1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Hi, This is Annie, and this is Pridget, and you're 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: listening to stuff mom never told you, and we have 3 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: an update for you today on the Year of the Woman. 4 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: Year of the Woman. It's actually good news this time. 5 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: Oh good. That's always fun. Women are winning big in 6 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: primaries all over the country. I don't know if it's 7 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: too soon to actually declare this the Year of the Woman, 8 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: but it's looking pretty good. Of the ninety two women 9 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: who participated in the eight primaries back in early June, 10 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: at least thirty six of them have emerged victorious. Women 11 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: are likely to be elected as governor for the first 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: time in Iowa and South Dakota, and for the first 13 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: time in nearly five decades in Alabama, according to gender 14 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: Watch two eighteen, a project of the Center for American 15 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: Women in Politics at Rutgers University. Women are also poised 16 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: to make significant progress in house races. Iowa, for example, 17 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: mayle like its first ever congresswoman, and New Mexico mail 18 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: like the country's first Native American congresswoman, Deb Holland. More 19 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: than five women have so far filed to run for 20 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: office and primaries this year, according to the Center for 21 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: American Women in Politics and that number represents a jump 22 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: from most of the women running our Democrats, although one 23 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: third of Republican women running have also won their races. 24 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: And here are just a few. Stacy Abrams won her 25 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: primary for Georgia governor, besting Stacy Evans. If she went, 26 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: she'll be the first black female governor in the United States. Yeah. 27 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: I had another great person to mention this, Alexandra Occacio Cortes. 28 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: So just less than a year ago, the twenty eight 29 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: year old was working at a bar in New York, 30 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: actually above the of OZ Human Rights organization offices, and 31 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: my friend would go there all the time and see her, 32 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: so shout after her working in the bar below of 33 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: OZ um. But she was just twenty eight working in 34 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: a bar, had never run for public office before, and 35 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: she ran and won her primary in New York Sporting District. 36 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: She took down longtime Rep. Joe Crowley, who had not 37 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: had a primary challenger in fourteen years. So that is huge. 38 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: I mean that's a big deal. Yeah, he played a 39 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: Bruce Sperence. He is born to run such an interesting 40 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: he was born to lose. Was just kidding, just kidding. 41 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: She's the first woman of color to run in the district, 42 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: which encompasses parts of Queens and the Bronx, and she 43 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: also won in a landslide. She won fifty seven point 44 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: five percent of the vote, while Crowley had just forty. Yeah, 45 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: she's kind of a rad lady. She's a socialist, and 46 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: she has a super progressive platform, including medicare for all 47 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: and canceling all student debt. And I wanted to include 48 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: her because I think, if you're thinking you want to 49 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: run for office, but you don't have the experience, the money, whatever, 50 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: think about Alex She was working in a bar less 51 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: than a year ago and had no experience running for office, 52 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: and she ran on a real lefty progressive platform and 53 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: she won her primary. Yeah, so she can do it. Yeah, 54 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: you can do It's inspiring stuff. Let's hope that this 55 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: does prove to be the Year of the Women, and 56 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: we have many more stories like this to tell in 57 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: the future, but in the meantime, we thought we'd give 58 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: you this update. And today I am so excited to 59 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: ask a prediction question as we look at the new 60 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: year we're rolling out before us, will especially the election cycle, 61 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: produce another so called Year of the Woman. That's the 62 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: compelling question we want to dare I say unpack today 63 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: and we're gonna be joined by a friend of mine, 64 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: a really awesome guest too, you'll hear from later this episode. 65 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 1: But first, let's talk about what that means. The Year 66 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: of the Woman. What is that? Perhaps you've heard this 67 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: term thrown around and perhaps you know that it refers 68 00:03:54,960 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: to nineteen two women trip hold their numbers in the Senate, 69 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,839 Speaker 1: which sounds awesome until you look at the fact that 70 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: we went from having to senators as women serving out 71 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: of one U S senators to a whopping six and 72 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: actually Barbara Boxer Pennant op ed for USA today that 73 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: kind of looked back almost sheepishly on nine two being 74 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: called the Year of the Woman. I mean, she was 75 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: part of the Year of the Woman in ninety two 76 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,239 Speaker 1: when she and Haanne Feinstein became the first two female 77 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: senators elected for many one state. And yes, she acknowledges 78 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: they triple their numbers in the Senate, but going from 79 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: two to six out of hundred is not exactly something 80 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: to brag about. Looking back on it, she says, calling 81 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: ninety two the Year of the Woman was an overstatement 82 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: and after much hype, everyone focused on other things. I 83 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: can see how you would be really really excited thinking, Yeah, 84 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,799 Speaker 1: we were going to do this, this is our time, 85 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: and then being like, what happened, y'all? I thought this 86 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: was our year? Like we went from a small number 87 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: to another small number, and so of feeling a little 88 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: bit underwhelmed. That's why I really really hope that actually 89 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: will be a resurgence of the Year of the Woman. 90 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: And there's reason to draw a parallel there as well. 91 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: Despite its modesty, the Year of the One in ninety 92 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: two was still historic. And what's interesting in terms of 93 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: looking at the parallels of today is that it followed 94 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: Professor Anita Hill going public with her story of humiliation 95 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: and verbal abuse at the hands of her then boss, 96 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas during his confirmation hearings to become a sitting 97 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: member of our Supreme Court, and looking at movements like 98 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: me too, it does seem like a similar trajectory where 99 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: we are following this wave of women speaking out about 100 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: their experiences with sexual misconducts and men in powerful positions, 101 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: and if you look at the last primary and election cycle, 102 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: it does seem mike a little bit of a hopeful 103 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: moment for a reckoning power. It's like a powder kick. 104 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: And what's interesting is today the hash a me two 105 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: is demonstrating that we are actually listening to and believing 106 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: women who are speaking out about this stuff, as opposed 107 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: to Anita Hill's case, which did lead to the confirmation 108 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: of Clarence Thomas being a member of our Supreme Court, 109 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: almost like the commander in chief of ours that we 110 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 1: have at the moment being ushered into the halls of 111 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: power just by bragging about sexual assault and back into 112 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: the senators who were grilling Professor Hill and really producing 113 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: kind of a character assassination. During the Clarence Thomas trials, 114 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: they prohibited three other women from testifying who would have 115 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: corroborated Anita's story and treated her with disrespect from both 116 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: sides of the aisle. That led to understandable outrage and 117 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: anger on behalf of a lot of women on a country, 118 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: which led to that historic, though modest doubling in. And 119 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: doesn't that feel like the powder keg and the moment 120 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: of reckoning that we're in right now, of righteous anger 121 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: provoking revolution. God, I hope so, because we've been waiting 122 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: for long enough. I'm really hoping this is the moment 123 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: that women all stand up and use our powerful voices, 124 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: and those voices are heard and believed and listened to exactly. Sadly, 125 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: the number of women who have been holding public office 126 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: is held pretty steady in recent years, barely breaking the 127 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: mark even though we represent obviously fifty plus percent of 128 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: the US population. But a lot of experts agree that 129 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: the conditions are ripe for a significant increase in two 130 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen, especially as more politicians are forced to 131 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: step down or retire amid the growing me too movement. 132 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: We've already seen four congressmen announced plans to retire or 133 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: not seek reelection following allegations, and that doesn't even include 134 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: Senator Al Franken, who immediately stepped down whether or not 135 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: he really wanted to write. Yeah, What this really says 136 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:01,559 Speaker 1: to me is something I've been getting on my high 137 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: horse about on the show a lot, which is that 138 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: we need more women and less men to have these 139 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: kinds of things be combated. And I really hope that 140 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: this is the reckoning a moment where more women start saying, hey, 141 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: maybe give us a chance for a while to see 142 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: if we can do a better job of running the stuff, 143 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: because all these men can't seem to keep it in 144 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: their pants long enough to even get the chance to 145 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: a lot of experts are seeing more women throther hat 146 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: into the ring and plan to run for office this 147 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: year than ever before. And it's not just Democrats that 148 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: we're talking about here. First time Republican and Libertarian women 149 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: candidates are also jumping into the mix. In fact, Republicans 150 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: launched an effort back in two thousand twelve that's focused 151 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: on specifically electing more women. It's called the Right Women, 152 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 1: Right Now Program, and since the initiative was started, three 153 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: GOP women have been elected. So we know that the 154 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: numbers are far imbalanced when it comes to women's equal 155 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: representation in this country and looting. On the local level, 156 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: only of state legislators are women. So we want to 157 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: take a closer look at not only how the conditions 158 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: are even better now than they were in ninety two 159 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: for more women to get elected on the local and 160 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: federal level, but some of the organizations behind equipping women 161 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: with the skills to run for public office and win. 162 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: And we're going to talk to our good friend Aaron 163 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: Valarti from Vote Run Lead after this quick break and 164 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsors and We're back and we 165 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: are so excited to be joined by Aaron Valarti, the founder, CEO, 166 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: and executive director of Vote Run Lead, a national nonprofit 167 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: leveraging technology and training to accelerate the number of women 168 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: across the political spectrum in civic and political leadership. Aaron, 169 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us for today's conversation. 170 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: Thank you. So As Bridge and I are looking at eighteen, 171 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: we are asking ourselves, is this going to be another 172 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: Year of the woman? Alaho allah Post, Anita Hill, how 173 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: do you think this year is shaping up in terms 174 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: of the women you're training to run for office and 175 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: get more engaged in politics. I think the Year of 176 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 1: the Woman has a lot of similarities to what we're 177 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: going to see in eighteen, but I think there's some 178 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: unique comparisons that we also need to be aware of. 179 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: One of the first things that happened was that there 180 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: were tons and tons of open seats, meaning that women 181 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: weren't running against incumbents. They were actually running against, you know, 182 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: someone who was also probably running for that seat for 183 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: the first time. So there's a huge advantage there and 184 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: that's something we need to really look at closely in 185 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: our democracy. How many actually open seats are there going 186 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: to be. Now, jerrymandering and redistricting is critically important because 187 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: that has actually made seats really safe. We're in incumbents 188 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 1: are getting reelected over and over again, and an incumbent 189 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: is someone who's just sitting in that seat and as 190 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: eligible to run again. So that's one of the things 191 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: that's a big differentiator is that they're likely aren't going 192 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: to be the same number of open seats. So you 193 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: are beginning to see some serious retirements happen UM, and 194 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: that will help. So you know, I've been kind of 195 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: hilariously doing a national call to men to retire, so 196 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: they can go right ahead and retire. That'd be really great. 197 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: It will really help us with repeat. But in the 198 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: you know a lot of similarities in the sense that 199 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: women are piste off and they're looking around and going, 200 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: how did we get these systems this way in which 201 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: you know, we're not able to get justice, in which 202 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: people are getting away with things that um are slowing down, 203 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: our careers, are keeping us under you know, a thumb. 204 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: And when it comes to public policy, and they're seeing 205 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: power UM and they're looking at politics again in a 206 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: way that says, hey, I can do that, UM, And 207 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: that's I think what saw. So you won't see the 208 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: same jumps which were like doubling and tripling doubling in 209 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: the Senate, but that was only like something like to 210 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: six or eight, right, so you're not going to go 211 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: to forty. UM, so you won't see the same kind 212 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: of percentage jumps, but you will, I think see UM 213 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: a larger increase also in the number of women of 214 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: color who are running for Congress and UM. You know 215 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: that was something that was a positive coming out of 216 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: the elections, was also the number of women of color 217 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,719 Speaker 1: and in Congress and in the Senate. I'm curious, why 218 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: do you think that is. I've been so so excited 219 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: to see more women of color and what feels like 220 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: a more inclusive political climate. Why do you think that is? 221 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: Why do you think that's been part of this moment? 222 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: Two reasons. I think that women of color are stepping 223 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: up in a way that UM. One, the March was 224 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: a very visible, um and honest assessment where the leadership 225 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: of the women's movement like skipped a generation. So we 226 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: went from the sort of you know, glorious dynam era 227 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: to all of a sudden we had women in their 228 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 1: twenties and thirties running this movement, women like Todd of 229 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: the digital team for the March on Washington, the Women's 230 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: March last year, And the generational stuff is huge, Like 231 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: the the younger women just get it in a different way. Um. 232 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: Maybe it's because, you know, we were raised by different moms. 233 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: Maybe it's just culturally we've seen a lot more like 234 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: women and women of color and TV and films. You know, 235 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, there's a lot of reasons for it, 236 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 1: but like we are just coming at this like, yep, 237 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: we got this, trust us, we can do it. Yeah, 238 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: we know it's going to be hard, you know, and 239 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to bring along this like diverse coalition with me. 240 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: So I think there's really something about that generational shift 241 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: where we kind of miss that in like feminist literature 242 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: about young women, and we know this about millennials. You 243 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: we're much we have much more diverse groups of friends, 244 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: were open to you know, more much more open to 245 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: gay marriage before our you know, older counterparts. Um. And 246 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: I think women's organizations are also getting a good kick 247 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: in the butt to say nope, you know you have 248 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 1: I've got to see a diverse board. I've got to 249 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: see a diverse team around inclusion of women of color. 250 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: This cannot be just like one of the things that's 251 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,599 Speaker 1: part of your you know, talking points. It's got to 252 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: be deeply ingrained in your strategy. UM. Groups like the 253 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: Miss Foundation are only funding women of color led organizations 254 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: and it's awesome, UM and it makes for we We 255 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: know this from you know, thirty years of research that 256 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 1: diverse bodies actually make better leadership decisions. And I think 257 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: the women's community is taking that to heart. I love 258 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: that so much, and I just I completely agree. And 259 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: I've been thrilled to see not even just in electoral politics, 260 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: but like you were saying, in the advocacy space, in 261 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: the media space, kind of a willingness to pass the 262 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: mic two younger women, women of color, at trans women. 263 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: I was so so pumped in the last Virginia primary 264 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: Dana Carome the first trans woman to win, Like that 265 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: was a huge, huge thing. And I unders been so 266 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: thrilled to see that this generation a feminist is saying, 267 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: our feminism is inclusive, Our feminism includes women of color, 268 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: Our feminism includes women that have been traditionally marginalized and 269 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: we are going to go forward with a very inclusive 270 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: and diverse coalition and kick some mass I wonder what 271 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: your take is on the Alabama Senate race then, because 272 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: whereas it was exciting to see Roy Moore, basically a 273 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: child molester, accused child molester, go down in a state 274 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: like Alabama despite the full support and endorsement of a 275 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: lot of the Republican infrastructure and are sitting president, but 276 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: when you look at the exit polls, when you look 277 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: at the numbers white women, just like they have supported 278 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, We're very comfortable, frankly supporting a candidate like 279 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: Roy Moore, And had it not been for women of color, 280 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: that's how that election would have shaken out. So I wonder, 281 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: you know, are we going to see in women as 282 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: any kind of a cohesive voting block across racial lines, 283 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: or is it really white women who are still not 284 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: necessarily um voting based on gender issues at all. I 285 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: think that that second part is true, Emily, that you 286 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: have you still have whole generations and whole groups of 287 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: women who do not see power in womanhood and they 288 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: are they see power in partisan politics. They see power 289 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: in their husband's identities, you know, around his economic well 290 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: being um, the attachment to the family UM. And you know, 291 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: as we we do a lot of work in rural communities. 292 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: And the good news is there's a lot of amazing 293 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: feminist women in rural communities and they are doing this 294 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: really quiet social justice work that is just keeping their 295 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: communities together, which is fantastic. The hard part is is 296 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: that there's no feminist dialogue out there without them like 297 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: cutting new ground. Um. And so you are, you have 298 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: these women who are surrounded by and given tons of 299 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: messages that are like, you know, how dare you vote 300 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: for Hillary Clinton? Your You know, I got emails that 301 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: were like my mom can't tell my dad she's voting 302 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: for Hillary Clinton. UM. That you know, it's just and 303 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: so when you do an assessment of your personal power, 304 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: your woman power is not even making top five. Um. 305 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: And so we've got to figure out how we and 306 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: I think the Me Too movement is part of this. 307 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: It's like, how we really make sure that feminism and 308 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: this movement is including those women, although sometimes we want 309 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: to like shake them right in a way that's like 310 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: what's going on? Um? Because once I think we start 311 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: to put some cracks there, you know, you saw which 312 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: was awesome. The head of the Young Republicans, which is 313 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,479 Speaker 1: a woman, she bowed out pretty quickly about not endorsing 314 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 1: roy More and that the you know, she could no 315 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: longer she said that publicly. She went out on Twitter 316 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: for that um And so I'm also really curious about 317 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: what would it take to get some younger Republican women's 318 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: and young Republican women of color. I know we're working 319 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: on this, trying to figure out how they, you know, 320 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: reshape the party from the inside out. So we've got 321 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: to make sure that when we're talking about diversity and 322 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: inter sexual illness of this movement, that we're also you know, 323 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 1: taking a look at some of our conservative sisters and 324 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: saying where can we you know, where can we align 325 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: and where is it that I can help bring you along? 326 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: Because I just think like you will be more powerful 327 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: in this sisterhood. I love it. I love that too. Yeah. 328 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: I would like to think that child molestation I'll be 329 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: like the legend. But in my mind I was like, oh, 330 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: what woman could support this? And I remember watching like 331 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: an interview of all these older women saying things like, oh, 332 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: I would have been thrilled if that was my daughter. Yeah, 333 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I think comes in the craziest like we 334 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: gotta just let them go, Like there's no we're not 335 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: going to get them. You know, there's a certain percentage 336 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: of folks where you like, no, if we firmly disagree 337 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: on you know, predatory child molestation and behavior, so we're 338 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: gonna have to draw the line there. There's probably not 339 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: a lot of room for us to work together. I 340 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: like that as a tactic, knowing where there's not even 341 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,959 Speaker 1: a reason to sort of expend your energy trying to 342 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: flip these people to get them on our side, knowing 343 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: where it's a lost cause, and saying there actually are 344 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: people on the right that we it's worked it to 345 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 1: start building some coalitions and some intersections with but then 346 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: also knowing when that is not gonna happen. That's what 347 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: I love about the work you're doing with Vote, Run, 348 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: Lead Right. You are a nonpartisan organization, is that correct? Yeah? 349 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: And and having trained more than twenty six thousand women 350 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: to run for political office, You've got a huge diverse 351 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: program running in urban and rural parts of our country. 352 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: And I think that's a really important perspective to bring 353 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 1: to this conversation. I want to talk about how you 354 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: teamed up with she should run and Marie Claire tell 355 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: us about the research you did together in serving seven 356 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: and fifty potential women candidates to learn more about what 357 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,479 Speaker 1: they're looking for in reclaiming some of their power in 358 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: in this election cycle. What was really fun when when 359 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: Reclaire approached vote re lead and she should run on 360 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 1: why women you know, why millennial women want to run 361 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: for office? Is? Um what really actually ran a bunch 362 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: of Twitter ads to make sure that we were getting 363 00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: outside of our you know, email lists of women who um, 364 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: you know might already be inclined to run. So close 365 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: to half of the women or I think it's a 366 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 1: little more than half of the women were thinking about 367 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,959 Speaker 1: running before before the November sixteen election, So there was 368 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: this sort of like inspiration they were thinking about it. 369 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: It was on their mind. Um, they strongly believe that 370 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: more women, that there is a gendered component to leadership, 371 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: that more women make a difference. Um, you know, they're 372 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: they're pretty evenly split around like the motivation, like some 373 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: have been asked to run by others, but they just 374 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: don't like the direction that the country is going in 375 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: and they totally like overwhelming it was close, like just 376 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: hands down field that women are not treated well in 377 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: public life, so they know they're stepping into an environment 378 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: where they're not going to get a fair shake, you know. 379 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: But what I thought was probably the most interesting of 380 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 1: this was money. Of them said, what's kind of the 381 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: biggest factor for you? Like are you tackling issues? You know? 382 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: Are you concerned about what your platform might be? And 383 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: they said fifty percent of them want to know how 384 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: to make a living, which is something that vote rerun 385 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: LYAD knows a lot about we where we target a 386 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: lot of low income communities and make sure that you know, 387 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 1: not just a long racial and ethnic lines, but that 388 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: we're making sure that folks can run for office. You know, 389 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: I don't have to be millionaires to do it, um, 390 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: And that's you know, how do I make a living? 391 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: How do I talk to my boss? You know, I 392 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: can't use this campaign finance money for putting food on 393 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: the table, But I've got to leave my job every 394 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: day at three o'clock to go door knock or to 395 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: you know, stand outside the subway at five when rush 396 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: hour starts. So really figuring that out, um, about how 397 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: we do this and incorporating this into our really busy lives. 398 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: So that was one of the more interesting findings for 399 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: me coming out of the Reclaire um and I'm so 400 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: glad to see me Reclaire and Cosmopolitan and in style, 401 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: like all these magazines getting political, which is awesome. We'll 402 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: hear more from Aaron after this quick break Edward back, 403 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: Let's get right back to Aaron. I remember reading somewhere 404 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: that when Trump took office, and I know that y'all 405 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: are a bipartisan organization, but when Trump took office, that 406 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: it didn't matter if you were a fashion magazine or 407 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: a food magazine. All of those things were political now, 408 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: and that we really owe it to ourselves as folks 409 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: and the media to acknowledge that and say it doesn't 410 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: matter if you know, you are a food writer, now 411 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 1: you're a politics writer. And I also think it's important 412 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: to acknowledge something that we talked about in our episode 413 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: around teen Vogue is that women's magazines have really always 414 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: lead the way in fierce political report ng. And it's 415 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: not just now that women's magazines are embracing it, but 416 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: women's magazines have always sort of been at the forefront 417 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: of intersections of you know, not just fashion, glamour, entertainment, 418 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: but real hard hitting journalism around politics and you know, activism. 419 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: I agree, and I think we're seeing things where it 420 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: used to show up in the style section actually showing 421 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: up on the front page. Um. And that shift. You know, 422 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 1: even though half of the men who have been you know, 423 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 1: the major players and covering the presidential election turned out 424 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: to all be part of the problem me to perpetrators. 425 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: Right still, and there's some remarkable women wanted being Rebecca 426 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: Tracer with New York Magazine, who is just writing the 427 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: hardest hitting stuff. I really love her um analysis where 428 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: she's really connecting the dots around UM, people sort of 429 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: coming out and speaking out with a public voice. Um, 430 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: why more women are running for office? You know, the 431 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: connections of all of this around power and that when 432 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: there's a sense of powerlessness, um, you you have nothing 433 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: else to lose. And so yep, I'm going to speak publicly. Yep, 434 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna you know, share with thirty million followers that 435 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: I too was sexually harassed or assaulted. UM. And yes, 436 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: I've decided to run for office, even though this is 437 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: something I never thought I would do in my career. 438 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 1: It really comes back to owning the power in the 439 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: in women's voices and the and just sort of the 440 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: ability to speak up because people did. People weren't really 441 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: doing that before, right, Like if you if these if 442 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: you had these stories, you maybe didn't feel like you 443 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: could come forward and people that I think in I 444 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: think it's all connected the idea that women are feeling like, 445 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: you know what, I can run for office, I can 446 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: make a change, and feeling empowered in that way. It's 447 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: connected to this whole me too thing. Women are saying, 448 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: you know what, I've got a story to hell and 449 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell it and people are gonna listen. 450 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: I think they're all interconnected with this idea that women 451 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 1: are finding their voices and finding their power and speaking 452 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: up and we're being listened to and being heard, and 453 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 1: we're taking what's ours in a way that we haven't 454 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: in the past. And especially true to me is this 455 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: difference between how Anita Hill was treated leading up to 456 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: with that trial against Clarence Thomas. Right, Anita Hill was 457 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: cast aside. Quite frankly, she was not treated fairly, and 458 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: that was the beginning of sexual assault in the workplace 459 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: in the political domain, being put on the national stage, 460 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: and yeah, it led to a year of the Woman, 461 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 1: but those numbers were easy to double because they were 462 00:24:54,400 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: so low. So I wonder given the very powerful difference 463 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: in the public response to women's stories and women sharing 464 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: the reality of the persistent climate of harassment and assault 465 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: that women have to deal with, now that we're actually 466 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: being taken seriously and not cast aside, do you feel 467 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: like we're going to see major differences. Do you feel 468 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: like more women are running because they feel like, hey, 469 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: they have nothing to lose, or be that they're more 470 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: likely to be listened to now than ever before. A 471 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: few things one, more women are definitely going to run, 472 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: but that's also means that more women are going to lose. 473 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 1: So what we have to remember is that these in 474 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: these crowded primaries, we have to make sure that we're 475 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 1: not just giving the nomination in a particularly democratic primary 476 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 1: to some pro aggressive right. So when there's two or 477 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: three really qualified women, Um, I'm thinking of this woman 478 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: Linda Webber in New Jersey who's running, who definitely had 479 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: a crowded primary. I'm not sure people about out since 480 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: I last talk to her, But you know, these young 481 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 1: I worked on the Obama campaign, I came back home. 482 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 1: I want to run for office. Crap. Meanwhile, like you know, 483 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: thirty year residents, small business owner, feminist, like definitely most 484 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: qualified person. And then what we see is the local 485 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: parties saying I'm gonna like I'm gonna wait out the primary. 486 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: That's we need to hold the parties accountable to that 487 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 1: when they are qualified women in a crowded primary. So 488 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: that's one of the things we can do before like 489 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: November elections come up. Um, I think the number of 490 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: donations going to women candidates is going to rise. I 491 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: would you know, I love me some Emily's List, but 492 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 1: I would be definitely putting that money directly to candidates 493 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: because you know, emilss Lis is also an old dog, 494 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: been around a long time, and they're going to take 495 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 1: safer bets, and so we have to really be looking 496 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: at long shot candidates and directly contributing to their campaigns. Um, 497 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: And they've been a little slow around some talented women 498 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: of color where you know, I think they're going to 499 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 1: get better in twenty with putting the money there. So 500 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: if we're smart about um, you know, finding folks, you know, 501 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: states that we care about and making sure that we're 502 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: directly donating to those women. UM. But I think where 503 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: you're going to see huge surge and where vote rerunly 504 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: does specializes is local and state office. I think you're 505 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: gonna see state legislatures have you know, three or four 506 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: maybe six percentage point bumps and the number of women 507 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: who are in those legislatures. UM. I think you're going 508 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: to see more women's commissions in the fifty states, or 509 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: you know, bipartisan commissions. At the state legislative level. I 510 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: think you're going to see more women lead state legislatures 511 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: as you know, majority leader or as Speaker of the 512 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: state House. And that's where you actually get to then 513 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: look at policy and a state like Colorado that has 514 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: something close to fifty women in the legislature. One of 515 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: our alumni is actually the Speaker of the House. Um, 516 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: young Latino lawyer, super dynamics, you should run for higher 517 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: office soon. That's where you see things like paid equity 518 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: getting past. That's where you see you know, this ten 519 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: point legislative plans that are good for women and families. 520 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: Because there's a tipping point when you see more women 521 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: at the local level, and that's where we're going to 522 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: get to innovate. So I would also encourage folks to 523 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: look at who's running for your state, ledge who's running 524 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 1: for your city council, and making sure that you're giving 525 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: them the ten bucks you donations too. I love it. 526 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: So let's say you have a listener out there who 527 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: is listening she's so fed up how things are going 528 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: down in her community, she wants to run for office. 529 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: What would you tell her? Sure, one, go to vote 530 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 1: Run Lead dot org. The UM we have something called 531 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: the ninety Day Challenge, which if you've never been in 532 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: politics before, or even if you have a little bit 533 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 1: of you know, civic experience. The ninety Challenge was written 534 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,479 Speaker 1: by local elected officials and the Vote Run Lead Network, 535 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: and it gives you thirty actions to take in ninety days. 536 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: So it's like getting out and meeting your community, having 537 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: a conversation with um you know, political people, starting your 538 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: own Twitter account, coming researching what your top issues are, 539 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: and if you can tackle like two thirds of that list, 540 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: you are going to build your political capital within your 541 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: community by you know, letting folks know you're interested in running. 542 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: Or you can also write an email that says I'm 543 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: interested in public service. Can I have a coffee with you. 544 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: So it's a it's a roadmap for I r L 545 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: like politics is in real life. So this ninety challenge 546 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: is free on our website if you don't know what 547 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: you're going to run for yet, We've got also more 548 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: local elected to talking about what office should I run for? 549 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: So if this is what I care about, these are 550 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: the issues that are important to me, where do those 551 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: issues get legislated? You know, it might be that you 552 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: want to be on a commission and get an appointment 553 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: because of your you know, you're looking at your life 554 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: and you're kind of busy, um, and you can't make 555 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: it back and forth to the capital, you know, whatever 556 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: it may be. So we've got to think about two 557 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: workshops that are free online, What office should I run for? 558 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: And the nine D D Challenge that are great for 559 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: people who want to just get their brain moving and say, okay, 560 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about running and thinking about running. Um, if 561 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: you know you're running and you want to runeen, we've 562 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: got like campaign plans for running in ten that maps 563 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: out of timeline for you. You know, what's a campaign 564 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: finance plan, which is kind of the thing that trips 565 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: up a lot of folks. That's where this legal stuff happens. 566 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: So both of those resources are also available, and everything's 567 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: up boat really dot org, backslash learn awesome. And you've 568 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: got an event coming up this month, right in on 569 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: the anniversary of the Women's March. Am I remembering that correctly? 570 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: That's right January. We're going to be in New York 571 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: City with hopefully a couple hundred women and just that 572 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: for women who want to run as well as women 573 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: who want to support other women. And we're gonna be 574 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: talking about sex, politics and power and this connection between 575 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: the mood to movement and political participation, and um, hopefully 576 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: Senator Gillibrand will be there, Rebecca Treyster will be there. 577 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: Um and you know, just giving folks after the probably 578 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: very cold march. Yeah, giving folks. You know, come have 579 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: a glass of wine, some hot chocolate, get warm, get 580 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: some food, and get connected to other remarkable women in 581 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: your network. You know, this reminds me a lot of 582 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: my time as a community organizer working on behalf of 583 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: the Obama administration back in two thousand nine. After really 584 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: being trained by Obama's campaign and getting some training from 585 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: martial gans, we were able to and really equipped with 586 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: the skills to create power structures, to create power structures 587 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: and community organizations that would outlast us. And one of 588 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: the things I will remember the most about my time 589 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: about two years I spent organizing across the state of 590 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: Rhode Island is that when I left, some of my 591 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: neighborhood team leaders women mind you, ran for office on 592 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: the local level and one upsetting an incumbent Democrat in 593 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: the process, and one of my other neighborhood team leaders 594 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: ran her campaign. And there is nothing like that ripple 595 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: effect of seeing women in male dominated spaces harnessing their power, 596 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: growing their power and influence, and making that connection between 597 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: the issues that they want to make progress on and 598 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: their ability to grow their power and be a part 599 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: of that change. So I'm so excited and so motivated 600 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: to hear of all the work that Vote Run Leader 601 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: is doing on the local level, especially UM and I 602 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: can attest to the resources you provide UM as being 603 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: some of the best that's out there. So thanks for 604 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: the work you're doing on this front, er, and it's awesome, 605 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, And I want to let you 606 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: guys in on a little secret. It's not that hard 607 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: to run prop I used to say that the talent 608 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: pool is shallow. Yeah, and there's the reality, right like 609 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: amateur Hour. If you don't show up, if if if 610 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: the right people don't show up, someone will Totally. That 611 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: reminds me. One of my favorite stories out of the 612 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: last election cycle was the story of a woman who's 613 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: elected official had made a joke about the women's march 614 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: and he said something like, oh, are they walking to 615 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: make me a sandwich? Or these women can sure you 616 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: used a walk to lose some weight, and that that 617 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: one joke angered her so much that she ran against 618 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: him and one so these stories of the small little 619 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: thing where you know, it's just that one crystallizing moment 620 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: where you're like, I'm gonna unset maybe you could. Yeah, 621 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, Actually, Bennett from Jersey right exactly. 622 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: So such a that was my favorite story of That's 623 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: one of the best stories. It really is so good. Well, 624 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. You both are 625 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: doing awesome work and I'm really excited to be part 626 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: of this podcast. Thank you so much, Aaron. And for 627 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: folks who want to keep up with your Twitter feed, 628 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: where might they find you on the twitters at Aaron 629 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: Ballardi and at Vote Rerun Lead, we are so fired 630 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: up and ready to run basically or at least ready 631 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: to donate to your campaign's mindy listener, if you're running 632 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: for office in your community this year, there is good 633 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: reason to be optimistic, to be fired up, and to 634 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: make this the year of the Woman, and perhaps the 635 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: year of you the woman, to run for office or 636 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: support your local girl gang and doing so. I actually 637 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: want to close this out. In the words of Barbara 638 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: Boxer herself, who's since retired from the Senate, but pen 639 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: this excellent op ed for USA Today in comparing two 640 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: thousand eighteen to the nine to iteration of the Year 641 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: of the Woman. Here's what she writes, quote, So why 642 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: am I hopeful that this time may be different? Because 643 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: it feels different, mainly because the majority of Americans believe 644 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: the victims the Senate race in Alabama were Democrats, Republicans 645 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: and independent voters said no to an accused molester sent 646 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,439 Speaker 1: shock waves through the body politic. The firing of many 647 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: private sector powerful men in the news and entertainment industries 648 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: is more proof. The resignation of politicians is even more proof. 649 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,879 Speaker 1: She goes on to say it is time to end 650 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: this epidemic that has been hurting people for far too long. 651 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: We can do this. As Martin Luther King Jr. Said 652 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty three, the ultimate measure of a man 653 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, 654 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,439 Speaker 1: but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy. 655 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 1: And this is one of those times. Two thousand and eighteen, 656 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: we have a choice to make as a country. We 657 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: have a choice as women in this country as to 658 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: whether we can tolerate sitting on the sidelines one more time. 659 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if any of y'all have buyer's remorse 660 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: after last election cycle, but I certainly do. And I 661 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: want to be a more active member of my community, 662 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: whether it's getting out and organizing and knocking on way 663 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: more doors, donating to campaigns of local women who are running, 664 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: or running myself someday. Who knows, But I want to 665 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 1: see this community get out vote at a minimum, or 666 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 1: really make sure that women are being elected in the 667 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 1: highest offices of the land and are very backyard local 668 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: offices too. I couldn't agree more. I hope that somebody 669 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: out there listening is called to action because we need y'all. 670 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,839 Speaker 1: If anyone's ever told you you know you should run 671 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 1: for office, I hope that this really speaks to you 672 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: and makes you think, yeah, maybe I should, because just 673 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: like Aaron said, maybe it turns out it's a lot 674 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,280 Speaker 1: more easy than you might be thinking. Maybe there's actually 675 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: tool kids and support for you out there. And if 676 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 1: you're thinking that way, we really want to hear from you. 677 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: Let us know. Will you be running for office? Have 678 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: you always wanted to run for office? Is there a 679 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: woman in your life that you wish would run for 680 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,760 Speaker 1: office because you'd make a really good public office holder. 681 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: Let us know on Instagram at stuff I've Never Told You, 682 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 1: on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast, or a good old 683 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,479 Speaker 1: fashioned email at mom stuff at how stuff works dot 684 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: com