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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Ryan, What with us? As websites are linked

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Speaker 2: up at Coast to COASTAM dot com. Ryan, Are you

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Speaker 2: happy with the progress of the governments right now or not?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Well, no, I'm not happy. I don't think anybody in

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Speaker 4: the UFO communities is happy with their the level of progress.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I you know, one of the great things

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Speaker 4: that's happened in the past couple of years has been

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Speaker 4: the testimony before Congress, which has been powerful and helpful

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Speaker 4: in really getting the world to you know, see the

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Speaker 4: phenomena in a different way. And it reminds me of

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Speaker 4: a quote from you know, Admiral Ross grow Hill and Color,

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Speaker 4: the first director of the CIA, and you know, back

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Speaker 4: in nineteen sixty they were saying, you know, it's time

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Speaker 4: for the truth to be brought out in open congressional

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Speaker 4: hearings and behind the scenes high ranking Air Force officers

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Speaker 4: is soberly concerned about UFOs, but thought official secrecy and

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Speaker 4: ridicule is preventing many citizens from coming out and talking

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Speaker 4: about the phenomenon. So the pressure to have more open

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Speaker 4: discussions has been around for a long time. But I

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Speaker 4: would say that progress is sort of status quo. But

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Speaker 4: you're far more in touch with the pulse of this

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Speaker 4: field than I have given your you know, coast to

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Speaker 4: coast efforts and interviews.

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Speaker 2: Have you come across any documents that just blew your mind?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean the Majestic Documents, which I'm sort of

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Speaker 4: the expert at advocate for the way my father and

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Speaker 4: I worked on them in their authenticity. It is a

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Speaker 4: huge collection of very stunning stuff and very sort of

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Speaker 4: interesting and then some sort of bureaucratic blase. But I

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Speaker 4: must say that I recently was talking or briefly talked

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Speaker 4: to Senator Mark Warner of Virginia. I was on the

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Speaker 4: Intelligence Committee of the Senate, and he said, well, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we talk about this stuff all the time, and yeah,

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Speaker 4: we want to have you into tell us what you

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Speaker 4: know because you've been studying this for thirty years or

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Speaker 4: so or more than that, and so that was studying exciting.

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Speaker 4: I was at a fusion conference that's my day job

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Speaker 4: running a fusion company. It's the Fusion Industry Association conference

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Speaker 4: in Washington, d C. And he a sort of a

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Speaker 4: keynote talk about the importance of nutrier fusion and in

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Speaker 4: the future of planet Earth and humanity.

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Speaker 2: That's an exciting show all by itself.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well my efforts is the CEO of Electric Fusion.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's a fundamentally society needs to

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Speaker 4: fix all its big problems, which you know, the ETS

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Speaker 4: keep advocating that we we try to address it. Nukes

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Speaker 4: and environmental problems and wars and man's in humanity demand

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Speaker 4: and there's just a huge cross section of it. And

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Speaker 4: actually Captain Robert sallas Suit's going to be speaking at

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Speaker 4: Contact in the Desert and you've probably interviewed on the

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Speaker 4: show and his highlight of yeah, I was down in

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Speaker 4: a nice EVM silo, a minute man silo, and yeah,

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Speaker 4: the UFOs came overhead and shut down all my icvms

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Speaker 4: and did it not only with my cluster, but another

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Speaker 4: cluster had a different commander, but they It's clear the

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Speaker 4: UFO has paid a lot of attention to nuclear weapons

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Speaker 4: and nuclear powered things because well why it's the question

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Speaker 4: and even historically, you know, we detonated the first atomic

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Speaker 4: bomb in July of forty five, and I think that

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Speaker 4: was heard throughout the universe. And now they decided to

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Speaker 4: pay more attention to planet Earth. And when we detonated

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Speaker 4: a fusion bomb in fifty two, there was all those

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Speaker 4: over flights over Washington d in fifty two, and maybe

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Speaker 4: just a reminder that you know, you're you're messing with

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Speaker 4: some really nasty stuff that can destroy the planet. And

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Speaker 4: I think they don't want us to destroy the planet.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so either, or the universe. Maybe it

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Speaker 2: is a hole in the universe.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's certainly there's all these interdimensional and uninsen consequences

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Speaker 4: and physics that we don't understand, and that's what's fascinated,

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Speaker 4: you know, more modern society, with the Tic tax and

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Speaker 4: the various testimony of Grush and those congressional things that hey,

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Speaker 4: the physics of these saucers are are beyond our understanding.

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Speaker 4: You know, this is not the Newtonian, it's not Einsteinian,

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Speaker 4: it's it's not u Teslonian, if there's such a word is.

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Speaker 4: But all those big guns in gravity, you know, had

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Speaker 4: their theories and they still do, but they don't seem

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Speaker 2: Though. It appears, and I agree with you that a

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Speaker 2: lot of visitations occurred after the atomic bombs are set off.

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Speaker 2: I still believe that we were seated by them since

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Speaker 2: the beginning of time. What do you think.

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Speaker 4: It's it's highly logical and and I and I believe

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Speaker 4: that one of the astronauts in UFOs who knows, actually

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Speaker 4: made a comment sort of like that. I don't maybe

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Speaker 4: I can find it at the right moment, but yes,

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Speaker 4: it seems like if you look at the evolutionary biology

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Speaker 4: and changes, and then there's the sort of basic fact, well,

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Speaker 4: you know, eight percent or ninety six percent of the

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Speaker 4: DNA in our body is like considered quote junk. I

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Speaker 4: don't believe it. I think it's it's maybe left over

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Speaker 4: alien DNA that hasn't been switched on, or it serves

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Speaker 4: some other purpose. It's clearly we wouldn't evolve with it

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Speaker 4: if it didn't serve a purpose.

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Speaker 2: Would you be in shock if governments came out and said,

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Speaker 2: we've been visited, we had to keep it a secret.

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Speaker 2: It's wide open right now.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 4: I think that statement is very very placid and acceptable,

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Speaker 4: and everybody would sort of yawn and say, okay, yeah, well,

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Speaker 4: so what it's it's about? What they say and how

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Speaker 4: they say it. And in in my my book the

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Speaker 4: AI Eufologists, I sort of try to address this question

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Speaker 4: of juggling the secrecy and the transparency. So the citizens

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Speaker 4: all want transparency, tell us all the truth and so forth,

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Speaker 4: and the control group wants the secrecy because they don't

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Speaker 4: have unintended consequences and and so there, I guess my

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Speaker 4: recommendation from the sideline is that they ought to have

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Speaker 4: a process. They got to decide, well, we're going to

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Speaker 4: we're going to create a congressional UFOs R or something

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Speaker 4: like that others probably never worked, and we're going to

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Speaker 4: over what administration or the next uh share small snippets

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Speaker 4: of of increasingly antilizing information as a way to sort

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Speaker 4: of keep the fire under the disclosure topic and slowly

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Speaker 4: acclimate the people in the world to increasingly detailed information

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Speaker 4: about the phenomenon, why they're here, what do they want,

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Speaker 4: what have we learned? It's the great crime against humanity

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Speaker 4: is that they've got crash saucers and they've figured out

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Speaker 4: lots of different science, from material science to maybe gravity,

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Speaker 4: control of propulsion. There's a lot of different aspects that

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Speaker 4: a few thousand cloistered, bright scientists that have worked on

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Speaker 4: rather than the entire FAI lanths of humanities, engineering and

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Speaker 4: science talent to really push on, you know, for example,

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Speaker 4: Roswell parts or bar Art's parts, and there's so much

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Speaker 4: that I don't know and that we don't know about it.

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Speaker 4: But that's that's the sad part, is that we could

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Speaker 4: help humanity but we haven't been able to do it

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Speaker 4: because of the secrecy.

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Speaker 2: Look at the quote of astronaut al Warden if you would,

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Speaker 2: the Ryan Is he the one that kind of hinted

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Speaker 2: that we've been cheated.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yes, I think we may have a combination

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Speaker 4: of creatures that are living here on Earth sometime in

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Speaker 4: the past and have and having visitation, if you will,

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Speaker 4: by creatures from somewhere else in the universe. I'm not

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Speaker 4: at all convinced that we were not the result of

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Speaker 4: a particular union some many thousand years ago that was

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Speaker 4: you know, right on point there. If in fact this

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Speaker 4: is the case, a very small group of explorers could

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Speaker 4: land on the planet and could create successors to themselves

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Speaker 4: that would eventually take up the pursuit of let's say,

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Speaker 4: inhabiting the rest of the universe. So, and this is

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Speaker 4: what we want to We want to go terrorform Mars

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Speaker 4: and and and fix the moon or I mean, Mars

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Speaker 4: is a better place to terrorform. But that's what you do.

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Speaker 4: That's what we want to do. We want to keep

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Speaker 4: exploring the stars that we have gravity control of, not

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Speaker 4: of planet like the Earth's and didn't have any people

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Speaker 4: on it, they'd start a colony. So yep, that's what

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Speaker 4: they want to do. And thanks for finding that, George,

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Speaker 4: that was a good find.

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Speaker 2: You make it in the book. What would you say

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Speaker 2: is the most compelling piece of evidence you've ever heard

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Speaker 2: that convinces the world that we're being visited?

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Speaker 4: Well, that's that's a really tough question because everybody relates

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Speaker 4: to different things. But the first thing that came to

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Speaker 4: my mind is mass sightings. It's just really tough.

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Speaker 2: Lights.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like the Phoenix lights or other cases in time

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Speaker 4: where thousands of people or entire towns see something that's

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Speaker 4: you know, not just a fleeting glance, but something hovering

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Speaker 4: So those are the actually somebody should probably do a

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Speaker 4: whole book or maybe somebody's done a whole book on

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Speaker 4: nothing but mass sightings where where you have hundreds or

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Speaker 4: thousands of people with a direct, firsthand common experience, and

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Speaker 4: that's a powerful bonding in. If we had money in

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Speaker 4: the UFO field, you could have reunions of these people

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Speaker 4: to come back together and share their stories and learn

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Speaker 4: a little bit more. And an author that was doing

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Speaker 4: think that's one way to highlight powerful evidence. People. People

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Speaker 4: believe people, but you know they also.

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Speaker 3: You know, believe newspaper articles and videos, and you know

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Speaker 3: seeing is believing, and you know, a good good video

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Speaker 3: in kind of text and live TV of an interview

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Speaker 4: Released the Holoman video tape of an alleged landing in

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Speaker 4: Holloman Air Force Base with the ET and the generals,

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Speaker 4: that might be very interesting and to convince a lot

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Speaker 4: of people and not be too dangerous. Actually, But I'm

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Speaker 4: just speculating.

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Speaker 2: What do you see as the future of UFO research.

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Speaker 4: The future of it? That's a great question. Well, I'm

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Speaker 4: focused on My research has evolved from being sort of

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Speaker 4: interested in the phenomenon and the physics to UFO crashes

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Speaker 4: and spent you know, a couple of decades on crashes,

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Speaker 4: and now I'm sort of fixated on man made UFOs

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Speaker 4: and working through a compendium on man made UFOs sort

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Speaker 4: of the gravity wars, the silver Bullets of aerospace. And

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Speaker 4: that's what I'm going to talk about in Contact in

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Speaker 4: the Desert, which you're there as well, is you know,

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Speaker 4: man made saucers and tracing the history of the defense

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Speaker 4: contractors and efforts and physicists to try to figure out

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Speaker 4: the equations of gravity. And this is another quote by

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Speaker 4: Ben Rich you've probably heard before, is that his retirement

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Speaker 4: after fifteen years at Lockheed Skunk Works in UCLA in

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Speaker 4: nineteen ninety three, that you know, we have the technology

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Speaker 4: to take et home. We found a mistaken equations and

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Speaker 4: it won't take a lifetime to travel to the stars.

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Speaker 2: Very very credible person too, a.

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Speaker 4: Highly credible person, a very credible job. And so the

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Speaker 4: clue there in my mind is we found a mistake

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Speaker 4: in the equations. So ets don't do equation to my knowledge,

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Speaker 4: I mean human beings do. And so some combination of

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Speaker 4: Einstein or Maxwell or some derivation of of Keeley or

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Speaker 4: Tesla's work is a set of equations that tell you

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Speaker 4: how to manipulate and control gravity, and there's many UFO

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Speaker 4: cases that provide hints or clues as to how UFOs work.

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