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Speaker 1: That's the spirit we bring to this show.

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Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. It's a heshy Appreciate Appreciation Monday,

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Speaker 1: right here on Morning Combat. It's the fourteenth of December

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Speaker 1: twenty today. Hi everyone, my name is Luke Thomas, and

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Speaker 1: the show's already off the rails and it's five seconds in.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing? We are coming off of a

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Speaker 1: week of UFC two fifty six, Joshua Versus Poolev and

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Speaker 1: I am joined by my co host, who is also

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Speaker 1: from CBS Sports. It is the inimitable Brian Campbell. What

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Speaker 2: I'd like to say, what's up to our audience of

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Speaker 1: You're so wrong about if anything, it promotes it.

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Speaker 2: It is absolutely all the topics we're about to talk about,

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Speaker 1: If that were the case. If that were the case,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for all our folks. Okay, also you love

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Speaker 2: But you nailed it this look, this fight, but really

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Speaker 2: Let me steal the mic from you and just say, yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's better than Yoanna and Waley, who

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Speaker 2: But uh luke, what do we do with it?

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Speaker 1: I would say. I went back and I rewatched the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but don't qualify. This is the best flyweight fight

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Speaker 1: I mean it was okay, yeah, it's fine, it's fine.

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Speaker 1: All right, yeah, I mean this was the best fight

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, definitely, definitely would agree with that. Fan. I mean,

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Speaker 2: for years, all right, you.

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Speaker 1: And together same Dana White said BC that they want

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it all depends on the calendar and what's available

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Speaker 2: It just sucks because we still don't have an answer.

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Speaker 1: That's the last thing. I said this on the Instant

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Speaker 2: and inflating twenty pounds after the weigh and it almost

429
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Speaker 2: explains and fuels his style as a finisher, because it's

430
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Speaker 2: not natural to go five rounds with after that kind

431
00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,320
Speaker 2: of caught with that situation, That's why I cannot say

432
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,439
Speaker 2: enough about the pace Figuredo kept up for twenty five

433
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,480
Speaker 2: minutes and that he was the fresher fighter in the

434
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Speaker 2: final round of this fight. But Luke, while you can

435
00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,440
Speaker 2: argue and Sugar Rashad did on this show that the

436
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,280
Speaker 2: short turnaround was better for him to keep the weight

437
00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,280
Speaker 2: off and make it, you do wonder being too active?

438
00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,760
Speaker 2: Is that going to be a problem because physically he's

439
00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,600
Speaker 2: taxing himself so much to make these weight cuts and

440
00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,800
Speaker 2: now having to go five hallacious rounds. Is it better

441
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,000
Speaker 2: to take more time off to rest and heal or

442
00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,400
Speaker 2: does that always restart the process of this very difficult cut.

443
00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,080
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what the right balance of that is

444
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,879
Speaker 2: moving forward. I still have fears that he consistently can

445
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,160
Speaker 2: make this, But God, if you can go five rounds

446
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 2: at that pace against a killer like Moreno, maybe maybe

447
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,639
Speaker 2: BC should shut up in his basement, right, Maybe we

448
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,120
Speaker 2: should stop having this conversation.

449
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see how it goes. If he just keeps

450
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 1: making weight like Habib eventually just figured out how to

451
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,120
Speaker 1: make weight, it's over for a lot of you folks

452
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 1: out there. Okay, let's go to point number two. BC.

453
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,439
Speaker 1: So Tony Ferguson not only loses in the co main

454
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Speaker 1: event at UFC two thirty six, two fifty six, excuse me,

455
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:42,200
Speaker 1: he got dominated. I want to start on the positive

456
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,640
Speaker 1: end of things BC, and that means acknowledging the victor here.

457
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 1: That means acknowledging Charles olivera BC. He wins thirty twenty

458
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Speaker 1: six on all three judges scorecards. He turned Ferguson's arm

459
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Speaker 1: into almost broken spaghetti in the first round. What is

460
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Speaker 1: your big takeaway about the Brazilian's performance?

461
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, good question, because it feels like Tony Ferguson owned

462
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,639
Speaker 2: the lead up to this fight, and he's owning the

463
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,919
Speaker 2: postfight narrative too. In opposite ways. But look, the biggest

464
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 2: takeaway is that Charles Olivera continues to show me in

465
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 2: the past couple years that he's better than I thought

466
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,119
Speaker 2: he was, and maybe even way better. I mean, this

467
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 2: is an insane eight fight win streak, not insane in

468
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 2: the quality per se, because we did talk about that

469
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:29,439
Speaker 2: coming in. Had he had enough legitimate elite level threats

470
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Speaker 2: to feel comfortable picking him against Tony Ferguson on paper,

471
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 2: I said no, because I was living under the rule that,

472
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 2: no matter what, you just can't bet against Tony. He's

473
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 2: that surreal, different, weird, special all that. But what Charles

474
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 2: Olivera did just nobody does that to Tony, and nobody

475
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 2: except Tony Luke really does what he's doing right now,

476
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,360
Speaker 2: which is in the sports most dangerous division, the deepest division.

477
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 2: Where maybe I didn't love all the names he's beating

478
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 2: because they weren't top ten guys, they're still tough as nails,

479
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,439
Speaker 2: because this division one fifty five just reduces nothing but killers.

480
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 2: I mean, he's rolling through these guys. He's got the

481
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,880
Speaker 2: UFC submission record by like three over Damian Maya, who's

482
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,640
Speaker 2: been around a lot longer. He is absolute world class

483
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 2: and it's not just the well rounding of his game.

484
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 2: It's just I mean, look at him with the damn

485
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,400
Speaker 2: silver hair. Is just he's walking around with so much

486
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 2: confidence that he's an elite stud that I'm at the

487
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 2: point where let's find out. I mean, like, give this

488
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,439
Speaker 2: guy a title shot. I don't believe Habibe is ever

489
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 2: fighting again. Give this guy the winner of Dustin and Connor, Like,

490
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 2: what else do we have to say about him? Look,

491
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,360
Speaker 2: he is everything right now, and I want to find

492
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Speaker 2: out if that means he beat an older Ferguson or

493
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 2: he really is everything and he could legitly be holding

494
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Speaker 2: this title six nine months from now.

495
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he'd be a hell of a fight for Habib

496
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 1: as well, you know, on the feet, could hold his

497
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Speaker 1: own on the ground. Maybe he wouldn't be able to

498
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 1: fight off the takedown, but so what So what if

499
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Speaker 1: he couldn't fight off the takedown at that point, he'd

500
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 1: be an extremely interesting fight to see how they would

501
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 1: match up. I don't think that we'll get it. I

502
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 1: think you're right on the there's anyway that Mermica Manuf

503
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 1: comes back, or at least it seems unlikely at this point,

504
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: but it is something to ponder about how that would go.

505
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: But just speaking about this moment on Saturday, let's just

506
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: say it outright. You can't make this claim ahead of time,

507
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: but there is reason to believe that Charles Olivera could

508
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: become a UFC lightweight champion. It's not crazy, it's not

509
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: crazy at all. He might be. We can't declare that

510
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: he is, but he might be the best guy in

511
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: the world at one hundred and fifty five pounds. To

512
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: be on the run that he's been on is pretty impressive.

513
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: To do what he's been doing to the guys before

514
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: this fight is pretty impressive. And I know we'll talk

515
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 1: about Tony and his state of things in just a second,

516
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 1: but I rewatched that fight three or four times now.

517
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: In the second and third rounds, there's a lot that

518
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,479
Speaker 1: Tony does right to defend himself, and still he couldn't

519
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: really get much going at all because Charles Olivera was

520
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: in total and complete command. So, in addition to sort

521
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 1: of just saying that this guy could be the best

522
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty five pounder on earth, again, I'm

523
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,719
Speaker 1: not saying that he is, but he's he's not far

524
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Speaker 1: from that consideration. Understand excuse me. This guy made his

525
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: debut about ten years ago on the card which was

526
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: UFC Jones matt Ushenko. This was August first, twenty ten

527
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: BC August first, twenty ten. The fight that preceded Olivera's

528
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: debut was Rob Kimmins versus Steve Steinbeiss, And you might

529
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 1: be like, who, right, That's the point. This guy began

530
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 1: his UFC run in a completely different moment in time

531
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: in MMA, a utterly different world. He made his debut

532
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: I guess on Facebook, but the main card was on

533
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: versus Right. This is a totally different universe, and he

534
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: was a very different fighter. Sometimes fighters start this early

535
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 1: in the UFC and then they wash out and maybe

536
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 1: they come back. He stuck around and we talked about

537
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: it on Friday ABC. He had his ups and his downs.

538
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: How many weeks in a row, whether it is Brandon Moreno,

539
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: whether it is Marvin Vittori, or whether it is now

540
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 1: Charles Olivera. Do you have to see I don't mean

541
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: they're proverbial, you not you specifically ABC, where fighters start

542
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: in the UFC at a very young age and they're good,

543
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: but they're not great. In fact, they've got some pretty

544
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: noticeable flaws. But if they stick around long enough and

545
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: they get just enough wins to hang around and mareno

546
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: moreno washed out for a time. But if they come

547
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: back and they keep building on what they have, and

548
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: their youth is not so much a hindrance but a

549
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: boon for their future. Look at what they can become now.

550
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 1: Just because someone is young in the UFC doesn't mean

551
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: they're ultimately going to become the next world beater. But

552
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 1: you've got to be careful about making a label about

553
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: who somebody is or what they can be when they're

554
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: twenty three years old, when they're twenty five years old.

555
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: This guy is now thirty one BC. And I want

556
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: to make one final point here and I'll put you

557
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: back to you, which is you can know how to strike,

558
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: and you can know how to wrestle, and you can

559
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: know how to do submissions, But that doesn't mean you

560
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 1: actually know how to fight, because there's something broader about fighting,

561
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: which is recognizing certain opportunities, knowing when to push, knowing

562
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 1: when to hit the brake, knowing what kind of strategy

563
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: you want to use at a certain time, right, having

564
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: a calmness about the process, getting rid of stupid rookie

565
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: mistakes do he is so far past all of that.

566
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: His range command was excellent here. He knew exactly what

567
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: his task was and he carried it out to nearly perfection.

568
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: This guy hasn't just improved as in all the different

569
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: pieces the composite martial arts of MMABC, but overall his mind,

570
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: his experience and understanding how to fight. He is a

571
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: legitimate threat to that title, and he is a threat

572
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: to anybody at one hundred and fifty five pounds.

573
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 2: Look, you have the cadence of a college professor. I'm

574
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: very transfixed, and I'm there and I'm with you. You

575
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: just did a better job than I did of sort

576
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 2: of explaining my opening point. I mentioned Oliver's confidence. That

577
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: was sort of the musk that attracted me, but it

578
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 2: was sort of that there was an unknown element to it.

579
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: And I think that after listening to you say that,

580
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: I'm realizing there are two different kinds of confidences in

581
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: the fight game. There's just the balls out I'm gonna

582
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: refer fuse to even acknowledge the things that I haven't

583
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: done yet or don't have the or the fear that

584
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 2: should be here, And I'm just going to be a

585
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: warrior and walk through and go after it. And someone

586
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: like e Conor McGregor right had a just next level, deep,

587
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: magical level of confidence that he was able to envision

588
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: things before he achieved them, and that kind of stuff

589
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 2: that's a special thing to itself. I feel like Olivera's

590
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: got the other kind of confidence right now, which basically says,

591
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: I've been here before and I've failed, I've done this,

592
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: And he's got the experience of two separate two fight

593
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 2: losing skids and kind of being written off at various

594
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 2: times where that fuels if you put your complete game

595
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: together mentally, physically, emotionally, you know your you're training and

596
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 2: nutrition is. You know where he is right now at

597
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 2: the super elite, full speed ahead levels, we're seeing the

598
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: very top ceiling of what he can be. And it's

599
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: fun to watch when you see that, because here's the

600
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: guy that goes in there with the confidence not that

601
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: I'm going to be this badass and and take you out,

602
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: but that everything you show to me, I've prepared, I've

603
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: seen it before, and I know how to beat it.

604
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: It's scary. Look when somebody is riding that level of

605
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 2: belief in themselves, it can get scary and it's very

606
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 2: fun to watch, so I think he's riding that. But

607
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: can we flip the switch on Tony here?

608
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: I can so the same question. Your biggest take away

609
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: from him?

610
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:12,959
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I don't want to come on here

611
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,239
Speaker 2: and write the oh bit. Certainly not right. These are

612
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: two hillacious, back to back tough fights justin Gaegee Charles Olivera.

613
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 2: Both would have either given him the title or put

614
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 2: him in position to fight for it in some ways.

615
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 2: But there's a saying, Luke, I don't know if you're

616
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 2: into like YouTube boxing breakdown analysts, but there's this divorce

617
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: lawyer in California named Richard Dwyer used to play a

618
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 2: lot of his sound on my boxing podcast back in

619
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: the day. He's got this quote, Luke, don't fall in

620
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: love with a fighter who no longer exists. And that's

621
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: a quote based on the idea of, you know, holding

622
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: somebody to their aura and their legend when the magic

623
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: is gone. And to Tony Ferguson of the twelve fight

624
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 2: win streak, Luke, he doesn't exist anymore. And that doesn't

625
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: mean at thirty six that he's done so, but it

626
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: means for now on this super elite level and this

627
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: narrative that we've been holding for so long of when's

628
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: Tony finally gonna get that chance to cash in on

629
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 2: everything he's built, the windstreak, the pound for pound ranking,

630
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: the badassness, bringing the damn baseball, doing all the weird

631
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: stuff that he does, giving you gifts after the public workout.

632
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: We never got to see him freaking cash in on it.

633
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 2: And that was really my biggest takeaway, almost from the

634
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: whole card, even separate from the flyweights, was that I

635
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: felt like Luke, we saw something end and something else begin,

636
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: and maybe that beginning is Charles Olivera now'll be taking

637
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: seriously as a major title threat. But he took Tony

638
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: Ferguson's spot in that conversation by the way he dominated him,

639
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: and by the way that Tony, while yes looking flat,

640
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: yes looking not like the prime version of himself, every

641
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: avenue that he tried to open up just got shut

642
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: right in his face. Luke not the same guy anymore.

643
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: And it's sad to see. Not sad to see because

644
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: I'm some Tony superfan, but you want to see somebody

645
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: have the chance to prove that they are that guy.

646
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: He got so close to getting that chance for reasons

647
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: outside his own control, and I don't know if he's

648
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: ever going to get that chance now, Luke.

649
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not a whole lot I disagree with, except

650
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: I would partly listen. I'll say this, in terms of

651
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: what opportunities he might get going forward, you would have

652
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: to be a little bit concerned because even when he

653
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,479
Speaker 1: was on that epic winning streak, the poor guy couldn't

654
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: get a title shot. And we could say it on

655
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: the show very easily. He deserved bigger opportunities than he

656
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: ultimately got. And I'm saying that not right now, because

657
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: he's owed something by virtue of tenure. He was owed

658
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: something when he was on that win streak. And yes,

659
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: I know some of that was just injury getting in

660
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: the way. And I'm not saying the us he didn't

661
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: try to make the Beep fight. They tried five fing times.

662
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,239
Speaker 1: You know, there's just a lot of circumstances that were

663
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: just bad luck. But in terms of like what he

664
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: was able to cash in on, to use your words,

665
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: based on what he had accomplished, the game did him

666
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: wrong a little bit, whether it was by accident or

667
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: by intention, it just did, and I think we should

668
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: say that out loud, and I am. On the other hand,

669
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: if you're a Tony fan, if he wasn't getting those

670
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: opportunities when he was winning and now he is losing,

671
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: and he's losing quite badly. He got you know, he

672
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: didn't get finished in this one, but I mean he

673
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: got pretty much as closed as you can without getting finished,

674
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: utterly dominated, you know, thirty twenty six across the board.

675
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: I mean, Jesus Christ, that is bad, right, So not.

676
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: Just that, like just dominated on the ground, like ragdal

677
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: then said on Luke you haven't seen.

678
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: This, No, you just haven't, and it was funny. Here's

679
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: the thing for MEBC, and I did say this on

680
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: my YouTube channel, but it bears repeating because I would

681
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: love to get your impression of this. It's not science.

682
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: In fact, what I'm about to tell you is very

683
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: much just like I don't really know what it means.

684
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: But BC, you ever see things in life where you

685
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: have a hard time, like if someone asked you to

686
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: defend it, you couldn't really defend it, but it just

687
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: still sticks with you. It still seeps into your mind

688
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: and it has a powerful effect. I noticed at the

689
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: beginning of this fight, or even before it, when Bruce

690
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: Buffer was introducing each guy, Tony wasn't doing the things

691
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: he normally does, right, He just kind of slightly, you know,

692
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 1: staying warm, kind of pacing, but not really. I went

693
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 1: back and looked at the Cerny and Pettis and Lee

694
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: and all these fights, and in them he does the

695
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: hand roll thing, and he does the level change takedown

696
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: slide on each side right like that. His Eddie Bravo

697
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: wasn't there, Rashad Holloway wasn't there, and he just kind

698
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: of stood there relative to what he normally does. And

699
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: then I want to marry that with what he told

700
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: you last week, which was a good interview, but he

701
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: had seen and we both agreed that we didn't he

702
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: was on the other side of the whole title picture.

703
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: We didn't know if that meant he was retooling for

704
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,959
Speaker 1: a different kind of campaign or if something was missing. Well,

705
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: between what he said there and he didn't look bad

706
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: in the second and third rounds we see, I want

707
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: to be clear, he looked really bad in the first.

708
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: He was utterly controlled in the second and third, but

709
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: it didn't look horrible. Okay, But you just put all

710
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: that together, what did I notice? It just felt to

711
00:32:55,080 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: me like the fire the el Kukui swag. I didn't

712
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: see it, did you?

713
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: No? No, And it makes you wonder a few things.

714
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: And yeah, you reference we tried to play armchair psychologists

715
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 2: with Tony from that interview, which is, you know, that's

716
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: a fool, that's a fool's mission under any circumstance, because

717
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: Tony's either next level so far ahead of you, or

718
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: he's just beyond the left field fence and isn't coming back.

719
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: But no, I wasn't able to really gauge it seemed

720
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: like a more jovial and fun Tony. I mean, look,

721
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: I've interviewed Tony before, and interviews that didn't get big

722
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: traffic where he's basically sent me to hell. Luke, I

723
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: mean you may have had, you know, all kinds of

724
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: up and down history with him as well, besides him

725
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: giving you gifts and when he has that edge, Yes,

726
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: you see a different version of him in the cage.

727
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 2: Do we chalk this up to two really tough matchups? Maybe,

728
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: but no, he's lost something. It's clear he's lost something,

729
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: and moving forward, you know he's gonna be a celebrity

730
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: BMF guy moving forward. I mean, you know, you know

731
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: he's gonna get a big fight next, because you can't

732
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: be in the welts, in the lightweight top ten and

733
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: not get a big fight. There's so many big names.

734
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: But you know, I'd almost want a Kevin Levery match.

735
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: Let's get our two guys back together, Luke, and that

736
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: that's It's the right kind of litmus test right now

737
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: to see where this guy is because I don't think

738
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: he's got you know, in the moment, but I don't

739
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: think he's getting back here. I don't think he can

740
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: get back there, Luke. Name Wise, you can always linger

741
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: and get a title shot. You're always one big win away.

742
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: Name wise, But the fire man that that that's been

743
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: put out.

744
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing we you and I were

745
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: talking about this yesterday when we were trying to come

746
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: up with a rundown, and even a little bit on

747
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: Saturday night. We were texting back and forth, which is,

748
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: you know, my theory, BC, you watch a lot of boxing,

749
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 1: so you'd have a better sense about this than I would.

750
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: My theory is that in MMA, because the production is

751
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: controlled by the promoter, and because MMA is kind of

752
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: a very small town people like don't want to acknowledge decline,

753
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: and I want to be very clear, you know I'm

754
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: not There's still a lot of possibilities about way this

755
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: this career could go. But I think, for if you're

756
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: Tony Ferguson a observer, at a bare minimum, you at

757
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 1: least have to take seriously the idea that decline is

758
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 1: upon us, and MMA fans never want to have that discussion,

759
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: and in part you get it right because you don't

760
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: want to take anything from Charles Olavera and you don't

761
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: want to be insulting to Tony Ferguson either. But don't

762
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: you feel like in boxing BC that if you begin

763
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: to see signs of decline, people don't hesitate to point

764
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: it out.

765
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 2: No, no, right away. I mean in boxing I must

766
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: feel like it's even harsher than MMA Twitter, which is

767
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 2: ready to write off everybody, even if even after a win,

768
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: people are getting to be written off, and boxing guys

769
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: fight even less, they fight against elite guys even less,

770
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: so it seems like even more the barbershop conversation of

771
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: is this guy done? But yeah, there's legit slippage here,

772
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: and the reason why you don't try to overplay it

773
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: is out of respect. But also there could be a

774
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: bad night at the office, bad fight camp, bad year, right,

775
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: there could be a lot of that in And that's

776
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: why I think we celebrate so much when guys come

777
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 2: back and make comebacks when we didn't expect it. But Luke,

778
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: how about this. What fuels decline? What fuels somebody becoming washed?

779
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: Well damaged? Certainly, but how about high stress? Tony lives

780
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: operates and peaks on under extreme amounts of stress in

781
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 2: his interviews, in his quick and almost remarkable comeback from injuries,

782
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: in his weird ass training point of view. So you know,

783
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 2: you mentioned the best we've seen to Tony. He's pacing

784
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: before his name is even announced. I mean, he is

785
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: a rabid animal. That's the damn best of Tony. The

786
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: Tony that came back at four months after destroying his

787
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: knee in the Fox studio to fight Cowboy or Pettis,

788
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 2: whoever it was. That's the best of Tony. But you

789
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: can't do that for that long. So you mix in

790
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: age thirty six, and you mix in look that you

791
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: can let me look in your personal life, you could

792
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: only be a over emotional badass for so long you

793
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: get to a certain point where you're like, you know,

794
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: I chill out a little bit. Maybe his you know,

795
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: maybe his body's chilling him out a little bit right now.

796
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 2: And you know you can live off the legend as

797
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: much as you can. But the proof, Luke, right right, Floyd,

798
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 2: Floyd's got hair by the way.

799
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 1: Right now. I want to get to some breaking news

800
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: in just a second, but let me ask you this,

801
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: to what extent do you put stock into the theory claim?

802
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: And obviously depends who's saying it, To what extent did

803
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: the beating he took against Justin Gaechee effect his performance

804
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,959
Speaker 1: on Saturday night PC. Yes, I'll get to the breaking

805
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 1: news in just a second.

806
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, wow, Wow, wow, Luke, it's part of what

807
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: I just said. It's damage plus stress equals decline.

808
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: You had a roll, yould you would agree to had

809
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: a roll?

810
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 2: I would agree.

811
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

812
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: He took a hillacious beating. And the weird thing was, Luke,

813
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: he was almost in that fight more than he was

814
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: the Olavero one, even though he took insanely more damage. Right,

815
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: he had more offensive moments in there against gae Chee,

816
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: But he may have left whatever was left in him

817
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: that allowed him to get to that crazy peak. He

818
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: may have left that, Luke.

819
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: All right, we have three more points on the rundown.

820
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: Let me take a moment here to get to some

821
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: breaking news BC. So this will we'll make a separate

822
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: video out of this afterwards for the producers who are watching.

823
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: All right, so let's get to this. This is not

824
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: part of our normal rundown. This is breaking news. This

825
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: comes to us from ESPN's Ariljwane quote. Joel Romero is

826
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: headed to Bellator. Romero has agreed to a new deal

827
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: with Belle Tour. Sources say he is expected to sign imminently.

828
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: He'll debut for the promotion in twenty twenty one at

829
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: two hundred and five pounds. His debut date in fight

830
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: aren't set yet. Sources say, let's go through this BC

831
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: if we can. That means if Ryan bater sticks around

832
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: a light heavyweight who just lost the title. There you

833
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: have Vedeem Nemkov, you have Ryan Baterter, you have Corey Anderson,

834
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: Anthony Johnson, Phil Davis, Joel Romero, and who am I'm missing?

835
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: Leoto Machida who can guard gay guard Musasi, who can

836
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 2: fight in both weight classes. Holy crap, Luke, he's going

837
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: a light heavyweight. Bro, He's going He's not gonna make

838
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 2: the crazy cuts. This is his retirement portion of his career,

839
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 2: right or the you know, the Shady Acres portion where

840
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: he's just gonna sit back, relax, have abs in his

841
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 2: mid forties, make two of five easy, and hopefully Luke

842
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: makes some fun, badass fights. Look, I think he has

843
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: a lot left in the tank despite his age, from

844
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 2: the idea of being a legit title contender and obviously

845
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: moving to Bellatore in theory gets him into those conversations quicker.

846
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 2: But we just laid out these are legitimate names. I mean,

847
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 2: if somebody like Phil Davis and Machida are just tests

848
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: at this point, Luke in the larger division title picture,

849
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: we're gonna see some very interesting fights now. I mean,

850
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 2: you know what I said when they signed, When they

851
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: signed Rumble last week on our show, I was like, man, image,

852
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 2: if we can get Rumble and Romero under the Belatore banner,

853
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: But that's just wishful armchair matchmaking, no jol. Romero's now

854
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: with Bellator and he's fighting at light heavyweight. These are

855
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: the right guys to sign if you are Bellator, even

856
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: though you try to go out of your way to

857
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: to not present yourself as the way station. The last

858
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 2: stop right BKFC is the real last stop for combat guys,

859
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: but the in between soft last stop used to be

860
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: Bellatore for guys like Stefan Bonner on the way out

861
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: of the UFC t to Ortiz blah blah blah. You

862
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: can still sign those names, but sign the guys that

863
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 2: seem to have more left in the tank. Rummel Johnson's

864
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 2: got some stuff in the t Luke, Romero's got some

865
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 2: stuff in the tank. Bader showed us he had a

866
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: lot left in the tank. I like what Scott Coker

867
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: is doing right now, even if just from the standpoint

868
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: of fun matchups that you need to tune in for.

869
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: This is how you do it. These are the right names,

870
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 2: the Saint Bonner, the Saint Ortiz, Luke. I need to

871
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 2: see these fights.

872
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're Scott Coker, who do you want

873
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: to sign?

874
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: Right?

875
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: You want to sign somebody that's got a little life

876
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: lift in him, depending on you know exactly what your

877
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: ambition is. Uel's forty four, but we both know that's

878
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: not a normal forty Four, that's a very abnormal. You

879
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: would think, what if you signed a three fight deal,

880
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: you'd get three decent fights out of the guy at

881
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: a bare minimum, potentially a lot more than that. So

882
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: in that sense, he's good to go in that one. Two,

883
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: he's I don't know how affordable he is, but he's

884
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: affordable for belt or given their needs. But three, this

885
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: is the most important one. BC. If you're Bellator and

886
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: you have a free agent signing, you want to sign

887
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: somebody that the fans cannot only get, you know, excited

888
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: about based on certain matchups in the division, and you

889
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: now have that right. But on top of that, just

890
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: somebody that the fans kind of love. People love watching

891
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: Yoel Romero. They will follow you well, Romero, he doesn't

892
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: have the hugest popularity, you know, relative to whoever is

893
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: out there as an a listener in MMA, but people

894
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: just know, man, when you Weil Romero fights out to

895
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: sign your fight, notwithstanding it's pretty much action guaranteed or

896
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: craziness guaranteed, or something unusual worth tuning in for guaranteed.

897
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: If you marry that strategy with what he's doing, which

898
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: is the you know, Belatort can't compete across all the

899
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: divisions that UFC has. UFC will have the majority of

900
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: the best talent in those divisions time to I mean

901
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: most of the time. But if you could pick a

902
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: division here or a division there, a little bit of

903
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: space here, a little bit of space there, you can

904
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: actually do something pretty legit. Go ahead, listen to this

905
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: again again. If Baterer sticks around, Nemkov, Bader, Anderson, Davis, Johnson, Romero,

906
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 1: potentially Musas Machida, that's your two hundred and five pound division, dude,

907
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: that you could do an e fing tournament with this, Yeah,

908
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 1: that's old division.

909
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: And hey, look, so Scott Koker just pulled the one A.

910
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 2: I think he made the right call as long as

911
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: financially obviously he didn't break the bank, we don't know

912
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: about that. But in where he said, at first, I'm

913
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: not interested in you, l but now I am. At first, Luke,

914
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: he wasn't too interested in another legend who can fight

915
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: at two hundred and five pounds. But Andy Silva is

916
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: still out there free agencies in Luke. All right, Okay, come.

917
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: On now, come on, hero, listen Romero.

918
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 2: To do a tournament, bro, you want to do a

919
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: Grand Prix and get people to care. Tell me this

920
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 2: right now.

921
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: Okay, just just dude, you're telling me, do I want

922
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: to see them call versus Anderson Silva? I would watch it,

923
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: but it's not competitive.

924
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: All right? All right? But when Strikeforce announced the Heavyweight

925
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: Grand Prix, true or false, it wasn't just a carnival asterisk,

926
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: you know, guilty pleasure. In that moment, you were like,

927
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 2: holy shit, ring TV ratings wise and fighter rankings wise,

928
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: this isn't as viable as.

929
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: What you have she could produce, right for that division?

930
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: Yes, at that time, for that division. Tell so if

931
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: they run out a two hundred and five pound Grand Prix,

932
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: and let's just go the extra mile and say they

933
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: got Anderson Silva and you had Nemcov Bait or Silva, Romero, Rumbel, Johnson, Machida,

934
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: Phil Davis Busasi. You're telling me this couldn't have especially

935
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: with light heavyweight in the UFC being down from a

936
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 2: star point standpoint at the moment, not from a good fighter,

937
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: but star point. You're telling me that wouldn't have the

938
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: same impact that that great announcement of the Strikeforce Heavyweight

939
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 2: Grand Prix. And that's considering by the way Daniel Cormier

940
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: wasn't a part of that, and our hope was that

941
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 2: we would get like overe In Fad or that was

942
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: big at that time. You're telling me this wouldn't be

943
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: as big. Look it would be.

944
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: It would be bro yes, but you would have to know.

945
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: And we work for CBS. But I just feel like,

946
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: if you're gonna make that kind of a tournament with

947
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: these kinds of names, it's got to go on Showtime

948
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: or Big CBS. I don't know that it's the necessarily

949
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: the right fit.

950
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 2: I know you lean on this a lot as an argument.

951
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: They're not gonna put it on CBS Sports Network on

952
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: of Thursday night. Them are tenth pole events. Okay, Uncle

953
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 2: Scott knows what he's doing, all right, all.

954
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: Right, all right? In that sense, yes, that's the thing.

955
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: You could do, absolutely no doubt about it. So you

956
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: gotta love the signing for Bellator. I mean, there's and

957
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: if you're one of these guys b s at this

958
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: point now right with all the names we've listed and

959
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: we didn't even mention Liam mcgeary and blah blah blah,

960
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: if you're one of those guys, you're like, Okay, there's

961
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of good fights for me, tournament or no tournament.

962
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: I don't have like one fight I could chase and

963
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: then I'm fighting, you know, Schlubber McGhee and Apple sauce.

964
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: Fuck face, do you know the last the rest of

965
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: the year. You have legitimate names people can care about

966
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: the entire way. And if you're wel Romero, you don't

967
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: have to worry about making weight. You don't have to

968
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: worry about making weight.

969
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,479
Speaker 2: Luke, Lukie. Let's take making weight a little bit further.

970
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: Do you have to worry about the same level of

971
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: drug testing either?

972
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: Uh? You know my view on the hook, you know,

973
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, you know, I don't give a shit.

974
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: I don't care at all. It does nothing for me,

975
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: so uh, you know, take them down.

976
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 2: And by the way, just for full disclosure, because we

977
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: are always honest. I'm not getting this excited because we're ViacomCBS,

978
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 2: we own bellatour showtime, CBA like all that, so yah,

979
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: you know it doesn't hurt. I'm I'm a fan of

980
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: carnival shit.

981
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: We know that.

982
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: I love putting old star names together. I love making

983
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: fun stuff. I want a world where UFC has competitors

984
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: that are fun that give you a reason to want

985
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 2: to go out of your way to see it. I

986
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 2: love to me some Strikeforce, I have loved Belatour at

987
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: different points. I'm cheering from this from that standpoint, Luke,

988
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 2: because I think there's still life to be made in

989
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 2: some of these names, and if you match them again.

990
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 2: I mean, look that Heavyweight Grand Prix, not the Strikeforce one.

991
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: How about even the belatar one. It was fun. It

992
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: wasn't the best you had old chair and ship, but

993
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: it was fun, Luke.

994
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: Okay, no, no, listen, the UFC is going to have

995
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: the majority of the best fighters, which means, you know,

996
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: in all likelihood they're gonna have the majority of the

997
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: best fights. But if you're a real fight fan, there's

998
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: plenty of good fights to have. Forget you have see

999
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: in Belatore all across the world, but yes, especially in

1000
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: Belatore as well. You know, I'm not the biggest fan

1001
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: of staying up late to watch Honey Marks fight. I'll

1002
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: just want to be honest about that. But staying up

1003
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: late to watch you know now who's now running apparently,

1004
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: which I didn't know, But staying up late to watch

1005
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: these guys like thinking about the possibilities there. These are

1006
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 1: fighters that can compete at a high level and in

1007
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: a weight class accommodating of their size at this stage

1008
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: in their career. What is not to like about that?

1009
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: So we'll see how things go. But Belatore's cooking with

1010
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: gas at two hundred and five pounds. All right, BC,

1011
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: Let's get back to our rundown if we can, and

1012
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: let's go now to boxing. Anthony Joshua defeats Kubrot Poulev

1013
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: in the ninth round with what I would call a

1014
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: good performance, not super great, but very good. Good, I'm

1015
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: very solid. Okay, BC. What did you learn about Anthony

1016
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: Joshua from Saturday's fight?

1017
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, not to double on the points I made in

1018
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 2: the analysis, but I tried to keep those short and sweet.

1019
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 2: I learned that this is who he is, and who

1020
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 2: he is meaning a guy who learned from the defeat

1021
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: to Andy Ruiz the first time around, learned that if

1022
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: you overextend with a chin that is not rock solid,

1023
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: you can get caught super heavyweight era. I think he

1024
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 2: learned effectively from that scare. Some fighters are never the same.

1025
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: Some instead put that little nugget in the back of

1026
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: their head of warning. And fear, and sometimes they change

1027
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: their style a little bit. Vladimir Klitschko the second half

1028
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 2: of his career was all about safety and defense and

1029
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: I didn't love it entertaining wise, but Luke, he made

1030
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: a hell of a lot of money and he almost

1031
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 2: set the damn record for heavyweight title defenses. He had

1032
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 2: something like twenty two of them. So you can go

1033
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 2: a long way learning from the hard lessons you have

1034
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 2: to learn in this division to still stay on top

1035
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 2: and in look, Lennox Lewis probably did it the best.

1036
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: We see him starch twice, but he learned how to

1037
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 2: come back from that alter style of bit. Emmanuel Stewart

1038
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 2: in his corner was a big part of that who

1039
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 2: also helped cklitch go and he figured it out. Anthony Joshua,

1040
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: I believe will figure it out. And I think this

1041
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 2: was the rightful first step. I say first step because

1042
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: the rematch with Ruiz, he wasn't that confident. I mean,

1043
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 2: he won, it was clear, but he was safe. He

1044
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 2: didn't want to mix it up in this fight.

1045
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: Luke.

1046
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 2: He mixed it up when it made sense to Kubra

1047
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: Pulev was never really in this fight from an offensive standpoint,

1048
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 2: but defensively and from toughness and caginess. He was there

1049
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: the whole time. And that's the reason why Anthony couldn't

1050
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: walk him down like he did in round three when

1051
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 2: he had him hurt, and get him out of there

1052
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: in rounds four, five, six, and seven. And if you

1053
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: want that out of him, you got to reconfigure who

1054
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: you think Anthony Joshua is. He's not just vulnerable from

1055
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 2: the Ruiz fight, right. He got dropped against Klitschko when

1056
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 2: he ran out of gas, he got hurt really bad

1057
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 2: against Dillian White. Other people have done things to him.

1058
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 2: His ability to wear it on his sleeve is part

1059
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: of why we love watching him. But he ain't perfect,

1060
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: but the things he does very well. You cannot find

1061
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: that in the heavyweight division that's strong and athletic, who

1062
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: can finish you with both hands, who also can outbox you.

1063
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 2: At worst, Luke, you're looking out the second best heavyweight

1064
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 2: in the world. So there's really not a lot negative

1065
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say about this. You could come in here

1066
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: with the argument that maybe this knockout should have come

1067
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 2: in round five rather than round nine or ten, but

1068
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you to sit in there with Kubra Pulev,

1069
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: who can very credibly land right hand countershots and say that,

1070
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 2: you know to yourself if you've been knocked out before.

1071
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 2: He's figured out this is the half safe, half dangerous model,

1072
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 2: and I think it's gonna be who he is moving forward.

1073
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: Luke, Yeah, I mean, here is my read on this.

1074
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: I actually feel like he split the difference between the

1075
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: second Ruiz fight and you know, I'm qu quite the

1076
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: Clitchko fight, but at least the general tenor of how

1077
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: he once competed before losing to Andy Ruiz, which is

1078
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: to say, there were times when you could tell he

1079
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: was willing to press on the gas and that was

1080
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: when he found openings and it was a little bit

1081
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: safer to do so. But there was still a degree

1082
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: of not wildness, but you know, offensive minded, focused on

1083
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: finishing right. He wasn't just content to hurt you and

1084
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: then still lay back if he had hurt you. He

1085
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: was looking to get the show closed. He was just

1086
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: willing to take his time to hurt you rather than

1087
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: sort of forcing it in the way that he did before.

1088
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: In many ways, this was one of his more mature performances.

1089
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: I actually liked what I saw in the sense of

1090
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: you still got remnants of the old AJ, with acknowledgments

1091
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: that AJ has a lot to lose if he, in

1092
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: fact he ever did lose again, and that's not a

1093
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: path he really wants to go down, especially not against

1094
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: a Kubrat Poulv. If it happened against a Wilder or

1095
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: a Fury, biggest fight in British boxing history, some might say,

1096
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: certainly at heavyweight, then okay, it's a little bit more forgivable,

1097
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: but you can't do it in a mandatory that's the

1098
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: place that's just it's not allowed. So I actually sort

1099
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: of liked what we saw there in many ways, certainly

1100
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: more preferable to the second release fight. Here's what I

1101
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: come away from though, BC you mentioned that worse the

1102
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: second best heavyweight. See, I'm still not so sure about that.

1103
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: I mean, let me explain what I mean. Is there

1104
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: any denial that he is a better boxer than Deontay Wilder,

1105
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. If he fought Deontay Wilder, is

1106
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,959
Speaker 1: there a perfectly reasonable case to believe that he would

1107
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: win if they thought ten times, maybe seven eight of

1108
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: those times? Yes, In fact, I do I think he

1109
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: is that much better than I don't know.

1110
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 2: I mean, look, wild there's gonna have a puncher's chance

1111
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 2: against everyone Joshua included. Yeah, I'd favorite Joshua, but that's

1112
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 2: still a tough fight. My whole point was outside of that.

1113
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 2: In Fury, I mean, who are you gonna favor of?

1114
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: From okay, So yes, in that sense, I just wanted

1115
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: to be clear. I didn't see anything in this fight

1116
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: as as measured and in control and yet fun in

1117
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: that third and ninth round, I didn't see anything from

1118
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: Joshua that told me A, he's gonna beat Fury or

1119
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 1: b that the way in which I felt he matched

1120
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: up with Wilder previously is now different. Now Again, that

1121
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he can't win in either case, per se.

1122
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: I mean with wild with Fury, I'm skeptically, skeptically gonna win,

1123
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: but it is possible. With Wilder. You might say he's

1124
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: a better boxer by a mile, but that may not

1125
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: matter in the end because of Wilder's power. So in

1126
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: that sense, nothing really changed for me in that way.

1127
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: I didn't come across like thinking his stock had gone up.

1128
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: What I did see, though, was he's not haunted by

1129
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: the demons of the first Ruiz fight BC, he is

1130
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: impacted by them, but not in a way that makes

1131
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: him less enjoyable to watch overall, right.

1132
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,439
Speaker 2: But he's always gonna be vulnerable, Like if he fights

1133
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 2: Dillian White in a rematch, he'll be There's chances he's

1134
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 2: gonna be vulnerable there, right, you know, like he's always

1135
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 2: gonna be If he fights Luis Ortiz, he'll probably win,

1136
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 2: but there's gonna be moments where you're like, oh, oh God,

1137
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 2: that's who he is.

1138
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: Let's not.

1139
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: I mean, we got to embrace that.

1140
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 1: Now, right, Okay, So with that being said, it gets

1141
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: to point number four, which I want to jump to.

1142
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: Does this mean BC that Tyson Fury, who made a

1143
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: video on social media declaring that he had no other

1144
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: choice and want or need in the world than to

1145
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: fight Anthony Joshua, Is that the next fight that is

1146
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: going to get made for both men?

1147
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 2: Uh No, they they're all talking a big game right now,

1148
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: and I like that. I like the confidence that everyone's

1149
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 2: talk about. Bob Aram tweeted or putting out there with

1150
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 2: Sports Illustrated that you know, the framework of a deal

1151
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 2: has already said Eddie says, let's try to make it

1152
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 2: next everybody you know, even Joshua, I know you kind

1153
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: of rightfully criticized him when he was a little bit noncommittal,

1154
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 2: but he didn't say he didn't want the fight. He's like, hey,

1155
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 2: if that's the fan with the fans want and that's

1156
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: the next fight, that.

1157
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: Makes such a bullshit answer.

1158
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: It's not what I'm looking for, Luke. It's certainly not,

1159
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 2: but it's not avoiding it. Okay, he said, if it's

1160
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 2: Tyson Fury that's next, it's Tyson Fury that is next.

1161
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: He's making it sound like he's making it sound like

1162
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 1: Tyson Fury is but one egg in the carton of

1163
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: a dozen eggs. They're all the same eggs. There's a

1164
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: reason not the same eggs.

1165
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: The reason why he's trying to do that because the

1166
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 2: negotiation financially, Luke, is the big battle for these guys.

1167
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: I understand. But then Tyson Fury goes out and makes

1168
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,439
Speaker 1: it unequivocal, which is so much more thrilling, so much

1169
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: more interesting, and so much more fun. That should be

1170
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 1: acknowledged to.

1171
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 2: All Right, let's talk Turkey. Joshua's got one more mandatory

1172
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 2: against Alexander Usik. It's been due for a while. Usik

1173
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 2: has said that he doesn't want to step aside. Also,

1174
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 2: Fury's got a mandatory which is supposed to be Dillian White,

1175
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 2: but he got knocked out by Povetkin. Supposedly they're going

1176
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: to have a rematch soon. It was supposed to be

1177
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 2: in December, it got moved. That'll produce a mandatory challenger.

1178
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 2: How do you get around the mandatories and boxing, Luke,

1179
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 2: You either pay them millions to step aside, or you

1180
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 2: give up the title and say, if your title, this

1181
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 2: super fight that I want right now is bigger anyway,

1182
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: I don't need it. I do not think you can

1183
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 2: f your title at the moment because of how long

1184
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 2: and how rare it is to have a real undisputed champion.

1185
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 2: We've had three belt undisputed champions back when those three

1186
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 2: belts were the only ones that mattered. In the late

1187
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 2: nineties right early two thousands, we had Lennox, Lewix, Evander Holyfield,

1188
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: et cetera. Vladimir Klitschko was a three belt champion, the

1189
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 2: recognized champion in the four belt era, but there was

1190
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 2: always that extra belt floating around to European guys you

1191
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 2: never heard of. The reality is the best thing that

1192
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: could ever happen for the sport is that the freaking

1193
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 2: heavyweight division has one name, one face, one champion, no

1194
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: questions asked, Not this lineal crap or oh well he

1195
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 2: technically he's the WBA regular. No, no, we want one champion.

1196
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 2: I don't think you can give up the belts here.

1197
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 2: This fight is so freaking big right now? How big

1198
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 2: is this fight? It's the biggest you can make in

1199
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 2: boxing that doesn't include some type of carnival logan Paul

1200
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 2: Flood may whether Connor McGregor type bs okay Connor McGregor

1201
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 2: versus Manny Pacuil, probably bigger in the end in terms

1202
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 2: of actual boxing, biggest fight you can make in Britain,

1203
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 2: where they are their fan base is a thousand times

1204
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 2: better than in the US for boxing. This is the

1205
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 2: biggest fight in British history. I mean it would do

1206
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 2: a stadium filled with as many people a couple hundred

1207
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: if you can put in there, right it's that freaking big,

1208
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 2: So Luke, short of just each guy taking their mandatory

1209
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 2: fights this spring, which are by far not a gimme

1210
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 2: for either man, I mean Alexander Russik might be the

1211
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 2: Boogeyman in the end of this division if he can

1212
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 2: do you know the type of boxing he did at cruiserweight.

1213
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to see it first to believe it.

1214
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 2: But maybe you pay them both. Maybe you say that

1215
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 2: post COVID if we get there, and hopefully doctor Luke

1216
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 2: Fauci mailed you your vaccine today, Luke's Luke. If we

1217
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 2: can get there, there may be so much money at

1218
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 2: stake that you can pay either guy a good amount

1219
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 2: of millions to step aside and tell them, Look, it's

1220
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 2: going to be better for you to fight me after

1221
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 2: I fight Joshua or Fury. I don't know, but in

1222
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, before the fight, I said hopefully by

1223
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 2: the end of the year, maybe early twenty twenty two.

1224
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 2: You laughed at me, seeing everybody this in on it.

1225
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 2: Right now, Luke leads me to believe that second half

1226
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty one, we're gonna see this and will

1227
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: it be next I still can say no until I

1228
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 2: know that everyone's gonna play ball, take their money, sit home,

1229
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 2: and allow this to happen where as close as we've

1230
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 2: ever been. Hopefully they learned from the theatrics and the

1231
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 2: stupidness of not making Wilder against Joshua for that two

1232
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 2: year period that it was so damn viable. Let's do this, Luke.

1233
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 2: This is a freaking great fight, And I think the

1234
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 2: argument shouldn't be is aj two say for is he

1235
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 2: not the same? He's not the same? Okay? The argument

1236
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 2: should be what did that fight against Poulev due to

1237
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 2: your expectations of what it will look like when he

1238
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 2: does fight Fury. That's the art. That's the question I

1239
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 2: want you to answer.

1240
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it didn't tell me much in the

1241
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: sense of who I thought would win and not win.

1242
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the interesting part to me about this.

1243
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: I don't have much to add to what you added.

1244
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: You kind of just laid out the situation for folks.

1245
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:15,919
Speaker 1: There's mandatories. Either they're gonna pay him to step aside

1246
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: or they gotta do the mandatories. Dropping the bells doesn't

1247
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: make a whole lot of sense given what the fight

1248
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: could represent if they got them all together. Blah blah blah.

1249
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: And also, by the way, Usik might end up beating Joshua,

1250
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:25,919
Speaker 1: that's not the I mean, I don't know that he would,

1251
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: but it's not the craziest thought The only thing I

1252
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: would add is and this is what I really it

1253
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: really gets to me about defending Joshua's attitude. I get it,

1254
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: like if your Joshua's manager, that you want him to

1255
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: act the way he did when he was talking to

1256
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: the press after the fight. But you know what I get,

1257
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: you know what the sense is and the difference between

1258
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: him and Fury. Joshua even had this message that went

1259
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: on the big board before he made his walk out

1260
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: about I'm so glad folks are at Wembley, which by

1261
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: the way, was just a Covid Petri dish that night.

1262
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: I mean, my lord, but okay, you know. And then

1263
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: the first thing afterwards is like you asked the fan,

1264
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: like he wants to have this relationship where he's together

1265
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: with the fans and everyone's enjoying the moment. He kept saying, oh,

1266
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: everyone has a great time here Wembley and watching at home.

1267
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: Really almost like the maitre d of the evening, hoping

1268
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: that everyone at the dinner party is or the dinner

1269
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: itself is having a good time, whereas Fury is different.

1270
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: Fury says, no, no, no, no, I'm together with the fans,

1271
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: but it's not just us sniffing our own farts. It's

1272
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: us together against you, and that's what Fury never. Excuse me,

1273
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: that's what Joshua never does. He never takes that moment

1274
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: and then pivots it. You know, Fury's the guy that

1275
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: shows up with a big gang, except the big gangs

1276
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: all got baseball bats and they're ready to scrap on

1277
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: behalf of Fury. Joshua just wants to have a dinner

1278
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: party where everyone's getting together. And you know, you can't

1279
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: walk through the front door if you're not willing to

1280
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: just be a part of that experience. I love Fury's

1281
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: attitude a lot better.

1282
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 2: Yes, in theory, yes, I don't want to be an

1283
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 2: aj apologist because he didn't make the Wilder fight when

1284
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 2: it was able to happen. And again, there was so

1285
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 2: much soap opera bullshit in that that it's really hard

1286
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 2: to know who was telling the truth and who wasn't.

1287
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 2: But you mentioned Aj the may or d I mean

1288
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 2: he has fought three to four times in front of

1289
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 2: crowds between eighty and ninety thousand, in which he came

1290
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 2: out Luke to a giant a and a j behind

1291
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 2: him that was lit on fire and he came up

1292
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 2: on a ramp like a rock star, so he does

1293
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 2: have a certain connection to fans in sort of almost

1294
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 2: making boxing like like a concert. So I guess I

1295
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 2: can defend that. You want him to say the name, Okay,

1296
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 2: say the damn name. He said the damn name. Look, okay,

1297
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 2: we gotta make this damn fight already. Oh my god,

1298
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 2: this is a big ass fight. And for everyone that's saying, look,

1299
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 2: you know, at the end of the day, I'm gonna

1300
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 2: pick Tyson Fury to be AJ because from the beginning,

1301
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 2: I'm telling you Tyson Fury is the generational heavyweight of

1302
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 2: this era. But I don't think this Pooh lev performance

1303
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 2: took me out of that anymore. In terms of AJ's chances, Look,

1304
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 2: he's gonna have a great chance to win that fight.

1305
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 2: Like Tyson Fury is not immune to getting hit and

1306
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 2: getting hurt, and AJ's six foot s and jacked with

1307
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 2: quick hands, he can hurt Tyson Fury. You certainly want

1308
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 2: to favor Fury to out box him. I don't. I

1309
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 2: don't believe we can look at who Fury was in

1310
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 2: that second Wilder fight and believe that that's a scenario

1311
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 2: that's gonna keep happening. He fought a great game plan.

1312
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 2: Wilder was not there that night, and it was a

1313
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 2: beautiful stoppage. But that's not gonna be what's happening every

1314
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 2: single fight. So it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be

1315
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 2: fun to get there real quick, Luke. We held Deontay

1316
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 2: Wilder over the damn coles for all the excuses he made.

1317
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw an interview that Alexander

1318
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 2: Usik did in Russian in which he came out and

1319
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 2: said he believes Derek Chasura was wearing loaded gloves in

1320
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 2: that fight with him. He believes the referee was against him,

1321
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 2: and he's also calling out the commission in England for

1322
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 2: having very loose ropes. And Ustik won the fight, so

1323
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 2: he's not making excuses as to losing it, but maybe

1324
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 2: into why it was that close. Should we be publicly

1325
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 2: taking a taking a deuce on this guy?

1326
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: Oh?

1327
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 2: Is it because we like him more?

1328
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: Luke?

1329
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:56,439
Speaker 2: Because he's white?

1330
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: Don't criticize him?

1331
01:00:58,360 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 2: I mean what you know?

1332
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean if you if you you know, if

1333
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: you're the guy who wins all the belts in your

1334
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: weight class and then you have there's nothing left for you,

1335
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: and you move up and you win against the guy

1336
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: who you're complaining against, you know, people are gonna be

1337
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: pretty favorable towards you. I don't know, I'd have to

1338
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: think about that one for a second. That's an interesting case.

1339
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 1: But he's definitely like and I liked Fury before because

1340
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: I liked Wilder before the second Fury fight, but then

1341
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: afterwards it was just like, you know, lasting on this

1342
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: on Fury though, you know, yes, can a J knock

1343
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: him out? Of course a J can knock anybody out,

1344
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: But like, if he needs to fight safe like he

1345
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: did against Clitchkow, Fury can. And if Wilder couldn't put

1346
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: him down with that punch in the twelfth round or

1347
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: whatever round it was eleventh, the twelfth round in the

1348
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: first fight, Josh will really stand a chance. Maybe maybe

1349
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: he's a little bit more concerned with and you know,

1350
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: strategic with his approach, but I tend to like Fury's

1351
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: chances pretty significantly in that fight. Oh yeah, yeah, all right,

1352
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: last but not least. Tons of other standouts from the weekend,

1353
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: including on UFC two fifty six BC. I would love

1354
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: to know who you thought else deserves a shout let

1355
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: me guess back to the boxing card, it's Chewy Fury. No.

1356
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 2: No, that was a little bit of a extra sloppy

1357
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 2: there in the lunch room with Marty Slack. Let's completely

1358
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 2: stay at UFC two fifty six here, Luke, because there

1359
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 2: were so many other standouts. I mean, let's talk about it.

1360
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 2: Kevin Hyland had the year of almost all years for

1361
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 2: somebody who didn't fight for a title. I mean, he's

1362
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 2: legitimately in your Fighter of the Year at least discussion

1363
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 2: area for what he did and his ability to not

1364
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 2: only manhandle and finish Jockaray in such stunning fashion was

1365
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 2: was mind blowing given the ridiculous confidence he shows, but

1366
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 2: the unique way he did it basically off his back, Luke,

1367
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 2: is this guy special or is he just a loud

1368
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 2: mouth on a wind streak. I mean, there was something

1369
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 2: that jumped through my screen that was like, I don't

1370
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 2: think I can. You know, like when a guy's rising,

1371
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 2: you're sort of like, all right, let's wait and see.

1372
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 2: But in the back of your mind a lot of

1373
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 2: times you're saying, I don't believe I don't believe it

1374
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 2: till I see I don't know what to believe anymore

1375
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 2: after this performance. Yeah, Josh Rayse forty one, but he

1376
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 2: was supposed to be that Hoska would that was gonna

1377
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 2: make it really hard for Holland to win this and

1378
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 2: look great doing it.

1379
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 1: Luke.

1380
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 2: He won it, he looked great doing it, and now

1381
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 2: he's calling out comes out to fight him tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1382
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 2: inject to me, please please, Luke, please.

1383
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: That was pretty damn impressive. That guy can find offense

1384
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: virtually everywhere as you brush your teeth like a weirdo

1385
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: with your finger. Is that how you brush it at night? Too?

1386
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 3: Whoo?

1387
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 2: I had to rubed out of my gums for a second, Luke,

1388
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 2: I mean, are you kidding me? Imagine if they had

1389
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 2: the balls to do that. Yeah, next week, Holland U jimaia,

1390
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 2: if we'll find out who's the best damp young stud

1391
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 2: in this game. I mean, come on, that's a ballsy

1392
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 2: call out. I know he's telling the guy to come

1393
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 2: up and wait a bit, but that's a ballsy call out, Luke.

1394
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: Certainly is I'm gonna point to and that you may

1395
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 1: get to it and have you seen this shit? So

1396
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: I won't I won't believer the point, but you know

1397
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ways you could go. You go,

1398
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: Cup Swanson doing amazing stuff, but a roughhe elf is IFBC,

1399
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 1: I'll make it fast. He is shorter than most of

1400
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: these guys at lightweight, he is less reached than most

1401
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: of these guys at lightweight, and he is just knocking fool. Well,

1402
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: he didn't knock out Mark J. Casey, but he beat

1403
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: him and here agains. Not so Moykano, My god, he

1404
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: went high low, side to side and then changed rhythm

1405
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: through the course of the distance, closing in the combination,

1406
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: and then sent this dude to the land of wind

1407
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: and ghosts. Now was the stoppage all that great?

1408
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 2: No?

1409
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: I think it's forgivable based on the way that Moi

1410
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: Kano landed with his head bounced off the canvas and

1411
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: the hands kind of came up a little bit. Chris,

1412
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: Aoni's doing his best job, not the cleanest stoppage. I

1413
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: understand what Kano if he's upset about it. Still, at

1414
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: the same time, BC just talking about Zaiah. They got

1415
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: to stop. They gotta stop striking with this guy for

1416
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: right now. Maybe the elite guys can handle him like that,

1417
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, But the rest of these dogs at

1418
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: this level as he climbs the ranks, get on the

1419
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: wrestling shoes when you're on the matt training for this, dude,

1420
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: because it will go poorly for you if you stand

1421
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: too long. Dude.

1422
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 2: I need the hat, I need the T shirt, I

1423
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 2: need the action figure. Like I'm ready to just like

1424
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 2: shamelessly jump on board here because that I mean, if

1425
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 2: it had come against any donk, it's still impressive, Luke,

1426
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 2: we would tell me here, tell me if this's wrong.

1427
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 2: About three minutes, two minutes before that knockout, the narrative

1428
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 2: really was, Oh my god, Moi Kano at lightweight is

1429
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 2: pretty freaking damn good. Yeah, he's got the weird touchy

1430
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 2: feely neck tap, but uh, maybe you can start in

1431
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 2: mister Faber's second weed thriller. But like, this guy's really

1432
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 2: good and responsible and unique and creative. And I actually

1433
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 2: liked early on how Moikana was kind of no selling

1434
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 2: these wild strikes that are flying by his head and

1435
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 2: staying poised. Uh, you can't stay poised cooking in this

1436
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 2: man's kitchen for too long, Luke. He's gonna shove the

1437
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 2: food in your mouth, all right. He's gonna push it

1438
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 2: down your throat. Wow, what do you, Luke? What a

1439
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 2: freaking year?

1440
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: Right?

1441
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 2: You know, the MVPs of this year in MMA are

1442
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 2: gonna be all data on COVID and all that. But

1443
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 2: in a year that should have been awful, and the

1444
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 2: sport of boxing obviously did not produce.

1445
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 1: A great year. Right.

1446
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 2: We saw very few really big fights. It was hard

1447
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,919
Speaker 2: to keep the thing on the damn train. The best

1448
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 2: thing UFC has done for us all year, even separate

1449
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 2: from the Flyway Division, was give opportunity to these itchy

1450
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 2: guys who were willing to fight four or five times

1451
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 2: and prove that they're next. I feel like every week

1452
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 2: we find another one. We almost had another one with

1453
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 2: Billy Q, but he lost this time. I mean it's

1454
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 2: like every week there's another person jumping out. That's fun, Luke.

1455
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 2: That's why you can cut old rich guys who are

1456
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 2: on the way out right, because you got these young

1457
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 2: studs coming right now.

1458
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: I mean it goes back to the JDS, and we

1459
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: didn't talk about it against Ceil Gone and then Jacqaray.

1460
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: It's like, are those two more expensive than Cyril Gone

1461
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 1: and Kevin Holland? Yeah? Probably, But Kevin Holland and Cyril

1462
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 1: Gon just stopped him both with strikes. So this argument

1463
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: that the Contender series guys are cheaper and that's who

1464
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,959
Speaker 1: they want, it's like, well, sort of, but that doesn't

1465
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: mean what you think it means. All right. With that

1466
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 1: in mind, we see it's time for you and I

1467
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: to stop asking each other questions. It's time to get

1468
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: to the folks who ask us questions, the donks out there.

1469
01:06:52,240 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: It's time for dms from doncs no animation, all right, BC,

1470
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: someone has a question for us here from Teaper Ramsey

1471
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: hypothesis American wrestling is overrated? What does that even mean?

1472
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: Evidence Habib greater than Justin Olivera, than Tony Olivera, of

1473
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 1: course is Brazilian Anderson Chail.

1474
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, can be in Brazilian. They're trying to say that

1475
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 2: all these American wrestling stars got dominated by non Americans.

1476
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but it's from the domination of American

1477
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: wrestling affecting best practices. The argument is absurd.

1478
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 2: Are you saying it's promotional malpractice?

1479
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: In the case of Habib, there's a rooted tradition in

1480
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 1: that part of the world to have their own wrestling,

1481
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 1: so that's a little bit different and they do have

1482
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: a slightly different game that those guys play, particularly as

1483
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: a release to the fence line. But in the case

1484
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 1: of like the general level of wrestling overall, if you

1485
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 1: watched MMA ten years ago, it was all Americans just

1486
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: dominating with this shit. Now the best practices have gotten

1487
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: out there, and as a consequence, you're seeing Europeans who

1488
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 1: can wrestle quite well and blah blah blah. But like, like,

1489
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: not only is American wrestling not overrated, it's not as

1490
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: dominant as it once was, but it's one of the

1491
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 1: most important contributions to mixed martial arts ever.

1492
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 2: So you're saying it was just a matter of time,

1493
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 2: right with with like international basketball catching up with the

1494
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 2: US in two thousand and two, it's just a matter

1495
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:24,799
Speaker 2: of time. Exactly who's the best female mm A wrestler

1496
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 2: in the game today, I don't know offhand what that

1497
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 2: answer is.

1498
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:33,600
Speaker 1: Would it be Sarah McMahon really silver medalists in the

1499
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: fucking Olympics?

1500
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 2: Like yeah, Well, I'm saying in terms of their ability

1501
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 2: to bring it to the cage and be at that

1502
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 2: at that high high level, like we say, like GSP,

1503
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 2: you know, Habib, two of the greatest you know, m

1504
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 2: m a wrestlers.

1505
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:51,719
Speaker 1: We've ever that's a cyborg is up there. She's pretty

1506
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: good when she wants it. Let me think about that's

1507
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 1: a tough one. That's actually, you know, just pure like

1508
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 1: Carlos Onrodge's decent takedowns. Right, she can knock you out

1509
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: with her takedowns.

1510
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 2: That's true.

1511
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's a great question. It's a really

1512
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:10,600
Speaker 1: good one. Goodelia has got good takedowns.

1513
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 2: Well, visit it in the future, Luke.

1514
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, very good. Misha.

1515
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 2: Hey do you see do you see Misha takedown? Tate

1516
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:19,600
Speaker 2: is training again at Coutures.

1517
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 1: Uh, guess she still work for one.

1518
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. She she didn't announce like I'm coming back to

1519
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 2: fight or anything, but she announced on Instagram that she's

1520
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 2: like back training again, and so it's interesting.

1521
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: She's only she moved back from Singapore. What happened.

1522
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 2: I don't know the situation, but I have read the

1523
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 2: bloody Elbow report on tree in one.

1524
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 1: Luke. Not awesome. You know what you see? They figured

1525
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 1: out way cutting, so everything's fine.

1526
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 2: I mean every claim they've ever made probably not true, Luke,

1527
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 2: Probably not true.

1528
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably probably all right. At Cody dot Tafoya has

1529
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: head trop Oh, you gotta be fucking kidding stupid.

1530
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,560
Speaker 2: As god dad, you thought Luke had long winded you.

1531
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,879
Speaker 2: Sawa takes here, we go, Here, we go go ahead, linguist,

1532
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 2: go ahead.

1533
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 1: No, no, you can go first. Asphace has head trauma

1534
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: caused Brian Campbell to be a shithead. I don't know

1535
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: if it's a head trauma, but I'm.

1536
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 2: Really taking a lot of head trauma on my life.

1537
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 1: Luke, all right, yeah, take listen. I actually was very

1538
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:21,640
Speaker 1: nice about this yesterday. You can be mean, but the

1539
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 1: interest of helping people understand this, there is no controversy

1540
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 1: around her accent. I suspect that there are a lot

1541
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 1: of people who don't know others who are dealing with

1542
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 1: various complications that come from language immersion, either try to

1543
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: learn another language in another country, or having proficiency in

1544
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 1: different languages but having one of them impacted by the

1545
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 1: social circle you keep, which could be the way in

1546
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 1: which you utter words for their length into nation. Blah

1547
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 1: blah blah. I tweeted out a couple of scholarly articles

1548
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 1: about this yesterday. It's actually called language accommodation, and there's

1549
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 1: two kinds called convergence and divergence. She has all the

1550
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 1: convergence of language accommodation. This is a well documented phenomenon.

1551
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: It can even happen between native speakers, like for example,

1552
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 1: they talked about Megan Markle, who was married to was

1553
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 1: a Harry what the former prince? Where the fuck her

1554
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 1: name is? And she is from California obviously, and then

1555
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 1: she has spent so much time in England she was

1556
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:20,719
Speaker 1: changing the way in which she was pronouncing American.

1557
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 2: But it happens over time. In those situations, I think

1558
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 2: people are in making the assumption that it happened so

1559
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 2: fast that she went from zero to one hundred.

1560
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 1: It didn't happen fast. The videos, the best videos that

1561
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 1: they have showing this is a minimum of several years.

1562
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: I mean, my fate, Oh he's not anymore, but for

1563
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: a time. One of my favorite bloggers, back when blogging

1564
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 1: was the thing in the AUS, was Andrew Sullivan. And

1565
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 1: this is a guy who grew up and spent the

1566
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,759
Speaker 1: majority of his life up to that point in England.

1567
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: He was British. If you listen to him now, his

1568
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 1: accent is virtually gone. I understand what we're talking about here.

1569
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: You're talking about a long period of time, okay, but

1570
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 1: I'm talking about a massive change in the way that

1571
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,759
Speaker 1: somebody speaks, where they go from sounding British to almost

1572
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 1: entirely American again, and by the way, this will be

1573
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 1: different depending on Some languages have greater accommodation than others.

1574
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 1: Some social circles force it. But this is just a

1575
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 1: function of the fact that she largely lives in a world,

1576
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: in an English speaking world generally, but she has her

1577
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 1: entire social circle as a function of Portuguese, and so

1578
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,640
Speaker 1: when she goes back to English, she is going to

1579
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 1: have some adaptations relate to the way that all of

1580
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 1: them speak English given their Portuguese background. It is not

1581
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 1: a put on, It is not an act, It is

1582
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 1: not a scandal. It is a well documented phenomenon. You

1583
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 1: all got to cut off fucking break.

1584
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna try to act as arrogant as the

1585
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 2: people who make the joke all the time of this.

1586
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 2: But it did seem like it happened overnight, and it

1587
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 2: was so much of it. It didn't seem like it

1588
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 2: happened naturally, Luke. It felt like it happened like I

1589
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 2: am purposely trying to show you that I am real

1590
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 2: and authentic. My dad is from here, so I will

1591
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 2: you know, like, no, I don't know, Okay, hey luke, gosh,

1592
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 2: she didn't. She didn't. She didn't really win that fight though, right,

1593
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 2: I know she was. She was fighting female hermes from

1594
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 2: but she did. You know, she didn't look like she won.

1595
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:04,679
Speaker 1: That fight sort of. I mean I wouldn't have. I didn't.

1596
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 1: I didn't think anyone put their stamp on it. But

1597
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 1: I will say this, I wasn't overblown by her stand up.

1598
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 1: Mackenzie's like it's pretty simple. You know, she doesn't like

1599
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 1: she shouldn't have a lot of weapons like Charles Lavera's

1600
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 1: got a lot of weapons just standing forget about the ground,

1601
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 1: you know.

1602
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 2: But uh, I mean she got it out. But this

1603
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 2: fight makes me believe that her run as a you know,

1604
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 2: a title contender is farther away than shorter term.

1605
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 1: Yes, I would agree with that. I mean she you know,

1606
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 1: several hurdles for someone transitioning from jiu jitsu to MMA,

1607
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: and one of the miss can you get comfortable striking? Okay,

1608
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 1: She's definitely comfortable striking. I don't think you could take

1609
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,719
Speaker 1: that away from her. But is she like super well skilled.

1610
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 1: It's pretty meat and potatoes, you know, and when you

1611
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 1: consider how advanced her grappling is, it's not you know,

1612
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 1: there's a massive divergence, all right, b c U at

1613
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 1: Pastor Blynn. Is Tony's lack of perceived structure as you

1614
01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 1: read your phone around his training just.

1615
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 2: Freaking news, dude. I'm checking to see if there's more

1616
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 2: of it. But it was just it was just Romero's

1617
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 2: managers confirming the news.

1618
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 1: Okay, happens. You're just you're just looking at tiktoks of

1619
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 1: women dancing, all right? Is Tony's lack of perceived structure

1620
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: around his training starting to contribute to his decline and performance?

1621
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,680
Speaker 1: Is it time BC to maybe look at appointing a

1622
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 1: head coach and not have such a randomized training schedule.

1623
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 2: It wouldn't be a bad time. Is it necessary? I

1624
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 2: don't know. It depends on how Tony can regroup, recharge,

1625
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 2: figure this out. But when you are unorthodox for so long, Luke,

1626
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 2: and you begin to naturally slow and decline, think Roy

1627
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 2: Jones Junior. You may you know, to be unorthodox, you

1628
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 2: typically have to be a great athlete or be a slugger. Right,

1629
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 2: Usually it's it's I'm a great athlete, so I can

1630
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 2: break the rules. I can do wild things and stuff.

1631
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 2: It's gonna be harder to pull that off when you're

1632
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:56,440
Speaker 2: slowing down. So if that's the case, adding more structure,

1633
01:14:56,520 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 2: more tradition, uh could could could help the law term here.

1634
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 2: But Tony not gonna do that. This is Tony, right,

1635
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 2: He's gonna go down and Luke, he will he will

1636
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 2: burn out before he fades away, right.

1637
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 1: I just feel like if you got a coach in there,

1638
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 1: I mean maybe on some level, if the coach had

1639
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:20,560
Speaker 1: a real, uh, you know, a minimal amount of influence

1640
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 1: about something very specific, like there's one little thing they

1641
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 1: want you to work on, could that be helpful? Yeah,

1642
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 1: I think that could. But some guy come in there

1643
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,560
Speaker 1: and just trying to like rewire how everything works, I

1644
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 1: honestly wonder if it might make him worse, you know,

1645
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:37,639
Speaker 1: because he's so used to one way being the way,

1646
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 1: and now you're seeing all the problems with that one

1647
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 1: way at the end of the run. Not at the

1648
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 1: very end of the run, but you know, as the

1649
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 1: run begins to lose some of its magic, you know,

1650
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 1: just going all the way another direction, b see, you know,

1651
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 1: you might take away what makes it like you might

1652
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 1: do more good than harm or more more harm than

1653
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: good by changing everything up.

1654
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 2: He kind look, it's a joke, but it's true. Kind

1655
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:03,719
Speaker 2: of needs to coach Litry kind of needs a mascot.

1656
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 2: I mean, we'll give coach all Tory some postpartum time

1657
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 2: post you know, post post coital there to recover and

1658
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 2: come back in the corner, Luke.

1659
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 1: After you're a sick man and you need psychological counseling.

1660
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:18,640
Speaker 2: But you know somebody that isn't there so much for strategy,

1661
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 2: but is there for whatever you need to fuel your

1662
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 2: weirdness or your passion or whatever. For Mike Perry, it's

1663
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 2: it's his woman who he worships to be like, you're

1664
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 2: doing great, honey. For other people it's weirdos like Josh

1665
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 2: fabbiare reading your horoscope before you go out for the

1666
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 2: next round. Luke okay, all right, Like everybody need every

1667
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 2: weirdos needs something. Luke Okay. He needs to find his

1668
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 2: own weirdo in.

1669
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 1: There, right that that sounds more right to me than

1670
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:50,640
Speaker 1: just coming in like let's just have structure like the military. No,

1671
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: just trying to do it. At age thirty, seven is

1672
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 1: not gonna work all right at Saint John Underscore ca.

1673
01:16:57,920 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 2: B.

1674
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,560
Speaker 1: See this is from Showtime's boxing. Arballeeda goes down a

1675
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 1: second time, face first, good or bad. Ref stoppage to

1676
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:06,680
Speaker 1: wait for the third knockdown a little late for me.

1677
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, they could have stopped it on that second knockdown

1678
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 2: there and the what is it the ninth or tenth

1679
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 2: round whatever, there's the final round of the fight against

1680
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 2: Chris Colbert. But I think even though the guy went

1681
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 2: face down, there's the old adage, right, the old Showtime

1682
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 2: color commentator, the great Ferdy Pacheco, the Doctor, you still

1683
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 2: always say, if they fall down face first, you don't

1684
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 2: have to count, you know. He famously said that in

1685
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 2: the Maurice Blocker Felix Trinida that fight. But typically when

1686
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 2: they go down face first, because they're not cold, you

1687
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 2: get on face first, but you get back up. It's

1688
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 2: a difference, you know. He read, each referee has a

1689
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 2: different strike zone, but you read the eyes of the guy.

1690
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 2: They now in boxing, of course, make you do the dance,

1691
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 2: you know, walk do basically the dui. You know, read

1692
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 2: the alphabet backwards, walk sideways, walk forward. You're good, You're good.

1693
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I will say this, for how far

1694
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 2: we have come. You want to go back in the

1695
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 2: nineteen fifties and sixties and watch a boxing match, Luke,

1696
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:58,600
Speaker 2: Somebody get a knockdown, the fighter in a lot of

1697
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 2: cases is allowed to stand pretty damn close to where

1698
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 2: the fighter's knocked down, and the second he's back up,

1699
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 2: it restarted and the guy goes. And I'm glad that

1700
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:08,600
Speaker 2: we're so far removed from that, of course, but I

1701
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 2: think we're in a very safe era, for as safe

1702
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 2: as you can make this without ruining it, without making

1703
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 2: it something other than boxing. And I'll still rely for

1704
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:19,759
Speaker 2: the most part, although we have a lot of scabs

1705
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 2: and clowns in this game, I'll still rely on the

1706
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 2: ref to be able to see something in a guy

1707
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:26,719
Speaker 2: and say he's got a chance to turn this around.

1708
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:27,719
Speaker 2: Maybe he saw something.

1709
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:32,680
Speaker 1: Look all right, you love you love old people and

1710
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 1: all the mistakes they make.

1711
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 2: Man, you you've got a boxing sized chip on your shoulder, Luke.

1712
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 2: You hate the fact that you hate all I mean,

1713
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:43,600
Speaker 2: you hate it for all the right reasons, right, I mean,

1714
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 2: those are the reasons.

1715
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 1: I mean.

1716
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 2: I'm an addict. I can't get away from this sport. Luke,

1717
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:49,719
Speaker 2: I get it, okay, thank you okay.

1718
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 1: And then last but not least, BC, this is an

1719
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 1: interesting one from from ANVIC. How likely is it either

1720
01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 1: of you are on someone's list a la Steve busham

1721
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: in Billy Madison, who wants.

1722
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 2: Ah that's the thing in life, Luke, it isn't. Look

1723
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 2: it is a tough juggle because you know, our show

1724
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 2: is a little bit more off the rails than traditional shows, Luke.

1725
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,560
Speaker 2: And as you've found out through the years, you know,

1726
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 2: fighters have very big egos and small you know, like

1727
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 2: they don't take criticism well. In a lot of cases,

1728
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 2: you really are one joke, one sentence away from potentially begin,

1729
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 2: you know, getting sent to hell in a public setting

1730
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 2: by a fighter. But you do try to avoid, Luke,

1731
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 2: creating mortal enemies in this game, right and just you know,

1732
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 2: for the sake of it, just driving the the joke

1733
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 2: or the nail through someone's heart. I hope we don't

1734
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 2: ever have somebody who has a son a list with

1735
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 2: a shotgun and some lipstick playing ELO's telephone line, Luke,

1736
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 2: as they go, glad, I call that guy, but you

1737
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,560
Speaker 2: probably more likely than me, although there aren't seemingly the

1738
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 2: same consistent people who hate me online, you know, but

1739
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 2: I think they're just big fans of you, Luke, and

1740
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 2: traditionalism right and not and conformity and structure and lack

1741
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 2: of fun and just sort of like I want the news,

1742
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 2: give me the news. And maybe those are the people

1743
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:13,639
Speaker 2: that watch on Sundays Luke on your personal channel instead

1744
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 2: of this show. So who am I talking about.

1745
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,679
Speaker 1: You're welcome for posting that, because it's actually boost traffic

1746
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 1: here over the long run. But here's what I'll say.

1747
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 1: I think it takes a little bit of arrogance to

1748
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 1: think that people dislike you that not you. I'm using

1749
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 1: it proverbial with you, to dislike you that much. I

1750
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 1: mean people will hate you and me. Yes, of course

1751
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,640
Speaker 1: that part is true, but so much so that they like,

1752
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 1: really fucking hate us. You know. It always reminds me, like,

1753
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 1: I don't get on Facebook much anymore, but sometimes when

1754
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 1: I do, I'll see people I went to high school with,

1755
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, being like, you know, rise and grind, shake

1756
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 1: off the haters today, And I'm like, bitch, you know

1757
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 1: you are an accountant. You don't have haters. No one

1758
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 1: gives a fuck about you. No one on earth gives

1759
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 1: a fuck. Whether you live or die, you understand that

1760
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 1: you don't have it. You have to be, like, do

1761
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 1: something to have haters in life. You don't have fucking haters,

1762
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 1: So I don't know.

1763
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 2: Look, I'm from a factory town. Some of my Facebook

1764
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 2: friends ex high school with people. They tend to post

1765
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:07,639
Speaker 2: a lot of drama. Look, okay, they.

1766
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 1: Told, that's just having an ordinary life. Haters are when

1767
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 1: you have like a dedicated group of people, a noticeably

1768
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 1: sized group of folks, not just the people in your

1769
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 1: fucking you know, family or town, uh where everyone knows

1770
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 1: everyone else's business, who like, are really into fucking hating you.

1771
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 1: You have to do something for that. Most people like,

1772
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 1: you know, shake the haters off. Bitch, you don't have haters.

1773
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 1: You don't have anything going on in your ordinary ass

1774
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 1: fucking life. I don't know if we have hater.

1775
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 3: Is it.

1776
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 1: I don't really think I have haters. I have the

1777
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 1: people that like. I mean, yes, there's plenty people if

1778
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 1: you want to search around and disagree or dislikes me,

1779
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:43,560
Speaker 1: I mean that, But you he's what I mean? You

1780
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 1: know who has finish? You know who has haters? BC

1781
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 1: like Joe Rogan has haters. You know why, because Joe

1782
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 1: Rogan has an insanely popular podcast, and maybe some of

1783
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 1: those criticisms are right, maybe some of them are wrong.

1784
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 1: He's got haters. You gotta use something to have haters.

1785
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 1: Who else has haters out there?

1786
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 2: Uh?

1787
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 1: Fucking John Jones. John Jones has haters. All right.

1788
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 2: My princess die had a lot of haters.

1789
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, they fucking like you know, she killed her

1790
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 1: over it.

1791
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 2: Basically, I will say if look, if you don't start

1792
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 2: spotting that homeless guy soon, at least for one set,

1793
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 2: you're gonna find a big hater in your life, all right,

1794
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 2: You're gonna find them in your house.

1795
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 1: Brother, Okay, So please, I'm just trying to say you,

1796
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 1: it's not an elitis take. You want to have a

1797
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 1: positive attitude on your Monday mornings, to go out there

1798
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 1: and carp a DM and seize the day. Great, But

1799
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 1: people just like to imagine shit like, oh, it's Tupac

1800
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:38,000
Speaker 1: me against the world. No Tupac had haters. You just

1801
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 1: have neighbors that don't like the fact that you irregularly

1802
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 1: mow your lawn. Those are not fucking haters. Okay.

1803
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 2: The fact you got a big ass squat rack in

1804
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:46,640
Speaker 2: the middle of your yard. Yeah, they're just y.

1805
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 1: I'll say, I have sent BC the pictures. BC. Can

1806
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 1: you describe the front yard gym to the folks?

1807
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 2: It's I mean, it really looks like the prison yard

1808
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:58,600
Speaker 2: where you're allowed like one hour a day to go

1809
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 2: out and play basketball. Yeah, it's goat, dude.

1810
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 1: I gotta replace that wood fence I have with just

1811
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:06,640
Speaker 1: chain link and barbed wire. I gotta do it. I

1812
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 1: gotta get a guy at the tower, a sniper at

1813
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:10,640
Speaker 1: the tower, ready to shoot me anytime I try to

1814
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 1: break free.

1815
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, all right, Well that.

1816
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 1: In mind, let's go to someplace where we can be haters.

1817
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 1: BC happy to the show.

1818
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 2: Actually, this is how we will make people's lists by

1819
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 2: laughing at these videos. Look, we scar with the globe,

1820
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 2: the highs and lows, the in between, the good, the bad,

1821
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:29,679
Speaker 2: the ugly, all that good stuff. It's have you seen

1822
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 2: this ship? Jay? Thanks for jumping. Maybe Jay's upset we

1823
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 2: haven't called on it. Jay? Can we call on you quick?

1824
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:35,599
Speaker 2: To troll the fans?

1825
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 1: Jay?

1826
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 2: What is going on in your wall in the studio there?

1827
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 2: It's like, is that lava? What's happening? Jay?

1828
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot there's a lot. It's Uh, those

1829
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 3: are nano leafs. They're very small right now because I'm

1830
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:48,879
Speaker 3: very small in the frame, but they're great. They make colors.

1831
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 3: I have no haters.

1832
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 1: Oh wait, you don't have it. You have people who

1833
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 1: mock you, but you don't have haters.

1834
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:57,560
Speaker 2: Except for everyone who works with Morning Combat or watches it.

1835
01:23:58,280 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty sure if you check the chat right

1836
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 3: about now, you would be able to pick out five

1837
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 3: or six that.

1838
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 2: Besides them and your ex wife. Jay, You're doing great,

1839
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 2: all right. No, everyone loves you.

1840
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:09,639
Speaker 1: No, she loves me. She gets sorry, Jay, real quickly.

1841
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 1: What do you make of my haters? Thesis like, to

1842
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,559
Speaker 1: really have haters, you have to do something pretty special

1843
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 1: in life. I don't know. There might be people that

1844
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 1: hate you like a lot.

1845
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 3: I get your point, but I think you might be

1846
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 3: under selling how much people might dislike you.

1847
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 1: No, they disliked me. I just don't give a fuck,

1848
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 1: and I don't really pay a lot of attention. Well,

1849
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 1: I'll buy some attention to it, but doesn't mean there's

1850
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:32,560
Speaker 1: a list.

1851
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 2: Jay once, can we expect your new documentary to come out?

1852
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 3: Uh, sometime between now and the time I die, or

1853
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:40,600
Speaker 3: maybe after all right, Well, you had a.

1854
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 2: Good run on top, all right, j thank you very much, good.

1855
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 1: Jay.

1856
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 2: Time to hit the button. Now here we go, Hey,

1857
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 2: let's start off with some UFC two fifty six feels. Luke,

1858
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 2: we we talked up Raphael Physiev as an absolute monster.

1859
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 2: Can we show this four piece with a with a uh,

1860
01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:03,639
Speaker 2: with a muffin and a side of slaw slaw, slow slow, uh, Luke,

1861
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 2: this was nasty. I mean, can you give me the

1862
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:05,960
Speaker 2: breakdown on this?

1863
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:08,720
Speaker 1: This was luck. He goes left to the body, he

1864
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 1: like darts in left to the body, then goes right upstairs,

1865
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 1: and then the left upstairs is delayed. He doesn't go

1866
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 1: boom boom boom. He goes boom boom boom.

1867
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:20,560
Speaker 2: You know, think about it. We see a lot of

1868
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 2: great one punch knockouts and they typically end up in

1869
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 2: this show. You don't see a lot of like that

1870
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 2: four punch combo that that Connor McGregor finished Eddie with,

1871
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:29,640
Speaker 2: and you surely don't see it at a you know,

1872
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 2: quasi elite level.

1873
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 1: This is beauty.

1874
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 2: This is a beauty. There's a piece of artwork right.

1875
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 1: Here, Luke. An he's shorter than all these dogs. You know,

1876
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:39,679
Speaker 1: it's just good to see a guy in the UFC

1877
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 1: who is uh got you know, z's and v's in

1878
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 1: his name, but has a full mustache in his beard.

1879
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. A little diversity there.

1880
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 2: He's also got a bit of style. Can we show

1881
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 2: the hat? I know we showed it earlier on the

1882
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 2: way and pick This is kind of cooler than Habib's.

1883
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 1: Right, Well it's then, aren't these the traditional hats they

1884
01:25:58,000 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 1: wear in winter like? I don't know the name of it,

1885
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:00,760
Speaker 1: but it is school.

1886
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 2: Looks like what the chicks were in and spies like us.

1887
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 2: Great movie from the eighties. By the way, all right,

1888
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:07,640
Speaker 2: I'm all in on the physif hat I would wear it,

1889
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 2: thank you.

1890
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:08,560
Speaker 1: Let's move on.

1891
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 2: Hey, Luke, we mentioned Cubs Swanson and he certainly had

1892
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,639
Speaker 2: an impressive finish. But he's added to his tach game

1893
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 2: over the years. I don't think he gets the love

1894
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 2: that he enjoys. This is one of the better packages

1895
01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 2: in the game, am I right?

1896
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 1: Are you talking about his balls or his tats?

1897
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 2: No? No, his his tats. There's so many there's so

1898
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 2: much bad tat work in this game, all things considered,

1899
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 2: Look at the look at the full man that's pretty solid.

1900
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 1: Right, yeah. I mean the work he's had done subsequent

1901
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 1: to UFC to WC excuse me, is significantly better than

1902
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 1: the work he had done pre UFC. I don't know

1903
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 1: if he goes to TJ. I think TJ gets tattooed

1904
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 1: by that guy Bang Bang. I don't know if he

1905
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 1: goes to him or not, but I'm.

1906
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 2: Gonna go out and a limb and say, Bang Bang

1907
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 2: has done time. Thank you.

1908
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 1: That's right.

1909
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 2: It'srobably where he learned the art. He's a good ass

1910
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 2: that I'm on Bang Bang's list. All right? Well, hey,

1911
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 2: shout out to the body of cub Swanson's work right there.

1912
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 2: It is a wonderland. Hey, Chase Hooper came back Luke

1913
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 2: to open this fight card with a with a really

1914
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 2: big win for his growth. But how about this minari role?

1915
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 1: Is that what it is?

1916
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 2: Or is it a or is that a sushi dish

1917
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:08,720
Speaker 2: to set up the submission?

1918
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:12,639
Speaker 1: It's an minari role? He did press with that. That's beautiful,

1919
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 1: I am, But it's like, you know again, Olavera made

1920
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 1: his debut when he was twenty twenty one, so you know,

1921
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 1: you got to cut the kid a break. But my

1922
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 1: man's got a lot of work to do if he

1923
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,599
Speaker 1: wants to stick around. He's obviously dynamite on the ground,

1924
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:26,560
Speaker 1: and this was amazing, especially because you know he was

1925
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,639
Speaker 1: losing this fight right for the most part, So shouts

1926
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 1: to him. The kid's tough and he's got sick ground skills.

1927
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:34,720
Speaker 1: But you know he's got this. If he doesn't fill

1928
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 1: out the rest of them, you know, not everyone's gonna

1929
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 1: fall for this.

1930
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 2: You know what happens sooner Chase Hooper takes another bad

1931
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:44,760
Speaker 2: l or. Joe Rogan republishes your interview from the JIRI

1932
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:45,799
Speaker 2: podcast on YouTube.

1933
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 1: It's It's all up on Spotify, including the video. You can.

1934
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:50,679
Speaker 1: I checked it out. He had to take it down

1935
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 1: because of some Spotify rules, So the clips are up

1936
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:57,920
Speaker 1: on the JR Eclipse channel and then the full thing

1937
01:27:58,040 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 1: video and audio is up on Spotify.

1938
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 2: Luke, this was a highlight, so nice. I have to

1939
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 2: play it twice. I don't care that we did this

1940
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 2: on Friday, Jay, can you hit it UFC two fifty four.

1941
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 2: I mean, this guy Magamed dropped Mathouse on his damn head, Luke,

1942
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 2: how is he alive? Bro?

1943
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 1: Bro? These guys are made of something different than you.

1944
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 2: And me, man, I mean that's death. That's death. You

1945
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 2: have the video, Jay or just the still? All right,

1946
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 2: just the still. Let's move on. I was gonna say

1947
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:27,679
Speaker 2: he almost got scorpion there, but that wasn't the worst

1948
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 2: scorpion of the week. Luke, did you see this? These

1949
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 2: are not good friends. I mean, who would you rather be,

1950
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 2: Matt Lewis Mathouse or this chick?

1951
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 1: Is this? Where is this? Philly?

1952
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1953
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 1: Bach? Oh god, that was me asking John Jones a

1954
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 1: question at the two fourteen presser.

1955
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 2: Yes, it was, yes, you got this.

1956
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:56,600
Speaker 1: This is UFC staff handing me the microphone. Bach. I

1957
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 1: don't like you, Luke. I'm not gonna answer your question.

1958
01:28:58,280 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 2: Oh okay, right, speaking of scorpions, you can call this

1959
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 2: guy Dwayne the Rock Johnson because he's the new scorpion

1960
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 2: king of the slopes. Luke, this is not gonna end well,

1961
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 2: so get ready.

1962
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 1: Wow my neck, my back? No, no, just my back?

1963
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:21,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah no, no, just my back. I'll never walk again.

1964
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 2: That was a good run though.

1965
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 1: All right.

1966
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 2: Hey, let's go over to Cage Warriors. Check out this

1967
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:31,520
Speaker 2: stupidly insane multi combination punch knockout here from Mihal Figlac.

1968
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:33,560
Speaker 2: Check this body of workout.

1969
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:38,599
Speaker 1: That's not a real name. Give it to him, Give

1970
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 1: it to him.

1971
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean that's even better than the physiv one.

1972
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 2: That's insane.

1973
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:46,719
Speaker 1: He faded him over to the right and then finished

1974
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 1: him off that way.

1975
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 2: That was nice polish power. Wow. All right, hey, let's

1976
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:53,639
Speaker 2: move on to the batting cages. Hey, Louke, good news.

1977
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:56,719
Speaker 2: Three hundred and sixty four more days until hockey tryouts.

1978
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:59,560
Speaker 2: This is why you don't drink in bat if you

1979
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 2: fall out on the line of fire. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no,

1980
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 2: no no, Get young coach Littoria out of there. What's

1981
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 2: going on here, Luke?

1982
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 1: Come on, I gotta tell you though. See here's the thing.

1983
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 1: You know, she's not in like the sixty five mile

1984
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 1: an hour bat engage because the ball has arc to it,

1985
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 1: you know. That's that's what is that? The fifteen, the

1986
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:23,559
Speaker 1: twenty five not that bad.

1987
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 2: That's slow pitch softball.

1988
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 1: Basically is that it's not forty miles an hour? All right?

1989
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:33,680
Speaker 2: Can people hear?

1990
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:35,439
Speaker 1: You have no idea? I have no idea?

1991
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:38,640
Speaker 2: All right? Hey, tip on tip time, Luke. Did you

1992
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:42,680
Speaker 2: see this picture from UFC Middleway champion Israel Atasnia and

1993
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 2: Andre Galvao, Luke, it's a phenomenon, double two handed tip

1994
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:47,400
Speaker 2: to tip.

1995
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 1: It's Andre galvaugh And yes, I said, I saw it

1996
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:53,479
Speaker 1: only because fifty thousand of the viewers sent it to me.

1997
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 1: How could I miss it? Okay?

1998
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:00,400
Speaker 2: Speaking of tip to tip, Luke, who needs a fist

1999
01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:02,680
Speaker 2: bump when you can go dick to dick? What are

2000
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 2: the bills doing here?

2001
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 1: Bro? You know what? Josh Allen's the stud I mean

2002
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 1: they're winning, all right?

2003
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 2: Shout out that. Hey, isn't that Mariel Hajwani's favorite football team?

2004
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:13,240
Speaker 1: You have to ask him.

2005
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 2: You have to ask your Hey, Luke, this got sent

2006
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 2: into a bias by a viewer named Eduardo Reyes on

2007
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:22,720
Speaker 2: Heroes of Gujitsu. Uh, they had a little tip to

2008
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:23,599
Speaker 2: tip moment recently.

2009
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 1: Have no idea what this is, Luke? You which one

2010
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 1: of these two are is you? And which one is me?

2011
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:31,280
Speaker 2: That's got to be me on the right, rugged, you know,

2012
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 2: like intense, You're very you know, serious.

2013
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:34,559
Speaker 1: On the left?

2014
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:35,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's fine.

2015
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 1: All right, Hey, Luke, go when you look in the mirror,

2016
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 1: I'm not sure you see what you're supposed to do,

2017
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:41,120
Speaker 1: But okay, keep going.

2018
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:43,720
Speaker 2: I see what I feel. Look, you know, like it's

2019
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:45,800
Speaker 2: a feeling. It's more of like a feeling fair enough.

2020
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:48,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're wrong about this from BC. I mean, Luke

2021
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 1: is clearly the devil and you're.

2022
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:52,599
Speaker 2: The small Can they hear you call Luke the devil?

2023
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:52,760
Speaker 3: There?

2024
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 1: No, no, no, this this time they could hear. Yeah,

2025
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 1: all right, Hey, let's.

2026
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 2: Go to A C A, M M A and Russia.

2027
01:31:59,000 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 1: Luke.

2028
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:02,839
Speaker 2: If you want to recreate the closing seconds of Holloway lomss,

2029
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 2: don't do it with Levon MAKASHEVILLI good night. Wow.

2030
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:11,760
Speaker 1: These Georgians, bro, they're different. Man, they got lord, these

2031
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 1: fucking guys. I'm telling you, Georgia just all of a

2032
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 1: sudden exploded into Mma. Yeah.

2033
01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:19,640
Speaker 2: I mean look at Wow. Yeah. You can't stand and

2034
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 2: bang with a guy like that. You cannot do it.

2035
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:23,599
Speaker 2: All right, Hey, let's go over to one championship Luke,

2036
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 2: and this following highlight was watched by a world record

2037
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:29,200
Speaker 2: eighty four billion people. Oh my god, that's assault. Brother,

2038
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 2: Did you see that shit?

2039
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:30,639
Speaker 3: Luke?

2040
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Usually that's the that's forbidden in certain tie boxing competitions,

2041
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:38,439
Speaker 1: but like s one allows it, and I guess one

2042
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:41,439
Speaker 1: says you can do that shit too good. Lord jonathan'swel

2043
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:43,720
Speaker 1: that's that twelve to six banger right there.

2044
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think even even Matt Hamill heard that one.

2045
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:50,920
Speaker 2: God wow, all right, Luke. Boxing in Germany on Saturday.

2046
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 2: This man's name is C. W. Roman Press. He scored

2047
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:56,560
Speaker 2: a fourth round knockout to remember.

2048
01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:59,719
Speaker 1: Wow, Luke, that Anthony Joshua uppercut player.

2049
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:03,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's raise a pine of fine hefen Wisen.

2050
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:07,599
Speaker 1: For thatavet Dillian White, fucking night Night lender.

2051
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,640
Speaker 2: Lennox Lewis, Michael Grant. Yeah, that's a beautiful.

2052
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:13,920
Speaker 1: So Arlovsky and Matty Schenko, same punch.

2053
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 2: Aj klitchkow beautiful, beautiful. Speaking of fights in Germany, Luke,

2054
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:20,800
Speaker 2: I need you to focus your eyes this entire video

2055
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:23,719
Speaker 2: on the chick with the red horns and the yellow outfit.

2056
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:27,719
Speaker 2: I've seen the devil, Luke, and it's this chick. Watch

2057
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:30,960
Speaker 2: the ship that she starts. Okay, all right, No one's

2058
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 2: gonna tell her how to dress, where to be, where

2059
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 2: to go. Okay, boyfriend's trying to calm her down. She's

2060
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 2: starting fights. She's drinking too much, right, oh wow, oh

2061
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:48,679
Speaker 2: take some of that. Oh yeah, right, okay. Ferocious people

2062
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:52,679
Speaker 2: are like who brought this chick. She's taken down two guys, Luke,

2063
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 2: But it doesn't end there. Look at her take a

2064
01:33:56,400 --> 01:34:08,880
Speaker 2: bite on a crime right about now? Oh wow, single

2065
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:13,599
Speaker 2: white female, Luke? Yeah? Now does that make you nervous

2066
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:15,120
Speaker 2: or like aroused?

2067
01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:17,840
Speaker 3: Uh?

2068
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 2: A little both? Okay, all right, all right, no word

2069
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:26,240
Speaker 2: yet if she has Latino roots, Luke. But she's fantastic. Okay,

2070
01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:29,400
Speaker 2: she's all yours, uh, Luke. We know that training methods

2071
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 2: differ by country. Can we go over to the Dakistan

2072
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:36,439
Speaker 2: desert here with Zabi Malcolm med Scherapov Luke. He's throwing

2073
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:39,920
Speaker 2: rocks to get uh, and if he runs out, he

2074
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:41,280
Speaker 2: can just pound the sand, Luke.

2075
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:41,519
Speaker 1: Right?

2076
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:43,680
Speaker 2: Is this traditional? What's going on here?

2077
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:45,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, bro, but this dude's gonna be a

2078
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 1: money puncher and or shot putter. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2079
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 2: You know what?

2080
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:54,560
Speaker 1: Sometimes, like the front Yard gym BC, sometimes you just

2081
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:56,080
Speaker 1: gotta take it back to mother Earth. You know what

2082
01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:56,519
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

2083
01:34:57,040 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 2: I hear you about that, Hey, Luke, you always get

2084
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:01,599
Speaker 2: on me from my data references. Well, how about this one?

2085
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:04,799
Speaker 2: Looks like the FAA is finally tracked down dB Cooper

2086
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:08,360
Speaker 2: and Luke. He's not going quietly. They got him cornered.

2087
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:09,920
Speaker 2: Where do you go next, Luke? How do you get

2088
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:10,280
Speaker 2: out of this?

2089
01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 1: Leaking? That cop down there? He's like, I was supposed

2090
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:17,320
Speaker 1: to be off today.

2091
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:19,719
Speaker 2: And all right, he removes the shoes.

2092
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:22,760
Speaker 1: You fucking mongrels just won't let me have a day

2093
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 1: off because you are who you are and I hate

2094
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:29,200
Speaker 1: my life and you know, where's my tail? Like, he's

2095
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 1: bitter than his taser won't reach that far, you know

2096
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:31,599
Speaker 1: what I mean?

2097
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:35,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably not gonna end well. Right, trying to

2098
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:37,360
Speaker 2: climb the edge of the tip of the wing as

2099
01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 2: the authorities are closing in, Luke.

2100
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:41,559
Speaker 1: They're gonna hit this dude like they do. You ever

2101
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:43,960
Speaker 1: seen like those bears that climb trees and then the

2102
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:45,559
Speaker 1: barricade of them. What are you gona do? You're gonna

2103
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:47,840
Speaker 1: reason with the fucking bear. So they just tran gun it.

2104
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:49,799
Speaker 1: They're gonna tranquilize this fucking mongol.

2105
01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 2: Well, this guy's got something in his hand. He's getting closer.

2106
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:54,920
Speaker 2: He's giving him one last chance.

2107
01:35:55,040 --> 01:36:05,560
Speaker 1: Oh, let's take a guess here, what what uh? What

2108
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:06,880
Speaker 1: do you want to say? What was this guy on?

2109
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:08,519
Speaker 1: You know?

2110
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:13,519
Speaker 2: Oh? PC, probably you think so that's that's, that's acid.

2111
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:16,519
Speaker 2: He was subsequently added to the No Fly West Luke,

2112
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 2: but mostly because he will never walk again, all right?

2113
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:22,040
Speaker 2: This past Saturday, Luke Top Rank Boxing in Las Vegas.

2114
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:23,639
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw this co main event,

2115
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:27,800
Speaker 2: but can't we pour one out for Masa Yoshi Nakatani,

2116
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 2: the guy who lost to Teyo Femo in a close decision,

2117
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:34,719
Speaker 2: and Felix Verdejo, the one time stud prospect from Puerto

2118
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:37,080
Speaker 2: Rico for Top Rank Luke. This was supposed to be

2119
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:40,919
Speaker 2: a setup fight for Verdejo to fight Tayo Femo. Verdejo

2120
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:45,920
Speaker 2: knockdown Nakatashi twice, Nakatani and then late in this fight

2121
01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 2: the tables turned. Did you see this dramatic war that

2122
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:50,560
Speaker 2: they put on?

2123
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:52,840
Speaker 1: And you have been shouting it out and some have

2124
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:54,720
Speaker 1: others online, but I never got around to it.

2125
01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:58,240
Speaker 2: Look one of the better fights of this year in boxing.

2126
01:36:58,280 --> 01:36:59,920
Speaker 2: Has been a bad year for boxing, but this is

2127
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 2: uh knock a tiny getting off the canvas twice, scores

2128
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:07,479
Speaker 2: two knockdowns and finishes Verdejo. He hadn't fought Luke since

2129
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:10,080
Speaker 2: the Tao Female fight, that's eighteen months because he had

2130
01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:12,320
Speaker 2: some kind of like broken jaw and a broken orbital

2131
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:14,800
Speaker 2: bone or something. He healed, he got back in it,

2132
01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:17,080
Speaker 2: and he uh he went through the wars. He went

2133
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:20,559
Speaker 2: to the hospital afterwards too, with with a lot of damage.

2134
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:23,400
Speaker 2: That's a man right there. Okay, it's a different breed.

2135
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:24,599
Speaker 2: He's a different breed of person.

2136
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:28,080
Speaker 1: All right, amazing, all right, hey, Luke.

2137
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:30,880
Speaker 2: A lot of people ask me about whether my prep

2138
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:33,240
Speaker 2: for this show has changed now that we do three

2139
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 2: episodes a week, and uh, check out my boy Wang

2140
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:38,439
Speaker 2: Lee Tao. This is how I get ready, Luke. It's

2141
01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:40,640
Speaker 2: called the fine out of logging, you know it.

2142
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:45,799
Speaker 1: This is me having to deal with all your takes.

2143
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:50,000
Speaker 2: Do you think this is how Chasey Lane prepared to

2144
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:50,599
Speaker 2: work with Rock?

2145
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:55,439
Speaker 1: Oh, Luke, Yeah, I mean it's life size, right, It's

2146
01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:57,519
Speaker 1: like yeah, it's.

2147
01:37:57,680 --> 01:38:01,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well there's that, Luke. Okay, hey, Luke,

2148
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:04,200
Speaker 2: people say this, have you seen this as all you know,

2149
01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:07,719
Speaker 2: knockouts and dong picks and us making fun of people.

2150
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:09,600
Speaker 2: Let's have a good moment of the week. Did you

2151
01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:11,519
Speaker 2: see this little piece of business that happen out in

2152
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 2: the open water? A seagull lands on the ship Goose.

2153
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:18,480
Speaker 1: It's a guy that's a pelican, not a seagull.

2154
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 2: Pelican, and he picks him up and looks sometimes like

2155
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:23,360
Speaker 2: the difficult people in our life, they just need a hug. Luke,

2156
01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:24,040
Speaker 2: I'm in on this.

2157
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 1: You that dude's gonna get bird flu and fucking you know,

2158
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:29,519
Speaker 1: cause another pandemic.

2159
01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:32,599
Speaker 2: As long as this is the extent of how much

2160
01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:34,720
Speaker 2: they're gonna touched, Luke, If this is like a good

2161
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:36,840
Speaker 2: moment and this guy's not gonna take this thing home,

2162
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:37,840
Speaker 2: then I'm in on this.

2163
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:39,880
Speaker 1: If you want me to ruin your day, you should

2164
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:43,160
Speaker 1: look on YouTube of the video of the pelican who

2165
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:47,280
Speaker 1: eats a pigeon in front of a kid at the zoo. No, no,

2166
01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:49,640
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right, And you can see pelicans have

2167
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:52,720
Speaker 1: those big ass like jowls, and you can see the

2168
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:55,479
Speaker 1: pigeon flapping in the jowls trying to get free before

2169
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:58,479
Speaker 1: he gets swallowed alive. It's great, uh, Luke.

2170
01:38:58,520 --> 01:39:00,800
Speaker 2: If we have learned anything from this awful segment on

2171
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:03,160
Speaker 2: the show, it is that skateboarding is dangerous and that's

2172
01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:05,320
Speaker 2: why us old white guys don't do it. Let's go

2173
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:08,760
Speaker 2: to the videotape here, Luke, break a leg, sir, Yes,

2174
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:15,800
Speaker 2: fact fact snap snap a leg in half. Look take

2175
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:16,280
Speaker 2: it home with you.

2176
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:20,600
Speaker 1: You know, prosthetics, they've come a long way, but not

2177
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:24,439
Speaker 1: enough to help bad skateboarders. Yeah wow, I like how

2178
01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 1: would box them on the head on the way up.

2179
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:27,880
Speaker 1: It's a reminder about what a fucking idiot he is.

2180
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:31,160
Speaker 2: And in closing this week, Luke, you know all those

2181
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:33,640
Speaker 2: people who say amateur wrestling is boring because there's not

2182
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:36,800
Speaker 2: enough action? Can we move to Asia already? What the

2183
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:37,800
Speaker 2: hell is going on here?

2184
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 1: Luke? Boy? That's they're just hand fighting and club and

2185
01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:45,000
Speaker 1: now they're just fucking swimming. Dude. MMA is the ship.

2186
01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:48,040
Speaker 2: This is why they're so good at MMA in Russia, Luke.

2187
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:50,320
Speaker 2: This is how they come up in the amateur wrestling game.

2188
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 2: I mean, this is great, bro.

2189
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:57,479
Speaker 1: That is a fucking look, that's great. Who says RUSS

2190
01:39:57,520 --> 01:40:00,479
Speaker 1: wrestling is boring? Fuck? These people? Look at them by

2191
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:03,040
Speaker 1: the way you can they're hand tying and they're doing

2192
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:05,519
Speaker 1: what's called clubbing. You know where you can like you

2193
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:07,400
Speaker 1: put a collar tie on, but you do it really

2194
01:40:07,479 --> 01:40:10,000
Speaker 1: fucking hard. It's almost like you're slapping and punching and

2195
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:12,680
Speaker 1: then it just gets carried away. Where are these two

2196
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:15,080
Speaker 1: gentlemen from I'm guessing a place with a low GDP.

2197
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:19,840
Speaker 2: Well, it's at Wrestling Underscore, Russia. So I'm gonna guess Caucus, Luke,

2198
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:21,519
Speaker 2: because that's that's the go to right now. You know,

2199
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:24,080
Speaker 2: they pick live fish out of the water and just

2200
01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 2: take a bite out of it.

2201
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:25,160
Speaker 1: Right.

2202
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:26,680
Speaker 2: These are different people, Okay.

2203
01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:29,599
Speaker 1: Dude, these motherfuckers. They don't play games, bro.

2204
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:34,960
Speaker 2: They're not worrying about wearing masks, okay, hanging all right. Hey,

2205
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:36,560
Speaker 2: that's it, Luke, that's it. You've seen it.

2206
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:39,000
Speaker 1: You've seen it, all right, that's great. That's great. I

2207
01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:41,960
Speaker 1: love that. All right, b C. With that in mind,

2208
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:44,240
Speaker 1: it is time now for odds and ends. What do

2209
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:45,280
Speaker 1: you have for odds and ends?

2210
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? I want to You know, this may have not

2211
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:50,720
Speaker 2: on paper, coming in the Showtime Boxing Card Special Edition

2212
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:52,719
Speaker 2: from Saturday Night, It may not have been star studied.

2213
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:54,800
Speaker 2: But you give a guy an opportunity to the main

2214
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:57,479
Speaker 2: event and he jumps through your screen. That's what Chris

2215
01:40:57,680 --> 01:41:00,840
Speaker 2: Colbert did not. Colbert came in there at one hundred

2216
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:04,360
Speaker 2: thirty pounds, good looking name. This was a headlining opportunity

2217
01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:07,240
Speaker 2: and he delivered. Look, if you want to get people's attention.

2218
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:10,720
Speaker 2: Sometimes you have to have swag. Colbert had that with

2219
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:15,120
Speaker 2: the pink hair. Pink loves ridiculous trunks, but all you

2220
01:41:15,240 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 2: are is ridiculous if you can't back it up. This

2221
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:21,479
Speaker 2: was a thorough performance. He switched stances throughout, He landed

2222
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:24,439
Speaker 2: clean power shots against a real tough guy in our Belita,

2223
01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:26,800
Speaker 2: and when the opportunity was there to finish him in

2224
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:30,200
Speaker 2: round eleven. Three knockdowns, including there's the second one that

2225
01:41:30,240 --> 01:41:33,799
Speaker 2: we debated earlier in which our Blida you found himself

2226
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:36,360
Speaker 2: and got back to it, and then the stoppage shortly

2227
01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:40,200
Speaker 2: after against the ropes. Look, one thirty is a sometimes

2228
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:42,000
Speaker 2: we look at it as an in between division, but

2229
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:45,840
Speaker 2: we know politically in the boxing politics sphere that we

2230
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:48,639
Speaker 2: just saw Tank Davis and Leo Santa Cruz. At one thirty,

2231
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:50,840
Speaker 2: we got Gary Russell Junior who wants to move up.

2232
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:54,839
Speaker 2: And wait, let's add Chris Colbert now to this larger conversation,

2233
01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:57,519
Speaker 2: because here's a guy who wants your attention. And this

2234
01:41:57,760 --> 01:42:01,240
Speaker 2: was spectacular. I mean, this was a great performance on Sat. Yeah, sick,

2235
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:06,320
Speaker 2: I like and Luke and it was so good. Did

2236
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:09,200
Speaker 2: you see the tweet from our guy Stephen a smith

2237
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 2: about it. Luke, Yo, y'all, I just finished watching this kid,

2238
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:15,559
Speaker 2: by the way, Chris Colbert. Let me tell y'all something

2239
01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:21,280
Speaker 2: lightning quick, spectacular boxer, closest thing to Floyd Mayweather I've

2240
01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:24,120
Speaker 2: seen as a talent. Might be too small for Gervante,

2241
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:28,559
Speaker 2: but skill wise can fight with anyone. He's special. Luke,

2242
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:31,160
Speaker 2: I'm only here to say positive things about Chris Colbert.

2243
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:34,120
Speaker 2: I love that victory. I'm not here to go Floyd like,

2244
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:34,720
Speaker 2: what are we doing?

2245
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:35,479
Speaker 1: What are we doing here?

2246
01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:35,760
Speaker 2: Luke?

2247
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:40,400
Speaker 1: Remember when he said Seroni lost because his butt sheets

2248
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:45,000
Speaker 1: got tight and everyone was like, oh, yeah, that sounds

2249
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:47,519
Speaker 1: so true, and I'm like, wow, this is really sad

2250
01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:48,400
Speaker 1: that we're entertaining this.

2251
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:52,000
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, hey, Goodwin though Goodwin, goodnight.

2252
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:54,800
Speaker 1: Steven gets paid very well for bad opinions. That's a great,

2253
01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:58,680
Speaker 1: great hustle, So congrats to him. Uh real quickly, I'll

2254
01:42:58,720 --> 01:43:00,200
Speaker 1: call a bit of an audible. I'll get to what

2255
01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:01,880
Speaker 1: I got to for the producers so they can run

2256
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:03,840
Speaker 1: in just a second. But first two things for odds

2257
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:05,240
Speaker 1: and ends. We didn't get to it Friday, but it

2258
01:43:05,320 --> 01:43:08,160
Speaker 1: deserves to be noted. The judge in the class action case,

2259
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:11,680
Speaker 1: the lawsuit from the fighters against the UFC. He certified

2260
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:13,760
Speaker 1: the class. What does that mean? Well, before it was

2261
01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:16,519
Speaker 1: a bunch of people who were suing. But if this

2262
01:43:16,760 --> 01:43:18,639
Speaker 1: was not certified as a class, they'd have to redo

2263
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:21,479
Speaker 1: the whole thing individually in lawsuits. Now they get to

2264
01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:23,200
Speaker 1: do it as one giant group. And you're asking, well,

2265
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:25,280
Speaker 1: how big is that group? Well, because it takes place,

2266
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:27,840
Speaker 1: the court defines a certain time in which the harms

2267
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:30,280
Speaker 1: were done. It's anyone who fought at a certain date

2268
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:33,880
Speaker 1: in the UFC, we're talking twelve hundred fighters eligible. They

2269
01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:35,680
Speaker 1: can opt out if they want. But it's a big

2270
01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:38,599
Speaker 1: deal because there were two different kinds of certification. There

2271
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:42,080
Speaker 1: was bout certification and there was identity certification or identity class.

2272
01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:45,439
Speaker 1: In bout class, the identity class was about claims related

2273
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:48,400
Speaker 1: to likeness rights and getting money. That way, judge tossed it,

2274
01:43:48,479 --> 01:43:50,919
Speaker 1: but they were only asking for about fifty million in damages.

2275
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:54,400
Speaker 1: It's the BOUT class where that gets certified. They're entitled

2276
01:43:54,439 --> 01:43:58,479
Speaker 1: to potentially potentially billions. Now what might be next. UFC

2277
01:43:58,640 --> 01:44:01,800
Speaker 1: is going to appeal it. If it it's appealed and overturned,

2278
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:04,080
Speaker 1: then the whole thing starts over again. My hunch is

2279
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:05,360
Speaker 1: that it won't overturned.

2280
01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:07,960
Speaker 2: We want to react to Dana's comments, Luke, I'd like

2281
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:09,320
Speaker 2: to hear your take on Dana's.

2282
01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:10,519
Speaker 1: Danner's like, I know nothing about it.

2283
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:14,000
Speaker 2: I was like, he goes, he goes, it's so little

2284
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:16,719
Speaker 2: of a threat. It's not even on my radar, basically,

2285
01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:17,400
Speaker 2: is what he said.

2286
01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:20,120
Speaker 1: Well, in the sense that is it anything imminent he

2287
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:22,840
Speaker 1: needs to get up today and worry about. No, is

2288
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:25,160
Speaker 1: it something he can even like think about in terms

2289
01:44:25,160 --> 01:44:27,760
Speaker 1: of like the law strategy. Like in that sense, I

2290
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:31,080
Speaker 1: understand what he's talking about, because you know, we're talking

2291
01:44:31,120 --> 01:44:34,720
Speaker 1: about like lawyers and economists debating what or what is

2292
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:38,200
Speaker 1: not monopsony. You know, that's not Dana's job, that's not

2293
01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:40,240
Speaker 1: my job, that's not your job. That's for the course

2294
01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:42,840
Speaker 1: to decide, and for the economists to either convince or

2295
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:45,760
Speaker 1: not convince the judges. In that sense, it is very

2296
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:48,400
Speaker 1: removed from his life. Whether or not you want to

2297
01:44:48,439 --> 01:44:50,519
Speaker 1: call it a threat is very different. And in fact,

2298
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:52,799
Speaker 1: here's what's kind of interesting about it. BC. I suspect

2299
01:44:53,320 --> 01:44:55,240
Speaker 1: that if they try to appeal, which they will, and

2300
01:44:55,320 --> 01:44:58,679
Speaker 1: either the Ninth Circuit doesn't hear it or rules against UFC,

2301
01:44:59,240 --> 01:45:01,639
Speaker 1: they are one one thousand percent going to look to settle.

2302
01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:04,200
Speaker 1: And at that point, you know, again, that would still

2303
01:45:04,240 --> 01:45:05,960
Speaker 1: be a function of everyone in the UFC who has

2304
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:08,840
Speaker 1: a role to play there understanding what proper compensation would

2305
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:12,120
Speaker 1: look like. But they're not gonna let this go to trial.

2306
01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:14,439
Speaker 1: There's no way they let this go to trial because

2307
01:45:14,439 --> 01:45:17,240
Speaker 1: if they go to trial and they lose, it could,

2308
01:45:17,439 --> 01:45:21,559
Speaker 1: if not bankrupt them, caused them way more money than

2309
01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:24,559
Speaker 1: settling would. And New York Times had a good article

2310
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:28,360
Speaker 1: about it, saying the way in which they're defining the

2311
01:45:28,439 --> 01:45:31,120
Speaker 1: fighters how they want money, which is wade share. You know,

2312
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:34,720
Speaker 1: no one's really tried a big level monopsony case, if

2313
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:37,800
Speaker 1: not in a long time. It maybe ever, so that

2314
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:40,960
Speaker 1: could have ramifications for other kinds of jobs and other

2315
01:45:41,080 --> 01:45:45,240
Speaker 1: kinds of industries with similar levels of arrangements and how

2316
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:50,559
Speaker 1: and how people are grouped. And you know, good, could

2317
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:54,080
Speaker 1: somebody at Kinko's, for example, sue their bosson claim wade share.

2318
01:45:54,120 --> 01:45:55,880
Speaker 1: There's a lot of different ways in which it has

2319
01:45:56,000 --> 01:46:00,160
Speaker 1: ramifications beyond just fighting. So we'll see what happens. You know,

2320
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:02,000
Speaker 1: a long way to go. So Dan's right in that sense,

2321
01:46:02,040 --> 01:46:03,519
Speaker 1: And again was he gonna be He's gonna argue for

2322
01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:07,120
Speaker 1: anoption he or not just removed from him. But if

2323
01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:11,840
Speaker 1: they lose the appeal on certification, then it becomes a

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Speaker 1: very real thriap. But in news that fight fans care about.

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Speaker 1: We didn't get to the UFC two feety six and

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Speaker 1: the fifth point, but I just wanted to make sure

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Speaker 1: we got it in here before the show closed. How

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Speaker 1: about Gavin Tucker thirty four years old guy lives in

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Speaker 1: a fairly ish remote part of Canada. You know, had

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Speaker 1: a bad loss to Rick Glenn years ago but has

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Speaker 1: really rebounded and man Billy Corntillo is nobody's pushover and

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01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:38,559
Speaker 1: old Gavin Tucker gave him the business for the most part.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't a beatdown, but it was a

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Speaker 1: bit of a schooling BC just showing real high level

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Speaker 1: skills in all the different parts of the game. Remember

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01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:47,960
Speaker 1: we were talking about OLIVERA and I said, you know,

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01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:50,320
Speaker 1: you can have X, Y and Z skills, but it

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean you know how to fight well. Tucker is

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01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:55,559
Speaker 1: a perfect example of this. Yes he's got the composite skills,

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Speaker 1: but being able to blend them and being strategic and

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01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:01,320
Speaker 1: having a mind for it. He did it. He looked

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Speaker 1: awesome for for the Saturday performance that he had.

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Speaker 2: I think that's why sometimes like your physical prime may

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01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:10,720
Speaker 2: be when you're what twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven,

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01:47:10,760 --> 01:47:12,680
Speaker 2: but your real prime as a fighter a lot of

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01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:15,160
Speaker 2: times is in that thirty to thirty two to thirty

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01:47:15,200 --> 01:47:18,000
Speaker 2: three area because the mine catches up with the body

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01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:21,160
Speaker 2: and the experience level and all that. Luke look, Billy

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Speaker 2: Q loves to put pressure on it. He sort of

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01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:25,840
Speaker 2: just closed, you know, all the openings that were there.

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01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:27,840
Speaker 2: Billy Ques thought he'd overwhelmed him like he'd done to

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01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:30,719
Speaker 2: everybody else this year. But uh, well done from Gavin Tucker.

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Speaker 2: A lot of tats, Luke. A lot of tats.

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01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:36,640
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, a lot of tatsuh.

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01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:39,600
Speaker 2: Okay, tits for tats, Luke, okay, tattoo.

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Speaker 1: Toys for tots. We see. You should donate this year.

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01:47:41,439 --> 01:47:43,439
Speaker 1: It's a Marine Corps program. Everyone can get behind that,

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01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:45,640
Speaker 1: right given toys to tickets.

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Speaker 2: Rolling Temper five never die, Luke. Okay, uh okay, Hey,

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Speaker 2: what's on your shirt today? Is that say black zillions?

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01:47:52,280 --> 01:47:53,120
Speaker 2: What are you wearing right there?

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01:47:53,200 --> 01:47:56,559
Speaker 1: Yes, it says black zillions. Uh No, it's civilization tattoo.

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01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:59,679
Speaker 1: It's a place that I've gotten many tattoos over the years,

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01:47:59,720 --> 01:48:01,960
Speaker 1: and I'm actually getting a tattoo coming up here very soon. BC,

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01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:02,479
Speaker 1: how about that?

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01:48:02,680 --> 01:48:03,080
Speaker 2: All right?

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01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:06,200
Speaker 1: All right, we'll get my biggest one. Is gonna get

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01:48:06,200 --> 01:48:10,320
Speaker 1: my biggest one to date. How about that on your arm? Right? Yeah,

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01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:12,680
Speaker 1: I'm all right.

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01:48:13,200 --> 01:48:15,040
Speaker 2: There's a lot of flesh there from all them.

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01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:16,880
Speaker 1: Gains, right, all them games.

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01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:21,759
Speaker 2: Uh, all right, let's let's remind people.

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01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:24,240
Speaker 1: The reminder reminder because BC has to go on a

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01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:26,360
Speaker 1: jet plane. He's leaving us. We don't know when he'll

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01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:29,479
Speaker 1: be back again. But for the time being, we're gonna

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01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:32,519
Speaker 1: do a year end special. And also that involves getting

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01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:35,160
Speaker 1: some questions from you donks for Christmas, which is what

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01:48:35,240 --> 01:48:38,280
Speaker 1: we need. So go to Apple Podcasts. Leave us a

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01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:40,960
Speaker 1: review if you're so inclined, five stars, we'll be thank

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01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:43,200
Speaker 1: you very much. Leave a question in there. We get

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01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:45,120
Speaker 1: enough of those in there, we'll put together a special

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01:48:45,160 --> 01:48:48,360
Speaker 1: episode for you guys. So the content flow. The fire

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01:48:48,439 --> 01:48:50,400
Speaker 1: hose stays open, so you can get as much of

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01:48:50,439 --> 01:48:53,439
Speaker 1: that as you want, So please go do that. Okay, Yeah, I'll.

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01:48:53,240 --> 01:48:56,240
Speaker 2: Be dropping an episode on Christmas filmed before like we

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01:48:56,320 --> 01:48:59,000
Speaker 2: did on Thanksgiving. But you send it, I'll answer it.

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01:48:59,120 --> 01:49:01,679
Speaker 2: That's my deal for you. And then, Luke, we're getting

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01:49:01,720 --> 01:49:05,080
Speaker 2: no so close. I want to tease this a little

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01:49:05,320 --> 01:49:10,559
Speaker 2: episode one hundred. This will be a celebration like UFC

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01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:11,280
Speaker 2: one hundred.

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01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:12,080
Speaker 1: It has to be our.

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01:49:12,479 --> 01:49:15,439
Speaker 2: Highest rated, most downloaded, most pay per view bys of

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01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:18,080
Speaker 2: any episode ever. Luke, we are assembling right now a

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01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:21,879
Speaker 2: guest list that would blow people's minds for a special

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01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:27,160
Speaker 2: episode one hundred. I can't leak the names yet, right

2396
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:29,519
Speaker 2: mostly because we want to make sure they actually want

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01:49:29,560 --> 01:49:32,400
Speaker 2: to be on it. But this is gonna be awesome, Luke. Okay,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be spectacular. We're gonna crack cold ones. We're

2399
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:37,800
Speaker 2: gonna put the future of our jobs on the line

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01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:38,760
Speaker 2: and just be real.

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01:49:38,960 --> 01:49:42,599
Speaker 1: Okay, uh okay, very good. I agree with that. I mean,

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01:49:42,600 --> 01:49:46,519
Speaker 1: I don't want to tease it too much because a

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01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:49,000
Speaker 1: lot of ways it could go. But if it goes

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01:49:49,080 --> 01:49:53,240
Speaker 1: the way we wanted to go, it's gonna be one

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01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:56,080
Speaker 1: of those. All right for Wednesdays fans submissions, we still

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01:49:56,080 --> 01:49:58,080
Speaker 1: have to do social just as Wednesdays, and of course

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01:49:58,160 --> 01:50:01,439
Speaker 1: Dead Wrong Morning Combat at Gen the official email of

2408
01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:03,800
Speaker 1: the show. Hit us up there at any point you want.

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01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:06,639
Speaker 1: We are also on social media more generally, it's Morning

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01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:10,920
Speaker 1: Combat for everything, on Instagram, on YouTube, on Twitter, and

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01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:12,400
Speaker 1: of course if you want to follow BC or I

2412
01:50:12,560 --> 01:50:16,439
Speaker 1: on social media, there are handles as well. Showtime is

2413
01:50:16,479 --> 01:50:18,479
Speaker 1: the label that pays us. If you at CBS Sports.

2414
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:20,519
Speaker 1: If you want to get Showtime for free for thirty days,

2415
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:22,880
Speaker 1: you certainly can go to Showtime dot com. If you

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01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:24,080
Speaker 1: like it, you can keep it. If not, you go

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01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:27,040
Speaker 1: Pound sand and then of course store dot show dot com.

2418
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:29,960
Speaker 1: Be on the lookout for deals coming up soon on merch,

2419
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:32,000
Speaker 1: or you can just buy merch full price. Now we

2420
01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:33,800
Speaker 1: don't get a cut of it either way, so it

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01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:35,680
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter what you do with your money in

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01:50:35,800 --> 01:50:38,599
Speaker 1: that sense. Okay, forget me say let.

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01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:42,640
Speaker 2: Them believe that this goes directly to uh, to your

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01:50:42,720 --> 01:50:44,800
Speaker 2: little one and a boila and uncle peepe like this?

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01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:45,840
Speaker 2: You know, come on at all helps?

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01:50:46,120 --> 01:50:48,920
Speaker 1: Can you stop being Yeah, it's not quite racist because

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01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:51,240
Speaker 1: you don't mean it that way, but you know, when

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01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:54,519
Speaker 1: you're constantly getting the names wrong of people who don't

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01:50:54,560 --> 01:50:58,679
Speaker 1: have languages like you, it's Pepe felipe. Can you say

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01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:01,080
Speaker 1: that nicely. Please, I don't make fun of your relatives.

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01:51:01,120 --> 01:51:02,200
Speaker 1: I want me to start, I can.

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01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:06,400
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there's a lot to make fun of on

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01:51:06,479 --> 01:51:08,320
Speaker 2: this side of the tracks. Luke, Okay, we all we

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01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:10,800
Speaker 2: all breathed in the same factory fumes drank out of

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01:51:10,840 --> 01:51:11,120
Speaker 2: the river.

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01:51:11,160 --> 01:51:15,080
Speaker 1: All right, you know, well, will you stop valorizing this ship.

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01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:18,760
Speaker 1: You're fine, You're okay, your life's good. You make I

2438
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:21,800
Speaker 1: know your checks are you make nice checks? You're good.

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01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:23,320
Speaker 3: Uh.

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01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:24,840
Speaker 1: By the way, tell the folks where you're going so

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01:51:24,920 --> 01:51:26,280
Speaker 1: they know it to be on the lookout and plugging

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01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:27,360
Speaker 1: their DVRs.

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01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:31,679
Speaker 2: Now, yes, please. Thursday night, NBC Sports Network, nine pm Eastern,

2444
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:35,400
Speaker 2: another episode of Ring City USA, a really great up

2445
01:51:35,439 --> 01:51:41,080
Speaker 2: and coming contender boxing series. We've got Charles Cromwell, Charles Cornwell, Sorry,

2446
01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:43,080
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. My name is all over the place right now.

2447
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:46,000
Speaker 2: A rising study's been a showbox a bunch of times.

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01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:50,240
Speaker 2: Will be Charles Conwell. Wow, I'm Brian Crumble here. Sorry,

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01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:52,400
Speaker 2: he'll be there in the main event on Thursday night.

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01:51:52,479 --> 01:51:54,600
Speaker 2: But just a fun series from the parking lot of

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01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:57,519
Speaker 2: the Wildcard Gym. There. We're gonna preview the shows later

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01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:00,040
Speaker 2: this week. I got some big time guests plan and

2453
01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:02,280
Speaker 2: this week as well, so you're gonna be seeing a

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01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:05,400
Speaker 2: lot of me from inside that quarantine Los Angeles hotel

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01:52:05,479 --> 01:52:07,639
Speaker 2: room which I'm not allowed to leave at any point

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01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:11,400
Speaker 2: for five straight days. So that's great. All right, bring

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01:52:11,439 --> 01:52:12,080
Speaker 2: a lot underwear.

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01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:14,559
Speaker 1: Look, I'll be there, okay, all right, Well, enjoy your

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01:52:14,680 --> 01:52:18,920
Speaker 1: eggs in a weird little thingy that you carry them in. There.

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01:52:19,000 --> 01:52:20,360
Speaker 1: You have it. We'll be on the lookout for it.

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01:52:20,439 --> 01:52:22,479
Speaker 1: We will talk to you on Wednesday. Good sir. We've

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01:52:22,520 --> 01:52:24,080
Speaker 1: got some interviews coming this week, so be on the

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01:52:24,120 --> 01:52:26,880
Speaker 1: lookout for those with some A listers. Do buddy, I

2464
01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:29,439
Speaker 1: know what's happening this way, so be on the lookout

2465
01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:31,679
Speaker 1: for it. Thank you guys so much for watching. Thumbs

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01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:34,280
Speaker 1: up hit the subscribe button. We'll see you guys on Wednesday,

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01:52:34,280 --> 01:52:37,320
Speaker 1: and until then, may all of your gains be loyal.