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Speaker 1: It's a simple laugh down on the Chinese baby farm.

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Speaker 1: It's one more thing, time to slap the babies. Paul,

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Speaker 1: what the hell, Oh my god, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: This is crazy. I remember I brought this story to

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Speaker 1: the show a few months ago, These Chinese baby farms

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Speaker 1: in La.

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Speaker 2: Babies and farms and rows and waterings.

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Speaker 1: It's more a metaphor than that. But so it starts

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Speaker 1: with this. This judge in family Court, Amy Pellman, she's

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Speaker 1: just reviewing routine surrogacy petitions, because when you have a

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Speaker 1: baby via surrogacy, there are forms you fill out that

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Speaker 1: you know, you become the guardian of the child, the

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Speaker 1: parent of the child legally, and the surrogate mother, the

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Speaker 1: birthing lady, gives up the essentially the rights to the

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Speaker 1: child and all. But it's a very very routine thing

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Speaker 1: in courts. But clerks working for this judge noticed the

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Speaker 1: same name again and again and again. This Chinese billionaire

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Speaker 1: was seeking parental rights to at least four unborn children,

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Speaker 1: and they thought, wait a minute, what's going on here.

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Speaker 1: So they did a search on the name and found

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Speaker 1: out he'd already fathered was in the process of fathering

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Speaker 1: at least eight more, all through surrogates. This Chinese billionaire

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Speaker 1: was seeking parental rights to at least four children. Blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. He was so, but it's more

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Speaker 1: than a dozen now. So the judge called him in

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Speaker 1: for a confidential hearing summer ago, but he never entered

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Speaker 1: the courtroom. He appeared via video. Speaking through an interpreter.

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Speaker 1: He explained that he hoped to have twenty or so

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Speaker 1: US born children through surrogacy, all boys because they're superior

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Speaker 1: to girls. Well less to say, no, no, it's all

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Speaker 1: IVF okay, Yeah he wants is making all these other

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Speaker 1: one Oh that was a stretch it to the dragon

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Speaker 1: with too bad maybe anyway, Uh, he's breeding this army

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Speaker 1: of US born kids to one day take over his business.

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Speaker 1: Surrogacy is illegal in China, I believe, and so a

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Speaker 1: lot of Chinese people who want to have a child

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Speaker 1: versus via surrogates come to the United States. But a

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Speaker 1: couple of them have jumped to everybody's attention because it's

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Speaker 1: not like they want one or two kids. They're they're

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Speaker 1: literally using US women as like breeding sows. Chinese elites

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Speaker 1: and billionaires are going outside of China where domestic surrogacy

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Speaker 1: is illegal. To quietly have large numbers of US babies.

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Speaker 2: Is not. It's not a compliment. Nobody wants to be

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Speaker 2: called a breeding sow. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you tell us we're mansplaining. Oh yeah, I would

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Speaker 1: love to be called a breeding sow. Well, don't nobody

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Speaker 1: will call you that.

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Speaker 3: This whole serviuce thing thing. They make a lot of

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Speaker 3: money the way that do this, even just the whole

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Speaker 3: legal just an America sort of version, you may, yeah,

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Speaker 3: in America they do wow, Like.

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Speaker 1: Chinese billionaires are paying a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, dang it didn't now Now now I'm wishing I

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Speaker 2: was a woman, or maybe maybe I should change my sex.

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Speaker 1: So uh yeah, men can give birth. We've learned that

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Speaker 1: over and over again. Go ahead and try so.

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Speaker 2: If you're like a healthy twenty eight year old woman

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Speaker 2: who wants to make your money this way, do you

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Speaker 2: have any idea how much money you could make cranking

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Speaker 2: out a kid every couple of years.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they mentioned it here, but I've seen

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Speaker 1: you can make six figures per baby. Yeah, that's probably

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Speaker 1: the top end. Because, for instance, a thriving mini industry

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Speaker 1: of American surrogacy agencies, law firms, clinic delivery agency, eight

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Speaker 1: delivery agencies, and nanny services. They'll even pick up the

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Speaker 1: newborn from the hospital. They've risen to accommodate the demand,

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Speaker 1: permitting parents to ship their gymnetic material abroad and get

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Speaker 1: a baby delivered back at the cost of up to

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Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars per child. That's for the whole shebang.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen that. Just getting pregnant with the baby

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Speaker 3: and having it you can make anywhere between seventy five

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Speaker 2: And I know two people that have done this. Of course,

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Speaker 2: deciding to have nine months of your life be that

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Speaker 2: and then you know what it does to your body

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Speaker 2: and the recovery and it's no minor deal.

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Speaker 1: Right, But picture that. So this Chinese billionaire there are

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Speaker 1: other ones we're going to feature, but sends his sperms

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Speaker 1: to the United States. You a surrogate is impregnated, she

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Speaker 1: gives birth, the kid gets grabbed by the nanny slash

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Speaker 1: delivery service who delivers the baby slot off. They go, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but seriously, what is it? Does that now sound like

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Speaker 1: a breeding operation, do you think? And then they bring

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Speaker 1: you your little piglet that happens to be a human being.

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Speaker 1: Let's see where's this other guy.

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Speaker 2: Seems to run counter to the way we look at

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Speaker 2: human beings. The United States see that as being the problem.

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Speaker 1: Some Chinese parents, inspired by Elon Musk's Fourteen Known Children,

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Speaker 1: pay millions in surrogacy fees to hire women in the

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Speaker 1: US to help them build families of jaw dropping size.

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Speaker 1: That one guy who we mentioned, Zoo Shue is his

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Speaker 1: name's Exu, calls himself China's first father, and is known

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Speaker 1: as China as a vocal critic of feminism on social

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Speaker 1: Media's company said he has more than one hundred children

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Speaker 1: born through urgency in the US. Another wealthy Chinese executive,

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Speaker 1: Wang Hu O Woo Woo Woo, hired US models and

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Speaker 1: others as egg donors to have ten girls. Oh so

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Speaker 1: he's working team female with the aim of one day

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Speaker 1: marrying them off to powerful men. Again. Down on the

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Speaker 1: baby farm.

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Speaker 2: Of enormous size, you meant the number of people, not

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Speaker 2: the individuals.

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Speaker 3: Just giants, all of them.

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Speaker 2: Eighty pound babies four feet long.

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Speaker 1: Ooh, usually large families referring to the number indeed, uh

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Speaker 1: some oh no, we already did that part. Uh. The

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Speaker 1: growing Asian market for you for international fertility services has

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Speaker 1: drawn the attention of American investors, including Peter Thiel, whose

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Speaker 1: family is backed a chain of IVF clinics across Southeast

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Speaker 1: Asia and recently opened a branch in Los Angeles. Where

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Speaker 1: there's demand, there will be a supply. Where was that

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Speaker 1: there was one more thing I wanted to tell you, Eh, whatever, Oh,

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Speaker 1: here it is.

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Speaker 2: Here it is. You're in the midst of pregnancy, Katie,

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Speaker 2: as I'm sure you could attest. It's not like an

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Speaker 2: easy thing to do. It should it should pay a

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Speaker 2: lot before you'd be willing to go through it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not easy. I do know some people that

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Speaker 3: it has been relatively easy for. And I have a

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Speaker 3: friend that actually says, oh, I loved being pregnant.

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Speaker 1: Where I just look at her like, what she's risking

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Speaker 1: a beating? If that was true for you.

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Speaker 2: I sat next to a woman on a plane one

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Speaker 2: time who told me she had three kids, and she

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Speaker 2: told me the best times I've ever felt my life, Literally,

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Speaker 2: the best I've ever felt was that I was pregnant

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Speaker 2: all three times. Man, you got to keep that to yourself. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: she should only tell your priest and the therapist that story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and my wife, I know her three

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Speaker 1: prepregnancies were a lot like our three kids, very different

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Speaker 1: from each other. Yeah, So what I was looking for

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Speaker 1: is other Chinese clients, many, many, many of them are

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Speaker 1: seeking more typical numbers of babies. They're high powered executives,

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Speaker 1: lacking the time and inclination to bear their own children.

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Speaker 1: Try the natural way. It's not bad. Older parents are

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Speaker 1: same sex couples. According to people who range these surrocacy deals,

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Speaker 1: all have the wealth to go outside China while maintaining

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Speaker 1: the privacy needed to manage potential logistical, publicity and legal

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Speaker 1: issues back home. And some have the political clout to

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Speaker 1: avoid censure. And the market's grown so sophisticated. As we

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Speaker 1: started to describe earlier, a lot of these guys have

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Speaker 1: had us born children with out ever setting foot in

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Speaker 1: the country. They just do it all by mail, including

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Speaker 1: the kid. Obviously, the kid is brought back, yeah, personally

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Speaker 1: to China. But it's just unbelievable. Yeah on savory that is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I just know I take parenthood so seriously.

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Speaker 2: I just can't imagine having bunches and bunches of kids

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Speaker 2: out there with my DNA, and I just don't think

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Speaker 2: much about what becomes of them.

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Speaker 3: I think about the families that are going through IVF

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Speaker 3: that just pray and pray for one right.

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Speaker 1: Right, right. Several of this Hue Bows kids were being

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Speaker 1: raised by nannies in nearby Irvine as they awaited paperwork

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Speaker 1: to travel to China. He hasn't met them, he told

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Speaker 1: the judge, because work had been busy. Oh, I'm telling

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Speaker 1: you it's a puppy mill, but humans, China.

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Speaker 3: No value for human life at all, whatsoever?

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Speaker 1: Trueette, Well, I don't know. The guy wants a hundred kids.

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Speaker 1: He's got to puts some value on it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's it.

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Speaker 1: Don't trust China. Where was that? Michael Lazy Laz