WEBVTT - 2. Want to Come to a Party?

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<v Speaker 1>Last time on SNAFU.

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<v Speaker 2>Heavyweight boxers Joe Praise You'er and Mihamed Atli meet in

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<v Speaker 2>New York's Madison Square Garden Monday night.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a huge stack of mail, but this one

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<v Speaker 3>stood out because of the return address, which was Liberty

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<v Speaker 3>Publications Media, Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 4>As long as I am Director of the FBI, it

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<v Speaker 4>will continue to maintain its high and impartial standards of investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>Last month, Burglars had an FBI a resident office and

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<v Speaker 2>took files which subsequently have been made public.

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<v Speaker 3>The FBI entered my life very soon after that.

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<v Speaker 1>Reporter Betty Medsker now lived in San Francisco. Two decades

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<v Speaker 1>had passed since she first received an envelope from a

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<v Speaker 1>mysterious group called the Citizens Commission to Investigate the FBI.

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<v Speaker 1>That envelope contained fourteen top secret FBI files showing America's

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<v Speaker 1>beloved g men were surveilling American citizens with the goal

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<v Speaker 1>of quote enhancing paranoia. She still had no idea who

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<v Speaker 1>sent her those files that led to her bombshell reporting.

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<v Speaker 1>She had no idea about the incredible heist that pried

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<v Speaker 1>them out of the FBI's hands, and she might not

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<v Speaker 1>have ever known these things were it not for one

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<v Speaker 1>faithful evening in nineteen eighty nine, Betty was taking a

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<v Speaker 1>trip back to her old stomping grounds, Philadelphia.

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<v Speaker 3>There were a number of people professionally and personally who

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<v Speaker 3>were very important to me, and I hadn't seen them

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<v Speaker 3>in a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Like John and Bonnie Rains, a young couple she'd known

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<v Speaker 1>from her days reporting on religion for the Philadelphia Evening Bulletin.

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<v Speaker 3>And I called and said I was going to be

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<v Speaker 3>a town could we get together? And they immediately invited

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<v Speaker 3>me to come to their home for dinner that Friday night,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was very much looking forward to it.

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<v Speaker 1>When Betty first met them, Bonnie was a young mother,

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<v Speaker 1>juggling her grad school studies and education, her job running

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<v Speaker 1>a daycare, and her three children. Her husband, John was

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<v Speaker 1>a young Methodist minister who taught religion at Temple University.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a gifted speaker, and he knew it. Some

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<v Speaker 1>might say he talked a little too much. Betty would

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<v Speaker 1>soon learn how true that was.

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<v Speaker 3>We hadn't seen each other in a very long time.

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<v Speaker 3>We talked for quite a while and had a couple

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<v Speaker 3>classes of wine, catching each other up. On the last

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<v Speaker 3>decade of our lives. And at some point in the

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<v Speaker 3>middle of dinner, their youngest child came in. She had

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<v Speaker 3>a question for John. Then John said when he was

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<v Speaker 3>done answering her question, he said, Mary, this is Betty Metzker.

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<v Speaker 3>We want you to know Betty because many years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>when your dad and mother had information about the FBI

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<v Speaker 3>that we wanted to give to the public, we gave

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<v Speaker 3>it to Betty. And I was just absolutely stunned.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would think, oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 3>Mary was sort of lingering a little bit, but you

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<v Speaker 3>could just tell from the expression on her face that

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<v Speaker 3>this meant absolutely nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, and she's like, what are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 4>Dad?

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<v Speaker 3>And then when she left the room, I said, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>are you telling me that you were you broke into

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<v Speaker 3>the FBI. And they had these wonderful white smiles on

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<v Speaker 3>their faces and said, yes. It just it just it

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<v Speaker 3>popped out, popped out. I think it was a combination

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<v Speaker 3>of the fact that we were so happy to see

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<v Speaker 3>each other and we were telling each other tales at

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit of wine. Here we are sitting in

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<v Speaker 3>their beautiful suburban home, you know, four children, nice black

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<v Speaker 3>dog named Jezebel, and the station wagon, which they've always had.

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<v Speaker 3>But also I just simply know them. I had no

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<v Speaker 3>idea how radical they were that night. I'm just asking

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<v Speaker 3>one question after another and finding it all pretty unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm at Helms and this is Snapoo, a show about

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<v Speaker 1>history's greatest screw ups. This is season two Medburgh, the

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<v Speaker 1>story of a daring heist and the colossal FBI Snapoo.

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<v Speaker 1>It exposed today a young couple's decision to put everything

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<v Speaker 1>on the line.

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<v Speaker 3>Super testing one, two, three, four, five six.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Betty Metzger interviewing John and Bonnie Rains.

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<v Speaker 5>When the idea introduced you, well, let's see, I think

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<v Speaker 5>it was something like September or October.

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<v Speaker 1>In September or October of nineteen seventy, John and Bonnie

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<v Speaker 1>Rains got a phone call from a friend, a man

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<v Speaker 1>by the name of Bill Davidan. Bill was a Navy veteran,

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<v Speaker 1>a physicist, a father of two. He was a noun

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<v Speaker 1>assuming man, calm, thoughtful, and deeply practical. Oh and a

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated anti war activist, just like John and Bonnie.

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<v Speaker 6>I think he just initially, he just called John and

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<v Speaker 6>me from his home in Haverford and asked us if

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<v Speaker 6>we would we want to come to a party.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Bonnie. Again, there was no actual party for activists.

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<v Speaker 6>This was code for thinking about an action, and would

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<v Speaker 6>you want to come and talk about it?

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<v Speaker 1>A protest action? That is Bonnie and John accepted the invitation.

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<v Speaker 6>So we met with him at his home and we

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<v Speaker 6>walked outside in the field behind his home to talk

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<v Speaker 6>about it. And that's when he floated the idea to

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<v Speaker 6>John and me.

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<v Speaker 1>It was casual, you know, in the way that someone

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<v Speaker 1>today might propose starting a fantasy football league. Bill simply asked, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you guys think about burglarizing an FBI office?

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<v Speaker 6>And it took us back a bit crazy. That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're not wrong, Bonnie.

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<v Speaker 6>Is this crazy or is this something we ought to

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<v Speaker 6>really take seriously?

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<v Speaker 1>You had it right the first time. It's definitely crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI was the biggest baddest law enforcement agency in

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest baddest nation on earth. And who were John

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<v Speaker 1>and Bonnie Rains Uh, not professional burglars, not spies, just

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<v Speaker 1>a nice young couple with three children in a station wagon.

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<v Speaker 1>How the hell were they supposed to break into an

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<v Speaker 1>FBI office? And if the FBI caught them.

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<v Speaker 7>No, they'll lock you in a room, and.

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<v Speaker 2>So with a room.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Steven Soderberg. Anyway, unlike most sane people, the

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<v Speaker 1>Rainses would actually consider Bill Davidan's proposition because for months

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<v Speaker 1>they'd been suspicious that there was something very wrong with

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI, and this might be an opportunity to prove

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<v Speaker 1>it well.

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<v Speaker 3>Astar I was born in ran Rapids, Michigan, met waitressing

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<v Speaker 3>tables in the resort, and there in Michigan with family summer.

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<v Speaker 1>Cottage, long before they would consider breaking into an FBI office.

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<v Speaker 1>Bonnie and Clyde excuse me. Bonnie and John were just

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<v Speaker 1>two young people meeting by chance on a beautiful summer evening.

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<v Speaker 1>Bonnie was a waitress at the Homestead, a resort that

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<v Speaker 1>overlooked Lake Michigan. And John was a young Methodist minister, tall,

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<v Speaker 1>handsome and dining alone.

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<v Speaker 6>And he was at one of my tables, and he

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<v Speaker 6>was this absolutely gorgeous man in a blue sport coat

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<v Speaker 6>and these brilliant blue eyes. Part of our job description

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<v Speaker 6>was to kind of chat up the guests, so I

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<v Speaker 6>proceeded to start a chat with him, I guess. So

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<v Speaker 6>we found some things to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>They sure did, Bonnie asked John how his day was,

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<v Speaker 1>and John told Bonnie that he just arrived. Literally, this

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<v Speaker 1>was his first dinner since getting back from the Deep South,

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<v Speaker 1>where he'd been jailed for participating in the nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 1>one Freedom Rides.

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<v Speaker 8>It was the experience for the first time in my life,

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<v Speaker 8>the fact that things were not okay with this country, that.

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<v Speaker 9>There were very deep things that were not okay with

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<v Speaker 9>this country.

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<v Speaker 1>The Freedom Rides were a courageous civil rights protest action.

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<v Speaker 1>Black and white passengers alike boarded greyhound buses headed into

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<v Speaker 1>the Jim Crow South. It was a few months after

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<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court had ruled that interstate travel facilities be desegregated,

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<v Speaker 1>but before most of the South had accepted the new

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<v Speaker 1>reality of this ruling.

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<v Speaker 8>A mob had gathered as our bus came into a

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<v Speaker 8>little Rock, Arkansas, and.

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<v Speaker 6>There was confrontation of a mob that, as John said,

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<v Speaker 6>they wanted to kill me. They really would have killed

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<v Speaker 6>me if they gotten their hands on me.

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<v Speaker 1>The Freedom Riders, including John, were arrested for breaching the peace.

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<v Speaker 1>They were fined, found guilty, and told to get out

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<v Speaker 1>of the state.

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<v Speaker 9>But sure we did, going south deeper into the balance,

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<v Speaker 9>it was a very powerful experience for me, and it

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<v Speaker 9>exposed me to the power of the African American Southern

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<v Speaker 9>community of resistance.

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<v Speaker 8>It had great moral authority, It acted under conditions of

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<v Speaker 8>great danger. It exposed itself to that danger. I began

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<v Speaker 8>to see law and order as a system which controls

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<v Speaker 8>other folks, oftentimes the black majority who.

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<v Speaker 9>Could not vote.

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<v Speaker 8>Bonnie hears this story, which is fresh off the press,

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<v Speaker 8>and I think she was intrigued by. Oh, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 8>think what I had for me. Maybe my blue eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure they don't hurt John, they don't hurt.

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<v Speaker 6>I really admired him and thought this is a special

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<v Speaker 6>kind of man, and he he was very interested in me.

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<v Speaker 6>I guess he thought I was pretty and funny. I

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<v Speaker 6>had goals, I had ambition, I had spunk, and I

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<v Speaker 6>was willing to not just settle for the comfortable life

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<v Speaker 6>that I could have settled for.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted an adventure.

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<v Speaker 6>I wanted my life to be an adventure.

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<v Speaker 3>And he liked joke.

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<v Speaker 6>He said it took him eight glasses of iced tea

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<v Speaker 6>to work up to asking me out on a date.

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<v Speaker 1>Less than a year later, John and Bonnie were married.

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<v Speaker 1>Three kids quickly followed but they made a promise to

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<v Speaker 1>each other that they wouldn't allow family to stand in

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<v Speaker 1>the way of fighting injustice, and there was plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>injustice to fight.

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<v Speaker 10>I signed it up.

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<v Speaker 2>About eight poumes from a US started on a mighty

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<v Speaker 2>role from so Alabama, the workers there who are striking

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<v Speaker 2>for a decent way, for decent working conditions.

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<v Speaker 11>At the time when the operation of the machine becomes

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<v Speaker 11>so odious makes you so sick and marked that unless

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<v Speaker 11>you're framed the machine wing, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't come working at all.

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<v Speaker 6>There was so much at risk at that time in

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<v Speaker 6>our democracy that you were either an activist or you

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<v Speaker 6>went along with things.

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<v Speaker 3>That were wrong.

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<v Speaker 6>You had a choice you had to make, and we

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<v Speaker 6>made the choice to be activists. And if it meant

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<v Speaker 6>some risks that were involved, well that's what citizens sometimes

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<v Speaker 6>have to do.

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<v Speaker 1>John and Vonnie Rain spent the nineteen sixties protesting for

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<v Speaker 1>civil rights, for women's rights, for labor rights. By nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty nine, they were living in Philadelphia and becoming entrenched

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<v Speaker 1>in the fight against America's war in Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 7>Asafia, the NAZE official, the military chief of Kuang Nai Province,

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<v Speaker 7>today denied charges that American soldiers on the ground executed

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<v Speaker 7>several hundred villagers. The villagers version of the incident was

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<v Speaker 7>given by survivors yesterday. They said a patrol of one

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<v Speaker 7>hundred Americans stormed into the hamlet, drove all the residents

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<v Speaker 7>out of their huts, and then opened fire with automatic weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>On November twelfth, nineteen sixty nine, almost fifteen years after

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<v Speaker 1>American involvement in Vietnam began, report surface that US troops

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<v Speaker 1>had raided the Vietnamese village of Meli. The Americans had

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<v Speaker 1>burned huts, killed hundreds of civilians, including children, and committed

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<v Speaker 1>other atrocities. The army initially claimed that Meli was a

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<v Speaker 1>quote fierce firefight where one hundred and twenty eight enemy

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<v Speaker 1>troops and twenty civilians had been killed. But that was

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<v Speaker 1>a lie. It wasn't a battle, It was a slaughter.

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<v Speaker 8>I might killed about ten to fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Men, women and children, men, women, shure, babies and movies.

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<v Speaker 12>Why did you do it?

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<v Speaker 1>Why did I do it?

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<v Speaker 12>Because I feel like I was ordered to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Two days after these news reports, half a million Americans

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<v Speaker 1>marched in Washington. It was the largest anti war protest

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<v Speaker 1>in history.

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<v Speaker 6>Be about today.

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<v Speaker 3>People were hopeful at the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Betty Metzker. When she was a young reporter in Philly,

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<v Speaker 1>she sometimes covered the peace movement.

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<v Speaker 3>In order for protest to happen, there has to be

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<v Speaker 3>a deep feeling that there can be a result because

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<v Speaker 3>of what we're doing, and people really did feel that way.

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<v Speaker 11>We come out of the street, pour out with our

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<v Speaker 11>visions and our dreams and.

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<v Speaker 6>The beauty that is within us.

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<v Speaker 13>We will come as a new nation.

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<v Speaker 6>You want us to stay.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't love my country.

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<v Speaker 10>I entered on with a final better solution that joined and.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, but despite the massive protests, the administration just wasn't interested, like,

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<v Speaker 1>not even a bit. While half a million Americans marched

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<v Speaker 1>in protest right outside the White House, President Nixon sat

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<v Speaker 1>inside and watched a football game on TV. People like

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<v Speaker 1>John and Bonnie had seen firsthand how protests can affect change,

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<v Speaker 1>but as the war dragged on, even they had to

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledge a sobering truth. Marching and demonstrating didn't seem like

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<v Speaker 1>it was going to stop this war. Here's John.

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<v Speaker 5>It was a time in which we had a growing

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<v Speaker 5>feeling that the moral authority of the country was with

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<v Speaker 5>we the people, and was not in the administration in Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>Nixon later wrote in his memoirs that these protests quote

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<v Speaker 1>destroyed whatever small possibility may still have existed of ending

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<v Speaker 1>the war in nineteen sixty nine, which makes about as

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<v Speaker 1>much sense as smoking six packs a day and then

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<v Speaker 1>blaming your inphysema on the doctor who told you to quit.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoever's fault it was. And I happened to blame the

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<v Speaker 1>commander in chief of the United States Military, But that's

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<v Speaker 1>just me. The war did not end in nineteen sixty nine. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>as the year came to a close, Nixon drafted a

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<v Speaker 1>whole new generation of men into the military to kill

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<v Speaker 1>and be killed in Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody, literally everybody knew a young man who was going

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<v Speaker 3>to Vietnam. You thought about your boyfriend, you thought about

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<v Speaker 3>your husband or your brother.

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas time, nineteen sixty nine, every family that included a

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<v Speaker 1>draft eligible young man crowded around their television set.

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<v Speaker 4>Pursue into the executive order, the Director's Sellective Service is

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<v Speaker 4>going to establish tonight random selection sekuch for induction for nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven eight teenagers just barely men perched on the edge

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<v Speaker 1>of their living room sofas nervously bouncing their knees and

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<v Speaker 1>drumming their fingers. Their parents hovered as the lottery unfolded

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<v Speaker 1>on the TV. Representatives in stiff suits reached their arms

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<v Speaker 1>into a fish bowl of blue plastic capsules, and the

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<v Speaker 1>young men at home prayed their birthdays wouldn't be called

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<v Speaker 1>September fourteen.

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<v Speaker 13>September fourteen zero zero one, April twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>April twenty four is zero zero two.

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<v Speaker 13>December thirty, December thirty zero zero three.

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<v Speaker 6>In March, you rally, you write letters to members of Congress,

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<v Speaker 6>and none of it was making any difference whatsoever. In fact,

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<v Speaker 6>the war was worsening. Our voices were not being heard.

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<v Speaker 6>So there was a lot of anger and frustration, and

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<v Speaker 6>we decided to pursue a different kind of civil disobedience.

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<v Speaker 1>John and Bonnie's activism was about to get hardcore. Their

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<v Speaker 1>pursuit of civil disobedience brought them into contact with the

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic Peace Movement. To be clear, America's Catholic leadership were

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<v Speaker 1>not peacenicks. In fact, in nineteen sixty eight, the Archbishop

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<v Speaker 1>of New York counter protested at a peace rally, but

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<v Speaker 1>at the local level, many parish priests and their parishioners

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<v Speaker 1>felt the war contradicted their religious beliefs. They thought the

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<v Speaker 1>draft was wrong, and some of them were even willing

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<v Speaker 1>to violate earthly laws to fight it.

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<v Speaker 6>Strategy was to go into draft boards in the middle

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<v Speaker 6>of the night, to break into draft boards and remove

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<v Speaker 6>draft files and destroy them.

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<v Speaker 1>All American men aged eighteen to twenty five were required

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<v Speaker 1>to register with their local draft boards. These small offices

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<v Speaker 1>would store their draft files, which were necessary for actually

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<v Speaker 1>calling these men up to serve, but there were no

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<v Speaker 1>digital copies. Of course, everything ran on paper, which meant

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<v Speaker 1>that if someone broke into those draft boards and removed

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<v Speaker 1>or destroyed the files, the men in those files couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be called up. It wasn't only the Catholic Peace movement

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<v Speaker 1>planning these raids, but many prominent draft board raiders were

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<v Speaker 1>priests or people close to them.

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<v Speaker 6>We love to say that we learned our burglary skills

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<v Speaker 6>from nuns and priests.

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<v Speaker 1>The draft board raids were strategic targeting offices specifically located

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<v Speaker 1>in poor neighborhoods.

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<v Speaker 6>The men that they were drafting were all low income,

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<v Speaker 6>disadvantaged men who were just caught up in the draft

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<v Speaker 6>and sent over there to be slaughtered or to slaughter.

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<v Speaker 3>Rich people were more likely to be able to hire

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<v Speaker 3>attorneys that would be able to get them out of serving,

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<v Speaker 3>get doctors to find either valid or invalid reasons why

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<v Speaker 3>they shouldn't serve. There was learning how to fake mental illness.

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<v Speaker 1>So Bonnie John and a gaggle of nuns and priests

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<v Speaker 1>broke into federal draft board offices and made off with

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<v Speaker 1>draft files in the dead of night. Then they mailed

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<v Speaker 1>the files to the young men, along with a letter

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<v Speaker 1>explaining that they believed the war in Vietnam was unjust,

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<v Speaker 1>and now these men had a choice. They could report

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<v Speaker 1>to their Draft board office and offer to serve if

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<v Speaker 1>they wished, or they could keep their file and sleep

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<v Speaker 1>a little better at night knowing they would never be called.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, we were triumphant. I mean we felt pretty good

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<v Speaker 6>about it. So I think we felt at least that

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<v Speaker 6>was one very concrete thing that we could do, that

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<v Speaker 6>we could accomplish.

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<v Speaker 1>But they weren't naive. These raids weren't slowing the war.

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<v Speaker 1>Young men were still going to Vietnam at alarming rates,

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<v Speaker 1>many of them never to come home.

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<v Speaker 3>There was such a feeling of deep despair and less hopefulness.

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<v Speaker 3>People really came to feel like we're having no impact.

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<v Speaker 3>This war is not going to end. People were debating

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<v Speaker 3>whether or not violence is appropriate.

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<v Speaker 1>Some fringe groups formed, like the infamous Weather Underground. They

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<v Speaker 1>began building bombs and blowing up public buildings. They issued

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<v Speaker 1>warnings in advance and usually struck at night when offices

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<v Speaker 1>were empty, but they wouldn't avoid casualties. On one tragic occasion,

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<v Speaker 1>a Weather Underground bomb accidentally detonated inside a townhouse in

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<v Speaker 1>New York City in the West Village, killing two members

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<v Speaker 1>of the group. The peace movement was worried that all

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<v Speaker 1>this escalation would discredit the movement, and soon that escalation

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<v Speaker 1>would be brutally answered by the government. On May fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy, at Kent State University, more than two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>students gathered to protest the war. The scene was tense.

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<v Speaker 1>The National Guard fired tear gas into the crowd, then

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<v Speaker 1>protesters through rocks. Then the National Guard fired sixty seven

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<v Speaker 1>shots into the crowd. Nine unarmed students were injured and

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<v Speaker 1>four were killed. The war was coming home in a

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<v Speaker 1>horrifying way, which Neil Young eloquently captured in Ohio, a

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<v Speaker 1>song he wrote in the immediate aftermath of Kent State

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<v Speaker 1>as Summari. It was the first time American citizens were

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<v Speaker 1>killed while protesting the war in a gallup pole. Fifty

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<v Speaker 1>eight percent of Americans blamed the students for the shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>The peace movement was growing tired and exasperated, and on

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<v Speaker 1>top of all that, there was a growing paranoia amongst

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<v Speaker 1>activists in John and Bonnie's community, a lingering feeling that

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<v Speaker 1>a very powerful force was watching from the shadows.

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<v Speaker 6>We were very aware that the FBI was everywhere in Philadelphia. Surveillance, surveillance,

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<v Speaker 6>and intimidation were everywhere. Most of us were acutely aware

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<v Speaker 6>that that was happening.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Bonnie, it was easy to suss out the spies.

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<v Speaker 1>The peace movement had a certain fashion sense, long hair,

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<v Speaker 1>secondhand clothing, leather, fringe tied eye. But occasionally one would

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<v Speaker 1>spot somebody in the corner wearing all that stuff, with

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<v Speaker 1>a crew cut and wingtip shoes, also wielding a camera.

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<v Speaker 6>Pretty apparent that they were just everywhere everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>March is meetings, you know, peaceful, legal, constitutionally protected assemblies,

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<v Speaker 1>and worse.

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<v Speaker 6>I would take the children to school in a carpool

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<v Speaker 6>and there would be a car behind us with two

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<v Speaker 6>men in it, and one of my kids would say,

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<v Speaker 6>do you think that's the FBI. I mean, that's how

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<v Speaker 6>pervasive it was that even my children wondered whether we

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<v Speaker 6>were being followed and watched. It's intimidating. It's really it

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<v Speaker 6>is intimidating.

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<v Speaker 1>To be fair, if this surveillance focused only on the

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<v Speaker 1>people who were illegally breaking into draft boards, well that

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<v Speaker 1>would be one thing, but all sorts of protesters felt

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<v Speaker 1>they were being watched, surveiled simply for exercising their First

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<v Speaker 1>Amendment right to free speech. Here's John Rains.

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<v Speaker 5>There was a feeling that the FBI worked for the

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<v Speaker 5>other side, the feeling that the FBI was used as

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<v Speaker 5>not simply an instrument of investigation, but an instrument of

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<v Speaker 5>intimidation that was using its power to pursue what we

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<v Speaker 5>felt to be highly unjust policies in Southeast Asil.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a term for this when a government starts keeping

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<v Speaker 1>tabs on people not because they're breaking the law, but

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<v Speaker 1>because they're criticizing the government. It's called a police state.

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<v Speaker 1>John and Bonnie had the nagging feeling that America was

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<v Speaker 1>becoming one, but they had no way of knowing for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>that is until they got a call from Bill Davidon

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<v Speaker 1>inviting them to a party. By nineteen seventy, peace activists

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<v Speaker 1>in Philadelphia had the eerie feeling that they were being

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<v Speaker 1>watched by the FBI. But what could be done about it?

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<v Speaker 1>It was incredibly hard to prove this was actually happening,

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<v Speaker 1>so people resigned themselves to this new reality, but not everyone.

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<v Speaker 8>I was becoming increasingly involved in things like peace marches

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<v Speaker 8>and giving talks against government policy.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Bill Davidan.

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<v Speaker 8>Another whole part of the movement.

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<v Speaker 5>I've had to do with draft resistance and sort of

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<v Speaker 5>actions which many people consider illegal.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill has passed away, but here he is in an

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<v Speaker 1>interview from twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 10>I grew up in Newark, New Jersey. My childhood was

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<v Speaker 10>not somewhat unconventional one. I got interested in some aspects

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<v Speaker 10>of politics.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill's activism started early. When he was only eleven years old,

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<v Speaker 1>he heard the mayor of Jersey City had banned a

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<v Speaker 1>socialist from speaking there, so he boarded a bus all

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<v Speaker 1>by himself to protest, supporting a stranger's First Amendment rights.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was eleven, I spent weekends trading baseball cards

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<v Speaker 1>and picking up fart jokes. But Bill Daviadon was already

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<v Speaker 1>going miles out of his way to stand up for

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<v Speaker 1>free speech in the face of government repression. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess he could have also traded a few baseball

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<v Speaker 1>cards while he was there, But the point is when

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<v Speaker 1>he saw injustice, Bill took a stand.

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<v Speaker 10>I was concerned about political matters, but my energies were

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<v Speaker 10>more directed towards the threat of nuclear weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill was studying to become a theoretical physicist. When the

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<v Speaker 1>United States dropped the first atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki,

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<v Speaker 1>he was devastated that the science he loved was being

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<v Speaker 1>corrupted for mass human casualty. Decades later, he was afraid

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<v Speaker 1>that his country would use nuclear weapons in Vietnam. He

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<v Speaker 1>began protesting in Philadelphia, and it wasn't long before he

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<v Speaker 1>was rubbing shoulders with the Catholic peace movement. Bill was

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<v Speaker 1>a scientist and as such, a methodical and practical problem solver.

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<v Speaker 1>He often preferred simple solutions. Breaking into draft boards was dangerous,

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<v Speaker 1>but that didn't necessarily mean it always had to be complicated.

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<v Speaker 10>There are a number of different ways to open the

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<v Speaker 10>doors to draft boards. One of the simplest is that

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<v Speaker 10>in a couplifications we just put up a little sign

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<v Speaker 10>that said, please don't lock the door, and generally people

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<v Speaker 10>didn't lock the door.

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<v Speaker 14>He was a brilliant person. I think he had a

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<v Speaker 14>lot of motivation and determination and drive.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Sarah davidan Bill's daughter.

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<v Speaker 14>So we lived in a little town called Haverford, and

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<v Speaker 14>there was a TV appliant store in Brinmar, which was

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<v Speaker 14>the next town over, maybe like a three or four

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<v Speaker 14>mile walk, And so he bought a TV and thought

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<v Speaker 14>that he could just walk back to his apartment with

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<v Speaker 14>this TV. And he's carrying this huge box down Lancaster Avenue,

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<v Speaker 14>and you know, that was pre cell phone, so he

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<v Speaker 14>couldn't like, you know, call an uber and say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 14>I was wrong. So he did the whole walk with

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<v Speaker 14>this TV, stopping like every half a block. And by

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<v Speaker 14>the time he got there, I mean, he was just

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<v Speaker 14>like pouring sweat and he was like, you know, wiping

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<v Speaker 14>the sweat off of his face. But he got that

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<v Speaker 14>TV back to his apartment and he said, oh, it

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<v Speaker 14>ended up being a little bit heavier than I thought

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<v Speaker 14>it was, and I don't know why. That story in

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<v Speaker 14>particular is sort of like, you know, reminds me of

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<v Speaker 14>who my dad is. But I think it was just

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<v Speaker 14>sort of like this needs to be done, I'm going

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<v Speaker 14>to do it, like he just wanted to get things done,

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<v Speaker 14>like he wanted to get shit done. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill was a doer and the kind of person his

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<v Speaker 1>community trusted, the kind of person you might come to

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<v Speaker 1>if you thought big Brother was spying on you.

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<v Speaker 10>A lot of people felt they're being watched. Perfectly legitimate

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<v Speaker 10>organizations suspected FBI surveillance getting people to look over their

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<v Speaker 10>shoulder and to constantly worry about whether they're being watched

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<v Speaker 10>or not, and should create an atmosphere of fear.

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<v Speaker 1>If it was true that the FBI was surveilling peace

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<v Speaker 1>activists simply because of their protest activity, that would be

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<v Speaker 1>a violation of the First Amendment rights of the very

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<v Speaker 1>citizens the FBI was sworn to protect. But Bill also

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<v Speaker 1>worried that all of this surveillance might have another effect.

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<v Speaker 3>He felt that if act had this feeling that there

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<v Speaker 3>was FBI agent in their midst, it would build cynicism

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<v Speaker 3>and probably would lead to activists dropping out and to

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<v Speaker 3>other people just not coming into activism. For Bill, dissent

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<v Speaker 3>was at the heart of democracy. If the FBI was

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<v Speaker 3>spying on people, he regarded it as a crime, and

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<v Speaker 3>a crime that needed to be solved.

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<v Speaker 1>But Bill knew it would be no use accusing the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI of such a crime unless he had cold, hard proof.

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<v Speaker 10>As frustrating party, because it's hard to get people to

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<v Speaker 10>be actively concerned with threats that are not visible.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill was a walking set of contradictions. Born to Jewish parents,

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<v Speaker 1>he was an atheist, yet actively involved in the Catholic

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<v Speaker 1>peace movement. Bill was quiet but still a natural leader,

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<v Speaker 1>had a rare gift for comprehending the mysteries of the

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<v Speaker 1>physical universe, and yet also purchased a big ass TV

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<v Speaker 1>with no plan for how to get it home. By

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<v Speaker 1>the early nineteen seventies, Bill and other activists started hearing

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<v Speaker 1>strange noises when they picked up their phones. Guys in

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<v Speaker 1>unconvincing hippie garb were showing up at protests and taking photos.

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<v Speaker 1>People who protested the war were being followed and intimidated.

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<v Speaker 1>So Bill looked at this evidence and formed a hypothesis

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<v Speaker 1>some organization, a federal law enforcement agency, to be precise

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<v Speaker 1>must be surveilling the anti war movement. Like any good scientists,

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<v Speaker 1>Bill knew the next step test the hypothesis.

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<v Speaker 3>And so he finds himself thinking about, would you dare

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<v Speaker 3>break into an FBI office?

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<v Speaker 14>How complicated would it be to go into the office.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, you know, I've no.

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<v Speaker 8>Records on what kinds of disruption.

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<v Speaker 1>If Bill was right about the FBI surveiling the peace movement,

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<v Speaker 1>then that meant they were probably keeping files documenting that surveillance.

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<v Speaker 1>Find the files and he'd have proof that the government

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<v Speaker 1>was suppressing free speech. He didn't know anything for certain,

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<v Speaker 1>but even the possibility that this was going on was

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<v Speaker 1>intolerable to Bill Davidan. So Bill decided to throw a party.

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<v Speaker 1>He invited John and Bonnie Rains.

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<v Speaker 3>We stayed up late a lot talking about it.

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<v Speaker 6>Of course, we had more at risk because we had

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<v Speaker 6>three children under the age of ten.

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<v Speaker 1>John and Bonnie had already decided that if they said yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they'd take this action together, which made the decision that

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<v Speaker 1>much more serious. This wasn't like breaking into a draft board.

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<v Speaker 1>People who'd been caught for that usually served a year

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<v Speaker 1>two at most, But breaking into an FBI office and

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<v Speaker 1>stealing confidential documents. That was the kind of crime that

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<v Speaker 1>came with decades of prison time. Their kids would lose

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<v Speaker 1>their mom and their dad.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, you really can't use the fact that you're

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<v Speaker 6>a parent as an excuse to step back and not

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<v Speaker 6>be engaged. It just seemed that that was the one

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<v Speaker 6>and only way to reveal the truth. I mean, basically,

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<v Speaker 6>what it came down to were threats to our democracy.

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<v Speaker 6>I was raised with those kinds of values and the

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<v Speaker 6>idea that you have an individual responsibility to protect our

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<v Speaker 6>fragile democracy and to tell the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just really angry.

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<v Speaker 6>Really, and I was feeling so helpless and frustrated, and

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<v Speaker 6>I thought, here's something that might just make a great,

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<v Speaker 6>big difference, and maybe we can make it happen.

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<v Speaker 1>They called Bill, they said we're in. But they had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea what they were about to unleash, no way

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<v Speaker 1>of knowing that their action would fundamentally change the way

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<v Speaker 1>Americans thought about their country, their government, and the people

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<v Speaker 1>who were supposed to be keeping them safe. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>one more thing I should mention at this very moment

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<v Speaker 1>that Bonnie and John called Bill and agreed to be

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<v Speaker 1>part of his plot to burgle an FBI office. The

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<v Speaker 1>FBI was tapping Bill Davidan's phone. Next time on SNAFU,

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<v Speaker 1>david plans his attack on Goliath.

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<v Speaker 7>There is nothing mysterious about the meta which the Federal

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<v Speaker 7>Bureau of Investigation works.

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<v Speaker 12>He called me and asked me if I was interested

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<v Speaker 12>in going to a party, which was you know code,

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<v Speaker 12>I said, sign me on.

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<v Speaker 6>There were no alarms over the doors. I couldn't see

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<v Speaker 6>any security measures whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 12>It's really not hard and you can get through almost

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<v Speaker 12>any door in twenty seconds if you are any good.

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<v Speaker 6>I just felt like I was living in the heart

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<v Speaker 6>of the dragon and it was just my job to

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<v Speaker 6>stop the fire, and this seemed like a way to

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<v Speaker 6>do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Snapfoo is a production of iHeartRadio, Film, Nation Entertainment, and

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<v Speaker 1>Pacific Electric Picture Company in association with Gilded Audio. This

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<v Speaker 1>season of Snapfoo is based on the book The Burglary

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<v Speaker 1>The Discovery of j Edgar Hoover's Secret FBI, written by

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<v Speaker 1>Betty Metzger. It's executive produced by me Ed Helms, Milan Papelka,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Walbo, Whitney Donaldson, Andy Chugg, Dylan Fagan, and Betty Metzger.

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<v Speaker 1>Our lead producers are Sarah Joyner and Alyssa Martino. Producer

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<v Speaker 1>is Stephen Wood. This episode was written by Albert Chen,

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<v Speaker 1>editing from Alissa Martino and Ed Helms. Tory Smith is

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<v Speaker 1>our associate producer. Nevin Calla Poly is our production assistant.

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<v Speaker 1>Fact checking by Charles Richter. Our creative executive is Brett Harris.

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<v Speaker 1>Sensitivity consult from Olowa Kemi, Ala de Sui, editing, sound

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<v Speaker 1>design and original music by Ben Chubg, Engineering and technical

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<v Speaker 1>direction by Nick Dooley. Additional editing from Kelsey Albright, Olivia

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<v Speaker 1>Canny and Jimma Castelli Foley. Theme music by Dan Rosatto.

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<v Speaker 1>Special thanks to Alison Cohen, Daniel well shand Ben Rizak.

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<v Speaker 1>Additional thanks to director Johanna Hamilton for letting us use

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<v Speaker 1>some of the original interviews from her incredible documentary nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy one. Finally, our deepest gratitude to the courageous Citizens

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<v Speaker 1>Commission to Investigate the FBI, Bill Davidon, Ralph Daniel, Judy

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<v Speaker 1>Fine Gold, Keith Forsyth, Bonnie Rains, John n Rains, Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>Schumer and Bob Williamson.

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