again,

871
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: it was a pretty big trend in the eighties nineties

872
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: to adopt Asian kids or kids of other races. Internationally,

873
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 2: it became a kind of a fad and no hope

874
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: for all this intents and purposes. But with that like

875
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 2: not glamorizing it but also seeing it as like a

876
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 2: charity thing. Also, this was a famous like movie star

877
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 2: or actress who had done this, and so obviously they're

878
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 2: gonna be fine, and she's gonna be so spoiled all

879
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 2: these things. It was an interesting take because it definitely

880
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 2: was It did mirror what I felt like I should

881
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: have been, you know. But then at the same time,

882
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 2: I was also the youngest of four and the three

883
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 2: older ones were biological so I did not have that

884
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 2: interaction of like I was chosen because it couldn't have

885
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 2: kids type of conversation. But I did find that interesting

886
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: as well as the pregnancy bit, you know, her being like,

887
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 2: this is a miracle, baby. What are you gonna do.

888
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 2: You're gonna be in your fifties when this kid is

889
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: my age, all these things, and I'm like, oh, recently,

890
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 2: we just had more pores about the divate. More and

891
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 2: more people are having kids later and later in life,

892
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 2: and that's kind of getting to be the norm interesting take.

893
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I have to say.

894
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 4: The like last twenty pages of book packs and so

895
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 4: much I remember looking at like there's.

896
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: A lot to be resolved here and this much love,

897
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: so you.

898
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 4: Get this this panicked Allison showing up at Stephanie's house

899
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 4: and being like, I'm gonna go find my biological parents.

900
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: They're gonna have this kid.

901
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 4: It's going to be their biological kid, and they're not

902
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 4: going to love me anymore, and having those deep conversations

903
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 4: and going to your friends for it.

904
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: Uh, I really appreciated. But then gets really sick.

905
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 4: With the flu, and so I'm kind of like she says, oh,

906
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 4: it's gonna be fine, which I'm gonna be fine. But

907
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 4: it was a very quick resolution, I suppose. And then

908
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 4: the same thing kind of happened with Rachel and Stephanie's fight,

909
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 4: which I thought was very sweet because it mirrored where

910
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 4: they would walk each other back home over and over

911
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 4: jokingly that happened in the beginning, but it was also

912
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 4: kind of like, oh, it's over, and then the dad's

913
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,479
Speaker 4: moving back. This all happened very it does.

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00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: It happens they it squishes together, which I feel like

915
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: happens is a lot of stories. I will say once again,

916
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: this is a part of a best friends series. But

917
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: there's only two books, the ones I already mentioned just

918
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: as long as We're Together, and Here's to You Rachel Robinson,

919
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 2: which I guess. Oh, that was published in nineteen ninety three,

920
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 2: so it was good like six seven years after the

921
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: first book, so maybe they have a better resolution on

922
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: that one.

923
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: I don't think.

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00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 4: I'm not upset at the resolution. I'm just saying it like,

925
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 4: there's a lot that happens in the life. I asked,

926
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 4: like twenty pages.

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00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: It wraps up. You're not wrong, Yeah, but yeah, yeah, yeah,

928
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 2: I think it's funny because it is, uh, it is

929
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 2: those two. I'm not really sure what happens with Rachel Robinson.

930
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: Like I said, I never read that. If this was

931
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 2: published in nineteen ninety three, I don't know why I

932
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 2: didn't read it. It feels like I would have read it,

933
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 2: but I didn't. I was going on to win at

934
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: this point. Lamas Lama's actually was what became one of

935
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 2: my favorite books in the sixth seventh grade. So I'm

936
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 2: an oddball.

937
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: You needed those points.

938
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: I got to have them points. Y'all, don't understand. I

939
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: cannot believe I have read Tolstoy. Did it make sense

940
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 2: to me?

941
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 4: No?

942
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 2: And Akarnina scarred me, and I was like, why why

943
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: did I just read this?

944
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are plenty of books that I was like

945
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: taking the test and just like I don't know. I

946
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: read it, but I couldn't understand it. So I'm taking

947
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: my best guess.

948
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 2: I couldn't even pronounce Lama's. I was like lame miserable,

949
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 2: and they're like Lama's Well, I was like, yeah, that

950
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 2: Lema's whatever. I remember when I when I was trying

951
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: to talk about it, I would fight you anyway. But yes,

952
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: that is all. Like, there's so much more again, Like

953
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 2: I said, this is one of those books that really

954
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: left a huge impact. I forgot a lot about it

955
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: because it's been years since I've read it, But I

956
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 2: loved I loved loved the book. I felt for the

957
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 2: first time there was a little bit of representation for

958
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 2: me to cling to, even though she wasn't the protagonist,

959
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 2: she wasn't necessarily the main character, but she was a

960
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 2: friend a friend group that was normalized, that wasn't seen

961
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: as a caricature of anything. Maybe the gigly bit. I

962
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: feel like it was very stereotypical, but whatever. All that

963
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: to say, like it felt nice to have this as

964
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: well as like the friends coming through and understanding like

965
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 2: the growth of friendship were the loss of friendship and

966
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: it being what it is, and understanding you can have

967
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 2: more than one best friend. You could have more than

968
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 2: one best friend.

969
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 4: You can and I recommend it.

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00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, agreed, Annie, thank you for coming on this

971
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 2: memory lane.

972
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 3: For me, it was.

973
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 2: It was nostalgic, it was nice.

974
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 4: I enjoyed it. I'm loving that August tends to be

975
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 4: the month where we do something.

976
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: Kind of whier. Yeah, you do.

977
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 4: Childhood favorites, or we do kind of geeky brom coms

978
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 4: or something like that.

979
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying this trend. Should keep it up.

980
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: We got to keep it with it around your birthday

981
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 2: and then also with the five and Dragon cons coming,

982
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 2: we have no choice but to keep it a little

983
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 2: lighter too much.

984
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Speaker 1: That's true, because I have to take some days off. Listeners.

985
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 2: If you don't, yeah, obviously yes, and then you know

986
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Speaker 2: Labor Day you should yeah, of.

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Speaker 1: Course, of course.

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Speaker 4: Well, listeners, we would love to hear from you if

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Speaker 4: you have any thoughts on this. If you've never read

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Speaker 4: it and are from a younger generation, I would love

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00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 4: for you to go read it and.

992
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 2: Then report back and talk to us about it.

993
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 4: That would be amazing and any recommendations are always welcome.

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Speaker 4: Prius Maya and a conturbtor Joey.

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